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Speaker 4: we finish up the aditional previews. Dante Colinelly joins me
Speaker 4: to break down this year's defensive backs class and also
Speaker 4: talk about how Jalen Ramsey, how Deshaun Elliott fit into
Speaker 4: the new defense and how everybody xaviing Howard, Brandon Jones,
Speaker 4: Javon holland the entire crew fits under new dc VIC
Speaker 4: Fangio will also break down the entirety of who might
Speaker 4: be available at each pick in this position group in
Speaker 4: this upcoming draft. All of that and a heck of
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Speaker 4: Heyye Jeff, please welcome me in joining my guests today
Speaker 4: Dante colinelly and joining me now on the Draft Time
Speaker 4: Podcast to break down our final position group here in
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty three NFL Draft Preview is Dante Colinelli
Speaker 4: And Dante, you're a Dolphins fan, You're a big draft guy.
Speaker 4: Had to get you on here today. Man, I think
Speaker 4: this is our first time officially meeting and talking. But
Speaker 4: how you doing, my friend?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: This is super exciting, really really happy to be able
Speaker 1: to talk about the DV class. It's one of the
Speaker 1: better groups I think in this draft class. Really nice
Speaker 1: cornerback groups and interesting safety So this is exciting.
Speaker 2: It's it definitely is.
Speaker 4: And that's where you know a lot of my draft
Speaker 4: coverage early on, especially back at the combine, talking to
Speaker 4: all the heavy hitters that I was fortunate enough to interview.
Speaker 4: We talked a lot about that position group, and then
Speaker 4: you add in a Jalen Ramsey and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, well, there goes a thousand snaps that
Speaker 4: were potentially available that are no longer available to Sean
Speaker 4: Elliott comes in and I think can probably fulfill you know,
Speaker 4: a decent role that safety position in terms of a
Speaker 4: group that plays you know, three safety's a lot in
Speaker 4: this defense. So you've got, you know, I would say,
Speaker 4: several really good safeties, probably even more really good cornerbacks.
Speaker 4: But I still think that it's a position that you're
Speaker 4: always looking to fill and round out. So I want
Speaker 4: to get to that here with you eventually in this
Speaker 4: year's class. But first, you know, go back to what
Speaker 4: you allude to there, Jalen Ramsey in this Vic Fangio defense,
Speaker 4: how does Javon Holland and Brandon Jones take on what
Speaker 4: this defense looks like? How do you think his current
Speaker 4: secondary of Miami is built to execute what Vic Fangio
Speaker 4: does on defense.
Speaker 1: I think it's built really well, and it's a testament
Speaker 1: to Chris Greer and the guys for getting some new
Speaker 1: players in the building and then also getting a guy
Speaker 1: like vic Vangio with that pedigree. I think what stands
Speaker 1: out when watching Vangio's defenses over the years is he
Speaker 1: likes to be multiple right. Everyone says, oh, it's quarters,
Speaker 1: it's zone, and it is right, and that's the base.
Speaker 1: But Dangio is gonna throw a lot at you. He's
Speaker 1: gonna move players post snap. He needs corners and safeties
Speaker 1: who can man up right when he does want to
Speaker 1: send one of his rare blitzes. Can Javon Holland come
Speaker 1: into the slot, absolutely right, Javon Holland can play in
Speaker 1: the back end. And then you have guys like Deshaun
Speaker 1: Elliott and Brandon Jones, who can do a lot of
Speaker 1: different things right, who can play in coverage, can play
Speaker 1: in deeper stones. We know how good Brandon Jones is
Speaker 1: getting after the quarterback as a blitzer coming downhill in
Speaker 1: the run game. And you look at Jalen Ramsey arguably
Speaker 1: maybe the best pure cover corner of the past eight
Speaker 1: ish years or so, right, and even though he had
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a downtack last year in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, it's still very clear that he's a very,
Speaker 1: very good cornerback. And so when you get as many
Speaker 1: guys as the Dolphins now have with guys already on
Speaker 1: the roster like Javon Holland, like Xavier Howard, and then
Speaker 1: you add you know, you get Brandon Jon's back from injury,
Speaker 1: you add Elliott, you add Ramsey. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: every option that Vic Bangeo wants to get to is open.
