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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you

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Speaker 2: should know. Root and Toot and wild West Mobbed Up

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Speaker 2: Vegas Spectacular.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Before we get going, though, we want to

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Speaker 1: very quickly just say our friends Ben Harrison and Adam Pranica,

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Speaker 1: who we talk about a lot, genuine friends of ours

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Speaker 1: of the Greatest Generation podcast. They have done a very

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Speaker 1: brave thing and got out on their own. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: left the Max Fun Network, which is always kind of

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Speaker 1: a scary thing, and they are they're looking for people

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Speaker 1: to support them there. They're loyal fans to support them

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Speaker 1: with a mirror at entry level six dollars a month

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Speaker 1: for an ad free version of not only The Greatest Generation,

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Speaker 1: but my favorite two podcasts that they do, the Factory

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Speaker 1: Seconds podcast where they one by one eat their way

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Speaker 1: through the cheesecake Factory menu, and the Santa Monica Mountains

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Speaker 1: podcast their rewatch of Baywatch.

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Speaker 2: That's just those guys are just a delight as people,

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Speaker 2: as podcasters all of that. So where would they go?

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Speaker 2: Where would somebody go and be like, take my six

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Speaker 2: dollars and then some.

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Speaker 1: They are going. Adam is sending everyone to Greatest dot

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Speaker 1: supercast dot com, and you know, support these guys, support

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Speaker 1: independent artists. It's like I said, it's a very sort

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Speaker 1: of brave thing to do to go out on your

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Speaker 1: own these days and try and be an indie artist

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Speaker 1: in any creative realm. So we love Ben, we love Adam.

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Speaker 1: I love those podcasts, and so I signed up obviously

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Speaker 1: because I still got to get my I'm eventually going

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Speaker 1: to be a guest on Factory seconds to keep promising

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Speaker 1: me nice. I'm a bit of a heel so far,

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Speaker 1: because at one point I said that the Cheesecake Factory

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Speaker 1: just I assume they did like bagged food like every

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Speaker 1: other big cheer like that, And I was wrong, and

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Speaker 1: they have not stopped making fun of me since then.

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Speaker 3: About that?

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Speaker 2: Is it from scratch there? Oh? Wayay?

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Speaker 1: They cook all that stuff, even like their sauces.

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Speaker 2: Dude, Wow, No, I had no idea. I'll have to

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Speaker 2: send them that gift certificate we got for Jerry for

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Speaker 2: She's Cake Factory that she was like, I don't want this.

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Speaker 2: She wouldn't take it. So we're gonna have to give

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Speaker 2: it to them. They'll put it to kids use, all right.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for letting shout out these guys, and now

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Speaker 1: onto Howard Hughes in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, also huge thanks to our sponsor of the episode,

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Speaker 2: Cheese Cake Factory.

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Speaker 1: No, man, that'd be great. I don't see why they

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Speaker 1: don't sponsor Ben and Adam because almost everything they rate

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Speaker 1: pretty highly.

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea, get to it. Cheese Cake Factory, agreed.

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Speaker 2: You know who I would have guessed could probably make

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Speaker 2: that happen, but it turns out it was a toss

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Speaker 2: up whether they'd be able to or not. Howard Hughes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've commissioned this one, and I'm really glad you did,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know if you've seen the movie The

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Speaker 1: Aviator from Martin Scorsees.

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Speaker 3: About me.

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Speaker 2: I have not known.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's you know, it's a great movie. Obviously

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Speaker 1: it's scarsezy. But they cover a bit of Howard Hughes's

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Speaker 1: stint in Vegas, probably about ten or fifteen minutes of

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Speaker 1: the movie there with with Leo obviously playing Howard Hughes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, naked is a j bird, naked is a jake.

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Speaker 3: You get to see Leo's but you know.

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Speaker 2: Well, he does a helicopter at one point, I hear,

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Speaker 2: oh god, no. The scene inside of Howard Hughes's real

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Speaker 2: life hotel room in Las Vegas was the opposite of

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Speaker 2: was not at all celebratory or funny or childish or juvenile.

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Speaker 2: It was a dark, dark place and basically every sense

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, we should probably do a little bit

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Speaker 1: of background on Hughes himself. He was born in Houston.

