Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm
Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky listener. Discretion is advised sitting
Speaker 1: at the end of a long, tree lined driveway. The
Speaker 1: White Hill Mansion in Fieldsborough, New Jersey has always held secrets.
Speaker 1: During the American Revolution, the home concealed colonial troops from
Speaker 1: British and German forces. Later, political leaders use tucked away
Speaker 1: upstairs spaces for clandestine rendezvous. The attic once held a bordello,
Speaker 1: and when one of the owners was arrested for bootlegging
Speaker 1: during Prohibition, officials found more than one thousand gallons of
Speaker 1: liquor hidden on the property. Today, the secrets of the
Speaker 1: White Hill Mansion are different. They come from darkened corners
Speaker 1: where voices call out when no one is there. They
Speaker 1: shuffle up the stairs at night, in visible footsteps on
Speaker 1: empty staircases. They even come from above the studding sounds
Speaker 1: from higher floors that some have described as reminiscent of
Speaker 1: a body being dragged across a floor. I'm Amy Bruney,
Speaker 1: and this is Haunted Road. In seventeen twenty two, Robert
Speaker 1: Field purchased three hundred acres of land in Whitehill, a Borough,
Speaker 1: near Trenton, New Jersey. Almost twenty years later, he built
Speaker 1: a Georgian style home on the property, the beginnings of
Speaker 1: the White Hill Mansion that sits there today. Field's son,
Speaker 1: Robert Field the second, inherited the property in seventeen fifty seven.
Speaker 1: A prominent lawyer, Robert the second expanded the home and
Speaker 1: established more businesses on the property, not only a farm
Speaker 1: and orchard, but also a fishery and distillery. Robert and
Speaker 1: his wife Mary Peel Field had seven children, although only
Speaker 1: three Lydia, Mary and Robert lived to see adulthood. As
Speaker 1: the businesses prospered, Robert's profile grew in the community. In
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy four, he was appointed to the Committee of
Speaker 1: Correspondence of New Jersey, which was attempting to get American
Speaker 1: representation in the British Parliament. Field even wrote some of
Speaker 1: their material himself. On the night of January twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy five, Robert Field the second drowned in the
Speaker 1: nearby Delaware River under very mysterious circumstances. It's believed that
Speaker 1: the boat was being rowed by a British sympathizer, either
Speaker 1: a spy for King George or a loyalist. The boat'smen
Speaker 1: allegedly hit Robert in the head with an oar, knocking
Speaker 1: him unconscious, and threw him in the river. Some have
Speaker 1: speculated that Field had discovered that the man was a
Speaker 1: spy and was planning to turn him in. According to
Speaker 1: a contemporary newspaper report in Dunlap and Claypool's American Daily Advertiser,
Speaker 1: Robert was going in a canoe on board his shallop
Speaker 1: when he unfortunately fell over and was drowned. He had
Speaker 1: only his companion with him, whose threw over the paddle
Speaker 1: to him, but mister Field sunk immediately. By this untimely accident,
Speaker 1: his relations, friends and neighbors have lost a worthy and
Speaker 1: agreeable companion. The Fields were slave owners, so it's likely
Speaker 1: that the man in the boat was enslaved by him.
Speaker 1: According to a family genealogy reported through the National Register
Speaker 1: of Historic Places, his death has always been involved in mystery.
Speaker 1: He was going down to Philadelphia from his home at
Speaker 1: Whitehill on a sloop. He left the sloop for a
Speaker 1: few hours during a calm and went on shore to
Speaker 1: call on a pioneer. When the wind arose at twelve
Speaker 1: o'clock at night, the captain sent a rowboat for him,
Speaker 1: attended by one man. When the boat reached the sloop,
Speaker 1: he was missing and was never heard from again, although
Speaker 1: every effort was made to recover his body. Mary peel
Speaker 1: Field was five months pregnant with their seventh child at
Speaker 1: the time of Robert's death. The following year, in seventeen
Speaker 1: seventy six, Mary had a notable dinner guest, the American
Speaker 1: Navy's Captain Tom Houston. This led to her neighbors reporting
Speaker 1: her as a colonial sympathizer. Shortly after, the British Army
Speaker 1: searched the home for colonial soldiers. Some historians believe that
Speaker 1: she was hiding them, likely in the house's attic or basement,
Speaker 1: but none were ever discovered. To aid in his efforts
Speaker 1: to maintain control of the American colonies, King George enlisted
Speaker 1: military support from principalities around what would later become the
Speaker 1: unified country of Germany. About half the soldiers for hire
Speaker 1: came from the hess Castle regions, so in America the
Speaker 1: troops became known as the Hessian Army. On December twelfth,
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six, the Hessian Armies Captain Rendon made Whitehill
Speaker 1: Mansion his temporary headquarters, but despite her likely alignment with
Speaker 1: the other side, Mary maintained a level of civility with
Speaker 1: the Hessians during this time. She was visited several times
Speaker 1: by Hessian Colonel Carl von Donlop, who wrote an ensuring
Speaker 1: the protection of the field property during the war. Von
Speaker 1: Dunlop's safeguards meant that, according to the National Registry of
Speaker 1: Historic Places, although many houses in the area surrounding Whitehill
Speaker 1: were ravaged, the farms stripped of their crops and their
Speaker 1: outbuildings disassembled and carried off as firewood, Whitehill was spared.
Speaker 1: According to Loretta Kelly, a long time preservationist at the mansion,
Speaker 1: a lot of the houses along the river were burned down,
Speaker 1: but whoever showed up at Mary's door was her best friend.
Speaker 1: She knew how to play both ends against the middle.
