1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Native lanmdpod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, So it is another solo pod for a 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Native lamppod. I am your host, Angela Raie, and today 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: we are talking about the real housewives of the Trump administration, 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: also known as some of your appointed officials, some of 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: them confirmed and overwhelming majorities by the United States Senate. 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: And some of those same people had to make appearances 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: on the latest Trump gate, which is what goes down 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: in your signal threat It should probably not be military strikes. 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and roll, Senator Warner, today, this. 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 3: Was not only sloppy, not only violated all procedures, but 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: if this information had gotten out, American lives could have 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: been lost. This information could reposition their defensive systems. Did 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: you participate in the group chat with Secretary of Defense 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: and other Trump senior officials discussing the m and war. 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 4: Plans, Senator I don't want to get into this. 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: Man, ma'am. Did you were you on You're not going 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: to be willing to addressation, so you're not are you denying? Matt? 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 3: Were you answer my question, ma'am? You were not TG 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 3: on this group chat. 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 4: I'm not going to get into this specific. 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: So you refuse to acknowledge whether you were on this group. 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 4: Chat, Senator, I'm not going to get into this. 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: Why are why are you going to get into specific? 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 3: Is it because it's all classified? 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: Because this is currently under review by the National security. 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 3: Because it's all classified. If it's not classified, share the 30 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 3: text now, Rector Radcliffe, were you on the group chat? 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 5: Senator? I was on a signal messaging group, So you were. 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: The John Radcliffe on that chat? I was thank you, 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: thank you. 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 5: So my communications, to be clear, in a signal message 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 5: group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 5: classified information. 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: We will we will make that determination because if it's 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 3: not classified, share the text with the committee. 39 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 6: Did you. 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: Contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military 41 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: planning was put out and say, hey, we should be 42 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: doing this on a skiff? 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: There was no classified material that was shared. 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: In that so that if there was no classified material, 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: share it with the committee. 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: So what happened was if you all can't tell some 47 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: of you may not have been following this at all. 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: There's a little handy dandy thing we call our cell 49 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: phones and there's a little handy dandy app we call Signal. 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: Many of us use signal. In fact, I know White 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: House staffers, as I talked about on my Instagram live 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: last night, who have used Signaled on their personal devices. 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: They are not allowed to download Signal onto their federal devices, 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: and let me tell you why they're hackable. So what 55 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: these people decided to do was put signal on their 56 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: personal device and talk about a government led a US 57 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: government led strike on Yemen on signal. And the only 58 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: reason why the American people know that there was an 59 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: official government act conducted on behalf of the American people 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: is not because it was on signal app and they 61 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: got hacked. It was because the National Security Advisor added 62 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Goldberg, who just so happens to be the Atlantic 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: editor in chief, into this thread. And so what is 64 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: now being discussed is whether or not the discussions about 65 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: an attack that would happen, not that it already happened, 66 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: that would happen on Yemen, was going to take place, 67 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: and there was fierce debate about it on this signal thread, 68 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: which included your Vice President, your Secretary Area of Treasury, 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: your Secretary of State. That would be Marco Rubio, Tulcy Gabbert, 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: the d and I director, and the National Security Advisor, 71 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: among others. Oh and let me not forget Pete Hegg said. 72 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: And so normally these things happen, these types of strikes 73 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: are discussed in something called the situation room. Well, they 74 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: decided to have a liituation room led by Pete Haig. Saith, 75 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: you're truly the most litty in the administration. So now 76 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: let's go to Senator John Assov to hear what he 77 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: had to say at today's committee hearing. 78 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: Director Ratcliffe, this was a huge mistake. 79 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: Correct, No, a national political no no, no, no, Director 80 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: I said, We asked him, no question, and now you'll 81 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: hold on a national political reporter you can you want? 82 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 2: Was made privy the way sensitive information about it, the 83 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: military operations, a foreign terrorist adding a reporter, and that 84 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: wasn't a huge mistake. That wasn't a huge missa. 