Speaker 4: You kind of allude to it there, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to follow up about, you know, the addition of Ramsey
Speaker 4: and what it means for for an Xavion Howard because
Speaker 4: last year, you know, the Dolphins had so much attrition
Speaker 4: at the cornerback position. Forgive the rhyme there, but uh,
Speaker 4: you know, Xaviing Howard and kater Kohu were the two
Speaker 4: guys that you were pretty much dependent upon for you know,
Speaker 4: playing every snap every game and when when you had available.
Speaker 4: But I'm curious how Jalen Ramsey can potentially impact their roles,
Speaker 4: and particularly Xavier Howard who had so much on his
Speaker 4: plate last year. I mean, you go back to the
Speaker 4: playoff game being asked to really handle Stefan Digs without
Speaker 4: help one on one, you know, to the field some
Speaker 4: times where it's kind of lost base to cover. How
Speaker 4: does Ramsey make xaviing Howard better, do you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really good question, I think, and you
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to a larger point that I think
Speaker 1: is going to help Howard. Is the scheme change right?
Speaker 1: And you know, for better for worse. Miami's previous defense
Speaker 1: was one on one coverage. Everyone gets a man and
Speaker 1: you get no help unless Javon Hollwind runs halfway across
Speaker 1: the field to help you over the top, which.
Speaker 3: He can't do, right.
Speaker 1: And so that's the benefit of having that player, and
Speaker 1: you can run that defense, and the Dolphins won plenty
Speaker 1: of games with that defense, right. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of pressure on your cornerbacks and you know,
Speaker 1: Xavier was battling different things last year and it's tough
Speaker 1: to just be constantly, always by yourself on that island.
Speaker 1: And so the scheme change is going to help one too.
Speaker 1: And then to answer your question more specifically with Ramsey,
Speaker 1: it just takes generally some pressure off, like there's just
Speaker 1: another guy back there but you can trust. And that's
Speaker 1: not a knock on Nick Needum or Cater Kohu or
Speaker 1: any of the other cornerbacks that have been on there,
Speaker 1: but I mean, look, the reality situation is, and Ramsey's
Speaker 1: just simply a step up of those guys. He's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be a Hall of Fame type corner, right, So,
Speaker 1: like it just it helps mentally, I think it'll help
Speaker 1: howerd it just being like, hey, like I know, I
Speaker 1: have a dog on the other side of me who's
Speaker 1: just really, really a good player. And so it goes
Speaker 1: back to the scheme thing, right, and Howard now will
Speaker 1: not be asked to just stand on an island and
Speaker 1: cover Stefon Diggs with you know, all this space to
Speaker 1: the field, right, and they can kind of swop it out.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you throw different looks at receivers. You
Speaker 1: can give Howard a break. You know, he covers Stefon
Speaker 1: Diggs to start the game, and then you throw Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey at him, and then you know, you put digs
Speaker 1: on somebody like Gabe Dave's different things like that. So
Speaker 1: just having another talented player I think is going to
Speaker 1: help Howard. And I don't know that the Dolphins cornerback
Speaker 1: room is going to be really really interesting guys coming
Speaker 1: back from injury, but like Ramsey and Howard arguably maybe
Speaker 1: you know, when they're at the top of their game.
