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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, So it is another solo pod for a
Speaker 1: Native lamppod. I am your host, Angela Raie, and today
Speaker 1: we are talking about the real housewives of the Trump administration,
Speaker 1: also known as some of your appointed officials, some of
Speaker 1: them confirmed and overwhelming majorities by the United States Senate.
Speaker 1: And some of those same people had to make appearances
Speaker 1: on the latest Trump gate, which is what goes down
Speaker 1: in your signal threat It should probably not be military strikes.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and roll, Senator Warner, today, this.
Speaker 3: Was not only sloppy, not only violated all procedures, but
Speaker 3: if this information had gotten out, American lives could have
Speaker 3: been lost. This information could reposition their defensive systems. Did
Speaker 3: you participate in the group chat with Secretary of Defense
Speaker 3: and other Trump senior officials discussing the m and war.
Speaker 4: Plans, Senator I don't want to get into this.
Speaker 3: Man, ma'am. Did you were you on You're not going
Speaker 3: to be willing to addressation, so you're not are you denying? Matt?
Speaker 3: Were you answer my question, ma'am? You were not TG
Speaker 3: on this group chat.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get into this specific.
Speaker 3: So you refuse to acknowledge whether you were on this group.
Speaker 4: Chat, Senator, I'm not going to get into this.
Speaker 3: Why are why are you going to get into specific?
Speaker 3: Is it because it's all classified?
Speaker 4: Because this is currently under review by the National security.
Speaker 3: Because it's all classified. If it's not classified, share the
Speaker 3: text now, Rector Radcliffe, were you on the group chat?
Speaker 5: Senator? I was on a signal messaging group, So you were.
Speaker 3: The John Radcliffe on that chat? I was thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 5: So my communications, to be clear, in a signal message
Speaker 5: group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include
Speaker 5: classified information.
Speaker 3: We will we will make that determination because if it's
Speaker 3: not classified, share the text with the committee.
Speaker 6: Did you.
Speaker 3: Contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military
Speaker 3: planning was put out and say, hey, we should be
Speaker 3: doing this on a skiff?
Speaker 4: There was no classified material that was shared.
Speaker 3: In that so that if there was no classified material,
Speaker 3: share it with the committee.
Speaker 1: So what happened was if you all can't tell some
Speaker 1: of you may not have been following this at all.
Speaker 1: There's a little handy dandy thing we call our cell
Speaker 1: phones and there's a little handy dandy app we call Signal.
Speaker 1: Many of us use signal. In fact, I know White
Speaker 1: House staffers, as I talked about on my Instagram live
Speaker 1: last night, who have used Signaled on their personal devices.
Speaker 1: They are not allowed to download Signal onto their federal devices,
Speaker 1: and let me tell you why they're hackable. So what
Speaker 1: these people decided to do was put signal on their
Speaker 1: personal device and talk about a government led a US
Speaker 1: government led strike on Yemen on signal. And the only
Speaker 1: reason why the American people know that there was an
Speaker 1: official government act conducted on behalf of the American people
Speaker 1: is not because it was on signal app and they
Speaker 1: got hacked. It was because the National Security Advisor added
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Goldberg, who just so happens to be the Atlantic
Speaker 1: editor in chief, into this thread. And so what is
Speaker 1: now being discussed is whether or not the discussions about
Speaker 1: an attack that would happen, not that it already happened,
Speaker 1: that would happen on Yemen, was going to take place,
Speaker 1: and there was fierce debate about it on this signal thread,
Speaker 1: which included your Vice President, your Secretary Area of Treasury,
Speaker 1: your Secretary of State. That would be Marco Rubio, Tulcy Gabbert,
Speaker 1: the d and I director, and the National Security Advisor,
Speaker 1: among others. Oh and let me not forget Pete Hegg said.
Speaker 1: And so normally these things happen, these types of strikes
Speaker 1: are discussed in something called the situation room. Well, they
Speaker 1: decided to have a liituation room led by Pete Haig. Saith,
Speaker 1: you're truly the most litty in the administration. So now
Speaker 1: let's go to Senator John Assov to hear what he
Speaker 1: had to say at today's committee hearing.
Speaker 4: Director Ratcliffe, this was a huge mistake.
Speaker 2: Correct, No, a national political no no, no, no, Director
Speaker 2: I said, We asked him, no question, and now you'll
Speaker 2: hold on a national political reporter you can you want?
Speaker 2: Was made privy the way sensitive information about it, the
Speaker 2: military operations, a foreign terrorist adding a reporter, and that
Speaker 2: wasn't a huge mistake. That wasn't a huge missa.