Speaker 1: After American troops defeated the Hessian forces during the holiday season,
Speaker 1: most notably the victory at Tritton when Washington crossed the Delaware,
Speaker 1: Captain Rendon left the mansion. In seventeen seventy eight, British
Speaker 1: troops occupied the mansion while they searched for commodore John
Speaker 1: Berry of the US Navy, who had been staying there
Speaker 1: at the time. In seventeen seventy nine, Mary peel Field
Speaker 1: married Commodore Thomas Reid of the Pennsylvania Navy, who made
Speaker 1: Whitehill his head county seat. The same year, she helped
Speaker 1: Commodore John Berry evade capture by British forces. In the
Speaker 1: following decade, Mary's mother and husband died in the mansion,
Speaker 1: and she signed ownership over to her son, Robert Field
Speaker 1: the third and his wife, Abigail. Abigail two had a
Speaker 1: strong connection to American independence. Her father, Richard Stockton, was
Speaker 1: a signer of the Declaration of Independence from what was
Speaker 1: then the New Jersey Colony, and he also helped to
Speaker 1: establish Princeton University. Robert third and Abigail had six children.
Speaker 1: It was this Field Hare who created Whitehill Mansion as
Speaker 1: it is today, connecting the buildings on the property to
Speaker 1: create a single two story structure. The home is brick
Speaker 1: with white trim, with three chimneys rising from the roof.
Speaker 1: If you visit today you can see the precise places
Speaker 1: this happened inside the home. Abigail's mother, Annis died in
Speaker 1: the home in eighteen oh one. Robert lost the home
Speaker 1: in eighteen o four when up for sale due to
Speaker 1: his squandering of the family's money on entertainment and expensive possessions,
Speaker 1: according to the mansion's history. Two years later, Abigail's brother
Speaker 1: Richard bought Whitehill to help the Field save face. He
Speaker 1: allowed Robert and Abigail to stay in the house, where
Speaker 1: they would live until his death in eighteen fifty. The
Speaker 1: borough of Whitehill was officially renamed Fieldsborough after the Field family.
Speaker 1: After Robert and Abigail died, the home went through many
Speaker 1: owners and many different uses. David Bruce Senior bought Whitehill
Speaker 1: Mansion in eighteen twenty one. His son, David Bruce Junior,
Speaker 1: invented a new type casting machine in the attic of
Speaker 1: the house and new typefaces, including a version of Today's
Speaker 1: Times Roman. In the late eighteen hundreds, potter and saramacist
Speaker 1: Joseph Mayer lived in the home and built a kill
Speaker 1: in the basement. He invented several new pottery techniques while
Speaker 1: living at Whitehill Mansion. In eighteen ninety five, industrialist Joseph
Speaker 1: Crossley purchased the mansion. His son, Archibald, born in eighteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven, would be the last baby to be born
Speaker 1: in the home. Archibald Crossley would go on to be
Speaker 1: one of the developers of the political Opinion poll. This
Speaker 1: is when the history of White Hill Mansion starts to
Speaker 1: get really mysterious. When the Crossleys moved out in nineteen eleven,
Speaker 1: they sold the house to a woman named Susannah Graham
Speaker 1: for the sum of one dollar, but there are no
Speaker 1: historical records of who Graham was. The house was subsequently
Speaker 1: abandoned and squatters moved in. During this time, the mansion
Speaker 1: became a bordello, with sliding doors built to conceal secret
Speaker 1: stairways and the attics sectioned off into several rooms. In
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, Heinrich and Katrina glenk purchased the property,
Speaker 1: turning the space into an upscale German restaurant, which became
Speaker 1: a favorite among political and distinguished guests. As the mansion's
Speaker 1: history describes it, over the years, the establishment went by
Speaker 1: several names, including the Mansion, Glank's Mansion House, and the
Speaker 1: White Hill Mansion Restaurant. In the tradition of Mary peel
Speaker 1: Field's neutrality, the Glanks hosted both Republican and Democratic politicians.
Speaker 1: Although it was a favorite hangout of the gop. According
Speaker 1: to their grandson, John, my grandmother was a Republican and
Speaker 1: a Democrat, depending on who was in the restaurant. Even
Speaker 1: after the wars were over, the mansion continued to be
Speaker 1: the site of important moments in American history. The building
Speaker 1: of the New Jersey Turnpike and Interstate two ninety five
Speaker 1: was supposedly negotiated by politicians while at the Mansion House.
Speaker 1: During Prohibition, the restaurant continued to serve alcohol, with the
Speaker 1: Glanks adding a bar to the basement of the home
Speaker 1: by digging out an additional two feet of depth in
Speaker 1: the cellar floor. Heinrich was allegedly a bootlegger. He was
Speaker 1: arrested for this in nineteen twenty four, but it's unclear
Speaker 1: whether he served jail time. According to the National Register
Speaker 1: of Historic Places, the charges read seized one thousand gallons
Speaker 1: of liquor. Large quantities of beer, wine, and whiskey were
Speaker 1: found at various places along the Delaware. Heinrich likely used
Speaker 1: a tunnel in the basement of the home, which leads
Speaker 1: down to the river, to smuggle his contraband in and out.
Speaker 1: It's unproven but suspected that the restaurant had mob tied
Speaker 1: during this period. It's also said that local politicians would
Speaker 1: use upstairs rooms to meet their mistresses. By this point,
Speaker 1: Meryfield's former bedroom had been converted into a private dining
Speaker 1: room where guests could ring a buzzer when they wanted service.
