WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part One (Monday) 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Also media, beloved by some, hated by many, chosen by God, 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.760 and perfected by science. I'm ed Zitron and it's time 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:24.720 for the better offline CS experience. We're back for our 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.960 second goddamn year. Welcome to this year's incredible coverage of 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.960 the Las Vegas based Consumer Electronic Show. And I'm sitting 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.279 in the Palazzo Hotel and we've got a fully stocked bar, 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.000 tarcos and the love and warmth that only comes from 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.319 the power of friendship. We're going to be here all week, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:40.960 bringing you the news and views from the inns of 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.800 the tech industry's largest conference, each day with a rotating 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.519 cast of incredible people across multiple thirty minute blocks. My bartender, 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.239 Phil Broughton will keep me liquid, my producer Matttersowski will 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.160 keep me sane, and my editor Matt Hughes will feed 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.560 me stories along with my guests from the show floor 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.840 and my own goddamn eyes. Now, our first contestants are, 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.600 of course, the wonderful mister Edward I Guiso, Hello, my friends, 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.639 how are you doing? And he writes the wonderful tech 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.000 Bubble newsletter, And of course David Roth of Defector, who's 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:07.720 joining us today. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.319 Hey, how's it going? Hell? Yeah? And Matt Bender of 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.120 Mashaball welcome back. Man. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.039 Hey, it's great to be here. This is like an 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:15.880 annual thing now you years in a row. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:16.440 It's tensual. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.920 Yeah, it counts, It counts. So today I thought the 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.240 show floor was open and it wasn't, but that just 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.240 meant that. Ed David and I went to watch the 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:31.400 Jensen Wog CS keynote, and I must say I have 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.720 watched some shit in my time, and I was I 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.280 was quite I was quite bored, but not because I 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.640 didn't understand. I was bored because I did understand. I 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.399 was sitting there just doing what no what. There were 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.880 things he said during it that did not make sense. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.240 Yeah, you were bored and upset, and I was bored 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.440 and bored, which is an important distinction. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.040 Credit Now, for those of you who actually want content 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.240 about the about the keynote, don't expect that. Do not 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.520 expect that at all, because Jensen Wong did not actually 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.480 announce anything new, six new vera Ruben GPU, They're all. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.480 Every single thing he announced today was either three or 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.480 six months old. Even the video of the dorky robot 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.960 inside this thing called the omniverse. Yeah, the omniverse, by 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.280 the way, and Eda is just looking at me, just 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.639 like just like, just like, oh god, the omniverse is 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:25.240 in videos little simulation space for robots and imagination station. Yes, 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.000 and yet they spent half the thing talking about, as 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.799 David put it, what would the things that would be 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:32.800 nice if they existed. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.480 Yeah, there was a lot of stuff that if if 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.160 it was real, which we saw no indication that it was, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:39.240 it would be super tight. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.080 And that's the thing like jens En Wong is that 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.040 he's he's a real he's a showman. Usually, like a 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.320 year ago, he was like like greening and dancing across 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.320 the stage. He was doing a little Avengers bit with 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.200 a shield with a black while GPU this year. 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:54.720 Just looked kind of sad. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.760 It didn't seem happy, It didn't seem he was You 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.000 don't want to use the phrase low energy because it's 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.120 got its political valance now, but he was. 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.480 He seemed a little glom sleepy. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:10.040 Yeah, a little sleepy, sleepy, sleepy Jensen. Yeah, they don't 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:11.560 want me to say it, but should we say it? 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.240 Should say it, folks. But he was as shiny and 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.800 like sort of boufont as i'd. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.000 Hoped, like I was, he had a very shiny jackhand 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:20.640 as like a. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.480 Non tech journalist, Like I just know him as being 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.320 an extremely rich guy with a really like obvious aesthetic, 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.200 and so the idea of going to see him, like 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.760 that's actually the most last Vegas thing that I could 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.520 have done. It was basically the same reason that people 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.680 would go see like Wayne Newton here where they're like, 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.920 I don't really love his work, but I know that 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.040 like when I see him on that stage, I'm gonna 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.640 be like, damn, well, that's Wayne Newton as hell. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.960 And this was Jensen Wang as hell. Like, for whatever 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:46.680 that's worth. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.400 It's something you just do while you're in Vegas, right exactly. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:51.160 You don't. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:52.760 I don't have to be a big fan of Gwen 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.560 Stefani to go see her residency. Yeah, like this is 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.480 which is I don't know, it's very instant switching. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:00.960 On the Vegas part of your brain for this. But 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:01.480 that was the thing. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.880 There was a line of thousands of people to get in, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:05.160 thousands and. 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.280 Thousands, and we cut a lot of them, and we. 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.680 Cut some lines and I'm very sorry if you were 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.120 lining up to see the Jensen Wog Donkey Show and 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.599 you ended up not being able to sit down for 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:19.960 two boobless hours. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.320 It was almost as long as Avatar three. 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.000 Yeah, yeah, and I understood it as much as I 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:26.719 haven't seen any of. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.240 That land of my boy Cameron, I don't know. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.960 I would let him run in video, and I think 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.240 he'd actually give us something. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.919 You know. It's had to build a submarine, which is 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.640 a worrying fact I discovered during when the Titan submersible exploded. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.360 He's a sick like he's an actual submarine fian. But yeah, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:43.880 this thing was. It was really weird because this. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.240 Is the largest company on the stock market and he 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.760 just felt I don't want to say dull is the 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.640 wrong word, because he certainly wanted to pretend to be excited, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.440 but it was like, half, what if we could do robots? 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.200 We can't, but what if we could? And then it 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.840 was like we're vera Rubin GPUs. What do you like this? 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:00.800 What do you think of this? 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.520 And then you may be thinking listener, Okay, at what 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.600 point did he talk about AI Barely? 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.040 He was just like, yeah, got agents, they're happening. 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.960 And then he did like a two minute long demo 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:15.799 of this guy building an agent personal assistant that did stuff. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.720 He looked at a white board and looking at five 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:19.880 things on it and yelled. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.600 It connected to a hugging face robot that then told 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.040 his dog to get off the couch. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.279 Potato, Potato. The dog is treated very rudely, very nasty, 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:29.080 very unfair. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:29.640 Potato. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:30.080 You know. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.960 When I first saw that clip, I misread it and 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.320 I was like, there's a readout where it says your 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:37.760 dog is on the couch and I know you don't 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.320 like that. And I thought, I said, your dog is 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:40.520 here and I know you don't like it. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:46.960 Yeah, can I eliminate the dog kill? 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.760 Jensen one getting up there. We finally worked out a 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.359 way to kill dogs. Just someone off, come out, no, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.960 En Jensen. We took the dog killing part out to 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:58.080 It's like, no, it's good. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:58.640 They love this. 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.880 We've got tons of dogs like this, like billions of dogs. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.919 We want ten dollars a dog wearing business. That's like 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.440 one quarter of GPU sales. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:10.160 Where we see this chart the price killing dogs. Here's 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.159 one hundred what it caused a kill ten trillion dogs. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.560 The parameters are increasing over the year, the cost of 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.240 each kills dropping by by five orders of magnitude. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.640 I don't know if I think killing dogs is fun. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:25.279 Ten trillion dogs. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.920 Yeah, for the listener he was talking about At one point, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.839 he was talking about how much it costs to generate 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:35.920 tokens or and to train models that were ten trillion parameters. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.839 Yeah, they were saying the parameters were going up, and 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:40.520 they had this great shot where it's like, well, you 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.560 said it was the x axis was just dollars and 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.239 the y axis was latency and the dollar the line 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.119 was down, but the latency was up, and he didn't 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.360 really explain what that meant. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.200 He's just like, look it's tempa. It's a tenth of 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:53.679 the price. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:54.760 It was one percent. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.560 Like you hogs want to see a line go on? 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:56.880 Yeah? 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.120 Do you like the stonks guy? Do you want me 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:00.960 to bring him out? 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.200 The hogs hated it. The hogs was se They clamped 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.440 as they should. He brought up picture of Vera Ruben, 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.440 who I've completely forgoten what she did. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:15.080 She was the person who observed that, you know, Newtonian 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:19.880 mechanics predicts that uh, things in the farther orbit around 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.320 the central object should take longer to go around it 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.320 then closer to it, and the edge of the galaxy 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.280 rotates faster than you would expect, which suggests that there's 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.600 other matter, dark matter, which is making uh, the edge 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.480 of the galaxy actually rotate at a higher velocity. Ryan 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.040 an interesting one which we still haven't figured out what 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.560 the fuck to do it so, but more interesting than 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:42.960 you know, whether anything they would. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:44.720 But that was the one time people clapped and we 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.400 came back off to just like mildly concosst just like 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.720 brains just like hummeled. And we went and looked at 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.240 the CS twenty twenty five one. People were hooting and 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.120 hollering and cheering and shit this because they were like, yeah, 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:58.760 we were going to walk you through black Well and 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.520 they tell a bunch of lies. At least they had 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:01.320 chance with the lies. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:01.680 This year. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.080 It was just kind of like limply walking in skying 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:06.760 like yeah, this is really heavy. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.080 I'm not even kidding. He like just lifted up a Yeah. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.040 He was pretty dialed in last year for what it's 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.400 I mean, that's like the bit of it that I 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.320 you know again to me with the Wayne Newton com 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.040 it's like you don't have to like the songs to 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:17.920 be like, damn, he's really got this padder down. 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.040 Metallica seven times, and they put on a show well 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:21.640 every time. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.560 Now I'm the only person in this room obviously who 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.960 was not did not see the keynote. Do you think 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.360 this came Did it come across to you like like 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.800 they may have had something they planned to show here 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.560 but it fell through or wasn't order to come across, 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.040 Like they really like busted their load last year and 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.480 couldn't live up to the hype this year. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:42.480 I think it's the second one. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.240 They didn't really seem to have anything because I mentioned 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:46.840 it in passing, but it was it was a lot 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.640 of stuff from GtC, which the big developers conference, and 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.200 like they did this whole thing about new black Well 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.240 chips and every chip they sorry vera rubenschip and every 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:56.520 chip was announced months ago. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:57.560 It just felt weird. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.800 It felt like they didn't have any any key staging anymore. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.840 Because last year the hype for that keynote was weeks. Yeah, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.360 people were talking. It was like the highlight of CES. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.920 It was like they had like some big musical artists 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.040 or something showing up. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:12.160 It was that big. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.200 Yeah, it wasn't that this year. Legitimately, you could see 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:16.559 people like people leaving. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.439 Yeah, there were walkouts, people. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.840 Just walking out after a thing took Like like last 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:25.520 year there was a two and a half hour long 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.000 line before it opened. This year there was a long line, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.520 but it filed in. Then they told us it was full, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.160 but then they were like, actually there were seats. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:32.400 Now. 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.120 It's just very weird. It's a thirty eight hundred persons. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.600 The yeah, just feels like we're at the end of something, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:38.880 which is fun. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.200 I enjoy that, which also I don't think the rest 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.400 of CES has got that message based on all the 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.160 AI everything everywhere. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.160 Yeah, Matt, you've been. You went to CS and bailed yesterday, 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.920 as yees would. Did you see anything interesting anything. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.160 That well, I mean everything. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.440 The interesting thing is actually you would think AI is 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.440 the main thing, and I guess there's crossover here, but 0:09:58.640 --> 0:09:59.640 the really big. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:00.640 Thing this year robotics. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.200 Everyone's got robots doing something and obviously there is the 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.040 AI like uh sort of angle there, but it's it's 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.480 not the same in terms of like how they hype 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.240 it up. Like I remember a few years ago every 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.439 company wanted to be a metaverse company or a blockchain company. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.559 And I said this last year on this show that 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.120 that seems to be dead, and it seems like that's 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.480 the case. It's just jo Trump coming back and Crypto 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.360 coming back. In terms of these guys making all their 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.560 money through insider training on Crypto does not seem to 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:37.839 have translated over back to the tech Worldrypto. No, I've 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.640 not seen any Nope, not even blockchain is usually the 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.280 way these tech companies try to. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.040 Like get their hold on that space. 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.760 And I've seen nothing, seen any prediction market. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.439 No, no prediction market stuff. I mean it's still early. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.600 This is the show floor hasn't even opened yet while 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.200 we're talking, But I've seen none of that everything. There 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.640 was a few AI stuff here and there. Wearables are 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.280 big again this year. What kind every wearable you get? 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.520 That's that's where the AI stuff is coming in. Everyone 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.360 wants a wearable that you have around your neck where 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.000 it records what you're saying and then gives you the 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.120 transcription of your conversations. 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.199 If Victoria had a way of recording our voices. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:21.480 But if only they invented some way that I could 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.560 talk and then they would save it. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:24.400 Right, It's a good thing. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.240 Everyone listening to this is in the room with us 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:27.080 right now. 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.280 I just lost I saw Victoria's song post something of 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.360 wearable that is like a taint election. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.480 Yes, she's gonna come on tomorrow. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:38.160 Yeah. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.719 Then I won't say anything more about it because I 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.080 heard it's a taint electrocute things. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.200 It's you know, maybe it's for keegles, maybe it's for 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.319 edging the idea. Look, well, people through with that. Titans 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.079 is not my business. Well it's someone's business. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.079 Now, it's literally someone's business. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.080 Was business the previous time I was on this podcast, 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.239 Victoria was on and she was wearing a wearable Yeah, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:00.640 and it was one of the once I forget what 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.719 it was called. It was advertised on the subway a lot, 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:04.720 the friend. 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:06.600 It was friend friend something. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.040 Different though, oh, whatever it was, it was the rabbit. 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.640 It was designed to be rude to you, like that 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.000 seemed to be what the hack was. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.240 No, it was when you sorry, this was I think 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.439 it was the friend because this is a few months ago. 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.760 It wasn't ces. It was just when you're in the street. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.480 It just in New York. Yeah, it was just very rude. Yeah, 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.040 and it was it got mad at her. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.720 During our interview, we like asked how she felt about it, 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:28.960 and she said she had like a name for it. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.040 She was like, it's bloorbo. We don't always get along. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.400 I mean there's a whole theme restaurant that does that, right, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.760 there is an audience for that and to bevic so 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.640 you can wear around your neck to see scream at you. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:42.640 I love it. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.680 I love it when AI is rude to me. You 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.480 know that gets my juices gone. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.200 It was I guess the idea was that it was 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.360 like it, you know, it wasn't like the other. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:52.439 Ais, like it was a little edge. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.839 You do, like the idea that like, yeah, we made 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.480 an AI friend, and like all of my friends, it's 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.560 very rude, doesn't want to talk to me, doesn't like 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.040 just the guy who does don't have friends, just has 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:03.080 a bunch of people who write him. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:04.160 Yet so lonely. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.240 I just wish I had someone to be mad at 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.559 all the time while I'm at work, like just thinking 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.720 my idle moments. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.120 The comic I love where it's like, you know, four Panels. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:14.680 One Panels is a scientists and he's like, hey, I 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.439 made this robot and it screams the word cock and 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.840 then it just keeps screaming cock. And then someone's like, 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.240 why did you make this? And he's like, oh, I 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:22.600 don't know. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.160 I mean, like the week we're recording this, like every 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.559 ai we're going to talk about, they all seem good 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.240 compared to what Elon Musk. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.199 Groc is doing right now. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.400 But when Groc gets lucidity, you know, when it drops 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.600 the Mecca Hitler, you know, when it's super woke, when 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:44.880 it's not. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.679 Its moments like I'm sure every pedophile. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:59.680 Now we all funny sometimes, right, like we all think 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.480 passes moments where classic drum comes through. 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.760 But at the end of the day he was friends 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:09.160 with Epstein, Like that's crack, Like I mean, krak is 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.560 literally like uh undressing. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.360 Photos fucking discussed children. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.120 So you can go on if you want to see 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.120 a bunch of people who redacted, go to our slash 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:23.440 karok on Reddit and it's just LLLM generated pornography and 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.960 you'll never you'll be surprised to hear it's all woman. 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.840 And what's crazy is I bet each one of those 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.960 costs like five to ten bucks a generation. So Elon 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.160 Musk is just burning billions of dollars for like the 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.000 most wretched perverts in the world. And what's great is 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:37.760 you go on there and there will occasion to be 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.280 a guy who's just like this fucking thing's moderated and 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.080 it's censored. Now it's censored. I can't generate the pornography 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.240 I want. Elon Musk has failed us, and it's just 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.360 like finding people who are more reactionary than Elon Musk 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.720 is tough, but man, do they do it right? 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.520 I mean, I don't even know that. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.960 Like, I'm sure he's put some sort of limits on 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.480 some things, but people right now, we're we're like a 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.720 week or two into this whole scandal with GROC creating 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:09.120 literal child abuse sex like sexual yeah, child sexual abuse material, 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:10.880 and they're still able to make it. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:12.920 And Elon Musk is on on. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.480 X right now, laughing about pictures people are sending of 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.840 non consensual undressing, raffling to make the band funny. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.520 The last thing I saw els was someone made this 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.960 long I say about how the reason why Africa can't 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.640 manage itself is not because of colonialism, it's because of 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.040 IQ or something, and then him called tweeting it and 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.720 on truth nuke hard truth. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.160 Well, I ever, I actually saved a South African screenshot 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.320 Yeah Jesus, screenshot from Asda's grok here we go again, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.840 space exclamation mark. Those x AI Groc motherfuckers back to 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.800 fucking zombies and slow motion and constant over moderation. Thanks 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.640 fuck my subscription is nearly up. These word I won't 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.760 say are fucking losers. Fuck you, elnd Muskue, fucking rock Spider. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.880 They've updated again and made it even worse than before. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.640 And then someone responding with what my morning goon session 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:05.240 went is usual. I just and any other forum would 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.600 be like, that's someone doing irony. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.400 But no, the word what was the word that? 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.960 It's a swear word that I'm not going to say. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.560 It's not a slur, thankfully. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.320 I know. I was curious. It is a square slur towards. 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.040 The beginning of the alphabet. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.680 Let was but like the fact that Groc does this, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.480 like obviously every company who has an AI product now 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.280 their AI can do the same. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.480 Yeah, but it seems. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.720 Like they have at least used the resources they have 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.120 of like a trust in safety department, to think these 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.320 things through and limit it or stop it from doing 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.440 that before it actually is able to. They seem to 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.920 not only be aware that it could do that and 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:46.800 not want to stop it. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.360 They're loving that it's doing this. Yeah, it makes me 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.080 feel at the risk of making an extremely prosaic observation 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:55.600 about something that I think I don't want to put 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.680 words in anybody's mouth that I think we all believe 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.880 is bad. Yes, the fact that this has been going 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:02.240 on for two weeks makes me feel like I'm losing 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.919 my fucking nyes. Like I can't believe that there is 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.720 a thing generating child sex abuse material on the social 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.359 network that we all were on. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.119 The people for like fifteen years. People are paying fullty 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:15.440 dollars a month to access. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.600 Like if an individual human being went online right now 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:25.000 and uploaded season a single photo on a social media site, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.080 they would have a knock on their door. 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.240 Yes, with going to jail. