Speaker 1: Also media, beloved by some, hated by many, chosen by God,
Speaker 1: and perfected by science. I'm ed Zitron and it's time
Speaker 1: for the better offline CS experience. We're back for our
Speaker 1: second goddamn year. Welcome to this year's incredible coverage of
Speaker 1: the Las Vegas based Consumer Electronic Show. And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in the Palazzo Hotel and we've got a fully stocked bar,
Speaker 1: tarcos and the love and warmth that only comes from
Speaker 1: the power of friendship. We're going to be here all week,
Speaker 1: bringing you the news and views from the inns of
Speaker 1: the tech industry's largest conference, each day with a rotating
Speaker 1: cast of incredible people across multiple thirty minute blocks. My bartender,
Speaker 1: Phil Broughton will keep me liquid, my producer Matttersowski will
Speaker 1: keep me sane, and my editor Matt Hughes will feed
Speaker 1: me stories along with my guests from the show floor
Speaker 1: and my own goddamn eyes. Now, our first contestants are,
Speaker 1: of course, the wonderful mister Edward I Guiso, Hello, my friends,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? And he writes the wonderful tech
Speaker 1: Bubble newsletter, And of course David Roth of Defector, who's
Speaker 1: joining us today.
Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going? Hell? Yeah? And Matt Bender of
Speaker 2: Mashaball welcome back. Man.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's great to be here. This is like an
Speaker 3: annual thing now you years in a row.
Speaker 4: It's tensual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it counts, It counts. So today I thought the
Speaker 1: show floor was open and it wasn't, but that just
Speaker 1: meant that. Ed David and I went to watch the
Speaker 1: Jensen Wog CS keynote, and I must say I have
Speaker 1: watched some shit in my time, and I was I
Speaker 1: was quite I was quite bored, but not because I
Speaker 1: didn't understand. I was bored because I did understand. I
Speaker 1: was sitting there just doing what no what. There were
Speaker 1: things he said during it that did not make sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were bored and upset, and I was bored
Speaker 4: and bored, which is an important distinction.
Speaker 1: Credit Now, for those of you who actually want content
Speaker 1: about the about the keynote, don't expect that. Do not
Speaker 1: expect that at all, because Jensen Wong did not actually
Speaker 1: announce anything new, six new vera Ruben GPU, They're all.
Speaker 1: Every single thing he announced today was either three or
Speaker 1: six months old. Even the video of the dorky robot
Speaker 1: inside this thing called the omniverse. Yeah, the omniverse, by
Speaker 1: the way, and Eda is just looking at me, just
Speaker 1: like just like, just like, oh god, the omniverse is
Speaker 1: in videos little simulation space for robots and imagination station. Yes,
Speaker 1: and yet they spent half the thing talking about, as
Speaker 1: David put it, what would the things that would be
Speaker 1: nice if they existed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot of stuff that if if
Speaker 4: it was real, which we saw no indication that it was,
Speaker 4: it would be super tight.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing like jens En Wong is that
Speaker 1: he's he's a real he's a showman. Usually, like a
Speaker 1: year ago, he was like like greening and dancing across
Speaker 1: the stage. He was doing a little Avengers bit with
Speaker 1: a shield with a black while GPU this year.
Speaker 2: Just looked kind of sad.
Speaker 4: It didn't seem happy, It didn't seem he was You
Speaker 4: don't want to use the phrase low energy because it's
Speaker 4: got its political valance now, but he was.
Speaker 2: He seemed a little glom sleepy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little sleepy, sleepy, sleepy Jensen. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 4: want me to say it, but should we say it?
Speaker 4: Should say it, folks. But he was as shiny and
Speaker 4: like sort of boufont as i'd.
Speaker 2: Hoped, like I was, he had a very shiny jackhand
Speaker 2: as like a.
Speaker 4: Non tech journalist, Like I just know him as being
Speaker 4: an extremely rich guy with a really like obvious aesthetic,
Speaker 4: and so the idea of going to see him, like
Speaker 4: that's actually the most last Vegas thing that I could
Speaker 4: have done. It was basically the same reason that people
Speaker 4: would go see like Wayne Newton here where they're like,
Speaker 4: I don't really love his work, but I know that
Speaker 4: like when I see him on that stage, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be like, damn, well, that's Wayne Newton as hell.
Speaker 2: And this was Jensen Wang as hell. Like, for whatever
Speaker 2: that's worth.
Speaker 4: It's something you just do while you're in Vegas, right exactly.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 4: I don't have to be a big fan of Gwen
Speaker 4: Stefani to go see her residency. Yeah, like this is
Speaker 4: which is I don't know, it's very instant switching.
Speaker 2: On the Vegas part of your brain for this. But
Speaker 2: that was the thing.
Speaker 1: There was a line of thousands of people to get in,
Speaker 1: thousands and.
Speaker 2: Thousands, and we cut a lot of them, and we.
Speaker 1: Cut some lines and I'm very sorry if you were
Speaker 1: lining up to see the Jensen Wog Donkey Show and
Speaker 1: you ended up not being able to sit down for
Speaker 1: two boobless hours.
Speaker 5: It was almost as long as Avatar three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I understood it as much as I
Speaker 1: haven't seen any of.
Speaker 2: That land of my boy Cameron, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I would let him run in video, and I think
Speaker 6: he'd actually give us something.
Speaker 1: You know. It's had to build a submarine, which is
Speaker 1: a worrying fact I discovered during when the Titan submersible exploded.
Speaker 2: He's a sick like he's an actual submarine fian. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this thing was. It was really weird because this.
Speaker 1: Is the largest company on the stock market and he
Speaker 1: just felt I don't want to say dull is the
Speaker 1: wrong word, because he certainly wanted to pretend to be excited,
Speaker 1: but it was like, half, what if we could do robots?
Speaker 1: We can't, but what if we could? And then it
Speaker 1: was like we're vera Rubin GPUs. What do you like this?
Speaker 2: What do you think of this?
Speaker 1: And then you may be thinking listener, Okay, at what
Speaker 1: point did he talk about AI Barely?
Speaker 2: He was just like, yeah, got agents, they're happening.
Speaker 1: And then he did like a two minute long demo
Speaker 1: of this guy building an agent personal assistant that did stuff.
Speaker 2: He looked at a white board and looking at five
Speaker 2: things on it and yelled.
Speaker 1: It connected to a hugging face robot that then told
Speaker 1: his dog to get off the couch.
Speaker 4: Potato, Potato. The dog is treated very rudely, very nasty,
Speaker 4: very unfair.
Speaker 2: Potato.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: When I first saw that clip, I misread it and
Speaker 6: I was like, there's a readout where it says your
Speaker 6: dog is on the couch and I know you don't
Speaker 6: like that. And I thought, I said, your dog is
Speaker 6: here and I know you don't like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, can I eliminate the dog kill?
Speaker 1: Jensen one getting up there. We finally worked out a
Speaker 1: way to kill dogs. Just someone off, come out, no,
Speaker 1: En Jensen. We took the dog killing part out to
Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's good.
Speaker 2: They love this.
Speaker 1: We've got tons of dogs like this, like billions of dogs.
Speaker 1: We want ten dollars a dog wearing business. That's like
Speaker 1: one quarter of GPU sales.
Speaker 6: Where we see this chart the price killing dogs. Here's
Speaker 6: one hundred what it caused a kill ten trillion dogs.
Speaker 6: The parameters are increasing over the year, the cost of
Speaker 6: each kills dropping by by five orders of magnitude.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I think killing dogs is fun.
Speaker 4: Ten trillion dogs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for the listener he was talking about At one point,
Speaker 6: he was talking about how much it costs to generate
Speaker 6: tokens or and to train models that were ten trillion parameters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were saying the parameters were going up, and
Speaker 1: they had this great shot where it's like, well, you
Speaker 1: said it was the x axis was just dollars and
Speaker 1: the y axis was latency and the dollar the line
Speaker 1: was down, but the latency was up, and he didn't
Speaker 1: really explain what that meant.
Speaker 2: He's just like, look it's tempa. It's a tenth of
Speaker 2: the price.
Speaker 4: It was one percent.
Speaker 2: Like you hogs want to see a line go on?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Do you like the stonks guy? Do you want me
Speaker 4: to bring him out?
Speaker 1: The hogs hated it. The hogs was se They clamped
Speaker 1: as they should. He brought up picture of Vera Ruben,
Speaker 1: who I've completely forgoten what she did.
Speaker 6: She was the person who observed that, you know, Newtonian
Speaker 6: mechanics predicts that uh, things in the farther orbit around
Speaker 6: the central object should take longer to go around it
Speaker 6: then closer to it, and the edge of the galaxy
Speaker 6: rotates faster than you would expect, which suggests that there's
Speaker 6: other matter, dark matter, which is making uh, the edge
Speaker 6: of the galaxy actually rotate at a higher velocity. Ryan
Speaker 6: an interesting one which we still haven't figured out what
Speaker 6: the fuck to do it so, but more interesting than
Speaker 6: you know, whether anything they would.
Speaker 1: But that was the one time people clapped and we
Speaker 1: came back off to just like mildly concosst just like
Speaker 1: brains just like hummeled. And we went and looked at
Speaker 1: the CS twenty twenty five one. People were hooting and
Speaker 1: hollering and cheering and shit this because they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we were going to walk you through black Well and
Speaker 1: they tell a bunch of lies. At least they had
Speaker 1: chance with the lies.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like limply walking in skying
Speaker 1: like yeah, this is really heavy.
Speaker 2: I'm not even kidding. He like just lifted up a Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was pretty dialed in last year for what it's
Speaker 4: I mean, that's like the bit of it that I
Speaker 4: you know again to me with the Wayne Newton com
Speaker 4: it's like you don't have to like the songs to
Speaker 4: be like, damn, he's really got this padder down.
Speaker 1: Metallica seven times, and they put on a show well
Speaker 1: every time.
Speaker 3: Now I'm the only person in this room obviously who
Speaker 3: was not did not see the keynote. Do you think
Speaker 3: this came Did it come across to you like like
Speaker 3: they may have had something they planned to show here
Speaker 3: but it fell through or wasn't order to come across,
Speaker 3: Like they really like busted their load last year and
Speaker 3: couldn't live up to the hype this year.
Speaker 2: I think it's the second one.
Speaker 1: They didn't really seem to have anything because I mentioned
Speaker 1: it in passing, but it was it was a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff from GtC, which the big developers conference, and
Speaker 1: like they did this whole thing about new black Well
Speaker 1: chips and every chip they sorry vera rubenschip and every
Speaker 1: chip was announced months ago.
Speaker 2: It just felt weird.
Speaker 1: It felt like they didn't have any any key staging anymore.
Speaker 3: Because last year the hype for that keynote was weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 3: people were talking. It was like the highlight of CES.
Speaker 3: It was like they had like some big musical artists
Speaker 3: or something showing up.
Speaker 2: It was that big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't that this year. Legitimately, you could see
Speaker 1: people like people leaving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were walkouts, people.
Speaker 1: Just walking out after a thing took Like like last
Speaker 1: year there was a two and a half hour long
Speaker 1: line before it opened. This year there was a long line,
Speaker 1: but it filed in. Then they told us it was full,
Speaker 1: but then they were like, actually there were seats.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: It's just very weird. It's a thirty eight hundred persons.
Speaker 1: The yeah, just feels like we're at the end of something,
Speaker 1: which is fun.
Speaker 3: I enjoy that, which also I don't think the rest
Speaker 3: of CES has got that message based on all the
Speaker 3: AI everything everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt, you've been. You went to CS and bailed yesterday,
Speaker 1: as yees would. Did you see anything interesting anything.
Speaker 4: That well, I mean everything.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is actually you would think AI is
Speaker 3: the main thing, and I guess there's crossover here, but
Speaker 3: the really big.
Speaker 4: Thing this year robotics.
Speaker 3: Everyone's got robots doing something and obviously there is the
Speaker 3: AI like uh sort of angle there, but it's it's
Speaker 3: not the same in terms of like how they hype
Speaker 3: it up. Like I remember a few years ago every
Speaker 3: company wanted to be a metaverse company or a blockchain company.
Speaker 3: And I said this last year on this show that
Speaker 3: that seems to be dead, and it seems like that's
Speaker 3: the case. It's just jo Trump coming back and Crypto
Speaker 3: coming back. In terms of these guys making all their
Speaker 3: money through insider training on Crypto does not seem to
Speaker 3: have translated over back to the tech Worldrypto. No, I've
Speaker 3: not seen any Nope, not even blockchain is usually the
Speaker 3: way these tech companies try to.
Speaker 2: Like get their hold on that space.
Speaker 6: And I've seen nothing, seen any prediction market.
Speaker 4: No, no prediction market stuff. I mean it's still early.
Speaker 3: This is the show floor hasn't even opened yet while
Speaker 3: we're talking, But I've seen none of that everything. There
Speaker 3: was a few AI stuff here and there. Wearables are
Speaker 3: big again this year. What kind every wearable you get?
Speaker 3: That's that's where the AI stuff is coming in. Everyone
Speaker 3: wants a wearable that you have around your neck where
Speaker 3: it records what you're saying and then gives you the
Speaker 3: transcription of your conversations.
Speaker 2: If Victoria had a way of recording our voices.
Speaker 1: But if only they invented some way that I could
Speaker 1: talk and then they would save it.
Speaker 2: Right, It's a good thing.
Speaker 4: Everyone listening to this is in the room with us
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 6: I just lost I saw Victoria's song post something of
Speaker 6: wearable that is like a taint election.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's gonna come on tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then I won't say anything more about it because I
Speaker 1: heard it's a taint electrocute things.
Speaker 2: It's you know, maybe it's for keegles, maybe it's for
Speaker 2: edging the idea. Look, well, people through with that. Titans
Speaker 2: is not my business. Well it's someone's business.
Speaker 5: Now, it's literally someone's business.
Speaker 4: Was business the previous time I was on this podcast,
Speaker 4: Victoria was on and she was wearing a wearable Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it was one of the once I forget what
Speaker 4: it was called. It was advertised on the subway a lot,
Speaker 4: the friend.
Speaker 2: It was friend friend something.
Speaker 4: Different though, oh, whatever it was, it was the rabbit.
Speaker 4: It was designed to be rude to you, like that
Speaker 4: seemed to be what the hack was.
Speaker 1: No, it was when you sorry, this was I think
Speaker 1: it was the friend because this is a few months ago.
Speaker 2: It wasn't ces. It was just when you're in the street.
Speaker 2: It just in New York. Yeah, it was just very rude. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was it got mad at her.
Speaker 4: During our interview, we like asked how she felt about it,
Speaker 4: and she said she had like a name for it.
Speaker 2: She was like, it's bloorbo. We don't always get along.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a whole theme restaurant that does that, right,
Speaker 3: there is an audience for that and to bevic so
Speaker 3: you can wear around your neck to see scream at you.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 6: I love it when AI is rude to me. You
Speaker 6: know that gets my juices gone.
Speaker 4: It was I guess the idea was that it was
Speaker 4: like it, you know, it wasn't like the other.
Speaker 2: Ais, like it was a little edge.
Speaker 1: You do, like the idea that like, yeah, we made
Speaker 1: an AI friend, and like all of my friends, it's
Speaker 1: very rude, doesn't want to talk to me, doesn't like
Speaker 1: just the guy who does don't have friends, just has
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who write him.
Speaker 2: Yet so lonely.
Speaker 4: I just wish I had someone to be mad at
Speaker 4: all the time while I'm at work, like just thinking
Speaker 4: my idle moments.
Speaker 6: The comic I love where it's like, you know, four Panels.
Speaker 6: One Panels is a scientists and he's like, hey, I
Speaker 6: made this robot and it screams the word cock and
Speaker 6: then it just keeps screaming cock. And then someone's like,
Speaker 6: why did you make this? And he's like, oh, I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the week we're recording this, like every
Speaker 3: ai we're going to talk about, they all seem good
Speaker 3: compared to what Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: Groc is doing right now.
Speaker 6: But when Groc gets lucidity, you know, when it drops
Speaker 6: the Mecca Hitler, you know, when it's super woke, when
Speaker 6: it's not.
Speaker 4: Its moments like I'm sure every pedophile.
Speaker 1: Now we all funny sometimes, right, like we all think
Speaker 1: passes moments where classic drum comes through.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day he was friends
Speaker 3: with Epstein, Like that's crack, Like I mean, krak is
Speaker 3: literally like uh undressing.
Speaker 2: Photos fucking discussed children.
Speaker 1: So you can go on if you want to see
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who redacted, go to our slash
Speaker 1: karok on Reddit and it's just LLLM generated pornography and
Speaker 1: you'll never you'll be surprised to hear it's all woman.
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is I bet each one of those
Speaker 1: costs like five to ten bucks a generation. So Elon
Speaker 1: Musk is just burning billions of dollars for like the
Speaker 1: most wretched perverts in the world. And what's great is
Speaker 1: you go on there and there will occasion to be
Speaker 1: a guy who's just like this fucking thing's moderated and
Speaker 1: it's censored. Now it's censored. I can't generate the pornography
Speaker 1: I want. Elon Musk has failed us, and it's just
Speaker 1: like finding people who are more reactionary than Elon Musk
Speaker 1: is tough, but man, do they do it right?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even know that.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm sure he's put some sort of limits on
Speaker 3: some things, but people right now, we're we're like a
Speaker 3: week or two into this whole scandal with GROC creating
Speaker 3: literal child abuse sex like sexual yeah, child sexual abuse material,
Speaker 3: and they're still able to make it.
Speaker 4: And Elon Musk is on on.
Speaker 3: X right now, laughing about pictures people are sending of
Speaker 3: non consensual undressing, raffling to make the band funny.
Speaker 6: The last thing I saw els was someone made this
Speaker 6: long I say about how the reason why Africa can't
Speaker 6: manage itself is not because of colonialism, it's because of
Speaker 6: IQ or something, and then him called tweeting it and
Speaker 6: on truth nuke hard truth.
Speaker 1: Well, I ever, I actually saved a South African screenshot
Speaker 1: Yeah Jesus, screenshot from Asda's grok here we go again,
Speaker 1: space exclamation mark. Those x AI Groc motherfuckers back to
Speaker 1: fucking zombies and slow motion and constant over moderation. Thanks
Speaker 1: fuck my subscription is nearly up. These word I won't
Speaker 1: say are fucking losers. Fuck you, elnd Muskue, fucking rock Spider.
Speaker 1: They've updated again and made it even worse than before.
Speaker 1: And then someone responding with what my morning goon session
Speaker 1: went is usual. I just and any other forum would
Speaker 1: be like, that's someone doing irony.
Speaker 2: But no, the word what was the word that?
Speaker 1: It's a swear word that I'm not going to say.
Speaker 1: It's not a slur, thankfully.
Speaker 5: I know. I was curious. It is a square slur towards.
Speaker 2: The beginning of the alphabet.
Speaker 3: Let was but like the fact that Groc does this,
Speaker 3: like obviously every company who has an AI product now
Speaker 3: their AI can do the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it seems.
Speaker 3: Like they have at least used the resources they have
Speaker 3: of like a trust in safety department, to think these
Speaker 3: things through and limit it or stop it from doing
Speaker 3: that before it actually is able to. They seem to
Speaker 3: not only be aware that it could do that and
Speaker 3: not want to stop it.
Speaker 4: They're loving that it's doing this. Yeah, it makes me
Speaker 4: feel at the risk of making an extremely prosaic observation
Speaker 4: about something that I think I don't want to put
Speaker 4: words in anybody's mouth that I think we all believe
Speaker 4: is bad. Yes, the fact that this has been going
Speaker 4: on for two weeks makes me feel like I'm losing
Speaker 4: my fucking nyes. Like I can't believe that there is
Speaker 4: a thing generating child sex abuse material on the social
Speaker 4: network that we all were on.
Speaker 2: The people for like fifteen years. People are paying fullty
Speaker 2: dollars a month to access.
Speaker 3: Like if an individual human being went online right now
Speaker 3: and uploaded season a single photo on a social media site,
Speaker 3: they would have a knock on their door.
Speaker 2: Yes, with going to jail.
Speaker 3: Whereas Elon Musk's creation is literally creating this end mass
Speaker 3: over and over again, an image per second permitted. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but it's a lot, and it just keeps
Speaker 3: doing it and no one's whose job is it to
Speaker 3: step in?
Speaker 4: And that's the bit that makes me feel most insane,
Speaker 4: is that this is one of those things where it's
Speaker 4: like there's not a great number of points of consensus
Speaker 4: in American culture at the point, right, but this is
Speaker 4: one that I think everybody's more or less on the
Speaker 4: same page on so I thought. And it's also one
Speaker 4: of the things that like see what you will about
Speaker 4: the Federal Bureau of Investigation, They've been pretty consistent in
Speaker 4: their approach to this issue through the years. The fact
Speaker 4: that this is somehow now just like raffel fodder, like
Speaker 4: all the rest of the shit, it's like crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, the only good news in it, and that really
Speaker 1: is none, is how much this is properly costing. Like
Speaker 1: it's probably like I reckon the spending a couple of
Speaker 1: million a day on this just the perverb ceasam machine.
Speaker 3: I mean, but but I mean he's he's getting government
Speaker 3: is the government the US government is paying.
Speaker 4: To use grap Yeah right, I mean there's like the money.
Speaker 3: They're spending like on creating this stuff, Like the money
Speaker 3: is coming in to make up for it, at least
Speaker 3: for Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: But is it, Like I'm pretty sure he's just losing money.
Speaker 1: It's insane that also he is building massive data centers
Speaker 1: to do more of this. This is the this is
Speaker 1: the thing. This is the year we're walking into. This
Speaker 1: is twenty twenty six. We've got what can lms do
Speaker 1: that they couldn't do a year ago. Well, guess what,
Speaker 1: it's child pornography that that is the new thing that
Speaker 1: they can do. We watch fucking Jensen Wong be off
Speaker 1: of two hours. Not really, if only think.
Speaker 4: Think of the years it took Jeffrey Epstein to create this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now Kroc do.
Speaker 4: It all just with the power of AI.
Speaker 2: The future.
Speaker 6: Okay, the metaverse, you can go make your own island
Speaker 6: with you know, you can make your own network.
Speaker 1: That's the thing though, it's that's the use case for
Speaker 1: the metaverse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it? Like you little Saint.
Speaker 5: James and the Temple.
Speaker 1: Don't forget the dam But oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: how we're beginning to see as twenty twenty six. Robert
Speaker 1: Evans isn't even here, and I'm like, okay, we've got
Speaker 1: to change the subject.
Speaker 4: Right created a version of the game missed would be
Speaker 4: sent to jail for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Or or a job this is senior pro manager.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're willing to.
Speaker 1: Jesus fucking Christ, I thought this show would be normal.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. Did you catch it?