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Speaker 1: He's a Houston guy in nineteen oh five, and he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was really interested in two things. He

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Speaker 2: and he did both. He founded Hughes Aircraft Company, and

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Speaker 2: he started building airplanes, and he very quickly became one

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Speaker 2: of the most famous people in the United States, if

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Speaker 2: not the world, because he was dashing, He had a

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Speaker 2: knew how to attract like Starlit's in Hollywood. He went

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: He very famously dated both Catherine Hepburn and Ava Gardner.

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Speaker 1: He was his own test pilot and you know which

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Speaker 1: meant at some point he crashed and he was very

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Speaker 1: badly injured and lived a lot of his life in

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Speaker 1: chronic pain due to a lot of things, but for

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Speaker 1: sure the second third degree burns that were over most

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Speaker 1: of his body. And like you said, America loved him.

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Speaker 1: He was sort of a national hero.

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Speaker 3: But he was in.

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Speaker 1: Pretty bad shape, partially because of the plane crash, for sure,

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Speaker 2: Did you ever see Dope Sick?

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Speaker 3: Did I see Dope Sick?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I never saw that.

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Speaker 2: That's the one with Michael Keaton.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I never saw that.

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Speaker 2: Hurd scre so good, Chuck, go back and watch it

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Speaker 2: is so good. Yeah, But that seems to be like generally,

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Speaker 2: how opioid addictions outside of adolescence develop, Like somebody injures himself.

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Speaker 2: They're like, here, take these for the pain, and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're like, I'm going to keep

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Speaker 2: taking these. Yeah, And that's exactly what happened to him

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Speaker 2: that's the last time the public saw Howard Hughes. And

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Speaker 2: mental illnesses from the outset, as we'll see, and they

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Speaker 2: were exacerbated by the fact that he was gobsmackingly rich,

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Speaker 2: all of the risk factors that could make somebody just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. You know, the germophobia is something we're

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Speaker 1: the kind of germophobia where he was worried about cleaning

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Speaker 1: himself because as we will see, when he was in Vegas,

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Speaker 1: we'll get through sort of the nitpicky details as we go,

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Speaker 1: But like you said, public eye drops out in sixty one,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you the person, like the tourists going out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was it was sin city back then,

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Speaker 2: For sure. A sheene of jell O so.

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Speaker 1: Hughes arrives in Vegas, like I hinted at earlier, he

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Speaker 1: was very secretly shuttled to the ninth floor, which is

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Speaker 2: The name of it again, the Desert Sands.

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Speaker 2: Basically he did like like I mean, he had the

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Speaker 2: whole ninth floor to himself, right, Yeah, and again, he

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Speaker 2: hadn't been seen in public in five years. He was

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Speaker 2: he was declining terribly, And this is where it seems

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Speaker 2: Howard Hughes and you know about his mental illness, this

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Speaker 2: is where all of the legends, some of which seemed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he you know, blacked out the windows with curtains,

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's a legend that the housekeepers when they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't allow housekeeping in I think one time

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Speaker 2: Really, I didn't know that that existed. Okay, well, that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just want a caveat that by saying

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Speaker 2: That's a deep cut though. Man, if you're making deep

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Speaker 3: I think we set the stage pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Of what's going on there on the ninth floor of

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Speaker 2: That was confirmed. Yeah, that's not like a legend. That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I saw he worked for him for fifteen years, even potentially,

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Speaker 2: Probably not. Although you know, no, that's.

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Speaker 1: Why they hired him, you know, he wan he liked

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Speaker 2: Yes, and like these were the people who interacted with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. You know, I mentioned that he could. He

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Speaker 1: What movie do you think you've seen the most?

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Speaker 2: All good ones to watch over and over again. I

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Speaker 3: Did you find a good example?

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Speaker 2: I did. I don't know if you saw this or not,

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Speaker 1: I don't even remember that wreck.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well go watch it. It's on Prime and this

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Speaker 2: And it is just a lovely little movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely worth watching. And if like his character,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's always a good caveat Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good one, you do. Well, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: Lewis and win Ona.

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Speaker 2: Writer at the Age of Innocence.

439
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Speaker 3: The Age of Innocence?

440
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Speaker 1: That was it?

441
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Speaker 3: Okay, which is just okay? All right? So uh where

442
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Speaker 3: are we? All right?

443
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Speaker 1: We're outside of Howard Hughes's hotel at this point, because

444
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Speaker 1: I know.

