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Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going? Hell? Yeah? And Matt Bender of

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Speaker 2: Mashaball welcome back. Man.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's great to be here. This is like an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it counts, It counts. So today I thought the

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Speaker 1: watched some shit in my time, and I was I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you were bored and upset, and I was bored

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Speaker 1: about the about the keynote, don't expect that. Do not

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Speaker 1: Every single thing he announced today was either three or

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Speaker 2: Like you hogs want to see a line go on?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is it? Like you little Saint.

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Speaker 1: how we're beginning to see as twenty twenty six. Robert

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Speaker 1: Evans isn't even here, and I'm like, okay, we've got

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Speaker 1: to change the subject.

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Speaker 4: Right created a version of the game missed would be

447
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Speaker 4: sent to jail for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 2: Or or a job this is senior pro manager.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're willing to.

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Speaker 1: Jesus fucking Christ, I thought this show would be normal.

451
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Speaker 2: It wasn't. Did you catch it?

452
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Speaker 4: There was a Grock cameo in the just and long

453
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Speaker 4: presentation like multimodal. Yeah he was, So he's using this

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Speaker 4: as an example to show what the technology could do.

455
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Speaker 4: And it was just like, sorry, the stomach sound hell yeah?

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Speaker 2: What was it? Was it? The stuff that came out

457
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Speaker 2: this week?

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Speaker 4: I love but it was funny to see, like, given

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Speaker 4: that that is like I think that everybody's first thought

460
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Speaker 4: on what is.

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Speaker 2: This bragging about working with Palenteer.

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Speaker 4: I mean, all the bad guys are getting Palentiner.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they heard this year, but they've

464
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Speaker 3: been at pastes showing off their armed vehicles and everything.

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Speaker 4: They they're there.

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Speaker 2: They don't make calmed vehicles.

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Speaker 3: They were that evil sales space that I don't go

468
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Speaker 3: to this Palentiner booth. But the years I've seen them,

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Speaker 3: they face masks.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over the and just be like, may

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Speaker 1: you go any guns? Like a borro, and they just

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Speaker 1: stop asking them for can you phone? I'm just downloading Gronk,

473
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Speaker 1: just downloading Gronk for real. Oh it's already here.

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Speaker 2: What do you lost it? Oh my god? But like

475
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Speaker 2: moving aggressively on from the subject.

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Speaker 4: Seeking of children, I saw lego.

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Speaker 2: That was the segway I was trying to go for.

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Speaker 1: But then we got into the little gens in the omnivors.

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Speaker 2: Like consimulate Jesus, little Lego.

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Speaker 6: So this is he wouldn't got caught if you had Domniverse.

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Speaker 6: I think that's probably what their salespan.

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Speaker 2: Would have been.

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Speaker 4: Surprised that said that. The people cheered.

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Speaker 5: When they said that that was weird. That was weird.

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Speaker 1: Didn't want to get cart and the little robots came

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Speaker 1: on and yeah, that was before we move on to Lego.

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Speaker 1: That was the strangest part of this thing. So, Matt,

488
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Speaker 1: you haven't seen this. There was a bit and he

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Speaker 1: apparently did this last year where he had had a

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Speaker 1: little robot walk out. This year he had two. It

491
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Speaker 1: was the same kind you used, had two of them,

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Speaker 1: and it was bizarre. For ten minutes, he was just

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Speaker 1: like kneeling down and going like and this is how

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Speaker 1: we're going to build you. This is how we're going

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Speaker 1: to build robots in the omnivose.

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Speaker 2: It was so weird.

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Speaker 1: And like, you are the CEO of the largest company

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Speaker 1: on the stock mark. Your company has like got a

499
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Speaker 1: four trillion dollar market cap. Everyone's buying these seventy thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars GPUs from you, and you're sitting being like, hi, little.

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Speaker 2: Robot, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing a twenty five thousand dollars there the jackets

503
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Speaker 1: hi much?

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Speaker 6: You think he paid Disney for to use those two

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Speaker 6: robots from Star Wars file in order?

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Speaker 2: They were? They from Star Wars yea, the Star Wars

507
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Speaker 2: their their Jedi filling order.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, that was the cheapest, like he went and

509
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Speaker 1: got like wow from Lucas, So what's what's the cheapest

510
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Speaker 1: robot you'll get.

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Speaker 3: What makes that crazy is apparently Disney gave these random robots,

512
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Speaker 3: whereas I got C three PO and R two D two.

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Speaker 4: And Chewbacca showing up at the Lego events.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got there.

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Speaker 1: We got there, so we got the mandolay bayed thinking

516
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Speaker 1: CESM veil was today. It was not flawless organization as

517
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Speaker 1: usual for me and I walk in and it's I's

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Speaker 1: just the Chewbacca room.

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Speaker 6: I picked through the doors, see Chewbacca. I see some rebels.

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Speaker 4: Up there and we're like, well, you know, sorry about

521
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Speaker 4: that opened the door at a bar. Yeah, so they

522
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Speaker 4: just long brings out the blow job bear from the

523
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Speaker 4: Shining Why would he do that? There's no reason for

524
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Speaker 4: that bear to be on stage multi.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that partnership with Rock is pulling. Okay, please, let's

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Speaker 2: talk about the small Lego Lego.

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Speaker 3: I will say, So Lego, who's making their CS debut,

528
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Speaker 3: They've never done this before, really, Yeah, So Lego actually

529
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Speaker 3: had something pretty interesting where it's this. It's their new product,

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Speaker 3: a smart brick in their smart play platform. And they

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Speaker 3: basically took a silicon chip that's small is what they said,

532
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Speaker 3: smaller than one stud on a Lego that's cool, and

533
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Speaker 3: they put it inside a brick and you connect this

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Speaker 3: brick onto your Lego creations, your Lego characters, and this

535
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Speaker 3: chip basically, this this smart brick basically has sensors and

536
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Speaker 3: accelerometers and it could track color and sound and distance

537
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Speaker 3: and direction, and it basically brings your Lego creations and

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Speaker 3: characters to life. So one example they gave in the

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Speaker 3: demo was they put uh, this smart brick on a

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Speaker 3: little airplane Lego creation, and then they put a airplane

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Speaker 3: pilot character on top of that plane. And when they

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Speaker 3: were flying it around, the plane was making like whosh

543
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Speaker 3: and all like engine noises. And then the guy turns

544
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Speaker 3: the plane upside down and the airplane pilot starts to.

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Speaker 4: Scream, and this is the audio is coming out of.

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Speaker 3: This smart I mean it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I mean from like I we're going to allow you

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Speaker 2: to you like I figure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they were really playing that up too.

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Speaker 3: They were saying, you know, if you run your Lego

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Speaker 3: over with your Lego character over with a car like

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Speaker 3: be sound. The guy was getting great joy out of

554
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Speaker 3: mutilating these leg.

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Speaker 2: Characters and the Legos Soul collection.

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Speaker 6: If you told me as a child, wow, wouldn't you

557
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Speaker 6: love a computer inside of this? If you told me

558
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Speaker 6: my bionicle would be better if it had a computer,

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Speaker 6: and I would have set it on fire.

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Speaker 3: I like the antithetical, but like you know, I was

561
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Speaker 3: thinking about this, and like I guess, for like other

562
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Speaker 3: toys where you just buy a toy and it's already

563
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Speaker 3: built for you and then you add this other stuff,

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Speaker 3: I guess you can argue it's taking away from kids imagination.

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Speaker 4: But with Lego they still have to build this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so like the smart brick is just adding

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Speaker 3: an extra like I guess, like feature to it that

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Speaker 3: helps their imagination.

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Speaker 5: Lego is not going to take away.

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid.

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Speaker 4: It also has a kind of feels like it's for

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Speaker 4: adults more than yes, for kids.

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Speaker 2: This is for the man babies, the buying childre that's

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Speaker 2: that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: They announced the first Lego smart play play sets that

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Speaker 3: come with these smart bricks, and that's where Chewy and

577
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: C three P O and R two D two come in.

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Speaker 3: The first play sets with this technology will be three

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Speaker 3: Star Wars play sets, the Tie Fighter, the X Wing,

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Speaker 3: and the Emperor's Throne Room where you can have a

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Speaker 3: lightsaber battle.

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Speaker 6: George Lucas was not joking when he said that selling

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Speaker 6: Star Wars to Disney was like selling his children to slavers,

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Speaker 6: because they are gonna be working these guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that Slave the Slave Layer playset will be coming

586
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Speaker 3: out soon.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, what sounds does that one? Just like I've

588
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Speaker 1: always wanted to make my Lego figures screaming.

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Speaker 6: There'll be a job to sound very lightly in the

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Speaker 6: background of whatever Lea says.

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Speaker 2: I Like, they're just like.

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Speaker 1: I think the theme of CS from everything I've read

593
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Speaker 1: so far is we've run out of ideas, Like it

594
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Speaker 1: kind of felt like that last year, but this year

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Speaker 1: it's like Jensen Huong doing his his just retread of everything,

596
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Speaker 1: and like I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, what the fuck to what do we put?

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Speaker 2: Why we release more legos?

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00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: I guess they could make What if the lego figures

600
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Speaker 1: could feel pain?

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00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: What if you could re enact your witness to a

602
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: great becoming scene from Manhunter with your legos.

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00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: In this place in the guard of the Vita in

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Speaker 2: the background after his changing.

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Speaker 4: Do you see it's nice?

606
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't think we I thought we'd

607
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Speaker 1: wait until Tuesday for the Man Hunter.

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Speaker 5: You could do like.

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00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: Day, I gotta get it in.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy. I'm very happy to hear this.

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Speaker 1: Most of the content, not so much like I didn't

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Speaker 1: think we'd get to see some this quickly.

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Speaker 4: But the thing that's interesting, though, to Matt's point, I

614
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Speaker 4: want to skip you if you're trying to say, is

615
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Speaker 4: that it feels like I agree that it feels like

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Speaker 4: to a certain extent, there's a deficit of new ideas.

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Speaker 4: But and again, as like an o who doesn't generally

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Speaker 4: cover this, like just as what it is, that's an

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Speaker 4: impressive thing.

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Speaker 3: To me, right, and also in a world where we

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Speaker 3: just talked about everything we just talked about, like the

622
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Speaker 3: lego stuff actually feels like a breath of fresh air

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Speaker 3: where it's a company that actually is focused on I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously they want to make money, but it's also focused

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Speaker 3: on let's build this stuff for kids and also adults

626
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Speaker 3: that have this nostalgia love for Lego and it's harmless

627
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Speaker 3: and fun.

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00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: I mean the home which is to the people. But

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Speaker 2: the Legos like the.

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Speaker 4: Legos likeily Legos don't feel yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's what That's what I like, And that would

632
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Speaker 1: have been if I was in there putting my hand up.

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Speaker 2: Can they feel the no again?

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Speaker 6: Okay, so you got got a Lego set which has

635
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Speaker 6: a massive computer of the center. It's going to do

636
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Speaker 6: inference on device.

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00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: On device pains for your Legos.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The suffering you can make your Legos experience is distinct.

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Speaker 7: Now any historical event where people felt pain like it's

641
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Speaker 7: I don't know, I I want to be excited about it,

642
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 7: but it's just I look at it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, you don't have you you could build

644
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: literally anything. That's the point of Lego and the like, well, fuck,

645
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: we can't build. We have no more ideas of that.

646
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: We just have noises. Again, maybe I'm being too cynical.

647
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: Okay, they're coming up with new ideas for like you

648
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: can build a big boat, you know, like there's stuff

649
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: like that is in there trying to I'm sorry, so Gurgley,

650
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: there's something about like that seems additive. I guess it's

651
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: like a little silly to me. But that's I mean,

652
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: it's the same way.

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Speaker 3: What is it interesting is it's it's the same lego

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Speaker 3: brick for everything. Like it's not like, oh, this is

655
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: the specific smart brick for that Star Wars.

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Speaker 2: That's not bad.

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00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: You can you can take the same brick and connect

658
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Speaker 3: it to an airplane and it knows it's an airplane.

659
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: Now do we take that same brick and connected to

660
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Speaker 3: Star Wars set. It knows which Star Wars character is

661
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Speaker 3: connected to or which Star Wars vehicle it's on. It's

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Speaker 3: this one brick that you could use for everything. If

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Speaker 3: you have multiple bricks, they interact. One interesting thing I

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Speaker 3: thought was like if your kids are like racing their

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Speaker 3: their smart brick attached cars, and like there's a smart

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Speaker 3: brick like finish line creation, it'll it'll track which one

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Speaker 3: actually gets to the finish line first and let you

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Speaker 3: know by the color of the vehicle, Like it'll flash

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Speaker 3: that color of the winning vehicle, so.

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Speaker 2: The kids can't argue and fight over who actually won.

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Speaker 6: The smart brick tells the part that's a key part

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Speaker 6: of any race is fighting over.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna wrap this block for now.

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Speaker 1: We of course have Matt Bender from Mashable, Adam Grayser

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Speaker 1: Junior from the Tech Bubble Newsletter, and David Roth from DEFECTA.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back off these ads, which I endorse

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Speaker 1: all of I am sure that there will be one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the volunteer one about the death machine. That's that's that's.

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Speaker 4: Programming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got they got it mixed up.

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Speaker 5: They did the other ad, which is me instead.

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Speaker 2: Of this machine kills Diane.

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Speaker 1: I'm entering the city of Las Vegas, Nevada for the

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Speaker 1: Consumer Electronics Show. This is ed Zitron, of course, is

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Speaker 1: better offline. We're back here at CS and I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by the wonderful Scott Stein from CNET.

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Speaker 2: Scott, How you doing?

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Speaker 8: Hey great? Hey great? And I'm burnt out is how

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Speaker 8: I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, man, I just watched two hours of Jensen

693
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Speaker 1: Huang going off, so you're in good company. Matt Binder,

694
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Speaker 1: of course, from Mashable, great to be here and mister

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Speaker 1: David rolthrom DEFECTA Hello, So are you going to start

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Speaker 1: with you, Scott, because I want to talk about these

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Speaker 1: x real glasses.

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Speaker 2: Complete subject change.

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Speaker 1: Well you can get back to Lego in a little bit,

700
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: but so that you've been looking at a few different

701
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Speaker 1: smart glasses, any of these been actually interesting or useful

702
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: in bits.

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Speaker 8: It's like the curts a thing like every there are

704
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 8: little bits that are interesting and they're all striving to

705
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 8: like do more, and you're trying to see where they're

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00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 8: going to interconnect. Like x rel I covered them way

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Speaker 8: back when they were en real and they were trying

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Speaker 8: to be like magically and they they do though right

709
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 8: now they're display glasses, so really it's like a a

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Speaker 8: big virtual display just.

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Speaker 2: Fla screen and you connect it to your phone.

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Speaker 8: You connected to your phone, your laptop like anything that

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00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 8: has standard USB video out, you know, like they display

714
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Speaker 8: more video out switch breaks that, but they sell the

715
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 8: doc now that can get around that. So you connect

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Speaker 8: that you can play. So it's practical. The impractical part

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Speaker 8: is that you've to spend several hundred dollars and the

718
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 8: question is is that worth it? But what impressed me

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Speaker 8: about what x reel was doing in recent years and

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Speaker 8: companies like Features that I hadn't been following them for

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Speaker 8: a few years, and the displays were getting really good,

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Speaker 8: like like TV quality good, and I thought, oh, that's

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Speaker 8: really interesting. And now they're striving, they're partnering with Google,

724
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Speaker 8: they're trying to do more things. So it's like, it's

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Speaker 8: interesting how they're they super focused on one area versus

726
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Speaker 8: trying to do everything.

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Speaker 2: What are they trying with Google? Well, they oppen to So.

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Speaker 8: That's basically like project Or, which I tried in December,

729
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 8: is like can we make a VR mixed reality headset thing?

730
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Speaker 8: But shrinking on the classes for basically the kind of

731
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Speaker 8: same experience.

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Speaker 2: So is it not?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: Is it screening still? Like I'm a little kids.

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Speaker 8: It screens, it's three D and but the field of

736
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Speaker 8: view is limited because it's like glasses, so it's like

737
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Speaker 8: fifty but it feels kind of like a big TV

738
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Speaker 8: view and it's projected, and it was running all of

739
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Speaker 8: the Android XR apps that run on the Samsung Galaxy XR.

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Speaker 8: That's like, yeah, and this one there's no price, but

741
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Speaker 8: it's probably going to be a lot cheaper and it

742
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Speaker 8: has a little process or puck that you need to use,

743
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Speaker 8: but other than that, they're regular extra glasses, so it's

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Speaker 8: like relatively more practical. What I thought was interesting is

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Speaker 8: you got like effectively the same a lot of the

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Speaker 8: same experience and selling a lot smaller that you might

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Speaker 8: like stick in your.

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Speaker 2: Bag, right, I mean where was the market for these though?

749
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Speaker 2: Like would you use them in your day to day?

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Speaker 8: So I would use the display part. But the thing

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Speaker 8: I wanted, the thing I want to get to that

752
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Speaker 8: I kind of always fantasized about, was like could I

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Speaker 8: get work done without a laptop? Could I like sit

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Speaker 8: there and just type of way in the little corner

755
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Speaker 8: of cees with like my little keyboard or invisible keyboard

756
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Speaker 8: in the glasses? That still hasn't happened. Like technically that

757
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Speaker 8: the project Aura looks like you could do that because

758
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Speaker 8: it runs a whole bunch of apps. But the question

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Speaker 8: is how annoying that would be in what cost? And

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Speaker 8: then are you just going to default to like even

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Speaker 8: the glasses. I think they're super interesting and I'll use

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Speaker 8: them on flights, but then there's a point where I'm like,

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Speaker 8: why don't I just use the iPad? Or like could

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Speaker 8: I just look at my phone, like there's a part

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Speaker 8: at which you go, do I really want to carry

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Speaker 8: this around?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 8: And I think it's you know, if the price dropped

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Speaker 8: or it became something that did more than that. Right now,

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Speaker 8: it's like display glasses and there are these other like

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Speaker 8: meta ray ban and ray band alike things, right, two

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Speaker 8: different products completely unrelated, and then you're like, how many

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Speaker 8: of those are you gonna buy?

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Speaker 3: That's what I've covered xual before too, and I always

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Speaker 3: thought it was interesting that they focused on the display thing.

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Speaker 3: Other like, because you come to cees and smart glasses,

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Speaker 3: you can find like twenty different smart glass companies and

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Speaker 3: they all want to do something with AI and augmented

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Speaker 3: reality and the audio recording, transcription, video recording. But x

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Speaker 3: Real I appreciated that they focused on what if we

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Speaker 3: just give you a TV in your glasses, so like

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Speaker 3: when you're on long trips or something, you can just

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Speaker 3: be immersed And that's it.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: The fact that you're saying they now want to, you know,

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Speaker 3: do some more things with Google now, I'm like, I

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Speaker 3: feel like x Real is losing that focus that made them,

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Speaker 3: that made them stick out for me as a company

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Speaker 3: that oh I appreciate that they got their eye on

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Speaker 3: the prize and that's that's all they want to do.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 8: What's interesting is like there are parts that are practical

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Speaker 8: that are interconnected, because it's like there are companies like

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Speaker 8: TCL and there's like there's a bunch of companies that

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Speaker 8: have been making these like TVs for your face, like

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Speaker 8: these display glasses. But the thing that started like x

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Speaker 8: real backed off all that stuff and they started doing

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Speaker 8: these like very focused glasses. But they started introducing stuff

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Speaker 8: in the later ones it's more practical, like you can

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Speaker 8: pin the display, which is actually useful because if you

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Speaker 8: if you're trying to work with these as like a monitor,

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00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 8: it used to be that you turn and it would

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Speaker 8: keep following your face, which is awful because you can't

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Speaker 8: ever look in the corner of the screen. It's like

805
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 8: you just keep turning and it keeps moving. But they

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00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 8: started pinning it in space so you could actually treat

807
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 8: it like a monitor, which is practical. And then they

808
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 8: start having transparency, so it's like you you look at

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Speaker 8: the display, everything is blacked out around you, but if

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00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 8: you turn your head, everything goes transparent again. So it's

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Speaker 8: like practical but kind of a little are a little

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Speaker 8: like and I feel like what they're starting to do

813
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 8: is like blend some of that and then be like

814
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Speaker 8: they had this partnership with a company called space Top too,

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Speaker 8: they were trying to like float a lot of Windows apps.

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Speaker 2: What happened to them?

817
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 8: I they got absorbed into becoming what happened.

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Speaker 2: And the R A R relight, I know, I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I met with them last when they were debuting stuff

820
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 8: in the spring, which was like they backed off hardware,

821
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 8: they started pivoting to doing more software because they wanted

822
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Speaker 8: to run it directly off laptops versus having to buy

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Speaker 8: a whole of separate product. But then I also feel like,

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00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 8: in a lot of ways, that's what you're saying, who's

825
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 8: the or project or for I feel like that if

826
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Speaker 8: it runs eventually off a phone, it's got the Samsung

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Speaker 8: project Deck stuff they've been doing for years, where it's

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Speaker 8: like if you could make a thing and just carry

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Speaker 8: your phone with you and carry glasses, that's more practical

830
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Speaker 8: than carrying like a whole separate project I.

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Speaker 1: Think that they're all trying to get away from admitting

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Speaker 1: that they can't do this. Yeah, yeah, they can't do

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00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: it yet Yeah, I feel fully like they've just they're like,

834
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Speaker 1: well we've added Gemini.

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Speaker 2: Do you like this? What is this good? Do you

836
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Speaker 2: like Gemini?

837
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Speaker 8: The AI stuff is the weirdest. I mean, obviously there's

838
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 8: that's a whole we're on the show or you talk

839
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 8: about them forever, but it's like I see it, like, yeah,

840
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 8: that need to dump stuff like that? What interested me

841
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 8: about the we're covering. I don't cover AI a lot

842
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 8: because a lot of it I don't find that interesting.

843
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 8: But I do find the idea of new interfaces. Could

844
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 8: they find something new to do with it? Interesting? But

845
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 8: they keep doing a little party tricks versus something that's

846
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 8: like really really practical.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a vision Pro truth, and people do

848
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Speaker 2: not like me for this.

849
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Speaker 1: I've gotten it very unfair to me about this because

850
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Speaker 1: I like the idea of like a like a like

851
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: a different interface, like you said, like something you pop

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00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: in the corner. And I really wanted this in the

853
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: Vision Pro and I tried way too hot. I really

854
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: tried to make that shit fit into my life. And

855
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: it is an embarrassing device even when you're alone. Yeah,

856
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: you just like you see yourself in it in any

857
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: way like, oh, you've used it a law.

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Speaker 8: I've used it a lot. But when I use it

859
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 8: for it or two particular things, if I'm alone and

860
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 8: I have it nearby, I will do work with it

861
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 8: basically as a Mac monitor. And then I'll go because

862
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 8: I don't have a monitor that's that big, and I go, oh,

863
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 8: that's useful if I get into a flow with it,

864
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Speaker 8: And then I'll watch movies because I don't have a

865
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 8: TV that looks as good like that in a moment.

866
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 8: I have an older TV, and so I like that

867
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Speaker 8: as a personal cinema. But at that price. No, And

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Speaker 8: I'll never carry it with me anywhere because.

869
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Speaker 2: I whipped that baby out on the plane. I tried to.

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Speaker 8: Keep people give you as a give I will, I

871
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Speaker 8: will not. No, I had it.

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Speaker 1: I watched June or like half of June on June

873
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: on a plane, and I got the worst migraine I've

874
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: had in my life, and it kept freaking out.

875
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: It was like shaking because it's oh.

876
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 8: Like with the travel movie.

877
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: It was really mad at me. And there's also like

878
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: I can navigate it to focus right.

879
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: But I love the idea.

880
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: I love the idea of like a pop up screen look.

881
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 4: I really I like that a law.

882
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 8: Well that's the way they were. A thing was interesting

883
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Speaker 8: because I felt like it was like, Okay, let's take

884
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Speaker 8: the practical, not I mean practical, relatively more practical and

885
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 8: much lower cost of like a pair of glasses you

886
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 8: take with you, but there are another pair of glasses,

887
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 8: but it's like headphones for your eyes. But then like,

888
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 8: could you do most of the vision pro stuff. The

889
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 8: thing that I felt was like when I was at

890
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 8: WWDC I as a test, I just kind of took

891
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 8: the extra one pros with me and filed my stories

892
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 8: while wearing them, which wasn't really painful at all, and

893
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 8: it was nice because I could float the screen. It

894
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 8: wasn't really painful at all.

895
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: No, I'm no, I'm sorry.

896
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 4: I wasn't laughing you just like that's the endorsement, right,

897
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 4: that's the nicest thing that anyone said about a pair

898
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 4: of these glasses.