Speaker 4: There was a Grock cameo in the just and long
Speaker 4: presentation like multimodal. Yeah he was, So he's using this
Speaker 4: as an example to show what the technology could do.
Speaker 4: And it was just like, sorry, the stomach sound hell yeah?
Speaker 2: What was it? Was it? The stuff that came out
Speaker 2: this week?
Speaker 4: I love but it was funny to see, like, given
Speaker 4: that that is like I think that everybody's first thought
Speaker 4: on what is.
Speaker 2: This bragging about working with Palenteer.
Speaker 4: I mean, all the bad guys are getting Palentiner.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they heard this year, but they've
Speaker 3: been at pastes showing off their armed vehicles and everything.
Speaker 4: They they're there.
Speaker 2: They don't make calmed vehicles.
Speaker 3: They were that evil sales space that I don't go
Speaker 3: to this Palentiner booth. But the years I've seen them,
Speaker 3: they face masks.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over the and just be like, may
Speaker 1: you go any guns? Like a borro, and they just
Speaker 1: stop asking them for can you phone? I'm just downloading Gronk,
Speaker 1: just downloading Gronk for real. Oh it's already here.
Speaker 2: What do you lost it? Oh my god? But like
Speaker 2: moving aggressively on from the subject.
Speaker 4: Seeking of children, I saw lego.
Speaker 2: That was the segway I was trying to go for.
Speaker 1: But then we got into the little gens in the omnivors.
Speaker 2: Like consimulate Jesus, little Lego.
Speaker 6: So this is he wouldn't got caught if you had Domniverse.
Speaker 6: I think that's probably what their salespan.
Speaker 2: Would have been.
Speaker 4: Surprised that said that. The people cheered.
Speaker 5: When they said that that was weird. That was weird.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to get cart and the little robots came
Speaker 1: on and yeah, that was before we move on to Lego.
Speaker 1: That was the strangest part of this thing. So, Matt,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen this. There was a bit and he
Speaker 1: apparently did this last year where he had had a
Speaker 1: little robot walk out. This year he had two. It
Speaker 1: was the same kind you used, had two of them,
Speaker 1: and it was bizarre. For ten minutes, he was just
Speaker 1: like kneeling down and going like and this is how
Speaker 1: we're going to build you. This is how we're going
Speaker 1: to build robots in the omnivose.
Speaker 2: It was so weird.
Speaker 1: And like, you are the CEO of the largest company
Speaker 1: on the stock mark. Your company has like got a
Speaker 1: four trillion dollar market cap. Everyone's buying these seventy thousand
Speaker 1: dollars GPUs from you, and you're sitting being like, hi, little.
Speaker 2: Robot, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a twenty five thousand dollars there the jackets
Speaker 1: hi much?
Speaker 6: You think he paid Disney for to use those two
Speaker 6: robots from Star Wars file in order?
Speaker 2: They were? They from Star Wars yea, the Star Wars
Speaker 2: their their Jedi filling order.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, that was the cheapest, like he went and
Speaker 1: got like wow from Lucas, So what's what's the cheapest
Speaker 1: robot you'll get.
Speaker 3: What makes that crazy is apparently Disney gave these random robots,
Speaker 3: whereas I got C three PO and R two D two.
Speaker 4: And Chewbacca showing up at the Lego events.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got there.
Speaker 1: We got there, so we got the mandolay bayed thinking
Speaker 1: CESM veil was today. It was not flawless organization as
Speaker 1: usual for me and I walk in and it's I's
Speaker 1: just the Chewbacca room.
Speaker 6: I picked through the doors, see Chewbacca. I see some rebels.
Speaker 4: Up there and we're like, well, you know, sorry about
Speaker 4: that opened the door at a bar. Yeah, so they
Speaker 4: just long brings out the blow job bear from the
Speaker 4: Shining Why would he do that? There's no reason for
Speaker 4: that bear to be on stage multi.
Speaker 2: Okay, that partnership with Rock is pulling. Okay, please, let's
Speaker 2: talk about the small Lego Lego.
Speaker 3: I will say, So Lego, who's making their CS debut,
Speaker 3: They've never done this before, really, Yeah, So Lego actually
Speaker 3: had something pretty interesting where it's this. It's their new product,
Speaker 3: a smart brick in their smart play platform. And they
Speaker 3: basically took a silicon chip that's small is what they said,
Speaker 3: smaller than one stud on a Lego that's cool, and
Speaker 3: they put it inside a brick and you connect this
Speaker 3: brick onto your Lego creations, your Lego characters, and this
Speaker 3: chip basically, this this smart brick basically has sensors and
Speaker 3: accelerometers and it could track color and sound and distance
Speaker 3: and direction, and it basically brings your Lego creations and
Speaker 3: characters to life. So one example they gave in the
Speaker 3: demo was they put uh, this smart brick on a
Speaker 3: little airplane Lego creation, and then they put a airplane
Speaker 3: pilot character on top of that plane. And when they
Speaker 3: were flying it around, the plane was making like whosh
Speaker 3: and all like engine noises. And then the guy turns
Speaker 3: the plane upside down and the airplane pilot starts to.
Speaker 4: Scream, and this is the audio is coming out of.
Speaker 3: This smart I mean it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean from like I we're going to allow you
Speaker 2: to you like I figure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In fact, they were really playing that up too.
Speaker 3: They were saying, you know, if you run your Lego
Speaker 3: over with your Lego character over with a car like
Speaker 3: be sound. The guy was getting great joy out of
Speaker 3: mutilating these leg.
Speaker 2: Characters and the Legos Soul collection.
Speaker 6: If you told me as a child, wow, wouldn't you
Speaker 6: love a computer inside of this? If you told me
Speaker 6: my bionicle would be better if it had a computer,
Speaker 6: and I would have set it on fire.
Speaker 3: I like the antithetical, but like you know, I was
Speaker 3: thinking about this, and like I guess, for like other
Speaker 3: toys where you just buy a toy and it's already
Speaker 3: built for you and then you add this other stuff,
Speaker 3: I guess you can argue it's taking away from kids imagination.
Speaker 4: But with Lego they still have to build this stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, so like the smart brick is just adding
Speaker 3: an extra like I guess, like feature to it that
Speaker 3: helps their imagination.
Speaker 5: Lego is not going to take away.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid.
Speaker 4: It also has a kind of feels like it's for
Speaker 4: adults more than yes, for kids.
Speaker 2: This is for the man babies, the buying childre that's
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 3: They announced the first Lego smart play play sets that
Speaker 3: come with these smart bricks, and that's where Chewy and
Speaker 3: C three P O and R two D two come in.
Speaker 3: The first play sets with this technology will be three
Speaker 3: Star Wars play sets, the Tie Fighter, the X Wing,
Speaker 3: and the Emperor's Throne Room where you can have a
Speaker 3: lightsaber battle.
Speaker 6: George Lucas was not joking when he said that selling
Speaker 6: Star Wars to Disney was like selling his children to slavers,
Speaker 6: because they are gonna be working these guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Slave the Slave Layer playset will be coming
Speaker 3: out soon.
Speaker 1: Oh God, what sounds does that one? Just like I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to make my Lego figures screaming.
Speaker 6: There'll be a job to sound very lightly in the
Speaker 6: background of whatever Lea says.
Speaker 2: I Like, they're just like.
Speaker 1: I think the theme of CS from everything I've read
Speaker 1: so far is we've run out of ideas, Like it
Speaker 1: kind of felt like that last year, but this year
Speaker 1: it's like Jensen Huong doing his his just retread of everything,
Speaker 1: and like I.
Speaker 2: Was like, what the fuck to what do we put?
Speaker 2: Why we release more legos?
Speaker 1: I guess they could make What if the lego figures
Speaker 1: could feel pain?
Speaker 4: What if you could re enact your witness to a
Speaker 4: great becoming scene from Manhunter with your legos.
Speaker 2: In this place in the guard of the Vita in
Speaker 2: the background after his changing.
Speaker 4: Do you see it's nice?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't think we I thought we'd
Speaker 1: wait until Tuesday for the Man Hunter.
Speaker 5: You could do like.
Speaker 4: Day, I gotta get it in.
Speaker 2: I'm happy. I'm very happy to hear this.
Speaker 1: Most of the content, not so much like I didn't
Speaker 1: think we'd get to see some this quickly.
Speaker 4: But the thing that's interesting, though, to Matt's point, I
Speaker 4: want to skip you if you're trying to say, is
Speaker 4: that it feels like I agree that it feels like
Speaker 4: to a certain extent, there's a deficit of new ideas.
Speaker 4: But and again, as like an o who doesn't generally
Speaker 4: cover this, like just as what it is, that's an
Speaker 4: impressive thing.
Speaker 3: To me, right, and also in a world where we
Speaker 3: just talked about everything we just talked about, like the
Speaker 3: lego stuff actually feels like a breath of fresh air
Speaker 3: where it's a company that actually is focused on I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously they want to make money, but it's also focused
Speaker 3: on let's build this stuff for kids and also adults
Speaker 3: that have this nostalgia love for Lego and it's harmless
Speaker 3: and fun.
Speaker 2: I mean the home which is to the people. But
Speaker 2: the Legos like the.
Speaker 4: Legos likeily Legos don't feel yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what That's what I like, And that would
Speaker 1: have been if I was in there putting my hand up.
Speaker 2: Can they feel the no again?
Speaker 6: Okay, so you got got a Lego set which has
Speaker 6: a massive computer of the center. It's going to do
Speaker 6: inference on device.
Speaker 2: On device pains for your Legos.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The suffering you can make your Legos experience is distinct.
Speaker 7: Now any historical event where people felt pain like it's
Speaker 7: I don't know, I I want to be excited about it,
Speaker 7: but it's just I look at it.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you don't have you you could build
Speaker 1: literally anything. That's the point of Lego and the like, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: we can't build. We have no more ideas of that.
Speaker 1: We just have noises. Again, maybe I'm being too cynical.
Speaker 4: Okay, they're coming up with new ideas for like you
Speaker 4: can build a big boat, you know, like there's stuff
Speaker 4: like that is in there trying to I'm sorry, so Gurgley,
Speaker 4: there's something about like that seems additive. I guess it's
Speaker 4: like a little silly to me. But that's I mean,
Speaker 4: it's the same way.
Speaker 3: What is it interesting is it's it's the same lego
Speaker 3: brick for everything. Like it's not like, oh, this is
Speaker 3: the specific smart brick for that Star Wars.
Speaker 2: That's not bad.
Speaker 3: You can you can take the same brick and connect
Speaker 3: it to an airplane and it knows it's an airplane.
Speaker 3: Now do we take that same brick and connected to
Speaker 3: Star Wars set. It knows which Star Wars character is
Speaker 3: connected to or which Star Wars vehicle it's on. It's
Speaker 3: this one brick that you could use for everything. If
Speaker 3: you have multiple bricks, they interact. One interesting thing I
Speaker 3: thought was like if your kids are like racing their
Speaker 3: their smart brick attached cars, and like there's a smart
Speaker 3: brick like finish line creation, it'll it'll track which one
Speaker 3: actually gets to the finish line first and let you
Speaker 3: know by the color of the vehicle, Like it'll flash
Speaker 3: that color of the winning vehicle, so.
Speaker 2: The kids can't argue and fight over who actually won.
Speaker 6: The smart brick tells the part that's a key part
Speaker 6: of any race is fighting over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna wrap this block for now.
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Speaker 1: I'm entering the city of Las Vegas, Nevada for the
Speaker 1: Consumer Electronics Show. This is ed Zitron, of course, is
Speaker 1: better offline. We're back here at CS and I'm joined
Speaker 1: by the wonderful Scott Stein from CNET.
Speaker 2: Scott, How you doing?
Speaker 8: Hey great? Hey great? And I'm burnt out is how
Speaker 8: I'm doing.
Speaker 1: That's fine, man, I just watched two hours of Jensen
Speaker 1: Huang going off, so you're in good company. Matt Binder,
Speaker 1: of course, from Mashable, great to be here and mister
Speaker 1: David rolthrom DEFECTA Hello, So are you going to start
Speaker 1: with you, Scott, because I want to talk about these
Speaker 1: x real glasses.
Speaker 2: Complete subject change.
Speaker 1: Well you can get back to Lego in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but so that you've been looking at a few different
Speaker 1: smart glasses, any of these been actually interesting or useful
Speaker 1: in bits.
Speaker 8: It's like the curts a thing like every there are
Speaker 8: little bits that are interesting and they're all striving to
Speaker 8: like do more, and you're trying to see where they're
Speaker 8: going to interconnect. Like x rel I covered them way
Speaker 8: back when they were en real and they were trying
Speaker 8: to be like magically and they they do though right
Speaker 8: now they're display glasses, so really it's like a a
Speaker 8: big virtual display just.
Speaker 2: Fla screen and you connect it to your phone.
Speaker 8: You connected to your phone, your laptop like anything that
Speaker 8: has standard USB video out, you know, like they display
Speaker 8: more video out switch breaks that, but they sell the
Speaker 8: doc now that can get around that. So you connect
Speaker 8: that you can play. So it's practical. The impractical part
Speaker 8: is that you've to spend several hundred dollars and the
Speaker 8: question is is that worth it? But what impressed me
Speaker 8: about what x reel was doing in recent years and
Speaker 8: companies like Features that I hadn't been following them for
Speaker 8: a few years, and the displays were getting really good,
Speaker 8: like like TV quality good, and I thought, oh, that's
Speaker 8: really interesting. And now they're striving, they're partnering with Google,
Speaker 8: they're trying to do more things. So it's like, it's
Speaker 8: interesting how they're they super focused on one area versus
Speaker 8: trying to do everything.
Speaker 2: What are they trying with Google? Well, they oppen to So.
Speaker 8: That's basically like project Or, which I tried in December,
Speaker 8: is like can we make a VR mixed reality headset thing?
Speaker 8: But shrinking on the classes for basically the kind of
Speaker 8: same experience.
Speaker 2: So is it not?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Is it screening still? Like I'm a little kids.
Speaker 8: It screens, it's three D and but the field of
Speaker 8: view is limited because it's like glasses, so it's like
Speaker 8: fifty but it feels kind of like a big TV
Speaker 8: view and it's projected, and it was running all of
Speaker 8: the Android XR apps that run on the Samsung Galaxy XR.
Speaker 8: That's like, yeah, and this one there's no price, but
Speaker 8: it's probably going to be a lot cheaper and it
Speaker 8: has a little process or puck that you need to use,
Speaker 8: but other than that, they're regular extra glasses, so it's
Speaker 8: like relatively more practical. What I thought was interesting is
Speaker 8: you got like effectively the same a lot of the
Speaker 8: same experience and selling a lot smaller that you might
Speaker 8: like stick in your.
Speaker 2: Bag, right, I mean where was the market for these though?
Speaker 2: Like would you use them in your day to day?
Speaker 8: So I would use the display part. But the thing
Speaker 8: I wanted, the thing I want to get to that
Speaker 8: I kind of always fantasized about, was like could I
Speaker 8: get work done without a laptop? Could I like sit
Speaker 8: there and just type of way in the little corner
Speaker 8: of cees with like my little keyboard or invisible keyboard
Speaker 8: in the glasses? That still hasn't happened. Like technically that
Speaker 8: the project Aura looks like you could do that because
Speaker 8: it runs a whole bunch of apps. But the question
Speaker 8: is how annoying that would be in what cost? And
Speaker 8: then are you just going to default to like even
Speaker 8: the glasses. I think they're super interesting and I'll use
Speaker 8: them on flights, but then there's a point where I'm like,
Speaker 8: why don't I just use the iPad? Or like could
Speaker 8: I just look at my phone, like there's a part
Speaker 8: at which you go, do I really want to carry
Speaker 8: this around?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 8: And I think it's you know, if the price dropped
Speaker 8: or it became something that did more than that. Right now,
Speaker 8: it's like display glasses and there are these other like
Speaker 8: meta ray ban and ray band alike things, right, two
Speaker 8: different products completely unrelated, and then you're like, how many
Speaker 8: of those are you gonna buy?
Speaker 3: That's what I've covered xual before too, and I always
Speaker 3: thought it was interesting that they focused on the display thing.
Speaker 3: Other like, because you come to cees and smart glasses,
Speaker 3: you can find like twenty different smart glass companies and
Speaker 3: they all want to do something with AI and augmented
Speaker 3: reality and the audio recording, transcription, video recording. But x
Speaker 3: Real I appreciated that they focused on what if we
Speaker 3: just give you a TV in your glasses, so like
Speaker 3: when you're on long trips or something, you can just
Speaker 3: be immersed And that's it.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: The fact that you're saying they now want to, you know,
Speaker 3: do some more things with Google now, I'm like, I
Speaker 3: feel like x Real is losing that focus that made them,
Speaker 3: that made them stick out for me as a company
Speaker 3: that oh I appreciate that they got their eye on
Speaker 3: the prize and that's that's all they want to do.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 8: What's interesting is like there are parts that are practical
Speaker 8: that are interconnected, because it's like there are companies like
Speaker 8: TCL and there's like there's a bunch of companies that
Speaker 8: have been making these like TVs for your face, like
Speaker 8: these display glasses. But the thing that started like x
Speaker 8: real backed off all that stuff and they started doing
Speaker 8: these like very focused glasses. But they started introducing stuff
Speaker 8: in the later ones it's more practical, like you can
Speaker 8: pin the display, which is actually useful because if you
Speaker 8: if you're trying to work with these as like a monitor,
Speaker 8: it used to be that you turn and it would
Speaker 8: keep following your face, which is awful because you can't
Speaker 8: ever look in the corner of the screen. It's like
Speaker 8: you just keep turning and it keeps moving. But they
Speaker 8: started pinning it in space so you could actually treat
Speaker 8: it like a monitor, which is practical. And then they
Speaker 8: start having transparency, so it's like you you look at
Speaker 8: the display, everything is blacked out around you, but if
Speaker 8: you turn your head, everything goes transparent again. So it's
Speaker 8: like practical but kind of a little are a little
Speaker 8: like and I feel like what they're starting to do
Speaker 8: is like blend some of that and then be like
Speaker 8: they had this partnership with a company called space Top too,
Speaker 8: they were trying to like float a lot of Windows apps.
Speaker 2: What happened to them?
Speaker 8: I they got absorbed into becoming what happened.
Speaker 2: And the R A R relight, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I met with them last when they were debuting stuff
Speaker 8: in the spring, which was like they backed off hardware,
Speaker 8: they started pivoting to doing more software because they wanted
Speaker 8: to run it directly off laptops versus having to buy
Speaker 8: a whole of separate product. But then I also feel like,
Speaker 8: in a lot of ways, that's what you're saying, who's
Speaker 8: the or project or for I feel like that if
Speaker 8: it runs eventually off a phone, it's got the Samsung
Speaker 8: project Deck stuff they've been doing for years, where it's
Speaker 8: like if you could make a thing and just carry
Speaker 8: your phone with you and carry glasses, that's more practical
Speaker 8: than carrying like a whole separate project I.
Speaker 1: Think that they're all trying to get away from admitting
Speaker 1: that they can't do this. Yeah, yeah, they can't do
Speaker 1: it yet Yeah, I feel fully like they've just they're like,
Speaker 1: well we've added Gemini.
Speaker 2: Do you like this? What is this good? Do you
Speaker 2: like Gemini?
Speaker 8: The AI stuff is the weirdest. I mean, obviously there's
Speaker 8: that's a whole we're on the show or you talk
Speaker 8: about them forever, but it's like I see it, like, yeah,
Speaker 8: that need to dump stuff like that? What interested me
Speaker 8: about the we're covering. I don't cover AI a lot
Speaker 8: because a lot of it I don't find that interesting.
Speaker 8: But I do find the idea of new interfaces. Could
Speaker 8: they find something new to do with it? Interesting? But
Speaker 8: they keep doing a little party tricks versus something that's
Speaker 8: like really really practical.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a vision Pro truth, and people do
Speaker 2: not like me for this.
Speaker 1: I've gotten it very unfair to me about this because
Speaker 1: I like the idea of like a like a like
Speaker 1: a different interface, like you said, like something you pop
Speaker 1: in the corner. And I really wanted this in the
Speaker 1: Vision Pro and I tried way too hot. I really
Speaker 1: tried to make that shit fit into my life. And
Speaker 1: it is an embarrassing device even when you're alone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just like you see yourself in it in any
Speaker 1: way like, oh, you've used it a law.
Speaker 8: I've used it a lot. But when I use it
Speaker 8: for it or two particular things, if I'm alone and
Speaker 8: I have it nearby, I will do work with it
Speaker 8: basically as a Mac monitor. And then I'll go because
Speaker 8: I don't have a monitor that's that big, and I go, oh,
Speaker 8: that's useful if I get into a flow with it,
Speaker 8: And then I'll watch movies because I don't have a
Speaker 8: TV that looks as good like that in a moment.
Speaker 8: I have an older TV, and so I like that
Speaker 8: as a personal cinema. But at that price. No, And
Speaker 8: I'll never carry it with me anywhere because.
Speaker 2: I whipped that baby out on the plane. I tried to.
Speaker 8: Keep people give you as a give I will, I
Speaker 8: will not. No, I had it.
Speaker 1: I watched June or like half of June on June
Speaker 1: on a plane, and I got the worst migraine I've
Speaker 1: had in my life, and it kept freaking out.
Speaker 2: It was like shaking because it's oh.
Speaker 8: Like with the travel movie.
Speaker 2: It was really mad at me. And there's also like
Speaker 2: I can navigate it to focus right.
Speaker 4: But I love the idea.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of like a pop up screen look.
Speaker 4: I really I like that a law.
Speaker 8: Well that's the way they were. A thing was interesting
Speaker 8: because I felt like it was like, Okay, let's take
Speaker 8: the practical, not I mean practical, relatively more practical and
Speaker 8: much lower cost of like a pair of glasses you
Speaker 8: take with you, but there are another pair of glasses,
Speaker 8: but it's like headphones for your eyes. But then like,
Speaker 8: could you do most of the vision pro stuff. The
Speaker 8: thing that I felt was like when I was at
Speaker 8: WWDC I as a test, I just kind of took
Speaker 8: the extra one pros with me and filed my stories
Speaker 8: while wearing them, which wasn't really painful at all, and
Speaker 8: it was nice because I could float the screen. It
Speaker 8: wasn't really painful at all.
Speaker 2: No, I'm no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I wasn't laughing you just like that's the endorsement, right,
Speaker 4: that's the nicest thing that anyone said about a pair
Speaker 4: of these glasses.
Speaker 8: But they actually held, but they held in there like
Speaker 8: I was in the in the heat. I floated the
Speaker 8: screen up and I was able to watch the keynote
Speaker 8: and work and it was like I didn't have to
Speaker 8: hunt over the laptop as much. I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: it's interesting, and like that's something you I would not
Speaker 8: ever be doing with a vision pro at all.