445
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: I know, Oh god, what is it?

446
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: I know? Uh, it's probably tied. One is Gleaming the Cube,

447
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: oh wow? Or Days and Confused different summers in my life.

448
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: Every day I would get up and start my day

449
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: watching Gleaming the Cube, and then several years later I

450
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: would start my day watching Dazed and Confused. So those

451
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 2: two are probably the ones I've seen the most.

452
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: I have seen Dazed and Confused a lot as well,

453
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Speaker 1: and so I will recommend to you, boy, this is

454
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Speaker 1: going to go long the day.

455
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Speaker 3: That's okay.

456
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Speaker 2: Uh.

457
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Speaker 1: The Oral History of Dazed and Confused is a really

458
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Speaker 1: one of the better books that I read last year.

459
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Speaker 2: Oh okay.

460
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Speaker 1: It's called all right, all right, all right, the Oral

461
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: History of Richard link Clatter's Days and Confused by Melissa

462
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: Mayers from twenty twenty. And if you like Days and Confused,

463
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Speaker 1: you will love this book.

464
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Speaker 2: Do you have that book in front of you or

465
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Speaker 2: you just have all that memorized?

466
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Speaker 3: Well?

467
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: I looked it up real quick because I always like

468
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Speaker 1: to shout out the author. But next time I see you,

469
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: I'll love it to you. It's great, thanks, you can

470
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: just have it, all right? So where we were was

471
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Speaker 1: outside Howard Hughes hotel room because we need to talk

472
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Speaker 1: about a little bit about what's going on in Vegas

473
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Speaker 1: at the time. What's happening in that hotel is the

474
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Speaker 1: hotel management is getting pretty upset because, like I said,

475
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Speaker 1: he's supposed to be the week and a half, he

476
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: keeps staying. He keeps staying, he's paying for all this stuff.

477
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Speaker 1: But they're still like, hey, listen, man, you've taken the

478
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Speaker 1: entire floor of our hotel and we need this. At

479
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Speaker 1: one point, I think Jimmy Hoffa himself made a plight

480
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Speaker 1: quote unquote request that he'd be allowed to stay because

481
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Speaker 1: he's you know, he's got a lot of influence Howard

482
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Speaker 1: Hughes obviously. But management finally was like, listen, we're going

483
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: to physically throw you out of here. We need this

484
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Speaker 1: floor for New Year's Eve. And Mayhew, his right hand end,

485
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: said hey, listen, man, if you want a place to sleep,

486
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: you damn well better buy the hotel. So again he

487
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: is just like, fine, I'll buy the hotel, and he

488
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: bought it for thirteen point twenty five million, and was

489
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden in the hotel and casino business.

490
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we talked very briefly about this in

491
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Speaker 2: the History of Vegas episode. Yeah, but yeah, I'm glad

492
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: we're talking about this too, because just that alone is

493
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Speaker 2: worth an episode on Like that, you don't want to

494
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: get kicked out of a hotel, so you buy the hotel.

495
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: He actually did that kind of stuff. And yeah, bear

496
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Speaker 2: in mind, he didn't pick up a phone, he didn't

497
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Speaker 2: write a note. He said, go buy this hotel. That's

498
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: a fine idea. I don't want to move. I don't

499
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Speaker 2: want to get up by the hotel. That genuinely happened.

500
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then once he got into the hotel and

501
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: casino business, he was like, wait a minute, casino earnings

502
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: are taxed at a lower rate than these lousy stocks

503
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: I've got, And he said, so you know what, I'm

504
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: going to legitimately get involved in the casino and hotel

505
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: business and literally try and make it a legitimate thing.

506
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Speaker 1: Like he had a vision of Las Vegas to be

507
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Speaker 1: I think, he said, as respectable as the New York

508
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: Stock Exchange. He wanted to make it not a mob

509
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: town that only kind of the CD people would go

510
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: to gamble. So he's the first one to have that

511
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Speaker 1: real vision and in nineteen sixty seven started buying up

512
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Speaker 1: hotels and casinos.

