WEBVTT - Drive Time: 2025 Miami Dolphins Training Camp Preview Part 2, Defense 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:14.480 This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. What is up, Dolphins 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.560 and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:21.439 Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, it's Christmas Eve. Dolphins 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.520 football is back on the grass tomorrow and I'm gonna 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.040 have you guys covered on every single platform, every single 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.960 medium you can imagine. Before that, though, let's go ahead 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.920 and conclude our two part series here and take a 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.640 look at this defense that has undergone quite an overhaul 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.760 this offseason under Anthony Weaver, who's back as the first 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:44.280 repeat DC on the team since Josh Boyer, and fresh 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.000 off of season where the defense finished fourth in total 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.880 defense in the NFL. The swarming pass rush, the big 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.240 bodies inside the deepest linebacker room possibly in the league, 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.880 and a connected secondary. All of that today from the 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.040 Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:05.560 is the Draft Time Podcast. Hey, let's go ahead and 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.319 jump right into this today, because it is like when 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.360 it's eight pm on Christmas Eve and you tell your 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.000 kids the sooner you go to sleep, the sooner Santa 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.120 Claus arrives, we can go ahead and wake up and 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.840 open our presence. Our presence await tomorrow and yesterday we 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.280 did the offense. Today of the defense, Let's go ahead 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.400 and move inside to the interior defensive line and start 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.720 with mister Zach Steeler, who it was reported on I 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.440 don't know what day it was, Drew Rosenhaus said, the 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.720 Zach's either will in fact be here for camp. He's 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.720 a guy that has double digit sacks each of the 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.840 last two years. The only defensive tackle to do that power, polish, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.520 just enough wiggle to win the length that dictates everything 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.720 we do upfront. When you have a long pocket collapser 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.480 inside like this guy, and a linebacker room full of 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.880 guys with instincts, quick first steps, and enough blitzing chops 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.680 to impact the picture for the opposing quarterback, well, it's 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.320 the perfect combination. That was the one thing I felt 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.280 this defense had cooking all year last year was Zach 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.920 winning from multiple alignments and Jordan Brooks and eventually Terrell 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.800 Dotson getting downhill from their off ball linebacker positions. The 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.240 edge position was decimated by injury. The corner room had 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.160 some very up and down performances, but this was part. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.720 This part was consistent and set the table for the 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.960 rest of the defense. To produce the way it did. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.280 Now we sprinkle in Willie Gay, we get the edges 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.160 back in the you know, in the mix. Another year 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.760 of connectivity on that back end and the secondary. We'll 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.680 see what happens with the with the personnel. But I 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.280 think with Zach, the ability to play more inside is 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.880 only going to benefit him. I think he's a good 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.320 end and kind of saved us when we got decimated 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.000 by injury. But inside he's one of the game's most 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.400 dominant forces. Speaking of dominant forces, Kenneth Grant, I think 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.880 has every chance in the world to be that. And 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.520 if I'm right about Zach as a table center, then 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.320 I think we've duplicated that here with KG. He's a 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.880 better athlete, not quite as long, but heavier and bigger 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.280 than Zach is. And if he can learn from Zach 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.720 Seeler and Coach Clark, and if KG can become even 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.919 seventy five percent of the technician that Zach is, that 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.240 I think we're gonna have something really really special there. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.400 I think we're gonna look back at his Michigan tape 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.280 and I think about Charles Davis saying, like grade the Flashes. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.640 I think we'll look back at that tape, akin to 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.959 that meme of Drake and Lil YACHTI looking at the 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.720 computer screen and being like, oh, I understand it now, 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.600 Like the tape was was rare and it would not 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.000 at all surprise me to look back and be like, oh, yeah, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.040 this guy was an obvious game wrecord. Why didn't he 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.760 go higher in the draft? I can't wait to watch 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.000 him play. To me, like Dexter Lawrence's tape was that 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.720 way in college and he kind of got bypassed because 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.680 people thought he was only a nose go figure. Jeffrey 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.680 Simmons was kind of similar to and Andre Sweat a 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.800 little bit last year in that same vein. I think 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.000 that KG is going to be every bit as good 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.080 as Zach Steeler, and if that's if that's the case, 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.640 you're talking about like the next Williams wall here and 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.760 your younger folks, the Vikings used to have Pat and 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.960 Kevin Williams as the best defensive tackle rotation really maybe 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.960 ever for a lot a long time there in Minnesota. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.640 Jordan Phillips the other rookie that I could not be 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.520 more bullish on on this roster. I guess really, I 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.760 mean KG Phillips and Jonah all kind of fall in 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.800 that category for me. But pure strength, the grip strength, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.000 when you shake his hand, you know, as one hundred 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.000 and sixty pound podcaster, it feels like you're gonna get 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.520 your hand broken. His pad level, his first step, the 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.920 anchor for double teams. I think we stole Phillips where 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.760 we got him in the draft. I think you can 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.039 use him in that Wilkins role where he plays that 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.279 three tech and two and two I technique over the 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.560 guard and prevents those duo and inside zone runs from 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.599 getting their second level climb where they want to catch 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.400 and climb off that first level and go get a linebacker. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.840 I also think we're going to look back at his 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.479 college sack production, just like we did with Chop, Like 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.920 if you're grading off of sacks, you're taking shortcuts to 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.760 the evaluation process. Because the tape is really good and 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.360 he was an impactful player at Maryland there in college. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.320 It might take some time like it did with Chop. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:51.800 I never think a rook is gonna come out and 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.720 be like, you know, a table setter or a big 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.719 producer right away. I think KG and Jonah could be that, 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.840 But I think for Jordan. It might take a few 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.000 a few months maybe, but I think we got ourselves 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.320 a player here in Jordan Phillips, and then the rest 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.000 of the rotation to me is kind of you know, 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:07.520 we'll see how it works out over the course of 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.400 the next month. Bnito Jones probably in line for a 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.080 pretty specific role on this defensive line. He's got the 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.480 best year of his career last year working with Coach Clark, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.680 both as a space eater but also as a pass rusher. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:20.800 There were some wins there and that wasn't really his 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.720 game with the Lions or here previously. But I think 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.520 the way we can play big off the edge, like 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.039 with Zach and Kalais last year or now with Chubb 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.000 and Phillips' ability to kick inside and play bigger end positions, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.919 I think Benito can get more isolation snaps on just 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.760 the center where he, you know, gives that center forty 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.320 pounds of a mismatch and he can go to work 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.039 on that nose position. That's kind of where you guys 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.680 pass rush wins last year when the guards couldn't help 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.560 on him. Between his ability to play the nose like 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.600 twenties snaps a game, then how you can rotate you know, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.520 Zach kg JP, hopefully Zeke Biggers in that mix as well. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.599 I think there's a lot of options for how you 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.600 get different guys on the nose, different guys at those 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.760 two and three technique positions, and you've got a pretty 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.839 good buffet of options there if you're Coach Weaver and 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.000 Coach Clark. Speaking of that, I think Matthew Butler is 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.600 kind of my unsung guy in the group in general. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.040 Limited playing time with the Rares over three years, a 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.920 massive scheme change that made him expendable there, And that's 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.560 as far as I would look in terms of like 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.039 why he was let go. When he was let go, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:23.920 I would look at him akin to some of the 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.440 additions last year that we were hoping could be those 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.440 fifteen twenty snap per game rotational guys like a Tier 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.120 Tart who got out the door and went and had 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.640 a really good year with the Chargers, and Jonathan Harris 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.320 and Nevill Gallimore didn't have the same production, but those 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.400 were guys that you kind of thought might be in 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.840 that type of vein, and I think Matthew Butler can 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.440 be that. To me, he's more of a three tech 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.000 than a nose, but he too has position of flexibility. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.200 I think he's got some good wiggles of pass rush. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.479 I think the room got really deep, really fast. Quite frankly, 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.200 Zeke Biggers. It's funny because I think the positions these 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.600 guys played in college almost across the board, like it 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.760 isn't uniform to what they'll be as pros. And all 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.400 that means is there are options and again flexibility a 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.039 buffet of options. Right. But he played almost entirely over 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.880 the guard in college, which when I looked at the 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.520 numbers and that you know is corroborated by the film. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.400 I was kind of surprised that he was basically a 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.880 two to two I and three technique. And if you're 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.200 new to the podcast, A two technique is head up 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.680 over the guard. You are a helmet to helmet, face 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.080 mask to face mask. A two I means you're off 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.320 the inside shoulder. A three means you're off the outside 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.280 shoulder of the offensive guard. But I think he's a 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.160 picture perfect nose build at this type. Like I look 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.000 at him as the if Benito Jones gets hurt. I 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.600 think Zeke Biggers is kind of the guy that you 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.600 slot in as that next nose tackle like he's like 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.720 Kenneth Grant and Jordan Phillips, and that he's young, and 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.560 I think the best football's ahead of him for all 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.040 three of those guys. Matthew Dickerson was a guy that 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.160 had a nice spring after playing some reps down the 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.720 stretch last year. It's an important camp for him to 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:53.400 kind of see if he can't carve his way into 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.280 this young group and holds some of these guys off, 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.080 because if he can, that's a good thing for the 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.760 Miami Dolphins. AJ Huntley is a massive man. I love 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.480 that he played against the Michigan offensive line every single 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.240 day in practice, and like the rest of the room, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.680 he has some surprising wiggle for his size. And then 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.680 Ben Stilly sort of an outlier in terms of the 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.400 style and body composition to me of the rest of 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:13.920 the room. But I can't sit here and act like 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.080 I wasn't massively impressed by him in his first preseason 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.360 with the Miami Dolphins said I thought he could play 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:20.960 in the league back then, and that's what he's done 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.760 for a few years with the Arizona Cardinals. I think 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.000 this room has really built the vision of coach Weavers 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.480 defense not going to rehash the point I've made on 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.800 this podcast probably four or five times now for the 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.560 last several months that the Ravens, Titans, and Seahawks and 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:37.160 Dolphins defenses who have this similar scheme and type of 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.640 you know, philosophy defensively virtuatle groups that typically center around 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.480 one or two dominant types with Sealer and Grant hopefully, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.240 and then you know Sweat and Simmons and tennessee Mattabek, 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.559 Michael Pearce in Baltimore, and then Seattle has a million guys. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.160 You could put Travis Jones in that group in Baltimore 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.200 now that Pierce has gone, But then a bunch of 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.080 guys that kind of orbit around what you have in 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.880 those top two, guys that can play twenty snaps in 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.760 various roles and stay fresh and be adaptable to all 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.920 the schemes they'll see. If there's one question, I would 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.720 say that it's you're counting on a bunch of young 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.240 players to be good players right away. But as long 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.280 as Grant and Phillips are that, then I think you 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.800 have a very deep interior defensive line, one of the 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.360 deeper ones in the league. If you get all of 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.280 that off the edge. Just go ahead and do this, 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.719 We'll take a break Chop Robinson. If I had to 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.880 pick a breakout player on the roster, it would definitely 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.880 be him, And that almost seems disingenuous because he kind 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.240 of had that breakout in the second half of last season. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.040 So a breakout means something like double digit sacks. I 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.600 don't think is a stretch at all for him, and 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.760 just a consistent problem on third downs, which again pro 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.600 rate in the second half of the season last year. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.280 That's what he was. He was one of the best 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.200 in the league. He was sensational all spring long. He 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.200 is a guy that the coaches are going to boast 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.760 about throughout the course of training camp, possibly the best 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.560 player on the field throughout OTAs. I think you saw 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.840 his full skill set start to blossom late playing more 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.160 nosebacker like he did at Penn State, when that was 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.920 an absolute shoot for teams when they would sneak him 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.200 down over the center and say, deal with the one 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.280 to six ten split get off and a guy that 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.800 has like outside edge rushing prowess on top of Jordan 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.800 Brooks and Willie Gay, like, there's just so much to 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.880 contend with when he does that. We saw him kick 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.160 into that position late last like the last game of 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.520 the year, and I think there's more on the menu 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.600 for him in that regard. He's a case study and 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.000 how they've sort of pivoted the mode of roster building, right, 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.719 we went from this pretty veteran team to taking these 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.200 uber talented twenty one year olds dripping with upside. And 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.960 I think Chopp is already the best version of himself, 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.360 and there's a rocket attached to his upward trajectory. Watch 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.360 for him to move all over the formation, be a 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.200 matchup nightmare, and be a guy that's talked about around 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.800 the league as a true game wrecord. I think that's 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.920 in store here for Chop Robinson and listing Chubb first 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.760 and kind of doing I guess my projected depth chart 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.960 going into this, and you know, the coaches will say, like, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.439 we don't do depth charts this time of year. That's 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.000 more for like you know, official league purposes. But if 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.000 