Speaker 2: So I thought, like you, David, you have you wear glasses?
Speaker 2: Would you do it?
Speaker 1: Why would you? I know that this is kind of
Speaker 1: a loaded question. Why would you not use these glasses?
Speaker 1: Like it's fine to give just like the truth.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the idea of it is, it's
Speaker 4: it's mostly a me issue. Like it's just a question
Speaker 4: of sort of being like if I'm gonna watch TV,
Speaker 4: I'll watch it through my glasses and not you know, pond.
Speaker 2: But I'm this is not one of those things.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of you know, like red lines in
Speaker 4: terms of like technology that I'm just simply not gonna
Speaker 4: be comfortable using. I'm not a young man, and there's
Speaker 4: a bunch of things that like I don't need.
Speaker 5: To Like.
Speaker 4: There was stuff like last year that there was like
Speaker 4: some you know, like it's a thing that jerks off
Speaker 4: for you. You know that it is like it's mounted
Speaker 4: on an arm and it's like, oh, I thought you're
Speaker 4: about glasses, Like where's that from?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 4: But right, yeah, I'm sorry that you at the end
Speaker 4: of the demo. But like all that the idea of
Speaker 4: like the glassest thing. I feel like it could be cool.
Speaker 4: I just I would wait until a trusted source was like,
Speaker 4: all right, it's actually cool, is the right? And I
Speaker 4: don't think I would want to I would want to
Speaker 4: use it for like recreation stuff, like what you were
Speaker 4: talking about, the idea of just kind of like being
Speaker 4: able to watch a movie or like have it be
Speaker 4: like a non embarrassing way to enjoy like a high
Speaker 4: quality television experience like that part's neat. I don't think
Speaker 4: i'd want to work on it.
Speaker 2: I don't know that. Like the invisible keyboard holds a
Speaker 2: great deal of appeal to me, but I see need
Speaker 2: to use like a real keyboard like the invisible keyboard.
Speaker 8: Now yeah, yeah, so like you, most of these are
Speaker 8: still use a real keyboard and nobody's cracked like virtual typing. Yeah,
Speaker 8: they keep they keep saying that they.
Speaker 4: Might entirely basically seeing commercials on TV and oh ye damn,
Speaker 4: look suckerbirds typing on nothing that's.
Speaker 8: Even matter, Like with the neural band that there's no
Speaker 8: there's no idea of even getting close to typing yet.
Speaker 8: But they do have this like handwriting on your leg
Speaker 8: thing that's going to come out but like I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't do handwriting, and I.
Speaker 1: My ordinational disability call dyspraxia, and the idea of those
Speaker 1: services working is really funny to me. Like for years
Speaker 1: I was I was told repeatedly like you have a
Speaker 1: doctor's handwriting, and I thought it was a compliment.
Speaker 2: It wasn't, it was not. It turns out I have
Speaker 2: a physical disability.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's even the metaclasses like when actually the
Speaker 1: episode with Victoria, I tried them on and it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: these are cool, And I was like, now what because
Speaker 1: if I walked around with these, not only would I
Speaker 1: look like a bell Land, which isn't a huge change,
Speaker 1: but it's just like you're just staring in the corner
Speaker 1: for the directions. It's like it's like no, it's like
Speaker 1: the people making them haven't walked around as a normal
Speaker 1: person before.
Speaker 4: And I think that's like the short answer to the
Speaker 4: question of like what would it take for me to
Speaker 4: use it? Yeah, like could I do it if I
Speaker 4: didn't have to like practice, Like you know, the exactly
Speaker 4: thing I can savorglasses is that I put them on
Speaker 4: every morning in the same I have the same user experience. Yeah,
Speaker 4: every single time, you know, and all I have to
Speaker 4: do is look through the lenses and I can see
Speaker 4: things lightly better. I'm curious about because this is something
Speaker 4: that like, I don't, you know, cover this area and
Speaker 4: like followed it as closely. How much better is this
Speaker 4: and how long did it take for things to get
Speaker 4: as good as they are now?
Speaker 8: That's a good question, And I feel like someone from
Speaker 8: the companies was like, why are you more interested in
Speaker 8: this now? And I was like, I don't know, because
Speaker 8: I feel like they started getting a little better. But
Speaker 8: it's it's all relatives, like I think like smart watches following,
Speaker 8: Like I remember covering smart watches in the world before
Speaker 8: the Apple Watch and the Google watches emerged, and it
Speaker 8: was like everyone's striving for random stuff and crap and
Speaker 8: some interesting things. But I find those territories before someone
Speaker 8: goes mainstream interesting because it's like striving for the moment
Speaker 8: that you're like the water's fine. So I feel like
Speaker 8: that's why I love covering those zones is it's like
Speaker 8: you see ideas being thrown against the wall, throw against
Speaker 8: the wall, and then you're like you get there, but
Speaker 8: now I feel like you could something crossed over where
Speaker 8: it's like the meta ray bands became legitimately okay to
Speaker 8: wear if you're going on like vacation.
Speaker 2: I found them no stylistic. It's like the Royal Orbison machine,
Speaker 2: Like they already wear glass. You couldn't pull them off.
Speaker 4: That's a thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I'm like, they literally are like the glasses
Speaker 8: I'm wearing now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's That's like the real breakthrough is that,
Speaker 4: like if you are the type of person that wears
Speaker 4: that type of frame, like the water, the problem is solved.
Speaker 4: If you don't like that, there are some companies doing
Speaker 4: do you want to do the zoomer wire rim things
Speaker 4: where the lenses are the exact same size as your eyes.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you can't check your emails.
Speaker 8: They can't. The closest thing to that is like I've
Speaker 8: been testing out Even Realities, which is another company that
Speaker 8: makes the G two glasses, and they're like more of
Speaker 8: a metal thin frame. But the only thing is that
Speaker 8: not only they weren't functioning that well on the floor
Speaker 8: here because everything interferes and stuff, but also they don't
Speaker 8: have they don't have audio, they don't do camera stuff,
Speaker 8: which also people might really like they have a display
Speaker 8: but only for a couple of functions, and you're kind
Speaker 8: of and it goes to that, like why am I
Speaker 8: doing this? But you might not notice their glasses. So
Speaker 8: everyone's like getting to these Like like, would I tell
Speaker 8: a friend the water's fine there, No, I'd be like.
Speaker 8: And even smart watches now, I still feel like if
Speaker 8: I was, I'm not reviewing them so much now, but
Speaker 8: I would say, like, you don't need a smart watch,
Speaker 8: you know, it's like they never got to the point
Speaker 8: where you needed them. But I would go, okay, but
Speaker 8: if you want to get one, they're they're okay, You'll
Speaker 8: be okay with them. And I feel like the problem
Speaker 8: with the ray bands and all these things that you
Speaker 8: have to recharge them. So the ray Ban Gen two's
Speaker 8: get up to eight hours of battery, but it's really
Speaker 8: like four to eight. So at least they don't they
Speaker 8: don't crap out at noon, but they will go down
Speaker 8: at like three pm. And then you're like, I have
Speaker 8: to put them in the case to charge, so I
Speaker 8: have to bring out another pair of glasses, and you're like,
Speaker 8: this is a broken.
Speaker 2: If the jewel wheel two glasses, you have to dual wheel.
Speaker 8: So I'm always swapping glasses, but I say, is it
Speaker 8: to me? They're like vacation glasses more where it's like
Speaker 8: I've been to theme parks, I record on the rides
Speaker 8: for fun because it's like, no more your face. And
Speaker 8: also if you're at a super busy event like this,
Speaker 8: or you're like at an airport, like and this is
Speaker 8: such a niche thing, but it's like someone's calling and
Speaker 8: you don't want to reach for your phone or your
Speaker 8: or your air pods. But that's like a first super
Speaker 8: that's like an ultra first world too many gadgets problem,
Speaker 8: but it is kind of nice to just be like, oh,
Speaker 8: I can answer them and not have to do something.
Speaker 8: But could I justify that people who have like vision
Speaker 8: impairment or other things that if I've heard about that
Speaker 8: been using that for that? That is interesting. But the
Speaker 8: companies I feel are not making enough. I can't speak
Speaker 8: to the assistive landscape, but I don't think there's enough
Speaker 8: effort being made to really have deeper, helpful use of that.
Speaker 8: I feel like everyone's still taking like bits and stabs
Speaker 8: at that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I imagine that's part of like you have
Speaker 4: to appeal to the people that have the money and
Speaker 4: that are like trying to get you to do this
Speaker 4: stuff and so like that. I remember that being like
Speaker 4: a big through line. Last year is the first time
Speaker 4: I've been to CES, and I remember there were all
Speaker 4: these technologies that seemed legitimately like miraculous to me for
Speaker 4: people that have very little motion. It's like a non
Speaker 4: invasive chip that makes it possible for you to like
Speaker 4: communicate and move about, and it was really cool. But
Speaker 4: I remember, like Ed and I were at ed Angueiso,
Speaker 4: We're at that that stand, and it was until we
Speaker 4: talked to one of the engineering people. They were trying
Speaker 4: to sell it as some sort of like like a
Speaker 4: hack for like people working at fast food places. They're like,
Speaker 4: what if you've been touching chicken and then you got
Speaker 4: to handle money. This way, you don't have to do it.
Speaker 4: You can just make a series of micro gestures and
Speaker 4: that will open the cash register. And it was like, well,
Speaker 4: that's way dumber.
Speaker 1: And also I'm making fifteen dollars an hour, but I
Speaker 1: will go on to eight hours of surgery with a neurosurgeon,
Speaker 1: costing me eighty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: It was not invasive, but it was the same sort
Speaker 4: of thing where it was just like, just say it's
Speaker 4: for fucking helping people, dude.
Speaker 2: Like it's not is that so bad?
Speaker 4: But the thing is it's everyone.
Speaker 1: It's like one leg in one place, one leg in,
Speaker 1: and they other a natural phrase that where it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be an assisted device, but also regular people
Speaker 1: could use it. We're not really going to try for
Speaker 1: either because you really kind of have to choose because
Speaker 1: that was the smart cane last year, which at first
Speaker 1: I wanted and I may have made fun of, but
Speaker 1: it's actually like we can help people who find like
Speaker 1: great stuff that was a direct focused product for a problem.
Speaker 2: The glasses are like do you want to record yourself
Speaker 2: making dinner? And you want this?
Speaker 1: And there's assisted feature just too if you've got.
Speaker 4: Something wrong with you.
Speaker 1: But it's just this weird thing where it's they want
Speaker 1: to sell, they want to find the next growth pig,
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, it's gonna be glasses, I fucking guess.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 3: The main thing about wear Bulls is like you have
Speaker 3: to actually be someone who wears the non technological version
Speaker 3: of it first for it to speak to you, Like
Speaker 3: I don't wear glasses, whether it be prescription or sunglasses,
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't buy a smart glass product. I don't
Speaker 3: wear a watch, so I wouldn't buy a smart watch
Speaker 3: because I don't need for it. You know, it's it
Speaker 3: that's like the main leap for it. Like I okay,
Speaker 3: So I went to a private raizor dem the you
Speaker 3: know company, and so they actually they were selling. They
Speaker 3: were they have a project they're working on that's a
Speaker 3: prototype that's smart headphones. Hold of those and now so
Speaker 3: they're there selling point for it is you know, if
Speaker 3: you aren't someone who wears glasses, you know, there's more
Speaker 3: people who do wear headphones. Everyone listens to music, but
Speaker 3: not everyone wears sunglasses. Right, So this they put all
Speaker 3: that like all those like uh smart features accept the
Speaker 3: display because obviously it's a headset in the headphones. So
Speaker 3: basically the headphones have this little camera on the side
Speaker 3: and that's your AI assistant. It can like you're looking
Speaker 3: at a menu, like reading like a menu at a
Speaker 3: restaurant in like Japan or something.
Speaker 4: That was the demo they showed.
Speaker 3: Then the headphones can see the Japanese writing and translate
Speaker 3: it to you in the headphones. Another thing they brought
Speaker 3: up is how smart glasses. When they do translation features,
Speaker 3: everyone in the vicinity could hear the smart glasses to you,
Speaker 3: whereas the headphones, because it's in the headphone set, only
Speaker 3: you hear the AI assistant talk to you. Another thing
Speaker 3: they brought up is how you know smart glasses can
Speaker 3: get hot and uncomfortable on your face. Headphones are bigger
Speaker 3: and they're not directly on your face, so they're more
Speaker 3: comfortable to wear.
Speaker 4: That was their selling point. But again, I feel like,
Speaker 4: in my.
Speaker 3: Opinion, the reason to use smart glasses is for specific
Speaker 3: use cases in the moment, for display purposes, not AI
Speaker 3: assistant features. But that's just my mind because that's not
Speaker 3: my cup of tea. But I guess if you're, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to sell a product to as many people as possible,
Speaker 3: smart headphones actually do sort of make more sense than
Speaker 3: they smart glasses. It's very much in the prototype stage.
Speaker 4: They don't even have a price.
Speaker 8: They just said it would be competitive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Kind of like how many They always always like you're
Speaker 1: in a foreign country, you're gonna you're gonna look at
Speaker 1: a menu.
Speaker 2: You don't honestly, how often are you fuck is traveling it?
Speaker 3: But that's that sort of shows that the because I
Speaker 3: bet a lot of these guys because they work for
Speaker 3: tech companies with big budgets, they probably are traveling a lot.
Speaker 4: They're probably in Japan and China. What's the number one issue?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: When you're in Singapore and you're and you don't know
Speaker 2: what to eat?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What are their number one issues?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: When your third vacation home, you're the nearby places just
Speaker 1: don't have anything in English and you can't scream at
Speaker 1: the waiter until you understand. So you've got your smart headphone,
Speaker 1: and I guess do they even sound good? Like I've
Speaker 1: had to raise a headset? They sound fine. I get
Speaker 1: back to the thing I was saying last last chunk
Speaker 1: of this show. It's like they're a fucking smart headphone. Fuck,
Speaker 1: you make headphones look fit. None of my headphones ever
Speaker 1: fit in my fucking weird goblin is like, that's the thing,
Speaker 1: my mother.
Speaker 4: They're over the ear headphones. They're not air buds.
Speaker 1: Great, Okay, So now they can maybe come up with
Speaker 1: a reason because it's just like, okay, I can use
Speaker 1: Gemini with them or some such bullshit like well, and.
Speaker 8: That's the other thing too, I found with these like
Speaker 8: to go. It just made me think about this going
Speaker 8: on this tangent think about AI and glasses. There's a
Speaker 8: lot that's frustrating. But like, first of all, the meta
Speaker 8: stuff always feels like a weird experiment that I'm never using,
Speaker 8: and when I do, I feel like I'm playing a
Speaker 8: weird like immersive game where I'm just like talking to
Speaker 8: something and I have no idea what it's saying is correct,
Speaker 8: And then it's mostly this conversation. It becomes it really
Speaker 8: becomes like a like a performance art where I'm sort
Speaker 8: of like what type of tree? Like I'll stand in
Speaker 8: my town, I'll be like, what type of tree?
Speaker 1: Is this?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 8: I don't know what to ask it? When it's like
Speaker 8: you know, yeah, AI is like you know, it's an
Speaker 8: open door, ask it whatever you want. I'm like, I
Speaker 8: don't have any idea where to start, like is this?
Speaker 8: I end up with things like is that a bench?
Speaker 4: What is this?
Speaker 11: What is this?
Speaker 8: What is this shoe? And then I don't know And
Speaker 8: then and then they'll say things like you were in
Speaker 8: a lot of is descriptive, which could help like assistive
Speaker 8: to be like you're in a you're in a large
Speaker 8: room with a chair, but I don't need to know that.
Speaker 8: So it's like it looks like a comfy red cushion
Speaker 8: is there and a person and it will get things
Speaker 8: wrong and then it'll apologize and then it's like this
Speaker 8: strange demos like a play. It's like a weird A
Speaker 8: lot of performances are a.
Speaker 3: Lot of the demos that show off these AI features
Speaker 3: really do act like you're an alien that just can't dark.
Speaker 2: That's so yeah, It's just it's like their old babies.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck is that? That's a bus?
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like almost all of this technology,
Speaker 4: like for as long as I've been I mean not
Speaker 4: even I don't write about it really, but like just
Speaker 4: sort of observing it is it. A lot of it
Speaker 4: is solving problems that I consider to be just like
Speaker 4: basically solved, Like you go to the grocery store.
Speaker 1: Well, just like I don't walk around being like if
Speaker 1: I don't know what something is, as long as it's
Speaker 1: not like a.
Speaker 4: Creature they getting it wrong and then being like great,
Speaker 4: point dude, like that rather, you know, like.
Speaker 8: It goes back to like if you can't really see
Speaker 8: it and you want assistance, that's interesting if you want
Speaker 8: to read something, which maybe if you're a bad vision, okay,
Speaker 8: but like what am I doing? I don't trust there's
Speaker 8: no advice it can give me, like the whole Like
Speaker 8: there is a continuing demo in Glasses about like look
Speaker 8: in a pantry and get cooking advice. That is a
Speaker 8: the sock demo where you're like, am I ever staring
Speaker 8: at a bunch of cans and asking? And then what
Speaker 8: is it going to tell me? Like you could make
Speaker 8: a soup with the carrots and the tomato.
Speaker 3: If I'm looking at a pantry and I don't know
Speaker 3: what I want to make, I'm just the type of
Speaker 3: person who's going to go for the microwaveable TV dinner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to use the AI to tell
Speaker 4: me what to make because I don't cook.
Speaker 8: If I don't know what on my phone, Like if
Speaker 8: there's a phone, you're probably exactly. It's also the other
Speaker 8: thing with it is that you're you were more than
Speaker 8: anything else, shoehorn. You're funneled into using the AI, and
Speaker 8: usually it's one AI. It was like on your phone,
Speaker 8: you've got a million or anything else, you got a
Speaker 8: million ways to check stuff, and so you're like, why
Speaker 8: am I trapped in this one? It's like it's like
Speaker 8: I'm relying on a strange assistant friend to like do
Speaker 8: things for me, and it makes me feel kind of helpless.
Speaker 8: So it's like, I just want to go do this thing,
Speaker 8: and it's like I have to ask assistant person to
Speaker 8: kind of fumble away to do it, and like I'm gonna,
Speaker 8: of course, you're gonna take out your phone.
Speaker 3: And they do all these like over the top convoluted features.
Speaker 3: And I just mentioned how I'm not a sunglass or
Speaker 3: eyeglass wearer, so I have no interest in the smart glasses.
Speaker 3: But I actually did, for a specific use case, look
Speaker 3: into the meta glasses. So when my kids play soccer
Speaker 3: and when I go to a game, I would love
Speaker 3: to not be able to not have to hold my
Speaker 3: phone to real Well, that makes sense, I would love
Speaker 3: to have it on record. But then you looked into
Speaker 3: the details of those video recordings. The meta sunglasses can't
Speaker 3: record longer than a thirty second clip at a time, well.
Speaker 8: Third, three minutes, now sonnutes.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, those soccer games are longer than.
Speaker 8: Like, there's no reason they should they should allow you
Speaker 8: to do it till the battery right now, like.
Speaker 3: An actual good use case for it that a lot
Speaker 3: of people parents would go ape shit over something like that.
Speaker 3: And they're spending there instead of spending the time on
Speaker 3: can we make the video record longer than three minutes?
Speaker 3: They're spending their time on all the AI features that
Speaker 3: I can't think of any.
Speaker 2: Regular use case.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense though if you take it
Speaker 1: from the perspective it's a tech executive.
Speaker 2: It's like, what do people do when they cook?
Speaker 1: Well, of course they walk into their pantry, which they've
Speaker 1: not been infant sometime, and they go.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is all this? What?
Speaker 1: Why are the tomatoes in a can? Usually someone brings these?
Speaker 1: How do I get them out?
Speaker 2: Bagging it? Just bagging it against and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: ALEXA free, these tomatoes.
Speaker 1: Break open the ca. But it's also like, okay, how
Speaker 1: long how long will they need to do clips? Well,
Speaker 1: what what do children do?
Speaker 2: Tiktoks? Tiktoks? Thirty s that's enough.
Speaker 3: How much time these tech executives probably spend with have
Speaker 3: they ever have they ever attended one of their kids?
Speaker 2: So yeah, how long do I spend with them?
Speaker 8: No one who records a video for longer than thirty seconds.
Speaker 4: It's one how long could it last? Yeah?
Speaker 8: What are you a monster? Making a ten minute video?
Speaker 2: Three minutes and then I've got all Jimmy. It's sad.
Speaker 8: It's also like they don't these glasses do not full.
Speaker 8: And this is the thing I was interested about with
Speaker 8: Google with project Or, is that they're trying to connect
Speaker 8: with your phone. Like the other part of this is
Speaker 8: that these things don't even do all the things to
Speaker 8: connect with your phone that you would expect to. There's
Speaker 8: a lot of broken paths where it's like whether it's
Speaker 8: like Siria, as much as you might not like Siri
Speaker 8: or or Gemini or anything else you used to do,
Speaker 8: like earbuds on your phone, doing some basic things that
Speaker 8: connect these break that path. These will have another thing
Speaker 8: you're dealing with meta AI, and it's like the oldies
Speaker 8: of smart watchers, where like the hookens are like, oh,
Speaker 8: it's got one thing for this, but not that, and
Speaker 8: this doesn't do that thing, and so you have to
Speaker 8: like discover like a puzzle because none of the phone
Speaker 8: companies have opened up good paths. It's also frustrating on
Speaker 8: that end, but that's like how do you even if
Speaker 8: you don't get to the point where you can at
Speaker 8: least work with the phone that you got. That's a
Speaker 8: big problem, Like it needs to do at least everything
Speaker 8: that you want. Even on the Samsung Galaxy XR. The
Speaker 8: AI was like that Gemini Live thing was kind of
Speaker 8: interesting in that it could see everything in the room
Speaker 8: in your screens. But then I would ask it to
Speaker 8: like close an app, and it was like, okay, to
Speaker 8: do that, move an arrow over to the X and
Speaker 8: close it. And I was like, you're telling me how
Speaker 8: to close the app.
Speaker 2: You're the what if I You're in there already, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right there.
Speaker 8: It's not like it's more like they're testing it. Then
Speaker 8: they have an idea of what you should be doing
Speaker 8: with this. It's like it's like if I go to
Speaker 8: a restaurant, I want a menu of like interesting things
Speaker 8: that you're gonna tell me, like what are my choices?
Speaker 8: And here it's like in the AI land, it's like
Speaker 8: what do you want in our magic kitchen? And it's
Speaker 8: like I don't even know, don't give me choice browses.
Speaker 8: I'm like what and then you ask and then sure
Speaker 8: enough it can't do some of those things. So it's like,
Speaker 8: why did you ask me? I get mad. I'm like,
Speaker 8: just give me a menu of like five options.