513
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again like this was a time where the

514
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: FBI essentially had like they were camped out in these

515
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: hotels and casinos because they were conducting so many investigations

516
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, so this was a it was

517
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: a gamble, if you'll forgive the pun, unintentional for him

518
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Speaker 2: to buy this stuff, because he did start to buy

519
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Speaker 2: it in the eye of like changing the entire city,

520
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: and that was not a given. We know it worked

521
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: out in retrospect, but he didn't know that at the time,

522
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: so it was kind of risky him doing that. Plus

523
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: also he had to deal with the Mob. He ended

524
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Speaker 2: up buying six hotels from nineteen sixty six to nineteen

525
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: sixty eight, hotel casinos, i should say, and almost all

526
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: of them were from the Mob, if not all of them.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he bought the one he was in the desert in,

528
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: He bought the Sands, he bought Castaways, the Silver Slipper,

529
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Speaker 1: the Landmark, and the Frontier. And not only did he

530
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: have a vision for Vegas as sort of a legitimate

531
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Speaker 1: town where people in corporations could do business and like

532
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: possibly families might even come one day, but he wanted

533
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Speaker 1: it to be what he called an environmental city of

534
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Speaker 1: the future. He didn't want because again he was a germophobe.

535
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Speaker 1: So he had this vision of a smogless city with

536
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Speaker 1: an efficient government where it was like taxpayers didn't have

537
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: to get fleeced, and he like sort of as a utopia.

538
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Speaker 3: Almost.

539
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that city of the future. Some

540
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: of the stuff he wanted to do to Vegas and

541
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Speaker 2: Nevada to kind of create that city of the future.

542
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: Remember when I said that, I think that he could

543
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Speaker 2: have had a pretty good chance of getting the Cheesecake

544
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: Factory to sponsor Factory Seconds podcast with Adam and Ben.

545
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Speaker 2: There's also a toss up because he might have been

546
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Speaker 2: turned down. He had a lot of ideas that the

547
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: local county and city and state legislatures were like, hey,

548
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: that's a great idea. We'll get back to you on that.

549
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: Some of the ideas were just terrible as well. But

550
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: he was essentially trying to shape Vegas into his own image.

551
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, he had a sort of list of

552
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: things that he proposed but never really got done, and

553
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: like he had a ton of influence, Like he got

554
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: this casino without having to appear before the Gaming Commission

555
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: or anything like that to get licensed. Like that's how

556
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: much pool he had. Yeah, like you're not supposed to

557
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: be able to buy a casino that easily. And in fact,

558
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: that that would open the door for the Nevada Corporate

559
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Gaming Act, which made it easier for public companies to

560
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: get into the business because previously they had a requirement

561
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: that every stockholder had to submit background checks to be

562
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: involved in Las Vegas. So that went away and really

563
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: opened the door. So all this to say he had

564
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: a ton of pull and could really get things done,

565
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: but he has a laundry list of things he wanted

566
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Speaker 1: to get done that they all were just sort of like, yeah,

567
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: we'll look into that.

568
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was this great list in the Las Vegas

569
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: Review Journal that some of the stuff he was pushing for.

570
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: He wanted to keep dog racing illegal. I could not

571
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: find what his issue with dog racing was. He wanted

572
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: to repeal repeal the sales tax, gas tax, cigarette tax.

573
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: He wanted to keep Clark County School district segregated. So

574
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: now you're starting to be like, oh, he wanted to

575
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Speaker 2: prohibit the booking of talent from communist countries. It's kind

576
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Speaker 2: of I could see that being an nineteen sixties sentiment,

577
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: not just his. He wanted to outlaw rock festivals boo.

578
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: He wanted to And I could not find out why

579
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: for this one either, But he wanted to require Vegas

580
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: or Clark County to consult with him before they realigned

581
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Speaker 2: any streets. I don't I could not find out. Why

582
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: do you have a guess? H No, I think he'd

583
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Speaker 2: I don't know what was the last one.

584
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Speaker 1: The last one was he wanted to be exempted himself

585
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: from having ever to go to court or any board

586
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: for any reason at all, Like he wanted to ensure

587
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Speaker 1: that he could stay in that room. He also wanted

588
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Speaker 1: to get rid of the nuclear testing site nearby. They

589
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: did not do that. And he also wanted to, like

590
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Speaker 1: I said, he had a big problem with the water.

591
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: He thought the water was dirty. And once he found

592
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Speaker 1: out that Lake Mead fed water into a system where

593
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like it's very common today where

594
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: wastewater is treated and fed back into the system, he

595
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, you need to get rid

596
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: of that. And they were like, yeah, we're not going

597
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: to do that.