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 7: I think the characterized the embarrassment. 86 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 4: This is utterly unprofessional. 87 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: There's been no apology, there has been no recognition of 88 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: the gravity of this error. And by the way, we 89 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: will get the full transcript of this chain and your 90 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: testimony will be measured carefully against its content, Thank you, 91 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: mister chairman. 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: So you all know when there's like a badass child 93 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: and they have done something that they shouldn't do, and 94 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: then you trying to get them to apologize and they're like, no, 95 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, or maybe it's not even a bad child. 96 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: Maybe it's you know, some years ago. I can't even 97 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: remember what president it was. But in trying to confess 98 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: that something was done wrong, the president says mistakes were made. Bruh, 99 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: who made these mistakes? Right? So I just named a 100 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: laundry list of people who were on this signal thread 101 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: talking about a national secure military strike essentially on international 102 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: soil in Yemen with the editor in chief from The Atlantic, 103 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: and all John oss I was asking is if this 104 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: were a mistake, if it was a mistake, and John 105 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: Ratcliffe full chest out, this is your CIA director, who 106 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: was also on the thread. This has all been by 107 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: the way, we're not even debating whether or not this 108 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: was the thing. Donald Trump went on air and said 109 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: he don't know nothing about it. Well, all of your 110 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: cabinet did, all of your national security advisors did. And 111 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: John Radcliffe, who is the CIA director, is on the 112 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: thread and he's not even willing to acknowledge the fact 113 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: that mistakes were made, which is the lowest bar mistakes 114 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: were made. Couldn't even say that. Let's go to Senator 115 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: Mark Kelly. 116 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 6: So I understand that DoD policy prohibits discussion of even 117 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 6: what is called controlled unclassified information or CUI on unsecured devices. 118 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 6: Are both of you aware of that DoD policy. 119 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: I haven't read that policy. 120 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 7: Not familiar with the DoD policy, but I would say 121 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 7: that the Secretary of Defense is the original classification authority 122 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 7: for DoD and deciding what would be classified information. 123 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: So now we're not just saying we're not even saying 124 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: mistakes were made. Now they're trying to argue about what 125 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: is classified and what is not. My virtue of the 126 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: fact that it was shared on a signal thread completely 127 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: compromises that. So I had the lowest level clearance on 128 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: the hill. I had a TS which is a top 129 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: secret clearance. They're dealing with SCI clearance level information here, 130 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: But they're trying to say that it's not classified. And 131 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: I would argue they may be right because Jeffrey Goldberg 132 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: was in the chat, So if it was classified, it 133 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: ain't classifying the morc job now shared it with the 134 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: public visa vie Jeffrey Goldberg. So they're not willing to 135 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: say that they know what level of classification this would 136 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: have been. They're not willing to say that it's classified. 137 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: But here's the gag for me. In the real Housewives 138 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: of the Trump administration, they're saying that they're not willing 139 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: to turn over the text because right now it's under 140 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: some type of investigation. What's the investigation? 141 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 6: Friends? 142 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: If it's not classified and no mistake was made, what 143 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: are y'all exactly looking into? That is the question that 144 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: I have, and I want to know, given everything that's 145 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: going on, how exactly might y'all spend this? Let's look 146 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: to Jesse Waters for that. 147 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 8: Do you ever try to start a group text you're 148 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 8: adding people and you accidentally add the wrong person all 149 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 8: of a sudden you're Mary knows all your raunchy plans 150 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 8: for the bachelor party. Well that kind of happened today 151 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 8: with the Trump administration. Mike Wallaz was putting together a 152 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 8: group chat on Signal, an encrypted app, with the Secretary 153 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 8: of Defense, the VP, and a bunch of other national 154 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 8: security officials to collaborate on whether to strike Iranian proxies 155 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 8: in Yemen who keep firing missiles and shutting down shipping. Well, 156 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 8: National security Advisor Mike Waltz accidentally added a reporter to 157 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 8: the group text, and not a good reporter, Jeffrey Goldberg 158 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 8: from the Atlantic, one of the biggest hoax artists around. Well, 159 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 8: he heard some things he probably shouldn't have, but could 160 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 8: have been a wee bit of a security breach. But 161 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 8: it's not like they homebrewed a server and then bleached 162 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 8: it or kept classified documents in their garages next to 163 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 8: their corvette. I'm sure it won't happen again. 