Speaker 2: I've been saying for a while.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what, Ai'd be useful for getting
Speaker 1: through all the fucking menus they've added to my goddamn phone,
Speaker 1: the one hundred different options in the settings of my
Speaker 1: iPhone that is now like one part it's like, do
Speaker 1: you need to subscribe to Apple Music? Like I'm already subscribed.
Speaker 1: I'm already a pay pig. You've already got me tim
Speaker 1: And it's just like, no, we can't close the menu.
Speaker 1: But what if we looked in your pantry and came
Speaker 1: up with an idea and it's just does it work
Speaker 1: every time?
Speaker 2: God? No, no, no, no, no, no, don't we don't
Speaker 2: do that here. We just we guess ish And I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 5: It's I wonder.
Speaker 1: I genuinely I don't think they'll talk to me for
Speaker 1: many reasons, but I kind of want to just grab
Speaker 1: one of them and scream, I mean, just talk to
Speaker 1: one of them and say have you ever existed?
Speaker 2: Like what do you what does your day look like?
Speaker 1: Because like I don't know. When I cook, I like
Speaker 1: go and see what's in the fridge. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a challenge. It's like a little chit, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll work out what the fuck I'm gonna put together
Speaker 1: with whatever, like the eighteen diet cokes and the three
Speaker 1: pieces of old meat and they're like, oh, get some
Speaker 1: seasoning and just eating raw.
Speaker 2: But it's like you, that's part of being a human.
Speaker 1: It's like, what if we remove the friction, well, not
Speaker 1: really the friction, what if we added friction an idea.
Speaker 2: It's just very sad.
Speaker 1: It's just sad.
Speaker 8: It's sad, but it feels like like many things, AI
Speaker 8: is forcing the hand and kind of ruining the landscape.
Speaker 8: It reminds me of like, among many things in the metaverse,
Speaker 8: I thought it was interesting following the philosophy of the meta,
Speaker 8: Like I'm gonna say, I thought the ideas in the
Speaker 8: metaverse are interesting. But then you could see it turning
Speaker 8: over hyping, cryptoifying, becoming whatever, and nobody knew what the
Speaker 8: hell it was, and everything became this hype cycle and
Speaker 8: it blew out, And I feel like AI is in
Speaker 8: that space where it's like beyond other things, nobody everyone's
Speaker 8: so rushing that nobody's thinking about any philosophical ideas that
Speaker 8: are important, But at the point is that glasses now
Speaker 8: feel like a place where all that AI hype is
Speaker 8: being forced in fast as opposed to like, how are
Speaker 8: you going to use these on like a design area
Speaker 8: VR for all the people would shit on it. I
Speaker 8: do admire thinking back that like VR headsets, you could
Speaker 8: really do a lot of things in them in terms
Speaker 8: of knowing how to navigate them, and glasses are just like, oh,
Speaker 8: they're going to be in your life, but nobody's really
Speaker 8: come up with any inner Even the Orion things were
Speaker 8: like and.
Speaker 2: That's like the ten thousand dollar METSA.
Speaker 8: One, the one that doesn't yeah, the one that doesn't
Speaker 8: exist yet. But like even like a ray Bann Displaze,
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, you're just swipe swipe swiping through apps,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, nobody came up with a better way
Speaker 8: to do that, because it's like I don't want to
Speaker 8: swipe swipe.
Speaker 4: Like the idea of just being like it's just another
Speaker 4: way to jam you into our stack. The future you
Speaker 4: might be spending all of you know, like whatever our
Speaker 4: interface versus the other interface versus.
Speaker 8: You would have like some new idea like it doesn't
Speaker 8: have to be like a new idea for new ideas sake,
Speaker 8: but it's like, could it be less annoying than other stuff? Right?
Speaker 8: And if it's not so, I feel like nobody has
Speaker 8: really solved that yet. I'm curious if it'll happen. That's
Speaker 8: why I love covering this. It is curious. All Right,
Speaker 8: we're gonna wrap this this thirty minute bit for now.
Speaker 8: Matt bennefam Mashable of course joining us. We've got Scott
Speaker 8: Stein from Sena and of course David Roth and I'm
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Speaker 1: And we were just talking about pepcom, which is a
Speaker 1: show I can't rememberfer that's Show Stoppers or Pepcom.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't let me.
Speaker 4: Into They're all very similar.
Speaker 3: So the media days when before it even ces officially
Speaker 3: opens to the public. There's the first three nights of
Speaker 3: ces there's like this big like exhibition type event, right,
Speaker 3: first night's unveiled, second night's pepcom, third night is showstoppers.
Speaker 3: And basically these companies, a lot of them smaller tech startups,
Speaker 3: basically use these as an opportunity to get some attention
Speaker 3: because no one really seeks these companies out of events
Speaker 3: because no one knows who the fuck they are before
Speaker 3: they get to cees and see them. Last year, for example,
Speaker 3: the Big Winner unveiled and I covered it, I think
Speaker 3: even spoke about it on this show.
Speaker 2: Last year was the Salt Spoony.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, salt and we got very sawcastic and it
Speaker 1: turned out to actually be very useful for specific people.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but like it was for people don't know.
Speaker 3: It was a spoon that basically for people who couldn't
Speaker 3: eat foods with salt like situation, instead of just being
Speaker 3: stuck eating plain foods, they take a scoop of their
Speaker 3: soup with no salt, and the spoon sent like a
Speaker 3: zapp that you can't feel into the spoon, which like
Speaker 3: lights up your taste buds and makes it and like
Speaker 3: tricks your tongue into thinking the food taste salty.
Speaker 8: And it worked.
Speaker 2: I tried it out.
Speaker 3: I was pretty shocked that it worked, but it worked.
Speaker 3: And that's an example of sort of the weird type
Speaker 3: of stuff you could find at these like ces exhibition
Speaker 3: type shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you seen anything weird and unveiled at all?
Speaker 3: There was a chess playing robot, and you wonder, like,
Speaker 3: what's the market for that, Like you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Buy you can walk into any Paul in New York
Speaker 1: and find seven old men for free for free.
Speaker 2: Well, no, they will hustle, just like yeah, sit down,
Speaker 2: young blood.
Speaker 4: The chess had nearly as interesting a life. Whoever, the
Speaker 4: guy is a Dana Moora for twenty two years and
Speaker 4: it takes fifty dollars from you over the course of
Speaker 4: a few games of chess.
Speaker 8: It's also like, there are so many programs to play chess,
Speaker 8: like why would you need the actual road.
Speaker 3: Chess don't like yeah, people don't no, no, like you
Speaker 3: just mentioned yeah those three point one right you play?
Speaker 3: You play against the robot regularly on your computer. This
Speaker 3: is a physical chess board with a robot that sits
Speaker 3: on the other side of you and physically like has
Speaker 3: a claw that comes down and moves the pieces, which
Speaker 3: which is weird because I've seen technological like chess sets
Speaker 3: that basically have like a mechanism underneath the poor right
Speaker 3: that just like slides the piece, which seems I mean,
Speaker 3: if you absolutely need a physical robotic chess board, that
Speaker 3: seems like the more practical version then having this it was.
Speaker 2: Like a humanoid, was it?
Speaker 3: Just it was like a BB eight sized robot sitting
Speaker 3: across from you with the mechanical arm.
Speaker 2: But that was moving the chess paces.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was sort of like, first of all, like this
Speaker 3: looks very expensive, So I don't know who you're gonna
Speaker 3: sell this to. I guess people who want to show
Speaker 3: off their robot playing chess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a great thing that would be
Speaker 2: in Drake's home. It's not like, all right, we already.
Speaker 4: You're not doing great if you have this product.
Speaker 8: Bespoke chess robot.
Speaker 5: Check this out.
Speaker 4: I don't care like this.
Speaker 2: Just look at really how fast? Was it really slow?
Speaker 5: As well?
Speaker 2: Please tell me it was really slow.
Speaker 4: It wasn't very slow. It was this normal speed.
Speaker 2: That's if I want one of those.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like like really fucking like just barely,
Speaker 1: like it takes like half an in it, yeah, or or.
Speaker 4: Like an arcade claw machine and it sometimes just drops
Speaker 4: these like just randomly.
Speaker 5: Us.
Speaker 1: I love this so but so the did you talk
Speaker 1: to them at all? Because I have way more questions
Speaker 1: for them than anyone else so far. I did it
Speaker 1: because I thought that I looked at it and I
Speaker 1: was like I thought of the chest that those chessboards
Speaker 1: that have the mechanism underneath that, like, what is the
Speaker 1: point of this? I don't know, I should have Maybe
Speaker 1: if I see them again, I'll inquire more for you,
Speaker 1: please do I must not be anything anything else.
Speaker 3: We like there was this thing that like I don't
Speaker 3: even know how to explain it. It was like I
Speaker 3: just saw it in motion. It was like this this
Speaker 3: almost like a roller type thing that you would lay
Speaker 3: down and it rolls under your back.
Speaker 4: I guess it's like to give you a massage.
Speaker 2: Actually sound it was.
Speaker 3: It was weird looking though, because like if you know,
Speaker 3: like in like cartoons when they go down like one
Speaker 3: of those like slides that have like the up and
Speaker 3: down things, and the cartoon like body goes like yeah
Speaker 3: in a way that your back can't go.
Speaker 4: This thing was like making it look like cartoon people
Speaker 4: the way they were their backs, we were contorting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wanted to try it, but there was a pretty
Speaker 4: long line for it.
Speaker 2: I love that I did.
Speaker 8: I think one of our colleagues, Bridget, did a demo
Speaker 8: of that was talking about it afterwards, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: is it is it?
Speaker 4: Is it like meant to like give you like to
Speaker 4: fix your back.
Speaker 8: I didn't really get to think she found it fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she found it Okay. The endorsement, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I think it was fine.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of that stuff that I remember
Speaker 4: seeing last year, a lot of the sort of like
Speaker 4: robotic assistant things like it seemed like the basically like
Speaker 4: the best you could hope for from it. Is like,
Speaker 4: I did not experience whiplash from right sitting in this
Speaker 4: gaming chair that moves at its own like a chord
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 8: No physical damage is a whim.
Speaker 2: Fine functions, Fine, the robot did not harm me.
Speaker 4: If you want to put that on the poster, you can, Like.
Speaker 8: We have a colleague wearing an exoskeleton walking around.
Speaker 2: Evans has one of those two I know, and was going, I.
Speaker 8: Think he likes it. He actually got it for real
Speaker 8: therapeutic purposes, for like his his hip or something. But
Speaker 8: it's fascinating. I was like, we're at the show where
Speaker 8: I see people casually wearing exos, Elton's or you know
Speaker 8: whatever you would call them, like, and I think someone
Speaker 8: else is testing out one. I had a really hard
Speaker 8: time at Unveiled finding weird tech. And that's actually my
Speaker 8: my my judging zone. I was supposed to look weird tech.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 8: I had a sort of existential crisis where I wandered
Speaker 8: around trying. That's also hard, like maybe if you try
Speaker 8: to find it, it doesn't find no thought.
Speaker 3: I thought the same thing, and I think that what
Speaker 3: happened this year was usually the weird tech is very
Speaker 3: visually appealing.
Speaker 8: Yes, there were no visually you.
Speaker 1: Need to go to the corner of the convention center
Speaker 1: into like the like shin Zen Jao Corporation where it's
Speaker 1: like where it's like cameras, cameras, batteries, dildos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time that it's like.
Speaker 1: This eighteen wood long thing and it has like it's
Speaker 1: just a printed white piece a.
Speaker 4: Pipe, so visually unappealing, how like what it just kind
Speaker 4: of like featureless?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Usually when we go to these things, we
Speaker 3: have a video team that comes with us, and we
Speaker 3: try to find things that will basically translate on video.
Speaker 3: Like someone will will see the thumbnail or a clip
Speaker 3: as they're scrolling.
Speaker 2: By and be like, Oh, this looks really damn chess.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like there really wasn't much of that in
Speaker 3: terms of visually, like you know, okay, give I'll give
Speaker 3: you an example, like this is another thing I wanted
Speaker 3: to bring up.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of I noticed all like baby
Speaker 4: related tech.
Speaker 3: But to me, I'm thinking, like a lot of this
Speaker 3: stuff is for like very small bait like newborn, and
Speaker 3: you're gonna like spend this money on something that's gonna
Speaker 3: last you like maybe six months. So there was one
Speaker 3: thing I don't remember the name of the device, but
Speaker 3: it's this monitor that goes on your baby's ankle. No,
Speaker 3: it's a different company. I can't remember if but no,
Speaker 3: Allen is a is a company that makes baby stuff. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: you're not wrong, but it's an a monitor for babies
Speaker 3: that track their alcohol and.
Speaker 8: Off the car deactivates the cars.
Speaker 4: They can't know, but it was it tracks their heartbeat
Speaker 4: and the point of it.
Speaker 2: And that's useful like this, this is like the set
Speaker 2: like the Wids and Sudden.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 3: The way they were selling it was so parents know
Speaker 3: when the best the optimal time is to place your
Speaker 3: baby in the crib so they don't wake up.
Speaker 2: Nice baby hacking. Yes, finally, yes.
Speaker 3: So it like I guess it tracks their heart rate
Speaker 3: and the optimal heart rate. I guess when they're in
Speaker 3: a deep sleep, it lights up a certain color and
Speaker 3: that's when the optimal time is to put your baby
Speaker 3: down psychotic And like I listen, I I wouldn't buy
Speaker 3: something like that to put I want to put an
Speaker 3: ankle monitor on my baby. But I could see if
Speaker 3: you're a desperate parents who's having trouble there, maybe you
Speaker 3: would look into that solution. But also, like, unless it's
Speaker 3: priced very cheaply, I can't imagine buying something that you're
Speaker 3: gonna use a few months.
Speaker 1: This sounds like something someone who remembers having kids built.
Speaker 1: Like someone was like, yeah, you know what full my
Speaker 1: baby there is crying?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it is like definitely an experience that
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not a man of child personally, but
Speaker 4: it is like a man child. But I'm just saying
Speaker 4: I'm an active uncle. You know, I'm a very engaged uncle.
Speaker 4: But it is uncle, and it is one of those things.
Speaker 4: I'm yeah, I'm a chopped unk and I'm not afraid
Speaker 4: to come on here and talk as such.
Speaker 3: No cap, now that you bring that up, this does
Speaker 3: sound like a device that the uncle would buy, yeahs
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's uncle tech.
Speaker 4: Yes, I heard these things don't like to sleep, so
Speaker 4: I got you a thing. They will tell you when
Speaker 4: it's asleep.
Speaker 8: You can maximize your baby. You're like.
Speaker 2: Your baby maxing.
Speaker 8: It's supposed to be good.
Speaker 4: It is funny though, like the idea, I mean like
Speaker 4: it's as funny and it is very funny to me.
Speaker 2: The idea of being like you must optimize your toddler like.
Speaker 4: That is that's funny to me. But it's also like
Speaker 4: it's a reflection of who is like funding this ship
Speaker 4: and who is coming up with these ideas, like in
Speaker 4: terms of what is the experience that you would want
Speaker 4: the most from your baby, And it's like you want
Speaker 4: them to be healthy, you want to be happy, you
Speaker 4: want them to sleep. But then there's this other element
Speaker 4: where it's like and you must excel as like a parent,
Speaker 4: like I think what.
Speaker 1: It is is like the venture capitalist, and this is
Speaker 1: not necessarily like therefore, I guess, but like a venture
Speaker 1: capitalist is by definition probably pretty well off, so they
Speaker 1: probably have like a lot more parental support. I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you're funding baby take, you should go and just
Speaker 1: talk to the most stressed babyona.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a kid. I really shouldn't be like
Speaker 2: babyonas if I don't have one. But this was much
Speaker 2: older than that.
Speaker 4: I kept thinking about last year. It is like where
Speaker 4: is the consumer in the consumer electronics? Yeah, and there
Speaker 4: were devices that and the stuff I remember from the
Speaker 4: floor most fondly last year were like old fashioned American
Speaker 4: inventions with a technological aspect. It was like, it's a
Speaker 4: dog door that opens because your dog collar has a
Speaker 4: chip in it so it recognizes that it's your dog
Speaker 4: and it's not letting in a raccoon or a prowler
Speaker 4: or whatever, and like that's not, you know, groundbreaking, but
Speaker 4: it's like all right, cool, Like I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a machine that sits on your calendar.
Speaker 2: It makes soft serve ice cream sick.
Speaker 4: Fuck me up. My kitchen is way too small to
Speaker 4: have that. But it would be great if it were
Speaker 4: we like ice cream, but yes, you can see where
Speaker 4: the consumer is and all of that. And then the
Speaker 4: ones that always kind of blew me away were like
Speaker 4: beyond the stuff that's just like kind of junk or
Speaker 4: like white label or just over abstracted. Yeah, is the
Speaker 4: stuff like this where it's like you have this miraculous
Speaker 4: technical capacity and no sense of what an ordinary person
Speaker 4: might use it for it and you clearly didn't ask,
Speaker 4: like you never try to get that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of why I'm going. And it's like, have
Speaker 1: you talked to a parent. I don't mean a fucking
Speaker 1: parent clearing a quarter of a million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: I mean like a fucking parent who has got two
Speaker 1: children and a part time job and is fucking suffering
Speaker 1: because the outlet suck is like useful because it can
Speaker 1: like monitor the baby, make sure that something infantestiner doesn't
Speaker 1: have like mountless hot rate and breathing and such like
Speaker 1: useful things to make sure your kid is alive, like
Speaker 1: very meaningful stuff.
Speaker 2: It's only for six months, but man, you.
Speaker 1: Really want to make sure they are life all of
Speaker 1: the month's ideally, But it's like there's a real thing,
Speaker 1: but it's just like, yeah, great, you can make sure
Speaker 1: your baby's heart rate. No, you put the kid down
Speaker 1: when it fucking is ready, like when the kid is
Speaker 1: ready to sleep and you just fucking sit there and.
Speaker 2: Go, fuck, it's just please please please just go to sleep.
Speaker 2: Please don't do this to me. Please, Matt. You've got kids, y, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Got three, but each each one of them was different
Speaker 4: about the sleep thing.
Speaker 3: But I can't imagine using the thing that any of
Speaker 3: them simply because like, is there is there really even
Speaker 3: an optimal time?
Speaker 2: Like? Why else? So was this an ankle monitor?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It goes. It's it's a they you strap it on
Speaker 3: their their leg, like around their ankle, and it's like
Speaker 3: a circular device and it lights up red when it's
Speaker 3: definitely not time.
Speaker 2: It lights up on their leg yes, and then what's
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 3: And then lights up green when it's almost time when
Speaker 3: they're drifting off this.
Speaker 1: Can I just be clear you're talking about attaching it
Speaker 1: flashing light to a newborn's ankle, yes, newbornes. And my
Speaker 1: distinct experience and new born is that sock just fucking
Speaker 1: comes off all the time. So you're like giving a
Speaker 1: flashing light to a baby.
Speaker 2: You gotta really clamp it on there. But I got
Speaker 2: to get it on tight.
Speaker 1: You don't think the baby's gonna see the flashing light
Speaker 1: one of the only things that can recognize in the
Speaker 1: complete I'm just fuck with it constantly because that's what you.
Speaker 8: I want one of those for like my seventeen year old,
Speaker 8: just to kind of be like, how you doing? Can
Speaker 8: I monitor your ankle?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's that cool?
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 4: If I get a push alert for our whole let
Speaker 4: me know if you're actually sleeping, we could all have ankle.
Speaker 8: In twelve yeah, rhyme.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when you think about what the problems are, it's
Speaker 1: like they're emotional, so take really can't fix that. They
Speaker 1: can add to the right if you'd like. If you'd
Speaker 1: like the more problems, the social network apps will help
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 8: This is an interesting thing too. It's like the over
Speaker 8: monitoring versus like personal experience. Like we didn't use a
Speaker 8: lot of tech raising our kids, but other than iPads,
Speaker 8: but like we there's like personal experience. It's like do
Speaker 8: you want something to tell you how to cook or
Speaker 8: do you want to just like mess around with trying
Speaker 8: to see what cooks well and what burns and then
Speaker 8: you get natural experience that kind of gets ingrained and
Speaker 8: you go, oh, I know because I've been doing it
Speaker 8: over time. That's like parenting. You're like I begin to
Speaker 8: get a general feel and sense of that kid and
Speaker 8: their behavior. It just happens. It happens when you pay attention.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing Like I don't talk about much
Speaker 1: about myket on the show because I have a lot
Speaker 1: of people who listen to and I won't keep them.
Speaker 2: It's his world.
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, you learn from your child what
Speaker 1: they have it so when they are sleepy, right when
Speaker 1: they will tell you I'm not tued, you'll go to sleep,
Speaker 1: You're gonna fall asleep in two fucking with his brother,
Speaker 1: You're either get in that bad is a nice and
Speaker 1: couz you're going.
Speaker 2: To go right to sleep.
Speaker 4: Were like the category error that we're talking about here,
Speaker 4: where it's just like fundamentally being like do you want
Speaker 4: your phone to solve this thing that is like not
Speaker 4: your work, like not your commute, like the shit that
Speaker 4: like you have to do so that you can afford
Speaker 4: the others. It's like do you want us to take
Speaker 4: the experience like the actual pleasurable part of being alive,
Speaker 4: like and for me like as like a you know again,
Speaker 4: we don't have kids, we can afford to like make
Speaker 4: dinner most nights, like me and my wife Like that
Speaker 4: is like really fucking precious time to me. I like
Speaker 4: I think about it, you know, like we go in
Speaker 4: with a game plan. We enjoy like working and cooking together,
Speaker 4: and we're not exactly being like behind you chef like
Speaker 4: as we move through our shit laun but we're like
Speaker 4: closer than it's probably you know, healthy. But the idea
Speaker 4: of like replacing that with being like I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: like let my phone either tell me what to do
Speaker 4: or eventually. I mean this was like the big promise
Speaker 4: for a lot of the smart home shit last year
Speaker 4: was like just my house will do it, Like they'll
Speaker 4: make the coffee for me. It's like making coffee is
Speaker 4: really important to me. Actually, Like that is part of
Speaker 4: how I remember that I'm a human before I like
Speaker 4: get on my computer and get really upset about shit.
Speaker 1: All long, you know, like and it's like they don't
Speaker 1: solve the actual things which are annoying. Like I love
Speaker 1: my dinner with my olfriend.
Speaker 2: It's nice. It's nice it's an experience together, it's something
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate laundry and cleaning, and they've barey fucking
Speaker 1: good like they've been.
Speaker 2: I think, how long have you been going to CEES?
Speaker 8: Like it has been a long long time. So I
Speaker 8: went to my first CSH for work purposes probably two
Speaker 8: thousand and four.