Speaker 7: I think the characterized the embarrassment.
Speaker 4: This is utterly unprofessional.
Speaker 2: There's been no apology, there has been no recognition of
Speaker 2: the gravity of this error. And by the way, we
Speaker 2: will get the full transcript of this chain and your
Speaker 2: testimony will be measured carefully against its content, Thank you,
Speaker 2: mister chairman.
Speaker 1: So you all know when there's like a badass child
Speaker 1: and they have done something that they shouldn't do, and
Speaker 1: then you trying to get them to apologize and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: you know, or maybe it's not even a bad child.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's you know, some years ago. I can't even
Speaker 1: remember what president it was. But in trying to confess
Speaker 1: that something was done wrong, the president says mistakes were made. Bruh,
Speaker 1: who made these mistakes? Right? So I just named a
Speaker 1: laundry list of people who were on this signal thread
Speaker 1: talking about a national secure military strike essentially on international
Speaker 1: soil in Yemen with the editor in chief from The Atlantic,
Speaker 1: and all John oss I was asking is if this
Speaker 1: were a mistake, if it was a mistake, and John
Speaker 1: Ratcliffe full chest out, this is your CIA director, who
Speaker 1: was also on the thread. This has all been by
Speaker 1: the way, we're not even debating whether or not this
Speaker 1: was the thing. Donald Trump went on air and said
Speaker 1: he don't know nothing about it. Well, all of your
Speaker 1: cabinet did, all of your national security advisors did. And
Speaker 1: John Radcliffe, who is the CIA director, is on the
Speaker 1: thread and he's not even willing to acknowledge the fact
Speaker 1: that mistakes were made, which is the lowest bar mistakes
Speaker 1: were made. Couldn't even say that. Let's go to Senator
Speaker 1: Mark Kelly.
Speaker 6: So I understand that DoD policy prohibits discussion of even
Speaker 6: what is called controlled unclassified information or CUI on unsecured devices.
Speaker 6: Are both of you aware of that DoD policy.
Speaker 4: I haven't read that policy.
Speaker 7: Not familiar with the DoD policy, but I would say
Speaker 7: that the Secretary of Defense is the original classification authority
Speaker 7: for DoD and deciding what would be classified information.
Speaker 1: So now we're not just saying we're not even saying
Speaker 1: mistakes were made. Now they're trying to argue about what
Speaker 1: is classified and what is not. My virtue of the
Speaker 1: fact that it was shared on a signal thread completely
Speaker 1: compromises that. So I had the lowest level clearance on
Speaker 1: the hill. I had a TS which is a top
Speaker 1: secret clearance. They're dealing with SCI clearance level information here,
Speaker 1: But they're trying to say that it's not classified. And
Speaker 1: I would argue they may be right because Jeffrey Goldberg
Speaker 1: was in the chat, So if it was classified, it
Speaker 1: ain't classifying the morc job now shared it with the
Speaker 1: public visa vie Jeffrey Goldberg. So they're not willing to
Speaker 1: say that they know what level of classification this would
Speaker 1: have been. They're not willing to say that it's classified.
Speaker 1: But here's the gag for me. In the real Housewives
Speaker 1: of the Trump administration, they're saying that they're not willing
Speaker 1: to turn over the text because right now it's under
Speaker 1: some type of investigation. What's the investigation?
Speaker 6: Friends?
Speaker 1: If it's not classified and no mistake was made, what
Speaker 1: are y'all exactly looking into? That is the question that
Speaker 1: I have, and I want to know, given everything that's
Speaker 1: going on, how exactly might y'all spend this? Let's look
Speaker 1: to Jesse Waters for that.
Speaker 8: Do you ever try to start a group text you're
Speaker 8: adding people and you accidentally add the wrong person all
Speaker 8: of a sudden you're Mary knows all your raunchy plans
Speaker 8: for the bachelor party. Well that kind of happened today
Speaker 8: with the Trump administration. Mike Wallaz was putting together a
Speaker 8: group chat on Signal, an encrypted app, with the Secretary
Speaker 8: of Defense, the VP, and a bunch of other national
Speaker 8: security officials to collaborate on whether to strike Iranian proxies
Speaker 8: in Yemen who keep firing missiles and shutting down shipping. Well,
Speaker 8: National security Advisor Mike Waltz accidentally added a reporter to
Speaker 8: the group text, and not a good reporter, Jeffrey Goldberg
Speaker 8: from the Atlantic, one of the biggest hoax artists around. Well,
Speaker 8: he heard some things he probably shouldn't have, but could
Speaker 8: have been a wee bit of a security breach. But
Speaker 8: it's not like they homebrewed a server and then bleached
Speaker 8: it or kept classified documents in their garages next to
Speaker 8: their corvette. I'm sure it won't happen again.