I'm kind of projecting out here on a podcast for 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.960 the sake of entertainment and what you guys, you know, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:10.040 like the power of evaluation and projection, I do think 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.480 Chop might be on top of that list. But I 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.800 say that with the utmost respect for the next two 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.040 guys that if they returned to their pre injury form, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.280 are right in that mix as well. And we'll start 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.640 with Bradley Chubb because the combination of Phillips and Chubb's 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.400 return allows us to use Chop in that sort of 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.880 X factor role I just talked about. You saw it 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:33.160 in Dallas with Micah. Having DeMarcus Lawrence and Dorance Armstrong 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.240 as lockdown edge defenders against the run with plenty of 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.679 pass rushed juice on their own allowed them to get 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.240 Parsons on the field as a floating third edge type. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.679 And last year they lose Dornce Armstrong and Micah had 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.120 a bit of a down year. He was hurt, but 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.880 he did. He wasn't as productive when he was out there, 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.560 and now they're not. They're gonna have no DeMarcus Lawrence either, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.720 so they're gonna have to replace that player as well. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.520 But Chubb's length and strength off the edge, what he 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.680 provides from a leadership standpoint, plenty of ability to rush 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.880 the passer out why but also kick inside and do 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.480 it in there. I'm not sure there's an individual on 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.720 the roster. I'm rooting for more than Bradley Chubb this year, 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.520 and I think he'll be back to his pre injury explosiveness. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:12.760 This is not going to be a player that you 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.200 have to like ramp up, because he was ramping up 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.240 last December and now he's basically full go. We just 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.800 need him and our next guy to be healthy. And 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.920 I think this defense can work as currently constructed, even 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:25.240 with some of the questions you might have on the 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.600 back end. Because for Phillips, if it's not Chubb, JP's 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.679 the one I'm rootting for the hardest on this entire team. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.920 Like he doesn't seem phased by an incredibly unlucky situation 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.920 that puts him in a spot where like I mean, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.600 I don't know, I'd be curious to ask JP this candidly, 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.880 Like what enters your mind when you think about like 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.280 the physicality of football, Like what happens to your career 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.400 if you do go down for a third straight year, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.480 Like that's got to be something that a player would 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.680 think about. But I think that he's wired the right 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.400 way to allow him to be the impactful guy and 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.959 to play without hesitation and be an impact player right away, 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.319 And don't forget before chop, this was the athletic freak 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.240 on the team if he had even ninety percent of 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.240 his explosiveness and get off and power that he plays 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.160 with with his experience and now his newly added block 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.680 deconstruction over the last three or four years, Like I 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.480 am pumped about these top three guys in this edge group. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.120 Now from there there are some questions after that, right, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.520 and it's kind of like role players trying to find 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.760 out where they fit in. I think Quentin Bell could be, 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.480 at his peak, the perfect type of fourth edge on 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.280 your depth chart. He can play on special teams, he 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:32.960 can set the edge in the run game, and he 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.000 can win the occasional one on one where he gets 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.760 a shot off the edge. You need players like Quentin 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.640 Bell in every single room. A grinder, a workout warrior 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.400 who came from undrafted cut, you know, a practice squad, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.439 to a guy that makes your roster flashes production. Guys 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.600 love him. I think guys like him are very valuable 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.520 to your roster, and then you kind of get into 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.200 a mix of players that kind of have something to prove, right. 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.720 Mohammed Kamara was a player that was a highly decorated 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.160 college pass rusher, goes in the fifth round of the draft, 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.640 has a wicked first step. He talked about how his 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.800 rookie year was a lot of like kind of getting 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.280 things down from a mental standpoint, and that kind of 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.640 has slowed down for him, which is a trope. I'm 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.360 aware of that, but it's it's true for a lot 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.600 of these guys. With the depth here, I think he 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.679 has a chance to keep developing and just kind of 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.760 be an ace in the hole. Like, Hey, if your 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.920 biggest pass rush for us to start the year comes, 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:24.480 you know, October thirtieth against the Ravens because we lose 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.040 a player for a game and you've just been kind 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.680 of working in the shadows, that's great. I would love that. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.320 So from Okamara, just like keep on the you know 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.960 the path, and keep working and the opportunity will come 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.520 when it comes. Grayson Murphy, I think the same is 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.920 true for him, and I'm actually pretty high on this guy. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:40.720 I think that Murphy has a really good chance to 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.920 be that fourth actually, and I think he's the biggest 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.480 sleeper on the entire team. Like dominant camp last year, 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.040 great opening drive of the preseason that I've talked about 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.920 way too much, gets hurt comes back and just keeps 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.400 on doing it. No tas just be ready for the 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.960 notes every day to have a Murphy play in the 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.000 camp because he's got a wicked dip, ghost rip trio 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.520 of moves that will allows him to corner angle back 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.160 to the quarterback. He has a lot to deal with, 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.120 and he got after the quarterback all through spring ball. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.680 And then Cam Good was a guy that also has 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.040 had a major injury that kind of restarted his career. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.800 He was a core special team guy before that brutal 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.080 injury at the end of twenty twenty three, which if 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.640 his leg doesn't freaking break like we make that tackle 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.680 and maybe that game is different, maybe win the division, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.760 like it all could have been different because that hole 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.680 that Deontay Hardy hit on that ninety yard punt return 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.400 happened because a guy freaking broke a leg and it 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.440 kind of wiped out his twenty twenty four season. For 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.640 the most part, I just love how this room is 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.520 a bunch of guys that all have a different type 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.280 of appreciation for the game. Given the recent injury. Luck like, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.840 they're not gonna take it for granted. I think that'll 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.280 feel all of them collectively from good all the way 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.400 up to Bradley Chubb and then Derek McClendon. Not hard 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.000 to see the fit here. You plug in his collar 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.160 rido tape and you see a guy that stands up 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.360 and rushes the edge, mugs up in the a gaps. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.000 I always like when you have depth pieces that somewhat 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.960 replicate the skills of the guys the top of the room, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.680 and his game is like chops and that's something worth 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.960 inving and developing. In my opinion, this group will go 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.240 as far as health as the health takes them, and 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.120 we need it to. This front seven has to be 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.160 healthy and has to be dominant to kind of, you know, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.120 help the secondary be productive in their own right. So 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.160 speaking of that secondary, let's go ahead and take a 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.680 quick break, come back and do the back seven. We'll 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.400 do off ball linebackers. Next Draft Time podcast brought to 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:24.680 you by AutoNation. We've done the edge and the defensive tackles. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.120 Now let's go ahead and move to the off ball linebackers. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.920 As by the time you hear this podcast, depending on 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.320 when you get to it, we might be on the 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.560 field already in twenty twenty five season might be underway 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.880 and I'm very excited about this group of players, the 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.560 off ball linebackers, starting with a player that when I 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.240 watched his tape last year after we signed him, I 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.640 just thought Jordan Brooks was going to be an absolute 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.040 stud for us, and he went above and beyond that. 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.360 I feel pretty confident in my expectation that we can 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.600 drop Brooks in from about the point that he found 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.480 himself right around Week six or seven last year, and 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.600 that could be give or take. He was playing good 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.560 football before that, you could tell he wasn't all the 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.280 way comfortable in the system yet, and once he got 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.520 to that level, it became great football, like all pro 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.640 type of football. Electric first step, outstanding twenty yards down 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.440 the field in coverage, who can flip his hips like 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.080 a defensive back. Running Backs hate seeing him come on 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.720 blitz because he can usually run through them or around them, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.239 Exceptional range to the sideline, a real dog mentality. Like 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.840 you hear all the stuff about you know, finesse football 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.320 team and whatever you want to call it, Like Jordan 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.520 Brooks defies all of those narratives, and he's going to 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.600 be a big reason why this thing shifts and turns 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.760 around this year. In that rang in that capacity rather, 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:38.520 and I just think he's one of the very best 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.000 at his position, and getting more comfortable in the defense 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.960 signed me up for that. Speaking of more comfortable, Tyrel 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.840 Dodson got here last November and took off. I mean, 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.000 his leadership role has blossomed this spring and summer, getting 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.840 guys on the field, directing post practice walkthroughs, drilling on 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.240 the rules and fundamentals. He's got playmaking chops tie for 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.800 the team leading interceptions last year despite playing was a 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.520 ten games. If he can help you on special teams, 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.159 also if you endure injuries down the depth chart, and 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.080 that's where I feel like this room can really kind 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:12.000