Speaker 2: Okay, how many times?
Speaker 1: How many times have you seen oh, the same fucking one,
Speaker 1: the folding the laundry, the folding robot. Like I think
Speaker 1: over a decade, like there is one company that just
Speaker 1: every is like, this is the fucking year, folks.
Speaker 3: There's one laundry company probably, but there's a few companies.
Speaker 4: I haven't been going anywhere near as long as you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been a long time, and this is either
Speaker 8: year four or.
Speaker 3: Five for me, But I've already noticed there's companies that
Speaker 3: I feel like literally just exist to go to CES.
Speaker 3: Like they don't ever put anything out. They always bring
Speaker 3: the same or a similar product, and year after year
Speaker 3: it's just the same thing. And it's like, first of all,
Speaker 3: we do we get in the like I don't know
Speaker 3: how much it costs to show up and as with
Speaker 3: a booth at CES, but I'm guessing it's not cheap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what do you what are you doing? The
Speaker 2: compete the money laundering show?
Speaker 8: No, I have notes for CS Unveiled like things like that.
Speaker 8: Here's my note for it based on what I saw yesterday.
Speaker 8: I made me think about. I was a judge at
Speaker 8: MIT Reality Hacket last year, which was actually really interesting
Speaker 8: because it's like it was a lot of students pitching
Speaker 8: random projects that involved like AR and XR, and you
Speaker 8: basically went around to a lot of tables and you
Speaker 8: had five minutes it was each one, and they had
Speaker 8: to come up with a pitch, and it was like okay,
Speaker 8: like I don't know what it could be, but it's
Speaker 8: like we did this thing, We're gonna come up with it.
Speaker 8: We're gonna get you experienced, get understand. It's like yeah,
Speaker 8: and it's like speed dating, but a show like Unveiled
Speaker 8: is not speed dating. It's literally just find your way.
Speaker 8: If they made it, I don't think i'd want it
Speaker 8: to be a speed dating but like, you have a
Speaker 8: bunch of tables, and if they're not like you say,
Speaker 8: if they're not perfectly clear and grabby and they have
Speaker 8: a headline. There are a lot of companies that was
Speaker 8: like Mercamo MA and it's like, okay, there's like it's
Speaker 8: just an empty table with like an item on it.
Speaker 8: And then it's like, is the game that I'm supposed
Speaker 8: to talk to you and retrieve the inform? I'm like,
Speaker 8: I can't. I can't right now, like and I don't.
Speaker 8: It's it I'm not into that game right now.
Speaker 2: And so I thought the.
Speaker 8: Pitches were not were not clear. A lot of companies,
Speaker 8: it also is like some like you know, could be
Speaker 8: international or whatever else, but it's like maybe they're looking
Speaker 8: for components or things, but this is a media more
Speaker 8: media focused thing and unveiled.
Speaker 2: And they pay extra for this, don't they.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And so you go, why am I looking at that?
Speaker 8: I just don't have time and it's over stuffed with
Speaker 8: too many things. So and plus there are no like
Speaker 8: it's not like a grocery store where you're like, here's
Speaker 8: the baking stuff, here's the meats. Like I would like
Speaker 8: if they made categories where it's like the rope. The
Speaker 8: emotional robots that were like five of them, it's just as.
Speaker 4: Two hundred aisle three hundred. There were moments emotional robots
Speaker 4: that I kept walking through and being like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: in the like this is the the sex apps, this
Speaker 4: is the like weird rights are everywhere, They're all over
Speaker 4: the place, and like Dido. For the one bit that
Speaker 4: seemed actually coherent, I remember was in like one of
Speaker 4: the basements last year that was like kind of the
Speaker 4: Hall of Nations and you would be going through and
Speaker 4: it's here's like the Netherlands wants to.
Speaker 2: Talk to you about what it is. That's the French zone.
Speaker 4: But it's the only bit that felt organized.
Speaker 8: But what's interesting that a scattershot Yeah that press event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever I go down to the nation thing, what
Speaker 3: I actually usually get like a little bit angry about it.
Speaker 4: It's like, damn, this is this.
Speaker 3: This is like countries that actually support their their startup
Speaker 3: companies with funding because that's why they're there representing their country.
Speaker 4: And there's like no United States section because the US doesn't.
Speaker 2: Do that show.
Speaker 8: What do you think this is?
Speaker 1: No, they usually have like a US government section though
Speaker 1: it's like oh, but it's just like this is what
Speaker 1: the post Office is doing in them.
Speaker 2: But it's not like the oh if there was a
Speaker 2: c I A one, well that's the that's the Pallenteer.
Speaker 4: Right, I was gonna say, you.
Speaker 1: Go down to the CIA both he h what happened
Speaker 1: with JFK you do that?
Speaker 2: Was?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Was that usday?
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 2: I'll just watch the was you do that shit?
Speaker 1: I think I could probably get killed at that. Both
Speaker 1: one percent within fun just asking annoying questions. It is
Speaker 1: one thing just to go back to Scott said that,
Speaker 1: like it's funny. And I remember this experience again, like
Speaker 1: just because I you know, I haven't been on the.
Speaker 2: Floors this year.
Speaker 4: I felt last year both like heartened and a little
Speaker 4: bit embarrassed by how much like a little bit of
Speaker 4: oath mode curb appeal, like showmanship would like win me over.
Speaker 4: Like the reason I knew about that dog door was
Speaker 4: that they had they had made it out of some
Speaker 4: metal substance that they had, you know, like whatever, perfectly
Speaker 4: calibrated themselves and there was a big mallet that you
Speaker 4: could swing and hit it into the door and it
Speaker 4: never dented. Yeah, And so the reason I found it
Speaker 4: was that like I was walking around with the Jesse
Speaker 4: Farrar and we were like, what is that loud noise?
Speaker 4: And then just like a pair of dogs off leash
Speaker 4: wandered over and we're like what does this do? And
Speaker 4: like it was something I really liked learning about it,
Speaker 4: Like I found the people very pleasing, uh you know, conversationalists.
Speaker 2: But it was one something that I found because that was.
Speaker 8: Exactly that exact why we're here. It's like, this is
Speaker 8: why it's a physical show. It's like there's the Internet,
Speaker 8: Like there's information everywhere. You could always be looking up
Speaker 8: stuff or what people are here. You should be like
Speaker 8: it goes back to that science fair type thing. It's like,
Speaker 8: is this you got to come up with a If
Speaker 8: you're gonna be here, you gotta come up with an
Speaker 8: interesting picture, like not don't do a stupid one, but
Speaker 8: do like a yeah, try to get something to catch
Speaker 8: our attention and explain it with just the whole point
Speaker 8: with the.
Speaker 2: Dogs just Jesse and I were the dogs And okay, what.
Speaker 3: Was interesting about you bringing up we were talking about
Speaker 3: just two seconds ago, the how nothing is like the
Speaker 3: layout is not planned and like categories what I'm dying
Speaker 3: to know if they do it again this this year,
Speaker 3: if there's even enough companies to fill it out. But
Speaker 3: last year there was one section and I brought it
Speaker 3: up on the show too, and I thought it was
Speaker 3: so funny. There was a Web three section and it
Speaker 3: was like, oh, these companies are now so embarrassing. We
Speaker 3: want like them off to the side, behind a curtain.
Speaker 3: We let them all in a specific section where they
Speaker 3: could be avoided, and it was like they were they were.
Speaker 3: There was no like strap crypto or blockchain companies, but
Speaker 3: they were still these companies that believed in like the
Speaker 3: promise of without using the word NFT, the promise of
Speaker 3: like the digital ownership of things and and the metaverse
Speaker 3: type stuff. And they actually did create a Web three
Speaker 3: section that that actually said the Web three like arena
Speaker 3: or something, and it was like, there's no reason to
Speaker 3: do that unless you want people to know where they
Speaker 3: can actively avoid.
Speaker 2: If they don't want that, yeah, well, like the five
Speaker 2: perverts that need to go there.
Speaker 4: Right, I feel like you're keeping everybody away from everybody
Speaker 4: else the way that there's people that are like I
Speaker 4: don't want to know.
Speaker 2: I don't have a fucking dog, and I don't need
Speaker 2: a dog door.
Speaker 4: What I need is a picture of a dog that
Speaker 4: lives on the blockchain that's on my phone that I
Speaker 4: have most of my savings invested in collection.
Speaker 8: The dog simulacorus section.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, it takes all kinds. I don't it's a
Speaker 4: big market. Oh my god, yeah, it's there's supposed to
Speaker 4: be a holographic fish tank here. One of my colleagues
Speaker 4: what what Okay, what the fuck? I'm actually trying to
Speaker 4: find me. I don't know, but my colleagues said, we
Speaker 4: were trying to look for weird tech. We've actually been
Speaker 4: on the Lund and we said there's a holographic fish tank.
Speaker 8: And I said, I'm in apparently.
Speaker 2: Tech. How did it take you this long to bring
Speaker 2: it up? I've been, I've been. I want other people
Speaker 2: to talk all the fish let me tell you. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 8: I want there to be I want to believe it's
Speaker 8: in the web.
Speaker 12: Three airing holographic as a holographic fish my.
Speaker 8: Left fish in the tank. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 8: but I do think so.
Speaker 10: All.
Speaker 8: The other thing is that last night we're talking about
Speaker 8: weird tech. Tieth thing the people had said to me
Speaker 8: caught the robe and I didn't see it. This doesn't
Speaker 8: sound that weird. It was a vibrating knife. Oh I
Speaker 8: saw the knife, Yeah, ultrasonic.
Speaker 3: It was apparently a knife you just like lightly hold
Speaker 3: ultrasonic call over to the vegetable or whatever you're trying
Speaker 3: to cut, just and then just like like barely any pressure,
Speaker 3: it just goes right through.
Speaker 4: It just wasn't visually appealing enough.
Speaker 8: Now I saw a knife that I skipped and I
Speaker 8: thought it already existed because I don't cover that beat.
Speaker 8: And I was like, it's probably the same vibrating knife
Speaker 8: that they had last year with a new feature.
Speaker 2: Tell me one, right, isn't this a thing?
Speaker 8: Or like William Gibson novels. Yeah, I feel like there's like.
Speaker 1: When I when I'm thinking of tech, I want I'm
Speaker 1: reading William Gibson.
Speaker 8: Maybe it was a.
Speaker 2: Section.
Speaker 4: So you're telling me you've created it. That's really interesting
Speaker 4: that this iron sprawl, it's so good.
Speaker 1: It's so good that I'm obsessed with this holographic fish tank.
Speaker 1: I'm anna fuck.
Speaker 8: I know, can we put on an ap B and
Speaker 8: to say if you are making a geographic fish tank,
Speaker 8: where it is?
Speaker 2: I know anybody was getting your ass for not bringing
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 4: I think it's very ethical that if you yourself have
Speaker 4: not seen a holographic fish tank, you would sound weird
Speaker 4: if you were like I've heard tell of the holographic
Speaker 4: fish tank, know that you saw it, Like to get
Speaker 4: a description of it, I need to know I exactly,
Speaker 4: I need to see it myself.
Speaker 8: But but then the other thing I saw there on
Speaker 8: the floor that thought but apparently it already existed because
Speaker 8: I'm not looking at massage chair tech. But there was
Speaker 8: someone sitting in one of those giant moving massage chairs
Speaker 8: that was like it look they looked like a transformer,
Speaker 8: like they lifted on an arm and the arm was
Speaker 8: coming with them and the leg was moving with them.
Speaker 8: But then I brought that up to people and they
Speaker 8: were like, that's already been here, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 8: well that interested me.
Speaker 3: The man it was called the Best Massage Body's Friend
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 8: They were just moving, but it was like it was
Speaker 8: like you almost like you couldn't escape. It was like
Speaker 8: the as they were moving, the chair pieces would move
Speaker 8: still with their arms. And I saw that. I was
Speaker 8: like that, that's interesting, cyber Sofa.
Speaker 1: I love the massage chairs. It's the greatest scam at CS.
Speaker 1: Every song we run it, someone's like I just got
Speaker 1: best deal on the massage chairs, Like no, you did not, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just got scam. No, it's like if you don't
Speaker 1: heard about the scam, No I haven't. So they have
Speaker 1: these lines of massage chairs and they're like, i'll give you,
Speaker 1: I'll cut your special deal. They're not cutting you a specially.
Speaker 4: Yes, they see.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: If you walk around the main.
Speaker 1: Convention center, there's usually very you know that they're even
Speaker 1: trying to sell them. There's a very sad section where
Speaker 1: you see like the cs, like the guys who have
Speaker 1: been here twenty five since it was called the Comdex,
Speaker 1: Like the people have been here forever, and they're sitting
Speaker 1: in this chair just like fucking, just like fucking just
Speaker 1: the only only time I get away from my wife
Speaker 1: and kids. Just just sit in the fucking chair all day.
Speaker 1: I sell software, man, I just want to die, and
Speaker 1: they just sit in these chairs. But those people are
Speaker 1: not buying them. They just know you can scam, but
Speaker 1: no you will. I every few years I run and
Speaker 1: someone's like, I just got the best deal. It's like
Speaker 1: I paid seven thousand dollars for two chairs and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the RP is one thousand dollars each. You've got fucking scam.
Speaker 1: It's like it's Ali Barba chair situation that massages you.
Speaker 2: I did not know this is going on.
Speaker 1: It's it's a you know what, it's part of the
Speaker 1: Vegas experience, being like swindled by I mean I do
Speaker 1: know that a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a lot.
Speaker 3: But there are companies that show up and like you
Speaker 3: could see on like the bad or do they have
Speaker 3: around their booth? They go like, oh, ask us about
Speaker 3: our ces only special? Yeah whatever, And I mean I'm
Speaker 3: here as media, so I would never spend any money
Speaker 3: like that, but I mean it always seems like is
Speaker 3: it is it really the best deal? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You were in less fucking Vegas. You think you're getting
Speaker 2: a deal.
Speaker 4: Here, you're getting dealt I A still like the idea
Speaker 4: of your walking through the like air purifire section where
Speaker 4: there's fifty identical products and being like this is the one,
Speaker 4: like do you can? I? Do you take venmo?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Like It's just like one year I had a bit
Speaker 1: where I just lifted up stuff and asked if I
Speaker 1: could have him and they really didn't like that, Like
Speaker 1: especially with the TVs.
Speaker 2: I just like, lift up, can I have this?
Speaker 1: And they looked at me, pausmon, No, it's just like, no, sugar,
Speaker 1: Yeah they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 8: It wasn't bolted down, No exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they do now. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what the fuck was I gonna do? You think there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy's like running away with the TV
Speaker 1: making your escape through this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can get out the door, you can
Speaker 2: keepe it. That should be the rule, se they should.
Speaker 2: Is there swag? Is there any swag you saw?
Speaker 4: I mean on the show floor?
Speaker 3: Usually not, but a lot of these companies when they
Speaker 3: see media, they want to especially the smaller like startups.
Speaker 8: They want you want to give out review it like this,
Speaker 8: so they'll they'll just like they'll come back later and
Speaker 8: there's a thing for you.
Speaker 2: Don't think kind of an or to me. No one
Speaker 2: ever off me anything like that, so you can't have this.
Speaker 3: The thing I noticed this year though, and this happened
Speaker 3: to me a few times, was they almost seem more
Speaker 3: interested in content creators now than like like like somebody
Speaker 3: you said to me like, oh, what do you do?
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I'm a reporter for and
Speaker 3: they were like where are you based out of? And
Speaker 3: I was like New York and like, oh, maybe you
Speaker 3: could be our content creator from New York and.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm I just said I'm a
Speaker 4: real job.
Speaker 8: So yeah, cretill you see that at like yeah, at
Speaker 8: all the conferences where it's like there's there's been two
Speaker 8: different tracks, but also like a lot of stuff, I
Speaker 8: feel like tech companies have clearly been pushing that that
Speaker 8: focus to like the content creator influencer path. I mean
Speaker 8: a lot of it overlaps, but like it's a very
Speaker 8: different track. And then they're like that's the primary just
Speaker 8: mean a guy, they just.
Speaker 2: Mean spawn calling without the spawn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that there's probably a lot of that of like
Speaker 4: people that like are on TikTok right, like check out
Speaker 4: all these crazy things I saw.
Speaker 8: Right right, they just want to listen to video.
Speaker 2: And the thing is I love getting free shit, but
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not changing my opinion. Oh right, of course,
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 4: It's you know, you want to review.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to review if I'm interested in the product
Speaker 3: and I think it's interesting or cool. But if it
Speaker 3: doesn't work or something's wrong or there are negatives, I'm
Speaker 3: going to be truthful.
Speaker 4: But it just like I'll be truthful if I think
Speaker 4: it's cool and works.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: One interesting thing was one company actually said to me
Speaker 3: like when they asked where I you know what my
Speaker 3: outlet was, and I said Mashable and they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's the social media for it? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a website, mashable dot com. And they immediately pulled
Speaker 3: up their YouTube app on their phone. It was like,
Speaker 3: let me see how many subscribers YouTube. And then they
Speaker 3: saw it and they were like, oh okay, So like
Speaker 3: that's that's the example. I'm like, what we're dealing with
Speaker 3: now in terms of like content creators mean more of
Speaker 3: these companies now then then actual outlets. They didn't even
Speaker 3: respond to the website. They didn't even bring up their
Speaker 3: safari And when Mashable.
Speaker 8: It always makes me sad when people say like, oh,
Speaker 8: I've seen your it's nice. Oh I've seen all your videos.
Speaker 8: But I'm like, do you read any I write articles?
Speaker 8: And they're just like, huh, don't let's get that what
Speaker 8: you just said. I don't want to hear that part.
Speaker 1: So as we come to the end of this day,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, Matt Benda, you've been joining us
Speaker 1: from Mashable.
Speaker 2: Of course, thank you for being here.
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Speaker 11: Us, Lisa, of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: So you saw a trifold Samsung Galaxy phone and the
Speaker 1: listeners got mad at me last time for being excited
Speaker 1: about something.
Speaker 4: What do you know?
Speaker 2: Picks one? What one for me? But yeah, so you've
Speaker 2: seen the trifold.
Speaker 4: What was it like?
Speaker 10: It was really cool, but I think my biggest criticism
Speaker 10: of it was that it didn't really provide a compelling
Speaker 10: reason to want this bigger screen.
Speaker 11: That folds up and fits into your pocket.
Speaker 10: It's really cool when you hold it like you open
Speaker 10: it up, kind of like a brochure or a pamphlet.
Speaker 11: It you know, has two folds.
Speaker 10: Who open it, it folds into threes, right, and then
Speaker 10: when it's open it's a really slim tablet. But then
Speaker 10: it's just you know, it kind of feels like the
Speaker 10: Fold Plus in a way, like I feel like you
Speaker 10: can get a similar experience with the Z fold, which
Speaker 10: already exists. So that said, I only had a few
Speaker 10: minutes with it.
Speaker 2: Was it though, like? How many?
Speaker 5: How?
Speaker 2: What was it like? Ten inches? I guess that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so it's ten inches, so it's more like the
Speaker 10: size of an iPad when it's open, slightly smaller than
Speaker 10: like an iPad air. And then the Z fold is
Speaker 10: more closer to the size of like an iPad Mini when.
Speaker 11: It's open, So that's kind of the difference.
Speaker 10: And then when it's closed, it's I think around I
Speaker 10: think the screen is six point five inches. I would
Speaker 10: have to double check that, but you know the size
Speaker 10: of a Plus phone or a Promax phone whatever.
Speaker 11: Did they give you a price, No, they didn't say pricing.
Speaker 2: Yet that thing's would be to and off grand It's good.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot.
Speaker 10: I mean those Z fold sevens already like two thousand
Speaker 10: dollars really, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't be mad.
Speaker 1: See, this is the thing, this is my weak point.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get so many hemause people people got
Speaker 1: so Legitimately, people got really upset at me when Lisa
Speaker 1: was on because I was.
Speaker 2: Like, I like the idea, and then like you need
Speaker 2: to hide everything. I'm full of joy I sometimes they
Speaker 2: won't allow me.
Speaker 4: They won't to have his screen time, takes it away
Speaker 4: from you, make me read more books.
Speaker 1: No, it's but I kind of like that they're doing something,
Speaker 1: Like I love the idea of a giant foldable.
Speaker 2: I'm a freak, I guess.
Speaker 1: But it's like, it's sad they haven't When you say
Speaker 1: it isn't like they haven't thought through why you'd need it.
Speaker 2: What do you mean exactly?
Speaker 10: I was kind of hoping that the software would do
Speaker 10: something a little different and interesting. But that said, to
Speaker 10: your point, I'm happy that Samsung is doing something because
Speaker 10: they have been showing these concepts for years, different kinds
Speaker 10: of foldables that fold in funky, weird ways, and they
Speaker 10: keep saying, yeah, we're working on something, we're working on something,
Speaker 10: and then we just had no idea if any of
Speaker 10: those concepts would actually ever come to fruition. So I'm
Speaker 10: glad to see that they're experimenting and they're still doing that.
Speaker 10: But to me, my immediate reaction was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 10: this is really cool. But it doesn't it feels almost
Speaker 10: like the Fold did a couple of years ago when
Speaker 10: it's closed, because it's kind of thick, right, So it
Speaker 10: just didn't feel as different as I thought it would,
Speaker 10: I guess. And I think part of that is because
Speaker 10: when you open it, it's like you have the bigger
Speaker 10: screen or the front screen.
Speaker 11: You don't have the in between, and that's kind of
Speaker 11: what do you mean by that?
Speaker 10: So I think, and I'd have to double check, but
Speaker 10: I think it was either some of Samsung's concepts or
Speaker 10: like maybe the Huawei phone, like you can kind of
Speaker 10: use the different panels as like their own individual screens.
Speaker 2: Like oh yes, you have different apps on them.
Speaker 10: Yeah, like almost have like three screens in one, and
Speaker 10: like this doesn't really do that. It just has like
Speaker 10: the open state where it's a tablet and then the
Speaker 10: closed state where it's a phone, which is still useful,
Speaker 10: but it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Feel that differ Grande.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And the one thing that I thought was was
Speaker 10: interesting that Samsung is kind of thinking of is this
Speaker 10: being not just like a phone and a tablet, but
Speaker 10: maybe a phone a tablet and also like a mini
Speaker 10: PC if you like cook it up with like Bluetooth
Speaker 10: keyboard and mens or whatever. Yeah, they're still trying that,
Speaker 10: but yeah, I don't know, it's interesting, but I feel
Speaker 10: like the this thing is probably going to be expensive,
Speaker 10: so the use case has to be really compelling, and
Speaker 10: their z fold phones are only just starting to take
Speaker 10: off a little bit, so I feel like it's you know,
Speaker 10: it's going to be a long road ahead for something
Speaker 10: like this, but I'm glad they're doing it at something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like there's like we're already like the
Speaker 4: show hasn't officially started yet, and just from the three
Speaker 4: episodes that I've been on, everybody so like, well, you
Speaker 4: know what, Like obviously I would never use this, and
Speaker 4: I don't think that'll ever really get made, but I
Speaker 4: really appreciate that they're rolling the dice and having fun
Speaker 4: out there, and it does feel like that's what it is.
