WEBVTT - Drive Time: 2023 NFL Draft Preview, Defensive Backs with Dante Collinelli 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.720 You're listening to the Miami Dolphins Podcast Network. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.280 This is Drive Time with Travis Wingfield. Back to throw 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.720 to a looking clips about. 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:15.880 A wide Dolphin touchdown, Tyriquel, uncrelievable. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:17.000 It's just blue. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.400 Fire for a second time. Don knew where he was 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:20.320 going right away. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.080 I want to hit that though. Man, I'm gonna help you. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.239 Someone will keep on his man away Wattle Wadle to 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.000 a shot gun, back to throw, looking at them up 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:30.480 myers touchdown. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.880 It's Waddle his sixth touchdown pass the team. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.000 Drive Time with Travis Wingfield begins. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.519 Now let me check your pulse if you're not for. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.159 What is up to? Dolphins? And welcome to the Drive Time. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.880 Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins podcast Network, covering your team, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.360 your Miami Dolphins. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:55.720 How's it going? Everybody? 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.800 I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.840 we finish up the aditional previews. Dante Colinelly joins me 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.839 to break down this year's defensive backs class and also 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.440 talk about how Jalen Ramsey, how Deshaun Elliott fit into 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.800 the new defense and how everybody xaviing Howard, Brandon Jones, 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.720 Javon holland the entire crew fits under new dc VIC 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.560 Fangio will also break down the entirety of who might 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.160 be available at each pick in this position group in 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.080 this upcoming draft. All of that and a heck of 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.600 a lot more from the Baptist Health Studios inside the 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.000 Baptist Health Training Complex. 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.360 This is the Draft Time Podcast. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:35.639 Heyye Jeff, please welcome me in joining my guests today 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.880 Dante colinelly and joining me now on the Draft Time 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.240 Podcast to break down our final position group here in 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.520 the twenty twenty three NFL Draft Preview is Dante Colinelli 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.640 And Dante, you're a Dolphins fan, You're a big draft guy. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.520 Had to get you on here today. Man, I think 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.720 this is our first time officially meeting and talking. But 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:55.120 how you doing, my friend? 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:56.240 I'm doing great. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.640 This is super exciting, really really happy to be able 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.320 to talk about the DV class. It's one of the 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.760 better groups I think in this draft class. Really nice 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.360 cornerback groups and interesting safety So this is exciting. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.080 It's it definitely is. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.320 And that's where you know a lot of my draft 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.840 coverage early on, especially back at the combine, talking to 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.920 all the heavy hitters that I was fortunate enough to interview. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.120 We talked a lot about that position group, and then 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.560 you add in a Jalen Ramsey and all of a sudden, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.760 it's like, okay, well, there goes a thousand snaps that 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.680 were potentially available that are no longer available to Sean 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.440 Elliott comes in and I think can probably fulfill you know, 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.280 a decent role that safety position in terms of a 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.120 group that plays you know, three safety's a lot in 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.960 this defense. So you've got, you know, I would say, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.240 several really good safeties, probably even more really good cornerbacks. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.120 But I still think that it's a position that you're 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.079 always looking to fill and round out. So I want 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:48.960 to get to that here with you eventually in this 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.520 year's class. But first, you know, go back to what 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.120 you allude to there, Jalen Ramsey in this Vic Fangio defense, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.240 how does Javon Holland and Brandon Jones take on what 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.600 this defense looks like? How do you think his current 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:05.000 secondary of Miami is built to execute what Vic Fangio 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:05.880 does on defense. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.840 I think it's built really well, and it's a testament 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.280 to Chris Greer and the guys for getting some new 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.880 players in the building and then also getting a guy 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.520 like vic Vangio with that pedigree. I think what stands 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.120 out when watching Vangio's defenses over the years is he 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.400 likes to be multiple right. Everyone says, oh, it's quarters, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.600 it's zone, and it is right, and that's the base. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.959 But Dangio is gonna throw a lot at you. He's 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.040 gonna move players post snap. He needs corners and safeties 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.480 who can man up right when he does want to 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.880 send one of his rare blitzes. Can Javon Holland come 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.160 into the slot, absolutely right, Javon Holland can play in 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:40.920 the back end. And then you have guys like Deshaun 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.520 Elliott and Brandon Jones, who can do a lot of 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.040 different things right, who can play in coverage, can play 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.440 in deeper stones. We know how good Brandon Jones is 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.280 getting after the quarterback as a blitzer coming downhill in 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.120 the run game. And you look at Jalen Ramsey arguably 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.560 maybe the best pure cover corner of the past eight 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.960 ish years or so, right, and even though he had 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.040 like a little bit of a downtack last year in 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.960 Los Angeles, it's still very clear that he's a very, 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.040 very good cornerback. And so when you get as many 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.440 guys as the Dolphins now have with guys already on 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.280 the roster like Javon Holland, like Xavier Howard, and then 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.000 you add you know, you get Brandon Jon's back from injury, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.240 you add Elliott, you add Ramsey. All of a sudden, 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.520 every option that Vic Bangeo wants to get to is open. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:24.960 You kind of allude to it there, and I wanted 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.160 to follow up about, you know, the addition of Ramsey 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.440 and what it means for for an Xavion Howard because 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.479 last year, you know, the Dolphins had so much attrition 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.359 at the cornerback position. Forgive the rhyme there, but uh, 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.920 you know, Xaviing Howard and kater Kohu were the two 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.479 guys that you were pretty much dependent upon for you know, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.520 playing every snap every game and when when you had available. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:50.200 But I'm curious how Jalen Ramsey can potentially impact their roles, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.839 and particularly Xavier Howard who had so much on his 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.080 plate last year. I mean, you go back to the 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.000 playoff game being asked to really handle Stefan Digs without 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.880 help one on one, you know, to the field some 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.200 times where it's kind of lost base to cover. How 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.320 does Ramsey make xaviing Howard better, do you think? 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.240 Yeah, it's a really good question, I think, and you 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.440 kind of alluded to a larger point that I think 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.640 is going to help Howard. Is the scheme change right? 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.280 And you know, for better for worse. Miami's previous defense 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.400 was one on one coverage. Everyone gets a man and 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.359 you get no help unless Javon Hollwind runs halfway across 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.880 the field to help you over the top, which. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:25.520 He can't do, right. 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.599 And so that's the benefit of having that player, and 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.120 you can run that defense, and the Dolphins won plenty 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.520 of games with that defense, right. But at the same time, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.120 it's a lot of pressure on your cornerbacks and you know, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.920 Xavier was battling different things last year and it's tough 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.799 to just be constantly, always by yourself on that island. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.560 And so the scheme change is going to help one too. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.240 And then to answer your question more specifically with Ramsey, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:51.000 it just takes generally some pressure off, like there's just 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.800 another guy back there but you can trust. And that's 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.520 not a knock on Nick Needum or Cater Kohu or 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.080 any of the other cornerbacks that have been on there, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.640 but I mean, look, the reality situation is, and Ramsey's 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.760 just simply a step up of those guys. He's probably 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.560 gonna be a Hall of Fame type corner, right, So, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.360 like it just it helps mentally, I think it'll help 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.159 howerd it just being like, hey, like I know, I 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.799 have a dog on the other side of me who's 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.920 just really, really a good player. And so it goes 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.000 back to the scheme thing, right, and Howard now will 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.320 not be asked to just stand on an island and 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.960 cover Stefon Diggs with you know, all this space to 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.480 the field, right, and they can kind of swop it out. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.159 You know, maybe you throw different looks at receivers. You 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.200 can give Howard a break. You know, he covers Stefon 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.279 Diggs to start the game, and then you throw Jalen 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.039 Ramsey at him, and then you know, you put digs 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.279 on somebody like Gabe Dave's different things like that. So 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.560 just having another talented player I think is going to 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.440 help Howard. And I don't know that the Dolphins cornerback 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.680 room is going to be really really interesting guys coming 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:52.280 back from injury, but like Ramsey and Howard arguably maybe 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:53.640 you know, when they're at the top of their game. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.040 Best cornerback duo in the league, just on paper. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.560 And yeah, I mean that's that's pretty much how this 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.680 ross looks right now because not to mention, you know, 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:04.960 what they've done to the past rush in terms of 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.400 adding Chubb last year, Phillips's development in year number two 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.960 Christian Wilkins is an absolute menus up front, Zach. I mean, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.440 the names just keep on coming and coming. Malik Reed 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.760 was a great acquisition in my opinion, Manual Ogbas back 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.680 from injury, and so you get all those guys that 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.080 can win pass rush reps without having to blitz as 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:21.760 much as maybe you have in the past, and I 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.960 think that that really benefits guys like that. Plus I'm 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.920 also curious and this is kind of, you know, going 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.920 more into your NFL expertise in general, Like last year 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.320 we saw Patrick Pearson have one of his best years 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.920 in a while as a veteran because there was more 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.680 of a transition to at Dantel defense, which is what 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.000 you know he learned under Vic Fangil, a lot more 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.480 zone turn, a lot more eyes in the quarterback. When 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.360 I look at X and Jalen and maybe you can 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.960 confirm us For me, I think to myself, like, those 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.800 are two guys that have the eyes and instincts and 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.080 trigger to really benefit from playing a little more zone 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.960 turn a little more off like you mentioned. I'm just 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.440 curious if you agree with that and how you see 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.080 that working out for those guys in this in the 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.000 scenario that it is a primary zone defense. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:00.960 Yeah. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.560 I think it's going to be really interesting with Howard, right, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.920 because I think Howard is kind of viewed as this 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.600 like pure man coverage corner. But when you watch Howard 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.960 play man coverage, I mean, what is he doing. He's 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.720 hanging off watching the quarterback, baiting them into bad throws 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.480 and then making ridiculous recovery interceptions, right, Like that's his game. 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.400 And so I think that this will benefit him, and 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.680 I think to a larger point, you know, Howard's getting, 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.760 you know, towards that cornerback threshold of age, right, and 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.200 so what do we see with older corners, Well, they 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:35.240 kind of make that transition to these smarter, savvier zone 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.760 players to extend their career and they and like you mentioned, 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.240 Patrick Peterson can still be incredibly productive late in his career. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.920 Richard Sherman was kind of always a zone ish corner, 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.480 but even towards the end of his career as he 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.600 transitioned to play in places like San Francisco, he had 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.040 some good seasons in a similar ish scheme. Again, they 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.320 like to do a little bit more cover through there, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.400 but not really the point, right, it's primary zone. How 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.160 I think Howard will be fine. Right, I think people 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:01.080 have kind of over overestimated how reliant he is on 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.920 man coverage, and I think actually it'll it'll benefit him 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.360 into the twilight of his career at It'll be less 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:07.560 wear and tear on his body. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:08.040 Ideally. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.880 When you talk about that, I always make references to 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.959 other sports, and primarily baseball. All I can think about 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.640 is like Greg Maddox and Jamie Moyer, who went from 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.040 you know, they never had the big time fastball, but 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.160 getting guys out consistently with eighty eight miles an hour 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.520 and just working the corners man, That's that's kind of 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.520 how I view that with those players, and you know, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.760 Peterson's a great example of that. And if it works 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.880 out that way for X and for Jalen too, on 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.400 top of what they already give you in that man coverage. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.480 It keeps you flexible keeps you versatile. So that's really 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:36.160 cool to see. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.320 And you know, on the topic of being a flexible 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.480 and versatile last question before we get to the draft 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.920 class here and take our first break. You know Javon 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.560 Holland and Brandon Jones, Like I I've always kind of 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.280 thought Buffalo had the ideal safety tandem with Micah Hyde 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.880 and Jordan Poyer, mainly well, on top of the fact 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.280 they're both great players, but mainly because their football acumen 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.679 and also their position really being almost positionless players allow 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.520 buff Low to flip the defense at any given time, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.200 right or just make a change at the snap which 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.800 confuses the quarterback. Do you kind of see Miami having 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.680 something similar here with Javon Holland and Brandon Jones in 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.319 this mc fangio defense. 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:13.800 I do, I really do. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.199 I think more specifically, like Javon Holland is just an 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.720 outrageously good football player, like he is, just you line 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.240 him up anywhere, I'd be comfortable with him slot, you know, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.800 small guys, tight ends. You want to put him deep 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.840 in cover too, you want to put him in single high, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.199 you want to blitz them. I think you could send 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.760 him off the edge, and I wouldn't be surprised to 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.600 see him hit a pass rush move on a tackle 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.440 like he is just he's an all world football talent. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.559 So when you have that guy who can play all 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.160 over the place complimented by a player like Brandon Jones, 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.200 who I think, you know, we could probably both agree 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.680 probably best closer to the line of scrimmage, not to 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.520 say that he can't cover or that he's bad in 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.600 zone coverage, but I think where you get the most 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.920 out of Brandon Jones, it's running downhill, impacting in the 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.360 run game, going after the quarterback as a blitzer, Like 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.360 he's really dynamic in those scenarios, and he can really 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.640 you know, force interceptions on pressures and force fumbles and 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.120 get TFLs and different things like that. So when you 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.920 have a player like Javon Holland who's incredibly versatile on 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.360 the back end, but also good coming to the line 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.200 of scrimmage, playing man coverage if you have to, and 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.240 then Brandon Jones, who maybe a little bit more of 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.280 the opposite. Rady's better close for linon of scrimmage, but 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.920 you feel comfortable putting him back there, Like he's fast, 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.640 he's he's instinctual he's gonna hit guys, you know, like, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.200 you don't want to see Brandon Jones, you know, dropping 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.280 into as a robber in the middle of the field 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:29.840 if you're coming in on a dig route or something 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.439 like that. That's the last person I'd want to see 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.040 on Miami's defense in the middle of the field. So 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.160 I really think that they have that opportunity to flip 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.000 the defense the way Vangeo wants because of those safeties. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.880 Yeah, one of the traits that made me attracted that 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.400 Brandon Jones as a collegiate was him playing that star 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.959 slot role at Texas and they had that great game 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.719 against Joe Burrow and yeah, LSU went up and down 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.839 the field in that game, but there were so many 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.520 reps in that game where Brandon Jones was playing the 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.679 slot one on one against some very good receivers at 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.440 Jamar Chase of times and holding his own in that regard. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:02.080 So he can do it. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.160 But like to your point, to me, it's taking away 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.440 from what he does if you don't have him going 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.040 towards the lion of scrimmage frequently because the way he 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.800 times those blitz sometimes those rounds, man is he is 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.199 one of the very best in the game. It's why 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.839 his sack production is really tops among safeties in the 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.680 national football the last couple of years. You know, on 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.440 a personal basis, getting injured last year, that sucked. But 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.920 he's back this year and looking good, So looking forward 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:25.640 to getting him back in the fold. Let's go ahead 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.400 and take our first break right there, talking about the 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.040 current Dolphins. Next, we're gonna look at this year's draft class. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.280 Will the Dolphins go in this direction come April twenty 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.720 seventh or I guess twenty eighth those two Day two 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:36.680 picks at. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.199 The defensive back position. We'll talk to Dante Colinelli about that. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.080 Next Draft Time podcast, your host, Travis Wingfield, brought to 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:47.920 you by Auto Nation. Segment number two is where we 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.680 kick off the draft discussion. Here our final positional preview. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.120 Dante Deek Colinellie joins me here talking about defensive backs, 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.199 and I went ahead and combined cornerback in safety this 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.960 year because of what we talked about in the previous segment. 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.600 Looks pretty dang good on paper. You mentioned, you know, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.400 Nick Needham coming back and just the role that he 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.440 is fulfilled in this defense for years, which is basically, hey, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.600 whatever we don't have nick. We're gonna put you out 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.920 there and go do it. So he provides great depth 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:15.720 that way, on top of what you already have at 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.280 the top of the roster in the safety position. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.000 Similar that way. I'm a big Deshaun Elliott fan. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.920 I think his tape is really good both in Detroit 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.120 and Baltimore. But still like you can never have enough 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.680 defensive backs. We've seen this be a position that the 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.240 Dolphins have targeted heavily in the draft in recent years 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.520 in a free agency as well. But I'm curious, before 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.760 we get to pick fifty one for the Dolphins, will 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.760 see their logo on draft night for the first time 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.920 up on the TV. How many defensive backs do you 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.040 think will be gone by pick fifty one. I know 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.600 corner probably has a lot more than safety, but I'm 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.040 curious which guys you are convinced corner and safety are 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:49.199 gone by pick fifty one. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.040 Oh, that's a really good one. Just to put some 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.839 context around this, I've watched sixteen corners so far this year. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.199 I have fifteen guys grated on the first two days 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.960 of the draft. Corner, we're not even talking about safety. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.880 I think safety honestly there's a chance only one guy 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.880 comes off the board before fifty one. I don't feel 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.240 like this is a particularly strong safety class. It's a 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.040 deep class. I think you have Brian Branch at the 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.400 top is probably a guy I think you should go 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.280 in the first round. If I was gonna do a 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.959 big board this year, he'd be a top ten player 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.800 for me in the class because why consider positional value there? 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.960 He's just really, really good, can play slot corner. Now 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.400 flipping over to corner. I think four guys are going 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.560 to go in the first round. At minimum, that'll be 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:32.080 Christian Zales, to Vond Witherspoon, Joey Porter, Junior Deontay Banks. 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:36.000 I think those four guys are gonna go, probably the 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.560 Ravens pick what twenty two or twenty one. I think 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.560 they all four of them might be off the board 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.280 at that point, so that would be a minimum. And 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.160 then you start to get into guys like DJ Turner 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:52.000 from Michigan, Clark Phillips from Utah, Williams from Syracuse. So 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.400 there's a lot of guys who could go before pick fifty. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.120 I think you have five if you're asking me about safety. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.840 So Brian Brand and the four corners that I mentioned will 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.600 definitely be gone. I think those guys should go in 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.200 the first round. After that, it gets tough because teams 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.360 will have to decide do I want to dip into 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.520 a strength of this draft or do I want to 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.600 wait because it is a strong class and I feel 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.280 like I can get those guys further down the board. 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.160 So we'll see. I think those five though at the top, 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:18.520 are definitely going to be gone. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:19.720 Yeah. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.200 I've been having that discussion almost all draft season long 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.080 about several positions and this is one of them. And 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.920 again going back to the combine before the Jaylen Ramsey trade. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.680 You know, I was, you know, not the name drop here, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.760 but like Daniel Jeremiah was asking him, do you think 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.400 the cornerback position, the tight end position because it's so loaded, 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.480 the running back position? Really some areas that were highlighted 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.440 going into the offseason as big areas of need for 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.920 the Miami Dolphins. Are these groups going to get suppressed 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.920 because of the total talent pool that the group has, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.080 you know in general, and you mentioned it right there, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.680 like I wrote in my notes, you mentioned you have 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.440 fifteen of your sixteen corners you've watched as Day one 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.560 or two grades, and then you only gave me four 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.280 names for the first round, which not a math major Dante. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.400 But that tells me, Yeah, eleven players you expect to 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.760 go in that second day? Yeah, only which of those 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.200 guys you think are our prime position to be options 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.400 at fifty one, regardless of the fact that they do 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.360 have again Jalen x cater Needham, like so many guys 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.720 that can play ball. Yeah, because I look at some 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.600 guys in this class, like Julius Brents is a guy 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:16.840 that I. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:17.920 Think is a damn good player. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.680 Like, who do you think is a good fit there 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.160 at fifty one for Dolphins wanted to go corner or safety. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.360 Two guys that popped out to me when I was 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.480 watching film there. Both at corner one is Garrett Williams 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.640 from Syracuse, who I kind of mentioned is in that 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.760 next crop. I just think, scheme fit wise, you're getting 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.360 a like I watched him and I went, oh, that's 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:39.040 a big Vangio corner right this bigger, longer, good tackler, zone, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.760 primary coverage guy, really really good ball skills, had a 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.960 lot of ball production at Syracuse. I like a lot 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.480 of what he brings the table, specifically for Miami. He's 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.200 an outside only guy that I don't think you're going 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.600 to want to put him on the inside and then 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.800 the other player. And you know, Travis, here's here's my 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.760 draft philosophy. My draft pilosophy is just draft good football players, right, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.920 and that sounds really easy, But the court sometimes like 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.679 teams overthinking Clark Phillips is smaller, teams are gonna you know, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.640 poke holes. He's not the fastest guy in the world. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.960 He's not the biggest guy in the world. He's a 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.399 junkyard dog on film. He got better every year at Utah. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.320 Really really good ball production, good in man coverage, good 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.320 in zone coverage, really really smart football player. Does he 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:19.720 have the highest ceiling in the world. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:20.280 Maybe not. 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.200 But when you're outside the top fifty, like the Dolphins 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.199 are at pick fifty one, sometimes it's just easy to 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.719 take guys with really low floors at premium positions and like, 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.840 figure it out. Phillips can play inside, Phillips can play outside. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.439 He gives you another really good coverage option. So those 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:36.840