Speaker 1: So Jesse Water uses this opportunity to talk about y'all's
Speaker 1: I'm Mary. This ain't I'm Mary, bitch. This is the
Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Atlantic, who now has sci level,
Speaker 1: classified level information about bombing Yemen, which it hasn't happened yet,
Speaker 1: is going to happen with all of the top national
Speaker 1: security advisors, directors, cabinet secretaries, and the vice president of
Speaker 1: these United States on a signal thread, not in the
Speaker 1: situation room, talking about how America is going to deal
Speaker 1: with violently another country. That's not I'm Mary, and I
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to tell you all
Speaker 1: because you know, I might know a thing about gas lighting.
Speaker 1: We have all had those toxic relationships or people who
Speaker 1: have tried to deal with us, maybe even toxic friends
Speaker 1: who are masterful at gaslighting. And what about ism? So
Speaker 1: you say, man, you really hurt my hand? Why did
Speaker 1: you close the door so hard? That did hurt my hand?
Speaker 1: And they say, well, my pinky toe is sore too.
Speaker 1: Classic what about ism? Not dealing with the thing the
Speaker 1: issue at play that you're trying to lay in front
Speaker 1: of them to resolve for the purposes of accountability. No accountability,
Speaker 1: no acknowledgment of your pain. Just let me pivot to
Speaker 1: how you hurt my toenail back in the day. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what about ism? Gaslighting is well, I know this
Speaker 1: thing happened, and maybe it's a we did he say
Speaker 1: a wee bit of a security breach? No bit, It
Speaker 1: is a huge security breach. But he said, this thing
Speaker 1: is over here. But let me refocus you to this
Speaker 1: thing that happened with this person who ran for president,
Speaker 1: who was Secretary of State that I feel was way worse.
Speaker 1: Y'all tell me one time Hillary Clinton had y'all's information
Speaker 1: about some type of military strike about some type of
Speaker 1: US interview on a signal thread. He can't do it.
Speaker 1: He can't do it to the point where Hillary Clinton
Speaker 1: is tweeted about this yesterday like You've got to be
Speaker 1: kidding me. And we're gonna talk about why. She probably
Speaker 1: said you got to be kidding me in just the moment.
Speaker 1: But first I want to go to the person on
Speaker 1: this podcast who regularly tells media about itself and tells
Speaker 1: us the expectations that we should have for media, and
Speaker 1: will give this situation or should we say lituation, more
Speaker 1: of the context it deserves to tell you why Pete
Speaker 1: heg Saith, who is y'all secretary of Defense, Why he
Speaker 1: shouldn't be drinking on the job, the kinds of things
Speaker 1: that happen if you do drink on the job. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he was drunk, buddy, it ain't joe us
Speaker 1: acting like it. And let's go to d Tiffany Cross
Speaker 1: to break down why all of this is such a
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 9: Tiffany, this is so utterly ridiculous. It's not only a
Speaker 9: national embarrassment, this is a national emergency. John, and I
Speaker 9: just feel like anybody who has the to to come
Speaker 9: on air and try to defend this. Scott, you just
Speaker 9: said that they're apologetic or that they've admitted some sort
Speaker 9: of wrongdoing. We've just heard the Defense Secretary deny this
Speaker 9: whole thing and instead choose to attack Jeffrey Goldberg, who
Speaker 9: did the responsible thing by not reporting out everything that
Speaker 9: he heard on this or read on this signal chat.
Speaker 9: When this happened. I actually talked to some friends who
Speaker 9: worked in Intel during the Obama administration and the Biden administration,
Speaker 9: and I asked, how do you normally communicate about something
Speaker 9: like this? And there's a skiff that you have to
Speaker 9: have the highest security level to participate in these conversations.
Speaker 9: You go in the room where there's no electronic devices allowed,
Speaker 9: there are no windows. It's taken very seriously. And this
Speaker 9: is what happens when you have a man whose first
Speaker 9: job in government was as President of the United States,
Speaker 9: who's politically in e FT, who employs people who are
Speaker 9: politically in f There's nothing funny about this. We're putting
Speaker 9: our people who serve this country at danger, and we're
Speaker 9: asking people to believe nonsense. And this is a travesty.