Speaker 4: And so like what you're describing is like this was
Speaker 4: something that you know, as somebody who doesn't generally follow
Speaker 4: this like part of the fun of it for me
Speaker 4: last year was like legitimate idiot awe at sort of
Speaker 4: like the fuck it, we're doing five blades stuff where
Speaker 4: they're just like we figured out how to do.
Speaker 2: Like the TV is so good that you couldn't actually
Speaker 2: watch anything on it.
Speaker 4: But it's like fine, at least they're doing something it's
Speaker 4: better than them, just sort of like spackling some you know,
Speaker 4: notional AI modality over it and being like a it's
Speaker 4: gonna make friends for you while you sit at home.
Speaker 1: I did see they have added nano banana to televisions now, and.
Speaker 4: I feel like you are thrilled to hear you say.
Speaker 1: I hate saying nano banana. I think it's a fucking
Speaker 1: terrible name. I think who ever came up with the
Speaker 1: name should be electrocute.
Speaker 4: Do you share a stupid accent thing that I heard
Speaker 4: on the plane lift? It means a guy behind me,
Speaker 4: an Australian guy ordered sprite with ice in an Australian accent.
Speaker 4: Just something to think about what that might sound like.
Speaker 1: Do you wonder anyone Australian If you're an Australian, listen,
Speaker 1: then please record.
Speaker 2: Get to record it.
Speaker 1: It's like just email me easy at Better Offline dot com.
Speaker 1: If you record yourself as an Australian saying it, if
Speaker 1: you ask.
Speaker 10: My Australian friends from yeah, let's not let's get the
Speaker 10: Australian is the one thing that people love.
Speaker 4: It's being like, your voices are fucked up? You mind
Speaker 4: saying a few freezes?
Speaker 10: Yeah I know nothing about that happened to me when
Speaker 10: I was on vacation in Ireland like last year, Like
Speaker 10: a cashier at a convenience store was like can you
Speaker 10: say this?
Speaker 11: And I was like why, you know, it's really bizarre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my life.
Speaker 1: This is my life is people people turning to me
Speaker 1: and saying I can't help myself.
Speaker 2: I have to do my accent if.
Speaker 11: You can help yourself.
Speaker 2: No, if you've ever said this to me, you're a
Speaker 2: fucking liar. Oh I have a thing. No, you don't.
Speaker 2: You think your British accent is good and you want
Speaker 2: me to tell you it's good. It's never good. It's
Speaker 2: never been good. Stop going to be clear. This is
Speaker 2: no your British accent is funny. If you just to
Speaker 2: be clear.
Speaker 1: If you're making fun of England, bully for you, I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you. I don't really have one. I
Speaker 1: just period be like what or like my exactly, like
Speaker 1: that's that's all I've got, And that's fine. I that too,
Speaker 1: but it's just, yeah, sprite with ice. It doesn't sound
Speaker 1: good when I.
Speaker 5: Say you want to give us a demonstration.
Speaker 4: It was basically like sprite with boys. It wasn't. That
Speaker 4: wasn't that was British that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good sprought with us. He was two.
Speaker 1: I was into CS coverage and this is this is
Speaker 1: Gemini generate making sounds back and forth to each other.
Speaker 4: It's just pure whale song.
Speaker 1: But no, I like the idea that like someone is
Speaker 1: generating images on their TEP like what fucking freak did that?
Speaker 1: And was like, you know what, people wanted to generate
Speaker 1: an image? No, no, no one who's ever been I
Speaker 1: wish I could generate something on my.
Speaker 5: Friends to this photo of me alone on the.
Speaker 10: Part of a lot of these tech companies have been
Speaker 10: trying to make TVs something that they're not for a
Speaker 10: long time, like trying to make them all these different
Speaker 10: types of ambient computers and whatever, and I feel like
Speaker 10: that's just part of that effort, and CS is the
Speaker 10: hub of all of that.
Speaker 2: I'm staying in the cap earlier.
Speaker 1: It's just like, at some point, it's fucking television, right.
Speaker 11: People just want a really nice scream. I think that
Speaker 11: they want to look at.
Speaker 1: There was the thing of like, oh, you won't have
Speaker 1: to plug devices into them. Now you can do Netflix
Speaker 1: on it. Great, okay, now you can play games. And
Speaker 1: I saw someone announce you can do Xbox Gaming Game Pass,
Speaker 1: which kind of make and that's I'm kind of like, fine,
Speaker 1: that makes sense streaming and now what and.
Speaker 2: They're like fucking banana.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 6: Now, when you get home drunk at night and the
Speaker 6: TV's a little too dim.
Speaker 13: You could go the GV Yeah, Gemini eleven, just like
Speaker 13: please Gemini Star Wars Picture nine eleven, Like just.
Speaker 2: Like, just are you sure calling your mother?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: Nope, you can't do that from a television though, you
Speaker 1: actually can't. Like calling people are like Facebook, Facebook Portal
Speaker 1: is weirdly enough, like the only product that can reliably
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: It's really weird.
Speaker 11: Is that true?
Speaker 1: It's really hard to find a television because honestly, a
Speaker 1: TV a TV with a camera, and it is bad.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like a weirdly rare product.
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, the Facebook portal is actually good.
Speaker 11: Because that's like one of the few products I actually
Speaker 11: have never tried.
Speaker 1: Don't worry they killed it, yeah that much. I know
Speaker 1: They're like, no, no, no, no, no, we need to
Speaker 1: you can't find your friends on Facebook? Oh, Facebook portal
Speaker 1: just to talk to your family?
Speaker 5: Not so fast? The fuck?
Speaker 2: You want some glasses? You want some glasses? They kind
Speaker 2: of work.
Speaker 4: What if it let you talk to a local restaurant?
Speaker 4: It like has a lot of weirdly racist posts.
Speaker 2: Is that what you want? During Hey guys, what's my flood?
Speaker 1: It's just trying to get away from the core function
Speaker 1: because there's not really many reasons to buy on u
Speaker 1: TV anymore, because I mean I have like a like,
Speaker 1: I'm an upgrade pig. I love upgrading my phone. I'll
Speaker 1: love the slightly faster, better experience. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: upgrade my TV until it breaks. It's full k it's
Speaker 1: icg my two point one.
Speaker 10: I mean, people just want bigger TVs that look nice,
Speaker 10: that don't cost as much what everybody wants.
Speaker 2: I have a really big, like eighty five inch so Brava.
Speaker 1: Oh it was seventeen. It was seventeen hundred dollars six
Speaker 1: years ago, I think, And it's like, why would I
Speaker 1: am great?
Speaker 2: What possible reason?
Speaker 1: And the TV companies are saying that's just been like
Speaker 1: because there really isn't. It's like, oh, I can have
Speaker 1: Gemini on my TV a pyfrate not to.
Speaker 2: Be on the right.
Speaker 4: Also like funny to your point, like the way that
Speaker 4: this is like the the purpose of CES versus the
Speaker 4: purpose of like consumer entertainment as you like would consume it,
Speaker 4: or consumer electronics as you would consume it. It's basically
Speaker 4: like you want the good TV. But they they would
Speaker 4: be bored, and they probably sense that if you, as
Speaker 4: a CEES attendee, would be bored if they're just like
Speaker 4: showing you a dope new TV that's showing a movie
Speaker 4: on it that's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, what if it had one key feature that
Speaker 2: worked thirty percent.
Speaker 4: Of Yeah, would that be new? Would that seem intriguing
Speaker 4: to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But that is one hundred percent, Like it feels like
Speaker 4: that is I don't know what percentage off here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they even do.
Speaker 1: They have a TV section, we're just showing you know,
Speaker 1: stuff great every like micro l ed or many.
Speaker 2: They have new stuff, and the TV's are thinner. There's
Speaker 2: a very thin year.
Speaker 5: I saw TVs you could bend, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love spender, Like, what's going?
Speaker 1: I just get.
Speaker 5: God, I got the betterble TV. Last night would have
Speaker 5: gone different.
Speaker 2: I was. I wanted to fight by television.
Speaker 4: We're marketing this exclusively to fans a bad NFL team, Cowboys.
Speaker 5: I'm a Cowboys fan. How many knights? If I wanted
Speaker 5: to break my TV?
Speaker 1: I'm a Raiders fan, I don't even turn it on.
Speaker 1: Probably there's just no needs. Oh they lost, and you
Speaker 1: they were done after the second game. They won three
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 5: Don't worry one day. We're gonna win a super Bowl each.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I actually don't know which of us has
Speaker 2: the worst chance.
Speaker 4: You're probably not old enough to remember a Cowboys super
Speaker 4: Bowl winner, are you?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 4: That's well I am, and the worst guys in America
Speaker 4: are going to be celebrating right alongside you when it happens. Yeah,
Speaker 4: old enough to remember a Raider's super Bowl win, but
Speaker 4: I'm sure it'll be very nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'll get Gemini to generate It's sorry, I can't do that.
Speaker 2: It's too unrealistic. Yeah, reality chat, you're trying to spread misinformation.
Speaker 5: They would never win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's And the thing is is, I don't I
Speaker 1: can think of ways my life could be like the
Speaker 1: laundry bot we were talking about last time. All of
Speaker 1: those fall down because it's like the actual way that
Speaker 1: people experience laundry is a large pile of stuff. Like
Speaker 1: it's just like I the sock is in within the
Speaker 1: katamari of ship that I've left for too long. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to chuck the katamari into a
Speaker 1: box and then laundry comes out. There are also services
Speaker 1: that do that. You can do there's washing folds in
Speaker 1: New York. It's kind of like could do that. It's like,
Speaker 1: or you could spend five thousand dollars and something that
Speaker 1: I assume you need to like neatly thread the thing into.
Speaker 1: And the TV problem is a lot of things look weird,
Speaker 1: like you to customize like different situations like sports games
Speaker 1: look different to movies and such. TV don't seem to
Speaker 1: be trying to fix that, like the fact that every
Speaker 1: show is incredibly dark.
Speaker 11: Now that's what they should be using AI honestly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, do you need no banana,
Speaker 1: you need television freaking nine to eleven. You need to
Speaker 1: look better, you want stranger things to look good.
Speaker 2: Fuck you?
Speaker 4: Yeah there, Yeah, seriously, he was kind of spitting there for.
Speaker 1: I'll be rapping by the end of this show. Did
Speaker 1: you see anything? What else have you seen the show other.
Speaker 10: Than yeah, so here other than the phone? Lots of robots.
Speaker 10: I would say, that's always a big kind of robots.
Speaker 10: One that plays chess, and it's like absurdly expensive.
Speaker 2: How much was it did you find out? I you
Speaker 2: know what, I I forget.
Speaker 11: I remember being like, wow, that's a lot.
Speaker 10: It was kind of something I saw on I don't
Speaker 10: know if it was thousands, but it was something that
Speaker 10: was marketed as like, hey, buy this if you like
Speaker 10: really love to play chess but you don't have anyone
Speaker 10: to play with, or you want your kid to learn
Speaker 10: how to play chess or.
Speaker 2: Something you don't want to use any of the computer chests, right.
Speaker 4: Exactly, Like there's a whole Yeah, I think that this
Speaker 4: that again is like another one of those kind of
Speaker 4: class right.
Speaker 11: That's the other thing.
Speaker 10: Another thing I saw was a robot or it's really
Speaker 10: just more of a machine that sits under countertop. But
Speaker 10: you know, everything is a robot at ces that can
Speaker 10: cook for you if you like, almost like a carrig
Speaker 10: for food, where you put ingredients in and it.
Speaker 4: Knows extrude temperature stew.
Speaker 10: Like, yeah, it was a lot of things where it's
Speaker 10: just like, Okay, nobody wants to do anything, but none
Speaker 10: of these alternatives seem right.
Speaker 4: But it's like like more degrading than any of the
Speaker 4: other options, Like like I don't want to call someone
Speaker 4: them deliver something to my home. I'm just going to
Speaker 4: stuff a bunch of celery into this hole and see
Speaker 4: what happens.
Speaker 10: It's like really dark and maybe I'm oversimplifying it again.
Speaker 10: This is like me just walking around Cees unveiled last
Speaker 10: night and being like, oh, there's a lot of people
Speaker 10: at this station, so let me see what everyone's looking at.
Speaker 10: And yeah, that was just like the impression that I
Speaker 10: got though. It seems similar to like a carrig but
Speaker 10: for food, like you put the ingredients in, it knows
Speaker 10: the recipes.
Speaker 2: Or whatever, and.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know, it was it was really bizarre.
Speaker 2: But but how does like how does the food get
Speaker 2: in that? Do you just throw a bunch of carrots.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you have ingredients that you like put in and
Speaker 10: it knows what the ingredients are and it has recipes
Speaker 10: or something.
Speaker 2: Now it's like you see commercials for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've used it.
Speaker 11: It's not it's not bad.
Speaker 2: It's not bad.
Speaker 5: Is it like Okay I put the ingredients in their nose?
Speaker 5: Or you got to sit there being like okay I
Speaker 5: put in a sealery I put it.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, there's like a there's like recipe packs
Speaker 10: and stuff, something like the recipe book or something.
Speaker 11: Again, I am like probably watching the details.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 11: That's a question.
Speaker 4: I'm the guy that was initially like, well you just
Speaker 4: put carrots in it. What you're seeing makes a lot
Speaker 4: more sense than what was just coming out.
Speaker 5: Of the mount. Also, there are startups out there that
Speaker 5: would do yeah, you put a carroing in there.
Speaker 1: I like the Samsung fridge though with Gemini and it.
Speaker 1: I did see that earlier Gemini.
Speaker 2: Fridge where it's like I haven't seen that. It's so good.
Speaker 1: You read the product demonstration thing and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can use your voice to open and close the door.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, just you've never opened a fridge like
Speaker 1: it's like, finally a way to open the fridge.
Speaker 11: That's not the problem that needs solving.
Speaker 10: Their argument is like a, well, it's also been around it,
Speaker 10: like not like the voice element, but like didn't LG
Speaker 10: haven't they been showing fridges for years that have motion
Speaker 10: sensors if your hands.
Speaker 4: Like one of those things where it's like as an
Speaker 4: accessibility technology, it's probably existed for a long time, and
Speaker 4: now they're just sort of like people are forgetting how
Speaker 4: to open the fridge. It's one of the big problems
Speaker 4: face society.
Speaker 5: At home.
Speaker 6: Just imagine if we had a screen on the fridge
Speaker 6: that you could talk to and it would tell you
Speaker 6: what's inside, you don't.
Speaker 10: Ever have to I love I think you should leave
Speaker 10: like what exactly, I don't know what any of the exactly.
Speaker 11: I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I do love the ones where it's like we will
Speaker 1: find we use AI to tell you what's in your fridge.
Speaker 2: It's like fun, I had no idea something else I'll
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 11: No, I was gonna say.
Speaker 10: There are so many times when I overby because I'm
Speaker 10: at the store and I'm like, I'm probably low on this,
Speaker 10: but I don't know, so I do feel like that
Speaker 10: could be actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you send you're going to save five
Speaker 1: dollars on carrots.
Speaker 10: Then but then you end up with so many carrots
Speaker 10: and you're like, oh man, I bought too many carrots again.
Speaker 4: I have to feed them the thing that I keep
Speaker 4: on my counter that turns me into crembrew let.
Speaker 2: Somehow I love.
Speaker 1: That. Really, it does feel like there's a certain degree though,
Speaker 1: of just that they're like, what are human concerns? Well,
Speaker 1: there's poverty, and there's a living situation, and there's healthcare.
Speaker 2: Hmm, No, that's just how do you open a fridge?
Speaker 5: Would you like a butler?
Speaker 2: What is in fridge? Would you like a butler?
Speaker 1: Okay, so someone someone that can clean up for me
Speaker 1: and someone could do my laundry.
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, no, we can't do that.
Speaker 1: What if nano banana? All roads lead to Gemini? And
Speaker 1: it's just like I'm just I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing deep into the depths of this show and just
Speaker 1: being like, what what reason have you come up with?
Speaker 1: Like last year, I remember there was this air purifier
Speaker 1: with a big spike underneath him, and I walked up
Speaker 1: to the person. I'm like, what's with the spike and
Speaker 1: they took a second to register because no one had
Speaker 1: spoken to them in that manner, and they're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it's really obvious.
Speaker 2: I'm like sure, no, you'll never believe this. It's it's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's for dogs, Like what yeah, it was like it
Speaker 2: was a hair thing.
Speaker 5: I remember it was.
Speaker 1: It was an air purified well the dog and then
Speaker 1: they pust one or a cat could use it to
Speaker 1: scratch themselves.
Speaker 2: Am I just like do you have a dog?
Speaker 1: Like no, I'm like great, because well I don't know
Speaker 1: when like a dog's just walking around looking for places
Speaker 1: to scrap.
Speaker 5: Like it's just like someone who one time had their
Speaker 5: cat or dog go on the air purify're like wha
Speaker 5: yehoa whoa something for them?
Speaker 6: Do you ever know when inspirations a little weird?
Speaker 1: Though, it's also like, how do you scratch a cat? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm one of the most pleasant things in the world,
Speaker 1: is like panting a cat.
Speaker 11: It's like, nah, I don't want something that does that for.
Speaker 4: That's APEX level, like solving a problem that you don't
Speaker 4: have stuff. But it's like you're wasting too much time
Speaker 4: that you could be spending sending emails, and you don't
Speaker 4: touching your pet that you love.
Speaker 5: Don't want to you pet.
Speaker 6: I don't want to teach your kids how to play jazz,
Speaker 6: don't want to use your TV, don't don't want.
Speaker 2: To cut I don't want to That's time you could
Speaker 2: be on work calls. Yeah, but you know what, Actually,
Speaker 2: let's just imagine shareholder, your eyes on the price.
Speaker 1: What are you fucking doing when all of this stuff
Speaker 1: is automated, just sitting inert waiting for the next email.
Speaker 4: That's what we're having emotion brother, Yeah, I'm moving up
Speaker 4: the corporate ladder option.
Speaker 2: That's my slot machine spit like burps out puree.
Speaker 5: You're a zoom corn. It's the loudest background, you know.
Speaker 1: I got I got a Ninja creamy one of the
Speaker 1: worst name things of all time. And it is you
Speaker 1: feed stuff into it, you have to freeze it, and
Speaker 1: you turn it on and it makes.
Speaker 2: More noise than I have ever heard. Machine. No, it
Speaker 2: just makes ice cream that's like sometimes the right texture.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When I think of ice cream, I think of ice
Speaker 5: cream shops. It's never never heard loud noises.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so loud it sounds like it's.
Speaker 11: Everyone knows you're making ice cream.
Speaker 3: The first time I.
Speaker 2: Used to the third time today right there and it
Speaker 2: shapes violently. It's like, this is real.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's so loud.
Speaker 2: I remember the first time I to know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this must be something I looked on YouTube.
Speaker 1: This people being like, yeah, I've got the creamy on.
Speaker 1: It's like two hundred and fifty dollars. Just one of
Speaker 1: the many times the wallet inspector has visited me.
Speaker 5: You know that it was so loud and they were like,
Speaker 5: should be reduced, and they're like, nah.
Speaker 4: Fucking ice cream, these holes anything, no idea what these
Speaker 4: people are willing to put up with their little treats.
Speaker 1: And it's no, it's aimed at people who want to
Speaker 1: like lose weight. And okay, because you so you can
Speaker 1: make sugar free ice.
Speaker 4: Cream, okay, but it's like the makes ice cream so
Speaker 4: unpleasant to consider it.
Speaker 2: It's just like you have thinking like.
Speaker 4: Ice cream is when I have a headache really bad.
Speaker 2: No, I you know, I put it in another room.
Speaker 2: I closed the door.
Speaker 4: My kid was asleep.
Speaker 2: I had to move it.
Speaker 11: Like if there the ice cream room.
Speaker 6: Let me just think your kitchen now got to be
Speaker 6: in another room because they're so fucking yeah, we're just
Speaker 6: rufting the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: The only thing to that were like a drum set
Speaker 4: and a ninja creamy.
Speaker 2: List. Did you see anything else?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 2: Were they loud?
Speaker 4: Was the loudest gadget, the loudest gadget.
Speaker 11: Oh gosh, I don't know. It's I mean, it's always
Speaker 11: so loud. Just at ce S.
Speaker 10: Everybody's screaming everywhere, like chen, Like it's for everyone's shouting,
Speaker 10: like I can't hear myself.
Speaker 2: Think, I don't anyone's screaming, screaming trying.
Speaker 11: To film videos. It's like shouting over each other and
Speaker 11: trying to ask questions.
Speaker 4: Yea, the level of ambient noises, yeah, exactly. Although the
Speaker 4: other bit that I remember from I mean exactly love
Speaker 4: the experience. But last year going to the convention center,
Speaker 4: to the entire floor that was just like white label
Speaker 4: electronics from China's USB and it was silent, Yeah, totally,
Speaker 4: like you could hear the HVAC system going and like
Speaker 4: to hear the sound of someone sleeping softly in one
Speaker 4: of the booths, and that was it. They're both pretty unsettling, Honestly,
Speaker 4: if I had to shoot video. I would do it
Speaker 4: in the hall of USB cables, the whole of silence.
Speaker 4: Like I also don't want to go back there.
Speaker 1: It's great you go in there with the media badge
Speaker 1: and like everyone's like every head switches to look at you,
Speaker 1: like you've hit someone in marrow wind.
Speaker 2: Stop, citizen. Let me show you my.
Speaker 8: Every booth is.
Speaker 4: Trying to send you on the side class like I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't know to find the big l G things.
Speaker 2: Interested you got any ice cream machines that are very loud?
Speaker 2: Like no, but we have an LM for Pets sound device.
Speaker 1: LM for Pets was last year really disappointing because it
Speaker 1: was just like a health app versus something to translate
Speaker 1: my cat's noise.
Speaker 5: And when I.
Speaker 1: Posted about it, the company fucking emailed me. They were like, actually,
Speaker 1: please don't. I just was like, no, I'm not taking
Speaker 1: down my post. Fucking soup. I didn't say that, but
Speaker 1: if they being if I called my lore, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm being sued by an l M pets company, he
Speaker 1: would be like he would not be surprised.
Speaker 6: You got to send him a video of your cat
Speaker 6: knowing really aggressively.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me to Barb treats me with adoration.