Speaker 1: Best cornerback duo in the league, just on paper.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean that's that's pretty much how this
Speaker 4: ross looks right now because not to mention, you know,
Speaker 4: what they've done to the past rush in terms of
Speaker 4: adding Chubb last year, Phillips's development in year number two
Speaker 4: Christian Wilkins is an absolute menus up front, Zach. I mean,
Speaker 4: the names just keep on coming and coming. Malik Reed
Speaker 4: was a great acquisition in my opinion, Manual Ogbas back
Speaker 4: from injury, and so you get all those guys that
Speaker 4: can win pass rush reps without having to blitz as
Speaker 4: much as maybe you have in the past, and I
Speaker 4: think that that really benefits guys like that. Plus I'm
Speaker 4: also curious and this is kind of, you know, going
Speaker 4: more into your NFL expertise in general, Like last year
Speaker 4: we saw Patrick Pearson have one of his best years
Speaker 4: in a while as a veteran because there was more
Speaker 4: of a transition to at Dantel defense, which is what
Speaker 4: you know he learned under Vic Fangil, a lot more
Speaker 4: zone turn, a lot more eyes in the quarterback. When
Speaker 4: I look at X and Jalen and maybe you can
Speaker 4: confirm us For me, I think to myself, like, those
Speaker 4: are two guys that have the eyes and instincts and
Speaker 4: trigger to really benefit from playing a little more zone
Speaker 4: turn a little more off like you mentioned. I'm just
Speaker 4: curious if you agree with that and how you see
Speaker 4: that working out for those guys in this in the
Speaker 4: scenario that it is a primary zone defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be really interesting with Howard, right,
Speaker 1: because I think Howard is kind of viewed as this
Speaker 1: like pure man coverage corner. But when you watch Howard
Speaker 1: play man coverage, I mean, what is he doing. He's
Speaker 1: hanging off watching the quarterback, baiting them into bad throws
Speaker 1: and then making ridiculous recovery interceptions, right, Like that's his game.
Speaker 1: And so I think that this will benefit him, and
Speaker 1: I think to a larger point, you know, Howard's getting,
Speaker 1: you know, towards that cornerback threshold of age, right, and
Speaker 1: so what do we see with older corners, Well, they
Speaker 1: kind of make that transition to these smarter, savvier zone
Speaker 1: players to extend their career and they and like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson can still be incredibly productive late in his career.
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman was kind of always a zone ish corner,
Speaker 1: but even towards the end of his career as he
Speaker 1: transitioned to play in places like San Francisco, he had
Speaker 1: some good seasons in a similar ish scheme. Again, they
Speaker 1: like to do a little bit more cover through there,
Speaker 1: but not really the point, right, it's primary zone. How
Speaker 1: I think Howard will be fine. Right, I think people
Speaker 1: have kind of over overestimated how reliant he is on
Speaker 1: man coverage, and I think actually it'll it'll benefit him
Speaker 1: into the twilight of his career at It'll be less
Speaker 1: wear and tear on his body.
Speaker 3: Ideally.
Speaker 4: When you talk about that, I always make references to
Speaker 4: other sports, and primarily baseball. All I can think about
Speaker 4: is like Greg Maddox and Jamie Moyer, who went from
Speaker 4: you know, they never had the big time fastball, but
Speaker 4: getting guys out consistently with eighty eight miles an hour
Speaker 4: and just working the corners man, That's that's kind of
Speaker 4: how I view that with those players, and you know,
Speaker 4: Peterson's a great example of that. And if it works
Speaker 4: out that way for X and for Jalen too, on
Speaker 4: top of what they already give you in that man coverage.
Speaker 2: It keeps you flexible keeps you versatile. So that's really
Speaker 2: cool to see.
Speaker 4: And you know, on the topic of being a flexible
Speaker 4: and versatile last question before we get to the draft
Speaker 4: class here and take our first break. You know Javon
Speaker 4: Holland and Brandon Jones, Like I I've always kind of
Speaker 4: thought Buffalo had the ideal safety tandem with Micah Hyde
Speaker 4: and Jordan Poyer, mainly well, on top of the fact
Speaker 4: they're both great players, but mainly because their football acumen
Speaker 4: and also their position really being almost positionless players allow
Speaker 4: buff Low to flip the defense at any given time,
Speaker 4: right or just make a change at the snap which
Speaker 4: confuses the quarterback. Do you kind of see Miami having
Speaker 4: something similar here with Javon Holland and Brandon Jones in
Speaker 4: this mc fangio defense.
Speaker 3: I do, I really do.