899
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 8: But they actually held, but they held in there like

900
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 8: I was in the in the heat. I floated the

901
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 8: screen up and I was able to watch the keynote

902
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 8: and work and it was like I didn't have to

903
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 8: hunt over the laptop as much. I was like, oh,

904
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 8: it's interesting, and like that's something you I would not

905
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 8: ever be doing with a vision pro at all.

906
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 2: So I thought, like you, David, you have you wear glasses?

907
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: Would you do it?

908
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: Why would you? I know that this is kind of

909
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: a loaded question. Why would you not use these glasses?

910
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: Like it's fine to give just like the truth.

911
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the idea of it is, it's

912
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 4: it's mostly a me issue. Like it's just a question

913
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 4: of sort of being like if I'm gonna watch TV,

914
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 4: I'll watch it through my glasses and not you know, pond.

915
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: But I'm this is not one of those things.

916
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: There's a couple of you know, like red lines in

917
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 4: terms of like technology that I'm just simply not gonna

918
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: be comfortable using. I'm not a young man, and there's

919
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: a bunch of things that like I don't need.

920
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: To Like.

921
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: There was stuff like last year that there was like

922
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: some you know, like it's a thing that jerks off

923
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 4: for you. You know that it is like it's mounted

924
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: on an arm and it's like, oh, I thought you're

925
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: about glasses, Like where's that from?

926
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 10: No?

927
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: But right, yeah, I'm sorry that you at the end

928
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: of the demo. But like all that the idea of

929
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: like the glassest thing. I feel like it could be cool.

930
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 4: I just I would wait until a trusted source was like,

931
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: all right, it's actually cool, is the right? And I

932
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 4: don't think I would want to I would want to

933
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: use it for like recreation stuff, like what you were

934
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: talking about, the idea of just kind of like being

935
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: able to watch a movie or like have it be

936
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 4: like a non embarrassing way to enjoy like a high

937
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: quality television experience like that part's neat. I don't think

938
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 4: i'd want to work on it.

939
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: I don't know that. Like the invisible keyboard holds a

940
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: great deal of appeal to me, but I see need

941
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: to use like a real keyboard like the invisible keyboard.

942
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 8: Now yeah, yeah, so like you, most of these are

943
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 8: still use a real keyboard and nobody's cracked like virtual typing. Yeah,

944
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 8: they keep they keep saying that they.

945
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: Might entirely basically seeing commercials on TV and oh ye damn,

946
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 4: look suckerbirds typing on nothing that's.

947
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 8: Even matter, Like with the neural band that there's no

948
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 8: there's no idea of even getting close to typing yet.

949
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 8: But they do have this like handwriting on your leg

950
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 8: thing that's going to come out but like I don't.

951
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 8: I don't do handwriting, and I.

952
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: My ordinational disability call dyspraxia, and the idea of those

953
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: services working is really funny to me. Like for years

954
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: I was I was told repeatedly like you have a

955
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: doctor's handwriting, and I thought it was a compliment.

956
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: It wasn't, it was not. It turns out I have

957
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: a physical disability.

958
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's even the metaclasses like when actually the

959
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: episode with Victoria, I tried them on and it's like, wow,

960
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: these are cool, And I was like, now what because

961
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: if I walked around with these, not only would I

962
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: look like a bell Land, which isn't a huge change,

963
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: but it's just like you're just staring in the corner

964
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: for the directions. It's like it's like no, it's like

965
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: the people making them haven't walked around as a normal

966
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: person before.

967
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 4: And I think that's like the short answer to the

968
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 4: question of like what would it take for me to

969
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 4: use it? Yeah, like could I do it if I

970
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: didn't have to like practice, Like you know, the exactly

971
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 4: thing I can savorglasses is that I put them on

972
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: every morning in the same I have the same user experience. Yeah,

973
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 4: every single time, you know, and all I have to

974
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 4: do is look through the lenses and I can see

975
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 4: things lightly better. I'm curious about because this is something

976
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: that like, I don't, you know, cover this area and

977
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 4: like followed it as closely. How much better is this

978
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: and how long did it take for things to get

979
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: as good as they are now?

980
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 8: That's a good question, And I feel like someone from

981
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 8: the companies was like, why are you more interested in

982
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 8: this now? And I was like, I don't know, because

983
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 8: I feel like they started getting a little better. But

984
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 8: it's it's all relatives, like I think like smart watches following,

985
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 8: Like I remember covering smart watches in the world before

986
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 8: the Apple Watch and the Google watches emerged, and it

987
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 8: was like everyone's striving for random stuff and crap and

988
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 8: some interesting things. But I find those territories before someone

989
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 8: goes mainstream interesting because it's like striving for the moment

990
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 8: that you're like the water's fine. So I feel like

991
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 8: that's why I love covering those zones is it's like

992
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 8: you see ideas being thrown against the wall, throw against

993
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 8: the wall, and then you're like you get there, but

994
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 8: now I feel like you could something crossed over where

995
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 8: it's like the meta ray bands became legitimately okay to

996
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 8: wear if you're going on like vacation.

997
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 2: I found them no stylistic. It's like the Royal Orbison machine,

998
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: Like they already wear glass. You couldn't pull them off.

999
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 4: That's a thing.

1000
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I'm like, they literally are like the glasses

1001
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 8: I'm wearing now.

1002
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's That's like the real breakthrough is that,

1003
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 4: like if you are the type of person that wears

1004
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: that type of frame, like the water, the problem is solved.

1005
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 4: If you don't like that, there are some companies doing

1006
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: do you want to do the zoomer wire rim things

1007
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 4: where the lenses are the exact same size as your eyes.

1008
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you can't check your emails.

1009
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 8: They can't. The closest thing to that is like I've

1010
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 8: been testing out Even Realities, which is another company that

1011
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 8: makes the G two glasses, and they're like more of

1012
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 8: a metal thin frame. But the only thing is that

1013
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 8: not only they weren't functioning that well on the floor

1014
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 8: here because everything interferes and stuff, but also they don't

1015
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 8: have they don't have audio, they don't do camera stuff,

1016
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 8: which also people might really like they have a display

1017
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 8: but only for a couple of functions, and you're kind

1018
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 8: of and it goes to that, like why am I

1019
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 8: doing this? But you might not notice their glasses. So

1020
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 8: everyone's like getting to these Like like, would I tell

1021
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 8: a friend the water's fine there, No, I'd be like.

1022
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 8: And even smart watches now, I still feel like if

1023
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 8: I was, I'm not reviewing them so much now, but

1024
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 8: I would say, like, you don't need a smart watch,

1025
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 8: you know, it's like they never got to the point

1026
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 8: where you needed them. But I would go, okay, but

1027
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 8: if you want to get one, they're they're okay, You'll

1028
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 8: be okay with them. And I feel like the problem

1029
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 8: with the ray bands and all these things that you

1030
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 8: have to recharge them. So the ray Ban Gen two's

1031
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 8: get up to eight hours of battery, but it's really

1032
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 8: like four to eight. So at least they don't they

1033
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 8: don't crap out at noon, but they will go down

1034
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 8: at like three pm. And then you're like, I have

1035
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 8: to put them in the case to charge, so I

1036
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 8: have to bring out another pair of glasses, and you're like,

1037
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 8: this is a broken.

1038
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: If the jewel wheel two glasses, you have to dual wheel.

1039
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 8: So I'm always swapping glasses, but I say, is it

1040
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 8: to me? They're like vacation glasses more where it's like

1041
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 8: I've been to theme parks, I record on the rides

1042
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 8: for fun because it's like, no more your face. And

1043
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 8: also if you're at a super busy event like this,

1044
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 8: or you're like at an airport, like and this is

1045
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 8: such a niche thing, but it's like someone's calling and

1046
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 8: you don't want to reach for your phone or your

1047
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 8: or your air pods. But that's like a first super

1048
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 8: that's like an ultra first world too many gadgets problem,

1049
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 8: but it is kind of nice to just be like, oh,

1050
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 8: I can answer them and not have to do something.

1051
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 8: But could I justify that people who have like vision

1052
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 8: impairment or other things that if I've heard about that

1053
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 8: been using that for that? That is interesting. But the

1054
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 8: companies I feel are not making enough. I can't speak

1055
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 8: to the assistive landscape, but I don't think there's enough

1056
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 8: effort being made to really have deeper, helpful use of that.

1057
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 8: I feel like everyone's still taking like bits and stabs

1058
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 8: at that.

1059
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I imagine that's part of like you have

1060
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 4: to appeal to the people that have the money and

1061
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 4: that are like trying to get you to do this

1062
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: stuff and so like that. I remember that being like

1063
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 4: a big through line. Last year is the first time

1064
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: I've been to CES, and I remember there were all

1065
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 4: these technologies that seemed legitimately like miraculous to me for

1066
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: people that have very little motion. It's like a non

1067
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 4: invasive chip that makes it possible for you to like

1068
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 4: communicate and move about, and it was really cool. But

1069
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: I remember, like Ed and I were at ed Angueiso,

1070
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: We're at that that stand, and it was until we

1071
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 4: talked to one of the engineering people. They were trying

1072
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: to sell it as some sort of like like a

1073
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: hack for like people working at fast food places. They're like,

1074
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: what if you've been touching chicken and then you got

1075
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 4: to handle money. This way, you don't have to do it.

1076
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 4: You can just make a series of micro gestures and

1077
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 4: that will open the cash register. And it was like, well,

1078
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 4: that's way dumber.

1079
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: And also I'm making fifteen dollars an hour, but I

1080
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: will go on to eight hours of surgery with a neurosurgeon,

1081
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: costing me eighty five thousand dollars.

1082
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: It was not invasive, but it was the same sort

1083
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 4: of thing where it was just like, just say it's

1084
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 4: for fucking helping people, dude.

1085
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: Like it's not is that so bad?

1086
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 4: But the thing is it's everyone.

1087
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: It's like one leg in one place, one leg in,

1088
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: and they other a natural phrase that where it's yeah,

1089
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: it could be an assisted device, but also regular people

1090
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: could use it. We're not really going to try for

1091
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: either because you really kind of have to choose because

1092
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: that was the smart cane last year, which at first

1093
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: I wanted and I may have made fun of, but

1094
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: it's actually like we can help people who find like

1095
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: great stuff that was a direct focused product for a problem.

1096
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: The glasses are like do you want to record yourself

1097
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: making dinner? And you want this?

1098
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: And there's assisted feature just too if you've got.

1099
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 4: Something wrong with you.

1100
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: But it's just this weird thing where it's they want

1101
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: to sell, they want to find the next growth pig,

1102
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, it's gonna be glasses, I fucking guess.

1103
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 5: I mean.

1104
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: The main thing about wear Bulls is like you have

1105
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: to actually be someone who wears the non technological version

1106
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: of it first for it to speak to you, Like

1107
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: I don't wear glasses, whether it be prescription or sunglasses,

1108
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't buy a smart glass product. I don't

1109
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: wear a watch, so I wouldn't buy a smart watch

1110
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: because I don't need for it. You know, it's it

1111
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 3: that's like the main leap for it. Like I okay,

1112
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: So I went to a private raizor dem the you

1113
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 3: know company, and so they actually they were selling. They

1114
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: were they have a project they're working on that's a

1115
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: prototype that's smart headphones. Hold of those and now so

1116
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: they're there selling point for it is you know, if

1117
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: you aren't someone who wears glasses, you know, there's more

1118
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 3: people who do wear headphones. Everyone listens to music, but

1119
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: not everyone wears sunglasses. Right, So this they put all

1120
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: that like all those like uh smart features accept the

1121
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: display because obviously it's a headset in the headphones. So

1122
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 3: basically the headphones have this little camera on the side

1123
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: and that's your AI assistant. It can like you're looking

1124
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: at a menu, like reading like a menu at a

1125
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: restaurant in like Japan or something.

1126
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 4: That was the demo they showed.

1127
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 3: Then the headphones can see the Japanese writing and translate

1128
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: it to you in the headphones. Another thing they brought

1129
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: up is how smart glasses. When they do translation features,

1130
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: everyone in the vicinity could hear the smart glasses to you,

1131
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: whereas the headphones, because it's in the headphone set, only

1132
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: you hear the AI assistant talk to you. Another thing

1133
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: they brought up is how you know smart glasses can

1134
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: get hot and uncomfortable on your face. Headphones are bigger

1135
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: and they're not directly on your face, so they're more

1136
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: comfortable to wear.

1137
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 4: That was their selling point. But again, I feel like,

1138
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 4: in my.

1139
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: Opinion, the reason to use smart glasses is for specific

1140
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: use cases in the moment, for display purposes, not AI

1141
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: assistant features. But that's just my mind because that's not

1142
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 3: my cup of tea. But I guess if you're, you know,

1143
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: trying to sell a product to as many people as possible,

1144
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: smart headphones actually do sort of make more sense than

1145
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: they smart glasses. It's very much in the prototype stage.

1146
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: They don't even have a price.

1147
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 8: They just said it would be competitive.

1148
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just.

1149
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: Kind of like how many They always always like you're

1150
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: in a foreign country, you're gonna you're gonna look at

1151
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: a menu.

1152
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: You don't honestly, how often are you fuck is traveling it?

1153
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: But that's that sort of shows that the because I

1154
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 3: bet a lot of these guys because they work for

1155
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: tech companies with big budgets, they probably are traveling a lot.

1156
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 4: They're probably in Japan and China. What's the number one issue?

1157
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: Is it?

1158
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: When you're in Singapore and you're and you don't know

1159
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: what to eat?

1160
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1161
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: What are their number one issues?

1162
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 5: Though?

1163
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1164
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: When your third vacation home, you're the nearby places just

1165
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: don't have anything in English and you can't scream at

1166
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: the waiter until you understand. So you've got your smart headphone,

1167
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: and I guess do they even sound good? Like I've

1168
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: had to raise a headset? They sound fine. I get

1169
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: back to the thing I was saying last last chunk

1170
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: of this show. It's like they're a fucking smart headphone. Fuck,

1171
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: you make headphones look fit. None of my headphones ever

1172
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: fit in my fucking weird goblin is like, that's the thing,

1173
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: my mother.

1174
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 4: They're over the ear headphones. They're not air buds.

1175
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: Great, Okay, So now they can maybe come up with

1176
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: a reason because it's just like, okay, I can use

1177
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: Gemini with them or some such bullshit like well, and.

1178
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 8: That's the other thing too, I found with these like

1179
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 8: to go. It just made me think about this going

1180
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 8: on this tangent think about AI and glasses. There's a

1181
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 8: lot that's frustrating. But like, first of all, the meta

1182
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 8: stuff always feels like a weird experiment that I'm never using,

1183
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 8: and when I do, I feel like I'm playing a

1184
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 8: weird like immersive game where I'm just like talking to

1185
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 8: something and I have no idea what it's saying is correct,

1186
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 8: And then it's mostly this conversation. It becomes it really

1187
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 8: becomes like a like a performance art where I'm sort

1188
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 8: of like what type of tree? Like I'll stand in

1189
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 8: my town, I'll be like, what type of tree?

1190
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: Is this?

1191
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 7: What?

1192
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 8: I don't know what to ask it? When it's like

1193
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 8: you know, yeah, AI is like you know, it's an

1194
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 8: open door, ask it whatever you want. I'm like, I

1195
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 8: don't have any idea where to start, like is this?

1196
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 8: I end up with things like is that a bench?

1197
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 4: What is this?

1198
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 11: What is this?

1199
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 8: What is this shoe? And then I don't know And

1200
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 8: then and then they'll say things like you were in

1201
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 8: a lot of is descriptive, which could help like assistive

1202
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 8: to be like you're in a you're in a large

1203
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 8: room with a chair, but I don't need to know that.

1204
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 8: So it's like it looks like a comfy red cushion

1205
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 8: is there and a person and it will get things

1206
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 8: wrong and then it'll apologize and then it's like this

1207
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 8: strange demos like a play. It's like a weird A

1208
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 8: lot of performances are a.

1209
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: Lot of the demos that show off these AI features

1210
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 3: really do act like you're an alien that just can't dark.

1211
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: That's so yeah, It's just it's like their old babies.

1212
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck is that? That's a bus?

1213
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like almost all of this technology,

1214
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 4: like for as long as I've been I mean not

1215
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: even I don't write about it really, but like just

1216
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 4: sort of observing it is it. A lot of it

1217
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 4: is solving problems that I consider to be just like

1218
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 4: basically solved, Like you go to the grocery store.

1219
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Well, just like I don't walk around being like if

1220
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what something is, as long as it's

1221
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: not like a.

1222
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 4: Creature they getting it wrong and then being like great,

1223
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 4: point dude, like that rather, you know, like.

1224
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 8: It goes back to like if you can't really see

1225
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 8: it and you want assistance, that's interesting if you want

1226
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 8: to read something, which maybe if you're a bad vision, okay,

1227
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 8: but like what am I doing? I don't trust there's

1228
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 8: no advice it can give me, like the whole Like

1229
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 8: there is a continuing demo in Glasses about like look

1230
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 8: in a pantry and get cooking advice. That is a

1231
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 8: the sock demo where you're like, am I ever staring

1232
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 8: at a bunch of cans and asking? And then what

1233
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 8: is it going to tell me? Like you could make

1234
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 8: a soup with the carrots and the tomato.

1235
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: If I'm looking at a pantry and I don't know

1236
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 3: what I want to make, I'm just the type of

1237
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: person who's going to go for the microwaveable TV dinner.

1238
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to use the AI to tell

1239
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: me what to make because I don't cook.

1240
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 8: If I don't know what on my phone, Like if

1241
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 8: there's a phone, you're probably exactly. It's also the other

1242
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 8: thing with it is that you're you were more than

1243
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 8: anything else, shoehorn. You're funneled into using the AI, and

1244
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 8: usually it's one AI. It was like on your phone,

1245
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 8: you've got a million or anything else, you got a

1246
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 8: million ways to check stuff, and so you're like, why

1247
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 8: am I trapped in this one? It's like it's like

1248
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 8: I'm relying on a strange assistant friend to like do

1249
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 8: things for me, and it makes me feel kind of helpless.

1250
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 8: So it's like, I just want to go do this thing,

1251
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 8: and it's like I have to ask assistant person to

1252
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 8: kind of fumble away to do it, and like I'm gonna,

1253
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 8: of course, you're gonna take out your phone.

1254
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: And they do all these like over the top convoluted features.

1255
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: And I just mentioned how I'm not a sunglass or

1256
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 3: eyeglass wearer, so I have no interest in the smart glasses.

1257
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 3: But I actually did, for a specific use case, look

1258
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: into the meta glasses. So when my kids play soccer

1259
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: and when I go to a game, I would love

1260
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: to not be able to not have to hold my

1261
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: phone to real Well, that makes sense, I would love

1262
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 3: to have it on record. But then you looked into

1263
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: the details of those video recordings. The meta sunglasses can't

1264
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: record longer than a thirty second clip at a time, well.

1265
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 8: Third, three minutes, now sonnutes.

1266
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, those soccer games are longer than.

1267
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 8: Like, there's no reason they should they should allow you

1268
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 8: to do it till the battery right now, like.

1269
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 3: An actual good use case for it that a lot

1270
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: of people parents would go ape shit over something like that.

1271
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 3: And they're spending there instead of spending the time on

1272
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: can we make the video record longer than three minutes?

1273
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: They're spending their time on all the AI features that

1274
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: I can't think of any.

1275
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 2: Regular use case.

1276
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense though if you take it

1277
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: from the perspective it's a tech executive.

1278
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: It's like, what do people do when they cook?

1279
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: Well, of course they walk into their pantry, which they've

1280
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: not been infant sometime, and they go.

1281
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: What the fuck is all this? What?

1282
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: Why are the tomatoes in a can? Usually someone brings these?

1283
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: How do I get them out?

1284
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: Bagging it? Just bagging it against and they're like, oh,

1285
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: ALEXA free, these tomatoes.

1286
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: Break open the ca. But it's also like, okay, how

1287
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: long how long will they need to do clips? Well,

1288
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: what what do children do?

1289
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: Tiktoks? Tiktoks? Thirty s that's enough.

1290
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: How much time these tech executives probably spend with have

1291
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: they ever have they ever attended one of their kids?

1292
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, how long do I spend with them?

1293
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 8: No one who records a video for longer than thirty seconds.

1294
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 4: It's one how long could it last? Yeah?

1295
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 8: What are you a monster? Making a ten minute video?

1296
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: Three minutes and then I've got all Jimmy. It's sad.

1297
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 8: It's also like they don't these glasses do not full.

1298
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 8: And this is the thing I was interested about with

1299
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 8: Google with project Or, is that they're trying to connect

1300
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 8: with your phone. Like the other part of this is

1301
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 8: that these things don't even do all the things to

1302
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 8: connect with your phone that you would expect to. There's

1303
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 8: a lot of broken paths where it's like whether it's

1304
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 8: like Siria, as much as you might not like Siri

1305
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 8: or or Gemini or anything else you used to do,

1306
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 8: like earbuds on your phone, doing some basic things that

1307
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 8: connect these break that path. These will have another thing

1308
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 8: you're dealing with meta AI, and it's like the oldies

1309
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 8: of smart watchers, where like the hookens are like, oh,

1310
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 8: it's got one thing for this, but not that, and

1311
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 8: this doesn't do that thing, and so you have to

1312
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 8: like discover like a puzzle because none of the phone

1313
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 8: companies have opened up good paths. It's also frustrating on

1314
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 8: that end, but that's like how do you even if

1315
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 8: you don't get to the point where you can at

1316
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 8: least work with the phone that you got. That's a

1317
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 8: big problem, Like it needs to do at least everything

1318
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 8: that you want. Even on the Samsung Galaxy XR. The

1319
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 8: AI was like that Gemini Live thing was kind of

1320
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 8: interesting in that it could see everything in the room

1321
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 8: in your screens. But then I would ask it to

1322
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 8: like close an app, and it was like, okay, to

1323
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 8: do that, move an arrow over to the X and

1324
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 8: close it. And I was like, you're telling me how

1325
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 8: to close the app.

1326
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: You're the what if I You're in there already, dude, Yeah,

1327
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: you're right there.

1328
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 8: It's not like it's more like they're testing it. Then

1329
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 8: they have an idea of what you should be doing

1330
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 8: with this. It's like it's like if I go to

1331
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 8: a restaurant, I want a menu of like interesting things

1332
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 8: that you're gonna tell me, like what are my choices?

1333
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 8: And here it's like in the AI land, it's like

1334
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 8: what do you want in our magic kitchen? And it's

1335
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 8: like I don't even know, don't give me choice browses.

1336
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 8: I'm like what and then you ask and then sure

1337
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 8: enough it can't do some of those things. So it's like,

1338
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 8: why did you ask me? I get mad. I'm like,

1339
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 8: just give me a menu of like five options.

1340
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: I've been saying for a while.

1341
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what, Ai'd be useful for getting

1342
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: through all the fucking menus they've added to my goddamn phone,

1343
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: the one hundred different options in the settings of my

1344
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: iPhone that is now like one part it's like, do

1345
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: you need to subscribe to Apple Music? Like I'm already subscribed.

1346
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm already a pay pig. You've already got me tim

1347
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: And it's just like, no, we can't close the menu.

1348
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: But what if we looked in your pantry and came

1349
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: up with an idea and it's just does it work

1350
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: every time?

1351
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: God? No, no, no, no, no, no, don't we don't

1352
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: do that here. We just we guess ish And I

1353
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: don't know.

1354
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 5: It's I wonder.

1355
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: I genuinely I don't think they'll talk to me for

1356
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: many reasons, but I kind of want to just grab

1357
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: one of them and scream, I mean, just talk to

1358
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: one of them and say have you ever existed?

1359
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: Like what do you what does your day look like?

1360
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: Because like I don't know. When I cook, I like

1361
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: go and see what's in the fridge. It's like, oh,

1362
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: it's a challenge. It's like a little chit, like, Okay,

1363
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: I'll work out what the fuck I'm gonna put together

1364
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: with whatever, like the eighteen diet cokes and the three

1365
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: pieces of old meat and they're like, oh, get some

1366
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: seasoning and just eating raw.

1367
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: But it's like you, that's part of being a human.

1368
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: It's like, what if we remove the friction, well, not

1369
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: really the friction, what if we added friction an idea.

1370
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: It's just very sad.

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00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: It's just sad.

1372
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Speaker 8: It's sad, but it feels like like many things, AI

1373
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 8: is forcing the hand and kind of ruining the landscape.