164 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: So Jesse Water uses this opportunity to talk about y'all's 165 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: I'm Mary. This ain't I'm Mary, bitch. This is the 166 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Atlantic, who now has sci level, 167 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: classified level information about bombing Yemen, which it hasn't happened yet, 168 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: is going to happen with all of the top national 169 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: security advisors, directors, cabinet secretaries, and the vice president of 170 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: these United States on a signal thread, not in the 171 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: situation room, talking about how America is going to deal 172 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: with violently another country. That's not I'm Mary, and I 173 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: just want to I just want to tell you all 174 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: because you know, I might know a thing about gas lighting. 175 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: We have all had those toxic relationships or people who 176 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: have tried to deal with us, maybe even toxic friends 177 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: who are masterful at gaslighting. And what about ism? So 178 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: you say, man, you really hurt my hand? Why did 179 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: you close the door so hard? That did hurt my hand? 180 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: And they say, well, my pinky toe is sore too. 181 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: Classic what about ism? Not dealing with the thing the 182 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: issue at play that you're trying to lay in front 183 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: of them to resolve for the purposes of accountability. No accountability, 184 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: no acknowledgment of your pain. Just let me pivot to 185 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: how you hurt my toenail back in the day. Okay, 186 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: that's what about ism? Gaslighting is well, I know this 187 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: thing happened, and maybe it's a we did he say 188 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: a wee bit of a security breach? No bit, It 189 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: is a huge security breach. But he said, this thing 190 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: is over here. But let me refocus you to this 191 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: thing that happened with this person who ran for president, 192 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: who was Secretary of State that I feel was way worse. 193 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: Y'all tell me one time Hillary Clinton had y'all's information 194 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: about some type of military strike about some type of 195 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: US interview on a signal thread. He can't do it. 196 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: He can't do it to the point where Hillary Clinton 197 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: is tweeted about this yesterday like You've got to be 198 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: kidding me. And we're gonna talk about why. She probably 199 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: said you got to be kidding me in just the moment. 200 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: But first I want to go to the person on 201 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: this podcast who regularly tells media about itself and tells 202 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: us the expectations that we should have for media, and 203 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: will give this situation or should we say lituation, more 204 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: of the context it deserves to tell you why Pete 205 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: heg Saith, who is y'all secretary of Defense, Why he 206 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't be drinking on the job, the kinds of things 207 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: that happen if you do drink on the job. I'm 208 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: not saying he was drunk, buddy, it ain't joe us 209 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: acting like it. And let's go to d Tiffany Cross 210 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: to break down why all of this is such a 211 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: big deal. 212 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 9: Tiffany, this is so utterly ridiculous. It's not only a 213 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 9: national embarrassment, this is a national emergency. John, and I 214 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 9: just feel like anybody who has the to to come 215 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 9: on air and try to defend this. Scott, you just 216 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 9: said that they're apologetic or that they've admitted some sort 217 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 9: of wrongdoing. We've just heard the Defense Secretary deny this 218 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 9: whole thing and instead choose to attack Jeffrey Goldberg, who 219 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 9: did the responsible thing by not reporting out everything that 220 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 9: he heard on this or read on this signal chat. 221 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 9: When this happened. I actually talked to some friends who 222 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 9: worked in Intel during the Obama administration and the Biden administration, 223 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 9: and I asked, how do you normally communicate about something 224 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 9: like this? And there's a skiff that you have to 225 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 9: have the highest security level to participate in these conversations. 226 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 9: You go in the room where there's no electronic devices allowed, 227 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 9: there are no windows. It's taken very seriously. And this 228 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 9: is what happens when you have a man whose first 229 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 9: job in government was as President of the United States, 230 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 9: who's politically in e FT, who employs people who are 231 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 9: politically in f There's nothing funny about this. We're putting 232 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 9: our people who serve this country at danger, and we're 233 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 9: asking people to believe nonsense. And this is a travesty. 