598
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: No, because there will not be anymore in Las Vegas

599
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: without that water supply.

600
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Speaker 1: So yeah, And by the way, if everyone is horrified

601
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: that I booed outline rock festivals and not keeping things segregated,

602
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: that's because there's a larger point to be made later

603
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: about Howard Hughes being very racist, which he had a

604
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: long reputation of being very racist against black Americans specifically.

605
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was something that my eyes were opened about.

606
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: Like I was never like I've got Howard Hughes T

607
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: shirts and I love him, He's my hero or anything

608
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: like that. But I had no idea that he was

609
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: kind of a bad person in a lot of ways.

610
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: Very sympathetic in the sense that he had one of

611
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: the worst documented cases of mental illness of any kind

612
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: of public figure of all time. So I sympathized with

613
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: him for that, but he also just the views he

614
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: held and some of the things he did were just terrible,

615
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: like really kind of added up to making him a

616
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: not great guy. Like, yeah, one other thing, his first

617
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: wife divorced him because he locked her in the house

618
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: for three weeks. Yeah, Like he was an abusive person

619
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Speaker 2: even and yes, he had horrible problems. A lot of

620
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: it was from his upbringing, but that still doesn't excuse

621
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff he did or.

622
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Speaker 1: Though for sure held in September of nineteen sixty eight,

623
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Speaker 1: here's another example he had. It was going to be

624
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: the first annual desert In Invitational tennis tournament, like a

625
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: very big, high profile tournament, and he tried to cancel

626
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: it because he found out that Arthur Ash, an African American,

627
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: was going to be competing, and he was worried about

628
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: his you know, black fans coming to his casino to watch.

629
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Speaker 1: So Mayhew was like, listen, man, we can't cancel this thing.

630
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: It'll be all right in a little bit of sweet victory.

631
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Speaker 1: Arthur Ash ended up winning the singles title at that tournament. Yeah,

632
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: that's just pretty awesome. And he but he was stopped

633
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: sort of right there as far as his casino empire goes.

634
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I think at the sixth that he bought because he

635
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: tried to buy another one and got the initial sort

636
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: of AOK. But then the FED stepped in and said,

637
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: you know what, you're on your way to getting monopoly

638
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: on Las Vegas gambling. So they filed an anti trust

639
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: lawsuit against him, and he was never able to get

640
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: that seventh casino, So he's kind of locked in with

641
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: the six right.

642
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: They said, go to jail, do not pass go, do

643
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: not collect two hundred dollars.

644
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: Should we take another break?

645
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll be right back after.

646
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Speaker 2: This, okay, Chuck. So Howard Hughes at the time when

647
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: he still hasn't left his hotel room, and he's changing

648
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: the face of Las Vegas. He's changing the city at

649
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: its core just by buying these things up and not

650
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: being a mobster. And so the local politicians are just like,

651
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: this guy is saving the city. He's giving it an

652
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: actual bright future just his involvement. The fact that America

653
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: is now starting to associate Las Vegas with this beloved figure,

654
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Howard Hughes, who they remembered him before he started to decline,

655
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: so that was everyone's image. They were just like, that

656
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: guy is just reclusive. Now. They had no idea what

657
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: was going on with Howard Hughes at the time. So

658
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: this very respected person was now associated with Las Vegas,

659
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 2: which was great. That actually attracted other respected businessmen who

660
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: decided to kind of follow in Hughes's footsteps or rival

661
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: him if you were looking at it from Howard Hughes perspective,

662
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: and the first first one was Korian. He was a

663
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: billionaire who built the International Hotel and I think nineteen

664
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: sixty eight, and Howard Hughes was not happy about that

665
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: at all.

666
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: No, he tried to stop it because it was going

667
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: to be the largest hotel not only in Vegas, but

668
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: the largest hotel in the world and the first big

669
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: sort of giant resort in Vegas. And Hughes was like,

670
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: I got to stop this thing. So he got kind

671
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: of consumed with halting its progress to no avail. So eventually,

672
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: when the International Hotel was like, all right, we got

673
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 1: a big grand opening night an event, Howard Hugh says, yeah,

674
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I've got one that's even better at

675
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: my hotel, this huge event that had not even you know,

676
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: he literally just kind of blurted that out, had no

677
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: plan for this event. Apparently spent like weeks and weeks

678
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: just like working on the guest list, Like he was

679
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: entirely consumed by this, and Mayhew had to kind of

680
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: kind of pull it up out of his rear end

681
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: to make any kind of event happen.