Speaker 1: Heinrich died in nineteen fifty two, but the restaurants stayed
Speaker 1: in the family until nineteen seventy two, when Katrina sold it. Eventually,
Speaker 1: White Hill Mansion found its way into the hands of
Speaker 1: the Steppin Chemical Company, which has a plant adjacent to
Speaker 1: the property. It bought the mansion and its surrounding seven
Speaker 1: acres with the aim of turning it into corporate offices,
Speaker 1: but abandoned the project due to cost. For almost a decade,
Speaker 1: the home sat abandoned and neglected until the Borough of
Speaker 1: Fieldsboro bought the mansion in nineteen ninety nine. Preservation efforts
Speaker 1: began in two thousand and four, and the home is
Speaker 1: listed as a state registered Historic Place in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: It's now run by the Friends of Whitehill Mansion, which
Speaker 1: offer historic tours and is renovating the rundown property. Although
Speaker 1: Whitehill Mansion has seen better days in some ways, it's
Speaker 1: still as grand as it was in its heyday. It
Speaker 1: sits on a bluff high above the Delaware River, surrounded
Speaker 1: by trees. Walking through the mansion, it's easy to see
Speaker 1: all the phases of its history. There's the speakeasy basement
Speaker 1: and the bordello attic, but there is more than that,
Speaker 1: especially in its blend of architectural styles. The original mid
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds building was erected in the Georgian style, and
Speaker 1: that brickwork is still very evident today, But late eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds editions were made in the Greek Revival and Queen
Speaker 1: Anne Shingle styles, adding dormers to the roof, ironwork, and
Speaker 1: other Gothic details. The most modern portion of the building
Speaker 1: is a single story dining room with a flat roof
Speaker 1: added around nineteen sixty. Once you make your way down
Speaker 1: the long driveway and through the trees, you'll first encounter
Speaker 1: a covered porch built in the early twentieth century, which
Speaker 1: protects the nineteenth century main entry to the house. Walk inside,
Speaker 1: and you'll be greeted by a central hall with an
Speaker 1: ornate circa eighteen ninety six staircase. The first floor features
Speaker 1: the circa seventeen sixty parlor, two other sitting rooms, the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties dining room with a wall of windows overlooking
Speaker 1: the delaware, and the kitchen rooms. The second floor features
Speaker 1: multiple bedrooms, the nursery, several bathrooms, and another kitchen. The
Speaker 1: original primary bedroom was cut up during the restaurant era
Speaker 1: to additionally accommodate a lady's room and a coat room.
Speaker 1: In addition to the main access to the attic, a
Speaker 1: hidden staircase from one of the bathrooms provides access to
Speaker 1: the bordello rooms Upstairs. The attic is divided into a
Speaker 1: number of rooms, including a living room and a bedroom
Speaker 1: used by members of the glenk family, and two small
Speaker 1: rooms probably used by the bordello. The basement of the
Speaker 1: mansion was constructed in several stages in the seventeen hundreds
Speaker 1: and eighteen hundreds. It still features the Prohibition era bar,
Speaker 1: with green carpeting and wood paneling over the original stone walls.
Speaker 1: Archaeological excavations in twenty eleven and twenty thirteen revealed the
Speaker 1: remains of the original seventeen twenty two home and evidence
Speaker 1: of a collapsed tunnel leading from the house to the river.
Speaker 1: The tunnels would have been used to get supplies from
Speaker 1: the river and to access the ferry there, as the
Speaker 1: home is on a forty foot bluff above the water.
Speaker 1: They were also likely where Mary Peel Fields directed Colonial
Speaker 1: soldiers to hide during the Revolutionary War. That the tunnels
Speaker 1: may have also been used as part of the underground railroad.
Speaker 1: The digs also revealed Native American artifacts from Illnape Winter
Speaker 1: settlement in pre colonial days and eighteenth century items used
Speaker 1: by the Field family. There are remnants of the past
Speaker 1: that are easy to find, and then there are the
Speaker 1: ghosts of the mansion's past lives that people report experiencing
Speaker 1: in different, decidedly more spooky ways. Reports of hauntings at
Speaker 1: White Hill Mansion date to when the building operated as
Speaker 1: a restaurant. In Passport to the Paranormal, Rich Newman writes
Speaker 1: that patrons began to hear ghostly footsteps, see objects moving
Speaker 1: around in the dining room, and even see shadowy figures
Speaker 1: scooting around the restaurant. Lights in the mansion are said
Speaker 1: to turn on and off without cause, and tour guides
Speaker 1: in the mansion have described the feeling of being watched
Speaker 1: when no one is around. They also report unexplained noises
Speaker 1: of what some say are invisible footsteps on the stairs
Speaker 1: at night, and of heavy objects, perhaps even a body
Speaker 1: being dragged across the floor in the attic. Some believe
Speaker 1: that the spirit of a woman who was involved in
Speaker 1: sex work, possibly against her will, is present in the
Speaker 1: attic as well. Disembodied voices and sounds have been reported
Speaker 1: throughout the house, including the claim of one investigator who
Speaker 1: says he heard the voice of a woman asking him
Speaker 1: to introduce himself. The apparition of an unknown man has
Speaker 1: also been reported on one of the house's staircases. The
Speaker 1: sounds of children playing have been heard in what was
Speaker 1: once the nursery. On one paranormal television show, investigators claim
Speaker 1: to have seen a quickly moving childlike apparition flying around
Speaker 1: corners and between floors. This is said by some to
Speaker 1: be the ghosts of Samuel Field, Mary's son who died
Speaker 1: in childhood. Those who lived and worked in the home
Speaker 1: make frequent appearances in paranormal investigations, some saying they've heard
Speaker 1: the voice of Heinrich Glank coming from the attic. Others
Speaker 1: claim to have made contact with a talkative ghost believed
Speaker 1: to be a former servant on the property. Thomas Reid,
Speaker 1: Mary Peelfield's second husband, has been heard on EVPs. Mary
Speaker 1: herself seated at a desk and writing a letter has
Speaker 1: been reported in the parlor on the first floor of
Speaker 1: the mansion, and women and children sometimes report the sensation
Speaker 1: of having their hands touched or grabbed in that room.
Speaker 1: Garden State ghost hunters report that the ghost of a
Speaker 1: woman named Dolly, who was married at the mansion and
Speaker 1: still wears her wedding dress, is present on the property.