Speaker 6: The only time my cats really get down like that
Speaker 6: is like if I sleep in and didn't feed them
Speaker 6: at six a m. You know, as opposed to seven a.
Speaker 2: My cats just graze.
Speaker 1: They happily graze, and they don't get fat too, they
Speaker 1: just perfect.
Speaker 10: The mine have started grazing, but they used to not,
Speaker 10: and they're still on the like oh my god, I
Speaker 10: need food right now kind of mindset. And then you
Speaker 10: give them their food and they're like, I'll have two
Speaker 10: bites and then Exactually sometimes they screamed.
Speaker 6: To make me watch them eat, and then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: what's up. You got your food, and then they started.
Speaker 1: I have seen a few links to like pets that
Speaker 1: people have here, Like I saw before the show there
Speaker 1: was this one that makes noise and peurs and is warm,
Speaker 1: which sounds like those ones.
Speaker 2: Again, not going to be cynical.
Speaker 1: About those, because there's old people who people with dementia
Speaker 1: who can't look after.
Speaker 2: A pet, except they made one that has needs as
Speaker 2: in like you have to like head.
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, so I get none of the
Speaker 1: benefits of a living creature, but most of the obligation.
Speaker 6: Something I don't think they'll have a CS, but I've
Speaker 6: been seeing New York vabes with Tomagachi in them that
Speaker 6: you have to keep hitting to keep them alive.
Speaker 4: Oh God, what would?
Speaker 2: What would?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because because the problem with vapes is people don't want
Speaker 1: to use the Yeah, we need to make nicotine more addictati.
Speaker 1: We're gamifying the addictions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, steal your friends vape and see what happens
Speaker 6: thirty seconds later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, killed it. They should have killed my VeVe.
Speaker 8: It's dead.
Speaker 2: I truly know someone who's very stone, just crying their
Speaker 2: eyes out. What did I do? I killed my vape
Speaker 2: and I can't find my keys? There in your hand.
Speaker 5: To help you process the death of your vape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be an interesting week here in
Speaker 1: Ces because I've been I've been trying.
Speaker 2: To like read it.
Speaker 1: Last year was just completely off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: or just made this up as I went along, no
Speaker 1: one knows. But this year I've like tried to read ahead, thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll catch it. No, it seems to be most of
Speaker 1: the stuff from last year again.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's hard to plan ahead for CS.
Speaker 10: Like. You can planned as much as you want, but
Speaker 10: then the thing that you planned for is going to
Speaker 10: end up to be really boring, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 10: chasing this other thing that heard of, like the omniverse.
Speaker 2: I'm a big omniverse head.
Speaker 1: There's a huge omniverse, and I was really happy to
Speaker 1: see the half an hour the Jensen Hwung spent talking
Speaker 1: about it today. Yeah. But yeah, it's just I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that I'm really if you easy a better offline, email
Speaker 1: me if you find any weird ship or if you
Speaker 1: want to just say, what was this bright and ice?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a lot of waves in my email. Thing. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's I hope that there's something weird. But I
Speaker 1: get the sense that this year just feels cobbled together
Speaker 1: in a very strange way. Like last year was not
Speaker 1: quite half hearted but off, but this one's just like
Speaker 1: a fucking AI.
Speaker 2: I guess are you on this? What are you looking
Speaker 2: forward to anything? Lisa, You've got anything fun?
Speaker 11: I mean, there's anything I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 10: I feel like I'm just kind of keeping an eye
Speaker 10: out for like what some of the smaller companies are
Speaker 10: doing in AI, because there's a couple of interesting I
Speaker 10: feel like one small trend I'm seeing a little bit
Speaker 10: already are like wearables that aren't actually for health tracking
Speaker 10: but are more for like life logging because like you
Speaker 10: press a button and it'll you know, you can talk
Speaker 10: into it and record a reminder or something like that.
Speaker 11: There's the new Pebble ring.
Speaker 4: Does that.
Speaker 11: I don't know if you guys saw at all, do
Speaker 11: you remember Pebble? Yeah, so they're they're back.
Speaker 10: They have Yeah, they were at CES unveiled last night
Speaker 10: and they had some new watches which were interesting. I
Speaker 10: didn't really look at those though, but I was really
Speaker 10: interested in this ring because again, it's just kind of
Speaker 10: like fun and different a health tracking one.
Speaker 11: No, it doesn't do any health tracking.
Speaker 10: It does one thing like it has a button on
Speaker 10: it and you can press it if you want to
Speaker 10: just like record a reminder or something that you want
Speaker 10: to remember later.
Speaker 11: Almost like a like a diary.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: It just recording.
Speaker 11: So there's I think some AI.
Speaker 10: That happens on the back end and in the app
Speaker 10: because it'll likerscribe to things that you record and whatnot.
Speaker 11: I just thought it was kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: How much is it?
Speaker 11: I think seventy five dollars or.
Speaker 2: Something like that, right, we're in the realm of not useless. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just I swear to God, I want one thing. I
Speaker 2: actually like it. This sh I'm not even trying to
Speaker 2: be a hate it. No, I do make my heart sing.
Speaker 2: Please look like a mechanical turk.
Speaker 5: That's what I would like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have some great news I one looked at.
Speaker 10: I haven't actually seen this yet, but have you guys
Speaker 10: heard about the clicks Communicator The.
Speaker 1: Michael Fisher's joining us Friday who it's both a creator
Speaker 1: and an innovator.
Speaker 2: But yes, the clicks Communicator. That's like, what does it do?
Speaker 2: It's like a little phone thing.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's supposed to be like a second phone.
Speaker 10: So if you want a phone just to like actually
Speaker 10: keep in touch with people and not to like fall
Speaker 10: down a rabbit hole, TikTok or Instagram or whatever, talk
Speaker 10: to Nano banana or whatever. You It has a built
Speaker 10: in keyboard. It kind of looks like a BlackBerry And yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean it runs on Android. I think, so you
Speaker 10: probably could do other things on it if.
Speaker 11: You really want to do so.
Speaker 4: You can send texts on it, but you can't do
Speaker 4: other stuff.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 10: I have not seen it yet. I was just kind
Speaker 10: of seeing it in the headlines. But since it runs
Speaker 10: on Android, presumably you can do other stuff on it.
Speaker 10: I think it's just designed to be like, hey, this
Speaker 10: has a smaller screen. There's a built in keyboard, you
Speaker 10: know something if you just want to actually talk to
Speaker 10: people and not you know, be immersed in a screen
Speaker 10: all day, every.
Speaker 2: Second and every psychosis induction device on your own time.
Speaker 4: But like this is a little bit quieter experience.
Speaker 10: I thought it was an interesting idea, and like it's
Speaker 10: being pitched as like a secondary phone almost like you
Speaker 10: know how we have work phones and personal phones.
Speaker 11: I guess in that case it would be a third phone.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna it's funny.
Speaker 1: I have Michael as a creative, but I'm just going
Speaker 1: to like bug him about his device this time.
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll listen to this, But Michael, let's
Speaker 2: once you quote coming, but then.
Speaker 1: We're going to wrap it there. Lisa ed A Chico
Speaker 1: at CNN, of course, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 11: Of course, thanks for having me Edwin and.
Speaker 2: Graiso Junior of the Tech Bubble and used that pleasure.
Speaker 1: And uh David Roth of Defectoryeah of course, and yeah,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have one more bit and then yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: be wrapped for the day. Thanks for listening everyone. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the next that is, but I fully
Speaker 1: endorse it. Welcome back to the Better off line coverage
Speaker 1: of the Consumer Electronic Show. We're back, folks, and this
Speaker 1: is the last part of this episode. But tomorrow we're
Speaker 1: gonna have two two hour episodes. It's going to be
Speaker 1: full of fun and laughs and giggles. Don't know why
Speaker 1: I'm making so much talking happening. That's normal ed anyway
Speaker 1: today enjoyed of course, by David Roth of Defector. Hello,
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Speaker 1: and mister Robert Evans, the magnificent Robert Evans of Behind
Speaker 1: the Bastards and it could happen here.
Speaker 4: Hello. So we're all doing that right, Yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Were just we were literally just talking about doing voices, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: which is culturally appropriating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are British people who get really offended by it.
Speaker 1: And it's so funny Oudea of a British person being like,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't be racist. You just say what
Speaker 1: to me?
Speaker 2: You haven't a laugh.
Speaker 14: There's there's a level of gerialism. And obviously Americans crossed
Speaker 14: this long ago where you can't get angry people making
Speaker 14: fun of the way you talk. Yeah, yeah, and this
Speaker 14: is still true of Italians. It's been two thousand years
Speaker 14: or whatever. I mean, it depends on when you call
Speaker 14: them fifteen hundred whatever, a thousand, depending on when you
Speaker 14: call the end of the Roman Empire. But you can
Speaker 14: still make fun of Italians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never racist.
Speaker 8: I saw that.
Speaker 2: It's true talking like that, Like was Julius getting stabbed? Like, hey,
Speaker 2: oh his last words were uf madone brutus, What are
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 12: I wish I knew any other Italian history, Like just
Speaker 12: like that's it. Caesar and Pasta. Caesar and Pasta supposed
Speaker 12: to it. You can make fun of British people as
Speaker 12: much as you won't. It's sure, you're welcome to. I
Speaker 12: get enough emails about it.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about consumer electronics and robot You were
Speaker 1: using an exoskeleton.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so, like a couple of weeks before we left
Speaker 14: for the show, this company, Hypershell reached out to me
Speaker 14: and said, hey, we make these different exoskeleton products. Several
Speaker 14: different companies have come out with them that are just
Speaker 14: now hitting. They've been in industrial uses for a while.
Speaker 14: There's been varying forms for really the last like ten
Speaker 14: or fifteen years that I've seen increasingly that are meant
Speaker 14: to do a mix of things. Some of them and
Speaker 14: initially these were very separate product categories. They are ones
Speaker 14: that were meant for people who were having mobility issues, right,
Speaker 14: to allow people with a disability to move more easily.
Speaker 14: And then there were ones that were more designed for
Speaker 14: industrial use. Right, Like, you have people working like an
Speaker 14: Amazon facility, and they're going to be lifting packages and
Speaker 14: walking them repeatedly, and you want something that reduces the
Speaker 14: stress to their body and thus reduces like workmen's comp cools.
Speaker 4: Right, So those are kind of like the two different.
Speaker 2: Of course, not for the humans, it's the workers. All right,
Speaker 2: we're back.
Speaker 1: We got disconnected due to the Amazon hit squad that
Speaker 1: was set in because we were discussing workers comp and
Speaker 1: while we were off micro discussing I do not think
Speaker 1: it's reasonable to suggest that every dog is a good boy.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should go it.
Speaker 2: Wow, I just don't just.
Speaker 4: Drop that just.
Speaker 2: I just want to just put this.
Speaker 4: We're also anxious to get back to telling every exoskeletons.
Speaker 4: Just see the ones that are active duty police officers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I got to walk by you at the airport,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We can't understand how dogs talk. We don't know what
Speaker 1: they're really thinking. So that's all I'm saying. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: just cursing anyway, exoskeletons back to you.
Speaker 4: Sure, yes, uh so yeah.
Speaker 14: I mean they reached out and asked if I wanted
Speaker 14: to try this thing at CES, because people walk around
Speaker 14: a lot at CES.
Speaker 2: I guess, uh.
Speaker 14: This is not really meant as a product for journalists
Speaker 14: who get their feets tired walking around to trade shows.
Speaker 4: It's mostly a blogging age.
Speaker 2: This is to help you blog finally, But I thought
Speaker 2: it was interesting. Like I'm I'm a nerd.
Speaker 14: I grew up playing Warhammer, so I'm interested in anything
Speaker 14: that is like a little step on the road to
Speaker 14: power armor, which was my immediate thought. It was like
Speaker 14: powered exoskeleton. I'm going to strap some body armor into
Speaker 14: this thing and say, oh, it works.
Speaker 5: So I did.
Speaker 4: I did that.
Speaker 14: I mean I played around with it at home. I've
Speaker 14: got like a sled that's like an exercise. It's like
Speaker 14: a sled that you load weights onto like push and
Speaker 14: to shove it because that's a thing that you can
Speaker 14: do to exercise. Yeah, And I threw on like my
Speaker 14: my level four plates on a vest and my helmet
Speaker 14: with earpro and stuff just like I don't know, twenty
Speaker 14: five pounds maybe of armor and loaded the sled up
Speaker 14: to about two hundred pounds and pushed and pulled it
Speaker 14: until I got to well. I did it first without
Speaker 14: any armor or with with armor on, but without the exoskeleton,
Speaker 14: to see how long I could go, and then I
Speaker 14: waited like a day or so to recover, and then
Speaker 14: I did it with the exoskeleton. I noticed, and I
Speaker 14: think this may just be down to how it works,
Speaker 14: because it's not meant for those motions. I noticed that
Speaker 14: when I was pushing it, I felt the machine assistance
Speaker 14: like pulling my legs effectively, but when I was pulling
Speaker 14: it backwards, I didn't really feel much of anything at all.
Speaker 14: So I think it may just be sort of a
Speaker 14: factor of like when the thing functions. But I didn't
Speaker 14: really notice a benefit from that. I have noticed it
Speaker 14: does seem to like you're exerting less when you're like
Speaker 14: running or walking on it, So I'm interested in how
Speaker 14: I feel I'm gonna tomorrow probably hump around like a
Speaker 14: backpack heavier than I would normally take and keep it
Speaker 14: on and see how that feels, and then probably do
Speaker 14: the same thing with like I don't know how else
Speaker 14: to do it as well, to do a control group experiment.
Speaker 14: It goes around, it fits around your hips and your
Speaker 14: like thighs. It ends right above the knee, and there's
Speaker 14: like a wasteband thing for it, and so it's just
Speaker 14: meant to kind of.
Speaker 4: Alleviate weight I think on your lower back and your legs.
Speaker 14: Like They've got some statistics that they have on their
Speaker 14: website that I have no idea how I would begin
Speaker 14: to verify, and I don't even know like how you
Speaker 14: would verify stuff like a four. Well, I see, like
Speaker 14: they say there's like a forty two percent decrease in
Speaker 14: the average heart rate of people using it.
Speaker 4: That's measurable.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but there's like a thirty percent decrease in physical exertion.
Speaker 14: I'm not fully sure how you.
Speaker 2: Say all the classic metrics, right, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: And how hard is it?
Speaker 14: Yeah, And they're saying it's something like a forty percent
Speaker 14: reduction in like how much like you weight that you
Speaker 14: feel basically, so theoretically you could carry a load that's
Speaker 14: fifty percent heavier or carry your additional load with like
Speaker 14: about half the strain, right, Like that's kind of the
Speaker 14: claim that they're making. This thing is supposed to have
Speaker 14: like a thirty kilometer battery range when walking. Now there's
Speaker 14: different settings, including like an echo and a power one.
Speaker 14: You can up or down the like intensity the power
Speaker 14: of the assistance motors. So I assume that decreases substantially
Speaker 14: when you've got it on like level four, because it
Speaker 14: goes from one to four, But I have not used
Speaker 14: it enough to like determine.
Speaker 2: That that's exciting though.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a cool product idea I've tested. I think
Speaker 14: they emailed me because I've tried some of these previous ces.
Speaker 14: Is just like walking around at the actual booths. It's
Speaker 14: a really cool idea both for people who actually have
Speaker 14: like a physical disability, and you know, obviously none of
Speaker 14: these companies are interested in stuff like this for people
Speaker 14: who are working in factories for their own sake. But
Speaker 14: if it does reduce the amount of wear and tear
Speaker 14: on human bodies, that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got fucked up ankle. It sounds kind of nice.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's so I'm interested in how well it actually
Speaker 14: works for that, and I'm not like Hypershell has been
Speaker 14: nice to me. I'm hoping that the product works well,
Speaker 14: but I simply don't have enough time with it.
Speaker 2: How much do the cost it varies?
Speaker 14: Their lowest version costs like nine hundred bucks. The one
Speaker 14: they sent me it costs about two thousand. But three
Speaker 14: years ago or so, I think we were looking at
Speaker 14: like five to ten grand for most of these. So
Speaker 14: does the cheap prices have been coming.
Speaker 4: Down a lot?
Speaker 2: And what makes the more expensive? Way? Is it big
Speaker 2: battery or something?
Speaker 4: I think bigger battery.
Speaker 14: They the one of the upgrade versions says carbon, So
Speaker 14: I'm guessing some of them are carbon fiber and some aren't.
Speaker 4: Mine definitely is.
Speaker 14: But yeah, so I think it's just a matter of
Speaker 14: like what kind of extras there are on it. But
Speaker 14: the prices have been decreasing pretty substantially, And from the
Speaker 14: reading I have done for previous years, there does seem
Speaker 14: to be some evidence that some products in this category
Speaker 14: do reduce like strain and injury for people who are
Speaker 14: working doing jobs where you're like lifting and carrying stuff,
Speaker 14: so I you know, I think there's some evidence to
Speaker 14: be optimistic here. I'm interested in how well I don't
Speaker 14: actually think a convention is the best way to test
Speaker 14: a product like this out, but I understand why hyper
Speaker 14: Shell's doing it that way, right, and I'm sure other
Speaker 14: companies in the space are because like it at least
Speaker 14: gives you a situation where journalists are going to be
Speaker 14: walking around a while and can try it out. So
Speaker 14: I'll see how I think about it. But I am
Speaker 14: most interested in, like, can I make me into a
Speaker 14: space marine?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And I mean that's the ultimate of course.
Speaker 1: This is is interesting because we spent most of the
Speaker 1: rest of the episode just saying nothing feels new. Everything's
Speaker 1: kind of just a series of different like coming up
Speaker 1: with reasons to buy stuff that don't actually appear to
Speaker 1: be human.
Speaker 2: This is strangely useful just what used to.
Speaker 4: It's kind of thing.
Speaker 14: I'm always most interested in n acees, and that never
Speaker 14: makes it more than like ten percent of the products
Speaker 14: you see where it's like, well, this is like a
Speaker 14: cool thing that I've known we'd eventually make as a
Speaker 14: species at some point, Like we all knew they're going
Speaker 14: to have robot exoskeletons someday.
Speaker 4: Be hoping for like it's it's it's not like I
Speaker 4: had the right, Yeah exactly. It really seemed like they
Speaker 4: were cutting corners. Remember how wet that ship was. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of issues there.
Speaker 14: Although I think no Struma was the first one, and
Speaker 14: I forget what the Sulaco was. The second was the
Speaker 14: marine ship. Uh, people will get angry at us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my regrets the error. Yeah, I apologize to alien.
Speaker 4: A flight right now to fight you. I can't even
Speaker 4: argue with.
Speaker 1: Him, just luckily with landlocked. Otherwise he come with us
Speaker 1: from the sea.
Speaker 4: His greatest power is does involve the ocean?
Speaker 6: Yeah, right from the like like Aquaman's with the newest movies,
Speaker 6: looking at that.
Speaker 4: Right rising from one of the canals that the Venetian
Speaker 4: and absolutely beating that ass exit running like one of
Speaker 4: the Yeah, I'm just like, you're such a visionaries are
Speaker 4: like whatever you see.
Speaker 2: Fish to do. He's a pro AI guy though, he's got.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I think he's he's he made the
Speaker 14: statement that I think a lot of older guys in
Speaker 14: Hollywood are making without really thinking it through, which is like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 14: I'm sure it has some applications that I want to explore,
Speaker 14: and I'm thinking about like the broader socio cultural things
Speaker 14: that are going on with AI.
Speaker 4: He's just accurately being like, yeah, it's got some uses.
Speaker 4: I'll look into it.
Speaker 10: You know it.
Speaker 4: For me to almost drown an actress, and I'm like, yeah, what.
Speaker 2: Can most effectively let me nearly kill that? Harris?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is AI going to revolutionize my ability to.
Speaker 2: At least didn't do?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 5: And that tells me to do?
Speaker 1: Natasha Leone, who is like here, David Lynch love this?
Speaker 3: That may be.
Speaker 2: No. I was saying the other day that.
Speaker 1: Media stuff doesn't usually enrage me that much. But if
Speaker 1: I fucking hear about Twin Peaks, put it in through
Speaker 1: the up.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna use nano banana.
Speaker 4: A different pro cool.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see nano banana makes your heart
Speaker 2: or die.
Speaker 5: It would be would be heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: No, No, anyone who if you'll try to remake Twin Peaks,
Speaker 1: I will make war with you. I'll tell every media
Speaker 1: property I have against the new season. I haven't finished season,
Speaker 1: so you don't.
Speaker 2: I've always thought that the real problem with Twin Peaks
Speaker 2: was there wearing no do back.
Speaker 14: Lizards like moving around in the background, and there's there's
Speaker 14: a couple of scenes that could really used an ATS tea.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm on the same page Bob shot.
Speaker 4: First way, I think it's good that the Duffer brothers.
Speaker 2: Someone.
Speaker 4: But this is something that I've been laughing about for
Speaker 4: like two days. I did not watch The Stranger Things
Speaker 4: the last season, so I haven't watched the last I
Speaker 4: guess four or five seasons.
Speaker 2: I just called it Things.
Speaker 4: But the someone pointed out that all the effects in
Speaker 4: the finale look like the Tried So Hard video by
Speaker 4: Lincoln the Yark.
Speaker 2: It's funny to me.
Speaker 1: It's that and the corn corn as well, Yes, falling
Speaker 1: away from me. I saw a clip from that and
Speaker 1: it looked it looked really a bad but it was
Speaker 1: like one of them jumping and punching a big horrible
Speaker 1: CGI aliens throw and it's just like, doesn't this show
Speaker 1: have the budget of like Ethiopia's GDP or something, and
Speaker 1: it looks like dog shit. It's so I love slought
Speaker 1: and people like, well, this is just the preparing to
Speaker 1: give you l No, it's not, It's just fucking Netflix.
Speaker 2: It's just Netflix destroying money. We aren't you excited they're
Speaker 2: about to acquire Warner Brothers.
Speaker 4: Fucking just yeah cool.
Speaker 14: I don't know, like I haven't seen the New Stranger Things,
Speaker 14: because after season one I was like, I think I'm good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was about what I wanted to Yeah. I
Speaker 4: didn't mind it either. It was we never even talked
Speaker 4: about watching Into the House like a second season.
Speaker 14: Good for them, good yeah kids. Yeah, I'm glad they're
Speaker 14: getting their their their bag. I'm not interested here.
Speaker 1: Most of the current season is apparently just like twenty
Speaker 1: one people in a room standing around folding their arms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so like Avengers.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, get them in an airplane hangar, put them
Speaker 4: in a motion capture seat, and then have them talk
Speaker 4: about what just just a big bill we can get
Speaker 4: them in.