234 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 9: Do we think President She of China is tweeting or 235 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 9: texting about his national security plans. Do we think vladimir's 236 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 9: Zelenski is texting about his plans? Do we think President 237 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 9: Vladimir Putin is spoon feeding Russian talking points to American 238 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 9: diplomats even on signal? This is a thing that people 239 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 9: use to talk to their side pieces, something Hexcess would 240 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 9: certainly know about. This is something that people need to 241 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 9: talk about March madness. It is a crisis that we 242 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 9: need to take very seriously, and we can't present this 243 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 9: as journalists. We cannot present this as though these are 244 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 9: two opposing political points of view. 245 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: This is a. 246 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 9: Serious issue that we need to take certain patriots Scott 247 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 9: I find it really troubling because they ran on this 248 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 9: whole idea of this pseudo patriotism, this regressive masculine patriotism. 249 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 9: Yet everything they're doing runs against making America great. 250 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: So Tiff goes on to let dress him down on 251 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: a number of other issues, But the main focus that 252 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to have there was what she said about 253 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: how big of a deal it is that they were 254 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: exposing critical well defense information to a reporter. Again, the 255 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic now Before 256 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: I get into everything that tiff said, what I do 257 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: think is important to acknowledge as well is that they 258 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: are now trying to make a boogeyman out of Jeffrey Goldberg. 259 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: In communication strategy, what you will see, particularly in politics 260 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and political media is when something happens, there is normally 261 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: someone who escapegoated. Sometimes that happens within the realm of 262 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: like you're on the same side, but somebody has to go, 263 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: so you will say, this person over here is the 264 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: responsible one. So this person is the one who has 265 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: to be punished. Jeffrey Goldberg could actually experience punishment for that, 266 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: because you know, we are living in fascists like times, 267 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: so they could actually try to prosecute him or what 268 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: have you. To again distract from the ineptitude of this administration. 269 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: The real didn't earn it HighRes right, so they could 270 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: end up scapegoating him. They certainly have begun doing that 271 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: in the media. You saw it if you all watched 272 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: Pete hegg say being asked about this by a reporter yesterday. 273 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: You saw it in what Jesse Water said, and you 274 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: see Tiffany coming to the defense of Jeffrey Goldberg in 275 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: terms of the standards that he used in his journalistic practices. Now, 276 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: the other thing that I think is important that Tiff 277 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: said is there's nothing funny about this. Some of us 278 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: have been laughing, not because it's funny, but because it 279 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: is incredulous to believe that folks would make this type 280 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: of a mistake. Again, I worked on the Homeland Security Committee. 281 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: If any of us inadvertently exposed classified information, even sbused 282 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: sensitive but unclassified information, or if we would have been 283 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: tweeting about, or texting about, or signaling about, we have 284 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: signal back dag y'allam. Oh, but if we would have 285 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: been talking about it on signal, we would have experienced consequences, 286 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: some of them criminal, could could be fine, could do 287 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: jail time for these things. So that's why this is 288 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: so important to understand what is at stake and why 289 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: what they did was so wrong. Now, there's one last 290 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: piece that I want to share with y'all, and this 291 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: was from a presidential debate in twenty sixteen Donald Trump 292 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: versus Hillary Clinton. And I'm bringing it up because one 293 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: of the things that you know, we talked about the 294 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: scapegoat strategy, that boogeyman, the boogeyman for the Republicans right 295 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: now for Trump supporters is Jeffrey Goldberg. But there's another 296 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: boogeyman or should I say boogie woman, and it's the 297 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: what about ASM tactic on those emails. Let's play it. 298 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 10: I didn't think i'd say this, but I'm going to 299 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 10: say it, and I hate to say it, but if 300 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 10: I win, I am going to instruct my Attorney General 301 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 10: to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation 302 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 10: because there has never been so many lies, so much deception, 303 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 10: There has never been anything like it, and we're going 304 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 10: to have a special prosecutor. When I speak, I go 305 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 10: out and speak. The people of this country are furious. 