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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're ketch it up on the latest

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Speaker 1: trailers for Thunderbolts, The Last of Us. We've got Sadie

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Speaker 1: Sink news, We've got spider Man news, We've got Toxic

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Speaker 1: Avenger news, all that and more. Hello, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jason Concepcion and I'm day Night and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: x ray Vision, the podcast where we dive you your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. Company from my

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Speaker 1: oar podcast where we're bringing you three episodes a week

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Plus news and this is news.

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Speaker 2: So in today's previously on episode, we are catching up

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Speaker 2: on some of the biggest and ninety news, including new

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Speaker 2: trailer for the Loss of the season two, a twenty

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Speaker 2: four star trailer for the thunder Bolts US, new Spider

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Speaker 2: Man casting, and first look at my face disabled icon

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Speaker 2: Toxic Avenger in the new Macon Blair directed Toxic Avenger movie.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be a fun one.

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Speaker 1: First up headlines. First on news, we've got a new

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Speaker 1: trailer for season two of the Last of Us, lots

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Speaker 1: of zombie action. We see a guitar change hands, which

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Speaker 1: fans of the game will will recognize The trailer ends

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Speaker 1: with Abby holding back tears as she angrily mutters under

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Speaker 1: her breath, you swore, meaning what question mark our super

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Speaker 1: producer Joelle thinks, and I agree that it means you

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Speaker 1: swore that you swore that you didn't kill all the

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on this trailer, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you like the Lost of Us, this

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Speaker 2: looks like more of the Lost of Us looks very good. Also,

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Speaker 2: I think it be it made like a viewership record

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Speaker 2: so there's obviously a lot of interest in this one.

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Speaker 2: I am interested to see if they can kind of

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm intrigued. I can't believe it's only a

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Speaker 1: Mean from the trailer, it appears that we're getting a

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Speaker 1: Buckle your seat belt. There's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Buckle those zombie chewed up seat belt. Guys.

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Speaker 1: The zombies are kind of the least of our worries. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Next up an a twenty four question marking style trailer

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Speaker 2: So does this play about us?

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Speaker 1: The Marvel has done something honestly very creative in their

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Speaker 1: Uh the a twenty four trailer, it's very cheeky. The

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Speaker 1: Exciting news for Spider Man, for Sadie Sink joins the

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Speaker 2: I gotta say this, guys, and I know that the

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Speaker 2: some sad news for you. She is not playing Jean Gray.

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Speaker 2: It's not necessarily think that just because you're ginger, you

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Speaker 2: So I think I'm pretty sure we've seen could it

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Speaker 1: get our first look at Peter Dinklage as the Toxic Avenger, and.

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Speaker 2: Folks, Yes, it looks, it looks, it looks insane.

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