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.480 Whereas Elon Musk's creation is literally creating this end mass 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.760 over and over again, an image per second permitted. I 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.119 don't know, but it's a lot, and it just keeps 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.399 doing it and no one's whose job is it to 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:43.119 step in? 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.679 And that's the bit that makes me feel most insane, 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.000 is that this is one of those things where it's 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.560 like there's not a great number of points of consensus 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.359 in American culture at the point, right, but this is 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.320 one that I think everybody's more or less on the 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.879 same page on so I thought. And it's also one 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.560 of the things that like see what you will about 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.240 the Federal Bureau of Investigation, They've been pretty consistent in 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.800 their approach to this issue through the years. The fact 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.000 that this is somehow now just like raffel fodder, like 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.000 all the rest of the shit, it's like crazy. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.720 Well, the only good news in it, and that really 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.040 is none, is how much this is properly costing. Like 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.920 it's probably like I reckon the spending a couple of 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.280 million a day on this just the perverb ceasam machine. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.760 I mean, but but I mean he's he's getting government 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.240 is the government the US government is paying. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.480 To use grap Yeah right, I mean there's like the money. 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.240 They're spending like on creating this stuff, Like the money 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:37.800 is coming in to make up for it, at least 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:38.560 for Elon Musk. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.080 But is it, Like I'm pretty sure he's just losing money. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.000 It's insane that also he is building massive data centers 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.480 to do more of this. This is the this is 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.600 the thing. This is the year we're walking into. This 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.480 is twenty twenty six. We've got what can lms do 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.520 that they couldn't do a year ago. Well, guess what, 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.399 it's child pornography that that is the new thing that 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.520 they can do. We watch fucking Jensen Wong be off 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.960 of two hours. Not really, if only think. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.600 Think of the years it took Jeffrey Epstein to create this. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.400 Yeah, and now Kroc do. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.439 It all just with the power of AI. 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:11.320 The future. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.359 Okay, the metaverse, you can go make your own island 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.880 with you know, you can make your own network. 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.399 That's the thing though, it's that's the use case for 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:22.000 the metaverse. 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.120 Yeah, is it? Like you little Saint. 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.240 James and the Temple. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.399 Don't forget the dam But oh my god, this is 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.440 how we're beginning to see as twenty twenty six. Robert 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.679 Evans isn't even here, and I'm like, okay, we've got 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.040 to change the subject. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.320 Right created a version of the game missed would be 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.600 sent to jail for the rest of my life. 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.680 Or or a job this is senior pro manager. 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.040 Yeah, if you're willing to. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.240 Jesus fucking Christ, I thought this show would be normal. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:53.520 It wasn't. Did you catch it? 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.120 There was a Grock cameo in the just and long 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.960 presentation like multimodal. Yeah he was, So he's using this 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.840 as an example to show what the technology could do. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.600 And it was just like, sorry, the stomach sound hell yeah? 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.640 What was it? Was it? The stuff that came out 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:09.040 this week? 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.800 I love but it was funny to see, like, given 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.200 that that is like I think that everybody's first thought 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:16.240 on what is. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.160 This bragging about working with Palenteer. 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:24.600 I mean, all the bad guys are getting Palentiner. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:26.000 I don't know if they heard this year, but they've 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.639 been at pastes showing off their armed vehicles and everything. 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:30.800 They they're there. 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.119 They don't make calmed vehicles. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.600 They were that evil sales space that I don't go 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.320 to this Palentiner booth. But the years I've seen them, 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.680 they face masks. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.680 I'm gonna go over the and just be like, may 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:47.119 you go any guns? Like a borro, and they just 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:52.359 stop asking them for can you phone? I'm just downloading Gronk, 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.880 just downloading Gronk for real. Oh it's already here. 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.240 What do you lost it? Oh my god? But like 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.440 moving aggressively on from the subject. 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:05.760 Seeking of children, I saw lego. 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:09.719 That was the segway I was trying to go for. 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:14.520 But then we got into the little gens in the omnivors. 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.440 Like consimulate Jesus, little Lego. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.720 So this is he wouldn't got caught if you had Domniverse. 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.920 I think that's probably what their salespan. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:22.040 Would have been. 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.800 Surprised that said that. The people cheered. 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.160 When they said that that was weird. That was weird. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.640 Didn't want to get cart and the little robots came 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.080 on and yeah, that was before we move on to Lego. 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.320 That was the strangest part of this thing. So, Matt, 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:39.720 you haven't seen this. There was a bit and he 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.080 apparently did this last year where he had had a 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.359 little robot walk out. This year he had two. It 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:45.840 was the same kind you used, had two of them, 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:47.959 and it was bizarre. For ten minutes, he was just 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.200 like kneeling down and going like and this is how 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.520 we're going to build you. This is how we're going 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.399 to build robots in the omnivose. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:55.479 It was so weird. 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.159 And like, you are the CEO of the largest company 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.320 on the stock mark. Your company has like got a 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:06.320 four trillion dollar market cap. Everyone's buying these seventy thousand 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:10.000 dollars GPUs from you, and you're sitting being like, hi, little. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.200 Robot, how are you doing? 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.879 I'm wearing a twenty five thousand dollars there the jackets 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:15.840 hi much? 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.320 You think he paid Disney for to use those two 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.320 robots from Star Wars file in order? 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.040 They were? They from Star Wars yea, the Star Wars 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:23.360 their their Jedi filling order. 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.280 Jesus Christ, that was the cheapest, like he went and 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:31.280 got like wow from Lucas, So what's what's the cheapest 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:32.080 robot you'll get. 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.280 What makes that crazy is apparently Disney gave these random robots, 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.159 whereas I got C three PO and R two D two. 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.080 And Chewbacca showing up at the Lego events. 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.160 Yeah, so we got there. 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.960 We got there, so we got the mandolay bayed thinking 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.920 CESM veil was today. It was not flawless organization as 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.080 usual for me and I walk in and it's I's 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:52.160 just the Chewbacca room. 0:22:53.480 --> 0:23:02.080 I picked through the doors, see Chewbacca. I see some rebels. 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.120 Up there and we're like, well, you know, sorry about 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:16.680 that opened the door at a bar. Yeah, so they 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.199 just long brings out the blow job bear from the 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:23.359 Shining Why would he do that? There's no reason for 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.719 that bear to be on stage multi. 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:32.400 Okay, that partnership with Rock is pulling. Okay, please, let's 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.760 talk about the small Lego Lego. 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.800 I will say, So Lego, who's making their CS debut, 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:42.159 They've never done this before, really, Yeah, So Lego actually 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:46.000 had something pretty interesting where it's this. It's their new product, 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:50.320 a smart brick in their smart play platform. And they 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:54.640 basically took a silicon chip that's small is what they said, 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.439 smaller than one stud on a Lego that's cool, and 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.679 they put it inside a brick and you connect this 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:04.360 brick onto your Lego creations, your Lego characters, and this 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:08.040 chip basically, this this smart brick basically has sensors and 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:12.720 accelerometers and it could track color and sound and distance 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:16.240 and direction, and it basically brings your Lego creations and 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.439 characters to life. So one example they gave in the 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.199 demo was they put uh, this smart brick on a 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:27.320 little airplane Lego creation, and then they put a airplane 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.359 pilot character on top of that plane. And when they 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.240 were flying it around, the plane was making like whosh 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:36.399 and all like engine noises. And then the guy turns 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.920 the plane upside down and the airplane pilot starts to. 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.200 Scream, and this is the audio is coming out of. 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:47.320 This smart I mean it's interesting. 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:49.199 I mean from like I we're going to allow you 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:50.399 to you like I figure. 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:50.800 Yeah. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.160 In fact, they were really playing that up too. 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.280 They were saying, you know, if you run your Lego 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.600 over with your Lego character over with a car like 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:06.800 be sound. The guy was getting great joy out of 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:08.000 mutilating these leg. 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.520 Characters and the Legos Soul collection. 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:16.399 If you told me as a child, wow, wouldn't you 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.600 love a computer inside of this? If you told me 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:20.679 my bionicle would be better if it had a computer, 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:22.320 and I would have set it on fire. 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:26.879 I like the antithetical, but like you know, I was 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:28.720 thinking about this, and like I guess, for like other 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.760 toys where you just buy a toy and it's already 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:33.840 built for you and then you add this other stuff, 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.639 I guess you can argue it's taking away from kids imagination. 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:38.959 But with Lego they still have to build this stuff. 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:41.399 I mean, so like the smart brick is just adding 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.600 an extra like I guess, like feature to it that 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:46.040 helps their imagination. 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.200 Lego is not going to take away. 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:50.920 When I was a kid. 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.119 It also has a kind of feels like it's for 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.200 adults more than yes, for kids. 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.960 This is for the man babies, the buying childre that's 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:01.600 that's the thing. 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:05.520 They announced the first Lego smart play play sets that 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.320 come with these smart bricks, and that's where Chewy and 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.480 C three P O and R two D two come in. 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.400 The first play sets with this technology will be three 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:16.000 Star Wars play sets, the Tie Fighter, the X Wing, 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.439 and the Emperor's Throne Room where you can have a 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:20.479 lightsaber battle. 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:23.640 George Lucas was not joking when he said that selling 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:27.920 Star Wars to Disney was like selling his children to slavers, 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.240 because they are gonna be working these guys. 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:35.120 Yeah, that Slave the Slave Layer playset will be coming 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:35.600 out soon. 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.720 Oh God, what sounds does that one? Just like I've 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:42.800 always wanted to make my Lego figures screaming. 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.080 There'll be a job to sound very lightly in the 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:47.680 background of whatever Lea says. 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.320 I Like, they're just like. 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.760 I think the theme of CS from everything I've read 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.760 so far is we've run out of ideas, Like it 0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.600 kind of felt like that last year, but this year 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.520 it's like Jensen Huong doing his his just retread of everything, 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:04.200 and like I. 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.040 Was like, what the fuck to what do we put? 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:07.840 Why we release more legos? 0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.359 I guess they could make What if the lego figures 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:11.080 could feel pain? 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:14.760 What if you could re enact your witness to a 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:23.680 great becoming scene from Manhunter with your legos. 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:24.960 In this place in the guard of the Vita in 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:28.360 the background after his changing. 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:30.520 Do you see it's nice? 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:35.440 Oh my god, I didn't think we I thought we'd 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:36.840 wait until Tuesday for the Man Hunter. 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:37.919 You could do like. 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.040 Day, I gotta get it in. 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.320 I'm happy. I'm very happy to hear this. 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:45.960 Most of the content, not so much like I didn't 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.719 think we'd get to see some this quickly. 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.240 But the thing that's interesting, though, to Matt's point, I 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.920 want to skip you if you're trying to say, is 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:54.679 that it feels like I agree that it feels like 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:56.959 to a certain extent, there's a deficit of new ideas. 0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.240 But and again, as like an o who doesn't generally 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:03.119 cover this, like just as what it is, that's an 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:03.919 impressive thing. 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.399 To me, right, and also in a world where we 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.720 just talked about everything we just talked about, like the 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.359 lego stuff actually feels like a breath of fresh air 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.919 where it's a company that actually is focused on I mean, 0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.200 obviously they want to make money, but it's also focused 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:22.000 on let's build this stuff for kids and also adults 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:26.240 that have this nostalgia love for Lego and it's harmless 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:26.960 and fun. 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.919 I mean the home which is to the people. But 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.199 the Legos like the. 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:35.240 Legos likeily Legos don't feel yet. 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:39.000 Yeah that's what That's what I like, And that would 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:40.400 have been if I was in there putting my hand up. 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:42.800 Can they feel the no again? 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.080 Okay, so you got got a Lego set which has 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:46.760 a massive computer of the center. It's going to do 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:48.320 inference on device. 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.960 On device pains for your Legos. 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:51.720 Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:56.400 The suffering you can make your Legos experience is distinct. 0:28:56.800 --> 0:29:02.200 Now any historical event where people felt pain like it's 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:06.040 I don't know, I I want to be excited about it, 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:07.080 but it's just I look at it. 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.240 I'm just like, you don't have you you could build 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.440 literally anything. That's the point of Lego and the like, well, fuck, 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.240 we can't build. We have no more ideas of that. 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.360 We just have noises. Again, maybe I'm being too cynical. 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.680 Okay, they're coming up with new ideas for like you 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.200 can build a big boat, you know, like there's stuff 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.000 like that is in there trying to I'm sorry, so Gurgley, 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.920 there's something about like that seems additive. I guess it's 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:31.800 like a little silly to me. But that's I mean, 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:32.360 it's the same way. 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.120 What is it interesting is it's it's the same lego 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:37.600 brick for everything. Like it's not like, oh, this is 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.880 the specific smart brick for that Star Wars. 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:40.680 That's not bad. 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.320 You can you can take the same brick and connect 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:45.520 it to an airplane and it knows it's an airplane. 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.480 Now do we take that same brick and connected to 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.160 Star Wars set. It knows which Star Wars character is 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.080 connected to or which Star Wars vehicle it's on. It's 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.760 this one brick that you could use for everything. If 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.840 you have multiple bricks, they interact. One interesting thing I 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.920 thought was like if your kids are like racing their 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:05.080 their smart brick attached cars, and like there's a smart 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:10.160 brick like finish line creation, it'll it'll track which one 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:12.680 actually gets to the finish line first and let you 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.000 know by the color of the vehicle, Like it'll flash 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.320 that color of the winning vehicle, so. 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.280 The kids can't argue and fight over who actually won. 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:21.640 The smart brick tells the part that's a key part 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.040 of any race is fighting over. 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.920 Yeah, all right, we're. 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.240 Gonna wrap this block for now. 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.240 We of course have Matt Bender from Mashable, Adam Grayser 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.040 Junior from the Tech Bubble Newsletter, and David Roth from DEFECTA. 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.640 We'll be right back off these ads, which I endorse 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.360 all of I am sure that there will be one 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:40.040 poeteer one. 0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:44.640 Yeah, the volunteer one about the death machine. That's that's that's. 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:46.400 Programming. 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:47.760 Yeah, they got they got it mixed up. 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.800 They did the other ad, which is me instead. 0:30:49.480 --> 0:31:01.760 Of this machine kills Diane. 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:05.120 I'm entering the city of Las Vegas, Nevada for the 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.720 Consumer Electronics Show. This is ed Zitron, of course, is 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:11.200 better offline. We're back here at CS and I'm joined 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.520 by the wonderful Scott Stein from CNET. 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:14.240 Scott, How you doing? 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:17.640 Hey great? Hey great? And I'm burnt out is how 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:18.000 I'm doing. 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.400 That's fine, man, I just watched two hours of Jensen 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:24.080 Huang going off, so you're in good company. Matt Binder, 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:27.040 of course, from Mashable, great to be here and mister 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.960 David rolthrom DEFECTA Hello, So are you going to start 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:32.600 with you, Scott, because I want to talk about these 0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:33.680 x real glasses. 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:34.880 Complete subject change. 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:36.520 Well you can get back to Lego in a little bit, 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:39.160 but so that you've been looking at a few different 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.440 smart glasses, any of these been actually interesting or useful 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:43.719 in bits. 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.720 It's like the curts a thing like every there are 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.480 little bits that are interesting and they're all striving to 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:51.920 like do more, and you're trying to see where they're 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:56.080 going to interconnect. Like x rel I covered them way 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:57.560 back when they were en real and they were trying 0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:01.000 to be like magically and they they do though right 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.280 now they're display glasses, so really it's like a a 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:05.720 big virtual display just. 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:07.640 Fla screen and you connect it to your phone. 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:09.920 You connected to your phone, your laptop like anything that 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:13.120 has standard USB video out, you know, like they display 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.920 more video out switch breaks that, but they sell the 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.320 doc now that can get around that. So you connect 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.400 that you can play. So it's practical. The impractical part 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.840 is that you've to spend several hundred dollars and the 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.960 question is is that worth it? But what impressed me 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.520 about what x reel was doing in recent years and 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.160 companies like Features that I hadn't been following them for 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.560 a few years, and the displays were getting really good, 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:38.400 like like TV quality good, and I thought, oh, that's 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.560 really interesting. And now they're striving, they're partnering with Google, 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.360 they're trying to do more things. So it's like, it's 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.240 interesting how they're they super focused on one area versus 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:46.960 trying to do everything. 0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.560 What are they trying with Google? Well, they oppen to So. 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.720 That's basically like project Or, which I tried in December, 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:57.280 is like can we make a VR mixed reality headset thing? 0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.880 But shrinking on the classes for basically the kind of 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:01.520 same experience. 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:02.040 So is it not? 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:02.600 So? 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:04.640 Is it screening still? Like I'm a little kids. 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.000 It screens, it's three D and but the field of 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.880 view is limited because it's like glasses, so it's like 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.800 fifty but it feels kind of like a big TV 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.360 view and it's projected, and it was running all of 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.080 the Android XR apps that run on the Samsung Galaxy XR. 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.600 That's like, yeah, and this one there's no price, but 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.000 it's probably going to be a lot cheaper and it 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.880 has a little process or puck that you need to use, 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.280 but other than that, they're regular extra glasses, so it's 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.760 like relatively more practical. What I thought was interesting is 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.840 you got like effectively the same a lot of the 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.080 same experience and selling a lot smaller that you might 0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:44.800 like stick in your. 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.320 Bag, right, I mean where was the market for these though? 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:50.160 Like would you use them in your day to day? 0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:52.680 So I would use the display part. But the thing 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:54.800 I wanted, the thing I want to get to that 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.800 I kind of always fantasized about, was like could I 0:33:57.840 --> 0:33:59.520 get work done without a laptop? Could I like sit 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.360 there and just type of way in the little corner 0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.360 of cees with like my little keyboard or invisible keyboard 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.800 in the glasses? That still hasn't happened. Like technically that 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.600 the project Aura looks like you could do that because 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.399 it runs a whole bunch of apps. But the question 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.800 is how annoying that would be in what cost? And 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:18.919 then are you just going to default to like even 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:21.319 the glasses. I think they're super interesting and I'll use 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:23.400 them on flights, but then there's a point where I'm like, 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.480 why don't I just use the iPad? Or like could 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.359 I just look at my phone, like there's a part 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.399 at which you go, do I really want to carry 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:31.880 this around? 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:32.400 Right? 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.840 And I think it's you know, if the price dropped 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:36.799 or it became something that did more than that. Right now, 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.360 it's like display glasses and there are these other like 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.080 meta ray ban and ray band alike things, right, two 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.440 different products completely unrelated, and then you're like, how many 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:48.319 of those are you gonna buy? 0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:51.840 That's what I've covered xual before too, and I always 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.640 thought it was interesting that they focused on the display thing. 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.520 Other like, because you come to cees and smart glasses, 0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:00.719 you can find like twenty different smart glass companies and 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.759 they all want to do something with AI and augmented 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:09.480 reality and the audio recording, transcription, video recording. But x 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.800 Real I appreciated that they focused on what if we 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.759 just give you a TV in your glasses, so like 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:18.200 when you're on long trips or something, you can just 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:19.800 be immersed And that's it. 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:20.640 Right. 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:22.960 The fact that you're saying they now want to, you know, 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:28.600 do some more things with Google now, I'm like, I 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:32.120 feel like x Real is losing that focus that made them, 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:34.520 that made them stick out for me as a company 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.800 that oh I appreciate that they got their eye on 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:39.480 the prize and that's that's all they want to do. 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:39.960 Well. 