Speaker 1: This may be the Glenk's daughter, Magdalena Dolly Billingham, who
Speaker 1: lived and worked at the establishment for many years and
Speaker 1: was photographed in the mansion in her wedding dress in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six. Dolly lived in some of the attic
Speaker 1: rooms believed to have been a bordello. A tub in
Speaker 1: the second floor bathroom, which some call the Bloody Bathroom
Speaker 1: or the Bloody Bathtub, is said to be haunted. People
Speaker 1: who climb into the bathtub blind it hard to climb out,
Speaker 1: saying that it feels as if a weight is holding
Speaker 1: them down. It's alleged that a man either committed suicide
Speaker 1: or had his throat slit in it, but there's no
Speaker 1: evidence of a murder or suicide on the property. According
Speaker 1: to a Princeton Info article written by Suzanne van Dongen,
Speaker 1: people who are really sensitive and or psychic have come
Speaker 1: in this room and said that bathtub is full of blood.
Speaker 1: It's possible the bloody Bathroom moniker stems from the red
Speaker 1: trim on the walls of the room and the story
Speaker 1: was created from there. The basement bar is said to
Speaker 1: be home to poltergeist activity. Items will suddenly move on
Speaker 1: their own, either sliding across the bar or being thrown.
Speaker 1: Don Reicherd of the Friends of the White Hill Mansion
Speaker 1: claims to have had a plastic vase thrown at her,
Speaker 1: nearly hitting her in the head. In the basement, one
Speaker 1: tour guide had the experience of her necklace suddenly snapping,
Speaker 1: sending beads flying while she was behind the bar. The
Speaker 1: spirit there is said to dislike it when anyone comes
Speaker 1: behind the bar. Another antidy he's said to be present
Speaker 1: in the basement is, as Dana Nwkirk described it for
Speaker 1: Week and Weird, a featureless shadow man, as one paranormal
Speaker 1: group describes it. Supposedly, if you stay near the basement
Speaker 1: long enough, a dark figure may creep into your personal
Speaker 1: space before slinking back down to the depths of the basement.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a very pleasant space, right, Well, don't take
Speaker 1: my word for it, because up next we do have
Speaker 1: Don Reikerd of Friends of the White Hill Mansion joining us,
Speaker 1: and she's ready to share what she knows of the
Speaker 1: paranormal activity in the mansion. And there's a lot to
Speaker 1: go over that is coming up after the break. All right.
Speaker 1: I am currently joined by Don Reikerd, who is the
Speaker 1: president of the Friends of the White Hill Mansion. And correct, Don,
Speaker 1: that is correct, So thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 1: I have been to the mansion in one time. I
Speaker 1: was there for a couple of nights, though, so I
Speaker 1: have seen it in person. It looks like it should
Speaker 1: be very very haunted, you know, as soon as you
Speaker 1: kind of pull up. It is a very ominous looking building.
Speaker 1: But the history is just fascinating. So I can see
Speaker 1: why you guys are working so tirelessly to make sure
Speaker 1: that it is saved in some form.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. It's a lot of work, but it's
Speaker 2: a liberal of love.
Speaker 1: I can imagine. It's the history. To me, it's probably
Speaker 1: one of the more historic historically diverse mansions I have
Speaker 1: investigated because so much has gone on there and also
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of paranormal activity as well. So for you,
Speaker 1: how long have you been involved with the mansion.
Speaker 2: I first came across the mansion in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 2: I became a volunteer not long afterwards. But the first
Speaker 2: time I was there, I actually experienced paranormi life activity.
Speaker 2: So between that and the history and just the challenge
Speaker 2: of historical renovations, that was that I was hooked between
Speaker 2: those three things.
Speaker 1: So I like that. You know, many times someone would
Speaker 1: experience something paranormal and say, you know, peace out, you know,
Speaker 1: but in your case, that was one of the things
Speaker 1: that got you more interested. What was that first experience?
Speaker 2: My very first one was on the main stairway. I
Speaker 2: was walking up there and I heard a female voice.
Speaker 2: It sounded like French to me, And when I asked
Speaker 2: the historian at the time, she told me that mary
Speaker 2: Field spoke English and French, and when the Hessians occupied
Speaker 2: her house, they spoke German and French. So the only
Speaker 2: form of communication during that time period was of course French.
Speaker 2: So I found that very interesting.
Speaker 1: That is really interesting. Have you brought in people who
Speaker 1: speak French to see if that gets a reaction from
Speaker 1: the spirits.
Speaker 2: We actually have not. I started studying French about six
Speaker 2: months ago, so I am hoping to try my new
Speaker 2: skills at the house at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time to time to get into that Rosetta
Speaker 1: Stone program or whatever. You uh, you know, I've found
Speaker 1: a few times over the years that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: people ask us all the time why you go into
Speaker 1: a place speaking English when you know that the spirits
Speaker 1: potentially spoke another language. You know, some people theorize that
Speaker 1: there is this idea of universal consciousness where spirits can
Speaker 1: somehow communicate in different languages when they pass on. But
Speaker 1: other times it seems like we need to bring in
Speaker 1: an interpreter. So I know we've done that a few
Speaker 1: times over the years. We've brought in Spanish interpreters, We've
Speaker 1: brought in We've brought it a Polish speaking person a
Speaker 1: few times on cases, and it does work. So I'd
Speaker 1: be curious to know what happens. So, yeah, you had
Speaker 1: that first experience, and what what else do people encounter there? Like,
Speaker 1: what would you say are the more kind of regular
Speaker 1: occurrences that happen.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I think with any place it tends
Speaker 2: to fluctuate. But the most common art experiences in the basement.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't have any actual historic proof that
Speaker 2: there was mob activity in the house, but anytime you
Speaker 2: have an illegal undertaking, say like running illegal liquor, there's
Speaker 2: a good chance that you might have mob activity around it.
Speaker 2: And it definitely seems like if you've ever communicated with
Speaker 2: the spirit's done in the basement, it does seem like
Speaker 2: there's a connection there. And that's one of the more
Speaker 2: common interactions is down there. And of course there's a
Speaker 2: little child on the second floor that many people have
Speaker 2: heard running up and down the hallway. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that basement, now that's the area. It's like it's
Speaker 1: a bar right downstairs. Yeah, so I do remember that.