Speaker 1: I think more specifically, like Javon Holland is just an
Speaker 1: outrageously good football player, like he is, just you line
Speaker 1: him up anywhere, I'd be comfortable with him slot, you know,
Speaker 1: small guys, tight ends. You want to put him deep
Speaker 1: in cover too, you want to put him in single high,
Speaker 1: you want to blitz them. I think you could send
Speaker 1: him off the edge, and I wouldn't be surprised to
Speaker 1: see him hit a pass rush move on a tackle
Speaker 1: like he is just he's an all world football talent.
Speaker 1: So when you have that guy who can play all
Speaker 1: over the place complimented by a player like Brandon Jones,
Speaker 1: who I think, you know, we could probably both agree
Speaker 1: probably best closer to the line of scrimmage, not to
Speaker 1: say that he can't cover or that he's bad in
Speaker 1: zone coverage, but I think where you get the most
Speaker 1: out of Brandon Jones, it's running downhill, impacting in the
Speaker 1: run game, going after the quarterback as a blitzer, Like
Speaker 1: he's really dynamic in those scenarios, and he can really
Speaker 1: you know, force interceptions on pressures and force fumbles and
Speaker 1: get TFLs and different things like that. So when you
Speaker 1: have a player like Javon Holland who's incredibly versatile on
Speaker 1: the back end, but also good coming to the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, playing man coverage if you have to, and
Speaker 1: then Brandon Jones, who maybe a little bit more of
Speaker 1: the opposite. Rady's better close for linon of scrimmage, but
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable putting him back there, Like he's fast,
Speaker 1: he's he's instinctual he's gonna hit guys, you know, like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to see Brandon Jones, you know, dropping
Speaker 1: into as a robber in the middle of the field
Speaker 1: if you're coming in on a dig route or something
Speaker 1: like that. That's the last person I'd want to see
Speaker 1: on Miami's defense in the middle of the field. So
Speaker 1: I really think that they have that opportunity to flip
Speaker 1: the defense the way Vangeo wants because of those safeties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the traits that made me attracted that
Speaker 4: Brandon Jones as a collegiate was him playing that star
Speaker 4: slot role at Texas and they had that great game
Speaker 4: against Joe Burrow and yeah, LSU went up and down
Speaker 4: the field in that game, but there were so many
Speaker 4: reps in that game where Brandon Jones was playing the
Speaker 4: slot one on one against some very good receivers at
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase of times and holding his own in that regard.
Speaker 2: So he can do it.
Speaker 4: But like to your point, to me, it's taking away
Speaker 4: from what he does if you don't have him going
Speaker 4: towards the lion of scrimmage frequently because the way he
Speaker 4: times those blitz sometimes those rounds, man is he is
Speaker 4: one of the very best in the game. It's why
Speaker 4: his sack production is really tops among safeties in the
Speaker 4: national football the last couple of years. You know, on
Speaker 4: a personal basis, getting injured last year, that sucked. But
Speaker 4: he's back this year and looking good, So looking forward
Speaker 4: to getting him back in the fold. Let's go ahead
Speaker 4: and take our first break right there, talking about the
Speaker 4: current Dolphins. Next, we're gonna look at this year's draft class.
Speaker 4: Will the Dolphins go in this direction come April twenty
Speaker 4: seventh or I guess twenty eighth those two Day two
Speaker 4: picks at.
Speaker 2: The defensive back position. We'll talk to Dante Colinelli about that.
Speaker 4: Next Draft Time podcast, your host, Travis Wingfield, brought to
Speaker 4: you by Auto Nation. Segment number two is where we
Speaker 4: kick off the draft discussion. Here our final positional preview.
Speaker 4: Dante Deek Colinellie joins me here talking about defensive backs,
Speaker 4: and I went ahead and combined cornerback in safety this
Speaker 4: year because of what we talked about in the previous segment.