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.000 What's interesting is like there are parts that are practical 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.360 that are interconnected, because it's like there are companies like 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.239 TCL and there's like there's a bunch of companies that 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.279 have been making these like TVs for your face, like 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.239 these display glasses. But the thing that started like x 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.879 real backed off all that stuff and they started doing 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.839 these like very focused glasses. But they started introducing stuff 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.080 in the later ones it's more practical, like you can 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.880 pin the display, which is actually useful because if you 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.040 if you're trying to work with these as like a monitor, 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:07.919 it used to be that you turn and it would 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.280 keep following your face, which is awful because you can't 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.320 ever look in the corner of the screen. It's like 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:16.840 you just keep turning and it keeps moving. But they 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.480 started pinning it in space so you could actually treat 0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:21.200 it like a monitor, which is practical. And then they 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:24.400 start having transparency, so it's like you you look at 0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.239 the display, everything is blacked out around you, but if 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.279 you turn your head, everything goes transparent again. So it's 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:34.719 like practical but kind of a little are a little 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.120 like and I feel like what they're starting to do 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:37.600 is like blend some of that and then be like 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.520 they had this partnership with a company called space Top too, 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:42.400 they were trying to like float a lot of Windows apps. 0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:43.319 What happened to them? 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:52.239 I they got absorbed into becoming what happened. 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:59.880 And the R A R relight, I know, I don't know. 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.680 I met with them last when they were debuting stuff 0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:04.880 in the spring, which was like they backed off hardware, 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.520 they started pivoting to doing more software because they wanted 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.400 to run it directly off laptops versus having to buy 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.719 a whole of separate product. But then I also feel like, 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:16.399 in a lot of ways, that's what you're saying, who's 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.120 the or project or for I feel like that if 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.920 it runs eventually off a phone, it's got the Samsung 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.759 project Deck stuff they've been doing for years, where it's 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.600 like if you could make a thing and just carry 0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:29.000 your phone with you and carry glasses, that's more practical 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:30.520 than carrying like a whole separate project I. 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.760 Think that they're all trying to get away from admitting 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.080 that they can't do this. Yeah, yeah, they can't do 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.480 it yet Yeah, I feel fully like they've just they're like, 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:38.840 well we've added Gemini. 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:41.960 Do you like this? What is this good? Do you 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:42.640 like Gemini? 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.640 The AI stuff is the weirdest. I mean, obviously there's 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.239 that's a whole we're on the show or you talk 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:52.359 about them forever, but it's like I see it, like, yeah, 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.000 that need to dump stuff like that? What interested me 0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.440 about the we're covering. I don't cover AI a lot 0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:59.200 because a lot of it I don't find that interesting. 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:04.120 But I do find the idea of new interfaces. Could 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.200 they find something new to do with it? Interesting? But 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.239 they keep doing a little party tricks versus something that's 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:09.400 like really really practical. 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.759 I mean, I'm a vision Pro truth, and people do 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:14.640 not like me for this. 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.399 I've gotten it very unfair to me about this because 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.279 I like the idea of like a like a like 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.680 a different interface, like you said, like something you pop 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:24.880 in the corner. And I really wanted this in the 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.440 Vision Pro and I tried way too hot. I really 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:29.160 tried to make that shit fit into my life. And 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.200 it is an embarrassing device even when you're alone. Yeah, 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.759 you just like you see yourself in it in any 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:36.359 way like, oh, you've used it a law. 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:37.880 I've used it a lot. But when I use it 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.239 for it or two particular things, if I'm alone and 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:43.000 I have it nearby, I will do work with it 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.479 basically as a Mac monitor. And then I'll go because 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:47.640 I don't have a monitor that's that big, and I go, oh, 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.080 that's useful if I get into a flow with it, 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:51.759 And then I'll watch movies because I don't have a 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:53.799 TV that looks as good like that in a moment. 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.520 I have an older TV, and so I like that 0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:00.239 as a personal cinema. But at that price. No, And 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:04.160 I'll never carry it with me anywhere because. 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.600 I whipped that baby out on the plane. I tried to. 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.560 Keep people give you as a give I will, I 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:12.000 will not. No, I had it. 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:15.200 I watched June or like half of June on June 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.640 on a plane, and I got the worst migraine I've 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:20.919 had in my life, and it kept freaking out. 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:22.799 It was like shaking because it's oh. 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:23.839 Like with the travel movie. 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.040 It was really mad at me. And there's also like 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:27.520 I can navigate it to focus right. 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:28.600 But I love the idea. 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:30.960 I love the idea of like a pop up screen look. 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.319 I really I like that a law. 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:34.080 Well that's the way they were. A thing was interesting 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:35.879 because I felt like it was like, Okay, let's take 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:40.600 the practical, not I mean practical, relatively more practical and 0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.160 much lower cost of like a pair of glasses you 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.320 take with you, but there are another pair of glasses, 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.040 but it's like headphones for your eyes. But then like, 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.520 could you do most of the vision pro stuff. The 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:50.839 thing that I felt was like when I was at 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.399 WWDC I as a test, I just kind of took 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:57.040 the extra one pros with me and filed my stories 0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:01.000 while wearing them, which wasn't really painful at all, and 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:02.960 it was nice because I could float the screen. It 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:04.040 wasn't really painful at all. 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:04.960 No, I'm no, I'm sorry. 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.680 I wasn't laughing you just like that's the endorsement, right, 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.719 that's the nicest thing that anyone said about a pair 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:11.400 of these glasses. 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.800 But they actually held, but they held in there like 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:15.759 I was in the in the heat. I floated the 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:18.200 screen up and I was able to watch the keynote 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:19.840 and work and it was like I didn't have to 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:21.319 hunt over the laptop as much. I was like, oh, 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.239 it's interesting, and like that's something you I would not 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.879 ever be doing with a vision pro at all. 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.720 So I thought, like you, David, you have you wear glasses? 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:30.600 Would you do it? 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:33.040 Why would you? I know that this is kind of 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:35.720 a loaded question. Why would you not use these glasses? 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:37.440 Like it's fine to give just like the truth. 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.120 I mean, I guess the idea of it is, it's 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.839 it's mostly a me issue. Like it's just a question 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:44.399 of sort of being like if I'm gonna watch TV, 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.319 I'll watch it through my glasses and not you know, pond. 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.319 But I'm this is not one of those things. 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.200 There's a couple of you know, like red lines in 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.360 terms of like technology that I'm just simply not gonna 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.520 be comfortable using. I'm not a young man, and there's 0:40:58.520 --> 0:40:59.799 a bunch of things that like I don't need. 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:00.000 To Like. 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:04.680 There was stuff like last year that there was like 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.600 some you know, like it's a thing that jerks off 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.960 for you. You know that it is like it's mounted 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:11.480 on an arm and it's like, oh, I thought you're 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:15.279 about glasses, Like where's that from? 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:15.400 No? 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:19.440 But right, yeah, I'm sorry that you at the end 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:23.080 of the demo. But like all that the idea of 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.160 like the glassest thing. I feel like it could be cool. 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.440 I just I would wait until a trusted source was like, 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.600 all right, it's actually cool, is the right? And I 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:35.200 don't think I would want to I would want to 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:37.040 use it for like recreation stuff, like what you were 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:38.600 talking about, the idea of just kind of like being 0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:40.200 able to watch a movie or like have it be 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.480 like a non embarrassing way to enjoy like a high 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:48.640 quality television experience like that part's neat. I don't think 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:49.440 i'd want to work on it. 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.560 I don't know that. Like the invisible keyboard holds a 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:53.719 great deal of appeal to me, but I see need 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.120 to use like a real keyboard like the invisible keyboard. 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.239 Now yeah, yeah, so like you, most of these are 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.799 still use a real keyboard and nobody's cracked like virtual typing. Yeah, 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:03.520 they keep they keep saying that they. 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:07.480 Might entirely basically seeing commercials on TV and oh ye damn, 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.280 look suckerbirds typing on nothing that's. 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:11.920 Even matter, Like with the neural band that there's no 0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.200 there's no idea of even getting close to typing yet. 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:15.879 But they do have this like handwriting on your leg 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.120 thing that's going to come out but like I don't. 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:19.759 I don't do handwriting, and I. 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.759 My ordinational disability call dyspraxia, and the idea of those 0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:28.400 services working is really funny to me. Like for years 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:30.040 I was I was told repeatedly like you have a 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.120 doctor's handwriting, and I thought it was a compliment. 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.719 It wasn't, it was not. It turns out I have 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:35.759 a physical disability. 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.759 But yeah, it's even the metaclasses like when actually the 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:41.879 episode with Victoria, I tried them on and it's like, wow, 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.080 these are cool, And I was like, now what because 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.560 if I walked around with these, not only would I 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.480 look like a bell Land, which isn't a huge change, 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.960 but it's just like you're just staring in the corner 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:56.480 for the directions. It's like it's like no, it's like 0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.080 the people making them haven't walked around as a normal 0:42:59.160 --> 0:42:59.759 person before. 0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:01.360 And I think that's like the short answer to the 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:02.759 question of like what would it take for me to 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.239 use it? Yeah, like could I do it if I 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.920 didn't have to like practice, Like you know, the exactly 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.360 thing I can savorglasses is that I put them on 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:13.319 every morning in the same I have the same user experience. Yeah, 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.480 every single time, you know, and all I have to 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.399 do is look through the lenses and I can see 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.120 things lightly better. I'm curious about because this is something 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.480 that like, I don't, you know, cover this area and 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:26.279 like followed it as closely. How much better is this 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.000 and how long did it take for things to get 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:29.000 as good as they are now? 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.960 That's a good question, And I feel like someone from 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:35.840 the companies was like, why are you more interested in 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:37.719 this now? And I was like, I don't know, because 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.759 I feel like they started getting a little better. But 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.600 it's it's all relatives, like I think like smart watches following, 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.480 Like I remember covering smart watches in the world before 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.080 the Apple Watch and the Google watches emerged, and it 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:52.560 was like everyone's striving for random stuff and crap and 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.960 some interesting things. But I find those territories before someone 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.839 goes mainstream interesting because it's like striving for the moment 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:01.719 that you're like the water's fine. So I feel like 0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.480 that's why I love covering those zones is it's like 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.239 you see ideas being thrown against the wall, throw against 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:08.640 the wall, and then you're like you get there, but 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.600 now I feel like you could something crossed over where 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:16.200 it's like the meta ray bands became legitimately okay to 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.800 wear if you're going on like vacation. 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:23.320 I found them no stylistic. It's like the Royal Orbison machine, 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:26.480 Like they already wear glass. You couldn't pull them off. 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:27.000 That's a thing. 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.040 Yeah, So I'm like, they literally are like the glasses 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:29.560 I'm wearing now. 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:31.759 Yeah, I think that's That's like the real breakthrough is that, 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:33.480 like if you are the type of person that wears 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:37.960 that type of frame, like the water, the problem is solved. 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:40.319 If you don't like that, there are some companies doing 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.520 do you want to do the zoomer wire rim things 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:44.799 where the lenses are the exact same size as your eyes. 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:46.280 I'm sorry, you can't check your emails. 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.120 They can't. The closest thing to that is like I've 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.680 been testing out Even Realities, which is another company that 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:52.880 makes the G two glasses, and they're like more of 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.200 a metal thin frame. But the only thing is that 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.319 not only they weren't functioning that well on the floor 0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.560 here because everything interferes and stuff, but also they don't 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.560 have they don't have audio, they don't do camera stuff, 0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:05.600 which also people might really like they have a display 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:07.839 but only for a couple of functions, and you're kind 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:09.000 of and it goes to that, like why am I 0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.800 doing this? But you might not notice their glasses. So 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.960 everyone's like getting to these Like like, would I tell 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:18.040 a friend the water's fine there, No, I'd be like. 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.560 And even smart watches now, I still feel like if 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:23.480 I was, I'm not reviewing them so much now, but 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.319 I would say, like, you don't need a smart watch, 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.040 you know, it's like they never got to the point 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.360 where you needed them. But I would go, okay, but 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.640 if you want to get one, they're they're okay, You'll 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.120 be okay with them. And I feel like the problem 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:36.320 with the ray bands and all these things that you 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:39.480 have to recharge them. So the ray Ban Gen two's 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.399 get up to eight hours of battery, but it's really 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.680 like four to eight. So at least they don't they 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:46.839 don't crap out at noon, but they will go down 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:49.440 at like three pm. And then you're like, I have 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:50.800 to put them in the case to charge, so I 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.080 have to bring out another pair of glasses, and you're like, 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:54.600 this is a broken. 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.000 If the jewel wheel two glasses, you have to dual wheel. 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.840 So I'm always swapping glasses, but I say, is it 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.000 to me? They're like vacation glasses more where it's like 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.080 I've been to theme parks, I record on the rides 0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.560 for fun because it's like, no more your face. And 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:08.680 also if you're at a super busy event like this, 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.320 or you're like at an airport, like and this is 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.680 such a niche thing, but it's like someone's calling and 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:15.080 you don't want to reach for your phone or your 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.359 or your air pods. But that's like a first super 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.560 that's like an ultra first world too many gadgets problem, 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.200 but it is kind of nice to just be like, oh, 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.800 I can answer them and not have to do something. 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:28.640 But could I justify that people who have like vision 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:30.520 impairment or other things that if I've heard about that 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.000 been using that for that? That is interesting. But the 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.920 companies I feel are not making enough. I can't speak 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.120 to the assistive landscape, but I don't think there's enough 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:42.880 effort being made to really have deeper, helpful use of that. 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:45.000 I feel like everyone's still taking like bits and stabs 0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:45.200 at that. 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:47.000 Yeah, and I imagine that's part of like you have 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:48.640 to appeal to the people that have the money and 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:50.360 that are like trying to get you to do this 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.239 stuff and so like that. I remember that being like 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:54.480 a big through line. Last year is the first time 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.600 I've been to CES, and I remember there were all 0:46:56.640 --> 0:47:00.120 these technologies that seemed legitimately like miraculous to me for 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.160 people that have very little motion. It's like a non 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:05.160 invasive chip that makes it possible for you to like 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:09.200 communicate and move about, and it was really cool. But 0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:12.000 I remember, like Ed and I were at ed Angueiso, 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.719 We're at that that stand, and it was until we 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.560 talked to one of the engineering people. They were trying 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:19.960 to sell it as some sort of like like a 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:24.160 hack for like people working at fast food places. They're like, 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:25.759 what if you've been touching chicken and then you got 0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:27.759 to handle money. This way, you don't have to do it. 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.320 You can just make a series of micro gestures and 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.239 that will open the cash register. And it was like, well, 0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:33.720 that's way dumber. 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.360 And also I'm making fifteen dollars an hour, but I 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.400 will go on to eight hours of surgery with a neurosurgeon, 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:42.320 costing me eighty five thousand dollars. 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:44.680 It was not invasive, but it was the same sort 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:46.279 of thing where it was just like, just say it's 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:47.840 for fucking helping people, dude. 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:49.120 Like it's not is that so bad? 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:50.400 But the thing is it's everyone. 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:52.840 It's like one leg in one place, one leg in, 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.879 and they other a natural phrase that where it's yeah, 0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:58.399 it could be an assisted device, but also regular people 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.120 could use it. We're not really going to try for 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.640 either because you really kind of have to choose because 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.879 that was the smart cane last year, which at first 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.680 I wanted and I may have made fun of, but 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:08.759 it's actually like we can help people who find like 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.520 great stuff that was a direct focused product for a problem. 0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.800 The glasses are like do you want to record yourself 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:17.960 making dinner? And you want this? 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.080 And there's assisted feature just too if you've got. 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:20.880 Something wrong with you. 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:24.279 But it's just this weird thing where it's they want 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.080 to sell, they want to find the next growth pig, 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.359 and it's like, Okay, it's gonna be glasses, I fucking guess. 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:29.719 I mean. 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.160 The main thing about wear Bulls is like you have 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:37.040 to actually be someone who wears the non technological version 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:39.400 of it first for it to speak to you, Like 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:43.440 I don't wear glasses, whether it be prescription or sunglasses, 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:47.719 so I wouldn't buy a smart glass product. I don't 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:51.000 wear a watch, so I wouldn't buy a smart watch 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:54.120 because I don't need for it. You know, it's it 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:56.959 that's like the main leap for it. Like I okay, 0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:00.360 So I went to a private raizor dem the you 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:04.800 know company, and so they actually they were selling. They 0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:07.520 were they have a project they're working on that's a 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:12.680 prototype that's smart headphones. Hold of those and now so 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.440 they're there selling point for it is you know, if 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:21.480 you aren't someone who wears glasses, you know, there's more 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.840 people who do wear headphones. Everyone listens to music, but 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:27.200 not everyone wears sunglasses. Right, So this they put all 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:32.000 that like all those like uh smart features accept the 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.960 display because obviously it's a headset in the headphones. So 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:38.720 basically the headphones have this little camera on the side 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:42.279 and that's your AI assistant. It can like you're looking 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.600 at a menu, like reading like a menu at a 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:46.160 restaurant in like Japan or something. 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:47.239 That was the demo they showed. 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:52.280 Then the headphones can see the Japanese writing and translate 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.239 it to you in the headphones. Another thing they brought 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.480 up is how smart glasses. When they do translation features, 0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:00.320 everyone in the vicinity could hear the smart glasses to you, 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.040 whereas the headphones, because it's in the headphone set, only 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:07.719 you hear the AI assistant talk to you. Another thing 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.440 they brought up is how you know smart glasses can 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.840 get hot and uncomfortable on your face. Headphones are bigger 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.000 and they're not directly on your face, so they're more 0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:17.719 comfortable to wear. 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:20.360 That was their selling point. But again, I feel like, 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:21.200 in my. 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:25.960 Opinion, the reason to use smart glasses is for specific 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:29.600 use cases in the moment, for display purposes, not AI 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:32.400 assistant features. But that's just my mind because that's not 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:34.920 my cup of tea. But I guess if you're, you know, 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:37.560 trying to sell a product to as many people as possible, 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.200 smart headphones actually do sort of make more sense than 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:44.600 they smart glasses. It's very much in the prototype stage. 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:45.680 They don't even have a price. 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:47.120 They just said it would be competitive. 0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:48.040 Yeah, I'm just. 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:51.239 Kind of like how many They always always like you're 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:53.880 in a foreign country, you're gonna you're gonna look at 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:54.239 a menu. 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:58.200 You don't honestly, how often are you fuck is traveling it? 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:00.680 But that's that sort of shows that the because I 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:02.279 bet a lot of these guys because they work for 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.520 tech companies with big budgets, they probably are traveling a lot. 0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:08.959 They're probably in Japan and China. What's the number one issue? 0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:09.120 Is it? 0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.400 When you're in Singapore and you're and you don't know 0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:12.040 what to eat? 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:12.960 Yeah? 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:15.120 What are their number one issues? 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:15.319 Though? 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:15.640 Yeah? 0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:20.040 When your third vacation home, you're the nearby places just 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:22.600 don't have anything in English and you can't scream at 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:26.160 the waiter until you understand. So you've got your smart headphone, 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.920 and I guess do they even sound good? Like I've 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:32.040 had to raise a headset? They sound fine. I get 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.200 back to the thing I was saying last last chunk 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:38.160 of this show. It's like they're a fucking smart headphone. Fuck, 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:41.359 you make headphones look fit. None of my headphones ever 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:45.440 fit in my fucking weird goblin is like, that's the thing, 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:45.759 my mother. 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:47.880 They're over the ear headphones. They're not air buds. 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.640 Great, Okay, So now they can maybe come up with 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:55.360 a reason because it's just like, okay, I can use 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:59.239 Gemini with them or some such bullshit like well, and. 