Speaker 1: And if there was ever a prohibition area looking or
Speaker 1: era looking bar, that is it. Yes, you go down
Speaker 1: there and you can almost see, you know, mobsters like
Speaker 1: gathering around tables down there and playing cards. It just
Speaker 1: it looks so like the stereotypical kind of hideout, and
Speaker 1: it does feel that way too. It feels kind of
Speaker 1: oppressive down there, a little bit like it doesn't feel completely.
Speaker 1: You don't feel completely at ease in that area. And
Speaker 1: you know, I went down there by myself a few times,
Speaker 1: just helping to set up equipment, and every time I
Speaker 1: found myself kind of rushing to get out of there.
Speaker 1: Is that common?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Do you feel like you're being launched? Oh?
Speaker 1: Totally, absolutely, And especially when I was alone, And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm when I'm investigating, I'm one of those people where
Speaker 1: I try to really pay attention to the feelings I'm having.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that I'm psychic, but I do
Speaker 1: think I'm pretty empathetic or you know, I think I
Speaker 1: can feel other people's emotions, just like someone standing in
Speaker 1: front of me. And every time I went down there
Speaker 1: by myself, I was very quick to vacate the area.
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, it's very common. He's threatened me a few times,
Speaker 2: so I've gotten into the habit of not going down
Speaker 2: there by myself. But if the most dominant spirit down there,
Speaker 2: if he's in the mood to do something, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if there's ten people down there or one, He's
Speaker 2: going to do what he does.
Speaker 1: So did what do you say he threatened you? What
Speaker 1: does he do.
Speaker 2: The first experience I had was when I had run
Speaker 2: downstairs to get a screwdriver behind the bar, and when
Speaker 2: I had run down there, I leaned over to open
Speaker 2: up the drawer and a vase that was on the
Speaker 2: counter hit the wall next to me. So I didn't
Speaker 2: actually see it fly in the air, but I did
Speaker 2: see it just mess my head and we tried to
Speaker 2: debunk it as many ways as we can. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if you remember that bar, but there's lips
Speaker 2: on both sides of the bar, yes, so it's kind
Speaker 2: of hard even if jump up and down to get
Speaker 2: it to fall over. So how it flew across the room,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. But I was given a tour in
Speaker 2: front of fifteen people were in a necklace and I
Speaker 2: could feel pressure on the back of my neck while
Speaker 2: I was talking, and I just ignore it. If I'm
Speaker 2: having paranormal activity, well, given a tour, I ignore it
Speaker 2: because I don't want people to think I'm making it
Speaker 2: up as for a better experience. And then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the necklace broke and the beads went flying everywhere,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to stay calm and just keep talking.
Speaker 2: And of course the tour was like, excuse me, lady,
Speaker 2: what just happened there? So it doesn't matter who I'm with.
Speaker 2: If it happens, it just happens. And very recently, I
Speaker 2: was down there for a meeting. So I was with
Speaker 2: other people and I was sitting in one of the
Speaker 2: chairs at the table and I got hit on the
Speaker 2: top of the head so hard I thought the ceiling
Speaker 2: fell on my head.
Speaker 1: Oh no, See, that's disturbing type of act, Like there's
Speaker 1: clearly something or someone down there who does not appreciate
Speaker 1: your presence. I don't know if this is, you know,
Speaker 1: someone who who doesn't like women in particular, or does
Speaker 1: this person pick on anyone of any gender.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a guest, I have a friend with channels.
Speaker 2: So I was so curious about this, we'll say gentleman.
Speaker 2: And I was actually lucky enough to interview him twice,
Speaker 2: believe it or not. And yeah, it's basically me. He
Speaker 2: doesn't like me, and the reason was he said that
Speaker 2: I have come closest to his secret, which is really intriguing.
Speaker 1: Okay, and so we're not quite sure who this gentleman is.
Speaker 1: Do you have any ideas as you ever said a
Speaker 1: name or anything he has it was.
Speaker 2: Kind of like I promised I wouldn't tell anyone. It's
Speaker 2: up to him if he wants to tell people. But
Speaker 2: it was like like a Jimmy the Nose kind of name.
Speaker 1: Okay, and now have you been? I mean, obviously this
Speaker 1: is what's always interesting in these kind of locations, like
Speaker 1: there's not records of a lot of folks.
Speaker 2: Right, and especially out of that era.
Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, I'm assuming you haven't found any records of
Speaker 1: this name matching someone.
Speaker 2: No, not, we haven't had any success. He did tell
Speaker 2: us that he was from Wichita, and he doesn't like
Speaker 2: being there, and he's very angry about being there. So
Speaker 2: I don't know why he stays. He just kind of grumbles.
Speaker 2: And I said, one time I asked him a question,
Speaker 2: he told me to shut up or he'd smash a
Speaker 2: bottle over my head.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, he sounds like a very pleasant fellow.
Speaker 2: Yes. And what's very interesting is I was given a
Speaker 2: tour at one time, and I had a gentleman who
Speaker 2: was about eighty years old, seventy eighty, and he said, well,
Speaker 2: he was a kid, his grandfather used to take him
Speaker 2: fishing on the Delaware River. And his grandfather pointing it
Speaker 2: up to the house and said, see that house, they
Speaker 2: used to shine high people there in the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if that's true, but that's really
Speaker 2: disturbing if it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that kind of activity. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: we always theorize that spirits like that are staying behind
Speaker 1: for some sort of reason. You know, it's usually some
Speaker 1: sort of unfinished business. I talk about this a lot,
Speaker 1: but you know, people always like, why don't you cross
Speaker 1: them over? And a lot of times these folks don't
Speaker 1: want to move on, or they can't move on until
Speaker 1: they figure out their own kind of issues. He doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like someone anyone would really want to help per se,
Speaker 1: you know, and so he's probably not going to be
Speaker 1: able to figure this out anytime soon, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: But it's so interesting that those are the experiences you
Speaker 1: have done there, because I felt that so strongly in
Speaker 1: that area. And I'm assuming these happened day or night.
Speaker 2: Correct, Oh, correct, Yeah, doesn't matter what time you're there.