1374
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 8: It reminds me of like, among many things in the metaverse,

1375
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 8: I thought it was interesting following the philosophy of the meta,

1376
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 8: Like I'm gonna say, I thought the ideas in the

1377
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 8: metaverse are interesting. But then you could see it turning

1378
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 8: over hyping, cryptoifying, becoming whatever, and nobody knew what the

1379
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 8: hell it was, and everything became this hype cycle and

1380
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 8: it blew out, And I feel like AI is in

1381
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 8: that space where it's like beyond other things, nobody everyone's

1382
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 8: so rushing that nobody's thinking about any philosophical ideas that

1383
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 8: are important, But at the point is that glasses now

1384
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 8: feel like a place where all that AI hype is

1385
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 8: being forced in fast as opposed to like, how are

1386
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 8: you going to use these on like a design area

1387
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 8: VR for all the people would shit on it. I

1388
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 8: do admire thinking back that like VR headsets, you could

1389
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 8: really do a lot of things in them in terms

1390
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 8: of knowing how to navigate them, and glasses are just like, oh,

1391
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 8: they're going to be in your life, but nobody's really

1392
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 8: come up with any inner Even the Orion things were

1393
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 8: like and.

1394
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: That's like the ten thousand dollar METSA.

1395
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 8: One, the one that doesn't yeah, the one that doesn't

1396
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 8: exist yet. But like even like a ray Bann Displaze,

1397
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, you're just swipe swipe swiping through apps,

1398
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 8: and I'm like, nobody came up with a better way

1399
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 8: to do that, because it's like I don't want to

1400
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 8: swipe swipe.

1401
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 4: Like the idea of just being like it's just another

1402
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 4: way to jam you into our stack. The future you

1403
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 4: might be spending all of you know, like whatever our

1404
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 4: interface versus the other interface versus.

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 8: You would have like some new idea like it doesn't

1406
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 8: have to be like a new idea for new ideas sake,

1407
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 8: but it's like, could it be less annoying than other stuff? Right?

1408
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 8: And if it's not so, I feel like nobody has

1409
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 8: really solved that yet. I'm curious if it'll happen. That's

1410
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 8: why I love covering this. It is curious. All Right,

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01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 8: we're gonna wrap this this thirty minute bit for now.

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01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 8: Matt bennefam Mashable of course joining us. We've got Scott

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01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 8: Stein from Sena and of course David Roth and I'm

1414
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 8: at Zetra And this next ad is from Golpo the

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Speaker 8: Cola that Burns, so please buy Golpo.

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Speaker 1: And we're back, brought to you by Golpo the Color

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Speaker 1: that Burns. This is the CS Experience Better Offline. I'm

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01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: your host that zitch On. I'm joined by Matt Banda

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01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: from Mashable. Hello, Scott Stein from cenap Hi, and of

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01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: course David rutham Defect.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: And we were just talking about pepcom, which is a

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01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: show I can't rememberfer that's Show Stoppers or Pepcom.

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01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: They wouldn't let me.

1425
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 4: Into They're all very similar.

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01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 3: So the media days when before it even ces officially

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01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: opens to the public. There's the first three nights of

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01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: ces there's like this big like exhibition type event, right,

1429
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: first night's unveiled, second night's pepcom, third night is showstoppers.

1430
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: And basically these companies, a lot of them smaller tech startups,

1431
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: basically use these as an opportunity to get some attention

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 3: because no one really seeks these companies out of events

1433
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 3: because no one knows who the fuck they are before

1434
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: they get to cees and see them. Last year, for example,

1435
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: the Big Winner unveiled and I covered it, I think

1436
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 3: even spoke about it on this show.

1437
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: Last year was the Salt Spoony.

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01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, salt and we got very sawcastic and it

1439
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: turned out to actually be very useful for specific people.

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01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but like it was for people don't know.

1441
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 3: It was a spoon that basically for people who couldn't

1442
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 3: eat foods with salt like situation, instead of just being

1443
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: stuck eating plain foods, they take a scoop of their

1444
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 3: soup with no salt, and the spoon sent like a

1445
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 3: zapp that you can't feel into the spoon, which like

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01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 3: lights up your taste buds and makes it and like

1447
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 3: tricks your tongue into thinking the food taste salty.

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01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:42,959
Speaker 8: And it worked.

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01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: I tried it out.

1450
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: I was pretty shocked that it worked, but it worked.

1451
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: And that's an example of sort of the weird type

1452
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 3: of stuff you could find at these like ces exhibition

1453
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 3: type shows.

1454
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you seen anything weird and unveiled at all?

1455
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 3: There was a chess playing robot, and you wonder, like,

1456
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 3: what's the market for that, Like you're gonna.

1457
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: Buy you can walk into any Paul in New York

1458
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: and find seven old men for free for free.

1459
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: Well, no, they will hustle, just like yeah, sit down,

1460
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: young blood.

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01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 4: The chess had nearly as interesting a life. Whoever, the

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01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 4: guy is a Dana Moora for twenty two years and

1463
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 4: it takes fifty dollars from you over the course of

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 4: a few games of chess.

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01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 8: It's also like, there are so many programs to play chess,

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01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 8: like why would you need the actual road.

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01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 3: Chess don't like yeah, people don't no, no, like you

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01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 3: just mentioned yeah those three point one right you play?

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01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: You play against the robot regularly on your computer. This

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01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 3: is a physical chess board with a robot that sits

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01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 3: on the other side of you and physically like has

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 3: a claw that comes down and moves the pieces, which

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01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: which is weird because I've seen technological like chess sets

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01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 3: that basically have like a mechanism underneath the poor right

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01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: that just like slides the piece, which seems I mean,

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 3: if you absolutely need a physical robotic chess board, that

1477
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 3: seems like the more practical version then having this it was.

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01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: Like a humanoid, was it?

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 3: Just it was like a BB eight sized robot sitting

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01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 3: across from you with the mechanical arm.

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01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: But that was moving the chess paces.

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: It was sort of like, first of all, like this

1484
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 3: looks very expensive, So I don't know who you're gonna

1485
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: sell this to. I guess people who want to show

1486
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: off their robot playing chess.

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01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a great thing that would be

1488
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: in Drake's home. It's not like, all right, we already.

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01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 4: You're not doing great if you have this product.

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01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 8: Bespoke chess robot.

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01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 5: Check this out.

1492
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 4: I don't care like this.

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01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: Just look at really how fast? Was it really slow?

1494
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 5: As well?

1495
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 2: Please tell me it was really slow.

1496
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 4: It wasn't very slow. It was this normal speed.

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01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: That's if I want one of those.

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01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like like really fucking like just barely,

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: like it takes like half an in it, yeah, or or.

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Speaker 4: Like an arcade claw machine and it sometimes just drops

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 4: these like just randomly.

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01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:08,479
Speaker 5: Us.

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01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: I love this so but so the did you talk

1504
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: to them at all? Because I have way more questions

1505
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: for them than anyone else so far. I did it

1506
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: because I thought that I looked at it and I

1507
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: was like I thought of the chest that those chessboards

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01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: that have the mechanism underneath that, like, what is the

1509
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 1: point of this? I don't know, I should have Maybe

1510
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: if I see them again, I'll inquire more for you,

1511
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: please do I must not be anything anything else.

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01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 3: We like there was this thing that like I don't

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01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 3: even know how to explain it. It was like I

1514
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 3: just saw it in motion. It was like this this

1515
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: almost like a roller type thing that you would lay

1516
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 3: down and it rolls under your back.

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01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 4: I guess it's like to give you a massage.

1518
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 2: Actually sound it was.

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01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: It was weird looking though, because like if you know,

1520
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: like in like cartoons when they go down like one

1521
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 3: of those like slides that have like the up and

1522
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 3: down things, and the cartoon like body goes like yeah

1523
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: in a way that your back can't go.

1524
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 4: This thing was like making it look like cartoon people

1525
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 4: the way they were their backs, we were contorting.

1526
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1527
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 4: I wanted to try it, but there was a pretty

1528
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 4: long line for it.

1529
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: I love that I did.

1530
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 8: I think one of our colleagues, Bridget, did a demo

1531
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 8: of that was talking about it afterwards, and I was like, oh,

1532
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 8: is it is it?

1533
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 4: Is it like meant to like give you like to

1534
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 4: fix your back.

1535
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 8: I didn't really get to think she found it fine.

1536
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she found it Okay. The endorsement, Yes, yes,

1537
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: I think it was fine.

1538
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of that stuff that I remember

1539
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 4: seeing last year, a lot of the sort of like

1540
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 4: robotic assistant things like it seemed like the basically like

1541
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 4: the best you could hope for from it. Is like,

1542
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 4: I did not experience whiplash from right sitting in this

1543
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,479
Speaker 4: gaming chair that moves at its own like a chord

1544
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 4: or whatever.

1545
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 8: No physical damage is a whim.

1546
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: Fine functions, Fine, the robot did not harm me.

1547
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 4: If you want to put that on the poster, you can, Like.

1548
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 8: We have a colleague wearing an exoskeleton walking around.

1549
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: Evans has one of those two I know, and was going, I.

1550
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 8: Think he likes it. He actually got it for real

1551
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 8: therapeutic purposes, for like his his hip or something. But

1552
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 8: it's fascinating. I was like, we're at the show where

1553
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 8: I see people casually wearing exos, Elton's or you know

1554
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 8: whatever you would call them, like, and I think someone

1555
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 8: else is testing out one. I had a really hard

1556
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 8: time at Unveiled finding weird tech. And that's actually my

1557
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 8: my my judging zone. I was supposed to look weird tech.

1558
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: I had.

1559
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 8: I had a sort of existential crisis where I wandered

1560
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 8: around trying. That's also hard, like maybe if you try

1561
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 8: to find it, it doesn't find no thought.

1562
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 3: I thought the same thing, and I think that what

1563
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 3: happened this year was usually the weird tech is very

1564
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 3: visually appealing.

1565
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 8: Yes, there were no visually you.

1566
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: Need to go to the corner of the convention center

1567
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: into like the like shin Zen Jao Corporation where it's

1568
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: like where it's like cameras, cameras, batteries, dildos.

1569
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time that it's like.

1570
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: This eighteen wood long thing and it has like it's

1571
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: just a printed white piece a.

1572
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 4: Pipe, so visually unappealing, how like what it just kind

1573
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,480
Speaker 4: of like featureless?

1574
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Usually when we go to these things, we

1575
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 3: have a video team that comes with us, and we

1576
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 3: try to find things that will basically translate on video.

1577
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 3: Like someone will will see the thumbnail or a clip

1578
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 3: as they're scrolling.

1579
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: By and be like, Oh, this looks really damn chess.

1580
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1581
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like there really wasn't much of that in

1582
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 3: terms of visually, like you know, okay, give I'll give

1583
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 3: you an example, like this is another thing I wanted

1584
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 3: to bring up.

1585
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of I noticed all like baby

1586
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 4: related tech.

1587
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 3: But to me, I'm thinking, like a lot of this

1588
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 3: stuff is for like very small bait like newborn, and

1589
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 3: you're gonna like spend this money on something that's gonna

1590
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 3: last you like maybe six months. So there was one

1591
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 3: thing I don't remember the name of the device, but

1592
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 3: it's this monitor that goes on your baby's ankle. No,

1593
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 3: it's a different company. I can't remember if but no,

1594
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 3: Allen is a is a company that makes baby stuff. Yeah, no,

1595
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 3: you're not wrong, but it's an a monitor for babies

1596
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: that track their alcohol and.

1597
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 8: Off the car deactivates the cars.

1598
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 4: They can't know, but it was it tracks their heartbeat

1599
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 4: and the point of it.

1600
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 2: And that's useful like this, this is like the set

1601
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: like the Wids and Sudden.

1602
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 10: No.

1603
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 3: The way they were selling it was so parents know

1604
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 3: when the best the optimal time is to place your

1605
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 3: baby in the crib so they don't wake up.

1606
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: Nice baby hacking. Yes, finally, yes.

1607
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 3: So it like I guess it tracks their heart rate

1608
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 3: and the optimal heart rate. I guess when they're in

1609
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 3: a deep sleep, it lights up a certain color and

1610
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 3: that's when the optimal time is to put your baby

1611
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 3: down psychotic And like I listen, I I wouldn't buy

1612
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 3: something like that to put I want to put an

1613
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: ankle monitor on my baby. But I could see if

1614
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 3: you're a desperate parents who's having trouble there, maybe you

1615
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 3: would look into that solution. But also, like, unless it's

1616
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: priced very cheaply, I can't imagine buying something that you're

1617
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 3: gonna use a few months.

1618
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: This sounds like something someone who remembers having kids built.

1619
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: Like someone was like, yeah, you know what full my

1620
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: baby there is crying?

1621
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it is like definitely an experience that

1622
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not a man of child personally, but

1623
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 4: it is like a man child. But I'm just saying

1624
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 4: I'm an active uncle. You know, I'm a very engaged uncle.

1625
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 4: But it is uncle, and it is one of those things.

1626
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 4: I'm yeah, I'm a chopped unk and I'm not afraid

1627
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 4: to come on here and talk as such.

1628
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 3: No cap, now that you bring that up, this does

1629
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 3: sound like a device that the uncle would buy, yeahs

1630
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 3: or something like that.

1631
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: It's uncle tech.

1632
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 4: Yes, I heard these things don't like to sleep, so

1633
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 4: I got you a thing. They will tell you when

1634
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 4: it's asleep.

1635
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 8: You can maximize your baby. You're like.

1636
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 2: Your baby maxing.

1637
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 8: It's supposed to be good.

1638
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 4: It is funny though, like the idea, I mean like

1639
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 4: it's as funny and it is very funny to me.

1640
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: The idea of being like you must optimize your toddler like.

1641
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 4: That is that's funny to me. But it's also like

1642
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 4: it's a reflection of who is like funding this ship

1643
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 4: and who is coming up with these ideas, like in

1644
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 4: terms of what is the experience that you would want

1645
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 4: the most from your baby, And it's like you want

1646
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 4: them to be healthy, you want to be happy, you

1647
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 4: want them to sleep. But then there's this other element

1648
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 4: where it's like and you must excel as like a parent,

1649
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 4: like I think what.

1650
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: It is is like the venture capitalist, and this is

1651
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: not necessarily like therefore, I guess, but like a venture

1652
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: capitalist is by definition probably pretty well off, so they

1653
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: probably have like a lot more parental support. I feel like,

1654
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: if you're funding baby take, you should go and just

1655
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: talk to the most stressed babyona.

1656
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a kid. I really shouldn't be like

1657
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: babyonas if I don't have one. But this was much

1658
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: older than that.

1659
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 4: I kept thinking about last year. It is like where

1660
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 4: is the consumer in the consumer electronics? Yeah, and there

1661
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 4: were devices that and the stuff I remember from the

1662
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 4: floor most fondly last year were like old fashioned American

1663
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 4: inventions with a technological aspect. It was like, it's a

1664
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 4: dog door that opens because your dog collar has a

1665
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 4: chip in it so it recognizes that it's your dog

1666
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 4: and it's not letting in a raccoon or a prowler

1667
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 4: or whatever, and like that's not, you know, groundbreaking, but

1668
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 4: it's like all right, cool, Like I get it.

1669
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a machine that sits on your calendar.

1670
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 2: It makes soft serve ice cream sick.

1671
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 4: Fuck me up. My kitchen is way too small to

1672
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 4: have that. But it would be great if it were

1673
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 4: we like ice cream, but yes, you can see where

1674
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 4: the consumer is and all of that. And then the

1675
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 4: ones that always kind of blew me away were like

1676
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 4: beyond the stuff that's just like kind of junk or

1677
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 4: like white label or just over abstracted. Yeah, is the

1678
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 4: stuff like this where it's like you have this miraculous

1679
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 4: technical capacity and no sense of what an ordinary person

1680
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 4: might use it for it and you clearly didn't ask,

1681
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 4: like you never try to get that.

1682
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: That's kind of why I'm going. And it's like, have

1683
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: you talked to a parent. I don't mean a fucking

1684
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: parent clearing a quarter of a million dollars a year.

1685
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean like a fucking parent who has got two

1686
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 1: children and a part time job and is fucking suffering

1687
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: because the outlet suck is like useful because it can

1688
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: like monitor the baby, make sure that something infantestiner doesn't

1689
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: have like mountless hot rate and breathing and such like

1690
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: useful things to make sure your kid is alive, like

1691
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: very meaningful stuff.

1692
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: It's only for six months, but man, you.

1693
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: Really want to make sure they are life all of

1694
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: the month's ideally, But it's like there's a real thing,

1695
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: but it's just like, yeah, great, you can make sure

1696
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: your baby's heart rate. No, you put the kid down

1697
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: when it fucking is ready, like when the kid is

1698
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: ready to sleep and you just fucking sit there and.

1699
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: Go, fuck, it's just please please please just go to sleep.

1700
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: Please don't do this to me. Please, Matt. You've got kids, y, Yeah, I.

1701
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 4: Got three, but each each one of them was different

1702
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 4: about the sleep thing.

1703
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 3: But I can't imagine using the thing that any of

1704
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 3: them simply because like, is there is there really even

1705
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 3: an optimal time?

1706
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: Like? Why else? So was this an ankle monitor?

1707
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1708
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 3: It goes. It's it's a they you strap it on

1709
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 3: their their leg, like around their ankle, and it's like

1710
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 3: a circular device and it lights up red when it's

1711
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 3: definitely not time.

1712
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 2: It lights up on their leg yes, and then what's

1713
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: the fuck?

1714
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 3: And then lights up green when it's almost time when

1715
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 3: they're drifting off this.

1716
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: Can I just be clear you're talking about attaching it

1717
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: flashing light to a newborn's ankle, yes, newbornes. And my

1718
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: distinct experience and new born is that sock just fucking

1719
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: comes off all the time. So you're like giving a

1720
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: flashing light to a baby.

1721
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: You gotta really clamp it on there. But I got

1722
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 2: to get it on tight.

1723
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: You don't think the baby's gonna see the flashing light

1724
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: one of the only things that can recognize in the

1725
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 1: complete I'm just fuck with it constantly because that's what you.

1726
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 8: I want one of those for like my seventeen year old,

1727
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 8: just to kind of be like, how you doing? Can

1728
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 8: I monitor your ankle?

1729
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1730
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: It's that cool?

1731
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: Is that right?

1732
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 4: If I get a push alert for our whole let

1733
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 4: me know if you're actually sleeping, we could all have ankle.

1734
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 8: In twelve yeah, rhyme.

1735
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1736
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: And when you think about what the problems are, it's

1737
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: like they're emotional, so take really can't fix that. They

1738
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: can add to the right if you'd like. If you'd

1739
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: like the more problems, the social network apps will help

1740
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: with that.

1741
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 5: Well.

1742
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 8: This is an interesting thing too. It's like the over

1743
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 8: monitoring versus like personal experience. Like we didn't use a

1744
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 8: lot of tech raising our kids, but other than iPads,

1745
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 8: but like we there's like personal experience. It's like do

1746
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 8: you want something to tell you how to cook or

1747
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 8: do you want to just like mess around with trying

1748
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 8: to see what cooks well and what burns and then

1749
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 8: you get natural experience that kind of gets ingrained and

1750
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 8: you go, oh, I know because I've been doing it

1751
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 8: over time. That's like parenting. You're like I begin to

1752
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 8: get a general feel and sense of that kid and

1753
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 8: their behavior. It just happens. It happens when you pay attention.

1754
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: And that's the thing Like I don't talk about much

1755
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: about myket on the show because I have a lot

1756
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: of people who listen to and I won't keep them.

1757
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: It's his world.

1758
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, you learn from your child what

1759
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: they have it so when they are sleepy, right when

1760
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: they will tell you I'm not tued, you'll go to sleep,

1761
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna fall asleep in two fucking with his brother,

1762
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: You're either get in that bad is a nice and

1763
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: couz you're going.

1764
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 2: To go right to sleep.

1765
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 4: Were like the category error that we're talking about here,

1766
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 4: where it's just like fundamentally being like do you want

1767
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 4: your phone to solve this thing that is like not

1768
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 4: your work, like not your commute, like the shit that

1769
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 4: like you have to do so that you can afford

1770
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 4: the others. It's like do you want us to take

1771
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 4: the experience like the actual pleasurable part of being alive,

1772
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 4: like and for me like as like a you know again,

1773
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 4: we don't have kids, we can afford to like make

1774
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 4: dinner most nights, like me and my wife Like that

1775
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 4: is like really fucking precious time to me. I like

1776
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 4: I think about it, you know, like we go in

1777
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 4: with a game plan. We enjoy like working and cooking together,

1778
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 4: and we're not exactly being like behind you chef like

1779
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 4: as we move through our shit laun but we're like

1780
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 4: closer than it's probably you know, healthy. But the idea

1781
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 4: of like replacing that with being like I'm just gonna

1782
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 4: like let my phone either tell me what to do

1783
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 4: or eventually. I mean this was like the big promise

1784
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 4: for a lot of the smart home shit last year

1785
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 4: was like just my house will do it, Like they'll

1786
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 4: make the coffee for me. It's like making coffee is

1787
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 4: really important to me. Actually, Like that is part of

1788
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 4: how I remember that I'm a human before I like

1789
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 4: get on my computer and get really upset about shit.

1790
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: All long, you know, like and it's like they don't

1791
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: solve the actual things which are annoying. Like I love

1792
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: my dinner with my olfriend.

1793
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 2: It's nice. It's nice it's an experience together, it's something

1794
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: you do.

1795
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: I fucking hate laundry and cleaning, and they've barey fucking

1796
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: good like they've been.

1797
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: I think, how long have you been going to CEES?

1798
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 8: Like it has been a long long time. So I

1799
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 8: went to my first CSH for work purposes probably two

1800
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 8: thousand and four.

1801
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: Okay, how many times?

1802
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 1: How many times have you seen oh, the same fucking one,

1803
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: the folding the laundry, the folding robot. Like I think

1804
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: over a decade, like there is one company that just

1805
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: every is like, this is the fucking year, folks.

1806
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,799
Speaker 3: There's one laundry company probably, but there's a few companies.

1807
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 4: I haven't been going anywhere near as long as you.

1808
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been a long time, and this is either

1809
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 8: year four or.

1810
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 3: Five for me, But I've already noticed there's companies that

1811
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 3: I feel like literally just exist to go to CES.

1812
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 3: Like they don't ever put anything out. They always bring

1813
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 3: the same or a similar product, and year after year

1814
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 3: it's just the same thing. And it's like, first of all,

1815
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 3: we do we get in the like I don't know

1816
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 3: how much it costs to show up and as with

1817
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: a booth at CES, but I'm guessing it's not cheap.

1818
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what do you what are you doing? The

1819
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: compete the money laundering show?

1820
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 8: No, I have notes for CS Unveiled like things like that.

1821
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 8: Here's my note for it based on what I saw yesterday.

1822
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 8: I made me think about. I was a judge at

1823
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 8: MIT Reality Hacket last year, which was actually really interesting

1824
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 8: because it's like it was a lot of students pitching

1825
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 8: random projects that involved like AR and XR, and you

1826
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 8: basically went around to a lot of tables and you

1827
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 8: had five minutes it was each one, and they had

1828
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 8: to come up with a pitch, and it was like okay,

1829
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 8: like I don't know what it could be, but it's

1830
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 8: like we did this thing, We're gonna come up with it.

1831
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 8: We're gonna get you experienced, get understand. It's like yeah,

1832
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 8: and it's like speed dating, but a show like Unveiled

1833
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 8: is not speed dating. It's literally just find your way.

1834
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 8: If they made it, I don't think i'd want it

1835
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 8: to be a speed dating but like, you have a

1836
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 8: bunch of tables, and if they're not like you say,

1837
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 8: if they're not perfectly clear and grabby and they have

1838
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 8: a headline. There are a lot of companies that was

1839
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 8: like Mercamo MA and it's like, okay, there's like it's

1840
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 8: just an empty table with like an item on it.

1841
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 8: And then it's like, is the game that I'm supposed

1842
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 8: to talk to you and retrieve the inform? I'm like,

1843
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 8: I can't. I can't right now, like and I don't.

1844
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 8: It's it I'm not into that game right now.

1845
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: And so I thought the.

1846
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 8: Pitches were not were not clear. A lot of companies,

1847
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 8: it also is like some like you know, could be

1848
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 8: international or whatever else, but it's like maybe they're looking

1849
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 8: for components or things, but this is a media more

1850
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 8: media focused thing and unveiled.

1851
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: And they pay extra for this, don't they.

1852
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, And so you go, why am I looking at that?

1853
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 8: I just don't have time and it's over stuffed with

1854
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 8: too many things. So and plus there are no like

1855
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 8: it's not like a grocery store where you're like, here's

1856
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 8: the baking stuff, here's the meats. Like I would like

1857
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 8: if they made categories where it's like the rope. The

1858
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 8: emotional robots that were like five of them, it's just as.