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:00.840 That's the other thing too, I found with these like 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:02.759 to go. It just made me think about this going 0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:06.080 on this tangent think about AI and glasses. There's a 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.560 lot that's frustrating. But like, first of all, the meta 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.640 stuff always feels like a weird experiment that I'm never using, 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.719 and when I do, I feel like I'm playing a 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.600 weird like immersive game where I'm just like talking to 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.880 something and I have no idea what it's saying is correct, 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.759 And then it's mostly this conversation. It becomes it really 0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:25.799 becomes like a like a performance art where I'm sort 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.360 of like what type of tree? Like I'll stand in 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:30.120 my town, I'll be like, what type of tree? 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:30.440 Is this? 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:31.880 What? 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:33.640 I don't know what to ask it? When it's like 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:35.839 you know, yeah, AI is like you know, it's an 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:37.480 open door, ask it whatever you want. I'm like, I 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:39.680 don't have any idea where to start, like is this? 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:41.760 I end up with things like is that a bench? 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:42.840 What is this? 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:44.480 What is this? 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.960 What is this shoe? And then I don't know And 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.360 then and then they'll say things like you were in 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.360 a lot of is descriptive, which could help like assistive 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.120 to be like you're in a you're in a large 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:56.920 room with a chair, but I don't need to know that. 0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:59.840 So it's like it looks like a comfy red cushion 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:02.799 is there and a person and it will get things 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:06.120 wrong and then it'll apologize and then it's like this 0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:10.759 strange demos like a play. It's like a weird A 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:11.680 lot of performances are a. 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:13.600 Lot of the demos that show off these AI features 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:16.879 really do act like you're an alien that just can't dark. 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:20.160 That's so yeah, It's just it's like their old babies. 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:22.600 It's like, what the fuck is that? That's a bus? 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:24.799 I mean, I feel like almost all of this technology, 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:26.320 like for as long as I've been I mean not 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.759 even I don't write about it really, but like just 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:30.800 sort of observing it is it. A lot of it 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:32.840 is solving problems that I consider to be just like 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:35.600 basically solved, Like you go to the grocery store. 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.040 Well, just like I don't walk around being like if 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.359 I don't know what something is, as long as it's 0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:40.799 not like a. 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:44.879 Creature they getting it wrong and then being like great, 0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:47.840 point dude, like that rather, you know, like. 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:51.839 It goes back to like if you can't really see 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:54.080 it and you want assistance, that's interesting if you want 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:56.480 to read something, which maybe if you're a bad vision, okay, 0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:00.439 but like what am I doing? I don't trust there's 0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:01.840 no advice it can give me, like the whole Like 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:04.879 there is a continuing demo in Glasses about like look 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.120 in a pantry and get cooking advice. That is a 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:10.600 the sock demo where you're like, am I ever staring 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:12.160 at a bunch of cans and asking? And then what 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:13.680 is it going to tell me? Like you could make 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:16.680 a soup with the carrots and the tomato. 0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:18.600 If I'm looking at a pantry and I don't know 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.080 what I want to make, I'm just the type of 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.680 person who's going to go for the microwaveable TV dinner. 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:25.920 Yeah, I'm not going to use the AI to tell 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:27.040 me what to make because I don't cook. 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.960 If I don't know what on my phone, Like if 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:33.600 there's a phone, you're probably exactly. It's also the other 0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:36.200 thing with it is that you're you were more than 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:40.360 anything else, shoehorn. You're funneled into using the AI, and 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.880 usually it's one AI. It was like on your phone, 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:44.759 you've got a million or anything else, you got a 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:46.879 million ways to check stuff, and so you're like, why 0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:50.520 am I trapped in this one? It's like it's like 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:54.560 I'm relying on a strange assistant friend to like do 0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:56.480 things for me, and it makes me feel kind of helpless. 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:57.759 So it's like, I just want to go do this thing, 0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:00.200 and it's like I have to ask assistant person to 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:02.520 kind of fumble away to do it, and like I'm gonna, 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:03.920 of course, you're gonna take out your phone. 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:08.160 And they do all these like over the top convoluted features. 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:10.840 And I just mentioned how I'm not a sunglass or 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:13.320 eyeglass wearer, so I have no interest in the smart glasses. 0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:15.759 But I actually did, for a specific use case, look 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:19.160 into the meta glasses. So when my kids play soccer 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:21.960 and when I go to a game, I would love 0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.000 to not be able to not have to hold my 0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:25.960 phone to real Well, that makes sense, I would love 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:28.399 to have it on record. But then you looked into 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:32.040 the details of those video recordings. The meta sunglasses can't 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:35.080 record longer than a thirty second clip at a time, well. 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.759 Third, three minutes, now sonnutes. 0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:40.000 Unfortunately, those soccer games are longer than. 0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:43.960 Like, there's no reason they should they should allow you 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:45.319 to do it till the battery right now, like. 0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:47.759 An actual good use case for it that a lot 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:51.560 of people parents would go ape shit over something like that. 0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:55.120 And they're spending there instead of spending the time on 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.000 can we make the video record longer than three minutes? 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:00.960 They're spending their time on all the AI features that 0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:02.120 I can't think of any. 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:02.839 Regular use case. 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:04.520 I think it makes sense though if you take it 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.400 from the perspective it's a tech executive. 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.040 It's like, what do people do when they cook? 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:11.080 Well, of course they walk into their pantry, which they've 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:12.960 not been infant sometime, and they go. 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:14.800 What the fuck is all this? What? 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.680 Why are the tomatoes in a can? Usually someone brings these? 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:19.719 How do I get them out? 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:24.040 Bagging it? Just bagging it against and they're like, oh, 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.239 ALEXA free, these tomatoes. 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:32.080 Break open the ca. But it's also like, okay, how 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.120 long how long will they need to do clips? Well, 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:35.320 what what do children do? 0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:38.319 Tiktoks? Tiktoks? Thirty s that's enough. 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:44.000 How much time these tech executives probably spend with have 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:46.719 they ever have they ever attended one of their kids? 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:48.920 So yeah, how long do I spend with them? 0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:51.640 No one who records a video for longer than thirty seconds. 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:54.719 It's one how long could it last? Yeah? 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.319 What are you a monster? Making a ten minute video? 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:04.120 Three minutes and then I've got all Jimmy. It's sad. 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:07.680 It's also like they don't these glasses do not full. 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:08.960 And this is the thing I was interested about with 0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:12.040 Google with project Or, is that they're trying to connect 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:13.840 with your phone. Like the other part of this is 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:17.480 that these things don't even do all the things to 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:19.480 connect with your phone that you would expect to. There's 0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:21.840 a lot of broken paths where it's like whether it's 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:23.640 like Siria, as much as you might not like Siri 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.600 or or Gemini or anything else you used to do, 0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:28.840 like earbuds on your phone, doing some basic things that 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.120 connect these break that path. These will have another thing 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:33.440 you're dealing with meta AI, and it's like the oldies 0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:35.800 of smart watchers, where like the hookens are like, oh, 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.040 it's got one thing for this, but not that, and 0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:40.120 this doesn't do that thing, and so you have to 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:42.800 like discover like a puzzle because none of the phone 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:46.440 companies have opened up good paths. It's also frustrating on 0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:48.960 that end, but that's like how do you even if 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:50.280 you don't get to the point where you can at 0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.080 least work with the phone that you got. That's a 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.480 big problem, Like it needs to do at least everything 0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:59.160 that you want. Even on the Samsung Galaxy XR. The 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:03.520 AI was like that Gemini Live thing was kind of 0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:05.200 interesting in that it could see everything in the room 0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:07.560 in your screens. But then I would ask it to 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:09.800 like close an app, and it was like, okay, to 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.400 do that, move an arrow over to the X and 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:13.960 close it. And I was like, you're telling me how 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:14.680 to close the app. 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:18.120 You're the what if I You're in there already, dude, Yeah, 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:18.880 you're right there. 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.520 It's not like it's more like they're testing it. Then 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:25.640 they have an idea of what you should be doing 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:28.200 with this. It's like it's like if I go to 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.320 a restaurant, I want a menu of like interesting things 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:32.360 that you're gonna tell me, like what are my choices? 0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:34.360 And here it's like in the AI land, it's like 0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:36.600 what do you want in our magic kitchen? And it's 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:38.920 like I don't even know, don't give me choice browses. 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:41.360 I'm like what and then you ask and then sure 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:43.160 enough it can't do some of those things. So it's like, 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:45.160 why did you ask me? I get mad. I'm like, 0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:46.760 just give me a menu of like five options. 0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:48.200 I've been saying for a while. 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.920 It's like, you know what, Ai'd be useful for getting 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.600 through all the fucking menus they've added to my goddamn phone, 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:56.880 the one hundred different options in the settings of my 0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:59.240 iPhone that is now like one part it's like, do 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:02.600 you need to subscribe to Apple Music? Like I'm already subscribed. 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:04.880 I'm already a pay pig. You've already got me tim 0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:07.520 And it's just like, no, we can't close the menu. 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.080 But what if we looked in your pantry and came 0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:14.600 up with an idea and it's just does it work 0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:15.080 every time? 0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:17.000 God? No, no, no, no, no, no, don't we don't 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:21.040 do that here. We just we guess ish And I 0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:21.320 don't know. 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:22.200 It's I wonder. 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:24.640 I genuinely I don't think they'll talk to me for 0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:26.480 many reasons, but I kind of want to just grab 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:28.360 one of them and scream, I mean, just talk to 0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:31.360 one of them and say have you ever existed? 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:33.840 Like what do you what does your day look like? 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:35.960 Because like I don't know. When I cook, I like 0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:37.360 go and see what's in the fridge. It's like, oh, 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.680 it's a challenge. It's like a little chit, like, Okay, 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:41.240 I'll work out what the fuck I'm gonna put together 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.480 with whatever, like the eighteen diet cokes and the three 0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:46.360 pieces of old meat and they're like, oh, get some 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:47.960 seasoning and just eating raw. 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:50.080 But it's like you, that's part of being a human. 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:52.120 It's like, what if we remove the friction, well, not 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:55.640 really the friction, what if we added friction an idea. 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:57.040 It's just very sad. 0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:57.880 It's just sad. 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:02.280 It's sad, but it feels like like many things, AI 1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:06.520 is forcing the hand and kind of ruining the landscape. 1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:09.480 It reminds me of like, among many things in the metaverse, 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:12.840 I thought it was interesting following the philosophy of the meta, 1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:14.880 Like I'm gonna say, I thought the ideas in the 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:17.000 metaverse are interesting. But then you could see it turning 1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:22.080 over hyping, cryptoifying, becoming whatever, and nobody knew what the 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:24.120 hell it was, and everything became this hype cycle and 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:26.760 it blew out, And I feel like AI is in 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:30.840 that space where it's like beyond other things, nobody everyone's 1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:34.040 so rushing that nobody's thinking about any philosophical ideas that 1:00:34.360 --> 1:00:37.040 are important, But at the point is that glasses now 1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:39.600 feel like a place where all that AI hype is 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:42.920 being forced in fast as opposed to like, how are 1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:44.919 you going to use these on like a design area 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:49.600 VR for all the people would shit on it. I 1:00:49.760 --> 1:00:52.680 do admire thinking back that like VR headsets, you could 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:54.240 really do a lot of things in them in terms 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:57.520 of knowing how to navigate them, and glasses are just like, oh, 1:00:57.520 --> 1:00:59.200 they're going to be in your life, but nobody's really 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:01.960 come up with any inner Even the Orion things were 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:03.200 like and. 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:05.000 That's like the ten thousand dollar METSA. 1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:06.560 One, the one that doesn't yeah, the one that doesn't 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:08.760 exist yet. But like even like a ray Bann Displaze, 1:01:09.000 --> 1:01:11.240 all of a sudden, you're just swipe swipe swiping through apps, 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:13.480 and I'm like, nobody came up with a better way 1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:15.320 to do that, because it's like I don't want to 1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:16.000 swipe swipe. 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:19.040 Like the idea of just being like it's just another 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:22.120 way to jam you into our stack. The future you 1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:23.960 might be spending all of you know, like whatever our 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:26.440 interface versus the other interface versus. 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:28.560 You would have like some new idea like it doesn't 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:30.000 have to be like a new idea for new ideas sake, 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:35.160 but it's like, could it be less annoying than other stuff? Right? 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:37.400 And if it's not so, I feel like nobody has 1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:40.840 really solved that yet. I'm curious if it'll happen. That's 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:43.720 why I love covering this. It is curious. All Right, 1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:46.520 we're gonna wrap this this thirty minute bit for now. 1:01:46.880 --> 1:01:49.760 Matt bennefam Mashable of course joining us. We've got Scott 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:53.280 Stein from Sena and of course David Roth and I'm 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:55.760 at Zetra And this next ad is from Golpo the 1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:59.240 Cola that Burns, so please buy Golpo. 1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:12.320 And we're back, brought to you by Golpo the Color 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:14.920 that Burns. This is the CS Experience Better Offline. I'm 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:16.880 your host that zitch On. I'm joined by Matt Banda 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:20.520 from Mashable. Hello, Scott Stein from cenap Hi, and of 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:21.760 course David rutham Defect. 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:22.120 Hello. 1:02:22.480 --> 1:02:25.120 And we were just talking about pepcom, which is a 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:28.000 show I can't rememberfer that's Show Stoppers or Pepcom. 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:28.760 They wouldn't let me. 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:30.640 Into They're all very similar. 1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:34.880 So the media days when before it even ces officially 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:37.920 opens to the public. There's the first three nights of 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:41.840 ces there's like this big like exhibition type event, right, 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:45.240 first night's unveiled, second night's pepcom, third night is showstoppers. 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:50.200 And basically these companies, a lot of them smaller tech startups, 1:02:50.680 --> 1:02:53.200 basically use these as an opportunity to get some attention 1:02:53.360 --> 1:02:56.080 because no one really seeks these companies out of events 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:57.919 because no one knows who the fuck they are before 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:01.800 they get to cees and see them. Last year, for example, 1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:05.280 the Big Winner unveiled and I covered it, I think 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:06.480 even spoke about it on this show. 1:03:06.560 --> 1:03:09.160 Last year was the Salt Spoony. 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:12.640 Yeah yeah, salt and we got very sawcastic and it 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:15.120 turned out to actually be very useful for specific people. 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:17.560 Yeah yeah, but like it was for people don't know. 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:20.880 It was a spoon that basically for people who couldn't 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:25.920 eat foods with salt like situation, instead of just being 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:29.960 stuck eating plain foods, they take a scoop of their 1:03:30.040 --> 1:03:34.080 soup with no salt, and the spoon sent like a 1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:37.200 zapp that you can't feel into the spoon, which like 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:39.480 lights up your taste buds and makes it and like 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:41.880 tricks your tongue into thinking the food taste salty. 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:42.959 And it worked. 1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:43.640 I tried it out. 1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:45.800 I was pretty shocked that it worked, but it worked. 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:48.840 And that's an example of sort of the weird type 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:52.680 of stuff you could find at these like ces exhibition 1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:53.320 type shows. 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:55.720 Yeah, have you seen anything weird and unveiled at all? 1:03:56.400 --> 1:04:00.600 There was a chess playing robot, and you wonder, like, 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:03.360 what's the market for that, Like you're gonna. 1:04:03.160 --> 1:04:05.720 Buy you can walk into any Paul in New York 1:04:05.800 --> 1:04:09.720 and find seven old men for free for free. 1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:14.480 Well, no, they will hustle, just like yeah, sit down, 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:15.040 young blood. 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:22.000 The chess had nearly as interesting a life. Whoever, the 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:24.880 guy is a Dana Moora for twenty two years and 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:27.720 it takes fifty dollars from you over the course of 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:28.680 a few games of chess. 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:31.960 It's also like, there are so many programs to play chess, 1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:33.640 like why would you need the actual road. 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:37.080 Chess don't like yeah, people don't no, no, like you 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:40.280 just mentioned yeah those three point one right you play? 1:04:40.680 --> 1:04:43.160 You play against the robot regularly on your computer. This 1:04:43.320 --> 1:04:47.160 is a physical chess board with a robot that sits 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:49.520 on the other side of you and physically like has 1:04:49.560 --> 1:04:52.240 a claw that comes down and moves the pieces, which 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:55.840 which is weird because I've seen technological like chess sets 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:58.480 that basically have like a mechanism underneath the poor right 1:04:58.640 --> 1:05:01.720 that just like slides the piece, which seems I mean, 1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:05.920 if you absolutely need a physical robotic chess board, that 1:05:06.000 --> 1:05:09.440 seems like the more practical version then having this it was. 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:10.760 Like a humanoid, was it? 1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:14.080 Just it was like a BB eight sized robot sitting 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:16.600 across from you with the mechanical arm. 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:18.720 But that was moving the chess paces. 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:19.160 Yeah. 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:21.240 It was sort of like, first of all, like this 1:05:21.400 --> 1:05:23.919 looks very expensive, So I don't know who you're gonna 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:26.560 sell this to. I guess people who want to show 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:28.120 off their robot playing chess. 1:05:29.440 --> 1:05:31.920 Yeah, I mean it's a great thing that would be 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:36.240 in Drake's home. It's not like, all right, we already. 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:39.920 You're not doing great if you have this product. 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:41.080 Bespoke chess robot. 1:05:41.880 --> 1:05:42.440 Check this out. 1:05:42.480 --> 1:05:43.720 I don't care like this. 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:47.680 Just look at really how fast? Was it really slow? 1:05:47.720 --> 1:05:48.040 As well? 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:49.280 Please tell me it was really slow. 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:52.400 It wasn't very slow. It was this normal speed. 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:54.320 That's if I want one of those. 1:05:54.360 --> 1:05:58.320 I wanted to be like like really fucking like just barely, 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:01.640 like it takes like half an in it, yeah, or or. 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:04.440 Like an arcade claw machine and it sometimes just drops 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:06.160 these like just randomly. 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:08.479 Us. 1:06:09.520 --> 1:06:12.520 I love this so but so the did you talk 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:14.920 to them at all? Because I have way more questions 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:17.000 for them than anyone else so far. I did it 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:18.920 because I thought that I looked at it and I 1:06:19.080 --> 1:06:22.160 was like I thought of the chest that those chessboards 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:24.240 that have the mechanism underneath that, like, what is the 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:26.439 point of this? I don't know, I should have Maybe 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:29.520 if I see them again, I'll inquire more for you, 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:33.280 please do I must not be anything anything else. 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:37.280 We like there was this thing that like I don't 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:39.600 even know how to explain it. It was like I 1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:42.480 just saw it in motion. It was like this this 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:46.160 almost like a roller type thing that you would lay 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:48.480 down and it rolls under your back. 1:06:48.560 --> 1:06:50.240 I guess it's like to give you a massage. 1:06:50.440 --> 1:06:51.960 Actually sound it was. 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:56.080 It was weird looking though, because like if you know, 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:58.280 like in like cartoons when they go down like one 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:00.680 of those like slides that have like the up and 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:04.800 down things, and the cartoon like body goes like yeah 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:06.520 in a way that your back can't go. 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:09.880 This thing was like making it look like cartoon people 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:12.160 the way they were their backs, we were contorting. 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:12.640 Yeah. 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:14.800 I wanted to try it, but there was a pretty 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:15.480 long line for it. 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:16.880 I love that I did. 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:19.680 I think one of our colleagues, Bridget, did a demo 1:07:19.720 --> 1:07:21.800 of that was talking about it afterwards, and I was like, oh, 1:07:22.200 --> 1:07:22.560 is it is it? 1:07:22.840 --> 1:07:24.400 Is it like meant to like give you like to 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:24.920 fix your back. 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:27.440 I didn't really get to think she found it fine. 1:07:27.880 --> 1:07:32.800 Yeah, I think she found it Okay. The endorsement, Yes, yes, 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:34.200 I think it was fine. 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:35.560 I mean a lot of that stuff that I remember 1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:37.120 seeing last year, a lot of the sort of like 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:40.760 robotic assistant things like it seemed like the basically like 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:42.920 the best you could hope for from it. Is like, 1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:46.360 I did not experience whiplash from right sitting in this 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:49.479 gaming chair that moves at its own like a chord 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:49.960 or whatever. 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:51.520 No physical damage is a whim. 1:07:51.880 --> 1:07:54.600 Fine functions, Fine, the robot did not harm me. 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:56.680 If you want to put that on the poster, you can, Like. 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:59.560 We have a colleague wearing an exoskeleton walking around. 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:03.320 Evans has one of those two I know, and was going, I. 1:08:03.400 --> 1:08:05.480 Think he likes it. He actually got it for real 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:09.760 therapeutic purposes, for like his his hip or something. But 1:08:10.720 --> 1:08:12.320 it's fascinating. I was like, we're at the show where 1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:15.000 I see people casually wearing exos, Elton's or you know 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:18.679 whatever you would call them, like, and I think someone 1:08:18.720 --> 1:08:20.880 else is testing out one. I had a really hard 1:08:20.920 --> 1:08:23.320 time at Unveiled finding weird tech. And that's actually my 1:08:24.120 --> 1:08:26.920 my my judging zone. I was supposed to look weird tech. 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:27.400 I had. 1:08:27.760 --> 1:08:29.880 I had a sort of existential crisis where I wandered 1:08:29.920 --> 1:08:33.160 around trying. That's also hard, like maybe if you try 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:34.800 to find it, it doesn't find no thought. 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:36.320 I thought the same thing, and I think that what 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:38.960 happened this year was usually the weird tech is very 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:39.960 visually appealing. 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:42.320 Yes, there were no visually you. 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:44.439 Need to go to the corner of the convention center 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:49.320 into like the like shin Zen Jao Corporation where it's 1:08:49.439 --> 1:08:52.880 like where it's like cameras, cameras, batteries, dildos. 1:08:53.520 --> 1:08:55.600 Yeah, every time that it's like. 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:58.760 This eighteen wood long thing and it has like it's 1:08:58.800 --> 1:09:00.160 just a printed white piece a. 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:03.559 Pipe, so visually unappealing, how like what it just kind 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:04.480 of like featureless? 1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:07.200 Yeah, So Usually when we go to these things, we 1:09:07.240 --> 1:09:08.600 have a video team that comes with us, and we 1:09:08.680 --> 1:09:12.080 try to find things that will basically translate on video. 1:09:12.280 --> 1:09:15.559 Like someone will will see the thumbnail or a clip 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:16.600 as they're scrolling. 1:09:16.320 --> 1:09:19.160 By and be like, Oh, this looks really damn chess. 1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:19.479 Yeah. 