Speaker 2: When it happens, it happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And now have you ever had any people that
Speaker 1: come in for like a tour or anything who go
Speaker 1: in that area and decide they are done, like they've
Speaker 1: had to leave or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Not usually done a tour because if you've been down there,
Speaker 2: it's kind of a cool area. So if it is
Speaker 2: light hearted, especially if he's not there, it's actually a
Speaker 2: light hearted kind of space. But I have had people
Speaker 2: on the second floor not even finish the tour and leave.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, And now why do you think that is?
Speaker 1: Is that? Did they see something? Is it a feeling?
Speaker 2: Well, a couple times it was a voice. So at
Speaker 2: one point we were in the area. Do you remember
Speaker 2: where Adam heard the music? Yes on the episode in
Speaker 2: that area, and I was talking and I just said,
Speaker 2: you know, we suspect that there was a servant in
Speaker 2: this area. And apparently the servant answered and said, yes,
Speaker 2: he was there, And when the tour heard it, they said, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're done.
Speaker 1: That was enough. Disembodied voices are very strange because they
Speaker 1: come out of literally they come out thin air. They
Speaker 1: you can hear and detect them from where a mouth
Speaker 1: would be if someone were to be standing right in
Speaker 1: front of you talking, and it just makes the hair
Speaker 1: on the back of your neck stand up because your body,
Speaker 1: your being knows there's something very unnatural about that. So
Speaker 1: I could see an entire tour group just being like,
Speaker 1: we're done here, thank you. I was lovely.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you never forget your first disembodied voice.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'd still to this day, Disembodied voices and
Speaker 1: being touched are to types of paranormal activity that I
Speaker 1: really just they're not my favorite. You know, sometimes people
Speaker 1: get very excited when these things happen, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: disembodied voices just really creep me out, Like I am
Speaker 1: thankful when they happen, and I do you know, I
Speaker 1: take stock in them during the investigation, but if they're
Speaker 1: like right in front of me, it's a lot. I
Speaker 1: get a little shake And still to this day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to hang out there a lot
Speaker 2: because it's it's extremely common. I don't know why, but
Speaker 2: it's very common just to hear voices. Right. My husband
Speaker 2: was My husband was there last week and he was
Speaker 2: doing some work down in the basement. He said he
Speaker 2: heard so much talking he actually stopped and walked up
Speaker 2: the stairs to look around to see who was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've heard that's kind of an experience people
Speaker 1: have there where they'll hear just people kind of going
Speaker 1: about their business on other floors or in other rooms,
Speaker 1: and they might think that it's an actual living person,
Speaker 1: but they go to investigate and the space is empty.
Speaker 1: So is that common.
Speaker 2: I've heard it a few times where I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was dinner conversation, because of course it was
Speaker 2: a restaurant for over fifty years, but it just sounds
Speaker 2: like murmuring. You can't really make out what's being said.
Speaker 2: It's like a conversation a couple of rooms over. I've
Speaker 2: even talked to the police department who have been there
Speaker 2: on occasions, who have investigated, you know, sounds coming from
Speaker 2: another room and haven't been able to find them.
Speaker 1: Now, do I am I remembering correctly that the police
Speaker 1: have been called there because of activity a few times
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yes, as a matter.
Speaker 2: Of fact, I think it was last year. I was
Speaker 2: talking to the police, the chief of police, and they
Speaker 2: were doing a surveillance and he said that he saw
Speaker 2: a light on in one of the windows. He said,
Speaker 2: we were going to go in and investigate, but we figured
Speaker 2: you just up the lamp on and I don't have
Speaker 2: a lamp near any of the windows, So I said
Speaker 2: which window? He pointed up to the third floor, and
Speaker 2: I said, there's no electricity on the third floor, and
Speaker 2: he said to me, because I'm never going to that house.
Speaker 2: But we've been called there, you know. Sometimes we have
Speaker 2: break ins and a lot of times the police will
Speaker 2: just hang out. I'm like, do you want me to
Speaker 2: go first? You have the guns, you want me to
Speaker 2: go first. And that's kind of common because I think
Speaker 2: they have been called there before in the past, and
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's too comfortable going in there by themselves.
Speaker 1: No. I mean, I always find stories from law enforcement
Speaker 1: to be fascinating because they they always have some they
Speaker 1: have some pretty wild experiences that they're not always really
Speaker 1: comfortable sharing with the public, but they'll tell me, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll come to events and things, and I feel like
Speaker 1: I do remember that. I think even when we were
Speaker 1: there filming, the police stopped by a few times.
Speaker 2: They do. They're very wonderful and keep an our eye
Speaker 2: in the house for us.
Speaker 1: That's great. I mean, I think you need that too.
Speaker 1: I mean that community aspect to protect that place, because
Speaker 1: like I said, when you roll up on it, it
Speaker 1: does look abandoned, and so if you didn't know better,
Speaker 1: you'd think you could just kind of you know, Jimmy
Speaker 1: open that back door or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been done before. I think there's been break
Speaker 2: ins in every side of that house. Unfortunately, sometimes they
Speaker 2: destroy stuff. And now that we have cameras, alarm system
Speaker 2: and lights, it's helped a lot. That's all times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see kids hanging out and we'll just set the
Speaker 2: alarm off just to keep on moving on their way.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean that's a big thing too, once you
Speaker 1: find out if place is haunted, or it kind of
Speaker 1: gets out there that it's haunted. And not that I
Speaker 1: did this, I actually I absolutely did. But as a teenager,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of daring involved, and kids
Speaker 1: get ideas in their heads and they want to get
Speaker 1: into these places. They don't really think it through. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: there weren't as many cameras and things as when I
Speaker 1: was a kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure, I'm sure most of the break
Speaker 2: ins were just kids just trying to have an experience.
Speaker 2: And right, you know, I've even seen kids hanging out
Speaker 2: and said listen, I'll give you a tour if you
Speaker 2: want to see what it's like.