1859
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 4: Two hundred aisle three hundred. There were moments emotional robots

1860
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 4: that I kept walking through and being like, oh, I'm

1861
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 4: in the like this is the the sex apps, this

1862
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 4: is the like weird rights are everywhere, They're all over

1863
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 4: the place, and like Dido. For the one bit that

1864
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 4: seemed actually coherent, I remember was in like one of

1865
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 4: the basements last year that was like kind of the

1866
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 4: Hall of Nations and you would be going through and

1867
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 4: it's here's like the Netherlands wants to.

1868
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 2: Talk to you about what it is. That's the French zone.

1869
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 4: But it's the only bit that felt organized.

1870
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 8: But what's interesting that a scattershot Yeah that press event.

1871
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever I go down to the nation thing, what

1872
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 3: I actually usually get like a little bit angry about it.

1873
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 4: It's like, damn, this is this.

1874
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 3: This is like countries that actually support their their startup

1875
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 3: companies with funding because that's why they're there representing their country.

1876
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 4: And there's like no United States section because the US doesn't.

1877
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,879
Speaker 2: Do that show.

1878
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 8: What do you think this is?

1879
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: No, they usually have like a US government section though

1880
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: it's like oh, but it's just like this is what

1881
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: the post Office is doing in them.

1882
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 2: But it's not like the oh if there was a

1883
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,959
Speaker 2: c I A one, well that's the that's the Pallenteer.

1884
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 4: Right, I was gonna say, you.

1885
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: Go down to the CIA both he h what happened

1886
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: with JFK you do that?

1887
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: Was?

1888
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: That?

1889
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 2: Was that usday?

1890
01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: What do you do?

1891
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 2: I'll just watch the was you do that shit?

1892
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 1: I think I could probably get killed at that. Both

1893
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: one percent within fun just asking annoying questions. It is

1894
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 1: one thing just to go back to Scott said that,

1895
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: like it's funny. And I remember this experience again, like

1896
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: just because I you know, I haven't been on the.

1897
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: Floors this year.

1898
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 4: I felt last year both like heartened and a little

1899
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 4: bit embarrassed by how much like a little bit of

1900
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 4: oath mode curb appeal, like showmanship would like win me over.

1901
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 4: Like the reason I knew about that dog door was

1902
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 4: that they had they had made it out of some

1903
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 4: metal substance that they had, you know, like whatever, perfectly

1904
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 4: calibrated themselves and there was a big mallet that you

1905
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 4: could swing and hit it into the door and it

1906
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 4: never dented. Yeah, And so the reason I found it

1907
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 4: was that like I was walking around with the Jesse

1908
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 4: Farrar and we were like, what is that loud noise?

1909
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 4: And then just like a pair of dogs off leash

1910
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 4: wandered over and we're like what does this do? And

1911
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 4: like it was something I really liked learning about it,

1912
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,440
Speaker 4: Like I found the people very pleasing, uh you know, conversationalists.

1913
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: But it was one something that I found because that was.

1914
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 8: Exactly that exact why we're here. It's like, this is

1915
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 8: why it's a physical show. It's like there's the Internet,

1916
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 8: Like there's information everywhere. You could always be looking up

1917
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 8: stuff or what people are here. You should be like

1918
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 8: it goes back to that science fair type thing. It's like,

1919
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 8: is this you got to come up with a If

1920
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 8: you're gonna be here, you gotta come up with an

1921
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 8: interesting picture, like not don't do a stupid one, but

1922
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 8: do like a yeah, try to get something to catch

1923
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 8: our attention and explain it with just the whole point

1924
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 8: with the.

1925
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 2: Dogs just Jesse and I were the dogs And okay, what.

1926
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 3: Was interesting about you bringing up we were talking about

1927
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 3: just two seconds ago, the how nothing is like the

1928
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 3: layout is not planned and like categories what I'm dying

1929
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 3: to know if they do it again this this year,

1930
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 3: if there's even enough companies to fill it out. But

1931
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 3: last year there was one section and I brought it

1932
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 3: up on the show too, and I thought it was

1933
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 3: so funny. There was a Web three section and it

1934
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 3: was like, oh, these companies are now so embarrassing. We

1935
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 3: want like them off to the side, behind a curtain.

1936
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 3: We let them all in a specific section where they

1937
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 3: could be avoided, and it was like they were they were.

1938
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 3: There was no like strap crypto or blockchain companies, but

1939
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 3: they were still these companies that believed in like the

1940
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: promise of without using the word NFT, the promise of

1941
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 3: like the digital ownership of things and and the metaverse

1942
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 3: type stuff. And they actually did create a Web three

1943
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 3: section that that actually said the Web three like arena

1944
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: or something, and it was like, there's no reason to

1945
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 3: do that unless you want people to know where they

1946
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 3: can actively avoid.

1947
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 2: If they don't want that, yeah, well, like the five

1948
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: perverts that need to go there.

1949
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 4: Right, I feel like you're keeping everybody away from everybody

1950
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 4: else the way that there's people that are like I

1951
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 4: don't want to know.

1952
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't have a fucking dog, and I don't need

1953
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 2: a dog door.

1954
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 4: What I need is a picture of a dog that

1955
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 4: lives on the blockchain that's on my phone that I

1956
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 4: have most of my savings invested in collection.

1957
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 8: The dog simulacorus section.

1958
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, it takes all kinds. I don't it's a

1959
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 4: big market. Oh my god, yeah, it's there's supposed to

1960
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 4: be a holographic fish tank here. One of my colleagues

1961
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 4: what what Okay, what the fuck? I'm actually trying to

1962
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 4: find me. I don't know, but my colleagues said, we

1963
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 4: were trying to look for weird tech. We've actually been

1964
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 4: on the Lund and we said there's a holographic fish tank.

1965
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 8: And I said, I'm in apparently.

1966
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: Tech. How did it take you this long to bring

1967
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 2: it up? I've been, I've been. I want other people

1968
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 2: to talk all the fish let me tell you. I

1969
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: don't know.

1970
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 8: I want there to be I want to believe it's

1971
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 8: in the web.

1972
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 12: Three airing holographic as a holographic fish my.

1973
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 8: Left fish in the tank. I don't know what it is,

1974
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 8: but I do think so.

1975
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 10: All.

1976
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 8: The other thing is that last night we're talking about

1977
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 8: weird tech. Tieth thing the people had said to me

1978
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 8: caught the robe and I didn't see it. This doesn't

1979
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 8: sound that weird. It was a vibrating knife. Oh I

1980
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 8: saw the knife, Yeah, ultrasonic.

1981
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 3: It was apparently a knife you just like lightly hold

1982
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 3: ultrasonic call over to the vegetable or whatever you're trying

1983
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 3: to cut, just and then just like like barely any pressure,

1984
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 3: it just goes right through.

1985
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 4: It just wasn't visually appealing enough.

1986
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 8: Now I saw a knife that I skipped and I

1987
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 8: thought it already existed because I don't cover that beat.

1988
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 8: And I was like, it's probably the same vibrating knife

1989
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 8: that they had last year with a new feature.

1990
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 2: Tell me one, right, isn't this a thing?

1991
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 8: Or like William Gibson novels. Yeah, I feel like there's like.

1992
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: When I when I'm thinking of tech, I want I'm

1993
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: reading William Gibson.

1994
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 8: Maybe it was a.

1995
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 2: Section.

1996
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 4: So you're telling me you've created it. That's really interesting

1997
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 4: that this iron sprawl, it's so good.

1998
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: It's so good that I'm obsessed with this holographic fish tank.

1999
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: I'm anna fuck.

2000
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 8: I know, can we put on an ap B and

2001
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 8: to say if you are making a geographic fish tank,

2002
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 8: where it is?

2003
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 2: I know anybody was getting your ass for not bringing

2004
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 2: it up.

2005
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 4: I think it's very ethical that if you yourself have

2006
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 4: not seen a holographic fish tank, you would sound weird

2007
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,520
Speaker 4: if you were like I've heard tell of the holographic

2008
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 4: fish tank, know that you saw it, Like to get

2009
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 4: a description of it, I need to know I exactly,

2010
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 4: I need to see it myself.

2011
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 8: But but then the other thing I saw there on

2012
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 8: the floor that thought but apparently it already existed because

2013
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 8: I'm not looking at massage chair tech. But there was

2014
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 8: someone sitting in one of those giant moving massage chairs

2015
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 8: that was like it look they looked like a transformer,

2016
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 8: like they lifted on an arm and the arm was

2017
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 8: coming with them and the leg was moving with them.

2018
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 8: But then I brought that up to people and they

2019
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 8: were like, that's already been here, and I was like, okay,

2020
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 8: well that interested me.

2021
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 3: The man it was called the Best Massage Body's Friend

2022
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 3: or something like that.

2023
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 8: They were just moving, but it was like it was

2024
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 8: like you almost like you couldn't escape. It was like

2025
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 8: the as they were moving, the chair pieces would move

2026
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 8: still with their arms. And I saw that. I was

2027
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 8: like that, that's interesting, cyber Sofa.

2028
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: I love the massage chairs. It's the greatest scam at CS.

2029
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: Every song we run it, someone's like I just got

2030
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: best deal on the massage chairs, Like no, you did not, Yeah,

2031
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: you just got scam. No, it's like if you don't

2032
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 1: heard about the scam, No I haven't. So they have

2033
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: these lines of massage chairs and they're like, i'll give you,

2034
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,799
Speaker 1: I'll cut your special deal. They're not cutting you a specially.

2035
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 4: Yes, they see.

2036
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: Yes.

2037
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 2: If you walk around the main.

2038
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: Convention center, there's usually very you know that they're even

2039
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 1: trying to sell them. There's a very sad section where

2040
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 1: you see like the cs, like the guys who have

2041
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: been here twenty five since it was called the Comdex,

2042
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: Like the people have been here forever, and they're sitting

2043
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: in this chair just like fucking, just like fucking just

2044
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: the only only time I get away from my wife

2045
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: and kids. Just just sit in the fucking chair all day.

2046
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: I sell software, man, I just want to die, and

2047
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: they just sit in these chairs. But those people are

2048
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: not buying them. They just know you can scam, but

2049
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 1: no you will. I every few years I run and

2050
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: someone's like, I just got the best deal. It's like

2051
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: I paid seven thousand dollars for two chairs and like, yeah,

2052
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: the RP is one thousand dollars each. You've got fucking scam.

2053
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: It's like it's Ali Barba chair situation that massages you.

2054
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 2: I did not know this is going on.

2055
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 1: It's it's a you know what, it's part of the

2056
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Vegas experience, being like swindled by I mean I do

2057
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: know that a lot.

2058
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a lot.

2059
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: But there are companies that show up and like you

2060
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 3: could see on like the bad or do they have

2061
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 3: around their booth? They go like, oh, ask us about

2062
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 3: our ces only special? Yeah whatever, And I mean I'm

2063
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 3: here as media, so I would never spend any money

2064
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 3: like that, but I mean it always seems like is

2065
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 3: it is it really the best deal? Yeah?

2066
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: You were in less fucking Vegas. You think you're getting

2067
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 2: a deal.

2068
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 4: Here, you're getting dealt I A still like the idea

2069
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 4: of your walking through the like air purifire section where

2070
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 4: there's fifty identical products and being like this is the one,

2071
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 4: like do you can? I? Do you take venmo?

2072
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 2: I do?

2073
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 1: Like It's just like one year I had a bit

2074
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: where I just lifted up stuff and asked if I

2075
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: could have him and they really didn't like that, Like

2076
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: especially with the TVs.

2077
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 2: I just like, lift up, can I have this?

2078
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: And they looked at me, pausmon, No, it's just like, no, sugar,

2079
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah they don't.

2080
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 2: They don't.

2081
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 8: It wasn't bolted down, No exactly.

2082
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they do now. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

2083
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: what the fuck was I gonna do? You think there's

2084
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy's like running away with the TV

2085
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: making your escape through this.

2086
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can get out the door, you can

2087
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 2: keepe it. That should be the rule, se they should.

2088
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 2: Is there swag? Is there any swag you saw?

2089
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 4: I mean on the show floor?

2090
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 3: Usually not, but a lot of these companies when they

2091
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 3: see media, they want to especially the smaller like startups.

2092
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 8: They want you want to give out review it like this,

2093
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 8: so they'll they'll just like they'll come back later and

2094
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 8: there's a thing for you.

2095
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 2: Don't think kind of an or to me. No one

2096
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 2: ever off me anything like that, so you can't have this.

2097
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 3: The thing I noticed this year though, and this happened

2098
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 3: to me a few times, was they almost seem more

2099
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 3: interested in content creators now than like like like somebody

2100
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 3: you said to me like, oh, what do you do?

2101
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I'm a reporter for and

2102
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 3: they were like where are you based out of? And

2103
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 3: I was like New York and like, oh, maybe you

2104
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 3: could be our content creator from New York and.

2105
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm I just said I'm a

2106
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 4: real job.

2107
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 8: So yeah, cretill you see that at like yeah, at

2108
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 8: all the conferences where it's like there's there's been two

2109
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 8: different tracks, but also like a lot of stuff, I

2110
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 8: feel like tech companies have clearly been pushing that that

2111
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 8: focus to like the content creator influencer path. I mean

2112
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 8: a lot of it overlaps, but like it's a very

2113
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 8: different track. And then they're like that's the primary just

2114
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 8: mean a guy, they just.

2115
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 2: Mean spawn calling without the spawn.

2116
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that there's probably a lot of that of like

2117
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 4: people that like are on TikTok right, like check out

2118
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 4: all these crazy things I saw.

2119
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 8: Right right, they just want to listen to video.

2120
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 2: And the thing is I love getting free shit, but

2121
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not changing my opinion. Oh right, of course,

2122
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 2: that's the thing.

2123
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 4: It's you know, you want to review.

2124
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 3: I'm happy to review if I'm interested in the product

2125
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 3: and I think it's interesting or cool. But if it

2126
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 3: doesn't work or something's wrong or there are negatives, I'm

2127
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 3: going to be truthful.

2128
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 4: But it just like I'll be truthful if I think

2129
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 4: it's cool and works.

2130
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 9: You know.

2131
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 3: One interesting thing was one company actually said to me

2132
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 3: like when they asked where I you know what my

2133
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 3: outlet was, and I said Mashable and they were like, oh,

2134
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 3: what's the social media for it? And I was like, oh,

2135
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 3: it's a website, mashable dot com. And they immediately pulled

2136
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 3: up their YouTube app on their phone. It was like,

2137
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 3: let me see how many subscribers YouTube. And then they

2138
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 3: saw it and they were like, oh okay, So like

2139
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 3: that's that's the example. I'm like, what we're dealing with

2140
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,560
Speaker 3: now in terms of like content creators mean more of

2141
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 3: these companies now then then actual outlets. They didn't even

2142
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 3: respond to the website. They didn't even bring up their

2143
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 3: safari And when Mashable.

2144
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 8: It always makes me sad when people say like, oh,

2145
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 8: I've seen your it's nice. Oh I've seen all your videos.

2146
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 8: But I'm like, do you read any I write articles?

2147
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 8: And they're just like, huh, don't let's get that what

2148
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 8: you just said. I don't want to hear that part.

2149
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 1: So as we come to the end of this day,

2150
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, Matt Benda, you've been joining us

2151
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: from Mashable.

2152
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 2: Of course, thank you for being here.

2153
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, and of course Scott Steins and saw Hey,

2154
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,640
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for being here, and David Roll

2155
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: from DEFECTI you're gonna be here for a couple more,

2156
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: six more and this and this next ad is just

2157
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: for Birds's just try them today, birds. Whatever comes next,

2158
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: I think it's for birds.

2159
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 2: Welcome back to.

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01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: The Better Offline CS experience and of course your host

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01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: ed Zichron. And now I'm joined by of course David

2162
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: Roth DEFECTA Hello, Edward Ngueiso Junior, the Tech Bubble Newsletter, Hello,

2163
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,719
Speaker 1: and at Lisa ed Ajico of CNN, thanks for joining.

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01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 11: Us, Lisa, of course, thanks for having me.

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01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: So you saw a trifold Samsung Galaxy phone and the

2166
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: listeners got mad at me last time for being excited

2167
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: about something.

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01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 4: What do you know?

2169
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 2: Picks one? What one for me? But yeah, so you've

2170
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 2: seen the trifold.

2171
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 4: What was it like?

2172
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 10: It was really cool, but I think my biggest criticism

2173
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 10: of it was that it didn't really provide a compelling

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01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,440
Speaker 10: reason to want this bigger screen.

2175
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 11: That folds up and fits into your pocket.

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01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 10: It's really cool when you hold it like you open

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01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 10: it up, kind of like a brochure or a pamphlet.

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01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 11: It you know, has two folds.

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01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 10: Who open it, it folds into threes, right, and then

2180
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 10: when it's open it's a really slim tablet. But then

2181
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 10: it's just you know, it kind of feels like the

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01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 10: Fold Plus in a way, like I feel like you

2183
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 10: can get a similar experience with the Z fold, which

2184
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 10: already exists. So that said, I only had a few

2185
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 10: minutes with it.

2186
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 2: Was it though, like? How many?

2187
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 5: How?

2188
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 2: What was it like? Ten inches? I guess that.

2189
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, so it's ten inches, so it's more like the

2190
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 10: size of an iPad when it's open, slightly smaller than

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01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 10: like an iPad air. And then the Z fold is

2192
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 10: more closer to the size of like an iPad Mini when.

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01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 11: It's open, So that's kind of the difference.

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01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 10: And then when it's closed, it's I think around I

2195
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 10: think the screen is six point five inches. I would

2196
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 10: have to double check that, but you know the size

2197
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 10: of a Plus phone or a Promax phone whatever.

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01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 11: Did they give you a price, No, they didn't say pricing.

2199
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 2: Yet that thing's would be to and off grand It's good.

2200
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot.

2201
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 10: I mean those Z fold sevens already like two thousand

2202
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 10: dollars really, so.

2203
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't be mad.

2204
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: See, this is the thing, this is my weak point.

2205
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to get so many hemause people people got

2206
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: so Legitimately, people got really upset at me when Lisa

2207
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: was on because I was.

2208
01:34:57,960 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 2: Like, I like the idea, and then like you need

2209
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 2: to hide everything. I'm full of joy I sometimes they

2210
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 2: won't allow me.

2211
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 4: They won't to have his screen time, takes it away

2212
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 4: from you, make me read more books.

2213
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: No, it's but I kind of like that they're doing something,

2214
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 1: Like I love the idea of a giant foldable.

2215
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 2: I'm a freak, I guess.

2216
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: But it's like, it's sad they haven't When you say

2217
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: it isn't like they haven't thought through why you'd need it.

2218
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:24,839
Speaker 2: What do you mean exactly?

2219
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 10: I was kind of hoping that the software would do

2220
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 10: something a little different and interesting. But that said, to

2221
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 10: your point, I'm happy that Samsung is doing something because

2222
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:39,719
Speaker 10: they have been showing these concepts for years, different kinds

2223
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 10: of foldables that fold in funky, weird ways, and they

2224
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 10: keep saying, yeah, we're working on something, we're working on something,

2225
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:47,560
Speaker 10: and then we just had no idea if any of

2226
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 10: those concepts would actually ever come to fruition. So I'm

2227
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,120
Speaker 10: glad to see that they're experimenting and they're still doing that.

2228
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 10: But to me, my immediate reaction was like, oh, wow,

2229
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 10: this is really cool. But it doesn't it feels almost

2230
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 10: like the Fold did a couple of years ago when

2231
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 10: it's closed, because it's kind of thick, right, So it

2232
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 10: just didn't feel as different as I thought it would,

2233
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 10: I guess. And I think part of that is because

2234
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 10: when you open it, it's like you have the bigger

2235
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 10: screen or the front screen.

2236
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 11: You don't have the in between, and that's kind of

2237
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 11: what do you mean by that?

2238
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 10: So I think, and I'd have to double check, but

2239
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 10: I think it was either some of Samsung's concepts or

2240
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 10: like maybe the Huawei phone, like you can kind of

2241
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 10: use the different panels as like their own individual screens.

2242
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 2: Like oh yes, you have different apps on them.

2243
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, like almost have like three screens in one, and

2244
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 10: like this doesn't really do that. It just has like

2245
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 10: the open state where it's a tablet and then the

2246
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 10: closed state where it's a phone, which is still useful,

2247
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 10: but it doesn't.

2248
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 2: Feel that differ Grande.

2249
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, And the one thing that I thought was was

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01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 10: interesting that Samsung is kind of thinking of is this

2251
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:54,560
Speaker 10: being not just like a phone and a tablet, but

2252
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 10: maybe a phone a tablet and also like a mini

2253
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 10: PC if you like cook it up with like Bluetooth

2254
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 10: keyboard and mens or whatever. Yeah, they're still trying that,

2255
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 10: but yeah, I don't know, it's interesting, but I feel

2256
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,759
Speaker 10: like the this thing is probably going to be expensive,

2257
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 10: so the use case has to be really compelling, and

2258
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 10: their z fold phones are only just starting to take

2259
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 10: off a little bit, so I feel like it's you know,

2260
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 10: it's going to be a long road ahead for something

2261
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 10: like this, but I'm glad they're doing it at something.

2262
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2263
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like there's like we're already like the

2264
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 4: show hasn't officially started yet, and just from the three

2265
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 4: episodes that I've been on, everybody so like, well, you

2266
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 4: know what, Like obviously I would never use this, and

2267
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 4: I don't think that'll ever really get made, but I

2268
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 4: really appreciate that they're rolling the dice and having fun

2269
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 4: out there, and it does feel like that's what it is.

2270
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 4: And so like what you're describing is like this was

2271
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 4: something that you know, as somebody who doesn't generally follow

2272
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,640
Speaker 4: this like part of the fun of it for me

2273
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 4: last year was like legitimate idiot awe at sort of

2274
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 4: like the fuck it, we're doing five blades stuff where

2275
01:37:58,360 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 4: they're just like we figured out how to do.

2276
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 2: Like the TV is so good that you couldn't actually

2277
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 2: watch anything on it.

2278
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 4: But it's like fine, at least they're doing something it's

2279
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 4: better than them, just sort of like spackling some you know,

2280
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 4: notional AI modality over it and being like a it's

2281
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 4: gonna make friends for you while you sit at home.

2282
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: I did see they have added nano banana to televisions now, and.

2283
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 4: I feel like you are thrilled to hear you say.

2284
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 1: I hate saying nano banana. I think it's a fucking

2285
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: terrible name. I think who ever came up with the

2286
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: name should be electrocute.

2287
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 4: Do you share a stupid accent thing that I heard

2288
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 4: on the plane lift? It means a guy behind me,

2289
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 4: an Australian guy ordered sprite with ice in an Australian accent.

2290
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 4: Just something to think about what that might sound like.

2291
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: Do you wonder anyone Australian If you're an Australian, listen,

2292
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 1: then please record.

2293
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 2: Get to record it.

2294
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 1: It's like just email me easy at Better Offline dot com.

2295
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: If you record yourself as an Australian saying it, if

2296
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:01,799
Speaker 1: you ask.

2297
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 10: My Australian friends from yeah, let's not let's get the

2298
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 10: Australian is the one thing that people love.

2299
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 4: It's being like, your voices are fucked up? You mind

2300
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:11,959
Speaker 4: saying a few freezes?

2301
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 10: Yeah I know nothing about that happened to me when

2302
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 10: I was on vacation in Ireland like last year, Like

2303
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 10: a cashier at a convenience store was like can you

2304
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 10: say this?

2305
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 11: And I was like why, you know, it's really bizarre.

2306
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my life.

2307
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: This is my life is people people turning to me

2308
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,879
Speaker 1: and saying I can't help myself.

2309
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 2: I have to do my accent if.

2310
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 11: You can help yourself.

2311
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 2: No, if you've ever said this to me, you're a

2312
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 2: fucking liar. Oh I have a thing. No, you don't.

2313
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 2: You think your British accent is good and you want

2314
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 2: me to tell you it's good. It's never good. It's

2315
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 2: never been good. Stop going to be clear. This is

2316
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 2: no your British accent is funny. If you just to

2317
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 2: be clear.

2318
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 1: If you're making fun of England, bully for you, I'm

2319
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 1: right there with you. I don't really have one. I

2320
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: just period be like what or like my exactly, like

2321
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: that's that's all I've got, And that's fine. I that too,

2322
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 1: but it's just, yeah, sprite with ice. It doesn't sound

2323
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: good when I.

2324
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 5: Say you want to give us a demonstration.

2325
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 4: It was basically like sprite with boys. It wasn't. That

2326
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 4: wasn't that was British that it wasn't.

2327
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 2: That's pretty good sprought with us. He was two.

2328
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,640
Speaker 1: I was into CS coverage and this is this is

2329
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: Gemini generate making sounds back and forth to each other.

2330
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 4: It's just pure whale song.

2331
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:32,560
Speaker 1: But no, I like the idea that like someone is

2332
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 1: generating images on their TEP like what fucking freak did that?