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:23.200 Yeah, but like there really wasn't much of that in 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:26.760 terms of visually, like you know, okay, give I'll give 1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:28.639 you an example, like this is another thing I wanted 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:29.040 to bring up. 1:09:29.080 --> 1:09:31.240 So there's a lot of I noticed all like baby 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:32.479 related tech. 1:09:33.000 --> 1:09:34.600 But to me, I'm thinking, like a lot of this 1:09:34.640 --> 1:09:37.439 stuff is for like very small bait like newborn, and 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:40.120 you're gonna like spend this money on something that's gonna 1:09:40.200 --> 1:09:44.040 last you like maybe six months. So there was one 1:09:44.080 --> 1:09:45.640 thing I don't remember the name of the device, but 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:51.360 it's this monitor that goes on your baby's ankle. No, 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.880 it's a different company. I can't remember if but no, 1:09:55.000 --> 1:09:57.800 Allen is a is a company that makes baby stuff. Yeah, no, 1:09:57.880 --> 1:10:01.080 you're not wrong, but it's an a monitor for babies 1:10:01.160 --> 1:10:02.519 that track their alcohol and. 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:07.720 Off the car deactivates the cars. 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:11.120 They can't know, but it was it tracks their heartbeat 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:12.080 and the point of it. 1:10:12.320 --> 1:10:14.599 And that's useful like this, this is like the set 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:16.160 like the Wids and Sudden. 1:10:16.280 --> 1:10:16.320 No. 1:10:16.479 --> 1:10:18.880 The way they were selling it was so parents know 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:21.760 when the best the optimal time is to place your 1:10:21.840 --> 1:10:23.640 baby in the crib so they don't wake up. 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:26.240 Nice baby hacking. Yes, finally, yes. 1:10:26.280 --> 1:10:28.360 So it like I guess it tracks their heart rate 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:30.800 and the optimal heart rate. I guess when they're in 1:10:30.840 --> 1:10:33.439 a deep sleep, it lights up a certain color and 1:10:33.560 --> 1:10:35.840 that's when the optimal time is to put your baby 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:39.680 down psychotic And like I listen, I I wouldn't buy 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:41.320 something like that to put I want to put an 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:43.080 ankle monitor on my baby. But I could see if 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:45.160 you're a desperate parents who's having trouble there, maybe you 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:48.040 would look into that solution. But also, like, unless it's 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:51.160 priced very cheaply, I can't imagine buying something that you're 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:52.360 gonna use a few months. 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:55.479 This sounds like something someone who remembers having kids built. 1:10:56.120 --> 1:10:58.120 Like someone was like, yeah, you know what full my 1:10:58.200 --> 1:10:59.360 baby there is crying? 1:11:00.760 --> 1:11:02.840 Yeah, I mean it is like definitely an experience that 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:05.400 I mean, I'm not a man of child personally, but 1:11:05.479 --> 1:11:08.400 it is like a man child. But I'm just saying 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:11.360 I'm an active uncle. You know, I'm a very engaged uncle. 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:14.599 But it is uncle, and it is one of those things. 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:17.400 I'm yeah, I'm a chopped unk and I'm not afraid 1:11:17.439 --> 1:11:19.559 to come on here and talk as such. 1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:22.439 No cap, now that you bring that up, this does 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:26.760 sound like a device that the uncle would buy, yeahs 1:11:27.360 --> 1:11:28.040 or something like that. 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:29.400 It's uncle tech. 1:11:29.600 --> 1:11:31.840 Yes, I heard these things don't like to sleep, so 1:11:32.000 --> 1:11:33.360 I got you a thing. They will tell you when 1:11:33.400 --> 1:11:34.280 it's asleep. 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:36.760 You can maximize your baby. You're like. 1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:39.599 Your baby maxing. 1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:42.559 It's supposed to be good. 1:11:42.720 --> 1:11:44.400 It is funny though, like the idea, I mean like 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:46.640 it's as funny and it is very funny to me. 1:11:46.720 --> 1:11:49.120 The idea of being like you must optimize your toddler like. 1:11:49.200 --> 1:11:52.720 That is that's funny to me. But it's also like 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:55.559 it's a reflection of who is like funding this ship 1:11:55.600 --> 1:11:58.000 and who is coming up with these ideas, like in 1:11:58.120 --> 1:11:59.920 terms of what is the experience that you would want 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:01.840 the most from your baby, And it's like you want 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:03.280 them to be healthy, you want to be happy, you 1:12:03.320 --> 1:12:05.479 want them to sleep. But then there's this other element 1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:08.080 where it's like and you must excel as like a parent, 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:09.360 like I think what. 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:11.439 It is is like the venture capitalist, and this is 1:12:11.520 --> 1:12:14.840 not necessarily like therefore, I guess, but like a venture 1:12:14.880 --> 1:12:18.200 capitalist is by definition probably pretty well off, so they 1:12:18.240 --> 1:12:20.720 probably have like a lot more parental support. I feel like, 1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:22.519 if you're funding baby take, you should go and just 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:25.280 talk to the most stressed babyona. 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:27.760 Yeah, I have a kid. I really shouldn't be like 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:29.960 babyonas if I don't have one. But this was much 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:30.320 older than that. 1:12:30.360 --> 1:12:32.160 I kept thinking about last year. It is like where 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:35.760 is the consumer in the consumer electronics? Yeah, and there 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:37.680 were devices that and the stuff I remember from the 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:42.080 floor most fondly last year were like old fashioned American 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:44.880 inventions with a technological aspect. It was like, it's a 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:48.120 dog door that opens because your dog collar has a 1:12:48.200 --> 1:12:50.200 chip in it so it recognizes that it's your dog 1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:53.400 and it's not letting in a raccoon or a prowler 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:57.200 or whatever, and like that's not, you know, groundbreaking, but 1:12:57.320 --> 1:12:59.000 it's like all right, cool, Like I get it. 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:00.800 Yeah, this is a machine that sits on your calendar. 1:13:00.840 --> 1:13:02.320 It makes soft serve ice cream sick. 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:04.200 Fuck me up. My kitchen is way too small to 1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:06.080 have that. But it would be great if it were 1:13:06.200 --> 1:13:08.240 we like ice cream, but yes, you can see where 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:10.120 the consumer is and all of that. And then the 1:13:10.200 --> 1:13:12.120 ones that always kind of blew me away were like 1:13:12.240 --> 1:13:15.160 beyond the stuff that's just like kind of junk or 1:13:15.280 --> 1:13:18.120 like white label or just over abstracted. Yeah, is the 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:20.920 stuff like this where it's like you have this miraculous 1:13:21.000 --> 1:13:27.040 technical capacity and no sense of what an ordinary person 1:13:27.120 --> 1:13:29.080 might use it for it and you clearly didn't ask, 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:30.880 like you never try to get that. 1:13:30.960 --> 1:13:32.360 That's kind of why I'm going. And it's like, have 1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:34.719 you talked to a parent. I don't mean a fucking 1:13:35.120 --> 1:13:37.320 parent clearing a quarter of a million dollars a year. 1:13:37.560 --> 1:13:39.680 I mean like a fucking parent who has got two 1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:42.799 children and a part time job and is fucking suffering 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:46.800 because the outlet suck is like useful because it can 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:49.800 like monitor the baby, make sure that something infantestiner doesn't 1:13:49.840 --> 1:13:52.840 have like mountless hot rate and breathing and such like 1:13:52.960 --> 1:13:55.320 useful things to make sure your kid is alive, like 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:56.800 very meaningful stuff. 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:58.320 It's only for six months, but man, you. 1:13:58.680 --> 1:14:00.240 Really want to make sure they are life all of 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:02.800 the month's ideally, But it's like there's a real thing, 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:04.800 but it's just like, yeah, great, you can make sure 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:07.120 your baby's heart rate. No, you put the kid down 1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:09.880 when it fucking is ready, like when the kid is 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:12.120 ready to sleep and you just fucking sit there and. 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:14.800 Go, fuck, it's just please please please just go to sleep. 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:17.800 Please don't do this to me. Please, Matt. You've got kids, y, Yeah, I. 1:14:19.680 --> 1:14:21.519 Got three, but each each one of them was different 1:14:21.520 --> 1:14:22.240 about the sleep thing. 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:25.320 But I can't imagine using the thing that any of 1:14:25.360 --> 1:14:28.400 them simply because like, is there is there really even 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:29.320 an optimal time? 1:14:29.560 --> 1:14:32.280 Like? Why else? So was this an ankle monitor? 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:33.200 Yeah? 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:35.960 It goes. It's it's a they you strap it on 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:38.800 their their leg, like around their ankle, and it's like 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:42.720 a circular device and it lights up red when it's 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:43.639 definitely not time. 1:14:43.960 --> 1:14:46.679 It lights up on their leg yes, and then what's 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:47.280 the fuck? 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:51.320 And then lights up green when it's almost time when 1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:52.160 they're drifting off this. 1:14:52.320 --> 1:14:55.040 Can I just be clear you're talking about attaching it 1:14:55.160 --> 1:14:58.680 flashing light to a newborn's ankle, yes, newbornes. And my 1:14:58.760 --> 1:15:01.479 distinct experience and new born is that sock just fucking 1:15:01.560 --> 1:15:04.800 comes off all the time. So you're like giving a 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:06.160 flashing light to a baby. 1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:08.479 You gotta really clamp it on there. But I got 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:09.160 to get it on tight. 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:11.519 You don't think the baby's gonna see the flashing light 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:13.600 one of the only things that can recognize in the 1:15:13.640 --> 1:15:18.560 complete I'm just fuck with it constantly because that's what you. 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:24.559 I want one of those for like my seventeen year old, 1:15:25.080 --> 1:15:27.840 just to kind of be like, how you doing? Can 1:15:27.880 --> 1:15:28.840 I monitor your ankle? 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:29.320 Yeah? 1:15:29.400 --> 1:15:29.880 It's that cool? 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:30.800 Is that right? 1:15:30.840 --> 1:15:32.880 If I get a push alert for our whole let 1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:35.760 me know if you're actually sleeping, we could all have ankle. 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:39.360 In twelve yeah, rhyme. 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:40.120 Yeah. 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:42.760 And when you think about what the problems are, it's 1:15:42.840 --> 1:15:45.680 like they're emotional, so take really can't fix that. They 1:15:45.680 --> 1:15:47.280 can add to the right if you'd like. If you'd 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:50.559 like the more problems, the social network apps will help 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:50.800 with that. 1:15:51.160 --> 1:15:51.280 Well. 1:15:51.320 --> 1:15:52.680 This is an interesting thing too. It's like the over 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:57.040 monitoring versus like personal experience. Like we didn't use a 1:15:57.120 --> 1:16:01.800 lot of tech raising our kids, but other than iPads, 1:16:01.880 --> 1:16:06.519 but like we there's like personal experience. It's like do 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:08.040 you want something to tell you how to cook or 1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:10.080 do you want to just like mess around with trying 1:16:10.120 --> 1:16:12.000 to see what cooks well and what burns and then 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:15.280 you get natural experience that kind of gets ingrained and 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:17.240 you go, oh, I know because I've been doing it 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:20.160 over time. That's like parenting. You're like I begin to 1:16:20.200 --> 1:16:24.600 get a general feel and sense of that kid and 1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:27.719 their behavior. It just happens. It happens when you pay attention. 1:16:28.080 --> 1:16:30.200 And that's the thing Like I don't talk about much 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:32.479 about myket on the show because I have a lot 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:34.360 of people who listen to and I won't keep them. 1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:35.160 It's his world. 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:37.519 But it's like, yeah, you learn from your child what 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:39.880 they have it so when they are sleepy, right when 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:42.360 they will tell you I'm not tued, you'll go to sleep, 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:44.280 You're gonna fall asleep in two fucking with his brother, 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:45.720 You're either get in that bad is a nice and 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:46.240 couz you're going. 1:16:46.200 --> 1:16:46.800 To go right to sleep. 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:49.760 Were like the category error that we're talking about here, 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:51.960 where it's just like fundamentally being like do you want 1:16:52.000 --> 1:16:55.400 your phone to solve this thing that is like not 1:16:55.560 --> 1:16:57.960 your work, like not your commute, like the shit that 1:16:58.080 --> 1:16:59.639 like you have to do so that you can afford 1:16:59.680 --> 1:17:01.920 the others. It's like do you want us to take 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:04.960 the experience like the actual pleasurable part of being alive, 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:07.639 like and for me like as like a you know again, 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:09.360 we don't have kids, we can afford to like make 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:11.120 dinner most nights, like me and my wife Like that 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:13.760 is like really fucking precious time to me. I like 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:16.479 I think about it, you know, like we go in 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:19.080 with a game plan. We enjoy like working and cooking together, 1:17:19.080 --> 1:17:21.360 and we're not exactly being like behind you chef like 1:17:21.400 --> 1:17:23.680 as we move through our shit laun but we're like 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:27.559 closer than it's probably you know, healthy. But the idea 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:29.800 of like replacing that with being like I'm just gonna 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:31.760 like let my phone either tell me what to do 1:17:32.120 --> 1:17:34.080 or eventually. I mean this was like the big promise 1:17:34.160 --> 1:17:35.680 for a lot of the smart home shit last year 1:17:36.120 --> 1:17:38.840 was like just my house will do it, Like they'll 1:17:38.920 --> 1:17:40.840 make the coffee for me. It's like making coffee is 1:17:40.880 --> 1:17:43.640 really important to me. Actually, Like that is part of 1:17:43.680 --> 1:17:45.560 how I remember that I'm a human before I like 1:17:45.640 --> 1:17:48.080 get on my computer and get really upset about shit. 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:50.040 All long, you know, like and it's like they don't 1:17:50.120 --> 1:17:52.960 solve the actual things which are annoying. Like I love 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:54.320 my dinner with my olfriend. 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:57.200 It's nice. It's nice it's an experience together, it's something 1:17:57.240 --> 1:17:57.400 you do. 1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:00.920 I fucking hate laundry and cleaning, and they've barey fucking 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:01.840 good like they've been. 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:04.040 I think, how long have you been going to CEES? 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:06.040 Like it has been a long long time. So I 1:18:06.080 --> 1:18:09.720 went to my first CSH for work purposes probably two 1:18:09.720 --> 1:18:10.280 thousand and four. 1:18:10.479 --> 1:18:11.960 Okay, how many times? 1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:17.679 How many times have you seen oh, the same fucking one, 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:21.200 the folding the laundry, the folding robot. Like I think 1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:25.240 over a decade, like there is one company that just 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:27.200 every is like, this is the fucking year, folks. 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:31.799 There's one laundry company probably, but there's a few companies. 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:33.360 I haven't been going anywhere near as long as you. 1:18:33.479 --> 1:18:34.840 Yeah, it's been a long time, and this is either 1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:35.479 year four or. 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:38.439 Five for me, But I've already noticed there's companies that 1:18:38.720 --> 1:18:41.920 I feel like literally just exist to go to CES. 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:45.800 Like they don't ever put anything out. They always bring 1:18:45.920 --> 1:18:49.120 the same or a similar product, and year after year 1:18:49.320 --> 1:18:52.280 it's just the same thing. And it's like, first of all, 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:53.880 we do we get in the like I don't know 1:18:53.920 --> 1:18:55.720 how much it costs to show up and as with 1:18:55.800 --> 1:18:57.920 a booth at CES, but I'm guessing it's not cheap. 1:18:58.240 --> 1:19:00.120 Yeah, like what do you what are you doing? The 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:01.880 compete the money laundering show? 1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:05.760 No, I have notes for CS Unveiled like things like that. 1:19:06.240 --> 1:19:08.639 Here's my note for it based on what I saw yesterday. 1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:12.400 I made me think about. I was a judge at 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:15.080 MIT Reality Hacket last year, which was actually really interesting 1:19:15.080 --> 1:19:17.280 because it's like it was a lot of students pitching 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:21.360 random projects that involved like AR and XR, and you 1:19:21.479 --> 1:19:23.880 basically went around to a lot of tables and you 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:25.840 had five minutes it was each one, and they had 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:28.360 to come up with a pitch, and it was like okay, 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:29.800 like I don't know what it could be, but it's 1:19:29.880 --> 1:19:31.519 like we did this thing, We're gonna come up with it. 1:19:31.560 --> 1:19:33.639 We're gonna get you experienced, get understand. It's like yeah, 1:19:33.800 --> 1:19:36.639 and it's like speed dating, but a show like Unveiled 1:19:36.800 --> 1:19:39.040 is not speed dating. It's literally just find your way. 1:19:39.320 --> 1:19:40.960 If they made it, I don't think i'd want it 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:43.240 to be a speed dating but like, you have a 1:19:43.280 --> 1:19:44.559 bunch of tables, and if they're not like you say, 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:47.240 if they're not perfectly clear and grabby and they have 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:48.920 a headline. There are a lot of companies that was 1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:52.960 like Mercamo MA and it's like, okay, there's like it's 1:19:53.000 --> 1:19:55.040 just an empty table with like an item on it. 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:57.160 And then it's like, is the game that I'm supposed 1:19:57.160 --> 1:20:00.720 to talk to you and retrieve the inform? I'm like, 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:02.960 I can't. I can't right now, like and I don't. 1:20:03.520 --> 1:20:05.280 It's it I'm not into that game right now. 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:06.280 And so I thought the. 1:20:06.280 --> 1:20:08.679 Pitches were not were not clear. A lot of companies, 1:20:09.040 --> 1:20:11.400 it also is like some like you know, could be 1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:14.000 international or whatever else, but it's like maybe they're looking 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:16.120 for components or things, but this is a media more 1:20:16.160 --> 1:20:17.840 media focused thing and unveiled. 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:18.960 And they pay extra for this, don't they. 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:21.240 Yeah, And so you go, why am I looking at that? 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:23.000 I just don't have time and it's over stuffed with 1:20:23.080 --> 1:20:26.160 too many things. So and plus there are no like 1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:28.040 it's not like a grocery store where you're like, here's 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:31.200 the baking stuff, here's the meats. Like I would like 1:20:31.280 --> 1:20:33.760 if they made categories where it's like the rope. The 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:38.400 emotional robots that were like five of them, it's just as. 1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:42.040 Two hundred aisle three hundred. There were moments emotional robots 1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:44.920 that I kept walking through and being like, oh, I'm 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:47.519 in the like this is the the sex apps, this 1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:52.320 is the like weird rights are everywhere, They're all over 1:20:52.360 --> 1:20:55.040 the place, and like Dido. For the one bit that 1:20:55.240 --> 1:20:58.240 seemed actually coherent, I remember was in like one of 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:00.160 the basements last year that was like kind of the 1:21:00.240 --> 1:21:02.200 Hall of Nations and you would be going through and 1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:04.840 it's here's like the Netherlands wants to. 1:21:04.840 --> 1:21:07.120 Talk to you about what it is. That's the French zone. 1:21:07.360 --> 1:21:09.000 But it's the only bit that felt organized. 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:12.400 But what's interesting that a scattershot Yeah that press event. 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:14.560 Yeah, whenever I go down to the nation thing, what 1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:17.280 I actually usually get like a little bit angry about it. 1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:18.920 It's like, damn, this is this. 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:23.559 This is like countries that actually support their their startup 1:21:23.640 --> 1:21:27.000 companies with funding because that's why they're there representing their country. 1:21:27.479 --> 1:21:31.240 And there's like no United States section because the US doesn't. 1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:32.879 Do that show. 1:21:34.640 --> 1:21:35.360 What do you think this is? 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:38.000 No, they usually have like a US government section though 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:40.120 it's like oh, but it's just like this is what 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:42.320 the post Office is doing in them. 1:21:43.160 --> 1:21:44.840 But it's not like the oh if there was a 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:48.959 c I A one, well that's the that's the Pallenteer. 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:51.280 Right, I was gonna say, you. 1:21:52.000 --> 1:21:54.439 Go down to the CIA both he h what happened 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:55.600 with JFK you do that? 1:21:55.800 --> 1:21:55.840 Was? 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:55.920 That? 1:21:57.040 --> 1:21:58.000 Was that usday? 1:21:58.560 --> 1:21:59.000 What do you do? 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:02.760 I'll just watch the was you do that shit? 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:04.639 I think I could probably get killed at that. Both 1:22:04.720 --> 1:22:08.479 one percent within fun just asking annoying questions. It is 1:22:08.840 --> 1:22:10.720 one thing just to go back to Scott said that, 1:22:10.920 --> 1:22:13.760 like it's funny. And I remember this experience again, like 1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:15.720 just because I you know, I haven't been on the. 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:16.360 Floors this year. 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:19.320 I felt last year both like heartened and a little 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:21.640 bit embarrassed by how much like a little bit of 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:26.320 oath mode curb appeal, like showmanship would like win me over. 1:22:26.479 --> 1:22:28.880 Like the reason I knew about that dog door was 1:22:28.920 --> 1:22:30.280 that they had they had made it out of some 1:22:30.720 --> 1:22:34.000 metal substance that they had, you know, like whatever, perfectly 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:37.680 calibrated themselves and there was a big mallet that you 1:22:37.760 --> 1:22:39.880 could swing and hit it into the door and it 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:42.680 never dented. Yeah, And so the reason I found it 1:22:42.840 --> 1:22:44.320 was that like I was walking around with the Jesse 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:46.360 Farrar and we were like, what is that loud noise? 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:49.479 And then just like a pair of dogs off leash 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:53.040 wandered over and we're like what does this do? And 1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:56.000 like it was something I really liked learning about it, 1:22:56.120 --> 1:22:59.440 Like I found the people very pleasing, uh you know, conversationalists. 1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:02.160 But it was one something that I found because that was. 1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:05.760 Exactly that exact why we're here. It's like, this is 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:08.280 why it's a physical show. It's like there's the Internet, 1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:10.880 Like there's information everywhere. You could always be looking up 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:13.320 stuff or what people are here. You should be like 1:23:13.439 --> 1:23:16.040 it goes back to that science fair type thing. It's like, 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:18.600 is this you got to come up with a If 1:23:18.640 --> 1:23:20.519 you're gonna be here, you gotta come up with an 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:23.040 interesting picture, like not don't do a stupid one, but 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:26.000 do like a yeah, try to get something to catch 1:23:26.000 --> 1:23:28.439 our attention and explain it with just the whole point 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:29.400 with the. 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:34.479 Dogs just Jesse and I were the dogs And okay, what. 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:37.280 Was interesting about you bringing up we were talking about 1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:40.000 just two seconds ago, the how nothing is like the 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:43.800 layout is not planned and like categories what I'm dying 1:23:43.880 --> 1:23:45.360 to know if they do it again this this year, 1:23:45.400 --> 1:23:47.280 if there's even enough companies to fill it out. But 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:50.280 last year there was one section and I brought it 1:23:50.400 --> 1:23:52.040 up on the show too, and I thought it was 1:23:52.080 --> 1:23:55.920 so funny. There was a Web three section and it 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:59.439 was like, oh, these companies are now so embarrassing. We 1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:02.519 want like them off to the side, behind a curtain. 1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:05.320 We let them all in a specific section where they 1:24:05.320 --> 1:24:08.200 could be avoided, and it was like they were they were. 1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:11.400 There was no like strap crypto or blockchain companies, but 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:13.800 they were still these companies that believed in like the 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:16.880 promise of without using the word NFT, the promise of 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:21.320 like the digital ownership of things and and the metaverse 1:24:21.400 --> 1:24:25.120 type stuff. And they actually did create a Web three 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:28.599 section that that actually said the Web three like arena 1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:31.320 or something, and it was like, there's no reason to 1:24:31.400 --> 1:24:33.880 do that unless you want people to know where they 1:24:33.920 --> 1:24:35.000 can actively avoid. 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:37.679 If they don't want that, yeah, well, like the five 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:39.160 perverts that need to go there. 1:24:39.120 --> 1:24:41.519 Right, I feel like you're keeping everybody away from everybody 1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:43.160 else the way that there's people that are like I 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:43.680 don't want to know. 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:45.880 I don't have a fucking dog, and I don't need 1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:46.559 a dog door. 1:24:46.960 --> 1:24:49.240 What I need is a picture of a dog that 1:24:49.400 --> 1:24:51.600 lives on the blockchain that's on my phone that I 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:54.200 have most of my savings invested in collection. 1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:56.599 The dog simulacorus section. 1:24:56.800 --> 1:24:59.960 Yeah, yes, it takes all kinds. I don't it's a 1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:03.360 big market. Oh my god, yeah, it's there's supposed to 1:25:03.360 --> 1:25:05.519 be a holographic fish tank here. One of my colleagues 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:08.680 what what Okay, what the fuck? I'm actually trying to 1:25:08.760 --> 1:25:12.000 find me. I don't know, but my colleagues said, we 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:14.320 were trying to look for weird tech. We've actually been 1:25:14.360 --> 1:25:17.439 on the Lund and we said there's a holographic fish tank. 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:19.680 And I said, I'm in apparently. 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:22.479 Tech. How did it take you this long to bring 1:25:22.560 --> 1:25:24.360 it up? I've been, I've been. I want other people 1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:26.760 to talk all the fish let me tell you. I 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:27.240 don't know. 1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:31.800 I want there to be I want to believe it's 1:25:31.840 --> 1:25:32.400 in the web. 1:25:32.240 --> 1:25:36.240 Three airing holographic as a holographic fish my. 1:25:36.439 --> 1:25:39.479 Left fish in the tank. I don't know what it is, 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:41.519 but I do think so. 1:25:41.760 --> 1:25:41.840 All. 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:43.400 The other thing is that last night we're talking about 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:44.880 weird tech. Tieth thing the people had said to me 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:47.280 caught the robe and I didn't see it. This doesn't 1:25:47.280 --> 1:25:50.280 sound that weird. It was a vibrating knife. Oh I 1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:54.120 saw the knife, Yeah, ultrasonic. 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:57.760 It was apparently a knife you just like lightly hold 1:25:58.000 --> 1:26:00.360 ultrasonic call over to the vegetable or whatever you're trying 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:03.360 to cut, just and then just like like barely any pressure, 1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:04.280 it just goes right through. 1:26:04.680 --> 1:26:06.479 It just wasn't visually appealing enough. 1:26:06.600 --> 1:26:08.880 Now I saw a knife that I skipped and I 1:26:08.920 --> 1:26:10.920 thought it already existed because I don't cover that beat. 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:13.160 And I was like, it's probably the same vibrating knife 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:15.120 that they had last year with a new feature. 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:18.280 Tell me one, right, isn't this a thing? 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:21.240 Or like William Gibson novels. Yeah, I feel like there's like. 1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:25.360 When I when I'm thinking of tech, I want I'm 1:26:25.400 --> 1:26:26.519 reading William Gibson. 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:28.320 Maybe it was a. 1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:30.320 Section. 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:34.559 So you're telling me you've created it. That's really interesting 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:37.880 that this iron sprawl, it's so good. 1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:40.880 It's so good that I'm obsessed with this holographic fish tank. 1:26:40.920 --> 1:26:41.439 I'm anna fuck. 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:43.280 I know, can we put on an ap B and 1:26:43.320 --> 1:26:45.559 to say if you are making a geographic fish tank, 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:46.280 where it is? 1:26:46.320 --> 1:26:48.000 I know anybody was getting your ass for not bringing 1:26:48.040 --> 1:26:48.200 it up. 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:50.040 I think it's very ethical that if you yourself have 1:26:50.160 --> 1:26:53.599 not seen a holographic fish tank, you would sound weird 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:55.520 if you were like I've heard tell of the holographic 1:26:55.600 --> 1:27:00.320 fish tank, know that you saw it, Like to get 1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:03.120 a description of it, I need to know I exactly, 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:04.799 I need to see it myself. 1:27:05.160 --> 1:27:07.360 But but then the other thing I saw there on 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:09.679 the floor that thought but apparently it already existed because 1:27:09.920 --> 1:27:12.160 I'm not looking at massage chair tech. But there was 1:27:12.240 --> 1:27:14.679 someone sitting in one of those giant moving massage chairs 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:16.640 that was like it look they looked like a transformer, 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:18.680 like they lifted on an arm and the arm was 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:21.360 coming with them and the leg was moving with them. 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:23.200 But then I brought that up to people and they 1:27:23.240 --> 1:27:25.160 were like, that's already been here, and I was like, okay, 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:26.240 well that interested me. 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:33.719 The man it was called the Best Massage Body's Friend 1:27:33.840 --> 1:27:34.280 or something like that. 1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:36.840 They were just moving, but it was like it was 1:27:36.920 --> 1:27:38.880 like you almost like you couldn't escape. It was like 1:27:38.960 --> 1:27:41.519 the as they were moving, the chair pieces would move 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:43.840 still with their arms. And I saw that. I was 1:27:43.920 --> 1:27:47.280 like that, that's interesting, cyber Sofa. 1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:51.679 I love the massage chairs. It's the greatest scam at CS. 