Speaker 9: Do we think President She of China is tweeting or
Speaker 9: texting about his national security plans. Do we think vladimir's
Speaker 9: Zelenski is texting about his plans? Do we think President
Speaker 9: Vladimir Putin is spoon feeding Russian talking points to American
Speaker 9: diplomats even on signal? This is a thing that people
Speaker 9: use to talk to their side pieces, something Hexcess would
Speaker 9: certainly know about. This is something that people need to
Speaker 9: talk about March madness. It is a crisis that we
Speaker 9: need to take very seriously, and we can't present this
Speaker 9: as journalists. We cannot present this as though these are
Speaker 9: two opposing political points of view.
Speaker 1: This is a.
Speaker 9: Serious issue that we need to take certain patriots Scott
Speaker 9: I find it really troubling because they ran on this
Speaker 9: whole idea of this pseudo patriotism, this regressive masculine patriotism.
Speaker 9: Yet everything they're doing runs against making America great.
Speaker 1: So Tiff goes on to let dress him down on
Speaker 1: a number of other issues, But the main focus that
Speaker 1: I wanted to have there was what she said about
Speaker 1: how big of a deal it is that they were
Speaker 1: exposing critical well defense information to a reporter. Again, the
Speaker 1: editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic now Before
Speaker 1: I get into everything that tiff said, what I do
Speaker 1: think is important to acknowledge as well is that they
Speaker 1: are now trying to make a boogeyman out of Jeffrey Goldberg.
Speaker 1: In communication strategy, what you will see, particularly in politics
Speaker 1: and political media is when something happens, there is normally
Speaker 1: someone who escapegoated. Sometimes that happens within the realm of
Speaker 1: like you're on the same side, but somebody has to go,
Speaker 1: so you will say, this person over here is the
Speaker 1: responsible one. So this person is the one who has
Speaker 1: to be punished. Jeffrey Goldberg could actually experience punishment for that,
Speaker 1: because you know, we are living in fascists like times,
Speaker 1: so they could actually try to prosecute him or what
Speaker 1: have you. To again distract from the ineptitude of this administration.
Speaker 1: The real didn't earn it HighRes right, so they could
Speaker 1: end up scapegoating him. They certainly have begun doing that
Speaker 1: in the media. You saw it if you all watched
Speaker 1: Pete hegg say being asked about this by a reporter yesterday.
Speaker 1: You saw it in what Jesse Water said, and you
Speaker 1: see Tiffany coming to the defense of Jeffrey Goldberg in
Speaker 1: terms of the standards that he used in his journalistic practices. Now,
Speaker 1: the other thing that I think is important that Tiff
Speaker 1: said is there's nothing funny about this. Some of us
Speaker 1: have been laughing, not because it's funny, but because it
Speaker 1: is incredulous to believe that folks would make this type
Speaker 1: of a mistake. Again, I worked on the Homeland Security Committee.
Speaker 1: If any of us inadvertently exposed classified information, even sbused
Speaker 1: sensitive but unclassified information, or if we would have been
Speaker 1: tweeting about, or texting about, or signaling about, we have
Speaker 1: signal back dag y'allam. Oh, but if we would have
Speaker 1: been talking about it on signal, we would have experienced consequences,
Speaker 1: some of them criminal, could could be fine, could do
Speaker 1: jail time for these things. So that's why this is
Speaker 1: so important to understand what is at stake and why
Speaker 1: what they did was so wrong. Now, there's one last
Speaker 1: piece that I want to share with y'all, and this
Speaker 1: was from a presidential debate in twenty sixteen Donald Trump
Speaker 1: versus Hillary Clinton. And I'm bringing it up because one
Speaker 1: of the things that you know, we talked about the
Speaker 1: scapegoat strategy, that boogeyman, the boogeyman for the Republicans right
Speaker 1: now for Trump supporters is Jeffrey Goldberg. But there's another
Speaker 1: boogeyman or should I say boogie woman, and it's the
Speaker 1: what about ASM tactic on those emails. Let's play it.
Speaker 10: I didn't think i'd say this, but I'm going to
Speaker 10: say it, and I hate to say it, but if
Speaker 10: I win, I am going to instruct my Attorney General
Speaker 10: to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation
Speaker 10: because there has never been so many lies, so much deception,
Speaker 10: There has never been anything like it, and we're going
Speaker 10: to have a special prosecutor. When I speak, I go
Speaker 10: out and speak. The people of this country are furious.
Speaker 10: In my opinion, the people that have been long term
Speaker 10: workers at the FBI are furious. There has never been
Speaker 10: anything like this where emails and you get a subpoena,
Speaker 10: you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, you
Speaker 10: delete thirty three thousand emails and then you ask it
Speaker 10: washam or bleach them, as you would say. A very
Speaker 10: expensive process. So we're going to get a special prosecutor
Speaker 10: and we're going to look into it, because you know
Speaker 10: what people have been, their lives have been destroyed for
Speaker 10: doing one fifth of what you've done, and it's a
Speaker 10: disgrace and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of you, sir.