2333
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:39,719
Speaker 1: And was like, you know what, people wanted to generate

2334
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 1: an image? No, no, no one who's ever been I

2335
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 1: wish I could generate something on my.

2336
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 5: Friends to this photo of me alone on the.

2337
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 10: Part of a lot of these tech companies have been

2338
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 10: trying to make TVs something that they're not for a

2339
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 10: long time, like trying to make them all these different

2340
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 10: types of ambient computers and whatever, and I feel like

2341
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 10: that's just part of that effort, and CS is the

2342
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 10: hub of all of that.

2343
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 2: I'm staying in the cap earlier.

2344
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: It's just like, at some point, it's fucking television, right.

2345
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,640
Speaker 11: People just want a really nice scream. I think that

2346
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 11: they want to look at.

2347
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: There was the thing of like, oh, you won't have

2348
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: to plug devices into them. Now you can do Netflix

2349
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: on it. Great, okay, now you can play games. And

2350
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: I saw someone announce you can do Xbox Gaming Game Pass,

2351
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: which kind of make and that's I'm kind of like, fine,

2352
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: that makes sense streaming and now what and.

2353
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 2: They're like fucking banana.

2354
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

2355
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,600
Speaker 6: Now, when you get home drunk at night and the

2356
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 6: TV's a little too dim.

2357
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:41,560
Speaker 13: You could go the GV Yeah, Gemini eleven, just like

2358
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 13: please Gemini Star Wars Picture nine eleven, Like just.

2359
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 2: Like, just are you sure calling your mother?

2360
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 10: No?

2361
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: Nope, you can't do that from a television though, you

2362
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: actually can't. Like calling people are like Facebook, Facebook Portal

2363
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: is weirdly enough, like the only product that can reliably

2364
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: do that.

2365
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 2: It's really weird.

2366
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 11: Is that true?

2367
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: It's really hard to find a television because honestly, a

2368
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: TV a TV with a camera, and it is bad.

2369
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like a weirdly rare product.

2370
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, the Facebook portal is actually good.

2371
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 11: Because that's like one of the few products I actually

2372
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 11: have never tried.

2373
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: Don't worry they killed it, yeah that much. I know

2374
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: They're like, no, no, no, no, no, we need to

2375
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 1: you can't find your friends on Facebook? Oh, Facebook portal

2376
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: just to talk to your family?

2377
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 5: Not so fast? The fuck?

2378
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 2: You want some glasses? You want some glasses? They kind

2379
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 2: of work.

2380
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 4: What if it let you talk to a local restaurant?

2381
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,759
Speaker 4: It like has a lot of weirdly racist posts.

2382
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 2: Is that what you want? During Hey guys, what's my flood?

2383
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: It's just trying to get away from the core function

2384
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 1: because there's not really many reasons to buy on u

2385
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: TV anymore, because I mean I have like a like,

2386
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,479
Speaker 1: I'm an upgrade pig. I love upgrading my phone. I'll

2387
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: love the slightly faster, better experience. I'm not going to

2388
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 1: upgrade my TV until it breaks. It's full k it's

2389
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: icg my two point one.

2390
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 10: I mean, people just want bigger TVs that look nice,

2391
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 10: that don't cost as much what everybody wants.

2392
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,759
Speaker 2: I have a really big, like eighty five inch so Brava.

2393
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: Oh it was seventeen. It was seventeen hundred dollars six

2394
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: years ago, I think, And it's like, why would I

2395
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:16,639
Speaker 1: am great?

2396
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 2: What possible reason?

2397
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 1: And the TV companies are saying that's just been like

2398
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: because there really isn't. It's like, oh, I can have

2399
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: Gemini on my TV a pyfrate not to.

2400
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Be on the right.

2401
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 4: Also like funny to your point, like the way that

2402
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 4: this is like the the purpose of CES versus the

2403
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 4: purpose of like consumer entertainment as you like would consume it,

2404
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 4: or consumer electronics as you would consume it. It's basically

2405
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 4: like you want the good TV. But they they would

2406
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 4: be bored, and they probably sense that if you, as

2407
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 4: a CEES attendee, would be bored if they're just like

2408
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 4: showing you a dope new TV that's showing a movie

2409
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 4: on it that's.

2410
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, what if it had one key feature that

2411
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 2: worked thirty percent.

2412
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 4: Of Yeah, would that be new? Would that seem intriguing

2413
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 4: to you?

2414
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2415
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 4: But that is one hundred percent, Like it feels like

2416
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 4: that is I don't know what percentage off here.

2417
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they even do.

2418
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 1: They have a TV section, we're just showing you know,

2419
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: stuff great every like micro l ed or many.

2420
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 2: They have new stuff, and the TV's are thinner. There's

2421
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 2: a very thin year.

2422
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:12,600
Speaker 5: I saw TVs you could bend, and I was like,

2423
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 5: I love that.

2424
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 2: I love spender, Like, what's going?

2425
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: I just get.

2426
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 5: God, I got the betterble TV. Last night would have

2427
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 5: gone different.

2428
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,480
Speaker 2: I was. I wanted to fight by television.

2429
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 4: We're marketing this exclusively to fans a bad NFL team, Cowboys.

2430
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 5: I'm a Cowboys fan. How many knights? If I wanted

2431
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 5: to break my TV?

2432
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm a Raiders fan, I don't even turn it on.

2433
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Probably there's just no needs. Oh they lost, and you

2434
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: they were done after the second game. They won three

2435
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:50,600
Speaker 1: of the.

2436
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 5: Don't worry one day. We're gonna win a super Bowl each.

2437
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I actually don't know which of us has

2438
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 2: the worst chance.

2439
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,599
Speaker 4: You're probably not old enough to remember a Cowboys super

2440
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 4: Bowl winner, are you?

2441
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 10: No?

2442
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 4: That's well I am, and the worst guys in America

2443
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 4: are going to be celebrating right alongside you when it happens. Yeah,

2444
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 4: old enough to remember a Raider's super Bowl win, but

2445
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 4: I'm sure it'll be very nice.

2446
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2447
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 1: I'll get Gemini to generate It's sorry, I can't do that.

2448
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:27,560
Speaker 2: It's too unrealistic. Yeah, reality chat, you're trying to spread misinformation.

2449
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 5: They would never win.

2450
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's And the thing is is, I don't I

2451
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 1: can think of ways my life could be like the

2452
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 1: laundry bot we were talking about last time. All of

2453
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 1: those fall down because it's like the actual way that

2454
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: people experience laundry is a large pile of stuff. Like

2455
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,560
Speaker 1: it's just like I the sock is in within the

2456
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 1: katamari of ship that I've left for too long. I

2457
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 1: want to be able to chuck the katamari into a

2458
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,919
Speaker 1: box and then laundry comes out. There are also services

2459
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 1: that do that. You can do there's washing folds in

2460
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 1: New York. It's kind of like could do that. It's like,

2461
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 1: or you could spend five thousand dollars and something that

2462
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 1: I assume you need to like neatly thread the thing into.

2463
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 1: And the TV problem is a lot of things look weird,

2464
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 1: like you to customize like different situations like sports games

2465
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 1: look different to movies and such. TV don't seem to

2466
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: be trying to fix that, like the fact that every

2467
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 1: show is incredibly dark.

2468
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 11: Now that's what they should be using AI honestly, Yeah.

2469
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,799
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, do you need no banana,

2470
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 1: you need television freaking nine to eleven. You need to

2471
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 1: look better, you want stranger things to look good.

2472
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 2: Fuck you?

2473
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 4: Yeah there, Yeah, seriously, he was kind of spitting there for.

2474
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: I'll be rapping by the end of this show. Did

2475
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 1: you see anything? What else have you seen the show other.

2476
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 10: Than yeah, so here other than the phone? Lots of robots.

2477
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 10: I would say, that's always a big kind of robots.

2478
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 10: One that plays chess, and it's like absurdly expensive.

2479
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 2: How much was it did you find out? I you

2480
01:46:58,200 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 2: know what, I I forget.

2481
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 11: I remember being like, wow, that's a lot.

2482
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,599
Speaker 10: It was kind of something I saw on I don't

2483
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 10: know if it was thousands, but it was something that

2484
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 10: was marketed as like, hey, buy this if you like

2485
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,400
Speaker 10: really love to play chess but you don't have anyone

2486
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 10: to play with, or you want your kid to learn

2487
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 10: how to play chess or.

2488
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 2: Something you don't want to use any of the computer chests, right.

2489
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 4: Exactly, Like there's a whole Yeah, I think that this

2490
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:20,560
Speaker 4: that again is like another one of those kind of

2491
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:22,240
Speaker 4: class right.

2492
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 11: That's the other thing.

2493
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 10: Another thing I saw was a robot or it's really

2494
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 10: just more of a machine that sits under countertop. But

2495
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 10: you know, everything is a robot at ces that can

2496
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,719
Speaker 10: cook for you if you like, almost like a carrig

2497
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 10: for food, where you put ingredients in and it.

2498
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:40,719
Speaker 4: Knows extrude temperature stew.

2499
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 10: Like, yeah, it was a lot of things where it's

2500
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 10: just like, Okay, nobody wants to do anything, but none

2501
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 10: of these alternatives seem right.

2502
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 4: But it's like like more degrading than any of the

2503
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,599
Speaker 4: other options, Like like I don't want to call someone

2504
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 4: them deliver something to my home. I'm just going to

2505
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 4: stuff a bunch of celery into this hole and see

2506
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 4: what happens.

2507
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 10: It's like really dark and maybe I'm oversimplifying it again.

2508
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 10: This is like me just walking around Cees unveiled last

2509
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 10: night and being like, oh, there's a lot of people

2510
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 10: at this station, so let me see what everyone's looking at.

2511
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 10: And yeah, that was just like the impression that I

2512
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:21,720
Speaker 10: got though. It seems similar to like a carrig but

2513
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 10: for food, like you put the ingredients in, it knows

2514
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 10: the recipes.

2515
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 2: Or whatever, and.

2516
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know, it was it was really bizarre.

2517
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 2: But but how does like how does the food get

2518
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:34,799
Speaker 2: in that? Do you just throw a bunch of carrots.

2519
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, you have ingredients that you like put in and

2520
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 10: it knows what the ingredients are and it has recipes

2521
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 10: or something.

2522
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 2: Now it's like you see commercials for it.

2523
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:46,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've used it.

2524
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 11: It's not it's not bad.

2525
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 2: It's not bad.

2526
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 5: Is it like Okay I put the ingredients in their nose?

2527
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 5: Or you got to sit there being like okay I

2528
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 5: put in a sealery I put it.

2529
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 10: No, no, no, there's like a there's like recipe packs

2530
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 10: and stuff, something like the recipe book or something.

2531
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 11: Again, I am like probably watching the details.

2532
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 3: Like that.

2533
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 11: That's a question.

2534
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 4: I'm the guy that was initially like, well you just

2535
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 4: put carrots in it. What you're seeing makes a lot

2536
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 4: more sense than what was just coming out.

2537
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 5: Of the mount. Also, there are startups out there that

2538
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 5: would do yeah, you put a carroing in there.

2539
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 1: I like the Samsung fridge though with Gemini and it.

2540
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 1: I did see that earlier Gemini.

2541
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 2: Fridge where it's like I haven't seen that. It's so good.

2542
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 1: You read the product demonstration thing and it's like, yeah,

2543
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: you can use your voice to open and close the door.

2544
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, just you've never opened a fridge like

2545
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 1: it's like, finally a way to open the fridge.

2546
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 11: That's not the problem that needs solving.

2547
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 10: Their argument is like a, well, it's also been around it,

2548
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 10: like not like the voice element, but like didn't LG

2549
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:50,639
Speaker 10: haven't they been showing fridges for years that have motion

2550
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:51,879
Speaker 10: sensors if your hands.

2551
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:53,760
Speaker 4: Like one of those things where it's like as an

2552
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 4: accessibility technology, it's probably existed for a long time, and

2553
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 4: now they're just sort of like people are forgetting how

2554
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 4: to open the fridge. It's one of the big problems

2555
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 4: face society.

2556
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 5: At home.

2557
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 6: Just imagine if we had a screen on the fridge

2558
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 6: that you could talk to and it would tell you

2559
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 6: what's inside, you don't.

2560
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 10: Ever have to I love I think you should leave

2561
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 10: like what exactly, I don't know what any of the exactly.

2562
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 11: I don't know what I'm doing.

2563
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: I do love the ones where it's like we will

2564
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 1: find we use AI to tell you what's in your fridge.

2565
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 2: It's like fun, I had no idea something else I'll

2566
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 2: do that.

2567
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 11: No, I was gonna say.

2568
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 10: There are so many times when I overby because I'm

2569
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 10: at the store and I'm like, I'm probably low on this,

2570
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 10: but I don't know, so I do feel like that

2571
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 10: could be actually.

2572
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you send you're going to save five

2573
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,440
Speaker 1: dollars on carrots.

2574
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 10: Then but then you end up with so many carrots

2575
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 10: and you're like, oh man, I bought too many carrots again.

2576
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 4: I have to feed them the thing that I keep

2577
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:54,599
Speaker 4: on my counter that turns me into crembrew let.

2578
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 2: Somehow I love.

2579
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,599
Speaker 1: That. Really, it does feel like there's a certain degree though,

2580
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: of just that they're like, what are human concerns? Well,

2581
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 1: there's poverty, and there's a living situation, and there's healthcare.

2582
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 2: Hmm, No, that's just how do you open a fridge?

2583
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:13,759
Speaker 5: Would you like a butler?

2584
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 2: What is in fridge? Would you like a butler?

2585
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 1: Okay, so someone someone that can clean up for me

2586
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: and someone could do my laundry.

2587
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, no, we can't do that.

2588
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:32,600
Speaker 1: What if nano banana? All roads lead to Gemini? And

2589
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 1: it's just like I'm just I'm really looking forward to

2590
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: seeing deep into the depths of this show and just

2591
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 1: being like, what what reason have you come up with?

2592
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 1: Like last year, I remember there was this air purifier

2593
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 1: with a big spike underneath him, and I walked up

2594
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 1: to the person. I'm like, what's with the spike and

2595
01:51:51,479 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 1: they took a second to register because no one had

2596
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 1: spoken to them in that manner, and they're like, oh, no,

2597
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 1: it's really obvious.

2598
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm like sure, no, you'll never believe this. It's it's like, no,

2599
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 2: it's for dogs, Like what yeah, it was like it

2600
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 2: was a hair thing.

2601
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 5: I remember it was.

2602
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:10,599
Speaker 1: It was an air purified well the dog and then

2603
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 1: they pust one or a cat could use it to

2604
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 1: scratch themselves.

2605
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 2: Am I just like do you have a dog?

2606
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: Like no, I'm like great, because well I don't know

2607
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 1: when like a dog's just walking around looking for places

2608
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: to scrap.

2609
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 5: Like it's just like someone who one time had their

2610
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 5: cat or dog go on the air purify're like wha

2611
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 5: yehoa whoa something for them?

2612
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 6: Do you ever know when inspirations a little weird?

2613
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 1: Though, it's also like, how do you scratch a cat? Like,

2614
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm one of the most pleasant things in the world,

2615
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: is like panting a cat.

2616
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 11: It's like, nah, I don't want something that does that for.

2617
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,679
Speaker 4: That's APEX level, like solving a problem that you don't

2618
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 4: have stuff. But it's like you're wasting too much time

2619
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 4: that you could be spending sending emails, and you don't

2620
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 4: touching your pet that you love.

2621
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 5: Don't want to you pet.

2622
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 6: I don't want to teach your kids how to play jazz,

2623
01:53:05,479 --> 01:53:07,280
Speaker 6: don't want to use your TV, don't don't want.

2624
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 2: To cut I don't want to That's time you could

2625
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 2: be on work calls. Yeah, but you know what, Actually,

2626
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 2: let's just imagine shareholder, your eyes on the price.

2627
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: What are you fucking doing when all of this stuff

2628
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 1: is automated, just sitting inert waiting for the next email.

2629
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 4: That's what we're having emotion brother, Yeah, I'm moving up

2630
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:27,599
Speaker 4: the corporate ladder option.

2631
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:32,160
Speaker 2: That's my slot machine spit like burps out puree.

2632
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 5: You're a zoom corn. It's the loudest background, you know.

2633
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,800
Speaker 1: I got I got a Ninja creamy one of the

2634
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 1: worst name things of all time. And it is you

2635
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: feed stuff into it, you have to freeze it, and

2636
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:47,560
Speaker 1: you turn it on and it makes.

2637
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:53,080
Speaker 2: More noise than I have ever heard. Machine. No, it

2638
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 2: just makes ice cream that's like sometimes the right texture.

2639
01:53:57,479 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 5: I love it.

2640
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2641
01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 5: When I think of ice cream, I think of ice

2642
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 5: cream shops. It's never never heard loud noises.

2643
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so loud it sounds like it's.

2644
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 11: Everyone knows you're making ice cream.

2645
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 3: The first time I.

2646
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:18,800
Speaker 2: Used to the third time today right there and it

2647
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 2: shapes violently. It's like, this is real.

2648
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 8: Yes, it's so loud.

2649
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:26,600
Speaker 2: I remember the first time I to know.

2650
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, this must be something I looked on YouTube.

2651
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 1: This people being like, yeah, I've got the creamy on.

2652
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 1: It's like two hundred and fifty dollars. Just one of

2653
01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:39,560
Speaker 1: the many times the wallet inspector has visited me.

2654
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,280
Speaker 5: You know that it was so loud and they were like,

2655
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 5: should be reduced, and they're like, nah.

2656
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 4: Fucking ice cream, these holes anything, no idea what these

2657
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 4: people are willing to put up with their little treats.

2658
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 1: And it's no, it's aimed at people who want to

2659
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: like lose weight. And okay, because you so you can

2660
01:54:58,680 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 1: make sugar free ice.

2661
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 4: Cream, okay, but it's like the makes ice cream so

2662
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 4: unpleasant to consider it.

2663
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:08,000
Speaker 2: It's just like you have thinking like.

2664
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:13,560
Speaker 4: Ice cream is when I have a headache really bad.

2665
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 2: No, I you know, I put it in another room.

2666
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 2: I closed the door.

2667
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 4: My kid was asleep.

2668
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 2: I had to move it.

2669
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 11: Like if there the ice cream room.

2670
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 6: Let me just think your kitchen now got to be

2671
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 6: in another room because they're so fucking yeah, we're just

2672
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 6: rufting the kitchen.

2673
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:33,200
Speaker 2: Okay.

2674
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 4: The only thing to that were like a drum set

2675
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:36,600
Speaker 4: and a ninja creamy.

2676
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 2: List. Did you see anything else?

2677
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 4: Was it?

2678
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:42,080
Speaker 2: Were they loud?

2679
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 4: Was the loudest gadget, the loudest gadget.

2680
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 11: Oh gosh, I don't know. It's I mean, it's always

2681
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 11: so loud. Just at ce S.

2682
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 10: Everybody's screaming everywhere, like chen, Like it's for everyone's shouting,

2683
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 10: like I can't hear myself.

2684
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 2: Think, I don't anyone's screaming, screaming trying.

2685
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:04,760
Speaker 11: To film videos. It's like shouting over each other and

2686
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 11: trying to ask questions.

2687
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 4: Yea, the level of ambient noises, yeah, exactly. Although the

2688
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 4: other bit that I remember from I mean exactly love

2689
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:15,120
Speaker 4: the experience. But last year going to the convention center,

2690
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 4: to the entire floor that was just like white label

2691
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:24,040
Speaker 4: electronics from China's USB and it was silent, Yeah, totally,

2692
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 4: like you could hear the HVAC system going and like

2693
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 4: to hear the sound of someone sleeping softly in one

2694
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:32,480
Speaker 4: of the booths, and that was it. They're both pretty unsettling, Honestly,

2695
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 4: if I had to shoot video. I would do it

2696
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 4: in the hall of USB cables, the whole of silence.

2697
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 4: Like I also don't want to go back there.

2698
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:41,320
Speaker 1: It's great you go in there with the media badge

2699
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:45,000
Speaker 1: and like everyone's like every head switches to look at you,

2700
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 1: like you've hit someone in marrow wind.

2701
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 2: Stop, citizen. Let me show you my.

2702
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 8: Every booth is.

2703
01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 4: Trying to send you on the side class like I can't.

2704
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:01,720
Speaker 4: I can't know to find the big l G things.

2705
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:05,480
Speaker 2: Interested you got any ice cream machines that are very loud?

2706
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 2: Like no, but we have an LM for Pets sound device.

2707
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 1: LM for Pets was last year really disappointing because it

2708
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 1: was just like a health app versus something to translate

2709
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 1: my cat's noise.

2710
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 5: And when I.

2711
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:23,000
Speaker 1: Posted about it, the company fucking emailed me. They were like, actually,

2712
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:26,480
Speaker 1: please don't. I just was like, no, I'm not taking

2713
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 1: down my post. Fucking soup. I didn't say that, but

2714
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:31,680
Speaker 1: if they being if I called my lore, I'm like,

2715
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm being sued by an l M pets company, he

2716
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 1: would be like he would not be surprised.

2717
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 6: You got to send him a video of your cat

2718
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:39,320
Speaker 6: knowing really aggressively.

2719
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, me to Barb treats me with adoration.

2720
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 6: The only time my cats really get down like that

2721
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 6: is like if I sleep in and didn't feed them

2722
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 6: at six a m. You know, as opposed to seven a.

2723
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 2: My cats just graze.

2724
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:59,320
Speaker 1: They happily graze, and they don't get fat too, they

2725
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:00,880
Speaker 1: just perfect.

2726
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 10: The mine have started grazing, but they used to not,

2727
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 10: and they're still on the like oh my god, I

2728
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 10: need food right now kind of mindset. And then you

2729
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 10: give them their food and they're like, I'll have two

2730
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:11,000
Speaker 10: bites and then Exactually sometimes they screamed.

2731
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:17,200
Speaker 6: To make me watch them eat, and then I'm like, okay,

2732
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 6: what's up. You got your food, and then they started.

2733
01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 1: I have seen a few links to like pets that

2734
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,600
Speaker 1: people have here, Like I saw before the show there

2735
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:29,720
Speaker 1: was this one that makes noise and peurs and is warm,

2736
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:31,520
Speaker 1: which sounds like those ones.

2737
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 2: Again, not going to be cynical.

2738
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 1: About those, because there's old people who people with dementia

2739
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:36,920
Speaker 1: who can't look after.

2740
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:40,560
Speaker 2: A pet, except they made one that has needs as

2741
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 2: in like you have to like head.

2742
01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, so I get none of the

2743
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:51,480
Speaker 1: benefits of a living creature, but most of the obligation.

2744
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 6: Something I don't think they'll have a CS, but I've

2745
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 6: been seeing New York vabes with Tomagachi in them that

2746
01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:57,960
Speaker 6: you have to keep hitting to keep them alive.

2747
01:58:58,440 --> 01:58:59,280
Speaker 4: Oh God, what would?

2748
01:58:59,400 --> 01:58:59,800
Speaker 2: What would?

2749
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:00,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2750
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 1: Because because the problem with vapes is people don't want

2751
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:06,800
Speaker 1: to use the Yeah, we need to make nicotine more addictati.

2752
01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 1: We're gamifying the addictions.

2753
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, steal your friends vape and see what happens

2754
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 6: thirty seconds later.

2755
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, killed it. They should have killed my VeVe.

2756
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 8: It's dead.

2757
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 2: I truly know someone who's very stone, just crying their

2758
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:29,440
Speaker 2: eyes out. What did I do? I killed my vape

2759
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,000
Speaker 2: and I can't find my keys? There in your hand.

2760
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 5: To help you process the death of your vape.

2761
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be an interesting week here in

2762
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 1: Ces because I've been I've been trying.

2763
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 2: To like read it.

2764
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 1: Last year was just completely off the top of my head,

2765
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 1: or just made this up as I went along, no

2766
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: one knows. But this year I've like tried to read ahead, thinking, oh,

2767
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 1: I'll catch it. No, it seems to be most of

2768
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:56,880
Speaker 1: the stuff from last year again.

2769
01:59:57,480 --> 01:59:59,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's hard to plan ahead for CS.

2770
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 10: Like. You can planned as much as you want, but

2771
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 10: then the thing that you planned for is going to

2772
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 10: end up to be really boring, and I'm gonna be

2773
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 10: chasing this other thing that heard of, like the omniverse.

2774
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm a big omniverse head.

2775
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:13,600
Speaker 1: There's a huge omniverse, and I was really happy to

2776
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:16,040
Speaker 1: see the half an hour the Jensen Hwung spent talking

2777
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:19,040
Speaker 1: about it today. Yeah. But yeah, it's just I'm hoping

2778
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: that I'm really if you easy a better offline, email

2779
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 1: me if you find any weird ship or if you

2780
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,120
Speaker 1: want to just say, what was this bright and ice?