Speaker 1: We're talking about real things. We as we were discussing
Speaker 1: the episode, we saw the Jensen Huong thing. Robert, you
Speaker 1: missed nothing, You missed it. Yeah, you're talking about the
Speaker 1: in vidio keynote speech. Yeah, and that I thought was tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you really missed nothing though, And I went,
Speaker 1: I kind of mentioned this at the beginning. I went
Speaker 1: and I looked, and the six New trips. They announced
Speaker 1: all announced in like either June, October or November, like
Speaker 1: they're all old. Then you see it again for the
Speaker 1: first time they knew.
Speaker 5: This is the first time they've been together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like they're actually making one of them.
Speaker 4: Did you see that on the video that they're making it.
Speaker 2: They're actually going to manufacturing and manufactured, it's in production.
Speaker 1: It's like, and I just saw before we went on
Speaker 1: that A m D had and really just supported. Greg
Speaker 1: Brockman for the COO of Open AI went on, it's
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 5: They went on.
Speaker 1: They did this big fucking speech about how oh, just
Speaker 1: like compute as the new oil or something. Just blow
Speaker 1: my brains out whenever I hear it's it's a great
Speaker 1: it's so fucking cool. But what's great about it, though,
Speaker 1: is like they didn't talk about the fact that they
Speaker 1: meant to build a gigawat of data centers by the
Speaker 1: end of this fucking year.
Speaker 2: It's just like, it's just the farce we talk about
Speaker 2: that again. Yeah, we don't need we don't need to
Speaker 2: talk about the thing. We three.
Speaker 5: You're you're a Sixers fan, now trytuf.
Speaker 4: Right, you're locked in.
Speaker 2: Who's the James Harden commit to like, oh no, no,
Speaker 2: that's Jay Peric. He got five. He moved from No
Speaker 2: j Peric.
Speaker 1: He went from uh lace Works, a company that was
Speaker 1: most famous for buying thirty thousand dollars worth of lou
Speaker 1: Lemon gift cards to get people to use their software,
Speaker 1: to Meta to Microsoft to run their AI group.
Speaker 2: Like that's the James hard to do anything. But he doesn't.
Speaker 1: But you don't have anyone who like stropoly quits. We
Speaker 1: don't have any like people like that. That's what we needed.
Speaker 4: We need more like characters Ben Simmons. We need a
Speaker 4: bench well, I mean that's like I'm not taking layups.
Speaker 2: That's beneath me. I don't do that anymore. It's Ben Simmons.
Speaker 2: That's like the three Basketball listeners. Sorry, they just fucking
Speaker 2: love it. Happened to the strong, loud type like Steve Bomber.
Speaker 4: That's what we need. Yes, somebody that I honestly had
Speaker 4: that when we were watching watching one, Like, I know
Speaker 4: how much more energy can be involved in this. He's
Speaker 4: not even sweating a little bit.
Speaker 1: If I had billions of dollars, I would be fucking
Speaker 1: losing it up that I'd be going inside be like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't do anything to me, buy this, buy this
Speaker 1: entype place. But yeah, it's it was so limb, it
Speaker 1: was so sad. It's like they barely seem to be
Speaker 1: fucking trying anymore.
Speaker 14: Well, what is there for in Vidio to really say
Speaker 14: it a keynote? Right, Like, it's not their products are
Speaker 14: really exciting two people who are in like the business
Speaker 14: of utilizing them, but it's not like a consumer product
Speaker 14: that they're hyping up right now.
Speaker 1: This was a lot of analysts and media and such,
Speaker 1: and it had there was a line out the door.
Speaker 2: Because they're making all the money in the world.
Speaker 4: That's what's exciting. Yeah, I think that was the little
Speaker 4: bit from the guy that I talked to was sitting
Speaker 4: next to me. It was just like part of it
Speaker 4: was like you just wanted to be in a room
Speaker 4: with a guy rich. Yeah, like not even in like
Speaker 4: a way that I'm like mixing. He's just like I've
Speaker 4: never been in a room with a guy that's rich before.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Like you're in Vegas, go to a strip club, like.
Speaker 14: Like that's the beauty of Vegas. If you stay up
Speaker 14: late enough, you will get to watch a Saudi shake. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 14: it was thirty dollars a crab.
Speaker 2: Stay.
Speaker 1: Just go to as table in like the Venetian Lot,
Speaker 1: So you will run into someone with too much money
Speaker 1: if that's really what you desire.
Speaker 2: But no, I mean I saw John McCain wants in
Speaker 2: the Venetian wild Cut.
Speaker 1: But that's like but otherwise it's just people that shouldn't
Speaker 1: have that much money that you've never met.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just burning it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe didn't you have a lot of money. It
Speaker 5: wasn't his wife.
Speaker 4: His wife is very rich.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 4: Crazy. Now I think it's like I think it's like
Speaker 4: regional liquor wholesale money, like one of those like classic
Speaker 4: American gentry things where it's like kinds. Yeah, no, that's
Speaker 4: John Carrey's.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, the hides.
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know people get rich anymore.
Speaker 1: John McCain is a fur trap I look forward to
Speaker 1: the CS fur trapping section.
Speaker 4: I prefer that background for him.
Speaker 2: I would love it if there's a.
Speaker 12: Kidnapped by beavers in the middle of the fair trapping expedition.
Speaker 4: They tortured him for five years.
Speaker 5: They don't like what we're doing. Not happy with it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the word Vitnam was really just.
Speaker 6: Ugorging and ripping up those damn that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Oh, I wish tech was actually this fun though, because
Speaker 1: it's just like Greg Brockman going and talking to Lisa
Speaker 1: SuperM AMD just fucking just wobbling around, mumbling shit about
Speaker 1: compute and data centers that they can't build because they
Speaker 1: don't have credit.
Speaker 14: Like what is there exciting to say other than look
Speaker 14: at how much money we're worth and look at how
Speaker 14: much money we're making.
Speaker 2: But that was the thing with m video.
Speaker 1: They didn't talk about any any products, Like they didn't
Speaker 1: even talk about their own products. It's like it's the
Speaker 1: most egregious cafe I've ever seen because gone to the head.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these that's not a threat
Speaker 1: gone to the head. I don't think these people are
Speaker 1: like actually have an answer.
Speaker 14: No, I mean because it's like there's not a solution
Speaker 14: financially to the sheer of money that's been invested, and
Speaker 14: like in Vidia is in the enviable position of like
Speaker 14: there the money they've made is like real people are
Speaker 14: actually buying chips that they made, but the industry supporting it.
Speaker 14: There's a lot of vapor and everyone's kind of aware
Speaker 14: that like at some point it's going to come crashing
Speaker 14: down to earth. And we had like a reality check
Speaker 14: in the last quarter of last year on Nvidiot, not
Speaker 14: all the way down, but like their their bubble got
Speaker 14: certainly deflated partially, and there's I think a growing awareness that, like, well,
Speaker 14: whatever happens with this, you know, even if the bubble
Speaker 14: never pops, even if AI doesn't like get sort of
Speaker 14: punctured in the way that people, including a lot of us,
Speaker 14: think it's going to in, Nvidia is not going to
Speaker 14: keep riding this high forever.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, there's not a graceful way for
Speaker 4: them to deal with that, but they're trying.
Speaker 1: They're trying doing this thing called the omnibus. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's called the omniverse. They're calling it the omniverse.
Speaker 5: We love the omniverse.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's this whole bullshit thing. World
Speaker 1: Models is another thing. It's just a made up thing
Speaker 1: for will do simulations using GPUs now have to be.
Speaker 2: Confused with the metaverse, which is very different.
Speaker 4: This is Weir's.
Speaker 1: It reminds me this is a really deep cunt and
Speaker 1: anyone who remembers this please email me. There's a thing
Speaker 1: called the DC did called death Metal, where like the
Speaker 1: Batman who laughs, who's a joke of Batman?
Speaker 2: Just best to get past that.
Speaker 1: There's a bit in it where they meet a guy
Speaker 1: from there's a thing above the multiverse called the omniverse
Speaker 1: and he's just guy with the pumpkinhead and I remember
Speaker 1: reading the Omniverse and that it's just being like fuck off,
Speaker 1: just fucking and then but what it is is they
Speaker 1: buy compute from like Microsoft or Meta or sorry Microsoft,
Speaker 1: Google or Amazon and then rent it to people so
Speaker 1: they can run simulations using their Omniverse software. The information
Speaker 1: credit to them put out story today just being like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not making any money and everyone hates it. And
Speaker 1: it was the first just half of a two hour
Speaker 1: long presentation and they're just like they've put it really well.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, here's a bunch of stuff. If
Speaker 2: we could do this, how goold would that be?
Speaker 1: And it's like none of it's real, right, it's so cool,
Speaker 1: And I think what they're trying to do is be like, look,
Speaker 1: you bought all these GPOs, what if you could do this,
Speaker 1: Well you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't do that.
Speaker 1: We cannot do this, but what if you could And
Speaker 1: it was so straight because everyone was you could hear
Speaker 1: people coughing in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people leave it people. Actually it was.
Speaker 1: Really strange, and then there was a tiny bit of
Speaker 1: AI stuff. It's really truly bizarre.
Speaker 4: I mean, it does feel like.
Speaker 14: People are starting to get sort of fed up with
Speaker 14: the lack the things that have not materialized that should
Speaker 14: have buy now. Yeah right, And I find you get
Speaker 14: a lot of you get a lot of pushback if
Speaker 14: you're like this is fake and this is bullshit, which
Speaker 14: is like my emotional opinion. But you get a lot
Speaker 14: less pushback if you're like, I just don't see how
Speaker 14: this can be worth as much money as it needs
Speaker 14: to be industry, and that you get a pretty broad
Speaker 14: agreement of like yeah, something like there's something fucky with that.
Speaker 2: That was the bit that I wound up coming out
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: Like, I think the big feeling that I felt afterwards,
Speaker 4: beyond like bored and hungry, was that, like I felt
Speaker 4: kind of sad about it because it's like it's clear
Speaker 4: that there's like there is all of this capacity to
Speaker 4: do all of this like computational stuff that you couldn't
Speaker 4: really do before. But there's not any sense of like
Speaker 4: what that's for or what you're going to do.
Speaker 14: It's just computer psych Well, and I think, and this
Speaker 14: is me, there's a degree to which I'm not even
Speaker 14: fully confident what I'm saying here, but I get.
Speaker 2: The sports ter go off.
Speaker 14: I get the feeling, and have read some accounts that
Speaker 14: make me believe that there are applications for a lot
Speaker 14: of this, a lot of like a what gets broadly
Speaker 14: lumped in on as AI in like different kinds of
Speaker 14: like medical.
Speaker 4: Science exactly, and nothing that's going to make this company
Speaker 4: worth fifteen trillion dollars or whatever.
Speaker 2: And nothing that does anything on it. It's not the
Speaker 2: AI will come up with the medicine.
Speaker 14: It's like, no, the AI is capable of like brute
Speaker 14: forcing its way through analyte doing a lot of like
Speaker 14: theoretical tests or analyzing like a huge amount of data.
Speaker 14: And if you build a model specifically to deal with
Speaker 14: like this kind of medical data, that it can be
Speaker 14: a time saving tool that allows you to do other things,
Speaker 14: which is not a sexy thing. And the way that
Speaker 14: like AI is going to cure cancer is and it's
Speaker 14: not sexy to be like, well, AI will allow us
Speaker 14: to prototype more efficiently different kinds of like materials to
Speaker 14: make holes of spacecraft out of, and maybe that will
Speaker 14: speed up the process of developing these things, which is
Speaker 14: like a thing that theoretically might happen, and that's not
Speaker 14: as sexy as like AI is going to figure out
Speaker 14: how to take us into space.
Speaker 2: And this conversation is.
Speaker 4: Also so fucking old at this point, right, that bit
Speaker 4: of it where it's sort of like I'm so aware
Speaker 4: of the thing where it's like it's going to be
Speaker 4: able to think for itself and it's going to like
Speaker 4: fix We're not going to need to have jobs anymore, right,
Speaker 4: And then like eventually like you work your way back
Speaker 4: from that to like protein folding. Right, I don't know
Speaker 4: what protein folding is. Apparently AI is extremely good at sure,
Speaker 4: but it's like you can't talk about that because nobody
Speaker 4: knows what protein folding is. But when you talk about
Speaker 4: the other shit, it makes me, for one thing, doubt
Speaker 4: that it's any good at protein folding.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: You know it's because protein folding is a totally like
Speaker 1: it's not even LLM drew, it's not even GPU's machine
Speaker 1: learning shit. Yeah, And it's the thing is with it,
Speaker 1: like the medical example as well. They're doing that already. Again,
Speaker 1: it's only kind of lllms, but not really. And it's
Speaker 1: just to your point about we've had this one before.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I heard this conversation lot, not even
Speaker 1: from us, like I've heard some version of this. Were
Speaker 1: sitting around being like, yeah, you know it might be
Speaker 1: good for this when because before the Nvidio thing, we
Speaker 1: had this panel with these people who were just saying
Speaker 1: stuff that slowly was driving me insane and I was
Speaker 1: getting ready. I was I eventually just started muttering to
Speaker 1: myself like.
Speaker 2: A crazy person.
Speaker 1: But there was just the CEO of a Bridge, which
Speaker 1: is an AI scribe for doctors.
Speaker 2: You're saying, a bridge, how did you get that job?
Speaker 2: Just a single bridge?
Speaker 1: And he kept trying to sell me yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was just talking about just would salad on wood salad,
Speaker 1: trying to get around the fact that his AI just
Speaker 1: transcribes what doc to.
Speaker 2: Say, and it's just like, who fucking can't.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, it's one of those things where it's like
Speaker 4: I think doctors would like that, but you can't. For
Speaker 4: his business to be worth which I believe you looked
Speaker 4: it up, was like five billion dollars, yeah, five point
Speaker 4: five billion. It's like, in order for it to work,
Speaker 4: it also has to like to justify that valuation. It
Speaker 4: has to make evaluations like no doctor wants it to
Speaker 4: fucking do that. They're doctors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's just it's almost cliche. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: being forced into anything.
Speaker 14: I was mentioning on the earliest, like Microsoft today it's
Speaker 14: no longer office, it's co pilot.
Speaker 4: Like, fuck you.
Speaker 14: I how many times that I said, no, I'm not
Speaker 14: using co pilot. You're trying to force me.
Speaker 4: That's amazing that they just like they've got such a
Speaker 4: bet on their hands that they're like, uh, the Batman.
Speaker 2: Movies are now the Avengers or whatever. It's like to
Speaker 2: some other like Google did that already.
Speaker 1: They changed Google Assistant to Google Gemini, and they're like
Speaker 1: four hundred million activities.
Speaker 14: And they're going to do the same thing with fucking
Speaker 14: co pilot, where it's like, look at all these people
Speaker 14: know we're all using fucking word and Excel.
Speaker 1: Well, what's funny, though, is they're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to do that because I have fucking Microsoft's numbers,
Speaker 1: I have Microsoft's revenues.
Speaker 2: I'm coming out with at the end of January. Frank,
Speaker 2: sure you fucking wants some email me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I already have hub Copilo's revenue to fucker
Speaker 1: like that's the thing like these I'm fucking sick of
Speaker 1: this because people are being lied to, not just doing
Speaker 1: an episode of but I guess this is the showm recording.
Speaker 2: But it's just walking around hearing they put.
Speaker 1: The thing that made me actually snap on their trip
Speaker 1: was they put Nano Banana in a television and I'm just.
Speaker 2: Look, you get a Cobert what is it's a three
Speaker 2: straight episodes.
Speaker 1: It's an image generate a model from Google that they
Speaker 1: called the World's dumbest fucking name because they insist on
Speaker 1: making me literally its name Yanana Banana and Nana Banana
Speaker 1: proa and.
Speaker 4: None of ban television.
Speaker 2: They should make up the version that you have to
Speaker 2: pay for. It should just have a normal.
Speaker 5: Nan no Banana pro three plus.
Speaker 1: I think it's just it just shows loathing for the customer,
Speaker 1: like you little anything, Nano you fucking pigs.
Speaker 14: I think they're probably it's probably jealousy and some fomo
Speaker 14: at Elon musk Warble, he gives his stuff really funny stupid.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why that's the secret. Maybe we'll get some
Speaker 4: of that epic two. Yeah yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: Maybe they can copy the other things.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 2: Plus plus yeah Mercedes, oh yeah yeah. They had a
Speaker 2: whole thing with a panel with Mercedes.
Speaker 1: And this guy from Skilled AI who was like one robot,
Speaker 1: one brain, one purpose or some.
Speaker 4: One was also sitting up there he was.
Speaker 1: It was just one panel. It was just of just people,
Speaker 1: just like all in varying stages of concussion protocol, just
Speaker 1: like just like saying ship to each other and Sarah
Speaker 1: grow the specie spent. So when AI is powerful and
Speaker 1: large language models, would that be interesting? And the guy
Speaker 1: going I agree, they would be powerful and indeed in robots.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was just in and people around's going yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah that is.
Speaker 6: I loved that little chat when this was going on,
Speaker 6: where the guy was like, you know, we're making bass
Speaker 6: layers by watching oh yeah yeah and then practicing. That's
Speaker 6: how you learned to do any real task. Aus everyone knows,
Speaker 6: and it's just you watch a YouTube video of three
Speaker 6: thousand times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just I can't think of any other run now
Speaker 2: and base layering.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm watching Jamal Crawford, the sickest buckets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty two minutes.
Speaker 5: I'm watching un Expected lebron edits five minutes.
Speaker 1: It's just so strange as well, because I've been fucked
Speaker 1: with a lot in my life.
Speaker 2: It just feels like we're being fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like a weird we're not even ConA this,
Speaker 1: but just like everyone's just like this taunting.
Speaker 14: Yeah, something that's so dispiriting is that, like I can
Speaker 14: tell you're not even you're you're past the point where
Speaker 14: you think you have to even work to life, Like
Speaker 14: you're just being lazy, like we all know everyone, like
Speaker 14: the majority of people found copalad annoying and said no repeatedly.
Speaker 14: And you want to be able to claim everyone using
Speaker 14: an office product is using AI to trick your shareholders.
Speaker 14: So you're just fucking changing it and like there's nothing,
Speaker 14: there's not any more thought to it than that you're
Speaker 14: not at all scared of regulators. You don't give a
Speaker 14: fuck about what the people paying to use your product.
Speaker 14: And that's just it's dispiriting because like, yeah, there is
Speaker 14: nothing I can do right, Like I could I could
Speaker 14: switch my operator my my like uh my word processor,
Speaker 14: I guess and probably will at some point this year.
Speaker 14: It just means embracing a pain in the ass of
Speaker 14: like switching a bunch of stuff around. But at this
Speaker 14: point I think it's worth it because I'm an annoyed
Speaker 14: at you, like you've annoyed me enough, and I don't
Speaker 14: think that's going to impact Microsoft's bottom line. I don't
Speaker 14: think enough people are going to switch for it to matter.
Speaker 14: It's just again dispiriting.
Speaker 2: Also, no one's gonna call it co Pilot.
Speaker 4: They're gonna call it a name.
Speaker 2: They're gonna call it Microsoft Office because you're going to
Speaker 2: say it to like a grandma word using fucking COVID dipship.
Speaker 1: It is so cool we now have software that's deliberately annoying.
Speaker 1: It's just like, hey, hey, do you want to you
Speaker 1: want to use co pilot?
Speaker 2: You want to you want this?
Speaker 5: To write it?
Speaker 2: I'm fucking writing it. I'm writing it. Please leave me alone. No,
Speaker 2: I use Apple Notes now, not because I like it,
Speaker 2: but because it doesn't just.
Speaker 5: Document.
Speaker 14: The problem is every big player in consumer technology right
Speaker 14: now has attained and is expressing the exact vibes of
Speaker 14: like a guy that you would cover your drink around. Yeah, right,
Speaker 14: where it's like they're just it's just this constant pressure
Speaker 14: and const like hey, hey, hey, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 14: once you come sit with me, I'm just gonna sit
Speaker 14: down next I'm just gonna hang out with you. Like
Speaker 14: it's it's this, I've said no so many times and
Speaker 14: you are not at all listening. And that's how using
Speaker 14: technology feels.
Speaker 4: And I hate it.
Speaker 1: I mean that is and that's a good good way
Speaker 1: to kind of like wrap up the episode as well.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what the theme of CE as
Speaker 1: opposed to be this year. It's just like obtrusive stuff.
Speaker 1: How like the I know I keep saying no, no,
Speaker 1: no banana. The reason this has driven me insane is
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't need the TV to generate images.
Speaker 2: I'm watching the television and.
Speaker 4: You try it, Yeah, maybe you like it? What TV
Speaker 4: was a computer too, though I do nan banana.
Speaker 2: Pro offers many features that aren't available.
Speaker 1: Not a banana con generate of winning. It's just like
Speaker 1: not aa like. And also, what kind of fucking freak
Speaker 1: is sitting there being like I want my television to
Speaker 1: generate an image.
Speaker 2: No, if you try and do that, your television should break.
Speaker 14: Yes, hey, I know you're putting on a torrented copy
Speaker 14: of Star Trek the Next Generation to watch while you
Speaker 14: cry yet again, what if rakers?
Speaker 4: Dick was out fucking freaks Google, but that wol that
Speaker 4: get you to start saying Gemini.
Speaker 2: If for that.
Speaker 4: During emotional blackmail and it's wrong.
Speaker 1: And before we wrap as well, Robert I have said
Speaker 1: this earlier in the episode as well, But there was
Speaker 1: a bit where in video as Jensen one was talking
Speaker 1: to two robots just like and he was like, this
Speaker 1: is how we make you this from And it turns
Speaker 1: out it was from like the Fallen Order, like the
Speaker 1: second of the games with cocasts with the yeah, with
Speaker 1: the guy from what Shameless?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is Shameless, the Joker, the Joker, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 1: And it's like I did not I'm a big Star
Speaker 1: Wars head, but of like the actual Star Wars stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, and how much did you pay
Speaker 1: like a million dollars for that? But you know that
Speaker 1: they were like, what's the cheapest one, what's the.
Speaker 4: Cheap get one of the games?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get one.
Speaker 4: We'll give you one of the what's that game from
Speaker 4: the N sixty four A game? I bet he's cheap.
Speaker 2: Kyle Katan.
Speaker 1: Just immediately, don't remember anything but Kyle Katan. Oh.
Speaker 2: Let's sign off from there.
Speaker 1: All right, David Rath, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: us to be here from Defector. We'll have you in
Speaker 1: the episode. Notes Robert Evans, You'll be back.
Speaker 4: Will be back, Yeah, I'll be here all week.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and Edwin and Graso Junior who also be
Speaker 2: hit all week.
Speaker 5: I will, I will.
Speaker 1: And then to wrap the episode, so before we go,
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Speaker 1: used to have this suite and have journals come in
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Speaker 2: We did this.
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