Speaker 1: That's a really good tactic, honestly, you know, just kind
Speaker 1: of let them in to see it and kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, get their curiosity fulfilled so they don't try
Speaker 1: to break into it later. Now, okay, so we've talked
Speaker 1: about tours and talked about your husband's recent experience. What
Speaker 1: would you say is maybe kind of the more I mean,
Speaker 1: you've obviously had some pretty extreme things happen, but what
Speaker 1: are some of the more kind of extreme stories that
Speaker 1: have come out of the mansion that you've heard over
Speaker 1: the years as far as paranormal activity.
Speaker 2: Well, the newest thing is sightings of the Crawley thing
Speaker 2: up in the attic.
Speaker 1: Oh, one of those.
Speaker 2: Yes, I I've never had the pleasure think that, yess.
Speaker 2: But there have been a couple of people that have
Speaker 2: seen like a shadow crawling across the floor in the
Speaker 2: one road. Luckily never while they're in the room. Usually
Speaker 2: when they're in across the hall looking into the room,
Speaker 2: they'll see something moving in there. So, yes, I've never
Speaker 2: had the pleasure.
Speaker 1: You know. I will say, and I've said this before
Speaker 1: on the show, that some of these places, for some reason,
Speaker 1: when they start to be investigated more, these crawlers start appearing.
Speaker 1: That's what they call them as crawlers. They're not usually
Speaker 1: a phenomenon that you see in locations that are not
Speaker 1: investigated on the regular And yeah, and we kind of
Speaker 1: theorize that they are this almost embodiment of the energy
Speaker 1: that investigators and people coming in to ghost hunt create
Speaker 1: because they come into a location over and over again,
Speaker 1: you know, and they walk in there. Sometimes they're nervous,
Speaker 1: sometimes they're excited. They talk about the kind of deaths
Speaker 1: that have happened there over and over again, and there's
Speaker 1: just something about that energy. And just as these years
Speaker 1: have gone by, more and more of these are appearing.
Speaker 1: And like, I could be completely off base here as
Speaker 1: to where they're coming from, but they're not something that
Speaker 1: people report when they first start investigating a place. They
Speaker 1: kind of come like form over time. And so it's
Speaker 1: definitely something I want to kind of study a little
Speaker 1: bit more because we've been able to get rid of
Speaker 1: them in a couple places by kind of counteracting that
Speaker 1: energy and bringing like a more positive energy into a place,
Speaker 1: because they can sometimes become stronger and bigger and more powerful.
Speaker 1: They don't really touch people, but they're creepy, I can imagine.
Speaker 2: And your story makes sense because I haven't had the
Speaker 2: claims until recently within last two years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know you guys do pretty regular investigations there, right, correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it's really important to note that investigations
Speaker 1: in some of these locations are really a great form
Speaker 1: of revenue to help save these places. Yes, so I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: I think it's great that you guys are able to
Speaker 1: do that and open to that, because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of historical locations, not a lot, but if you
Speaker 1: are kind of closed off to the idea of investigating
Speaker 1: in ghosts, and you know, obviously it gives the ghosts
Speaker 1: a chance to interact, but it also can you know,
Speaker 1: bring in much needed revenue and exposure and history to
Speaker 1: the general public. So kudos to you guys for that.
Speaker 2: Ah, thank you. I know that would I go to
Speaker 2: these history projects or I'm also taking class in historic preservation.
Speaker 2: When I first started doing that, you know, they would
Speaker 2: clutch their pearls, you know, get the vapors over having
Speaker 2: ghost haunts, But when you explain them, that's the only
Speaker 2: way that we can make money for matching grants, and
Speaker 2: that's our main revenue, and the public likes it, and
Speaker 2: it's also a good way to introduce the history. They
Speaker 2: they're interested in ghosts. Well, you can't really investigate ghosts
Speaker 2: if you don't know what happened to bring the ghosts there.
Speaker 2: So it's a great way to to use it as
Speaker 2: a teaching tool. But I think in the historic area
Speaker 2: it wasn't accepted for a really long time. You weren't
Speaker 2: considered like a proper place if you did the ghost homes.
Speaker 2: And I think that's starting to change as they understand
Speaker 2: that it's also part of a cultural heritage to have
Speaker 2: people to come in there and experience these kind of things.
Speaker 2: So I think it's a lot more acceptable now than
Speaker 2: it was ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's funny. Years ago, the Mark Twain House invited
Speaker 1: Adam and I to do kind of a round table
Speaker 1: discussion with a number of historical societies and locations to
Speaker 1: kind of talk about the benefits of including the paranormal
Speaker 1: in their in their schedules or what have you, or
Speaker 1: their programs, and it was nice. It was nice to
Speaker 1: be able to kind of explain that you're reaching a
Speaker 1: different generation. Really, you know, it's unfortunately not a lot
Speaker 1: of teenagers are walking into His Oracle societies these days
Speaker 1: summing through these things. But you introduce the idea of
Speaker 1: the paranormal and ghost hunting, and suddenly they are taking
Speaker 1: an interest. And you know, that's how I got into
Speaker 1: the whole paranormal research thing. My dad tricked me and
Speaker 1: took me to hunted places and then taught me the history.
Speaker 1: You know, So that is so cool. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that's really great. But this history at this
Speaker 1: place in particular, it ranges from very dark and mysterious
Speaker 1: to very positive and light, and so I imagine that
Speaker 1: the spirits that you interact with kind of cover that
Speaker 1: gamut as well.
Speaker 2: Right, That's one of the things that find so fascinating.