2781
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a lot of waves in my email. Thing. No,

2782
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,680
Speaker 1: it's it's I hope that there's something weird. But I

2783
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:37,480
Speaker 1: get the sense that this year just feels cobbled together

2784
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 1: in a very strange way. Like last year was not

2785
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 1: quite half hearted but off, but this one's just like

2786
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:44,800
Speaker 1: a fucking AI.

2787
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:48,200
Speaker 2: I guess are you on this? What are you looking

2788
02:00:48,240 --> 02:00:50,240
Speaker 2: forward to anything? Lisa, You've got anything fun?

2789
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:53,680
Speaker 11: I mean, there's anything I'm looking forward to.

2790
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 10: I feel like I'm just kind of keeping an eye

2791
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:58,760
Speaker 10: out for like what some of the smaller companies are

2792
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:02,240
Speaker 10: doing in AI, because there's a couple of interesting I

2793
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:04,880
Speaker 10: feel like one small trend I'm seeing a little bit

2794
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:08,280
Speaker 10: already are like wearables that aren't actually for health tracking

2795
02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:12,880
Speaker 10: but are more for like life logging because like you

2796
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 10: press a button and it'll you know, you can talk

2797
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:17,920
Speaker 10: into it and record a reminder or something like that.

2798
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:20,680
Speaker 11: There's the new Pebble ring.

2799
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 4: Does that.

2800
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 11: I don't know if you guys saw at all, do

2801
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 11: you remember Pebble? Yeah, so they're they're back.

2802
02:01:27,240 --> 02:01:31,360
Speaker 10: They have Yeah, they were at CES unveiled last night

2803
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 10: and they had some new watches which were interesting. I

2804
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:35,800
Speaker 10: didn't really look at those though, but I was really

2805
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 10: interested in this ring because again, it's just kind of

2806
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:40,800
Speaker 10: like fun and different a health tracking one.

2807
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:42,160
Speaker 11: No, it doesn't do any health tracking.

2808
02:01:42,200 --> 02:01:44,120
Speaker 10: It does one thing like it has a button on

2809
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:46,000
Speaker 10: it and you can press it if you want to

2810
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:49,640
Speaker 10: just like record a reminder or something that you want

2811
02:01:49,680 --> 02:01:50,560
Speaker 10: to remember later.

2812
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 11: Almost like a like a diary.

2813
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 5: It is.

2814
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:55,879
Speaker 2: It just recording.

2815
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 11: So there's I think some AI.

2816
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 10: That happens on the back end and in the app

2817
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 10: because it'll likerscribe to things that you record and whatnot.

2818
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:07,120
Speaker 11: I just thought it was kind of interesting.

2819
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:08,560
Speaker 2: How much is it?

2820
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:10,880
Speaker 11: I think seventy five dollars or.

2821
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:15,560
Speaker 2: Something like that, right, we're in the realm of not useless. Yeah,

2822
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 2: just I swear to God, I want one thing. I

2823
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:19,640
Speaker 2: actually like it. This sh I'm not even trying to

2824
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:22,000
Speaker 2: be a hate it. No, I do make my heart sing.

2825
02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 2: Please look like a mechanical turk.

2826
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:25,160
Speaker 5: That's what I would like.

2827
02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:27,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I have some great news I one looked at.

2828
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Speaker 10: I haven't actually seen this yet, but have you guys

2829
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:31,960
Speaker 10: heard about the clicks Communicator The.

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Speaker 1: Michael Fisher's joining us Friday who it's both a creator

2831
02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:37,160
Speaker 1: and an innovator.

2832
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:39,520
Speaker 2: But yes, the clicks Communicator. That's like, what does it do?

2833
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:41,520
Speaker 2: It's like a little phone thing.

2834
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's supposed to be like a second phone.

2835
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:46,280
Speaker 10: So if you want a phone just to like actually

2836
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 10: keep in touch with people and not to like fall

2837
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:52,200
Speaker 10: down a rabbit hole, TikTok or Instagram or whatever, talk

2838
02:02:52,280 --> 02:02:56,120
Speaker 10: to Nano banana or whatever. You It has a built

2839
02:02:56,160 --> 02:03:00,240
Speaker 10: in keyboard. It kind of looks like a BlackBerry And yeah,

2840
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:01,640
Speaker 10: I mean it runs on Android. I think, so you

2841
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:03,280
Speaker 10: probably could do other things on it if.

2842
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:04,000
Speaker 11: You really want to do so.

2843
02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:05,960
Speaker 4: You can send texts on it, but you can't do

2844
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:06,600
Speaker 4: other stuff.

2845
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:08,080
Speaker 11: I don't know.

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02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:09,880
Speaker 10: I have not seen it yet. I was just kind

2847
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:12,120
Speaker 10: of seeing it in the headlines. But since it runs

2848
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:14,320
Speaker 10: on Android, presumably you can do other stuff on it.

2849
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:16,640
Speaker 10: I think it's just designed to be like, hey, this

2850
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:19,120
Speaker 10: has a smaller screen. There's a built in keyboard, you

2851
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 10: know something if you just want to actually talk to

2852
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:25,560
Speaker 10: people and not you know, be immersed in a screen

2853
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:26,520
Speaker 10: all day, every.

2854
02:03:26,360 --> 02:03:30,040
Speaker 2: Second and every psychosis induction device on your own time.

2855
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:32,720
Speaker 4: But like this is a little bit quieter experience.

2856
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:34,920
Speaker 10: I thought it was an interesting idea, and like it's

2857
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,440
Speaker 10: being pitched as like a secondary phone almost like you

2858
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:40,240
Speaker 10: know how we have work phones and personal phones.

2859
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:41,840
Speaker 11: I guess in that case it would be a third phone.

2860
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:43,880
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna it's funny.

2861
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 1: I have Michael as a creative, but I'm just going

2862
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,360
Speaker 1: to like bug him about his device this time.

2863
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:51,400
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll listen to this, But Michael, let's

2864
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:52,720
Speaker 2: once you quote coming, but then.

2865
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:54,360
Speaker 1: We're going to wrap it there. Lisa ed A Chico

2866
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 1: at CNN, of course, thank you so much for joining us.

2867
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:58,120
Speaker 11: Of course, thanks for having me Edwin and.

2868
02:03:58,160 --> 02:04:00,720
Speaker 2: Graiso Junior of the Tech Bubble and used that pleasure.

2869
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:04,800
Speaker 1: And uh David Roth of Defectoryeah of course, and yeah,

2870
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:06,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna have one more bit and then yeah, we'll

2871
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 1: be wrapped for the day. Thanks for listening everyone. I

2872
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 1: don't know what the next that is, but I fully

2873
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:25,760
Speaker 1: endorse it. Welcome back to the Better off line coverage

2874
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:28,880
Speaker 1: of the Consumer Electronic Show. We're back, folks, and this

2875
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:30,960
Speaker 1: is the last part of this episode. But tomorrow we're

2876
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:33,280
Speaker 1: gonna have two two hour episodes. It's going to be

2877
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:35,960
Speaker 1: full of fun and laughs and giggles. Don't know why

2878
02:04:35,960 --> 02:04:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm making so much talking happening. That's normal ed anyway

2879
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:42,600
Speaker 1: today enjoyed of course, by David Roth of Defector. Hello,

2880
02:04:43,400 --> 02:04:45,720
Speaker 1: ed on Giso Junior of the Tech Bubble newsletter. Hello,

2881
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 1: and mister Robert Evans, the magnificent Robert Evans of Behind

2882
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:50,040
Speaker 1: the Bastards and it could happen here.

2883
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:52,920
Speaker 4: Hello. So we're all doing that right, Yeah, we.

2884
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:56,880
Speaker 1: Were just we were literally just talking about doing voices, yeah, right,

2885
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:58,760
Speaker 1: which is culturally appropriating.

2886
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are British people who get really offended by it.

2887
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:05,400
Speaker 1: And it's so funny Oudea of a British person being like,

2888
02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:08,200
Speaker 1: you can't you can't be racist. You just say what

2889
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:08,720
Speaker 1: to me?

2890
02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:10,080
Speaker 2: You haven't a laugh.

2891
02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 14: There's there's a level of gerialism. And obviously Americans crossed

2892
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 14: this long ago where you can't get angry people making

2893
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:19,120
Speaker 14: fun of the way you talk. Yeah, yeah, and this

2894
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:21,680
Speaker 14: is still true of Italians. It's been two thousand years

2895
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:23,960
Speaker 14: or whatever. I mean, it depends on when you call

2896
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,440
Speaker 14: them fifteen hundred whatever, a thousand, depending on when you

2897
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 14: call the end of the Roman Empire. But you can

2898
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:29,480
Speaker 14: still make fun of Italians.

2899
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never racist.

2900
02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:32,960
Speaker 8: I saw that.

2901
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 2: It's true talking like that, Like was Julius getting stabbed? Like, hey,

2902
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:46,960
Speaker 2: oh his last words were uf madone brutus, What are

2903
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:47,480
Speaker 2: you doing?

2904
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 12: I wish I knew any other Italian history, Like just

2905
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:56,839
Speaker 12: like that's it. Caesar and Pasta. Caesar and Pasta supposed

2906
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:58,480
Speaker 12: to it. You can make fun of British people as

2907
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:01,480
Speaker 12: much as you won't. It's sure, you're welcome to. I

2908
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:02,600
Speaker 12: get enough emails about it.

2909
02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 1: But let's talk about consumer electronics and robot You were

2910
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:06,560
Speaker 1: using an exoskeleton.

2911
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:10,800
Speaker 14: Yeah, so, like a couple of weeks before we left

2912
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:14,640
Speaker 14: for the show, this company, Hypershell reached out to me

2913
02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:20,440
Speaker 14: and said, hey, we make these different exoskeleton products. Several

2914
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:22,400
Speaker 14: different companies have come out with them that are just

2915
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:25,240
Speaker 14: now hitting. They've been in industrial uses for a while.

2916
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:27,280
Speaker 14: There's been varying forms for really the last like ten

2917
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:31,160
Speaker 14: or fifteen years that I've seen increasingly that are meant

2918
02:06:31,200 --> 02:06:34,480
Speaker 14: to do a mix of things. Some of them and

2919
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:36,880
Speaker 14: initially these were very separate product categories. They are ones

2920
02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:39,400
Speaker 14: that were meant for people who were having mobility issues, right,

2921
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:42,240
Speaker 14: to allow people with a disability to move more easily.

2922
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:44,440
Speaker 14: And then there were ones that were more designed for

2923
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:47,600
Speaker 14: industrial use. Right, Like, you have people working like an

2924
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:50,760
Speaker 14: Amazon facility, and they're going to be lifting packages and

2925
02:06:50,840 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 14: walking them repeatedly, and you want something that reduces the

2926
02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:57,280
Speaker 14: stress to their body and thus reduces like workmen's comp cools.

2927
02:06:57,400 --> 02:06:59,480
Speaker 4: Right, So those are kind of like the two different.

2928
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:07,000
Speaker 2: Of course, not for the humans, it's the workers. All right,

2929
02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:07,440
Speaker 2: we're back.

2930
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:10,280
Speaker 1: We got disconnected due to the Amazon hit squad that

2931
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:12,440
Speaker 1: was set in because we were discussing workers comp and

2932
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:14,840
Speaker 1: while we were off micro discussing I do not think

2933
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:17,480
Speaker 1: it's reasonable to suggest that every dog is a good boy.

2934
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you should go it.

2935
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:20,760
Speaker 2: Wow, I just don't just.

2936
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:21,600
Speaker 4: Drop that just.

2937
02:07:24,240 --> 02:07:25,560
Speaker 2: I just want to just put this.

2938
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:28,600
Speaker 4: We're also anxious to get back to telling every exoskeletons.

2939
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:32,520
Speaker 4: Just see the ones that are active duty police officers.

2940
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:35,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I got to walk by you at the airport,

2941
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:35,600
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2942
02:07:36,920 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 1: We can't understand how dogs talk. We don't know what

2943
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:42,360
Speaker 1: they're really thinking. So that's all I'm saying. Maybe, yeah,

2944
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:46,160
Speaker 1: just cursing anyway, exoskeletons back to you.

2945
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:48,440
Speaker 4: Sure, yes, uh so yeah.

2946
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 14: I mean they reached out and asked if I wanted

2947
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:53,280
Speaker 14: to try this thing at CES, because people walk around

2948
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:54,360
Speaker 14: a lot at CES.

2949
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:55,280
Speaker 2: I guess, uh.

2950
02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 14: This is not really meant as a product for journalists

2951
02:07:58,280 --> 02:08:01,280
Speaker 14: who get their feets tired walking around to trade shows.

2952
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:02,680
Speaker 4: It's mostly a blogging age.

2953
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:08,400
Speaker 2: This is to help you blog finally, But I thought

2954
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:10,560
Speaker 2: it was interesting. Like I'm I'm a nerd.

2955
02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:13,120
Speaker 14: I grew up playing Warhammer, so I'm interested in anything

2956
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:14,920
Speaker 14: that is like a little step on the road to

2957
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 14: power armor, which was my immediate thought. It was like

2958
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:20,520
Speaker 14: powered exoskeleton. I'm going to strap some body armor into

2959
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:21,680
Speaker 14: this thing and say, oh, it works.

2960
02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:23,120
Speaker 5: So I did.

2961
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:23,680
Speaker 4: I did that.

2962
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,560
Speaker 14: I mean I played around with it at home. I've

2963
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 14: got like a sled that's like an exercise. It's like

2964
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:30,320
Speaker 14: a sled that you load weights onto like push and

2965
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:33,200
Speaker 14: to shove it because that's a thing that you can

2966
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:37,280
Speaker 14: do to exercise. Yeah, And I threw on like my

2967
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:40,640
Speaker 14: my level four plates on a vest and my helmet

2968
02:08:41,120 --> 02:08:43,200
Speaker 14: with earpro and stuff just like I don't know, twenty

2969
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 14: five pounds maybe of armor and loaded the sled up

2970
02:08:46,680 --> 02:08:49,240
Speaker 14: to about two hundred pounds and pushed and pulled it

2971
02:08:49,480 --> 02:08:51,280
Speaker 14: until I got to well. I did it first without

2972
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 14: any armor or with with armor on, but without the exoskeleton,

2973
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:57,320
Speaker 14: to see how long I could go, and then I

2974
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:59,400
Speaker 14: waited like a day or so to recover, and then

2975
02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:03,920
Speaker 14: I did it with the exoskeleton. I noticed, and I

2976
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:05,760
Speaker 14: think this may just be down to how it works,

2977
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:08,840
Speaker 14: because it's not meant for those motions. I noticed that

2978
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:12,200
Speaker 14: when I was pushing it, I felt the machine assistance

2979
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:15,600
Speaker 14: like pulling my legs effectively, but when I was pulling

2980
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:18,400
Speaker 14: it backwards, I didn't really feel much of anything at all.

2981
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:20,760
Speaker 14: So I think it may just be sort of a

2982
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:23,520
Speaker 14: factor of like when the thing functions. But I didn't

2983
02:09:23,560 --> 02:09:27,920
Speaker 14: really notice a benefit from that. I have noticed it

2984
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:31,160
Speaker 14: does seem to like you're exerting less when you're like

2985
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:34,200
Speaker 14: running or walking on it, So I'm interested in how

2986
02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:37,440
Speaker 14: I feel I'm gonna tomorrow probably hump around like a

2987
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:39,920
Speaker 14: backpack heavier than I would normally take and keep it

2988
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:43,720
Speaker 14: on and see how that feels, and then probably do

2989
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:45,520
Speaker 14: the same thing with like I don't know how else

2990
02:09:45,600 --> 02:09:48,400
Speaker 14: to do it as well, to do a control group experiment.

2991
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:52,280
Speaker 14: It goes around, it fits around your hips and your

2992
02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:56,920
Speaker 14: like thighs. It ends right above the knee, and there's

2993
02:09:57,000 --> 02:10:00,840
Speaker 14: like a wasteband thing for it, and so it's just

2994
02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:01,880
Speaker 14: meant to kind of.

2995
02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:06,520
Speaker 4: Alleviate weight I think on your lower back and your legs.

2996
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 14: Like They've got some statistics that they have on their

2997
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:11,960
Speaker 14: website that I have no idea how I would begin

2998
02:10:12,040 --> 02:10:14,320
Speaker 14: to verify, and I don't even know like how you

2999
02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:17,480
Speaker 14: would verify stuff like a four. Well, I see, like

3000
02:10:17,560 --> 02:10:19,800
Speaker 14: they say there's like a forty two percent decrease in

3001
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:21,400
Speaker 14: the average heart rate of people using it.

3002
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:22,800
Speaker 4: That's measurable.

3003
02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:25,920
Speaker 14: Yeah, but there's like a thirty percent decrease in physical exertion.

3004
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:27,640
Speaker 14: I'm not fully sure how you.

3005
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 2: Say all the classic metrics, right, what are you doing?

3006
02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:32,760
Speaker 2: And how hard is it?

3007
02:10:32,920 --> 02:10:36,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, And they're saying it's something like a forty percent

3008
02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:41,000
Speaker 14: reduction in like how much like you weight that you

3009
02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 14: feel basically, so theoretically you could carry a load that's

3010
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:48,960
Speaker 14: fifty percent heavier or carry your additional load with like

3011
02:10:49,480 --> 02:10:52,320
Speaker 14: about half the strain, right, Like that's kind of the

3012
02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:53,960
Speaker 14: claim that they're making. This thing is supposed to have

3013
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:57,240
Speaker 14: like a thirty kilometer battery range when walking. Now there's

3014
02:10:57,280 --> 02:11:00,200
Speaker 14: different settings, including like an echo and a power one.

3015
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:05,720
Speaker 14: You can up or down the like intensity the power

3016
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:09,400
Speaker 14: of the assistance motors. So I assume that decreases substantially

3017
02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 14: when you've got it on like level four, because it

3018
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:14,120
Speaker 14: goes from one to four, But I have not used

3019
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:16,280
Speaker 14: it enough to like determine.

3020
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:17,080
Speaker 2: That that's exciting though.

3021
02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:19,920
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a cool product idea I've tested. I think

3022
02:11:20,080 --> 02:11:22,640
Speaker 14: they emailed me because I've tried some of these previous ces.

3023
02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:26,200
Speaker 14: Is just like walking around at the actual booths. It's

3024
02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:28,800
Speaker 14: a really cool idea both for people who actually have

3025
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:32,480
Speaker 14: like a physical disability, and you know, obviously none of

3026
02:11:32,520 --> 02:11:35,440
Speaker 14: these companies are interested in stuff like this for people

3027
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:37,840
Speaker 14: who are working in factories for their own sake. But

3028
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:40,720
Speaker 14: if it does reduce the amount of wear and tear

3029
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:42,640
Speaker 14: on human bodies, that's a good thing.

3030
02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got fucked up ankle. It sounds kind of nice.

3031
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:47,600
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's so I'm interested in how well it actually

3032
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:51,640
Speaker 14: works for that, and I'm not like Hypershell has been

3033
02:11:52,080 --> 02:11:54,400
Speaker 14: nice to me. I'm hoping that the product works well,

3034
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:55,920
Speaker 14: but I simply don't have enough time with it.

3035
02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:58,640
Speaker 2: How much do the cost it varies?

3036
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:02,200
Speaker 14: Their lowest version costs like nine hundred bucks. The one

3037
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:05,640
Speaker 14: they sent me it costs about two thousand. But three

3038
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:07,640
Speaker 14: years ago or so, I think we were looking at

3039
02:12:07,720 --> 02:12:09,480
Speaker 14: like five to ten grand for most of these. So

3040
02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:11,520
Speaker 14: does the cheap prices have been coming.

3041
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:12,000
Speaker 4: Down a lot?

3042
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:14,520
Speaker 2: And what makes the more expensive? Way? Is it big

3043
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:15,240
Speaker 2: battery or something?

3044
02:12:15,480 --> 02:12:16,480
Speaker 4: I think bigger battery.

3045
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:21,080
Speaker 14: They the one of the upgrade versions says carbon, So

3046
02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:23,560
Speaker 14: I'm guessing some of them are carbon fiber and some aren't.

3047
02:12:23,600 --> 02:12:24,480
Speaker 4: Mine definitely is.

3048
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:28,040
Speaker 14: But yeah, so I think it's just a matter of

3049
02:12:28,200 --> 02:12:30,160
Speaker 14: like what kind of extras there are on it. But

3050
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:34,200
Speaker 14: the prices have been decreasing pretty substantially, And from the

3051
02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:37,280
Speaker 14: reading I have done for previous years, there does seem

3052
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:39,640
Speaker 14: to be some evidence that some products in this category

3053
02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:43,280
Speaker 14: do reduce like strain and injury for people who are

3054
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:45,840
Speaker 14: working doing jobs where you're like lifting and carrying stuff,

3055
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:48,440
Speaker 14: so I you know, I think there's some evidence to

3056
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:52,800
Speaker 14: be optimistic here. I'm interested in how well I don't

3057
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:56,120
Speaker 14: actually think a convention is the best way to test

3058
02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:59,080
Speaker 14: a product like this out, but I understand why hyper

3059
02:12:59,120 --> 02:13:01,240
Speaker 14: Shell's doing it that way, right, and I'm sure other

3060
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:03,800
Speaker 14: companies in the space are because like it at least

3061
02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:06,640
Speaker 14: gives you a situation where journalists are going to be

3062
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:08,960
Speaker 14: walking around a while and can try it out. So

3063
02:13:09,200 --> 02:13:10,760
Speaker 14: I'll see how I think about it. But I am

3064
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,160
Speaker 14: most interested in, like, can I make me into a

3065
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:13,840
Speaker 14: space marine?

3066
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:14,120
Speaker 8: Right?

3067
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:14,440
Speaker 1: Right?

3068
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:16,680
Speaker 2: And I mean that's the ultimate of course.

3069
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:19,000
Speaker 1: This is is interesting because we spent most of the

3070
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:22,200
Speaker 1: rest of the episode just saying nothing feels new. Everything's

3071
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of just a series of different like coming up

3072
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,720
Speaker 1: with reasons to buy stuff that don't actually appear to

3073
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:28,120
Speaker 1: be human.

3074
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 2: This is strangely useful just what used to.

3075
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:32,760
Speaker 4: It's kind of thing.

3076
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,440
Speaker 14: I'm always most interested in n acees, and that never

3077
02:13:35,480 --> 02:13:37,360
Speaker 14: makes it more than like ten percent of the products

3078
02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:39,560
Speaker 14: you see where it's like, well, this is like a

3079
02:13:39,640 --> 02:13:43,000
Speaker 14: cool thing that I've known we'd eventually make as a

3080
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:45,520
Speaker 14: species at some point, Like we all knew they're going

3081
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:48,280
Speaker 14: to have robot exoskeletons someday.

3082
02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:50,720
Speaker 4: Be hoping for like it's it's it's not like I

3083
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:56,520
Speaker 4: had the right, Yeah exactly. It really seemed like they

3084
02:13:56,520 --> 02:14:00,480
Speaker 4: were cutting corners. Remember how wet that ship was. There's

3085
02:14:00,520 --> 02:14:01,480
Speaker 4: a lot of issues there.

3086
02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:04,080
Speaker 14: Although I think no Struma was the first one, and

3087
02:14:04,200 --> 02:14:06,960
Speaker 14: I forget what the Sulaco was. The second was the

3088
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:09,440
Speaker 14: marine ship. Uh, people will get angry at us.

3089
02:14:09,480 --> 02:14:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my regrets the error. Yeah, I apologize to alien.

3090
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:18,880
Speaker 4: A flight right now to fight you. I can't even

3091
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 4: argue with.

3092
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:22,960
Speaker 1: Him, just luckily with landlocked. Otherwise he come with us

3093
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:23,600
Speaker 1: from the sea.

3094
02:14:23,680 --> 02:14:26,440
Speaker 4: His greatest power is does involve the ocean?

3095
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:32,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, right from the like like Aquaman's with the newest movies,

3096
02:14:32,520 --> 02:14:33,040
Speaker 6: looking at that.

3097
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:36,120
Speaker 4: Right rising from one of the canals that the Venetian

3098
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:41,120
Speaker 4: and absolutely beating that ass exit running like one of

3099
02:14:41,160 --> 02:14:44,360
Speaker 4: the Yeah, I'm just like, you're such a visionaries are

3100
02:14:44,440 --> 02:14:45,320
Speaker 4: like whatever you see.

3101
02:14:45,080 --> 02:14:49,680
Speaker 2: Fish to do. He's a pro AI guy though, he's got.