Speaker 4: Looks pretty dang good on paper. You mentioned, you know,
Speaker 4: Nick Needham coming back and just the role that he
Speaker 4: is fulfilled in this defense for years, which is basically, hey,
Speaker 4: whatever we don't have nick. We're gonna put you out
Speaker 4: there and go do it. So he provides great depth
Speaker 4: that way, on top of what you already have at
Speaker 4: the top of the roster in the safety position.
Speaker 2: Similar that way. I'm a big Deshaun Elliott fan.
Speaker 4: I think his tape is really good both in Detroit
Speaker 4: and Baltimore. But still like you can never have enough
Speaker 4: defensive backs. We've seen this be a position that the
Speaker 4: Dolphins have targeted heavily in the draft in recent years
Speaker 4: in a free agency as well. But I'm curious, before
Speaker 4: we get to pick fifty one for the Dolphins, will
Speaker 4: see their logo on draft night for the first time
Speaker 4: up on the TV. How many defensive backs do you
Speaker 4: think will be gone by pick fifty one. I know
Speaker 4: corner probably has a lot more than safety, but I'm
Speaker 4: curious which guys you are convinced corner and safety are
Speaker 4: gone by pick fifty one.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a really good one. Just to put some
Speaker 1: context around this, I've watched sixteen corners so far this year.
Speaker 1: I have fifteen guys grated on the first two days
Speaker 1: of the draft. Corner, we're not even talking about safety.
Speaker 1: I think safety honestly there's a chance only one guy
Speaker 1: comes off the board before fifty one. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like this is a particularly strong safety class. It's a
Speaker 1: deep class. I think you have Brian Branch at the
Speaker 1: top is probably a guy I think you should go
Speaker 1: in the first round. If I was gonna do a
Speaker 1: big board this year, he'd be a top ten player
Speaker 1: for me in the class because why consider positional value there?
Speaker 1: He's just really, really good, can play slot corner. Now
Speaker 1: flipping over to corner. I think four guys are going
Speaker 1: to go in the first round. At minimum, that'll be
Speaker 1: Christian Zales, to Vond Witherspoon, Joey Porter, Junior Deontay Banks.
Speaker 1: I think those four guys are gonna go, probably the
Speaker 1: Ravens pick what twenty two or twenty one. I think
Speaker 1: they all four of them might be off the board
Speaker 1: at that point, so that would be a minimum. And
Speaker 1: then you start to get into guys like DJ Turner
Speaker 1: from Michigan, Clark Phillips from Utah, Williams from Syracuse. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who could go before pick fifty.
Speaker 1: I think you have five if you're asking me about safety.
Speaker 1: So Brian Brand and the four corners that I mentioned will
Speaker 1: definitely be gone. I think those guys should go in
Speaker 1: the first round. After that, it gets tough because teams
Speaker 1: will have to decide do I want to dip into
Speaker 1: a strength of this draft or do I want to
Speaker 1: wait because it is a strong class and I feel
Speaker 1: like I can get those guys further down the board.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. I think those five though at the top,
Speaker 1: are definitely going to be gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've been having that discussion almost all draft season long
Speaker 4: about several positions and this is one of them. And
Speaker 4: again going back to the combine before the Jaylen Ramsey trade.
Speaker 4: You know, I was, you know, not the name drop here,
Speaker 4: but like Daniel Jeremiah was asking him, do you think
Speaker 4: the cornerback position, the tight end position because it's so loaded,
Speaker 4: the running back position? Really some areas that were highlighted
Speaker 4: going into the offseason as big areas of need for
Speaker 4: the Miami Dolphins. Are these groups going to get suppressed
Speaker 4: because of the total talent pool that the group has,
Speaker 4: you know in general, and you mentioned it right there,
Speaker 4: like I wrote in my notes, you mentioned you have
Speaker 4: fifteen of your sixteen corners you've watched as Day one
Speaker 4: or two grades, and then you only gave me four
Speaker 4: names for the first round, which not a math major Dante.