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:54.400 Every song we run it, someone's like I just got 1:27:54.520 --> 1:27:57.360 best deal on the massage chairs, Like no, you did not, Yeah, 1:27:57.400 --> 1:27:59.240 you just got scam. No, it's like if you don't 1:27:59.240 --> 1:28:01.720 heard about the scam, No I haven't. So they have 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:04.200 these lines of massage chairs and they're like, i'll give you, 1:28:04.200 --> 1:28:06.799 I'll cut your special deal. They're not cutting you a specially. 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:07.720 Yes, they see. 1:28:07.800 --> 1:28:08.000 Yes. 1:28:08.120 --> 1:28:09.240 If you walk around the main. 1:28:09.160 --> 1:28:11.240 Convention center, there's usually very you know that they're even 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:13.479 trying to sell them. There's a very sad section where 1:28:13.520 --> 1:28:15.360 you see like the cs, like the guys who have 1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:19.240 been here twenty five since it was called the Comdex, 1:28:19.840 --> 1:28:22.120 Like the people have been here forever, and they're sitting 1:28:22.160 --> 1:28:24.400 in this chair just like fucking, just like fucking just 1:28:24.479 --> 1:28:26.280 the only only time I get away from my wife 1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:28.479 and kids. Just just sit in the fucking chair all day. 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:31.120 I sell software, man, I just want to die, and 1:28:31.240 --> 1:28:33.040 they just sit in these chairs. But those people are 1:28:33.080 --> 1:28:34.800 not buying them. They just know you can scam, but 1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:36.800 no you will. I every few years I run and 1:28:36.840 --> 1:28:38.360 someone's like, I just got the best deal. It's like 1:28:38.400 --> 1:28:40.559 I paid seven thousand dollars for two chairs and like, yeah, 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:43.160 the RP is one thousand dollars each. You've got fucking scam. 1:28:43.400 --> 1:28:46.800 It's like it's Ali Barba chair situation that massages you. 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:48.720 I did not know this is going on. 1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:51.600 It's it's a you know what, it's part of the 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:54.680 Vegas experience, being like swindled by I mean I do 1:28:54.880 --> 1:28:55.479 know that a lot. 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:56.840 I don't want to say a lot. 1:28:56.880 --> 1:28:58.800 But there are companies that show up and like you 1:28:58.880 --> 1:29:00.439 could see on like the bad or do they have 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:02.920 around their booth? They go like, oh, ask us about 1:29:02.960 --> 1:29:07.000 our ces only special? Yeah whatever, And I mean I'm 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:09.400 here as media, so I would never spend any money 1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:12.280 like that, but I mean it always seems like is 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:14.519 it is it really the best deal? Yeah? 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:17.200 You were in less fucking Vegas. You think you're getting 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:17.679 a deal. 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:20.000 Here, you're getting dealt I A still like the idea 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:22.439 of your walking through the like air purifire section where 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:25.599 there's fifty identical products and being like this is the one, 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:27.920 like do you can? I? Do you take venmo? 1:29:28.120 --> 1:29:28.280 I do? 1:29:28.560 --> 1:29:30.599 Like It's just like one year I had a bit 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:32.400 where I just lifted up stuff and asked if I 1:29:32.400 --> 1:29:35.360 could have him and they really didn't like that, Like 1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:36.559 especially with the TVs. 1:29:37.080 --> 1:29:38.320 I just like, lift up, can I have this? 1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:43.280 And they looked at me, pausmon, No, it's just like, no, sugar, 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:44.240 Yeah they don't. 1:29:44.240 --> 1:29:44.559 They don't. 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:46.599 It wasn't bolted down, No exactly. 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:48.880 I'm pretty sure they do now. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:51.080 what the fuck was I gonna do? You think there's 1:29:51.120 --> 1:29:54.160 gonna be a guy's like running away with the TV 1:29:54.360 --> 1:29:55.680 making your escape through this. 1:29:56.080 --> 1:29:57.479 Yeah, if you can get out the door, you can 1:29:57.560 --> 1:30:00.840 keepe it. That should be the rule, se they should. 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:03.599 Is there swag? Is there any swag you saw? 1:30:04.360 --> 1:30:06.400 I mean on the show floor? 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:08.760 Usually not, but a lot of these companies when they 1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:12.840 see media, they want to especially the smaller like startups. 1:30:12.720 --> 1:30:15.840 They want you want to give out review it like this, 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:18.120 so they'll they'll just like they'll come back later and 1:30:18.600 --> 1:30:19.600 there's a thing for you. 1:30:20.040 --> 1:30:21.720 Don't think kind of an or to me. No one 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:24.920 ever off me anything like that, so you can't have this. 1:30:25.280 --> 1:30:26.880 The thing I noticed this year though, and this happened 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:28.840 to me a few times, was they almost seem more 1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:33.880 interested in content creators now than like like like somebody 1:30:34.240 --> 1:30:35.519 you said to me like, oh, what do you do? 1:30:35.600 --> 1:30:36.880 And I was like, oh, I'm a reporter for and 1:30:36.920 --> 1:30:38.680 they were like where are you based out of? And 1:30:38.760 --> 1:30:40.000 I was like New York and like, oh, maybe you 1:30:40.040 --> 1:30:42.240 could be our content creator from New York and. 1:30:42.320 --> 1:30:44.200 I was like, well, I'm I just said I'm a 1:30:45.479 --> 1:30:45.960 real job. 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:50.000 So yeah, cretill you see that at like yeah, at 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:52.400 all the conferences where it's like there's there's been two 1:30:52.400 --> 1:30:54.840 different tracks, but also like a lot of stuff, I 1:30:54.920 --> 1:30:58.800 feel like tech companies have clearly been pushing that that 1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:02.519 focus to like the content creator influencer path. I mean 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:05.120 a lot of it overlaps, but like it's a very 1:31:05.200 --> 1:31:08.160 different track. And then they're like that's the primary just 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:09.479 mean a guy, they just. 1:31:09.560 --> 1:31:11.240 Mean spawn calling without the spawn. 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:13.360 Yeah, that there's probably a lot of that of like 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:15.599 people that like are on TikTok right, like check out 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:16.840 all these crazy things I saw. 1:31:16.840 --> 1:31:18.439 Right right, they just want to listen to video. 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:20.240 And the thing is I love getting free shit, but 1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:23.080 I'm not I'm not changing my opinion. Oh right, of course, 1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:23.840 that's the thing. 1:31:23.920 --> 1:31:26.320 It's you know, you want to review. 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:28.280 I'm happy to review if I'm interested in the product 1:31:28.320 --> 1:31:31.200 and I think it's interesting or cool. But if it 1:31:31.439 --> 1:31:34.400 doesn't work or something's wrong or there are negatives, I'm 1:31:34.439 --> 1:31:35.040 going to be truthful. 1:31:35.080 --> 1:31:36.400 But it just like I'll be truthful if I think 1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:37.439 it's cool and works. 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:38.400 You know. 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:40.800 One interesting thing was one company actually said to me 1:31:41.240 --> 1:31:42.560 like when they asked where I you know what my 1:31:42.640 --> 1:31:44.800 outlet was, and I said Mashable and they were like, oh, 1:31:44.920 --> 1:31:47.280 what's the social media for it? And I was like, oh, 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:50.360 it's a website, mashable dot com. And they immediately pulled 1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:52.800 up their YouTube app on their phone. It was like, 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:57.800 let me see how many subscribers YouTube. And then they 1:31:57.880 --> 1:32:02.640 saw it and they were like, oh okay, So like 1:32:02.760 --> 1:32:05.280 that's that's the example. I'm like, what we're dealing with 1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:07.560 now in terms of like content creators mean more of 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:11.360 these companies now then then actual outlets. They didn't even 1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:14.120 respond to the website. They didn't even bring up their 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:15.800 safari And when Mashable. 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:17.320 It always makes me sad when people say like, oh, 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:19.880 I've seen your it's nice. Oh I've seen all your videos. 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:22.240 But I'm like, do you read any I write articles? 1:32:22.479 --> 1:32:26.320 And they're just like, huh, don't let's get that what 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:28.040 you just said. I don't want to hear that part. 1:32:28.400 --> 1:32:30.160 So as we come to the end of this day, 1:32:30.280 --> 1:32:32.400 I'm going to say, Matt Benda, you've been joining us 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:32.960 from Mashable. 1:32:33.000 --> 1:32:34.240 Of course, thank you for being here. 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:37.519 Always a pleasure, and of course Scott Steins and saw Hey, 1:32:37.600 --> 1:32:39.640 thank you, thank you for being here, and David Roll 1:32:39.680 --> 1:32:41.479 from DEFECTI you're gonna be here for a couple more, 1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:44.840 six more and this and this next ad is just 1:32:44.960 --> 1:32:51.240 for Birds's just try them today, birds. Whatever comes next, 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:52.320 I think it's for birds. 1:33:04.000 --> 1:33:04.600 Welcome back to. 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:07.120 The Better Offline CS experience and of course your host 1:33:07.280 --> 1:33:09.240 ed Zichron. And now I'm joined by of course David 1:33:09.320 --> 1:33:13.240 Roth DEFECTA Hello, Edward Ngueiso Junior, the Tech Bubble Newsletter, Hello, 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:16.719 and at Lisa ed Ajico of CNN, thanks for joining. 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:18.240 Us, Lisa, of course, thanks for having me. 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:22.840 So you saw a trifold Samsung Galaxy phone and the 1:33:23.000 --> 1:33:25.519 listeners got mad at me last time for being excited 1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:26.200 about something. 1:33:26.680 --> 1:33:27.120 What do you know? 1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:29.880 Picks one? What one for me? But yeah, so you've 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:30.679 seen the trifold. 1:33:30.800 --> 1:33:31.360 What was it like? 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.200 It was really cool, but I think my biggest criticism 1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:38.760 of it was that it didn't really provide a compelling 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:41.440 reason to want this bigger screen. 1:33:41.200 --> 1:33:42.960 That folds up and fits into your pocket. 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:45.080 It's really cool when you hold it like you open 1:33:45.160 --> 1:33:47.719 it up, kind of like a brochure or a pamphlet. 1:33:47.840 --> 1:33:49.479 It you know, has two folds. 1:33:49.520 --> 1:33:52.400 Who open it, it folds into threes, right, and then 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:56.080 when it's open it's a really slim tablet. But then 1:33:56.439 --> 1:33:58.960 it's just you know, it kind of feels like the 1:33:59.120 --> 1:34:01.720 Fold Plus in a way, like I feel like you 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:04.559 can get a similar experience with the Z fold, which 1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:07.519 already exists. So that said, I only had a few 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:07.960 minutes with it. 1:34:08.560 --> 1:34:09.800 Was it though, like? How many? 1:34:10.040 --> 1:34:10.160 How? 1:34:10.360 --> 1:34:11.800 What was it like? Ten inches? I guess that. 1:34:12.160 --> 1:34:14.200 Yeah, so it's ten inches, so it's more like the 1:34:14.360 --> 1:34:17.840 size of an iPad when it's open, slightly smaller than 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:21.080 like an iPad air. And then the Z fold is 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:24.120 more closer to the size of like an iPad Mini when. 1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:25.599 It's open, So that's kind of the difference. 1:34:26.600 --> 1:34:30.360 And then when it's closed, it's I think around I 1:34:30.400 --> 1:34:32.439 think the screen is six point five inches. I would 1:34:32.439 --> 1:34:34.280 have to double check that, but you know the size 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:37.479 of a Plus phone or a Promax phone whatever. 1:34:37.640 --> 1:34:40.320 Did they give you a price, No, they didn't say pricing. 1:34:40.160 --> 1:34:42.920 Yet that thing's would be to and off grand It's good. 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:44.120 Yeah, it's gonna be a lot. 1:34:44.160 --> 1:34:46.439 I mean those Z fold sevens already like two thousand 1:34:46.479 --> 1:34:47.160 dollars really, so. 1:34:47.479 --> 1:34:49.559 Yeah, I can't be mad. 1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:51.519 See, this is the thing, this is my weak point. 1:34:51.560 --> 1:34:53.800 I'm going to get so many hemause people people got 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:56.840 so Legitimately, people got really upset at me when Lisa 1:34:56.960 --> 1:34:57.960 was on because I was. 1:34:57.960 --> 1:34:59.640 Like, I like the idea, and then like you need 1:34:59.680 --> 1:35:03.160 to hide everything. I'm full of joy I sometimes they 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:04.760 won't allow me. 1:35:05.200 --> 1:35:08.719 They won't to have his screen time, takes it away 1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:11.080 from you, make me read more books. 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:14.040 No, it's but I kind of like that they're doing something, 1:35:14.320 --> 1:35:16.680 Like I love the idea of a giant foldable. 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:18.120 I'm a freak, I guess. 1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:20.559 But it's like, it's sad they haven't When you say 1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:23.800 it isn't like they haven't thought through why you'd need it. 1:35:23.880 --> 1:35:24.839 What do you mean exactly? 1:35:25.479 --> 1:35:28.680 I was kind of hoping that the software would do 1:35:28.840 --> 1:35:32.439 something a little different and interesting. But that said, to 1:35:32.560 --> 1:35:35.679 your point, I'm happy that Samsung is doing something because 1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:39.719 they have been showing these concepts for years, different kinds 1:35:39.720 --> 1:35:42.800 of foldables that fold in funky, weird ways, and they 1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:45.120 keep saying, yeah, we're working on something, we're working on something, 1:35:45.160 --> 1:35:47.560 and then we just had no idea if any of 1:35:47.640 --> 1:35:50.519 those concepts would actually ever come to fruition. So I'm 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:53.120 glad to see that they're experimenting and they're still doing that. 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:56.880 But to me, my immediate reaction was like, oh, wow, 1:35:56.920 --> 1:36:00.479 this is really cool. But it doesn't it feels almost 1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:02.920 like the Fold did a couple of years ago when 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:06.320 it's closed, because it's kind of thick, right, So it 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:08.519 just didn't feel as different as I thought it would, 1:36:08.560 --> 1:36:10.360 I guess. And I think part of that is because 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:12.840 when you open it, it's like you have the bigger 1:36:12.920 --> 1:36:14.280 screen or the front screen. 1:36:14.360 --> 1:36:16.040 You don't have the in between, and that's kind of 1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:17.560 what do you mean by that? 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:20.680 So I think, and I'd have to double check, but 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:23.280 I think it was either some of Samsung's concepts or 1:36:23.439 --> 1:36:26.200 like maybe the Huawei phone, like you can kind of 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:31.040 use the different panels as like their own individual screens. 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:33.080 Like oh yes, you have different apps on them. 1:36:33.240 --> 1:36:35.320 Yeah, like almost have like three screens in one, and 1:36:35.439 --> 1:36:38.040 like this doesn't really do that. It just has like 1:36:38.240 --> 1:36:40.840 the open state where it's a tablet and then the 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:43.960 closed state where it's a phone, which is still useful, 1:36:44.200 --> 1:36:45.200 but it doesn't. 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:47.080 Feel that differ Grande. 1:36:47.640 --> 1:36:49.920 Yeah, And the one thing that I thought was was 1:36:50.000 --> 1:36:52.200 interesting that Samsung is kind of thinking of is this 1:36:52.479 --> 1:36:54.560 being not just like a phone and a tablet, but 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:57.960 maybe a phone a tablet and also like a mini 1:36:58.360 --> 1:37:00.600 PC if you like cook it up with like Bluetooth 1:37:00.760 --> 1:37:03.640 keyboard and mens or whatever. Yeah, they're still trying that, 1:37:04.960 --> 1:37:08.519 but yeah, I don't know, it's interesting, but I feel 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:11.759 like the this thing is probably going to be expensive, 1:37:11.800 --> 1:37:14.080 so the use case has to be really compelling, and 1:37:15.560 --> 1:37:18.200 their z fold phones are only just starting to take 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:20.200 off a little bit, so I feel like it's you know, 1:37:20.280 --> 1:37:21.840 it's going to be a long road ahead for something 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:25.200 like this, but I'm glad they're doing it at something. 1:37:25.479 --> 1:37:25.719 Yeah. 1:37:26.240 --> 1:37:28.200 Yeah, I feel like there's like we're already like the 1:37:28.280 --> 1:37:31.760 show hasn't officially started yet, and just from the three 1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:34.080 episodes that I've been on, everybody so like, well, you 1:37:34.120 --> 1:37:36.519 know what, Like obviously I would never use this, and 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:38.240 I don't think that'll ever really get made, but I 1:37:38.320 --> 1:37:41.200 really appreciate that they're rolling the dice and having fun 1:37:41.280 --> 1:37:44.439 out there, and it does feel like that's what it is. 1:37:44.560 --> 1:37:46.840 And so like what you're describing is like this was 1:37:46.880 --> 1:37:49.479 something that you know, as somebody who doesn't generally follow 1:37:49.520 --> 1:37:51.640 this like part of the fun of it for me 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:55.600 last year was like legitimate idiot awe at sort of 1:37:55.920 --> 1:37:58.360 like the fuck it, we're doing five blades stuff where 1:37:58.360 --> 1:37:59.720 they're just like we figured out how to do. 1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:02.679 Like the TV is so good that you couldn't actually 1:38:02.720 --> 1:38:03.559 watch anything on it. 1:38:06.600 --> 1:38:08.479 But it's like fine, at least they're doing something it's 1:38:08.520 --> 1:38:11.439 better than them, just sort of like spackling some you know, 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:14.880 notional AI modality over it and being like a it's 1:38:14.920 --> 1:38:17.200 gonna make friends for you while you sit at home. 1:38:17.640 --> 1:38:21.880 I did see they have added nano banana to televisions now, and. 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:23.599 I feel like you are thrilled to hear you say. 1:38:28.280 --> 1:38:30.679 I hate saying nano banana. I think it's a fucking 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.360 terrible name. I think who ever came up with the 1:38:33.400 --> 1:38:34.320 name should be electrocute. 1:38:35.200 --> 1:38:37.160 Do you share a stupid accent thing that I heard 1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:39.120 on the plane lift? It means a guy behind me, 1:38:39.160 --> 1:38:42.400 an Australian guy ordered sprite with ice in an Australian accent. 1:38:43.439 --> 1:38:45.840 Just something to think about what that might sound like. 1:38:47.600 --> 1:38:50.320 Do you wonder anyone Australian If you're an Australian, listen, 1:38:50.320 --> 1:38:51.800 then please record. 1:38:54.320 --> 1:38:55.519 Get to record it. 1:38:55.720 --> 1:38:57.880 It's like just email me easy at Better Offline dot com. 1:38:57.920 --> 1:39:01.000 If you record yourself as an Australian saying it, if 1:39:01.080 --> 1:39:01.799 you ask. 1:39:01.720 --> 1:39:05.640 My Australian friends from yeah, let's not let's get the 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:08.639 Australian is the one thing that people love. 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:10.920 It's being like, your voices are fucked up? You mind 1:39:10.960 --> 1:39:11.959 saying a few freezes? 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:14.840 Yeah I know nothing about that happened to me when 1:39:14.880 --> 1:39:17.439 I was on vacation in Ireland like last year, Like 1:39:17.560 --> 1:39:19.439 a cashier at a convenience store was like can you 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:19.760 say this? 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:22.639 And I was like why, you know, it's really bizarre. 1:39:23.479 --> 1:39:24.519 Yeah, this is my life. 1:39:25.000 --> 1:39:27.840 This is my life is people people turning to me 1:39:27.920 --> 1:39:29.879 and saying I can't help myself. 1:39:29.920 --> 1:39:31.479 I have to do my accent if. 1:39:31.439 --> 1:39:32.479 You can help yourself. 1:39:33.280 --> 1:39:35.640 No, if you've ever said this to me, you're a 1:39:35.760 --> 1:39:38.200 fucking liar. Oh I have a thing. No, you don't. 1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:41.599 You think your British accent is good and you want 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:44.080 me to tell you it's good. It's never good. It's 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:46.920 never been good. Stop going to be clear. This is 1:39:47.439 --> 1:39:50.439 no your British accent is funny. If you just to 1:39:50.479 --> 1:39:50.760 be clear. 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:53.160 If you're making fun of England, bully for you, I'm 1:39:53.240 --> 1:39:55.000 right there with you. I don't really have one. I 1:39:55.120 --> 1:39:57.880 just period be like what or like my exactly, like 1:39:57.960 --> 1:40:00.479 that's that's all I've got, And that's fine. I that too, 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:05.880 but it's just, yeah, sprite with ice. It doesn't sound 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:06.280 good when I. 1:40:06.280 --> 1:40:07.720 Say you want to give us a demonstration. 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:10.519 It was basically like sprite with boys. It wasn't. That 1:40:10.600 --> 1:40:12.360 wasn't that was British that it wasn't. 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:19.280 That's pretty good sprought with us. He was two. 1:40:19.400 --> 1:40:22.640 I was into CS coverage and this is this is 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:26.519 Gemini generate making sounds back and forth to each other. 1:40:26.600 --> 1:40:28.000 It's just pure whale song. 1:40:30.200 --> 1:40:32.560 But no, I like the idea that like someone is 1:40:32.680 --> 1:40:37.320 generating images on their TEP like what fucking freak did that? 1:40:37.439 --> 1:40:39.719 And was like, you know what, people wanted to generate 1:40:39.760 --> 1:40:42.920 an image? No, no, no one who's ever been I 1:40:42.920 --> 1:40:44.600 wish I could generate something on my. 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:47.400 Friends to this photo of me alone on the. 1:40:48.920 --> 1:40:51.120 Part of a lot of these tech companies have been 1:40:51.160 --> 1:40:53.680 trying to make TVs something that they're not for a 1:40:53.760 --> 1:40:55.840 long time, like trying to make them all these different 1:40:55.960 --> 1:40:58.880 types of ambient computers and whatever, and I feel like 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:02.760 that's just part of that effort, and CS is the 1:41:02.840 --> 1:41:03.519 hub of all of that. 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:05.439 I'm staying in the cap earlier. 1:41:05.479 --> 1:41:08.160 It's just like, at some point, it's fucking television, right. 1:41:08.200 --> 1:41:10.640 People just want a really nice scream. I think that 1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:11.439 they want to look at. 1:41:11.600 --> 1:41:13.000 There was the thing of like, oh, you won't have 1:41:13.040 --> 1:41:15.360 to plug devices into them. Now you can do Netflix 1:41:15.400 --> 1:41:17.320 on it. Great, okay, now you can play games. And 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:20.400 I saw someone announce you can do Xbox Gaming Game Pass, 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:22.400 which kind of make and that's I'm kind of like, fine, 1:41:22.439 --> 1:41:25.080 that makes sense streaming and now what and. 1:41:25.120 --> 1:41:27.360 They're like fucking banana. 1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:27.880 No, no, no, no. 1:41:27.920 --> 1:41:30.600 Now, when you get home drunk at night and the 1:41:30.680 --> 1:41:31.880 TV's a little too dim. 1:41:31.800 --> 1:41:41.560 You could go the GV Yeah, Gemini eleven, just like 1:41:41.720 --> 1:41:46.120 please Gemini Star Wars Picture nine eleven, Like just. 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:49.880 Like, just are you sure calling your mother? 1:41:50.080 --> 1:41:50.120 No? 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:53.360 Nope, you can't do that from a television though, you 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:57.280 actually can't. Like calling people are like Facebook, Facebook Portal 1:41:57.439 --> 1:41:59.920 is weirdly enough, like the only product that can reliably 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:00.320 do that. 1:42:01.360 --> 1:42:02.080 It's really weird. 1:42:02.160 --> 1:42:02.719 Is that true? 1:42:03.200 --> 1:42:05.920 It's really hard to find a television because honestly, a 1:42:06.000 --> 1:42:07.920 TV a TV with a camera, and it is bad. 1:42:08.439 --> 1:42:11.200 But at the same time, it's like a weirdly rare product. 1:42:11.479 --> 1:42:13.519 Weirdly enough, the Facebook portal is actually good. 1:42:13.960 --> 1:42:16.519 Because that's like one of the few products I actually 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:17.120 have never tried. 1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:19.200 Don't worry they killed it, yeah that much. I know 1:42:19.400 --> 1:42:21.280 They're like, no, no, no, no, no, we need to 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:24.479 you can't find your friends on Facebook? Oh, Facebook portal 1:42:24.680 --> 1:42:25.439 just to talk to your family? 1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:26.479 Not so fast? The fuck? 1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:29.680 You want some glasses? You want some glasses? They kind 1:42:29.720 --> 1:42:30.000 of work. 1:42:30.360 --> 1:42:32.439 What if it let you talk to a local restaurant? 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:34.759 It like has a lot of weirdly racist posts. 1:42:36.479 --> 1:42:42.920 Is that what you want? During Hey guys, what's my flood? 1:42:45.320 --> 1:42:47.320 It's just trying to get away from the core function 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:50.120 because there's not really many reasons to buy on u 1:42:50.160 --> 1:42:54.320 TV anymore, because I mean I have like a like, 1:42:54.400 --> 1:42:56.479 I'm an upgrade pig. I love upgrading my phone. I'll 1:42:56.479 --> 1:42:59.240 love the slightly faster, better experience. I'm not going to 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:01.680 upgrade my TV until it breaks. It's full k it's 1:43:01.840 --> 1:43:02.880 icg my two point one. 1:43:03.040 --> 1:43:05.120 I mean, people just want bigger TVs that look nice, 1:43:05.160 --> 1:43:07.519 that don't cost as much what everybody wants. 1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:10.759 I have a really big, like eighty five inch so Brava. 1:43:10.920 --> 1:43:13.800 Oh it was seventeen. It was seventeen hundred dollars six 1:43:13.920 --> 1:43:16.200 years ago, I think, And it's like, why would I 1:43:16.280 --> 1:43:16.639 am great? 1:43:16.840 --> 1:43:18.080 What possible reason? 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:20.439 And the TV companies are saying that's just been like 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:23.240 because there really isn't. It's like, oh, I can have 1:43:23.320 --> 1:43:25.559 Gemini on my TV a pyfrate not to. 1:43:25.560 --> 1:43:26.120 Be on the right. 1:43:27.160 --> 1:43:29.400 Also like funny to your point, like the way that 1:43:29.479 --> 1:43:32.320 this is like the the purpose of CES versus the 1:43:32.400 --> 1:43:36.400 purpose of like consumer entertainment as you like would consume it, 1:43:36.479 --> 1:43:38.559 or consumer electronics as you would consume it. It's basically 1:43:38.640 --> 1:43:41.200 like you want the good TV. But they they would 1:43:41.200 --> 1:43:43.680 be bored, and they probably sense that if you, as 1:43:43.720 --> 1:43:45.840 a CEES attendee, would be bored if they're just like 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:48.599 showing you a dope new TV that's showing a movie 1:43:48.640 --> 1:43:49.240 on it that's. 1:43:49.120 --> 1:43:51.200 Like, yeah, what if it had one key feature that 1:43:51.400 --> 1:43:52.639 worked thirty percent. 1:43:52.400 --> 1:43:55.240 Of Yeah, would that be new? Would that seem intriguing 1:43:55.280 --> 1:43:55.400 to you? 1:43:55.600 --> 1:43:55.760 Yeah? 1:43:55.800 --> 1:43:57.760 But that is one hundred percent, Like it feels like 1:43:57.880 --> 1:44:00.519 that is I don't know what percentage off here. 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:01.720 Yeah, but they even do. 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:03.960 They have a TV section, we're just showing you know, 1:44:04.080 --> 1:44:07.040 stuff great every like micro l ed or many. 1:44:07.120 --> 1:44:09.519 They have new stuff, and the TV's are thinner. There's 1:44:09.520 --> 1:44:10.960 a very thin year. 1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:12.600 I saw TVs you could bend, and I was like, 1:44:13.280 --> 1:44:14.720 I love that. 1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:18.160 I love spender, Like, what's going? 1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:19.360 I just get. 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:24.160 God, I got the betterble TV. Last night would have 1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:24.679 gone different. 1:44:24.920 --> 1:44:27.480 I was. I wanted to fight by television. 1:44:27.960 --> 1:44:36.040 We're marketing this exclusively to fans a bad NFL team, Cowboys. 1:44:36.080 --> 1:44:38.880 I'm a Cowboys fan. How many knights? If I wanted 1:44:38.920 --> 1:44:39.800 to break my TV? 1:44:40.080 --> 1:44:42.160 I'm a Raiders fan, I don't even turn it on. 1:44:43.360 --> 1:44:47.040 Probably there's just no needs. Oh they lost, and you 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:50.400 they were done after the second game. They won three 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:50.600 of the. 1:44:50.640 --> 1:44:52.800 Don't worry one day. We're gonna win a super Bowl each. 1:44:53.400 --> 1:44:56.240 Yeah. Yeah, I actually don't know which of us has 1:44:56.280 --> 1:44:56.960 the worst chance. 1:44:57.280 --> 1:44:59.599 You're probably not old enough to remember a Cowboys super 1:44:59.600 --> 1:45:00.240 Bowl winner, are you? 1:45:00.880 --> 1:45:00.920 No? 1:45:01.320 --> 1:45:06.439 That's well I am, and the worst guys in America 1:45:06.479 --> 1:45:09.800 are going to be celebrating right alongside you when it happens. Yeah, 1:45:10.040 --> 1:45:11.640 old enough to remember a Raider's super Bowl win, but 1:45:11.680 --> 1:45:12.800 I'm sure it'll be very nice. 1:45:13.080 --> 1:45:13.280 Yeah. 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:19.880 I'll get Gemini to generate It's sorry, I can't do that. 1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:27.560 It's too unrealistic. Yeah, reality chat, you're trying to spread misinformation. 1:45:27.600 --> 1:45:28.320 They would never win. 1:45:28.520 --> 1:45:32.280 Yeah, it's And the thing is is, I don't I 1:45:33.240 --> 1:45:35.120 can think of ways my life could be like the 1:45:35.200 --> 1:45:37.320 laundry bot we were talking about last time. All of 1:45:37.360 --> 1:45:39.519 those fall down because it's like the actual way that 1:45:39.560 --> 1:45:42.439 people experience laundry is a large pile of stuff. Like 1:45:42.560 --> 1:45:44.560 it's just like I the sock is in within the 1:45:44.640 --> 1:45:48.400 katamari of ship that I've left for too long. I 1:45:48.479 --> 1:45:50.439 want to be able to chuck the katamari into a 1:45:50.720 --> 1:45:53.919 box and then laundry comes out. There are also services 1:45:53.960 --> 1:45:55.680 that do that. You can do there's washing folds in 1:45:55.720 --> 1:45:58.400 New York. It's kind of like could do that. It's like, 1:45:58.600 --> 1:46:00.439 or you could spend five thousand dollars and something that 1:46:00.479 --> 1:46:02.760 I assume you need to like neatly thread the thing into. 1:46:03.320 --> 1:46:06.679 And the TV problem is a lot of things look weird, 1:46:06.800 --> 1:46:10.599 like you to customize like different situations like sports games 1:46:10.640 --> 1:46:14.280 look different to movies and such. TV don't seem to 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:16.280 be trying to fix that, like the fact that every 1:46:16.360 --> 1:46:17.519 show is incredibly dark. 1:46:17.600 --> 1:46:20.280 Now that's what they should be using AI honestly, Yeah. 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:22.799 No, no, no, no, no, no, do you need no banana, 1:46:24.880 --> 1:46:30.479 you need television freaking nine to eleven. You need to 1:46:30.479 --> 1:46:32.320 look better, you want stranger things to look good. 1:46:32.360 --> 1:46:32.720 Fuck you? 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:37.479 Yeah there, Yeah, seriously, he was kind of spitting there for. 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:42.160 I'll be rapping by the end of this show. Did 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:44.960 you see anything? What else have you seen the show other. 1:46:44.880 --> 1:46:49.280 Than yeah, so here other than the phone? Lots of robots. 1:46:49.320 --> 1:46:51.599 I would say, that's always a big kind of robots. 1:46:52.520 --> 1:46:55.760 One that plays chess, and it's like absurdly expensive. 1:46:56.120 --> 1:46:58.120 How much was it did you find out? I you 1:46:58.200 --> 1:46:59.400 know what, I I forget. 1:46:59.439 --> 1:47:01.000 I remember being like, wow, that's a lot. 1:47:01.160 --> 1:47:03.599 It was kind of something I saw on I don't 1:47:03.640 --> 1:47:05.360 know if it was thousands, but it was something that 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:08.080 was marketed as like, hey, buy this if you like 1:47:08.520 --> 1:47:10.400 really love to play chess but you don't have anyone 1:47:10.479 --> 1:47:12.160 to play with, or you want your kid to learn 1:47:12.200 --> 1:47:13.280 how to play chess or. 1:47:13.320 --> 1:47:15.840 Something you don't want to use any of the computer chests, right. 1:47:15.800 --> 1:47:18.519 Exactly, Like there's a whole Yeah, I think that this 1:47:18.880 --> 1:47:20.560 that again is like another one of those kind of 1:47:20.600 --> 1:47:22.240 class right. 1:47:22.320 --> 1:47:22.920 That's the other thing. 1:47:23.000 --> 1:47:26.120 Another thing I saw was a robot or it's really 1:47:26.200 --> 1:47:28.160 just more of a machine that sits under countertop. But 1:47:28.320 --> 1:47:31.200 you know, everything is a robot at ces that can 1:47:31.600 --> 1:47:33.719 cook for you if you like, almost like a carrig 1:47:33.880 --> 1:47:35.960 for food, where you put ingredients in and it. 1:47:36.080 --> 1:47:40.719 Knows extrude temperature stew. 1:47:41.120 --> 1:47:49.040 Like, yeah, it was a lot of things where it's 1:47:49.120 --> 1:47:51.760 just like, Okay, nobody wants to do anything, but none 1:47:51.800 --> 1:47:53.160 of these alternatives seem right. 1:47:53.240 --> 1:47:56.320 But it's like like more degrading than any of the 1:47:56.400 --> 1:47:59.599 other options, Like like I don't want to call someone 1:48:00.080 --> 1:48:02.439 them deliver something to my home. I'm just going to 1:48:02.520 --> 1:48:04.960 stuff a bunch of celery into this hole and see 1:48:04.960 --> 1:48:05.559 what happens. 1:48:05.840 --> 1:48:09.519 It's like really dark and maybe I'm oversimplifying it again. 1:48:09.560 --> 1:48:12.040 This is like me just walking around Cees unveiled last 1:48:12.120 --> 1:48:14.000 night and being like, oh, there's a lot of people 1:48:14.040 --> 1:48:16.240 at this station, so let me see what everyone's looking at. 1:48:16.800 --> 1:48:19.200 And yeah, that was just like the impression that I 1:48:19.240 --> 1:48:21.720 got though. It seems similar to like a carrig but 1:48:21.840 --> 1:48:23.880 for food, like you put the ingredients in, it knows 1:48:23.960 --> 1:48:25.280 the recipes. 1:48:24.840 --> 1:48:25.439 Or whatever, and. 1:48:27.439 --> 1:48:29.280 Yeah, I don't know, it was it was really bizarre. 