3102
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:52,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I think he's he's he made the

3103
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:55,800
Speaker 14: statement that I think a lot of older guys in

3104
02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:59,320
Speaker 14: Hollywood are making without really thinking it through, which is like, oh, yeah,

3105
02:14:59,360 --> 02:15:01,640
Speaker 14: I'm sure it has some applications that I want to explore,

3106
02:15:01,680 --> 02:15:05,440
Speaker 14: and I'm thinking about like the broader socio cultural things

3107
02:15:05,480 --> 02:15:06,520
Speaker 14: that are going on with AI.

3108
02:15:06,680 --> 02:15:09,360
Speaker 4: He's just accurately being like, yeah, it's got some uses.

3109
02:15:09,400 --> 02:15:10,040
Speaker 4: I'll look into it.

3110
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:11,280
Speaker 10: You know it.

3111
02:15:12,760 --> 02:15:16,400
Speaker 4: For me to almost drown an actress, and I'm like, yeah, what.

3112
02:15:16,520 --> 02:15:19,080
Speaker 2: Can most effectively let me nearly kill that? Harris?

3113
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:19,760
Speaker 5: Yeah?

3114
02:15:20,360 --> 02:15:22,440
Speaker 4: Is AI going to revolutionize my ability to.

3115
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:24,600
Speaker 2: At least didn't do?

3116
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:24,760
Speaker 1: What?

3117
02:15:24,840 --> 02:15:25,680
Speaker 5: And that tells me to do?

3118
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:28,520
Speaker 1: Natasha Leone, who is like here, David Lynch love this?

3119
02:15:29,200 --> 02:15:29,640
Speaker 3: That may be.

3120
02:15:30,240 --> 02:15:31,440
Speaker 2: No. I was saying the other day that.

3121
02:15:33,200 --> 02:15:35,560
Speaker 1: Media stuff doesn't usually enrage me that much. But if

3122
02:15:35,640 --> 02:15:39,280
Speaker 1: I fucking hear about Twin Peaks, put it in through

3123
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:39,840
Speaker 1: the up.

3124
02:15:40,720 --> 02:15:43,440
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna use nano banana.

3125
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,840
Speaker 4: A different pro cool.

3126
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:50,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to see nano banana makes your heart

3127
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:51,400
Speaker 2: or die.

3128
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:54,320
Speaker 5: It would be would be heartbreaking.

3129
02:15:54,840 --> 02:15:57,280
Speaker 1: No, No, anyone who if you'll try to remake Twin Peaks,

3130
02:15:57,320 --> 02:15:59,920
Speaker 1: I will make war with you. I'll tell every media

3131
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:05,240
Speaker 1: property I have against the new season. I haven't finished season,

3132
02:16:05,320 --> 02:16:05,760
Speaker 1: so you don't.

3133
02:16:06,920 --> 02:16:09,080
Speaker 2: I've always thought that the real problem with Twin Peaks

3134
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:10,160
Speaker 2: was there wearing no do back.

3135
02:16:10,240 --> 02:16:13,400
Speaker 14: Lizards like moving around in the background, and there's there's

3136
02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:15,760
Speaker 14: a couple of scenes that could really used an ATS tea.

3137
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:19,160
Speaker 5: You know, I'm on the same page Bob shot.

3138
02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:21,760
Speaker 4: First way, I think it's good that the Duffer brothers.

3139
02:16:23,320 --> 02:16:23,560
Speaker 2: Someone.

3140
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:25,200
Speaker 4: But this is something that I've been laughing about for

3141
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:27,960
Speaker 4: like two days. I did not watch The Stranger Things

3142
02:16:28,040 --> 02:16:30,040
Speaker 4: the last season, so I haven't watched the last I

3143
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:31,400
Speaker 4: guess four or five seasons.

3144
02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:32,440
Speaker 2: I just called it Things.

3145
02:16:32,720 --> 02:16:35,360
Speaker 4: But the someone pointed out that all the effects in

3146
02:16:35,440 --> 02:16:38,400
Speaker 4: the finale look like the Tried So Hard video by

3147
02:16:38,440 --> 02:16:39,160
Speaker 4: Lincoln the Yark.

3148
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:40,720
Speaker 2: It's funny to me.

3149
02:16:40,879 --> 02:16:46,280
Speaker 1: It's that and the corn corn as well, Yes, falling

3150
02:16:46,280 --> 02:16:48,520
Speaker 1: away from me. I saw a clip from that and

3151
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:50,200
Speaker 1: it looked it looked really a bad but it was

3152
02:16:50,280 --> 02:16:52,720
Speaker 1: like one of them jumping and punching a big horrible

3153
02:16:52,800 --> 02:16:56,480
Speaker 1: CGI aliens throw and it's just like, doesn't this show

3154
02:16:56,640 --> 02:17:00,480
Speaker 1: have the budget of like Ethiopia's GDP or something, and

3155
02:17:00,560 --> 02:17:03,920
Speaker 1: it looks like dog shit. It's so I love slought

3156
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:05,920
Speaker 1: and people like, well, this is just the preparing to

3157
02:17:05,959 --> 02:17:08,800
Speaker 1: give you l No, it's not, It's just fucking Netflix.

3158
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:12,400
Speaker 2: It's just Netflix destroying money. We aren't you excited they're

3159
02:17:12,400 --> 02:17:13,680
Speaker 2: about to acquire Warner Brothers.

3160
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:16,320
Speaker 4: Fucking just yeah cool.

3161
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:20,560
Speaker 14: I don't know, like I haven't seen the New Stranger Things,

3162
02:17:20,640 --> 02:17:22,920
Speaker 14: because after season one I was like, I think I'm good.

3163
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was about what I wanted to Yeah. I

3164
02:17:25,959 --> 02:17:29,000
Speaker 4: didn't mind it either. It was we never even talked

3165
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:31,040
Speaker 4: about watching Into the House like a second season.

3166
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:34,320
Speaker 14: Good for them, good yeah kids. Yeah, I'm glad they're

3167
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,280
Speaker 14: getting their their their bag. I'm not interested here.

3168
02:17:38,480 --> 02:17:41,080
Speaker 1: Most of the current season is apparently just like twenty

3169
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:43,240
Speaker 1: one people in a room standing around folding their arms.

3170
02:17:43,480 --> 02:17:45,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, so like Avengers.

3171
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, get them in an airplane hangar, put them

3172
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:49,600
Speaker 4: in a motion capture seat, and then have them talk

3173
02:17:49,640 --> 02:17:52,480
Speaker 4: about what just just a big bill we can get

3174
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:52,680
Speaker 4: them in.

3175
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:55,600
Speaker 1: We're talking about real things. We as we were discussing

3176
02:17:55,600 --> 02:17:58,440
Speaker 1: the episode, we saw the Jensen Huong thing. Robert, you

3177
02:17:58,520 --> 02:18:01,480
Speaker 1: missed nothing, You missed it. Yeah, you're talking about the

3178
02:18:01,720 --> 02:18:04,560
Speaker 1: in vidio keynote speech. Yeah, and that I thought was tomorrow.

3179
02:18:04,720 --> 02:18:06,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you really missed nothing though, And I went,

3180
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:08,520
Speaker 1: I kind of mentioned this at the beginning. I went

3181
02:18:08,560 --> 02:18:11,320
Speaker 1: and I looked, and the six New trips. They announced

3182
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:15,320
Speaker 1: all announced in like either June, October or November, like

3183
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:18,680
Speaker 1: they're all old. Then you see it again for the

3184
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:19,720
Speaker 1: first time they knew.

3185
02:18:19,720 --> 02:18:20,959
Speaker 5: This is the first time they've been together.

3186
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:22,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like they're actually making one of them.

3187
02:18:22,920 --> 02:18:24,360
Speaker 4: Did you see that on the video that they're making it.

3188
02:18:24,400 --> 02:18:27,359
Speaker 2: They're actually going to manufacturing and manufactured, it's in production.

3189
02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:30,000
Speaker 1: It's like, and I just saw before we went on

3190
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:32,560
Speaker 1: that A m D had and really just supported. Greg

3191
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:35,320
Speaker 1: Brockman for the COO of Open AI went on, it's

3192
02:18:35,360 --> 02:18:35,680
Speaker 1: so cool.

3193
02:18:35,680 --> 02:18:36,000
Speaker 5: They went on.

3194
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:40,040
Speaker 1: They did this big fucking speech about how oh, just

3195
02:18:40,160 --> 02:18:42,440
Speaker 1: like compute as the new oil or something. Just blow

3196
02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:44,360
Speaker 1: my brains out whenever I hear it's it's a great

3197
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:47,880
Speaker 1: it's so fucking cool. But what's great about it, though,

3198
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:49,640
Speaker 1: is like they didn't talk about the fact that they

3199
02:18:49,720 --> 02:18:51,480
Speaker 1: meant to build a gigawat of data centers by the

3200
02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:52,320
Speaker 1: end of this fucking year.

3201
02:18:52,879 --> 02:18:57,080
Speaker 2: It's just like, it's just the farce we talk about

3202
02:18:57,080 --> 02:18:58,920
Speaker 2: that again. Yeah, we don't need we don't need to

3203
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:00,280
Speaker 2: talk about the thing. We three.

3204
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:04,000
Speaker 5: You're you're a Sixers fan, now trytuf.

3205
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:04,920
Speaker 4: Right, you're locked in.

3206
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:09,880
Speaker 2: Who's the James Harden commit to like, oh no, no,

3207
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:13,600
Speaker 2: that's Jay Peric. He got five. He moved from No

3208
02:19:14,040 --> 02:19:14,520
Speaker 2: j Peric.

3209
02:19:14,640 --> 02:19:17,440
Speaker 1: He went from uh lace Works, a company that was

3210
02:19:17,480 --> 02:19:19,560
Speaker 1: most famous for buying thirty thousand dollars worth of lou

3211
02:19:19,720 --> 02:19:21,680
Speaker 1: Lemon gift cards to get people to use their software,

3212
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:24,800
Speaker 1: to Meta to Microsoft to run their AI group.

3213
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:27,120
Speaker 2: Like that's the James hard to do anything. But he doesn't.

3214
02:19:27,480 --> 02:19:29,880
Speaker 1: But you don't have anyone who like stropoly quits. We

3215
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:32,160
Speaker 1: don't have any like people like that. That's what we needed.

3216
02:19:32,280 --> 02:19:36,600
Speaker 4: We need more like characters Ben Simmons. We need a

3217
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:38,680
Speaker 4: bench well, I mean that's like I'm not taking layups.

3218
02:19:38,720 --> 02:19:41,000
Speaker 2: That's beneath me. I don't do that anymore. It's Ben Simmons.

3219
02:19:41,360 --> 02:19:45,200
Speaker 2: That's like the three Basketball listeners. Sorry, they just fucking

3220
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:48,880
Speaker 2: love it. Happened to the strong, loud type like Steve Bomber.

3221
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:51,240
Speaker 4: That's what we need. Yes, somebody that I honestly had

3222
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:55,280
Speaker 4: that when we were watching watching one, Like, I know

3223
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:58,320
Speaker 4: how much more energy can be involved in this. He's

3224
02:19:58,360 --> 02:19:59,760
Speaker 4: not even sweating a little bit.

3225
02:20:00,879 --> 02:20:03,920
Speaker 1: If I had billions of dollars, I would be fucking

3226
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:06,320
Speaker 1: losing it up that I'd be going inside be like, well,

3227
02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:09,440
Speaker 1: you can't do anything to me, buy this, buy this

3228
02:20:09,640 --> 02:20:14,000
Speaker 1: entype place. But yeah, it's it was so limb, it

3229
02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:17,080
Speaker 1: was so sad. It's like they barely seem to be

3230
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:18,560
Speaker 1: fucking trying anymore.

3231
02:20:18,840 --> 02:20:21,400
Speaker 14: Well, what is there for in Vidio to really say

3232
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:25,560
Speaker 14: it a keynote? Right, Like, it's not their products are

3233
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:28,959
Speaker 14: really exciting two people who are in like the business

3234
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:32,279
Speaker 14: of utilizing them, but it's not like a consumer product

3235
02:20:32,400 --> 02:20:33,560
Speaker 14: that they're hyping up right now.

3236
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:35,959
Speaker 1: This was a lot of analysts and media and such,

3237
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:38,959
Speaker 1: and it had there was a line out the door.

3238
02:20:39,360 --> 02:20:41,000
Speaker 2: Because they're making all the money in the world.

3239
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:43,400
Speaker 4: That's what's exciting. Yeah, I think that was the little

3240
02:20:43,400 --> 02:20:44,800
Speaker 4: bit from the guy that I talked to was sitting

3241
02:20:44,840 --> 02:20:45,960
Speaker 4: next to me. It was just like part of it

3242
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:47,440
Speaker 4: was like you just wanted to be in a room

3243
02:20:47,480 --> 02:20:49,800
Speaker 4: with a guy rich. Yeah, like not even in like

3244
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:53,160
Speaker 4: a way that I'm like mixing. He's just like I've

3245
02:20:53,200 --> 02:20:54,880
Speaker 4: never been in a room with a guy that's rich before.

3246
02:20:54,920 --> 02:20:55,440
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

3247
02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:58,080
Speaker 2: Like you're in Vegas, go to a strip club, like.

3248
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:01,800
Speaker 14: Like that's the beauty of Vegas. If you stay up

3249
02:21:01,879 --> 02:21:05,160
Speaker 14: late enough, you will get to watch a Saudi shake. Yeah, yeah,

3250
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:07,040
Speaker 14: it was thirty dollars a crab.

3251
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:07,320
Speaker 2: Stay.

3252
02:21:07,480 --> 02:21:10,280
Speaker 1: Just go to as table in like the Venetian Lot,

3253
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:12,640
Speaker 1: So you will run into someone with too much money

3254
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:14,040
Speaker 1: if that's really what you desire.

3255
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:17,840
Speaker 2: But no, I mean I saw John McCain wants in

3256
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:20,720
Speaker 2: the Venetian wild Cut.

3257
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:24,640
Speaker 1: But that's like but otherwise it's just people that shouldn't

3258
02:21:24,680 --> 02:21:26,240
Speaker 1: have that much money that you've never met.

3259
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, just burning it.

3260
02:21:27,879 --> 02:21:29,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe didn't you have a lot of money. It

3261
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:30,240
Speaker 5: wasn't his wife.

3262
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:31,280
Speaker 4: His wife is very rich.

3263
02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:31,440
Speaker 1: Ye.

3264
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:33,840
Speaker 4: Crazy. Now I think it's like I think it's like

3265
02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:37,760
Speaker 4: regional liquor wholesale money, like one of those like classic

3266
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:41,600
Speaker 4: American gentry things where it's like kinds. Yeah, no, that's

3267
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:42,640
Speaker 4: John Carrey's.

3268
02:21:42,400 --> 02:21:44,280
Speaker 2: Yes, right, the hides.

3269
02:21:44,320 --> 02:21:46,680
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know people get rich anymore.

3270
02:21:51,160 --> 02:21:54,760
Speaker 1: John McCain is a fur trap I look forward to

3271
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:56,400
Speaker 1: the CS fur trapping section.

3272
02:21:56,800 --> 02:21:58,520
Speaker 4: I prefer that background for him.

3273
02:22:00,400 --> 02:22:01,280
Speaker 2: I would love it if there's a.

3274
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:04,800
Speaker 12: Kidnapped by beavers in the middle of the fair trapping expedition.

3275
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:06,560
Speaker 4: They tortured him for five years.

3276
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:12,400
Speaker 5: They don't like what we're doing. Not happy with it. Yeah,

3277
02:22:12,400 --> 02:22:13,600
Speaker 5: the word Vitnam was really just.

3278
02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:17,600
Speaker 6: Ugorging and ripping up those damn that's what it was.

3279
02:22:17,959 --> 02:22:20,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I wish tech was actually this fun though, because

3280
02:22:20,400 --> 02:22:23,080
Speaker 1: it's just like Greg Brockman going and talking to Lisa

3281
02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:27,360
Speaker 1: SuperM AMD just fucking just wobbling around, mumbling shit about

3282
02:22:27,400 --> 02:22:30,080
Speaker 1: compute and data centers that they can't build because they

3283
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:30,920
Speaker 1: don't have credit.

3284
02:22:31,240 --> 02:22:33,920
Speaker 14: Like what is there exciting to say other than look

3285
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,680
Speaker 14: at how much money we're worth and look at how

3286
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:36,600
Speaker 14: much money we're making.

3287
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:38,040
Speaker 2: But that was the thing with m video.

3288
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:41,480
Speaker 1: They didn't talk about any any products, Like they didn't

3289
02:22:41,480 --> 02:22:44,440
Speaker 1: even talk about their own products. It's like it's the

3290
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:47,680
Speaker 1: most egregious cafe I've ever seen because gone to the head.

3291
02:22:47,720 --> 02:22:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these that's not a threat

3292
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:51,640
Speaker 1: gone to the head. I don't think these people are

3293
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:53,959
Speaker 1: like actually have an answer.

3294
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:58,359
Speaker 14: No, I mean because it's like there's not a solution

3295
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:01,480
Speaker 14: financially to the sheer of money that's been invested, and

3296
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:05,600
Speaker 14: like in Vidia is in the enviable position of like

3297
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:10,640
Speaker 14: there the money they've made is like real people are

3298
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:16,040
Speaker 14: actually buying chips that they made, but the industry supporting it.

3299
02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:19,400
Speaker 14: There's a lot of vapor and everyone's kind of aware

3300
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:21,160
Speaker 14: that like at some point it's going to come crashing

3301
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:24,120
Speaker 14: down to earth. And we had like a reality check

3302
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:26,200
Speaker 14: in the last quarter of last year on Nvidiot, not

3303
02:23:26,360 --> 02:23:29,400
Speaker 14: all the way down, but like their their bubble got

3304
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:36,440
Speaker 14: certainly deflated partially, and there's I think a growing awareness that, like, well,

3305
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:39,440
Speaker 14: whatever happens with this, you know, even if the bubble

3306
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:43,400
Speaker 14: never pops, even if AI doesn't like get sort of

3307
02:23:43,480 --> 02:23:46,320
Speaker 14: punctured in the way that people, including a lot of us,

3308
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:49,200
Speaker 14: think it's going to in, Nvidia is not going to

3309
02:23:49,320 --> 02:23:50,959
Speaker 14: keep riding this high forever.

3310
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:54,320
Speaker 4: And I don't know, there's not a graceful way for

3311
02:23:54,400 --> 02:23:56,440
Speaker 4: them to deal with that, but they're trying.

3312
02:23:56,680 --> 02:24:01,360
Speaker 1: They're trying doing this thing called the omnibus. Yeah, yeah,

3313
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:05,959
Speaker 1: it's called the omniverse. They're calling it the omniverse.

3314
02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:07,560
Speaker 5: We love the omniverse.

3315
02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:11,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's this whole bullshit thing. World

3316
02:24:11,959 --> 02:24:14,120
Speaker 1: Models is another thing. It's just a made up thing

3317
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:16,760
Speaker 1: for will do simulations using GPUs now have to be.

3318
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:19,080
Speaker 2: Confused with the metaverse, which is very different.

3319
02:24:19,160 --> 02:24:19,920
Speaker 4: This is Weir's.

3320
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:24,240
Speaker 1: It reminds me this is a really deep cunt and

3321
02:24:24,280 --> 02:24:27,160
Speaker 1: anyone who remembers this please email me. There's a thing

3322
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:29,480
Speaker 1: called the DC did called death Metal, where like the

3323
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:31,360
Speaker 1: Batman who laughs, who's a joke of Batman?

3324
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:32,640
Speaker 2: Just best to get past that.

3325
02:24:33,320 --> 02:24:34,920
Speaker 1: There's a bit in it where they meet a guy

3326
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:37,560
Speaker 1: from there's a thing above the multiverse called the omniverse

3327
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:40,240
Speaker 1: and he's just guy with the pumpkinhead and I remember

3328
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:42,880
Speaker 1: reading the Omniverse and that it's just being like fuck off,

3329
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:45,120
Speaker 1: just fucking and then but what it is is they

3330
02:24:45,640 --> 02:24:48,520
Speaker 1: buy compute from like Microsoft or Meta or sorry Microsoft,

3331
02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:50,960
Speaker 1: Google or Amazon and then rent it to people so

3332
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:54,920
Speaker 1: they can run simulations using their Omniverse software. The information

3333
02:24:55,080 --> 02:24:57,080
Speaker 1: credit to them put out story today just being like yeah,

3334
02:24:57,120 --> 02:24:59,120
Speaker 1: it's not making any money and everyone hates it. And

3335
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:02,360
Speaker 1: it was the first just half of a two hour

3336
02:25:02,480 --> 02:25:05,640
Speaker 1: long presentation and they're just like they've put it really well.

3337
02:25:05,680 --> 02:25:07,959
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, here's a bunch of stuff. If

3338
02:25:07,959 --> 02:25:09,240
Speaker 2: we could do this, how goold would that be?

3339
02:25:09,360 --> 02:25:12,920
Speaker 1: And it's like none of it's real, right, it's so cool,

3340
02:25:13,440 --> 02:25:15,840
Speaker 1: And I think what they're trying to do is be like, look,

3341
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:18,680
Speaker 1: you bought all these GPOs, what if you could do this,

3342
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:19,680
Speaker 1: Well you can't.

3343
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:20,760
Speaker 2: You can't do that.

3344
02:25:20,879 --> 02:25:24,320
Speaker 1: We cannot do this, but what if you could And

3345
02:25:24,480 --> 02:25:26,520
Speaker 1: it was so straight because everyone was you could hear

3346
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:27,480
Speaker 1: people coughing in there.

3347
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:30,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, people leave it people. Actually it was.

3348
02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:32,760
Speaker 1: Really strange, and then there was a tiny bit of

3349
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:35,320
Speaker 1: AI stuff. It's really truly bizarre.

3350
02:25:35,640 --> 02:25:36,640
Speaker 4: I mean, it does feel like.

3351
02:25:38,160 --> 02:25:40,720
Speaker 14: People are starting to get sort of fed up with

3352
02:25:41,160 --> 02:25:44,400
Speaker 14: the lack the things that have not materialized that should

3353
02:25:44,440 --> 02:25:47,560
Speaker 14: have buy now. Yeah right, And I find you get

3354
02:25:47,560 --> 02:25:49,879
Speaker 14: a lot of you get a lot of pushback if

3355
02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:51,880
Speaker 14: you're like this is fake and this is bullshit, which

3356
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:53,959
Speaker 14: is like my emotional opinion. But you get a lot

3357
02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:57,320
Speaker 14: less pushback if you're like, I just don't see how

3358
02:25:57,440 --> 02:25:59,320
Speaker 14: this can be worth as much money as it needs

3359
02:25:59,400 --> 02:26:01,720
Speaker 14: to be industry, and that you get a pretty broad

3360
02:26:01,720 --> 02:26:05,960
Speaker 14: agreement of like yeah, something like there's something fucky with that.

3361
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:07,720
Speaker 2: That was the bit that I wound up coming out

3362
02:26:07,720 --> 02:26:07,840
Speaker 2: of it.

3363
02:26:07,959 --> 02:26:10,240
Speaker 4: Like, I think the big feeling that I felt afterwards,

3364
02:26:10,280 --> 02:26:13,760
Speaker 4: beyond like bored and hungry, was that, like I felt

3365
02:26:13,800 --> 02:26:15,520
Speaker 4: kind of sad about it because it's like it's clear

3366
02:26:15,560 --> 02:26:17,960
Speaker 4: that there's like there is all of this capacity to

3367
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:21,520
Speaker 4: do all of this like computational stuff that you couldn't

3368
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:24,480
Speaker 4: really do before. But there's not any sense of like

3369
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:26,880
Speaker 4: what that's for or what you're going to do.

3370
02:26:26,959 --> 02:26:30,960
Speaker 14: It's just computer psych Well, and I think, and this

3371
02:26:31,160 --> 02:26:33,800
Speaker 14: is me, there's a degree to which I'm not even

3372
02:26:33,840 --> 02:26:37,000
Speaker 14: fully confident what I'm saying here, but I get.

3373
02:26:36,879 --> 02:26:38,960
Speaker 2: The sports ter go off.

3374
02:26:39,240 --> 02:26:42,800
Speaker 14: I get the feeling, and have read some accounts that

3375
02:26:42,879 --> 02:26:45,600
Speaker 14: make me believe that there are applications for a lot

3376
02:26:45,680 --> 02:26:48,039
Speaker 14: of this, a lot of like a what gets broadly

3377
02:26:48,120 --> 02:26:52,200
Speaker 14: lumped in on as AI in like different kinds of

3378
02:26:52,360 --> 02:26:53,279
Speaker 14: like medical.

3379
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:56,000
Speaker 4: Science exactly, and nothing that's going to make this company

3380
02:26:56,160 --> 02:26:58,560
Speaker 4: worth fifteen trillion dollars or whatever.