682
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really was, mister Burns, And I get the

683
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: impression of Mayhew is mister Smithers. Yeah, so, Yeah, what

684
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: it was was the grand opening of the Landmark Hotel

685
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: and Casino, which had been built just a couple of

686
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: years before, but I think they had stopped just short

687
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: of completing it, so he came in and bought it.

688
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: The reason he bought the Landmark is because it was

689
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: thirty one stories and Kirk Krekorian's International Hotel was going

690
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: to be thirty stories right off the bat. That attracted Hughes.

691
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: And then he had the grand opening the day before

692
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: Kirk Kirkory's just as petty as you can be. Kirkoryan

693
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: had the upper hand though, like this was a massive,

694
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: very nice, huge casino hotel and the Landmark was not built.

695
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: It was poorly built and designed as far as running

696
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: a profitable hotel or casino goes. It was just too

697
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: small for that to turn a profit.

698
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that couldn't figure out how they allowed him to

699
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: buy that when they had just stopped him from purchasing

700
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: the Seventh. But the only guess I have is that

701
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: this thing was in such bad shape they were like, well,

702
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: at least a Hughes bides that it'll not be a blight.

703
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: I think it's also possible he bought it right before

704
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: he went to go buy the Star Dust Oh okay,

705
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: because they were both in nineteen sixty eight, and the

706
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: FEDS objected sometime in nineteen sixty eight, so like the

707
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: second half of it. So it's possible that he bought

708
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: it before then.

709
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, So we should point out,

710
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, you said he wasn't mobbed up, but the

711
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: mob was still there. It's not like he moved in

712
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: and the mob moved out. They basically just had people

713
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: working on the inside at Hughes's casinos, and we're fleecing him.

714
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, everyone's always on the take and skimming from

715
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: the top that's or the bottom, and that's just how

716
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: it worked in Vegas, and that's what they did to him. Apparently,

717
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: in less than four years, the mob skimmed about fifty

718
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: million bucks off of Howard Hughes, and even as rich

719
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: as he was, that put him in pretty dangerous financial shape.

720
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, he don't worry about him. He was

721
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: still mega rich, but eventually he got to the point

722
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: where he was like, I'm sick of Vegas, and he

723
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: decamped in the middle of the night. I think four

724
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: years to the day. I think he showed up on

725
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Eve of nineteen sixty six and left Thanksgiving Eve

726
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy. I don't know why, but it's pretty

727
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: circular and complete. He left Vegas on a stretcher because

728
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: he was unable to walk around himself, certainly go down

729
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: a fire escape set of fire escape stairs, which they

730
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: allegedly took him out of under the cover of night.

731
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: They put him on a plane. They flew him to

732
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 2: the Bahamas, where he set up at the Xanadu Beach

733
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: Resort and basically did the same thing. Camped out there,

734
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: was outstaated as welcome, and bought that place next.

735
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

736
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely where Scorsese went off book and

737
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: made stuff up, because in the movie, at one point,

738
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: after all this time there you see the door open

739
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: up to his room and he kind of with a

740
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: shirt on and pants on, kind of walks out and

741
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh my God, like.

742
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: Howard Hester just slept his room or you know.

743
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: I think the woman in the scene is like, mister Hughes,

744
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: like no one had seen him, and he was like,

745
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't have shoes. I need shoes, and then he

746
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: leaves and goes and sees Ava Gardner and she helps

747
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: him with his like clearly OCD with like washing his

748
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: hands and stuff. But I don't know if that stuff

749
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: never happened, or if it was just artistic license or what.

750
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. I saw that he has known to

751
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: have left his room three times in the four years

752
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: he was there, and they were all for like business meetings,

753
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: and those are basically the times that he shaved and

754
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: washed and cut his hair and cut his fingernails and

755
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: like that was it. I don't know. Maybe one was

756
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 2: to go see Ava Gardner, but I mean we're talking

757
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: Hollywood here, you know.

758
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always just weird though when there's a buyap

759
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: that just strays so far. But it was toward the

760
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: end of the movie, So maybe Scorsese was like having

761
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: him go to the Bahamas and doing the same thing.