306 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 10: In my opinion, the people that have been long term 307 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 10: workers at the FBI are furious. There has never been 308 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 10: anything like this where emails and you get a subpoena, 309 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 10: you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, you 310 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 10: delete thirty three thousand emails and then you ask it 311 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 10: washam or bleach them, as you would say. A very 312 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 10: expensive process. So we're going to get a special prosecutor 313 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 10: and we're going to look into it, because you know 314 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 10: what people have been, their lives have been destroyed for 315 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 10: doing one fifth of what you've done, and it's a 316 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 10: disgrace and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of you, sir. 317 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 4: I want to follow up on that. I'm going to 318 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: let you talk about it now. 319 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 6: Because everything he just said is absolutely false. 320 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: We understand that he was wanting to set up a 321 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: special prosecutor to go after her, trying to appease the 322 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: people who were just mad that a woman was running 323 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: for president. But I do think that there are some 324 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: things that we should know here to be fair and 325 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: to be honest. Right, there were two secretaries of State 326 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: in the past who used personal emails to conduct government business, 327 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell. Some of what they learn 328 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: about in classified briefings is the many ways in which 329 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: government systems, government devices, and whatnot could be hacked. What 330 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: you can guarantee is that there were no situation room 331 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: convenings about strikes, military strikes, state department led interventions. None 332 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: of that was happening on emails. None of that was 333 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: happening on emails. There is absolutely a conversation to be 334 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: had about why they would what intel they were relying 335 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: upon to use their personal emails to use their own servers. 336 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: Why did they think that was more secure than the 337 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: government than a lot of reasons why. I didn't know that, 338 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: But I think that we have to understand the distinction 339 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: here is major. We're talking about an operation, a strike 340 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: that costs people's lives, that was violent, and that took 341 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: place on March fifteenth under this administration. And we also 342 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: have to understand that signal is not allowed to be 343 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: downloaded on government devices because they are hackable, So there 344 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: is a big difference here. I think the other thing 345 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: for us to keep in mind is that the FBI 346 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: Director James Coleman, who so I'm still off you, but 347 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: he said that there was no criminal activity in what 348 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton did, which clearly indicates that there was nothing 349 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: that was shared from a share from or to her 350 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: email that was overtly classified and that compromised the government. 351 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: This is different. That is all that they did with 352 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: multiple officials on multiple levels fist bumping each other in 353 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: this chat, once the strike happens with American flags waving, 354 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: there's a difference. Not only did they use this signal 355 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: thread to talk about an approach, jd Vance says point 356 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: blank he does not think the president understands the ramification 357 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: of his actions, not in those exact words, but essentially 358 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: that's what he says, and then they go on to 359 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: celebrate this act as if it is all a good 360 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: thing to cost people their lives. So I think these 361 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: are the kinds of things that we have to understand 362 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: in making the distinction. Some people still might say, well, 363 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: I still want to know what about our emails. Well, 364 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you about her emails. She did end up 365 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: winning an election. Y'all got this dude for a president instead, 366 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: who got a Fox News host as his secretary of Defense, 367 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: and they got to go along to get along gang 368 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: cheering on the ineptitude that is costing people their lives. 369 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: There is a big difference. So now America, we're paying 370 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: a cost. So, as far as I'm concerned today, that's 371 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: all I got. I'm a pose here just in case 372 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: there are any questions about what happened. Jeffrey Goldberg was 373 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: affirmatively added to this thread by the National Security Advisor 374 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: Michael Waltz, who works in the White House. That is 375 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: how he got on the thread. They have affirmed that 376 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: this thread was in fact the thing. He was not spooked. 377 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: He was not Ashton, your Punk. Some of you young 378 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: people don't know nothing about that show Punk, but this 379 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: was all the real thing. I wish I could tell 380 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: you this is another episode of Real Housewives. But this 381 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: is not just reality TV. This is the reality that 382 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: we're living in, y'all, so it is a different day. 383 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: Let me check for any questions that if we don't 384 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: have any I'm a log off because I gave y'all 385 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: a bunch of information. Lolo, I don't see any, So 386 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna rap. All right, God bless y'all. 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