1:48:29.479 --> 1:48:33.160 But but how does like how does the food get 1:48:33.200 --> 1:48:34.799 in that? Do you just throw a bunch of carrots. 1:48:35.120 --> 1:48:37.320 Yeah, you have ingredients that you like put in and 1:48:37.439 --> 1:48:39.840 it knows what the ingredients are and it has recipes 1:48:39.960 --> 1:48:40.439 or something. 1:48:43.560 --> 1:48:44.880 Now it's like you see commercials for it. 1:48:45.360 --> 1:48:46.600 Yeah, I've used it. 1:48:46.680 --> 1:48:47.479 It's not it's not bad. 1:48:49.080 --> 1:48:49.679 It's not bad. 1:48:50.840 --> 1:48:52.920 Is it like Okay I put the ingredients in their nose? 1:48:53.000 --> 1:48:54.519 Or you got to sit there being like okay I 1:48:54.600 --> 1:48:56.519 put in a sealery I put it. 1:48:56.720 --> 1:48:59.000 No, no, no, there's like a there's like recipe packs 1:48:59.040 --> 1:49:01.360 and stuff, something like the recipe book or something. 1:49:01.439 --> 1:49:03.680 Again, I am like probably watching the details. 1:49:05.960 --> 1:49:06.080 Like that. 1:49:06.800 --> 1:49:07.320 That's a question. 1:49:07.479 --> 1:49:09.000 I'm the guy that was initially like, well you just 1:49:09.360 --> 1:49:12.000 put carrots in it. What you're seeing makes a lot 1:49:12.080 --> 1:49:13.559 more sense than what was just coming out. 1:49:13.439 --> 1:49:15.680 Of the mount. Also, there are startups out there that 1:49:15.760 --> 1:49:18.200 would do yeah, you put a carroing in there. 1:49:18.800 --> 1:49:25.040 I like the Samsung fridge though with Gemini and it. 1:49:25.120 --> 1:49:27.080 I did see that earlier Gemini. 1:49:26.840 --> 1:49:28.960 Fridge where it's like I haven't seen that. It's so good. 1:49:29.000 --> 1:49:31.240 You read the product demonstration thing and it's like, yeah, 1:49:31.320 --> 1:49:33.240 you can use your voice to open and close the door. 1:49:33.280 --> 1:49:37.840 It's like, okay, just you've never opened a fridge like 1:49:38.040 --> 1:49:40.040 it's like, finally a way to open the fridge. 1:49:40.120 --> 1:49:41.559 That's not the problem that needs solving. 1:49:42.800 --> 1:49:45.000 Their argument is like a, well, it's also been around it, 1:49:45.080 --> 1:49:48.040 like not like the voice element, but like didn't LG 1:49:48.280 --> 1:49:50.639 haven't they been showing fridges for years that have motion 1:49:50.800 --> 1:49:51.879 sensors if your hands. 1:49:52.479 --> 1:49:53.760 Like one of those things where it's like as an 1:49:53.800 --> 1:49:56.360 accessibility technology, it's probably existed for a long time, and 1:49:56.439 --> 1:49:58.280 now they're just sort of like people are forgetting how 1:49:58.320 --> 1:50:00.559 to open the fridge. It's one of the big problems 1:50:00.560 --> 1:50:02.320 face society. 1:50:04.240 --> 1:50:04.559 At home. 1:50:04.680 --> 1:50:09.080 Just imagine if we had a screen on the fridge 1:50:09.200 --> 1:50:10.720 that you could talk to and it would tell you 1:50:10.800 --> 1:50:12.000 what's inside, you don't. 1:50:11.840 --> 1:50:15.439 Ever have to I love I think you should leave 1:50:15.479 --> 1:50:20.000 like what exactly, I don't know what any of the exactly. 1:50:23.200 --> 1:50:24.200 I don't know what I'm doing. 1:50:24.760 --> 1:50:26.920 I do love the ones where it's like we will 1:50:27.000 --> 1:50:29.200 find we use AI to tell you what's in your fridge. 1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:32.120 It's like fun, I had no idea something else I'll 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:32.360 do that. 1:50:33.479 --> 1:50:34.120 No, I was gonna say. 1:50:34.160 --> 1:50:36.479 There are so many times when I overby because I'm 1:50:36.479 --> 1:50:38.320 at the store and I'm like, I'm probably low on this, 1:50:38.479 --> 1:50:40.120 but I don't know, so I do feel like that 1:50:40.200 --> 1:50:41.120 could be actually. 1:50:41.120 --> 1:50:43.840 Yeah, but like you send you're going to save five 1:50:44.000 --> 1:50:45.440 dollars on carrots. 1:50:45.160 --> 1:50:47.320 Then but then you end up with so many carrots 1:50:47.360 --> 1:50:49.880 and you're like, oh man, I bought too many carrots again. 1:50:50.160 --> 1:50:52.360 I have to feed them the thing that I keep 1:50:52.439 --> 1:50:54.599 on my counter that turns me into crembrew let. 1:50:54.520 --> 1:50:58.439 Somehow I love. 1:51:00.240 --> 1:51:02.599 That. Really, it does feel like there's a certain degree though, 1:51:02.640 --> 1:51:05.320 of just that they're like, what are human concerns? Well, 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:09.120 there's poverty, and there's a living situation, and there's healthcare. 1:51:09.840 --> 1:51:12.599 Hmm, No, that's just how do you open a fridge? 1:51:12.840 --> 1:51:13.759 Would you like a butler? 1:51:14.000 --> 1:51:16.559 What is in fridge? Would you like a butler? 1:51:16.760 --> 1:51:19.519 Okay, so someone someone that can clean up for me 1:51:19.840 --> 1:51:21.040 and someone could do my laundry. 1:51:21.439 --> 1:51:24.280 Oh oh no, no, we can't do that. 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:32.600 What if nano banana? All roads lead to Gemini? And 1:51:32.680 --> 1:51:35.640 it's just like I'm just I'm really looking forward to 1:51:35.720 --> 1:51:37.960 seeing deep into the depths of this show and just 1:51:38.000 --> 1:51:41.280 being like, what what reason have you come up with? 1:51:41.439 --> 1:51:45.040 Like last year, I remember there was this air purifier 1:51:45.280 --> 1:51:48.120 with a big spike underneath him, and I walked up 1:51:48.120 --> 1:51:51.120 to the person. I'm like, what's with the spike and 1:51:51.479 --> 1:51:54.120 they took a second to register because no one had 1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:56.479 spoken to them in that manner, and they're like, oh, no, 1:51:56.560 --> 1:51:57.240 it's really obvious. 1:51:57.280 --> 1:52:01.560 I'm like sure, no, you'll never believe this. It's it's like, no, 1:52:01.680 --> 1:52:04.360 it's for dogs, Like what yeah, it was like it 1:52:04.479 --> 1:52:05.080 was a hair thing. 1:52:05.400 --> 1:52:07.200 I remember it was. 1:52:07.560 --> 1:52:10.599 It was an air purified well the dog and then 1:52:10.680 --> 1:52:13.400 they pust one or a cat could use it to 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:14.360 scratch themselves. 1:52:15.840 --> 1:52:19.400 Am I just like do you have a dog? 1:52:19.800 --> 1:52:24.920 Like no, I'm like great, because well I don't know 1:52:25.240 --> 1:52:27.920 when like a dog's just walking around looking for places 1:52:27.960 --> 1:52:28.360 to scrap. 1:52:29.920 --> 1:52:32.280 Like it's just like someone who one time had their 1:52:32.400 --> 1:52:36.000 cat or dog go on the air purify're like wha 1:52:36.320 --> 1:52:38.360 yehoa whoa something for them? 1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:42.160 Do you ever know when inspirations a little weird? 1:52:42.200 --> 1:52:45.960 Though, it's also like, how do you scratch a cat? Like, 1:52:46.040 --> 1:52:47.920 I'm one of the most pleasant things in the world, 1:52:48.040 --> 1:52:49.040 is like panting a cat. 1:52:49.200 --> 1:52:51.439 It's like, nah, I don't want something that does that for. 1:52:52.200 --> 1:52:55.679 That's APEX level, like solving a problem that you don't 1:52:55.720 --> 1:52:57.680 have stuff. But it's like you're wasting too much time 1:52:57.720 --> 1:53:00.000 that you could be spending sending emails, and you don't 1:53:00.080 --> 1:53:01.479 touching your pet that you love. 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:02.840 Don't want to you pet. 1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:05.200 I don't want to teach your kids how to play jazz, 1:53:05.479 --> 1:53:07.280 don't want to use your TV, don't don't want. 1:53:07.200 --> 1:53:09.120 To cut I don't want to That's time you could 1:53:09.120 --> 1:53:11.599 be on work calls. Yeah, but you know what, Actually, 1:53:11.680 --> 1:53:16.080 let's just imagine shareholder, your eyes on the price. 1:53:16.320 --> 1:53:18.320 What are you fucking doing when all of this stuff 1:53:18.400 --> 1:53:22.080 is automated, just sitting inert waiting for the next email. 1:53:22.640 --> 1:53:26.240 That's what we're having emotion brother, Yeah, I'm moving up 1:53:26.280 --> 1:53:27.599 the corporate ladder option. 1:53:27.840 --> 1:53:32.160 That's my slot machine spit like burps out puree. 1:53:32.640 --> 1:53:37.280 You're a zoom corn. It's the loudest background, you know. 1:53:37.479 --> 1:53:39.800 I got I got a Ninja creamy one of the 1:53:39.920 --> 1:53:43.000 worst name things of all time. And it is you 1:53:43.360 --> 1:53:45.960 feed stuff into it, you have to freeze it, and 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:47.560 you turn it on and it makes. 1:53:47.640 --> 1:53:53.080 More noise than I have ever heard. Machine. No, it 1:53:53.280 --> 1:53:56.519 just makes ice cream that's like sometimes the right texture. 1:53:57.479 --> 1:53:57.840 I love it. 1:53:57.920 --> 1:53:58.080 Yeah. 1:53:58.080 --> 1:53:59.760 When I think of ice cream, I think of ice 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:03.120 cream shops. It's never never heard loud noises. 1:54:03.360 --> 1:54:07.960 Yeah, and it's so loud it sounds like it's. 1:54:09.800 --> 1:54:11.240 Everyone knows you're making ice cream. 1:54:13.240 --> 1:54:13.920 The first time I. 1:54:14.040 --> 1:54:18.800 Used to the third time today right there and it 1:54:19.040 --> 1:54:22.720 shapes violently. It's like, this is real. 1:54:23.120 --> 1:54:25.360 Yes, it's so loud. 1:54:25.439 --> 1:54:26.600 I remember the first time I to know. 1:54:26.640 --> 1:54:28.599 I'm like, this must be something I looked on YouTube. 1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:31.080 This people being like, yeah, I've got the creamy on. 1:54:34.120 --> 1:54:37.160 It's like two hundred and fifty dollars. Just one of 1:54:37.200 --> 1:54:39.560 the many times the wallet inspector has visited me. 1:54:40.400 --> 1:54:42.280 You know that it was so loud and they were like, 1:54:42.280 --> 1:54:43.760 should be reduced, and they're like, nah. 1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:49.800 Fucking ice cream, these holes anything, no idea what these 1:54:49.840 --> 1:54:52.040 people are willing to put up with their little treats. 1:54:53.400 --> 1:54:55.440 And it's no, it's aimed at people who want to 1:54:55.520 --> 1:54:58.640 like lose weight. And okay, because you so you can 1:54:58.680 --> 1:54:59.760 make sugar free ice. 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:03.040 Cream, okay, but it's like the makes ice cream so 1:55:03.720 --> 1:55:04.960 unpleasant to consider it. 1:55:05.560 --> 1:55:08.000 It's just like you have thinking like. 1:55:11.680 --> 1:55:13.560 Ice cream is when I have a headache really bad. 1:55:14.840 --> 1:55:17.600 No, I you know, I put it in another room. 1:55:18.680 --> 1:55:19.680 I closed the door. 1:55:20.400 --> 1:55:21.440 My kid was asleep. 1:55:21.520 --> 1:55:22.240 I had to move it. 1:55:22.440 --> 1:55:24.520 Like if there the ice cream room. 1:55:25.720 --> 1:55:28.680 Let me just think your kitchen now got to be 1:55:28.760 --> 1:55:31.720 in another room because they're so fucking yeah, we're just 1:55:31.880 --> 1:55:32.680 rufting the kitchen. 1:55:32.920 --> 1:55:33.200 Okay. 1:55:33.440 --> 1:55:35.320 The only thing to that were like a drum set 1:55:35.400 --> 1:55:36.600 and a ninja creamy. 1:55:39.360 --> 1:55:40.680 List. Did you see anything else? 1:55:41.080 --> 1:55:41.200 Was it? 1:55:41.480 --> 1:55:42.080 Were they loud? 1:55:44.480 --> 1:55:47.600 Was the loudest gadget, the loudest gadget. 1:55:47.680 --> 1:55:49.720 Oh gosh, I don't know. It's I mean, it's always 1:55:49.760 --> 1:55:51.240 so loud. Just at ce S. 1:55:51.960 --> 1:55:56.440 Everybody's screaming everywhere, like chen, Like it's for everyone's shouting, 1:55:56.520 --> 1:55:57.680 like I can't hear myself. 1:55:57.760 --> 1:56:02.320 Think, I don't anyone's screaming, screaming trying. 1:56:02.200 --> 1:56:04.760 To film videos. It's like shouting over each other and 1:56:04.800 --> 1:56:05.760 trying to ask questions. 1:56:05.840 --> 1:56:10.040 Yea, the level of ambient noises, yeah, exactly. Although the 1:56:10.080 --> 1:56:12.360 other bit that I remember from I mean exactly love 1:56:12.360 --> 1:56:15.120 the experience. But last year going to the convention center, 1:56:15.200 --> 1:56:18.200 to the entire floor that was just like white label 1:56:18.720 --> 1:56:24.040 electronics from China's USB and it was silent, Yeah, totally, 1:56:24.120 --> 1:56:26.800 like you could hear the HVAC system going and like 1:56:26.840 --> 1:56:29.080 to hear the sound of someone sleeping softly in one 1:56:29.120 --> 1:56:32.480 of the booths, and that was it. They're both pretty unsettling, Honestly, 1:56:32.520 --> 1:56:34.000 if I had to shoot video. I would do it 1:56:34.080 --> 1:56:36.560 in the hall of USB cables, the whole of silence. 1:56:36.640 --> 1:56:38.600 Like I also don't want to go back there. 1:56:39.320 --> 1:56:41.320 It's great you go in there with the media badge 1:56:41.480 --> 1:56:45.000 and like everyone's like every head switches to look at you, 1:56:45.080 --> 1:56:47.120 like you've hit someone in marrow wind. 1:56:49.080 --> 1:56:51.560 Stop, citizen. Let me show you my. 1:56:55.800 --> 1:56:56.440 Every booth is. 1:56:56.440 --> 1:56:58.800 Trying to send you on the side class like I can't. 1:56:59.000 --> 1:57:01.720 I can't know to find the big l G things. 1:57:02.680 --> 1:57:05.480 Interested you got any ice cream machines that are very loud? 1:57:05.760 --> 1:57:10.320 Like no, but we have an LM for Pets sound device. 1:57:10.680 --> 1:57:14.440 LM for Pets was last year really disappointing because it 1:57:14.560 --> 1:57:16.800 was just like a health app versus something to translate 1:57:16.840 --> 1:57:17.560 my cat's noise. 1:57:18.200 --> 1:57:19.040 And when I. 1:57:19.080 --> 1:57:23.000 Posted about it, the company fucking emailed me. They were like, actually, 1:57:23.320 --> 1:57:26.480 please don't. I just was like, no, I'm not taking 1:57:26.520 --> 1:57:28.960 down my post. Fucking soup. I didn't say that, but 1:57:29.440 --> 1:57:31.680 if they being if I called my lore, I'm like, 1:57:31.720 --> 1:57:34.000 I'm being sued by an l M pets company, he 1:57:34.040 --> 1:57:35.680 would be like he would not be surprised. 1:57:35.800 --> 1:57:37.680 You got to send him a video of your cat 1:57:37.920 --> 1:57:39.320 knowing really aggressively. 1:57:39.440 --> 1:57:44.560 Yeah, me to Barb treats me with adoration. 1:57:46.280 --> 1:57:48.360 The only time my cats really get down like that 1:57:48.520 --> 1:57:50.720 is like if I sleep in and didn't feed them 1:57:50.800 --> 1:57:54.600 at six a m. You know, as opposed to seven a. 1:57:54.840 --> 1:57:55.960 My cats just graze. 1:57:56.600 --> 1:57:59.320 They happily graze, and they don't get fat too, they 1:57:59.520 --> 1:58:00.880 just perfect. 1:58:00.720 --> 1:58:02.720 The mine have started grazing, but they used to not, 1:58:02.960 --> 1:58:04.400 and they're still on the like oh my god, I 1:58:04.480 --> 1:58:06.280 need food right now kind of mindset. And then you 1:58:06.360 --> 1:58:08.080 give them their food and they're like, I'll have two 1:58:08.120 --> 1:58:11.000 bites and then Exactually sometimes they screamed. 1:58:10.720 --> 1:58:17.200 To make me watch them eat, and then I'm like, okay, 1:58:17.280 --> 1:58:19.320 what's up. You got your food, and then they started. 1:58:20.240 --> 1:58:23.760 I have seen a few links to like pets that 1:58:23.840 --> 1:58:26.600 people have here, Like I saw before the show there 1:58:26.680 --> 1:58:29.720 was this one that makes noise and peurs and is warm, 1:58:30.080 --> 1:58:31.520 which sounds like those ones. 1:58:31.680 --> 1:58:33.280 Again, not going to be cynical. 1:58:32.880 --> 1:58:36.040 About those, because there's old people who people with dementia 1:58:36.080 --> 1:58:36.920 who can't look after. 1:58:36.800 --> 1:58:40.560 A pet, except they made one that has needs as 1:58:40.600 --> 1:58:43.120 in like you have to like head. 1:58:45.120 --> 1:58:47.360 And it's like, okay, so I get none of the 1:58:47.480 --> 1:58:51.480 benefits of a living creature, but most of the obligation. 1:58:51.240 --> 1:58:53.320 Something I don't think they'll have a CS, but I've 1:58:53.320 --> 1:58:56.160 been seeing New York vabes with Tomagachi in them that 1:58:56.240 --> 1:58:57.960 you have to keep hitting to keep them alive. 1:58:58.440 --> 1:58:59.280 Oh God, what would? 1:58:59.400 --> 1:58:59.800 What would? 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:00.200 Yeah? 1:59:00.240 --> 1:59:02.840 Because because the problem with vapes is people don't want 1:59:02.880 --> 1:59:06.800 to use the Yeah, we need to make nicotine more addictati. 1:59:07.640 --> 1:59:09.320 We're gamifying the addictions. 1:59:10.080 --> 1:59:12.800 Yeah, yeah, steal your friends vape and see what happens 1:59:12.960 --> 1:59:13.880 thirty seconds later. 1:59:14.680 --> 1:59:17.840 Yeah, killed it. They should have killed my VeVe. 1:59:19.080 --> 1:59:19.840 It's dead. 1:59:21.800 --> 1:59:24.960 I truly know someone who's very stone, just crying their 1:59:25.000 --> 1:59:29.440 eyes out. What did I do? I killed my vape 1:59:30.080 --> 1:59:32.000 and I can't find my keys? There in your hand. 1:59:33.800 --> 1:59:36.120 To help you process the death of your vape. 1:59:38.840 --> 1:59:41.400 Yeah, it's going to be an interesting week here in 1:59:41.480 --> 1:59:44.120 Ces because I've been I've been trying. 1:59:43.880 --> 1:59:44.360 To like read it. 1:59:44.440 --> 1:59:46.640 Last year was just completely off the top of my head, 1:59:46.720 --> 1:59:48.440 or just made this up as I went along, no 1:59:48.480 --> 1:59:52.040 one knows. But this year I've like tried to read ahead, thinking, oh, 1:59:52.160 --> 1:59:55.320 I'll catch it. No, it seems to be most of 1:59:55.400 --> 1:59:56.880 the stuff from last year again. 1:59:57.480 --> 1:59:59.520 Yeah, it's hard to plan ahead for CS. 1:59:59.560 --> 2:00:01.640 Like. You can planned as much as you want, but 2:00:01.720 --> 2:00:03.160 then the thing that you planned for is going to 2:00:03.240 --> 2:00:05.360 end up to be really boring, and I'm gonna be 2:00:05.440 --> 2:00:08.680 chasing this other thing that heard of, like the omniverse. 2:00:08.720 --> 2:00:10.080 I'm a big omniverse head. 2:00:10.360 --> 2:00:13.600 There's a huge omniverse, and I was really happy to 2:00:13.640 --> 2:00:16.040 see the half an hour the Jensen Hwung spent talking 2:00:16.040 --> 2:00:19.040 about it today. Yeah. But yeah, it's just I'm hoping 2:00:19.200 --> 2:00:22.080 that I'm really if you easy a better offline, email 2:00:22.160 --> 2:00:23.880 me if you find any weird ship or if you 2:00:23.960 --> 2:00:26.120 want to just say, what was this bright and ice? 2:00:28.760 --> 2:00:31.760 I'm gonna get a lot of waves in my email. Thing. No, 2:00:31.920 --> 2:00:34.680 it's it's I hope that there's something weird. But I 2:00:34.760 --> 2:00:37.480 get the sense that this year just feels cobbled together 2:00:37.560 --> 2:00:39.920 in a very strange way. Like last year was not 2:00:40.080 --> 2:00:42.680 quite half hearted but off, but this one's just like 2:00:43.480 --> 2:00:44.800 a fucking AI. 2:00:44.960 --> 2:00:48.200 I guess are you on this? What are you looking 2:00:48.240 --> 2:00:50.240 forward to anything? Lisa, You've got anything fun? 2:00:51.680 --> 2:00:53.680 I mean, there's anything I'm looking forward to. 2:00:53.960 --> 2:00:56.040 I feel like I'm just kind of keeping an eye 2:00:56.040 --> 2:00:58.760 out for like what some of the smaller companies are 2:00:58.840 --> 2:01:02.240 doing in AI, because there's a couple of interesting I 2:01:02.320 --> 2:01:04.880 feel like one small trend I'm seeing a little bit 2:01:04.920 --> 2:01:08.280 already are like wearables that aren't actually for health tracking 2:01:08.440 --> 2:01:12.880 but are more for like life logging because like you 2:01:13.000 --> 2:01:15.680 press a button and it'll you know, you can talk 2:01:15.760 --> 2:01:17.920 into it and record a reminder or something like that. 2:01:19.360 --> 2:01:20.680 There's the new Pebble ring. 2:01:20.800 --> 2:01:21.040 Does that. 2:01:21.120 --> 2:01:23.640 I don't know if you guys saw at all, do 2:01:23.680 --> 2:01:26.520 you remember Pebble? Yeah, so they're they're back. 2:01:27.240 --> 2:01:31.360 They have Yeah, they were at CES unveiled last night 2:01:32.080 --> 2:01:34.360 and they had some new watches which were interesting. I 2:01:34.400 --> 2:01:35.800 didn't really look at those though, but I was really 2:01:35.840 --> 2:01:38.080 interested in this ring because again, it's just kind of 2:01:38.120 --> 2:01:40.800 like fun and different a health tracking one. 2:01:40.920 --> 2:01:42.160 No, it doesn't do any health tracking. 2:01:42.200 --> 2:01:44.120 It does one thing like it has a button on 2:01:44.200 --> 2:01:46.000 it and you can press it if you want to 2:01:46.200 --> 2:01:49.640 just like record a reminder or something that you want 2:01:49.680 --> 2:01:50.560 to remember later. 2:01:50.560 --> 2:01:52.400 Almost like a like a diary. 2:01:53.920 --> 2:01:55.080 It is. 2:01:55.160 --> 2:01:55.879 It just recording. 2:01:56.480 --> 2:01:58.720 So there's I think some AI. 2:01:58.760 --> 2:02:00.800 That happens on the back end and in the app 2:02:00.800 --> 2:02:04.280 because it'll likerscribe to things that you record and whatnot. 2:02:05.440 --> 2:02:07.120 I just thought it was kind of interesting. 2:02:08.040 --> 2:02:08.560 How much is it? 2:02:09.120 --> 2:02:10.880 I think seventy five dollars or. 2:02:10.880 --> 2:02:15.560 Something like that, right, we're in the realm of not useless. Yeah, 2:02:15.680 --> 2:02:17.440 just I swear to God, I want one thing. I 2:02:17.520 --> 2:02:19.640 actually like it. This sh I'm not even trying to 2:02:19.640 --> 2:02:22.000 be a hate it. No, I do make my heart sing. 2:02:22.120 --> 2:02:24.120 Please look like a mechanical turk. 2:02:24.320 --> 2:02:25.160 That's what I would like. 2:02:25.680 --> 2:02:27.600 Oh, I have some great news I one looked at. 2:02:27.600 --> 2:02:30.280 I haven't actually seen this yet, but have you guys 2:02:30.320 --> 2:02:31.960 heard about the clicks Communicator The. 2:02:32.480 --> 2:02:36.120 Michael Fisher's joining us Friday who it's both a creator 2:02:36.240 --> 2:02:37.160 and an innovator. 2:02:37.280 --> 2:02:39.520 But yes, the clicks Communicator. That's like, what does it do? 2:02:39.720 --> 2:02:41.520 It's like a little phone thing. 2:02:41.760 --> 2:02:43.720 Yeah, it's supposed to be like a second phone. 2:02:43.800 --> 2:02:46.280 So if you want a phone just to like actually 2:02:46.360 --> 2:02:48.320 keep in touch with people and not to like fall 2:02:48.440 --> 2:02:52.200 down a rabbit hole, TikTok or Instagram or whatever, talk 2:02:52.280 --> 2:02:56.120 to Nano banana or whatever. You It has a built 2:02:56.160 --> 2:03:00.240 in keyboard. It kind of looks like a BlackBerry And yeah, 2:03:00.240 --> 2:03:01.640 I mean it runs on Android. I think, so you 2:03:01.680 --> 2:03:03.280 probably could do other things on it if. 2:03:03.200 --> 2:03:04.000 You really want to do so. 2:03:04.120 --> 2:03:05.960 You can send texts on it, but you can't do 2:03:06.080 --> 2:03:06.600 other stuff. 2:03:07.600 --> 2:03:08.080 I don't know. 2:03:08.360 --> 2:03:09.880 I have not seen it yet. I was just kind 2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:12.120 of seeing it in the headlines. But since it runs 2:03:12.160 --> 2:03:14.320 on Android, presumably you can do other stuff on it. 2:03:14.360 --> 2:03:16.640 I think it's just designed to be like, hey, this 2:03:16.760 --> 2:03:19.120 has a smaller screen. There's a built in keyboard, you 2:03:19.200 --> 2:03:21.840 know something if you just want to actually talk to 2:03:21.920 --> 2:03:25.560 people and not you know, be immersed in a screen 2:03:25.680 --> 2:03:26.520 all day, every. 2:03:26.360 --> 2:03:30.040 Second and every psychosis induction device on your own time. 2:03:30.160 --> 2:03:32.720 But like this is a little bit quieter experience. 2:03:32.720 --> 2:03:34.920 I thought it was an interesting idea, and like it's 2:03:35.000 --> 2:03:37.440 being pitched as like a secondary phone almost like you 2:03:37.520 --> 2:03:40.240 know how we have work phones and personal phones. 2:03:40.280 --> 2:03:41.840 I guess in that case it would be a third phone. 2:03:41.920 --> 2:03:43.880 But I'm gonna it's funny. 2:03:43.920 --> 2:03:46.240 I have Michael as a creative, but I'm just going 2:03:46.320 --> 2:03:48.360 to like bug him about his device this time. 2:03:49.680 --> 2:03:51.400 I don't think he'll listen to this, But Michael, let's 2:03:51.440 --> 2:03:52.720 once you quote coming, but then. 2:03:52.600 --> 2:03:54.360 We're going to wrap it there. Lisa ed A Chico 2:03:54.400 --> 2:03:56.600 at CNN, of course, thank you so much for joining us. 2:03:56.680 --> 2:03:58.120 Of course, thanks for having me Edwin and. 2:03:58.160 --> 2:04:00.720 Graiso Junior of the Tech Bubble and used that pleasure. 2:04:00.880 --> 2:04:04.800 And uh David Roth of Defectoryeah of course, and yeah, 2:04:04.800 --> 2:04:06.920 We're gonna have one more bit and then yeah, we'll 2:04:06.960 --> 2:04:09.240 be wrapped for the day. Thanks for listening everyone. I 2:04:09.320 --> 2:04:11.520 don't know what the next that is, but I fully 2:04:11.640 --> 2:04:25.760 endorse it. Welcome back to the Better off line coverage 2:04:25.800 --> 2:04:28.880 of the Consumer Electronic Show. We're back, folks, and this 2:04:28.960 --> 2:04:30.960 is the last part of this episode. But tomorrow we're 2:04:30.960 --> 2:04:33.280 gonna have two two hour episodes. It's going to be 2:04:33.560 --> 2:04:35.960 full of fun and laughs and giggles. Don't know why 2:04:35.960 --> 2:04:40.000 I'm making so much talking happening. That's normal ed anyway 2:04:40.080 --> 2:04:42.600 today enjoyed of course, by David Roth of Defector. Hello, 2:04:43.400 --> 2:04:45.720 ed on Giso Junior of the Tech Bubble newsletter. Hello, 2:04:46.080 --> 2:04:48.680 and mister Robert Evans, the magnificent Robert Evans of Behind 2:04:48.680 --> 2:04:50.040 the Bastards and it could happen here. 2:04:50.320 --> 2:04:52.920 Hello. So we're all doing that right, Yeah, we. 2:04:53.440 --> 2:04:56.880 Were just we were literally just talking about doing voices, yeah, right, 2:04:57.040 --> 2:04:58.760 which is culturally appropriating. 2:04:58.880 --> 2:05:03.040 Yeah, there are British people who get really offended by it. 2:05:03.080 --> 2:05:05.400 And it's so funny Oudea of a British person being like, 2:05:05.480 --> 2:05:08.200 you can't you can't be racist. You just say what 2:05:08.520 --> 2:05:08.720 to me? 2:05:09.320 --> 2:05:10.080 You haven't a laugh. 2:05:10.520 --> 2:05:13.920 There's there's a level of gerialism. And obviously Americans crossed 2:05:13.960 --> 2:05:16.680 this long ago where you can't get angry people making 2:05:16.760 --> 2:05:19.120 fun of the way you talk. Yeah, yeah, and this 2:05:19.240 --> 2:05:21.680 is still true of Italians. It's been two thousand years 2:05:21.800 --> 2:05:23.960 or whatever. I mean, it depends on when you call 2:05:24.000 --> 2:05:26.440 them fifteen hundred whatever, a thousand, depending on when you 2:05:26.520 --> 2:05:28.240 call the end of the Roman Empire. But you can 2:05:28.280 --> 2:05:29.480 still make fun of Italians. 2:05:29.720 --> 2:05:31.280 Yeah, it's never racist. 2:05:31.400 --> 2:05:32.960 I saw that. 2:05:33.040 --> 2:05:36.760 It's true talking like that, Like was Julius getting stabbed? Like, hey, 2:05:37.640 --> 2:05:46.960 oh his last words were uf madone brutus, What are 2:05:47.000 --> 2:05:47.480 you doing? 2:05:48.600 --> 2:05:51.120 I wish I knew any other Italian history, Like just 2:05:51.240 --> 2:05:56.839 like that's it. Caesar and Pasta. Caesar and Pasta supposed 2:05:56.840 --> 2:05:58.480 to it. You can make fun of British people as 2:05:58.520 --> 2:06:01.480 much as you won't. It's sure, you're welcome to. I 2:06:01.520 --> 2:06:02.600 get enough emails about it. 2:06:02.680 --> 2:06:05.200 But let's talk about consumer electronics and robot You were 2:06:05.320 --> 2:06:06.560 using an exoskeleton. 2:06:07.080 --> 2:06:10.800 Yeah, so, like a couple of weeks before we left 2:06:10.840 --> 2:06:14.640 for the show, this company, Hypershell reached out to me 2:06:14.720 --> 2:06:20.440 and said, hey, we make these different exoskeleton products. Several 2:06:20.480 --> 2:06:22.400 different companies have come out with them that are just 2:06:22.480 --> 2:06:25.240 now hitting. They've been in industrial uses for a while. 2:06:25.320 --> 2:06:27.280 There's been varying forms for really the last like ten 2:06:27.360 --> 2:06:31.160 or fifteen years that I've seen increasingly that are meant 2:06:31.200 --> 2:06:34.480 to do a mix of things. Some of them and 2:06:34.560 --> 2:06:36.880 initially these were very separate product categories. They are ones 2:06:36.920 --> 2:06:39.400 that were meant for people who were having mobility issues, right, 2:06:39.480 --> 2:06:42.240 to allow people with a disability to move more easily. 2:06:42.600 --> 2:06:44.440 And then there were ones that were more designed for 2:06:45.160 --> 2:06:47.600 industrial use. Right, Like, you have people working like an 2:06:47.640 --> 2:06:50.760 Amazon facility, and they're going to be lifting packages and 2:06:50.840 --> 2:06:53.840 walking them repeatedly, and you want something that reduces the 2:06:53.960 --> 2:06:57.280 stress to their body and thus reduces like workmen's comp cools. 2:06:57.400 --> 2:06:59.480 Right, So those are kind of like the two different. 2:06:59.600 --> 2:07:07.000 Of course, not for the humans, it's the workers. All right, 2:07:07.040 --> 2:07:07.440 we're back. 2:07:07.480 --> 2:07:10.280 We got disconnected due to the Amazon hit squad that 2:07:10.360 --> 2:07:12.440 was set in because we were discussing workers comp and 2:07:12.760 --> 2:07:14.840 while we were off micro discussing I do not think 2:07:15.040 --> 2:07:17.480 it's reasonable to suggest that every dog is a good boy. 2:07:18.000 --> 2:07:19.160 I don't think you should go it. 2:07:19.240 --> 2:07:20.760 Wow, I just don't just. 2:07:20.800 --> 2:07:21.600 Drop that just. 2:07:24.240 --> 2:07:25.560 I just want to just put this. 2:07:25.960 --> 2:07:28.600 We're also anxious to get back to telling every exoskeletons. 2:07:29.600 --> 2:07:32.520 Just see the ones that are active duty police officers. 2:07:32.640 --> 2:07:35.160 Yeah, if I got to walk by you at the airport, 2:07:35.240 --> 2:07:35.600 I don't know. 2:07:36.920 --> 2:07:39.040 We can't understand how dogs talk. We don't know what 2:07:39.080 --> 2:07:42.360 they're really thinking. So that's all I'm saying. Maybe, yeah, 2:07:43.360 --> 2:07:46.160 just cursing anyway, exoskeletons back to you. 2:07:46.520 --> 2:07:48.440 Sure, yes, uh so yeah. 2:07:48.440 --> 2:07:50.320 I mean they reached out and asked if I wanted 2:07:50.360 --> 2:07:53.280 to try this thing at CES, because people walk around 2:07:53.320 --> 2:07:54.360 a lot at CES. 2:07:54.560 --> 2:07:55.280 I guess, uh. 2:07:55.600 --> 2:07:58.240 This is not really meant as a product for journalists 2:07:58.280 --> 2:08:01.280 who get their feets tired walking around to trade shows. 2:08:01.280 --> 2:08:02.680 It's mostly a blogging age. 2:08:03.560 --> 2:08:08.400 This is to help you blog finally, But I thought 2:08:08.440 --> 2:08:10.560 it was interesting. Like I'm I'm a nerd. 2:08:10.640 --> 2:08:13.120 I grew up playing Warhammer, so I'm interested in anything 2:08:13.200 --> 2:08:14.920 that is like a little step on the road to 2:08:15.000 --> 2:08:17.680 power armor, which was my immediate thought. It was like 2:08:17.760 --> 2:08:20.520 powered exoskeleton. I'm going to strap some body armor into 2:08:20.560 --> 2:08:21.680 this thing and say, oh, it works. 2:08:22.760 --> 2:08:23.120 So I did. 2:08:23.280 --> 2:08:23.680 I did that. 2:08:23.840 --> 2:08:25.560 I mean I played around with it at home. I've 2:08:25.640 --> 2:08:28.200 got like a sled that's like an exercise. It's like 2:08:28.240 --> 2:08:30.320 a sled that you load weights onto like push and 2:08:30.440 --> 2:08:33.200 to shove it because that's a thing that you can 2:08:33.240 --> 2:08:37.280 do to exercise. Yeah, And I threw on like my 2:08:37.800 --> 2:08:40.640 my level four plates on a vest and my helmet 2:08:41.120 --> 2:08:43.200 with earpro and stuff just like I don't know, twenty 2:08:43.280 --> 2:08:46.680 five pounds maybe of armor and loaded the sled up 2:08:46.680 --> 2:08:49.240 to about two hundred pounds and pushed and pulled it 2:08:49.480 --> 2:08:51.280 until I got to well. I did it first without 2:08:51.320 --> 2:08:54.280 any armor or with with armor on, but without the exoskeleton, 2:08:54.640 --> 2:08:57.320 to see how long I could go, and then I 2:08:57.440 --> 2:08:59.400 waited like a day or so to recover, and then 2:08:59.440 --> 2:09:03.920 I did it with the exoskeleton. I noticed, and I 2:09:04.000 --> 2:09:05.760 think this may just be down to how it works, 2:09:05.840 --> 2:09:08.840 because it's not meant for those motions. I noticed that 2:09:08.880 --> 2:09:12.200 when I was pushing it, I felt the machine assistance 2:09:12.360 --> 2:09:15.600 like pulling my legs effectively, but when I was pulling 2:09:15.680 --> 2:09:18.400 it backwards, I didn't really feel much of anything at all. 2:09:19.320 --> 2:09:20.760 So I think it may just be sort of a 2:09:20.840 --> 2:09:23.520 factor of like when the thing functions. But I didn't 2:09:23.560 --> 2:09:27.920 really notice a benefit from that. I have noticed it 2:09:28.120 --> 2:09:31.160 does seem to like you're exerting less when you're like 2:09:31.360 --> 2:09:34.200 running or walking on it, So I'm interested in how 2:09:34.280 --> 2:09:37.440 I feel I'm gonna tomorrow probably hump around like a 2:09:37.520 --> 2:09:39.920 backpack heavier than I would normally take and keep it 2:09:40.040 --> 2:09:43.720 on and see how that feels, and then probably do 2:09:43.800 --> 2:09:45.520 the same thing with like I don't know how else 2:09:45.600 --> 2:09:48.400 to do it as well, to do a control group experiment. 2:09:48.960 --> 2:09:52.280 It goes around, it fits around your hips and your 2:09:52.560 --> 2:09:56.920 like thighs. It ends right above the knee, and there's 2:09:57.000 --> 2:10:00.840 like a wasteband thing for it, and so it's just 2:10:01.040 --> 2:10:01.880 meant to kind of. 2:10:02.480 --> 2:10:06.520 Alleviate weight I think on your lower back and your legs. 2:10:06.720 --> 2:10:09.760 Like They've got some statistics that they have on their 2:10:09.800 --> 2:10:11.960 website that I have no idea how I would begin 2:10:12.040 --> 2:10:14.320 to verify, and I don't even know like how you 2:10:14.320 --> 2:10:17.480 would verify stuff like a four. Well, I see, like 2:10:17.560 --> 2:10:19.800 they say there's like a forty two percent decrease in 2:10:19.840 --> 2:10:21.400 the average heart rate of people using it. 2:10:21.480 --> 2:10:22.800 That's measurable. 2:10:22.920 --> 2:10:25.920 Yeah, but there's like a thirty percent decrease in physical exertion. 2:10:26.240 --> 2:10:27.640 I'm not fully sure how you. 2:10:27.640 --> 2:10:31.920 Say all the classic metrics, right, what are you doing? 2:10:32.040 --> 2:10:32.760 And how hard is it? 2:10:32.920 --> 2:10:36.000 Yeah, And they're saying it's something like a forty percent 2:10:36.320 --> 2:10:41.000 reduction in like how much like you weight that you 2:10:41.200 --> 2:10:45.440 feel basically, so theoretically you could carry a load that's 2:10:45.480 --> 2:10:48.960 fifty percent heavier or carry your additional load with like 2:10:49.480 --> 2:10:52.320 about half the strain, right, Like that's kind of the 2:10:52.360 --> 2:10:53.960 claim that they're making. This thing is supposed to have 2:10:54.040 --> 2:10:57.240 like a thirty kilometer battery range when walking. Now there's 2:10:57.280 --> 2:11:00.200 different settings, including like an echo and a power one. 2:11:00.320 --> 2:11:05.720 You can up or down the like intensity the power 2:11:05.760 --> 2:11:09.400 of the assistance motors. So I assume that decreases substantially 2:11:09.480 --> 2:11:11.600 when you've got it on like level four, because it 2:11:11.640 --> 2:11:14.120 goes from one to four, But I have not used 2:11:14.160 --> 2:11:16.280 it enough to like determine. 2:11:15.880 --> 2:11:17.080 That that's exciting though. 2:11:17.240 --> 2:11:19.920 Yeah, it's a cool product idea I've tested. I think 2:11:20.080 --> 2:11:22.640 they emailed me because I've tried some of these previous ces. 2:11:22.840 --> 2:11:26.200 Is just like walking around at the actual booths. It's 2:11:26.240 --> 2:11:28.800 a really cool idea both for people who actually have 2:11:28.920 --> 2:11:32.480 like a physical disability, and you know, obviously none of 2:11:32.520 --> 2:11:35.440 these companies are interested in stuff like this for people 2:11:35.480 --> 2:11:37.840 who are working in factories for their own sake. But 2:11:38.000 --> 2:11:40.720 if it does reduce the amount of wear and tear 2:11:40.800 --> 2:11:42.640 on human bodies, that's a good thing. 2:11:42.720 --> 2:11:45.080 Yeah, I got fucked up ankle. It sounds kind of nice. 2:11:45.360 --> 2:11:47.600 Yeah, that's so I'm interested in how well it actually 2:11:47.680 --> 2:11:51.640 works for that, and I'm not like Hypershell has been 2:11:52.080 --> 2:11:54.400 nice to me. I'm hoping that the product works well, 2:11:54.400 --> 2:11:55.920 but I simply don't have enough time with it. 2:11:56.080 --> 2:11:58.640 How much do the cost it varies? 2:11:59.000 --> 2:12:02.200 Their lowest version costs like nine hundred bucks. The one 2:12:02.200 --> 2:12:05.640 they sent me it costs about two thousand. But three 2:12:05.720 --> 2:12:07.640 years ago or so, I think we were looking at 2:12:07.720 --> 2:12:09.480 like five to ten grand for most of these. So 2:12:09.640 --> 2:12:11.520 does the cheap prices have been coming. 2:12:11.400 --> 2:12:12.000 Down a lot? 2:12:12.360 --> 2:12:14.520 And what makes the more expensive? Way? Is it big 2:12:14.640 --> 2:12:15.240 battery or something? 2:12:15.480 --> 2:12:16.480 I think bigger battery. 2:12:17.160 --> 2:12:21.080 They the one of the upgrade versions says carbon, So 2:12:21.160 --> 2:12:23.560 I'm guessing some of them are carbon fiber and some aren't. 2:12:23.600 --> 2:12:24.480 Mine definitely is. 2:12:25.960 --> 2:12:28.040 But yeah, so I think it's just a matter of 2:12:28.200 --> 2:12:30.160 like what kind of extras there are on it. But 2:12:30.360 --> 2:12:34.200 the prices have been decreasing pretty substantially, And from the 2:12:34.240 --> 2:12:37.280 reading I have done for previous years, there does seem 2:12:37.280 --> 2:12:39.640 to be some evidence that some products in this category 2:12:39.760 --> 2:12:43.280 do reduce like strain and injury for people who are 2:12:43.320 --> 2:12:45.840 working doing jobs where you're like lifting and carrying stuff, 2:12:45.880 --> 2:12:48.440 so I you know, I think there's some evidence to 2:12:48.480 --> 2:12:52.800 be optimistic here. I'm interested in how well I don't 2:12:52.960 --> 2:12:56.120 actually think a convention is the best way to test 2:12:56.160 --> 2:12:59.080 a product like this out, but I understand why hyper 2:12:59.120 --> 2:13:01.240 Shell's doing it that way, right, and I'm sure other 2:13:01.440 --> 2:13:03.800 companies in the space are because like it at least 2:13:03.880 --> 2:13:06.640 gives you a situation where journalists are going to be 2:13:06.680 --> 2:13:08.960 walking around a while and can try it out. So 2:13:09.200 --> 2:13:10.760 I'll see how I think about it. But I am 2:13:10.840 --> 2:13:13.160 most interested in, like, can I make me into a 2:13:13.200 --> 2:13:13.840 space marine? 2:13:14.000 --> 2:13:14.120 Right? 2:13:14.280 --> 2:13:14.440 Right? 2:13:14.760 --> 2:13:16.680 And I mean that's the ultimate of course. 2:13:16.960 --> 2:13:19.000 This is is interesting because we spent most of the 2:13:19.040 --> 2:13:22.200 rest of the episode just saying nothing feels new. Everything's 2:13:22.280 --> 2:13:25.320 kind of just a series of different like coming up 2:13:25.360 --> 2:13:27.720 with reasons to buy stuff that don't actually appear to 2:13:27.760 --> 2:13:28.120 be human. 2:13:28.480 --> 2:13:31.360 This is strangely useful just what used to. 2:13:31.880 --> 2:13:32.760 It's kind of thing. 2:13:32.800 --> 2:13:35.440 I'm always most interested in n acees, and that never 2:13:35.480 --> 2:13:37.360 makes it more than like ten percent of the products 2:13:37.400 --> 2:13:39.560 you see where it's like, well, this is like a 2:13:39.640 --> 2:13:43.000 cool thing that I've known we'd eventually make as a 2:13:43.080 --> 2:13:45.520 species at some point, Like we all knew they're going 2:13:45.600 --> 2:13:48.280 to have robot exoskeletons someday. 