3381
02:26:58,520 --> 02:27:00,840
Speaker 2: And nothing that does anything on it. It's not the

3382
02:27:00,959 --> 02:27:02,560
Speaker 2: AI will come up with the medicine.

3383
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:05,600
Speaker 14: It's like, no, the AI is capable of like brute

3384
02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:08,800
Speaker 14: forcing its way through analyte doing a lot of like

3385
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:12,000
Speaker 14: theoretical tests or analyzing like a huge amount of data.

3386
02:27:12,040 --> 02:27:15,800
Speaker 14: And if you build a model specifically to deal with

3387
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:17,880
Speaker 14: like this kind of medical data, that it can be

3388
02:27:19,160 --> 02:27:22,080
Speaker 14: a time saving tool that allows you to do other things,

3389
02:27:22,520 --> 02:27:25,240
Speaker 14: which is not a sexy thing. And the way that

3390
02:27:25,440 --> 02:27:28,760
Speaker 14: like AI is going to cure cancer is and it's

3391
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:30,760
Speaker 14: not sexy to be like, well, AI will allow us

3392
02:27:30,840 --> 02:27:35,920
Speaker 14: to prototype more efficiently different kinds of like materials to

3393
02:27:35,959 --> 02:27:38,160
Speaker 14: make holes of spacecraft out of, and maybe that will

3394
02:27:38,160 --> 02:27:40,600
Speaker 14: speed up the process of developing these things, which is

3395
02:27:40,680 --> 02:27:43,800
Speaker 14: like a thing that theoretically might happen, and that's not

3396
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:45,800
Speaker 14: as sexy as like AI is going to figure out

3397
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:46,879
Speaker 14: how to take us into space.

3398
02:27:48,080 --> 02:27:49,039
Speaker 2: And this conversation is.

3399
02:27:49,000 --> 02:27:51,080
Speaker 4: Also so fucking old at this point, right, that bit

3400
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:53,199
Speaker 4: of it where it's sort of like I'm so aware

3401
02:27:53,240 --> 02:27:54,480
Speaker 4: of the thing where it's like it's going to be

3402
02:27:54,520 --> 02:27:56,280
Speaker 4: able to think for itself and it's going to like

3403
02:27:56,840 --> 02:27:59,640
Speaker 4: fix We're not going to need to have jobs anymore, right,

3404
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:01,920
Speaker 4: And then like eventually like you work your way back

3405
02:28:01,959 --> 02:28:04,280
Speaker 4: from that to like protein folding. Right, I don't know

3406
02:28:04,320 --> 02:28:07,040
Speaker 4: what protein folding is. Apparently AI is extremely good at sure,

3407
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:09,760
Speaker 4: but it's like you can't talk about that because nobody

3408
02:28:09,800 --> 02:28:11,520
Speaker 4: knows what protein folding is. But when you talk about

3409
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:13,640
Speaker 4: the other shit, it makes me, for one thing, doubt

3410
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:15,320
Speaker 4: that it's any good at protein folding.

3411
02:28:15,400 --> 02:28:15,520
Speaker 8: Right.

3412
02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:18,200
Speaker 1: You know it's because protein folding is a totally like

3413
02:28:18,320 --> 02:28:21,000
Speaker 1: it's not even LLM drew, it's not even GPU's machine

3414
02:28:21,080 --> 02:28:22,960
Speaker 1: learning shit. Yeah, And it's the thing is with it,

3415
02:28:23,320 --> 02:28:26,600
Speaker 1: like the medical example as well. They're doing that already. Again,

3416
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:29,760
Speaker 1: it's only kind of lllms, but not really. And it's

3417
02:28:29,920 --> 02:28:32,440
Speaker 1: just to your point about we've had this one before.

3418
02:28:32,600 --> 02:28:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I heard this conversation lot, not even

3419
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:38,320
Speaker 1: from us, like I've heard some version of this. Were

3420
02:28:38,320 --> 02:28:40,720
Speaker 1: sitting around being like, yeah, you know it might be

3421
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:44,640
Speaker 1: good for this when because before the Nvidio thing, we

3422
02:28:44,720 --> 02:28:46,680
Speaker 1: had this panel with these people who were just saying

3423
02:28:46,760 --> 02:28:50,320
Speaker 1: stuff that slowly was driving me insane and I was

3424
02:28:50,400 --> 02:28:52,880
Speaker 1: getting ready. I was I eventually just started muttering to

3425
02:28:52,920 --> 02:28:53,400
Speaker 1: myself like.

3426
02:28:53,440 --> 02:28:54,120
Speaker 2: A crazy person.

3427
02:28:54,200 --> 02:28:56,840
Speaker 1: But there was just the CEO of a Bridge, which

3428
02:28:56,920 --> 02:28:58,920
Speaker 1: is an AI scribe for doctors.

3429
02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:02,080
Speaker 2: You're saying, a bridge, how did you get that job?

3430
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:03,360
Speaker 2: Just a single bridge?

3431
02:29:03,400 --> 02:29:07,160
Speaker 1: And he kept trying to sell me yeah, and he

3432
02:29:07,320 --> 02:29:10,160
Speaker 1: was just talking about just would salad on wood salad,

3433
02:29:10,360 --> 02:29:12,960
Speaker 1: trying to get around the fact that his AI just

3434
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:14,120
Speaker 1: transcribes what doc to.

3435
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:18,279
Speaker 2: Say, and it's just like, who fucking can't.

3436
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:19,960
Speaker 4: Right, Well, it's one of those things where it's like

3437
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:22,640
Speaker 4: I think doctors would like that, but you can't. For

3438
02:29:22,760 --> 02:29:24,560
Speaker 4: his business to be worth which I believe you looked

3439
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:27,440
Speaker 4: it up, was like five billion dollars, yeah, five point

3440
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:29,040
Speaker 4: five billion. It's like, in order for it to work,

3441
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:32,280
Speaker 4: it also has to like to justify that valuation. It

3442
02:29:32,360 --> 02:29:35,080
Speaker 4: has to make evaluations like no doctor wants it to

3443
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:36,760
Speaker 4: fucking do that. They're doctors.

3444
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's just it's almost cliche. Yeah, it's

3445
02:29:40,760 --> 02:29:41,680
Speaker 1: being forced into anything.

3446
02:29:41,720 --> 02:29:44,600
Speaker 14: I was mentioning on the earliest, like Microsoft today it's

3447
02:29:44,680 --> 02:29:46,640
Speaker 14: no longer office, it's co pilot.

3448
02:29:46,760 --> 02:29:47,280
Speaker 4: Like, fuck you.

3449
02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:49,720
Speaker 14: I how many times that I said, no, I'm not

3450
02:29:50,040 --> 02:29:52,720
Speaker 14: using co pilot. You're trying to force me.

3451
02:29:52,959 --> 02:29:54,800
Speaker 4: That's amazing that they just like they've got such a

3452
02:29:54,879 --> 02:29:57,439
Speaker 4: bet on their hands that they're like, uh, the Batman.

3453
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:01,480
Speaker 2: Movies are now the Avengers or whatever. It's like to

3454
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:03,400
Speaker 2: some other like Google did that already.

3455
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:06,440
Speaker 1: They changed Google Assistant to Google Gemini, and they're like

3456
02:30:06,680 --> 02:30:08,279
Speaker 1: four hundred million activities.

3457
02:30:08,360 --> 02:30:10,280
Speaker 14: And they're going to do the same thing with fucking

3458
02:30:10,320 --> 02:30:11,800
Speaker 14: co pilot, where it's like, look at all these people

3459
02:30:11,879 --> 02:30:13,640
Speaker 14: know we're all using fucking word and Excel.

3460
02:30:13,800 --> 02:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Well, what's funny, though, is they're not going to be

3461
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:17,000
Speaker 1: able to do that because I have fucking Microsoft's numbers,

3462
02:30:17,160 --> 02:30:18,120
Speaker 1: I have Microsoft's revenues.

3463
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm coming out with at the end of January. Frank,

3464
02:30:19,879 --> 02:30:21,280
Speaker 2: sure you fucking wants some email me.

3465
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I already have hub Copilo's revenue to fucker

3466
02:30:25,320 --> 02:30:28,000
Speaker 1: like that's the thing like these I'm fucking sick of

3467
02:30:28,120 --> 02:30:31,480
Speaker 1: this because people are being lied to, not just doing

3468
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:33,360
Speaker 1: an episode of but I guess this is the showm recording.

3469
02:30:33,440 --> 02:30:35,360
Speaker 2: But it's just walking around hearing they put.

3470
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:37,840
Speaker 1: The thing that made me actually snap on their trip

3471
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:40,959
Speaker 1: was they put Nano Banana in a television and I'm just.

3472
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:45,680
Speaker 2: Look, you get a Cobert what is it's a three

3473
02:30:45,720 --> 02:30:46,400
Speaker 2: straight episodes.

3474
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:48,800
Speaker 1: It's an image generate a model from Google that they

3475
02:30:48,879 --> 02:30:51,320
Speaker 1: called the World's dumbest fucking name because they insist on

3476
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:56,000
Speaker 1: making me literally its name Yanana Banana and Nana Banana

3477
02:30:56,040 --> 02:30:59,440
Speaker 1: proa and.

3478
02:30:59,480 --> 02:31:01,320
Speaker 4: None of ban television.

3479
02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:02,840
Speaker 2: They should make up the version that you have to

3480
02:31:02,879 --> 02:31:04,400
Speaker 2: pay for. It should just have a normal.

3481
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:06,959
Speaker 5: Nan no Banana pro three plus.

3482
02:31:07,160 --> 02:31:10,480
Speaker 1: I think it's just it just shows loathing for the customer,

3483
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:14,360
Speaker 1: like you little anything, Nano you fucking pigs.

3484
02:31:14,720 --> 02:31:19,160
Speaker 14: I think they're probably it's probably jealousy and some fomo

3485
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:22,160
Speaker 14: at Elon musk Warble, he gives his stuff really funny stupid.

3486
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:25,680
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why that's the secret. Maybe we'll get some

3487
02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:29,240
Speaker 4: of that epic two. Yeah yeah, maybe.

3488
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:32,600
Speaker 2: Maybe they can copy the other things.

3489
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:34,400
Speaker 5: And then.

3490
02:31:36,120 --> 02:31:40,120
Speaker 2: Plus plus yeah Mercedes, oh yeah yeah. They had a

3491
02:31:40,160 --> 02:31:42,920
Speaker 2: whole thing with a panel with Mercedes.

3492
02:31:42,760 --> 02:31:46,680
Speaker 1: And this guy from Skilled AI who was like one robot,

3493
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:48,959
Speaker 1: one brain, one purpose or some.

3494
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:53,000
Speaker 4: One was also sitting up there he was.

3495
02:31:57,120 --> 02:32:00,720
Speaker 1: It was just one panel. It was just of just people,

3496
02:32:00,840 --> 02:32:04,840
Speaker 1: just like all in varying stages of concussion protocol, just

3497
02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:08,040
Speaker 1: like just like saying ship to each other and Sarah

3498
02:32:08,120 --> 02:32:11,680
Speaker 1: grow the specie spent. So when AI is powerful and

3499
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:14,480
Speaker 1: large language models, would that be interesting? And the guy

3500
02:32:14,560 --> 02:32:18,840
Speaker 1: going I agree, they would be powerful and indeed in robots.

3501
02:32:19,160 --> 02:32:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3502
02:32:19,800 --> 02:32:22,480
Speaker 1: It was just in and people around's going yeah, yeah, yeah,

3503
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:23,040
Speaker 1: yeah that is.

3504
02:32:23,160 --> 02:32:25,120
Speaker 6: I loved that little chat when this was going on,

3505
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:29,320
Speaker 6: where the guy was like, you know, we're making bass

3506
02:32:29,400 --> 02:32:33,400
Speaker 6: layers by watching oh yeah yeah and then practicing. That's

3507
02:32:33,800 --> 02:32:36,440
Speaker 6: how you learned to do any real task. Aus everyone knows,

3508
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:38,720
Speaker 6: and it's just you watch a YouTube video of three

3509
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:39,480
Speaker 6: thousand times.

3510
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just I can't think of any other run now

3511
02:32:41,800 --> 02:32:42,600
Speaker 2: and base layering.

3512
02:32:42,680 --> 02:32:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm watching Jamal Crawford, the sickest buckets.

3513
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty two minutes.

3514
02:32:47,480 --> 02:32:52,279
Speaker 5: I'm watching un Expected lebron edits five minutes.

3515
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:57,199
Speaker 1: It's just so strange as well, because I've been fucked

3516
02:32:57,200 --> 02:32:58,080
Speaker 1: with a lot in my life.

3517
02:32:58,480 --> 02:32:59,960
Speaker 2: It just feels like we're being fucked.

3518
02:33:00,280 --> 02:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like a weird we're not even ConA this,

3519
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:05,400
Speaker 1: but just like everyone's just like this taunting.

3520
02:33:05,680 --> 02:33:08,800
Speaker 14: Yeah, something that's so dispiriting is that, like I can

3521
02:33:08,959 --> 02:33:11,960
Speaker 14: tell you're not even you're you're past the point where

3522
02:33:11,959 --> 02:33:14,600
Speaker 14: you think you have to even work to life, Like

3523
02:33:14,760 --> 02:33:18,600
Speaker 14: you're just being lazy, like we all know everyone, like

3524
02:33:18,680 --> 02:33:22,840
Speaker 14: the majority of people found copalad annoying and said no repeatedly.

3525
02:33:23,000 --> 02:33:24,920
Speaker 14: And you want to be able to claim everyone using

3526
02:33:24,959 --> 02:33:28,360
Speaker 14: an office product is using AI to trick your shareholders.

3527
02:33:28,400 --> 02:33:31,600
Speaker 14: So you're just fucking changing it and like there's nothing,

3528
02:33:31,720 --> 02:33:33,959
Speaker 14: there's not any more thought to it than that you're

3529
02:33:34,040 --> 02:33:36,320
Speaker 14: not at all scared of regulators. You don't give a

3530
02:33:36,400 --> 02:33:38,520
Speaker 14: fuck about what the people paying to use your product.

3531
02:33:38,920 --> 02:33:42,200
Speaker 14: And that's just it's dispiriting because like, yeah, there is

3532
02:33:42,280 --> 02:33:44,760
Speaker 14: nothing I can do right, Like I could I could

3533
02:33:44,840 --> 02:33:49,160
Speaker 14: switch my operator my my like uh my word processor,

3534
02:33:49,280 --> 02:33:52,560
Speaker 14: I guess and probably will at some point this year.

3535
02:33:52,640 --> 02:33:55,240
Speaker 14: It just means embracing a pain in the ass of

3536
02:33:55,320 --> 02:33:58,360
Speaker 14: like switching a bunch of stuff around. But at this

3537
02:33:58,480 --> 02:34:00,280
Speaker 14: point I think it's worth it because I'm an annoyed

3538
02:34:00,360 --> 02:34:02,560
Speaker 14: at you, like you've annoyed me enough, and I don't

3539
02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:04,760
Speaker 14: think that's going to impact Microsoft's bottom line. I don't

3540
02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:06,600
Speaker 14: think enough people are going to switch for it to matter.

3541
02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:08,640
Speaker 14: It's just again dispiriting.

3542
02:34:08,959 --> 02:34:11,640
Speaker 2: Also, no one's gonna call it co Pilot.

3543
02:34:12,440 --> 02:34:13,400
Speaker 4: They're gonna call it a name.

3544
02:34:13,440 --> 02:34:15,320
Speaker 2: They're gonna call it Microsoft Office because you're going to

3545
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:20,520
Speaker 2: say it to like a grandma word using fucking COVID dipship.

3546
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:23,520
Speaker 1: It is so cool we now have software that's deliberately annoying.

3547
02:34:23,879 --> 02:34:25,280
Speaker 1: It's just like, hey, hey, do you want to you

3548
02:34:25,320 --> 02:34:26,440
Speaker 1: want to use co pilot?

3549
02:34:26,680 --> 02:34:27,520
Speaker 2: You want to you want this?

3550
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:27,920
Speaker 5: To write it?

3551
02:34:28,200 --> 02:34:31,280
Speaker 2: I'm fucking writing it. I'm writing it. Please leave me alone. No,

3552
02:34:31,640 --> 02:34:34,000
Speaker 2: I use Apple Notes now, not because I like it,

3553
02:34:34,120 --> 02:34:35,440
Speaker 2: but because it doesn't just.

3554
02:34:37,360 --> 02:34:37,800
Speaker 5: Document.

3555
02:34:37,959 --> 02:34:42,280
Speaker 14: The problem is every big player in consumer technology right

3556
02:34:42,360 --> 02:34:47,080
Speaker 14: now has attained and is expressing the exact vibes of

3557
02:34:47,320 --> 02:34:51,440
Speaker 14: like a guy that you would cover your drink around. Yeah, right,

3558
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:54,119
Speaker 14: where it's like they're just it's just this constant pressure

3559
02:34:54,160 --> 02:34:57,600
Speaker 14: and const like hey, hey, hey, yeah, you know what,

3560
02:34:58,240 --> 02:34:59,600
Speaker 14: once you come sit with me, I'm just gonna sit

3561
02:34:59,640 --> 02:35:01,560
Speaker 14: down next I'm just gonna hang out with you. Like

3562
02:35:01,800 --> 02:35:05,320
Speaker 14: it's it's this, I've said no so many times and

3563
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:09,240
Speaker 14: you are not at all listening. And that's how using

3564
02:35:09,400 --> 02:35:10,480
Speaker 14: technology feels.

3565
02:35:10,879 --> 02:35:11,720
Speaker 4: And I hate it.

3566
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean that is and that's a good good way

3567
02:35:14,879 --> 02:35:16,480
Speaker 1: to kind of like wrap up the episode as well.

3568
02:35:16,520 --> 02:35:18,360
Speaker 1: But I think that's what the theme of CE as

3569
02:35:18,400 --> 02:35:21,600
Speaker 1: opposed to be this year. It's just like obtrusive stuff.

3570
02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:24,640
Speaker 1: How like the I know I keep saying no, no,

3571
02:35:24,680 --> 02:35:26,840
Speaker 1: no banana. The reason this has driven me insane is

3572
02:35:26,879 --> 02:35:30,120
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't need the TV to generate images.

3573
02:35:30,959 --> 02:35:32,560
Speaker 2: I'm watching the television and.

3574
02:35:32,680 --> 02:35:34,840
Speaker 4: You try it, Yeah, maybe you like it? What TV

3575
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:37,879
Speaker 4: was a computer too, though I do nan banana.

3576
02:35:37,600 --> 02:35:39,240
Speaker 2: Pro offers many features that aren't available.

3577
02:35:39,959 --> 02:35:44,160
Speaker 1: Not a banana con generate of winning. It's just like

3578
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:47,720
Speaker 1: not aa like. And also, what kind of fucking freak

3579
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:50,040
Speaker 1: is sitting there being like I want my television to

3580
02:35:50,120 --> 02:35:50,800
Speaker 1: generate an image.

3581
02:35:50,879 --> 02:35:53,160
Speaker 2: No, if you try and do that, your television should break.

3582
02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:56,760
Speaker 14: Yes, hey, I know you're putting on a torrented copy

3583
02:35:56,800 --> 02:35:59,160
Speaker 14: of Star Trek the Next Generation to watch while you

3584
02:35:59,320 --> 02:36:01,800
Speaker 14: cry yet again, what if rakers?

3585
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:10,560
Speaker 4: Dick was out fucking freaks Google, but that wol that

3586
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:12,599
Speaker 4: get you to start saying Gemini.

3587
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:16,640
Speaker 2: If for that.

3588
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:20,640
Speaker 4: During emotional blackmail and it's wrong.

3589
02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:23,160
Speaker 1: And before we wrap as well, Robert I have said

3590
02:36:23,200 --> 02:36:25,040
Speaker 1: this earlier in the episode as well, But there was

3591
02:36:25,080 --> 02:36:27,680
Speaker 1: a bit where in video as Jensen one was talking

3592
02:36:27,720 --> 02:36:30,880
Speaker 1: to two robots just like and he was like, this

3593
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:33,800
Speaker 1: is how we make you this from And it turns

3594
02:36:33,840 --> 02:36:37,160
Speaker 1: out it was from like the Fallen Order, like the

3595
02:36:37,320 --> 02:36:41,120
Speaker 1: second of the games with cocasts with the yeah, with

3596
02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:43,240
Speaker 1: the guy from what Shameless?

3597
02:36:43,800 --> 02:36:49,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is Shameless, the Joker, the Joker, Yeah,

3598
02:36:49,440 --> 02:36:49,840
Speaker 2: that guy.

3599
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:53,160
Speaker 1: And it's like I did not I'm a big Star

3600
02:36:53,240 --> 02:36:55,280
Speaker 1: Wars head, but of like the actual Star Wars stuff,

3601
02:36:55,320 --> 02:36:58,600
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, and how much did you pay

3602
02:36:58,680 --> 02:37:00,880
Speaker 1: like a million dollars for that? But you know that

3603
02:37:00,920 --> 02:37:03,120
Speaker 1: they were like, what's the cheapest one, what's the.

3604
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:04,680
Speaker 4: Cheap get one of the games?

3605
02:37:04,840 --> 02:37:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get one.

3606
02:37:06,120 --> 02:37:07,680
Speaker 4: We'll give you one of the what's that game from

3607
02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:09,400
Speaker 4: the N sixty four A game? I bet he's cheap.

3608
02:37:10,040 --> 02:37:10,920
Speaker 2: Kyle Katan.

3609
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:16,160
Speaker 1: Just immediately, don't remember anything but Kyle Katan. Oh.

3610
02:37:16,320 --> 02:37:17,400
Speaker 2: Let's sign off from there.

3611
02:37:17,480 --> 02:37:20,520
Speaker 1: All right, David Rath, thank you so much for joining

3612
02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:22,600
Speaker 1: us to be here from Defector. We'll have you in

3613
02:37:22,680 --> 02:37:25,520
Speaker 1: the episode. Notes Robert Evans, You'll be back.

3614
02:37:25,959 --> 02:37:27,840
Speaker 4: Will be back, Yeah, I'll be here all week.

3615
02:37:27,959 --> 02:37:30,160
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and Edwin and Graso Junior who also be

3616
02:37:30,320 --> 02:37:30,880
Speaker 2: hit all week.

3617
02:37:31,080 --> 02:37:31,880
Speaker 5: I will, I will.

3618
02:37:32,040 --> 02:37:33,760
Speaker 1: And then to wrap the episode, so before we go,

3619
02:37:33,800 --> 02:37:35,400
Speaker 1: I want to talk about something we'll be doing at

3620
02:37:35,400 --> 02:37:37,560
Speaker 1: the end of every episode. So back, So just a

3621
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:39,720
Speaker 1: little history on the suite back would be. Our firm

3622
02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:41,520
Speaker 1: used to have this suite and have journals come in

3623
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:45,000
Speaker 1: and back since the late twenty tens.

3624
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:45,400
Speaker 2: We did this.

3625
02:37:45,959 --> 02:37:47,680
Speaker 1: We had journals come in and there was a blow

3626
02:37:47,720 --> 02:37:49,160
Speaker 1: called Sean Paul Adams who kind of visit it was

3627
02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:50,080
Speaker 1: good mate and mine, good mate.

3628
02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:52,000
Speaker 2: My friend passed last year.

3629
02:37:52,240 --> 02:37:54,400
Speaker 1: I want to order him by encouraging you to donate

3630
02:37:54,400 --> 02:37:56,800
Speaker 1: to the Pediatric Epilepsy Research Consortium.

3631
02:37:56,879 --> 02:38:00,200
Speaker 2: Shanpault signed his epileptic and his family deeply appreciate it.

3632
02:38:00,520 --> 02:38:03,160
Speaker 1: He was also would be. He's deeply misplaced friends and family.

3633
02:38:03,160 --> 02:38:04,760
Speaker 1: He's one of the highlights of the Sweet when he visited.

3634
02:38:04,920 --> 02:38:06,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll love a link in the show notes

3635
02:38:06,600 --> 02:38:07,720
Speaker 1: will be here all week.

3636
02:38:07,800 --> 02:38:08,199
Speaker 5: Everyone.

3637
02:38:08,280 --> 02:38:10,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sticking with us from this episode,

3638
02:38:11,360 --> 02:38:13,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, we'll have two more tomorrow and every day

3639
02:38:13,879 --> 02:38:15,160
Speaker 1: on Saturday, we'll just have one.

3640
02:38:15,400 --> 02:38:17,199
Speaker 2: Cheers everyone, Bye.

3641
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:18,119
Speaker 4: Go with guards.

3642
02:38:26,520 --> 02:38:28,880
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