Speaker 2: A lot of houses if you go to they'll have
Speaker 2: one erow word important person live there. But I mean
Speaker 2: that land goes back. Some of the hauntings go back
Speaker 2: to the sixteen hundreds, and then of course we're known
Speaker 2: as a Revolutionary War house, but innovators, and there's so
Speaker 2: much stuff going on through the Victorian times and then
Speaker 2: of course everybody wants to talk about the speakeasy and
Speaker 2: the Prohibition era, but I find the Victorian times really
Speaker 2: fascinating because that time period at the house, there was
Speaker 2: a different family there every decade, right, so people have
Speaker 2: seen a Victorian lady in the whole way, whom I
Speaker 2: think is different from the other Victorian lady that we've
Speaker 2: spoken to in other parts of the house. One is older,
Speaker 2: one is younger, so that's always interesting to try to
Speaker 2: figure out. And then of course there's been a gentleman
Speaker 2: who's been seen in the window waiting to people, which
Speaker 2: is curious. I haven't had the pleasure of having him
Speaker 2: wave to me, but from the description he seems to
Speaker 2: be of that area too, with a long white beard
Speaker 2: and kind of mutton chop sideburns on the side.
Speaker 1: So I think I feel like I remember us setting
Speaker 1: up a camera trying to capture that goes from outside.
Speaker 1: So now do you know offhand if before like when
Speaker 1: this was operating as the restaurant and everything years ago,
Speaker 1: to do they have any hauntings? Do people remember it
Speaker 1: having a haunted reputation even back then.
Speaker 2: Well that was the challenge when I first started, because
Speaker 2: I had so many experiences there and I kept thinking
Speaker 2: I can't be the only one. The last owner of
Speaker 2: the house, who left in nineteen ninety two would send
Speaker 2: me messages saying stop telling people the house is haunted.
Speaker 2: It's not. But I have since had people that worked
Speaker 2: for her on my tours, waiters, dishwashers, bartenders who used
Speaker 2: to work there that did have experiences that told me
Speaker 2: about it. And when I talked to mister Glink, who
Speaker 2: opened the restaurant in the nineteen twenties, his grandson lives
Speaker 2: next door in the carriage house, and one of the
Speaker 2: conversations I had with him was, Oh, yeah, they tell
Speaker 2: me that my grandfather haunts the attic. So there had
Speaker 2: to been stories before the two thousands.
Speaker 1: Right see. I find that and I love hearing about
Speaker 1: kind of how hauntings have progressed or how they've been
Speaker 1: perceived over the years. Now I do remember when I
Speaker 1: was there. I have to ask about this. Do you
Speaker 1: think there's a tunnel? I heard there was a tunnel
Speaker 1: potentially from the house to the down to the water.
Speaker 1: Do you think that exists?
Speaker 2: We believe that there was two, so we do know
Speaker 2: of one that's definitely was there. The archaeologists during one
Speaker 2: of our digs in twenty thirteen, discovered the path of
Speaker 2: one of the tunnels, and we do believe that there's
Speaker 2: one on the other side of the house that would
Speaker 2: have gone down to the wharf. Which is on the
Speaker 2: other side of the train tracks, so it's kind of
Speaker 2: dangerous to get to now, but we do think we
Speaker 2: figured it probably collapsed somewhere between nineteen sixties nineteen seventies,
Speaker 2: and that timeframe in the area was brioked over for
Speaker 2: safety reasons.
Speaker 1: Ah, got it. Yeah, you can see it. Like I'm
Speaker 1: just I find old tunnels to be so interesting and mysterious.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, this is very interesting. We have been awarded
Speaker 2: another grant to do an archaeology dig, so we work
Speaker 2: in conjunction with Mammath University and this time around they're
Speaker 2: going to use ground penetrating radar. One reason is we
Speaker 2: don't know where the family's buried. And also Annis Bludenet
Speaker 2: Stockton died in the house in eighteen oh one and
Speaker 2: for some reason she is not buried with her husband,
Speaker 2: Richard Stockton and Princeton, So that's strange. So I've got
Speaker 2: people writing me all over the country at times. You know,
Speaker 2: do you know where she's buried? Nope, So it would
Speaker 2: be really interesting to find that out. And there were
Speaker 2: also trying to track the second tunnel.
Speaker 1: That's exciting. I mean I think that the more information
Speaker 1: you can find, I think that's going to be, you know,
Speaker 1: very helpful for you, but also very helpful for your ghosts,
Speaker 1: you know. And as you're investigating, I'm so curious to know,
Speaker 1: like what will happen with the activity when you start
Speaker 1: doing that work there? Yeah, oh boy, you'll have to
Speaker 1: keep me posted. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And my little friend in the basement, he seems
Speaker 2: to be guarding something near the tunnel entrance. Maybe it's him, Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it would be fascinating if they
Speaker 2: found something in that era. And if they did, what
Speaker 2: would his reaction be? Yeah, that'll be very interesting.
Speaker 1: That is wild. Okay, So tell us, like, if people
Speaker 1: want to support the mansion, if they want to visit
Speaker 1: the mansion, what do they need to do?
Speaker 2: You can go to White House Mansion dot org. Donation
Speaker 2: help us very much. If you see the house, you
Speaker 2: can see that there's a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 2: But we feel that this house is very important to
Speaker 2: American history, not just the history of New Jersey and
Speaker 2: the Revolutionary War, but there's very few stories about women
Speaker 2: from the Revolutionary War, and we feel that her story
Speaker 2: is really important and in order to tell her story,
Speaker 2: we really need to save her house. Yeah, so if
Speaker 2: anybody's willing to donate, that's wonderful. We do have tours
Speaker 2: monthly to teach the hit history, and of course there
Speaker 2: are some ghost hunting opportunities out there too.
Speaker 1: That is awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking
Speaker 1: the time to chat with me today. I do you
Speaker 1: find the mansion to be so fascinating. I hope to
Speaker 1: be able to visit it very soon. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be in the area in the fall doing some talks,
Speaker 1: so I might have to stop by.
Speaker 2: Yes, please, that'd be wonderful.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, thank you so much, don I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: The White Hill Mansion has had so many identities and
Speaker 1: an incredibly rich history. It's no wonder it's haunted. I
Speaker 1: love watching the friends of the White Hill Mansion breathe
Speaker 1: new life into the location, and they could very much
Speaker 1: use your help if you've taken an interest, because with
Speaker 1: everything that's happened there in the last three hundred years,
Speaker 1: imagine what the next three hundred years holds for that
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