2:13:48.320 --> 2:13:50.720 Be hoping for like it's it's it's not like I 2:13:50.800 --> 2:13:56.520 had the right, Yeah exactly. It really seemed like they 2:13:56.520 --> 2:14:00.480 were cutting corners. Remember how wet that ship was. There's 2:14:00.520 --> 2:14:01.480 a lot of issues there. 2:14:01.880 --> 2:14:04.080 Although I think no Struma was the first one, and 2:14:04.200 --> 2:14:06.960 I forget what the Sulaco was. The second was the 2:14:07.040 --> 2:14:09.440 marine ship. Uh, people will get angry at us. 2:14:09.480 --> 2:14:14.200 Yeah, that's my regrets the error. Yeah, I apologize to alien. 2:14:15.880 --> 2:14:18.880 A flight right now to fight you. I can't even 2:14:18.960 --> 2:14:19.280 argue with. 2:14:19.360 --> 2:14:22.960 Him, just luckily with landlocked. Otherwise he come with us 2:14:23.000 --> 2:14:23.600 from the sea. 2:14:23.680 --> 2:14:26.440 His greatest power is does involve the ocean? 2:14:26.640 --> 2:14:32.480 Yeah, right from the like like Aquaman's with the newest movies, 2:14:32.520 --> 2:14:33.040 looking at that. 2:14:33.200 --> 2:14:36.120 Right rising from one of the canals that the Venetian 2:14:36.200 --> 2:14:41.120 and absolutely beating that ass exit running like one of 2:14:41.160 --> 2:14:44.360 the Yeah, I'm just like, you're such a visionaries are 2:14:44.440 --> 2:14:45.320 like whatever you see. 2:14:45.080 --> 2:14:49.680 Fish to do. He's a pro AI guy though, he's got. 2:14:49.680 --> 2:14:52.560 Yeah, I mean I think he's he's he made the 2:14:52.640 --> 2:14:55.800 statement that I think a lot of older guys in 2:14:55.920 --> 2:14:59.320 Hollywood are making without really thinking it through, which is like, oh, yeah, 2:14:59.360 --> 2:15:01.640 I'm sure it has some applications that I want to explore, 2:15:01.680 --> 2:15:05.440 and I'm thinking about like the broader socio cultural things 2:15:05.480 --> 2:15:06.520 that are going on with AI. 2:15:06.680 --> 2:15:09.360 He's just accurately being like, yeah, it's got some uses. 2:15:09.400 --> 2:15:10.040 I'll look into it. 2:15:10.280 --> 2:15:11.280 You know it. 2:15:12.760 --> 2:15:16.400 For me to almost drown an actress, and I'm like, yeah, what. 2:15:16.520 --> 2:15:19.080 Can most effectively let me nearly kill that? Harris? 2:15:19.560 --> 2:15:19.760 Yeah? 2:15:20.360 --> 2:15:22.440 Is AI going to revolutionize my ability to. 2:15:23.920 --> 2:15:24.600 At least didn't do? 2:15:24.720 --> 2:15:24.760 What? 2:15:24.840 --> 2:15:25.680 And that tells me to do? 2:15:26.320 --> 2:15:28.520 Natasha Leone, who is like here, David Lynch love this? 2:15:29.200 --> 2:15:29.640 That may be. 2:15:30.240 --> 2:15:31.440 No. I was saying the other day that. 2:15:33.200 --> 2:15:35.560 Media stuff doesn't usually enrage me that much. But if 2:15:35.640 --> 2:15:39.280 I fucking hear about Twin Peaks, put it in through 2:15:39.480 --> 2:15:39.840 the up. 2:15:40.720 --> 2:15:43.440 I'm not gonna use nano banana. 2:15:46.000 --> 2:15:47.840 A different pro cool. 2:15:48.000 --> 2:15:50.800 I don't want to see nano banana makes your heart 2:15:51.000 --> 2:15:51.400 or die. 2:15:52.600 --> 2:15:54.320 It would be would be heartbreaking. 2:15:54.840 --> 2:15:57.280 No, No, anyone who if you'll try to remake Twin Peaks, 2:15:57.320 --> 2:15:59.920 I will make war with you. I'll tell every media 2:16:00.000 --> 2:16:05.240 property I have against the new season. I haven't finished season, 2:16:05.320 --> 2:16:05.760 so you don't. 2:16:06.920 --> 2:16:09.080 I've always thought that the real problem with Twin Peaks 2:16:09.160 --> 2:16:10.160 was there wearing no do back. 2:16:10.240 --> 2:16:13.400 Lizards like moving around in the background, and there's there's 2:16:13.400 --> 2:16:15.760 a couple of scenes that could really used an ATS tea. 2:16:16.000 --> 2:16:19.160 You know, I'm on the same page Bob shot. 2:16:19.240 --> 2:16:21.760 First way, I think it's good that the Duffer brothers. 2:16:23.320 --> 2:16:23.560 Someone. 2:16:23.640 --> 2:16:25.200 But this is something that I've been laughing about for 2:16:25.360 --> 2:16:27.960 like two days. I did not watch The Stranger Things 2:16:28.040 --> 2:16:30.040 the last season, so I haven't watched the last I 2:16:30.080 --> 2:16:31.400 guess four or five seasons. 2:16:31.560 --> 2:16:32.440 I just called it Things. 2:16:32.720 --> 2:16:35.360 But the someone pointed out that all the effects in 2:16:35.440 --> 2:16:38.400 the finale look like the Tried So Hard video by 2:16:38.440 --> 2:16:39.160 Lincoln the Yark. 2:16:40.080 --> 2:16:40.720 It's funny to me. 2:16:40.879 --> 2:16:46.280 It's that and the corn corn as well, Yes, falling 2:16:46.280 --> 2:16:48.520 away from me. I saw a clip from that and 2:16:48.680 --> 2:16:50.200 it looked it looked really a bad but it was 2:16:50.280 --> 2:16:52.720 like one of them jumping and punching a big horrible 2:16:52.800 --> 2:16:56.480 CGI aliens throw and it's just like, doesn't this show 2:16:56.640 --> 2:17:00.480 have the budget of like Ethiopia's GDP or something, and 2:17:00.560 --> 2:17:03.920 it looks like dog shit. It's so I love slought 2:17:04.160 --> 2:17:05.920 and people like, well, this is just the preparing to 2:17:05.959 --> 2:17:08.800 give you l No, it's not, It's just fucking Netflix. 2:17:09.120 --> 2:17:12.400 It's just Netflix destroying money. We aren't you excited they're 2:17:12.400 --> 2:17:13.680 about to acquire Warner Brothers. 2:17:14.800 --> 2:17:16.320 Fucking just yeah cool. 2:17:17.320 --> 2:17:20.560 I don't know, like I haven't seen the New Stranger Things, 2:17:20.640 --> 2:17:22.920 because after season one I was like, I think I'm good. 2:17:23.120 --> 2:17:25.880 Yeah, that was about what I wanted to Yeah. I 2:17:25.959 --> 2:17:29.000 didn't mind it either. It was we never even talked 2:17:29.000 --> 2:17:31.040 about watching Into the House like a second season. 2:17:31.200 --> 2:17:34.320 Good for them, good yeah kids. Yeah, I'm glad they're 2:17:34.320 --> 2:17:37.280 getting their their their bag. I'm not interested here. 2:17:38.480 --> 2:17:41.080 Most of the current season is apparently just like twenty 2:17:41.120 --> 2:17:43.240 one people in a room standing around folding their arms. 2:17:43.480 --> 2:17:45.800 Yeah, so like Avengers. 2:17:45.879 --> 2:17:47.920 Yeah yeah, get them in an airplane hangar, put them 2:17:47.920 --> 2:17:49.600 in a motion capture seat, and then have them talk 2:17:49.640 --> 2:17:52.480 about what just just a big bill we can get 2:17:52.520 --> 2:17:52.680 them in. 2:17:53.120 --> 2:17:55.600 We're talking about real things. We as we were discussing 2:17:55.600 --> 2:17:58.440 the episode, we saw the Jensen Huong thing. Robert, you 2:17:58.520 --> 2:18:01.480 missed nothing, You missed it. Yeah, you're talking about the 2:18:01.720 --> 2:18:04.560 in vidio keynote speech. Yeah, and that I thought was tomorrow. 2:18:04.720 --> 2:18:06.959 Oh yeah, you really missed nothing though, And I went, 2:18:07.120 --> 2:18:08.520 I kind of mentioned this at the beginning. I went 2:18:08.560 --> 2:18:11.320 and I looked, and the six New trips. They announced 2:18:12.000 --> 2:18:15.320 all announced in like either June, October or November, like 2:18:15.400 --> 2:18:18.680 they're all old. Then you see it again for the 2:18:18.760 --> 2:18:19.720 first time they knew. 2:18:19.720 --> 2:18:20.959 This is the first time they've been together. 2:18:21.120 --> 2:18:22.800 Yeah, and it's like they're actually making one of them. 2:18:22.920 --> 2:18:24.360 Did you see that on the video that they're making it. 2:18:24.400 --> 2:18:27.359 They're actually going to manufacturing and manufactured, it's in production. 2:18:27.720 --> 2:18:30.000 It's like, and I just saw before we went on 2:18:30.160 --> 2:18:32.560 that A m D had and really just supported. Greg 2:18:32.600 --> 2:18:35.320 Brockman for the COO of Open AI went on, it's 2:18:35.360 --> 2:18:35.680 so cool. 2:18:35.680 --> 2:18:36.000 They went on. 2:18:36.080 --> 2:18:40.040 They did this big fucking speech about how oh, just 2:18:40.160 --> 2:18:42.440 like compute as the new oil or something. Just blow 2:18:42.480 --> 2:18:44.360 my brains out whenever I hear it's it's a great 2:18:45.120 --> 2:18:47.880 it's so fucking cool. But what's great about it, though, 2:18:48.040 --> 2:18:49.640 is like they didn't talk about the fact that they 2:18:49.720 --> 2:18:51.480 meant to build a gigawat of data centers by the 2:18:51.560 --> 2:18:52.320 end of this fucking year. 2:18:52.879 --> 2:18:57.080 It's just like, it's just the farce we talk about 2:18:57.080 --> 2:18:58.920 that again. Yeah, we don't need we don't need to 2:18:59.000 --> 2:19:00.280 talk about the thing. We three. 2:19:01.240 --> 2:19:04.000 You're you're a Sixers fan, now trytuf. 2:19:04.040 --> 2:19:04.920 Right, you're locked in. 2:19:05.760 --> 2:19:09.880 Who's the James Harden commit to like, oh no, no, 2:19:10.280 --> 2:19:13.600 that's Jay Peric. He got five. He moved from No 2:19:14.040 --> 2:19:14.520 j Peric. 2:19:14.640 --> 2:19:17.440 He went from uh lace Works, a company that was 2:19:17.480 --> 2:19:19.560 most famous for buying thirty thousand dollars worth of lou 2:19:19.720 --> 2:19:21.680 Lemon gift cards to get people to use their software, 2:19:21.920 --> 2:19:24.800 to Meta to Microsoft to run their AI group. 2:19:24.920 --> 2:19:27.120 Like that's the James hard to do anything. But he doesn't. 2:19:27.480 --> 2:19:29.880 But you don't have anyone who like stropoly quits. We 2:19:29.920 --> 2:19:32.160 don't have any like people like that. That's what we needed. 2:19:32.280 --> 2:19:36.600 We need more like characters Ben Simmons. We need a 2:19:36.680 --> 2:19:38.680 bench well, I mean that's like I'm not taking layups. 2:19:38.720 --> 2:19:41.000 That's beneath me. I don't do that anymore. It's Ben Simmons. 2:19:41.360 --> 2:19:45.200 That's like the three Basketball listeners. Sorry, they just fucking 2:19:45.320 --> 2:19:48.880 love it. Happened to the strong, loud type like Steve Bomber. 2:19:49.040 --> 2:19:51.240 That's what we need. Yes, somebody that I honestly had 2:19:51.280 --> 2:19:55.280 that when we were watching watching one, Like, I know 2:19:55.400 --> 2:19:58.320 how much more energy can be involved in this. He's 2:19:58.360 --> 2:19:59.760 not even sweating a little bit. 2:20:00.879 --> 2:20:03.920 If I had billions of dollars, I would be fucking 2:20:04.080 --> 2:20:06.320 losing it up that I'd be going inside be like, well, 2:20:06.360 --> 2:20:09.440 you can't do anything to me, buy this, buy this 2:20:09.640 --> 2:20:14.000 entype place. But yeah, it's it was so limb, it 2:20:14.080 --> 2:20:17.080 was so sad. It's like they barely seem to be 2:20:17.200 --> 2:20:18.560 fucking trying anymore. 2:20:18.840 --> 2:20:21.400 Well, what is there for in Vidio to really say 2:20:21.480 --> 2:20:25.560 it a keynote? Right, Like, it's not their products are 2:20:25.600 --> 2:20:28.959 really exciting two people who are in like the business 2:20:29.080 --> 2:20:32.279 of utilizing them, but it's not like a consumer product 2:20:32.400 --> 2:20:33.560 that they're hyping up right now. 2:20:33.680 --> 2:20:35.959 This was a lot of analysts and media and such, 2:20:36.560 --> 2:20:38.959 and it had there was a line out the door. 2:20:39.360 --> 2:20:41.000 Because they're making all the money in the world. 2:20:41.360 --> 2:20:43.400 That's what's exciting. Yeah, I think that was the little 2:20:43.400 --> 2:20:44.800 bit from the guy that I talked to was sitting 2:20:44.840 --> 2:20:45.960 next to me. It was just like part of it 2:20:46.120 --> 2:20:47.440 was like you just wanted to be in a room 2:20:47.480 --> 2:20:49.800 with a guy rich. Yeah, like not even in like 2:20:49.840 --> 2:20:53.160 a way that I'm like mixing. He's just like I've 2:20:53.200 --> 2:20:54.880 never been in a room with a guy that's rich before. 2:20:54.920 --> 2:20:55.440 It's crazy. 2:20:55.560 --> 2:20:58.080 Like you're in Vegas, go to a strip club, like. 2:20:59.600 --> 2:21:01.800 Like that's the beauty of Vegas. If you stay up 2:21:01.879 --> 2:21:05.160 late enough, you will get to watch a Saudi shake. Yeah, yeah, 2:21:05.200 --> 2:21:07.040 it was thirty dollars a crab. 2:21:07.120 --> 2:21:07.320 Stay. 2:21:07.480 --> 2:21:10.280 Just go to as table in like the Venetian Lot, 2:21:10.360 --> 2:21:12.640 So you will run into someone with too much money 2:21:12.640 --> 2:21:14.040 if that's really what you desire. 2:21:14.680 --> 2:21:17.840 But no, I mean I saw John McCain wants in 2:21:17.920 --> 2:21:20.720 the Venetian wild Cut. 2:21:22.080 --> 2:21:24.640 But that's like but otherwise it's just people that shouldn't 2:21:24.680 --> 2:21:26.240 have that much money that you've never met. 2:21:26.520 --> 2:21:27.600 Yeah, just burning it. 2:21:27.879 --> 2:21:29.600 Yeah, maybe didn't you have a lot of money. It 2:21:29.640 --> 2:21:30.240 wasn't his wife. 2:21:30.440 --> 2:21:31.280 His wife is very rich. 2:21:31.360 --> 2:21:31.440 Ye. 2:21:32.040 --> 2:21:33.840 Crazy. Now I think it's like I think it's like 2:21:34.040 --> 2:21:37.760 regional liquor wholesale money, like one of those like classic 2:21:37.840 --> 2:21:41.600 American gentry things where it's like kinds. Yeah, no, that's 2:21:41.680 --> 2:21:42.640 John Carrey's. 2:21:42.400 --> 2:21:44.280 Yes, right, the hides. 2:21:44.320 --> 2:21:46.680 I was like, I don't know people get rich anymore. 2:21:51.160 --> 2:21:54.760 John McCain is a fur trap I look forward to 2:21:54.800 --> 2:21:56.400 the CS fur trapping section. 2:21:56.800 --> 2:21:58.520 I prefer that background for him. 2:22:00.400 --> 2:22:01.280 I would love it if there's a. 2:22:01.840 --> 2:22:04.800 Kidnapped by beavers in the middle of the fair trapping expedition. 2:22:05.000 --> 2:22:06.560 They tortured him for five years. 2:22:08.240 --> 2:22:12.400 They don't like what we're doing. Not happy with it. Yeah, 2:22:12.400 --> 2:22:13.600 the word Vitnam was really just. 2:22:13.840 --> 2:22:17.600 Ugorging and ripping up those damn that's what it was. 2:22:17.959 --> 2:22:20.360 Oh, I wish tech was actually this fun though, because 2:22:20.400 --> 2:22:23.080 it's just like Greg Brockman going and talking to Lisa 2:22:23.160 --> 2:22:27.360 SuperM AMD just fucking just wobbling around, mumbling shit about 2:22:27.400 --> 2:22:30.080 compute and data centers that they can't build because they 2:22:30.160 --> 2:22:30.920 don't have credit. 2:22:31.240 --> 2:22:33.920 Like what is there exciting to say other than look 2:22:34.000 --> 2:22:35.680 at how much money we're worth and look at how 2:22:35.760 --> 2:22:36.600 much money we're making. 2:22:36.800 --> 2:22:38.040 But that was the thing with m video. 2:22:38.360 --> 2:22:41.480 They didn't talk about any any products, Like they didn't 2:22:41.480 --> 2:22:44.440 even talk about their own products. It's like it's the 2:22:44.560 --> 2:22:47.680 most egregious cafe I've ever seen because gone to the head. 2:22:47.720 --> 2:22:49.360 I don't think any of these that's not a threat 2:22:49.600 --> 2:22:51.640 gone to the head. I don't think these people are 2:22:52.680 --> 2:22:53.959 like actually have an answer. 2:22:54.560 --> 2:22:58.359 No, I mean because it's like there's not a solution 2:22:58.720 --> 2:23:01.480 financially to the sheer of money that's been invested, and 2:23:01.600 --> 2:23:05.600 like in Vidia is in the enviable position of like 2:23:06.000 --> 2:23:10.640 there the money they've made is like real people are 2:23:10.640 --> 2:23:16.040 actually buying chips that they made, but the industry supporting it. 2:23:16.360 --> 2:23:19.400 There's a lot of vapor and everyone's kind of aware 2:23:19.440 --> 2:23:21.160 that like at some point it's going to come crashing 2:23:21.200 --> 2:23:24.120 down to earth. And we had like a reality check 2:23:24.240 --> 2:23:26.200 in the last quarter of last year on Nvidiot, not 2:23:26.360 --> 2:23:29.400 all the way down, but like their their bubble got 2:23:29.920 --> 2:23:36.440 certainly deflated partially, and there's I think a growing awareness that, like, well, 2:23:36.480 --> 2:23:39.440 whatever happens with this, you know, even if the bubble 2:23:39.520 --> 2:23:43.400 never pops, even if AI doesn't like get sort of 2:23:43.480 --> 2:23:46.320 punctured in the way that people, including a lot of us, 2:23:46.600 --> 2:23:49.200 think it's going to in, Nvidia is not going to 2:23:49.320 --> 2:23:50.959 keep riding this high forever. 2:23:51.280 --> 2:23:54.320 And I don't know, there's not a graceful way for 2:23:54.400 --> 2:23:56.440 them to deal with that, but they're trying. 2:23:56.680 --> 2:24:01.360 They're trying doing this thing called the omnibus. Yeah, yeah, 2:24:01.520 --> 2:24:05.959 it's called the omniverse. They're calling it the omniverse. 2:24:06.560 --> 2:24:07.560 We love the omniverse. 2:24:08.600 --> 2:24:11.840 It's just it's just it's this whole bullshit thing. World 2:24:11.959 --> 2:24:14.120 Models is another thing. It's just a made up thing 2:24:14.200 --> 2:24:16.760 for will do simulations using GPUs now have to be. 2:24:16.800 --> 2:24:19.080 Confused with the metaverse, which is very different. 2:24:19.160 --> 2:24:19.920 This is Weir's. 2:24:22.160 --> 2:24:24.240 It reminds me this is a really deep cunt and 2:24:24.280 --> 2:24:27.160 anyone who remembers this please email me. There's a thing 2:24:27.200 --> 2:24:29.480 called the DC did called death Metal, where like the 2:24:29.520 --> 2:24:31.360 Batman who laughs, who's a joke of Batman? 2:24:31.520 --> 2:24:32.640 Just best to get past that. 2:24:33.320 --> 2:24:34.920 There's a bit in it where they meet a guy 2:24:35.200 --> 2:24:37.560 from there's a thing above the multiverse called the omniverse 2:24:37.600 --> 2:24:40.240 and he's just guy with the pumpkinhead and I remember 2:24:40.320 --> 2:24:42.880 reading the Omniverse and that it's just being like fuck off, 2:24:43.000 --> 2:24:45.120 just fucking and then but what it is is they 2:24:45.640 --> 2:24:48.520 buy compute from like Microsoft or Meta or sorry Microsoft, 2:24:48.560 --> 2:24:50.960 Google or Amazon and then rent it to people so 2:24:51.040 --> 2:24:54.920 they can run simulations using their Omniverse software. The information 2:24:55.080 --> 2:24:57.080 credit to them put out story today just being like yeah, 2:24:57.120 --> 2:24:59.120 it's not making any money and everyone hates it. And 2:24:59.240 --> 2:25:02.360 it was the first just half of a two hour 2:25:02.480 --> 2:25:05.640 long presentation and they're just like they've put it really well. 2:25:05.680 --> 2:25:07.959 It was like, yeah, here's a bunch of stuff. If 2:25:07.959 --> 2:25:09.240 we could do this, how goold would that be? 2:25:09.360 --> 2:25:12.920 And it's like none of it's real, right, it's so cool, 2:25:13.440 --> 2:25:15.840 And I think what they're trying to do is be like, look, 2:25:16.200 --> 2:25:18.680 you bought all these GPOs, what if you could do this, 2:25:19.000 --> 2:25:19.680 Well you can't. 2:25:20.000 --> 2:25:20.760 You can't do that. 2:25:20.879 --> 2:25:24.320 We cannot do this, but what if you could And 2:25:24.480 --> 2:25:26.520 it was so straight because everyone was you could hear 2:25:26.560 --> 2:25:27.480 people coughing in there. 2:25:27.600 --> 2:25:30.400 Yeah, people leave it people. Actually it was. 2:25:30.680 --> 2:25:32.760 Really strange, and then there was a tiny bit of 2:25:32.840 --> 2:25:35.320 AI stuff. It's really truly bizarre. 2:25:35.640 --> 2:25:36.640 I mean, it does feel like. 2:25:38.160 --> 2:25:40.720 People are starting to get sort of fed up with 2:25:41.160 --> 2:25:44.400 the lack the things that have not materialized that should 2:25:44.440 --> 2:25:47.560 have buy now. Yeah right, And I find you get 2:25:47.560 --> 2:25:49.879 a lot of you get a lot of pushback if 2:25:49.920 --> 2:25:51.880 you're like this is fake and this is bullshit, which 2:25:51.920 --> 2:25:53.959 is like my emotional opinion. But you get a lot 2:25:54.040 --> 2:25:57.320 less pushback if you're like, I just don't see how 2:25:57.440 --> 2:25:59.320 this can be worth as much money as it needs 2:25:59.400 --> 2:26:01.720 to be industry, and that you get a pretty broad 2:26:01.720 --> 2:26:05.960 agreement of like yeah, something like there's something fucky with that. 2:26:06.160 --> 2:26:07.720 That was the bit that I wound up coming out 2:26:07.720 --> 2:26:07.840 of it. 2:26:07.959 --> 2:26:10.240 Like, I think the big feeling that I felt afterwards, 2:26:10.280 --> 2:26:13.760 beyond like bored and hungry, was that, like I felt 2:26:13.800 --> 2:26:15.520 kind of sad about it because it's like it's clear 2:26:15.560 --> 2:26:17.960 that there's like there is all of this capacity to 2:26:18.240 --> 2:26:21.520 do all of this like computational stuff that you couldn't 2:26:21.520 --> 2:26:24.480 really do before. But there's not any sense of like 2:26:25.040 --> 2:26:26.880 what that's for or what you're going to do. 2:26:26.959 --> 2:26:30.960 It's just computer psych Well, and I think, and this 2:26:31.160 --> 2:26:33.800 is me, there's a degree to which I'm not even 2:26:33.840 --> 2:26:37.000 fully confident what I'm saying here, but I get. 2:26:36.879 --> 2:26:38.960 The sports ter go off. 2:26:39.240 --> 2:26:42.800 I get the feeling, and have read some accounts that 2:26:42.879 --> 2:26:45.600 make me believe that there are applications for a lot 2:26:45.680 --> 2:26:48.039 of this, a lot of like a what gets broadly 2:26:48.120 --> 2:26:52.200 lumped in on as AI in like different kinds of 2:26:52.360 --> 2:26:53.279 like medical. 2:26:53.000 --> 2:26:56.000 Science exactly, and nothing that's going to make this company 2:26:56.160 --> 2:26:58.560 worth fifteen trillion dollars or whatever. 2:26:58.520 --> 2:27:00.840 And nothing that does anything on it. It's not the 2:27:00.959 --> 2:27:02.560 AI will come up with the medicine. 2:27:02.560 --> 2:27:05.600 It's like, no, the AI is capable of like brute 2:27:05.680 --> 2:27:08.800 forcing its way through analyte doing a lot of like 2:27:08.920 --> 2:27:12.000 theoretical tests or analyzing like a huge amount of data. 2:27:12.040 --> 2:27:15.800 And if you build a model specifically to deal with 2:27:15.920 --> 2:27:17.880 like this kind of medical data, that it can be 2:27:19.160 --> 2:27:22.080 a time saving tool that allows you to do other things, 2:27:22.520 --> 2:27:25.240 which is not a sexy thing. And the way that 2:27:25.440 --> 2:27:28.760 like AI is going to cure cancer is and it's 2:27:28.800 --> 2:27:30.760 not sexy to be like, well, AI will allow us 2:27:30.840 --> 2:27:35.920 to prototype more efficiently different kinds of like materials to 2:27:35.959 --> 2:27:38.160 make holes of spacecraft out of, and maybe that will 2:27:38.160 --> 2:27:40.600 speed up the process of developing these things, which is 2:27:40.680 --> 2:27:43.800 like a thing that theoretically might happen, and that's not 2:27:43.920 --> 2:27:45.800 as sexy as like AI is going to figure out 2:27:45.800 --> 2:27:46.879 how to take us into space. 2:27:48.080 --> 2:27:49.039 And this conversation is. 2:27:49.000 --> 2:27:51.080 Also so fucking old at this point, right, that bit 2:27:51.120 --> 2:27:53.199 of it where it's sort of like I'm so aware 2:27:53.240 --> 2:27:54.480 of the thing where it's like it's going to be 2:27:54.520 --> 2:27:56.280 able to think for itself and it's going to like 2:27:56.840 --> 2:27:59.640 fix We're not going to need to have jobs anymore, right, 2:28:00.000 --> 2:28:01.920 And then like eventually like you work your way back 2:28:01.959 --> 2:28:04.280 from that to like protein folding. Right, I don't know 2:28:04.320 --> 2:28:07.040 what protein folding is. Apparently AI is extremely good at sure, 2:28:07.240 --> 2:28:09.760 but it's like you can't talk about that because nobody 2:28:09.800 --> 2:28:11.520 knows what protein folding is. But when you talk about 2:28:11.520 --> 2:28:13.640 the other shit, it makes me, for one thing, doubt 2:28:13.680 --> 2:28:15.320 that it's any good at protein folding. 2:28:15.400 --> 2:28:15.520 Right. 2:28:15.760 --> 2:28:18.200 You know it's because protein folding is a totally like 2:28:18.320 --> 2:28:21.000 it's not even LLM drew, it's not even GPU's machine 2:28:21.080 --> 2:28:22.960 learning shit. Yeah, And it's the thing is with it, 2:28:23.320 --> 2:28:26.600 like the medical example as well. They're doing that already. Again, 2:28:26.720 --> 2:28:29.760 it's only kind of lllms, but not really. And it's 2:28:29.920 --> 2:28:32.440 just to your point about we've had this one before. 2:28:32.600 --> 2:28:35.920 I'm pretty sure I heard this conversation lot, not even 2:28:35.920 --> 2:28:38.320 from us, like I've heard some version of this. Were 2:28:38.320 --> 2:28:40.720 sitting around being like, yeah, you know it might be 2:28:40.800 --> 2:28:44.640 good for this when because before the Nvidio thing, we 2:28:44.720 --> 2:28:46.680 had this panel with these people who were just saying 2:28:46.760 --> 2:28:50.320 stuff that slowly was driving me insane and I was 2:28:50.400 --> 2:28:52.880 getting ready. I was I eventually just started muttering to 2:28:52.920 --> 2:28:53.400 myself like. 2:28:53.440 --> 2:28:54.120 A crazy person. 2:28:54.200 --> 2:28:56.840 But there was just the CEO of a Bridge, which 2:28:56.920 --> 2:28:58.920 is an AI scribe for doctors. 2:28:59.200 --> 2:29:02.080 You're saying, a bridge, how did you get that job? 2:29:02.240 --> 2:29:03.360 Just a single bridge? 2:29:03.400 --> 2:29:07.160 And he kept trying to sell me yeah, and he 2:29:07.320 --> 2:29:10.160 was just talking about just would salad on wood salad, 2:29:10.360 --> 2:29:12.960 trying to get around the fact that his AI just 2:29:13.000 --> 2:29:14.120 transcribes what doc to. 2:29:14.160 --> 2:29:18.279 Say, and it's just like, who fucking can't. 2:29:18.560 --> 2:29:19.960 Right, Well, it's one of those things where it's like 2:29:20.000 --> 2:29:22.640 I think doctors would like that, but you can't. For 2:29:22.760 --> 2:29:24.560 his business to be worth which I believe you looked 2:29:24.600 --> 2:29:27.440 it up, was like five billion dollars, yeah, five point 2:29:27.520 --> 2:29:29.040 five billion. It's like, in order for it to work, 2:29:29.120 --> 2:29:32.280 it also has to like to justify that valuation. It 2:29:32.360 --> 2:29:35.080 has to make evaluations like no doctor wants it to 2:29:35.120 --> 2:29:36.760 fucking do that. They're doctors. 2:29:37.120 --> 2:29:40.720 Yeah, and it's it's just it's almost cliche. Yeah, it's 2:29:40.760 --> 2:29:41.680 being forced into anything. 2:29:41.720 --> 2:29:44.600 I was mentioning on the earliest, like Microsoft today it's 2:29:44.680 --> 2:29:46.640 no longer office, it's co pilot. 2:29:46.760 --> 2:29:47.280 Like, fuck you. 2:29:47.440 --> 2:29:49.720 I how many times that I said, no, I'm not 2:29:50.040 --> 2:29:52.720 using co pilot. You're trying to force me. 2:29:52.959 --> 2:29:54.800 That's amazing that they just like they've got such a 2:29:54.879 --> 2:29:57.439 bet on their hands that they're like, uh, the Batman. 2:29:57.200 --> 2:30:01.480 Movies are now the Avengers or whatever. It's like to 2:30:01.600 --> 2:30:03.400 some other like Google did that already. 2:30:03.440 --> 2:30:06.440 They changed Google Assistant to Google Gemini, and they're like 2:30:06.680 --> 2:30:08.279 four hundred million activities. 2:30:08.360 --> 2:30:10.280 And they're going to do the same thing with fucking 2:30:10.320 --> 2:30:11.800 co pilot, where it's like, look at all these people 2:30:11.879 --> 2:30:13.640 know we're all using fucking word and Excel. 2:30:13.800 --> 2:30:15.160 Well, what's funny, though, is they're not going to be 2:30:15.200 --> 2:30:17.000 able to do that because I have fucking Microsoft's numbers, 2:30:17.160 --> 2:30:18.120 I have Microsoft's revenues. 2:30:18.120 --> 2:30:19.800 I'm coming out with at the end of January. Frank, 2:30:19.879 --> 2:30:21.280 sure you fucking wants some email me. 2:30:21.520 --> 2:30:24.480 Yeah, and I already have hub Copilo's revenue to fucker 2:30:25.320 --> 2:30:28.000 like that's the thing like these I'm fucking sick of 2:30:28.120 --> 2:30:31.480 this because people are being lied to, not just doing 2:30:31.520 --> 2:30:33.360 an episode of but I guess this is the showm recording. 2:30:33.440 --> 2:30:35.360 But it's just walking around hearing they put. 2:30:35.680 --> 2:30:37.840 The thing that made me actually snap on their trip 2:30:38.000 --> 2:30:40.959 was they put Nano Banana in a television and I'm just. 2:30:41.040 --> 2:30:45.680 Look, you get a Cobert what is it's a three 2:30:45.720 --> 2:30:46.400 straight episodes. 2:30:46.480 --> 2:30:48.800 It's an image generate a model from Google that they 2:30:48.879 --> 2:30:51.320 called the World's dumbest fucking name because they insist on 2:30:52.080 --> 2:30:56.000 making me literally its name Yanana Banana and Nana Banana 2:30:56.040 --> 2:30:59.440 proa and. 2:30:59.480 --> 2:31:01.320 None of ban television. 2:31:01.400 --> 2:31:02.840 They should make up the version that you have to 2:31:02.879 --> 2:31:04.400 pay for. It should just have a normal. 2:31:04.240 --> 2:31:06.959 Nan no Banana pro three plus. 2:31:07.160 --> 2:31:10.480 I think it's just it just shows loathing for the customer, 2:31:10.720 --> 2:31:14.360 like you little anything, Nano you fucking pigs. 2:31:14.720 --> 2:31:19.160 I think they're probably it's probably jealousy and some fomo 2:31:19.280 --> 2:31:22.160 at Elon musk Warble, he gives his stuff really funny stupid. 2:31:22.720 --> 2:31:25.680 Maybe that's why that's the secret. Maybe we'll get some 2:31:25.760 --> 2:31:29.240 of that epic two. Yeah yeah, maybe. 2:31:31.000 --> 2:31:32.600 Maybe they can copy the other things. 2:31:33.760 --> 2:31:34.400 And then. 2:31:36.120 --> 2:31:40.120 Plus plus yeah Mercedes, oh yeah yeah. They had a 2:31:40.160 --> 2:31:42.920 whole thing with a panel with Mercedes. 2:31:42.760 --> 2:31:46.680 And this guy from Skilled AI who was like one robot, 2:31:46.800 --> 2:31:48.959 one brain, one purpose or some. 2:31:50.840 --> 2:31:53.000 One was also sitting up there he was. 2:31:57.120 --> 2:32:00.720 It was just one panel. It was just of just people, 2:32:00.840 --> 2:32:04.840 just like all in varying stages of concussion protocol, just 2:32:05.000 --> 2:32:08.040 like just like saying ship to each other and Sarah 2:32:08.120 --> 2:32:11.680 grow the specie spent. So when AI is powerful and 2:32:11.760 --> 2:32:14.480 large language models, would that be interesting? And the guy 2:32:14.560 --> 2:32:18.840 going I agree, they would be powerful and indeed in robots. 2:32:19.160 --> 2:32:19.400 Yeah. 2:32:19.800 --> 2:32:22.480 It was just in and people around's going yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:32:22.560 --> 2:32:23.040 yeah that is. 2:32:23.160 --> 2:32:25.120 I loved that little chat when this was going on, 2:32:26.640 --> 2:32:29.320 where the guy was like, you know, we're making bass 2:32:29.400 --> 2:32:33.400 layers by watching oh yeah yeah and then practicing. That's 2:32:33.800 --> 2:32:36.440 how you learned to do any real task. Aus everyone knows, 2:32:36.720 --> 2:32:38.720 and it's just you watch a YouTube video of three 2:32:38.760 --> 2:32:39.480 thousand times. 2:32:39.680 --> 2:32:41.680 Yeah, just I can't think of any other run now 2:32:41.800 --> 2:32:42.600 and base layering. 2:32:42.680 --> 2:32:46.160 Yeah yeah, I'm watching Jamal Crawford, the sickest buckets. 2:32:46.240 --> 2:32:47.440 Yeah, twenty two minutes. 2:32:47.480 --> 2:32:52.279 I'm watching un Expected lebron edits five minutes. 2:32:53.600 --> 2:32:57.199 It's just so strange as well, because I've been fucked 2:32:57.200 --> 2:32:58.080 with a lot in my life. 2:32:58.480 --> 2:32:59.960 It just feels like we're being fucked. 2:33:00.280 --> 2:33:03.160 Yeah, it's just like a weird we're not even ConA this, 2:33:03.280 --> 2:33:05.400 but just like everyone's just like this taunting. 2:33:05.680 --> 2:33:08.800 Yeah, something that's so dispiriting is that, like I can 2:33:08.959 --> 2:33:11.960 tell you're not even you're you're past the point where 2:33:11.959 --> 2:33:14.600 you think you have to even work to life, Like 2:33:14.760 --> 2:33:18.600 you're just being lazy, like we all know everyone, like 2:33:18.680 --> 2:33:22.840 the majority of people found copalad annoying and said no repeatedly. 2:33:23.000 --> 2:33:24.920 And you want to be able to claim everyone using 2:33:24.959 --> 2:33:28.360 an office product is using AI to trick your shareholders. 2:33:28.400 --> 2:33:31.600 So you're just fucking changing it and like there's nothing, 2:33:31.720 --> 2:33:33.959 there's not any more thought to it than that you're 2:33:34.040 --> 2:33:36.320 not at all scared of regulators. You don't give a 2:33:36.400 --> 2:33:38.520 fuck about what the people paying to use your product. 2:33:38.920 --> 2:33:42.200 And that's just it's dispiriting because like, yeah, there is 2:33:42.280 --> 2:33:44.760 nothing I can do right, Like I could I could 2:33:44.840 --> 2:33:49.160 switch my operator my my like uh my word processor, 2:33:49.280 --> 2:33:52.560 I guess and probably will at some point this year. 2:33:52.640 --> 2:33:55.240 It just means embracing a pain in the ass of 2:33:55.320 --> 2:33:58.360 like switching a bunch of stuff around. But at this 2:33:58.480 --> 2:34:00.280 point I think it's worth it because I'm an annoyed 2:34:00.360 --> 2:34:02.560 at you, like you've annoyed me enough, and I don't 2:34:02.560 --> 2:34:04.760 think that's going to impact Microsoft's bottom line. I don't 2:34:04.760 --> 2:34:06.600 think enough people are going to switch for it to matter. 2:34:07.200 --> 2:34:08.640 It's just again dispiriting. 2:34:08.959 --> 2:34:11.640 Also, no one's gonna call it co Pilot. 2:34:12.440 --> 2:34:13.400 They're gonna call it a name. 2:34:13.440 --> 2:34:15.320 They're gonna call it Microsoft Office because you're going to 2:34:15.360 --> 2:34:20.520 say it to like a grandma word using fucking COVID dipship. 2:34:20.640 --> 2:34:23.520 It is so cool we now have software that's deliberately annoying. 2:34:23.879 --> 2:34:25.280 It's just like, hey, hey, do you want to you 2:34:25.320 --> 2:34:26.440 want to use co pilot? 2:34:26.680 --> 2:34:27.520 You want to you want this? 2:34:27.600 --> 2:34:27.920 To write it? 2:34:28.200 --> 2:34:31.280 I'm fucking writing it. I'm writing it. Please leave me alone. No, 2:34:31.640 --> 2:34:34.000 I use Apple Notes now, not because I like it, 2:34:34.120 --> 2:34:35.440 but because it doesn't just. 2:34:37.360 --> 2:34:37.800 Document. 2:34:37.959 --> 2:34:42.280 The problem is every big player in consumer technology right 2:34:42.360 --> 2:34:47.080 now has attained and is expressing the exact vibes of 2:34:47.320 --> 2:34:51.440 like a guy that you would cover your drink around. Yeah, right, 2:34:51.760 --> 2:34:54.119 where it's like they're just it's just this constant pressure 2:34:54.160 --> 2:34:57.600 and const like hey, hey, hey, yeah, you know what, 2:34:58.240 --> 2:34:59.600 once you come sit with me, I'm just gonna sit 2:34:59.640 --> 2:35:01.560 down next I'm just gonna hang out with you. Like 2:35:01.800 --> 2:35:05.320 it's it's this, I've said no so many times and 2:35:05.480 --> 2:35:09.240 you are not at all listening. And that's how using 2:35:09.400 --> 2:35:10.480 technology feels. 2:35:10.879 --> 2:35:11.720 And I hate it. 2:35:12.440 --> 2:35:14.800 I mean that is and that's a good good way 2:35:14.879 --> 2:35:16.480 to kind of like wrap up the episode as well. 2:35:16.520 --> 2:35:18.360 But I think that's what the theme of CE as 2:35:18.400 --> 2:35:21.600 opposed to be this year. It's just like obtrusive stuff. 2:35:22.160 --> 2:35:24.640 How like the I know I keep saying no, no, 2:35:24.680 --> 2:35:26.840 no banana. The reason this has driven me insane is 2:35:26.879 --> 2:35:30.120 it's like, I don't need the TV to generate images. 2:35:30.959 --> 2:35:32.560 I'm watching the television and. 2:35:32.680 --> 2:35:34.840 You try it, Yeah, maybe you like it? What TV 2:35:35.000 --> 2:35:37.879 was a computer too, though I do nan banana. 2:35:37.600 --> 2:35:39.240 Pro offers many features that aren't available. 2:35:39.959 --> 2:35:44.160 Not a banana con generate of winning. It's just like 2:35:44.640 --> 2:35:47.720 not aa like. And also, what kind of fucking freak 2:35:48.360 --> 2:35:50.040 is sitting there being like I want my television to 2:35:50.120 --> 2:35:50.800 generate an image. 2:35:50.879 --> 2:35:53.160 No, if you try and do that, your television should break. 2:35:53.400 --> 2:35:56.760 Yes, hey, I know you're putting on a torrented copy 2:35:56.800 --> 2:35:59.160 of Star Trek the Next Generation to watch while you 2:35:59.320 --> 2:36:01.800 cry yet again, what if rakers? 2:36:01.920 --> 2:36:10.560 Dick was out fucking freaks Google, but that wol that 2:36:10.640 --> 2:36:12.599 get you to start saying Gemini. 2:36:14.320 --> 2:36:16.640 If for that. 2:36:18.240 --> 2:36:20.640 During emotional blackmail and it's wrong. 2:36:21.040 --> 2:36:23.160 And before we wrap as well, Robert I have said 2:36:23.200 --> 2:36:25.040 this earlier in the episode as well, But there was 2:36:25.080 --> 2:36:27.680 a bit where in video as Jensen one was talking 2:36:27.720 --> 2:36:30.880 to two robots just like and he was like, this 2:36:31.120 --> 2:36:33.800 is how we make you this from And it turns 2:36:33.840 --> 2:36:37.160 out it was from like the Fallen Order, like the 2:36:37.320 --> 2:36:41.120 second of the games with cocasts with the yeah, with 2:36:41.200 --> 2:36:43.240 the guy from what Shameless? 2:36:43.800 --> 2:36:49.360 Oh yeah, this is Shameless, the Joker, the Joker, Yeah, 2:36:49.440 --> 2:36:49.840 that guy. 2:36:50.080 --> 2:36:53.160 And it's like I did not I'm a big Star 2:36:53.240 --> 2:36:55.280 Wars head, but of like the actual Star Wars stuff, 2:36:55.320 --> 2:36:58.600 and it's like, okay, and how much did you pay 2:36:58.680 --> 2:37:00.880 like a million dollars for that? But you know that 2:37:00.920 --> 2:37:03.120 they were like, what's the cheapest one, what's the. 2:37:03.200 --> 2:37:04.680 Cheap get one of the games? 2:37:04.840 --> 2:37:05.600 Yeah, we get one. 2:37:06.120 --> 2:37:07.680 We'll give you one of the what's that game from 2:37:07.680 --> 2:37:09.400 the N sixty four A game? I bet he's cheap. 2:37:10.040 --> 2:37:10.920 Kyle Katan. 2:37:12.520 --> 2:37:16.160 Just immediately, don't remember anything but Kyle Katan. Oh. 2:37:16.320 --> 2:37:17.400 Let's sign off from there. 2:37:17.480 --> 2:37:20.520 All right, David Rath, thank you so much for joining 2:37:20.640 --> 2:37:22.600 us to be here from Defector. We'll have you in 2:37:22.680 --> 2:37:25.520 the episode. Notes Robert Evans, You'll be back. 2:37:25.959 --> 2:37:27.840 Will be back, Yeah, I'll be here all week. 2:37:27.959 --> 2:37:30.160 Hell yeah, and Edwin and Graso Junior who also be 2:37:30.320 --> 2:37:30.880 hit all week. 2:37:31.080 --> 2:37:31.880 I will, I will. 2:37:32.040 --> 2:37:33.760 And then to wrap the episode, so before we go, 2:37:33.800 --> 2:37:35.400 I want to talk about something we'll be doing at 2:37:35.400 --> 2:37:37.560 the end of every episode. So back, So just a 2:37:37.600 --> 2:37:39.720 little history on the suite back would be. Our firm 2:37:39.840 --> 2:37:41.520 used to have this suite and have journals come in 2:37:42.240 --> 2:37:45.000 and back since the late twenty tens. 2:37:45.040 --> 2:37:45.400 We did this. 2:37:45.959 --> 2:37:47.680 We had journals come in and there was a blow 2:37:47.720 --> 2:37:49.160 called Sean Paul Adams who kind of visit it was 2:37:49.200 --> 2:37:50.080 good mate and mine, good mate. 2:37:50.120 --> 2:37:52.000 My friend passed last year. 2:37:52.240 --> 2:37:54.400 I want to order him by encouraging you to donate 2:37:54.400 --> 2:37:56.800 to the Pediatric Epilepsy Research Consortium. 2:37:56.879 --> 2:38:00.200 Shanpault signed his epileptic and his family deeply appreciate it. 2:38:00.520 --> 2:38:03.160 He was also would be. He's deeply misplaced friends and family. 2:38:03.160 --> 2:38:04.760 He's one of the highlights of the Sweet when he visited. 2:38:04.920 --> 2:38:06.360 So yeah, I'll love a link in the show notes 2:38:06.600 --> 2:38:07.720 will be here all week. 2:38:07.800 --> 2:38:08.199 Everyone. 2:38:08.280 --> 2:38:10.680 Thank you so much for sticking with us from this episode, 2:38:11.360 --> 2:38:13.520 and yeah, we'll have two more tomorrow and every day 2:38:13.879 --> 2:38:15.160 on Saturday, we'll just have one. 2:38:15.400 --> 2:38:17.199 Cheers everyone, Bye. 2:38:17.200 --> 2:38:18.119 Go with guards. 2:38:26.520 --> 2:38:28.880 Thank you for listening to Better Offline. The editor and 2:38:28.959 --> 2:38:32.120 composer of the Better Offline theme song is Mattasowski. 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