762
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: It's not a good ending, that's right.

763
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: We need to give him like a magical cricket and

764
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: his wishes to become a real boy.

765
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: Oh man, those are two pretty good scorsesees.

766
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: Who knew I didn't know. Did I just do a

767
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: good Scorsese? I was just doing Scorsese.

768
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think we I think we both did a

769
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: pretty good one. And that means, you know, you know,

770
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: one day when we stopped doing this show, maybe we

771
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: have a second act as a.

772
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: Co Scorsese on stage. Bit.

773
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good one.

774
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 3: Scorsese v. Scorsese starring Josh and Chuck.

775
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: That's right. We to talk about how good movies were.

776
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, everybody, all right, So where are we?

777
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I guess we should cover his his passing. He died

778
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: on April fifth, nineteen seventy six, on a plane flight

779
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: from Mexico to Houston, and he was seventy years old

780
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: at the time. They listed the cause of death as

781
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: kidney failure. After he died, Mayhew was let go and

782
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: his holding company remember that forty square miles. I talked

783
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: about where he was going to put Hughes Aviation That

784
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: is now Summerlin, a planned community just outside Vegas. Yeah.

785
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, like I think a lot of people

786
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, Howard Hughes got rid of the mob

787
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: in Vegas, and that's just not the case. Like he

788
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 2: had a huge effect on Vegas. The mob getting out

789
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: of Vegas was mostly the Justice Department, but his again,

790
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: his name attached to Vegas made it okay for Americans

791
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: to start coming and turn Vegas into an actual legitimate

792
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: tourist destination. And he it wasn't him specifically buying this casino,

793
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: as we say that because you know it, it essentially was,

794
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: but his corporation, sum a holding corporation was the one

795
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: actually buying them. So that opened the door to other

796
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: corporations buying casinos ripped like tearing him down building brand

797
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: new casinos that Ace Rothstein basically said. It was like

798
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: Disneyland at the end of casino and then it's like

799
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: checking into an airport. That all started thanks to Howard Hughes.

800
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. As far as like you know, the

801
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: post mortem on what he had going on in his

802
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: life and his autopsy, he weighed ninety three pounds at

803
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: the time of death and apparently had enough codine in

804
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: his system they said to stop five beating hearts. And

805
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: even though it was kidney failure, technically neglect is kind

806
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: of what the doctors talked about. He didn't have a will.

807
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: The very famous movie I know we've talked about before

808
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: in the show Melvin and Howard about supposedly Howard Hughes

809
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: played by Jason Robards I think Howard Hughes's middle name

810
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: was Robard. Yeah, it's a really good movie, a little

811
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: indie from the nineteen eighties. I think maybe seventies, but

812
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: I think eighties. But there were a lot of fake

813
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: wills that turned up after his death. But his two

814
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: point five billion dollar estate in nineteen seventy six dollars

815
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: was then sort of, I guess, sort of up for grabs.

816
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of people came forward like that belongs

817
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: to me, No, that belongs to me. I think eleven

818
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: or twelve people ended up splitting the whole estate. But

819
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: a group of them hired hired an attorney who hired

820
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: Raymond Fowler, who at the time was the head of

821
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 2: the American Psychological Association. Oh yeah, to conduct a psychological

822
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: autopsy they called it on Howard Hughes, to basically determine

823
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: his mental competence toward the end of his life. And

824
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: this gave the world again people were just like, wait,

825
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: he waited, how much? How long was his hair when

826
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: he died? What was going on when he died? Like

827
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: all that news started to come out. This gave the

828
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: world like an actual psychological profile, and you're not supposed

829
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: to you're not supposed to diagnose anybody, any patient that

830
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: you've not actually interviewed or taking care of yourself. But

831
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: Fowler basically did as good a job as you possibly

832
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: could in you know, creating a psychological sketch of somebody

833
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: just from the research he did.

834
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, tons of research like obviously interviewing staff and reading

835
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: newspaper documents, court depositions, personal letters that he wrote back

836
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: and forth with his mother, phone call logs, pilot logs,

837
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: and you know where we ended up was he most

838
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: certainly had OCD. I think everyone kind of agrees on that.

839
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: His germophobia they think may have stemmed from his childhood.