Speaker 4: I want to follow up on that. I'm going to
Speaker 4: let you talk about it now.
Speaker 6: Because everything he just said is absolutely false.
Speaker 1: We understand that he was wanting to set up a
Speaker 1: special prosecutor to go after her, trying to appease the
Speaker 1: people who were just mad that a woman was running
Speaker 1: for president. But I do think that there are some
Speaker 1: things that we should know here to be fair and
Speaker 1: to be honest. Right, there were two secretaries of State
Speaker 1: in the past who used personal emails to conduct government business,
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell. Some of what they learn
Speaker 1: about in classified briefings is the many ways in which
Speaker 1: government systems, government devices, and whatnot could be hacked. What
Speaker 1: you can guarantee is that there were no situation room
Speaker 1: convenings about strikes, military strikes, state department led interventions. None
Speaker 1: of that was happening on emails. None of that was
Speaker 1: happening on emails. There is absolutely a conversation to be
Speaker 1: had about why they would what intel they were relying
Speaker 1: upon to use their personal emails to use their own servers.
Speaker 1: Why did they think that was more secure than the
Speaker 1: government than a lot of reasons why. I didn't know that,
Speaker 1: But I think that we have to understand the distinction
Speaker 1: here is major. We're talking about an operation, a strike
Speaker 1: that costs people's lives, that was violent, and that took
Speaker 1: place on March fifteenth under this administration. And we also
Speaker 1: have to understand that signal is not allowed to be
Speaker 1: downloaded on government devices because they are hackable, So there
Speaker 1: is a big difference here. I think the other thing
Speaker 1: for us to keep in mind is that the FBI
Speaker 1: Director James Coleman, who so I'm still off you, but
Speaker 1: he said that there was no criminal activity in what
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton did, which clearly indicates that there was nothing
Speaker 1: that was shared from a share from or to her
Speaker 1: email that was overtly classified and that compromised the government.
Speaker 1: This is different. That is all that they did with
Speaker 1: multiple officials on multiple levels fist bumping each other in
Speaker 1: this chat, once the strike happens with American flags waving,
Speaker 1: there's a difference. Not only did they use this signal
Speaker 1: thread to talk about an approach, jd Vance says point
Speaker 1: blank he does not think the president understands the ramification
Speaker 1: of his actions, not in those exact words, but essentially
Speaker 1: that's what he says, and then they go on to
Speaker 1: celebrate this act as if it is all a good
Speaker 1: thing to cost people their lives. So I think these
Speaker 1: are the kinds of things that we have to understand
Speaker 1: in making the distinction. Some people still might say, well,
Speaker 1: I still want to know what about our emails. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you about her emails. She did end up
Speaker 1: winning an election. Y'all got this dude for a president instead,
Speaker 1: who got a Fox News host as his secretary of Defense,
Speaker 1: and they got to go along to get along gang
Speaker 1: cheering on the ineptitude that is costing people their lives.
Speaker 1: There is a big difference. So now America, we're paying
Speaker 1: a cost. So, as far as I'm concerned today, that's
Speaker 1: all I got. I'm a pose here just in case
Speaker 1: there are any questions about what happened. Jeffrey Goldberg was
Speaker 1: affirmatively added to this thread by the National Security Advisor
Speaker 1: Michael Waltz, who works in the White House. That is
Speaker 1: how he got on the thread. They have affirmed that
Speaker 1: this thread was in fact the thing. He was not spooked.
Speaker 1: He was not Ashton, your Punk. Some of you young
Speaker 1: people don't know nothing about that show Punk, but this
Speaker 1: was all the real thing. I wish I could tell
Speaker 1: you this is another episode of Real Housewives. But this
Speaker 1: is not just reality TV. This is the reality that
Speaker 1: we're living in, y'all, so it is a different day.
Speaker 1: Let me check for any questions that if we don't
Speaker 1: have any I'm a log off because I gave y'all
Speaker 1: a bunch of information. Lolo, I don't see any, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna rap. All right, God bless y'all. We will
Speaker 1: talk soon and I will see you next week for
Speaker 1: the Solo pod, and I will see you on Thursday
Speaker 1: for Native lampod with my awesome co host Tiffany Cross
Speaker 1: and Andrew Gillum. Until then, welcome home, y'all. You guys
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