840
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: Apparently his mother was a germophobe and constantly worried about

841
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: little Howard getting sick from polio, and so she was

842
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: checking him every day for signs of polio. And they think, yeah,

843
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: probably stemmed from that childhood with his mom.

844
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: For sure. There's also, like, I mean, just the intense

845
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: losing he had of germs and the instructions that he

846
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: gave his staff for interacting with inanimate objects in his room,

847
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: like using tissues and stuff like that. Like that in

848
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: and of itself is like, yeah, he clearly had OCD,

849
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: but to be able to trace it back to you know,

850
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: his mother's influence, who seemed to have been a hypochondriac herself. Yeah. Yeah,

851
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: he was definitely set up from the outset to have

852
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: some serious troubles throughout his life, and they really became

853
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: full blown after he injured himself and adopted morphine and

854
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: stopped taking care of himself.

855
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know the aviator covered it in you know,

856
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: twelve minutes or so, but I think there's an entire

857
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: film of the Vegas years to Bete.

858
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: I was looking for a documentary on it, and I

859
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: could find basically nothing. I was really surprised.

860
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, the.

861
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: American experience would have done it or something, but no, nothing.

862
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: Huh so yeah, we just had to make all this stuff.

863
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Uh well, I wonder if one reason there's not a

864
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: documentary is just because there's so little. There's zero footage,

865
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: and I think that one photo, so.

866
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, true, true.

867
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: A lot of talking and ken burnstyle photos of like mobsters.

868
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: I guess you're right.

869
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 2: Just pan across the photo and everybody, you'll be cool

870
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could make a movie though, Yeah, they did.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do that Scorsese bit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there you go. You got anything else?

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Speaker 3: I got nothing else.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to know more about Howard Hughes

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, build a time machine and go pound

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Speaker 2: on his door until he lets you in. But bring

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Speaker 2: a bunch of Kleenex and it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 1: That's right. This is a bit of a myth busted

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Speaker 1: from our Ozzie friends. Although this Benjamin here is from Albuquerque,

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Speaker 1: but we did get other emails from Azzi's so apologies

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Speaker 1: for not reading one from the Native Land. But guys,

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Speaker 1: in the Kangaroo episode, Josh mentioned and I was on

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Speaker 1: board too, so you're not taking the ball for this,

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Speaker 1: okayot thanks that the origin of the word kangaroo have

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Speaker 1: come from a misunderstanding of an Aboriginal person, saying, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Think the origin for this myth might be

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Speaker 1: the film Arrival from twenty sixteen, in which Amy Adams

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Speaker 1: linguistics professor character tells the Kangaroo story to force Whitaker

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Speaker 1: in relation to the misunderstandings that may happen when communicating

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Speaker 1: with the aliens, and the next scene, Jeremy Rinner tells

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Speaker 1: her that he's surprised to hear the story, to which

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Speaker 1: she says it's not true, but it illustrates my point.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a learned linguist myself, so I can't provide

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Speaker 1: any more information about it, but it's certainly an interesting idea.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be surprised to hear that has possibly multiple

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Speaker 1: times happened, possibly multiple times throughout history. Also, I find

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Speaker 1: it interesting that you mentioned the film Enemy at the

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Speaker 1: end of the episode, because A Rival was also directed

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Speaker 1: by Dinny Billineux. It's a phenomenal film that I highly

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Speaker 1: recommend if you haven't seen it. Yeah, but you recommended

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Speaker 1: it and we've both seen it, so take that.

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Speaker 3: Benjamin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think he was talking about Arrival.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I saw a Rival too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seen that a couple of times. It's great.

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Speaker 1: Well, we didn't didn't get that from Arrival, but we

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Speaker 1: definitely got people that wrote in and said that was

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Speaker 1: a myth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I hope the origin said the kangaroo name right.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully Arrival got it from it's the fact that

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Speaker 2: it's a myth and the myth didn't arise from Arrival, right,

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Speaker 2: because that means that we got duped by Arrival, and

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Speaker 2: we like to think that we're better researchers than that.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to think so.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, so who was that again, Benjamin? Thanks

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Speaker 2: a lot, Benjamin, Sorry about that one, and thanks for

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Speaker 2: setting us straight. And to all of our Ozzie listeners

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Speaker 2: who set us straight, we appreciate it. And if you

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Speaker 2: want to get in touch with us, like all of

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Speaker 2: our Ozzie listeners did, you can send us an email

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