Speaker 4: But that tells me, Yeah, eleven players you expect to
Speaker 4: go in that second day? Yeah, only which of those
Speaker 4: guys you think are our prime position to be options
Speaker 4: at fifty one, regardless of the fact that they do
Speaker 4: have again Jalen x cater Needham, like so many guys
Speaker 4: that can play ball. Yeah, because I look at some
Speaker 4: guys in this class, like Julius Brents is a guy
Speaker 4: that I.
Speaker 2: Think is a damn good player.
Speaker 4: Like, who do you think is a good fit there
Speaker 4: at fifty one for Dolphins wanted to go corner or safety.
Speaker 1: Two guys that popped out to me when I was
Speaker 1: watching film there. Both at corner one is Garrett Williams
Speaker 1: from Syracuse, who I kind of mentioned is in that
Speaker 1: next crop. I just think, scheme fit wise, you're getting
Speaker 1: a like I watched him and I went, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a big Vangio corner right this bigger, longer, good tackler, zone,
Speaker 1: primary coverage guy, really really good ball skills, had a
Speaker 1: lot of ball production at Syracuse. I like a lot
Speaker 1: of what he brings the table, specifically for Miami. He's
Speaker 1: an outside only guy that I don't think you're going
Speaker 1: to want to put him on the inside and then
Speaker 1: the other player. And you know, Travis, here's here's my
Speaker 1: draft philosophy. My draft pilosophy is just draft good football players, right,
Speaker 1: and that sounds really easy, But the court sometimes like
Speaker 1: teams overthinking Clark Phillips is smaller, teams are gonna you know,
Speaker 1: poke holes. He's not the fastest guy in the world.
Speaker 1: He's not the biggest guy in the world. He's a
Speaker 1: junkyard dog on film. He got better every year at Utah.
Speaker 1: Really really good ball production, good in man coverage, good
Speaker 1: in zone coverage, really really smart football player. Does he
Speaker 1: have the highest ceiling in the world.
Speaker 3: Maybe not.
Speaker 1: But when you're outside the top fifty, like the Dolphins
Speaker 1: are at pick fifty one, sometimes it's just easy to
Speaker 1: take guys with really low floors at premium positions and like,
Speaker 1: figure it out. Phillips can play inside, Phillips can play outside.
Speaker 1: He gives you another really good coverage option. So those
Speaker 1: would be the two off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: But you know, Julius Brentz is another one who is
Speaker 1: right in that group, right like, I don't have him
Speaker 1: graded too far below somebody like Arret Williams. I mean,
Speaker 1: Brents is just gigantic, other worldly arm length at the
Speaker 1: cornerback position, and he just he sucks up zone holes
Speaker 1: like crazy. He just stretches out his arm and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's a PBu. It's like, wow, I
Speaker 1: don't even even see this guy in the screen before.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. His film is a ton of fun, so
Speaker 1: really really deep. Day two corner Class. I'm also very
Speaker 1: stingy on first round grades. I don't hand out first
Speaker 1: round grades like candy very much, so that's probably why
Speaker 1: there's eleven of them.
Speaker 3: But those would be three guys.
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head I think are solid
Speaker 1: scheme fits and also realistic options.
Speaker 2: I like a Stickler draft guru because you provide.
Speaker 4: When you do like a guy, it makes it almost
Speaker 4: It's like using the F word, right, it's more profound
Speaker 4: when you only use it every once in a while,
Speaker 4: which I could probably take a note from that book myself.
Speaker 4: But you mentioned two guys there that I want to
Speaker 4: kind of talk about a little more because you did
Speaker 4: cover him really well. But like Clark Phillips, the first
Speaker 4: thing you mentioned him is to me is Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 4: I love a Kyle Whittingham coach player.
Speaker 2: Like they just are.
Speaker 4: They do it the right way. They're always physical, like
Speaker 4: you mentioned. Junkyard Dog sounds like a utah ute to me.
Speaker 4: And then Julius Brentz allows me to use two of
Speaker 4: my favorite scouting cliches. One I came up with, but
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's been used before. Another one Emery Hunt
Speaker 4: from CBS Sports HQ gave me. He said that Julius
Speaker 4: Brents and I don't think he was talking about Brents,
Speaker 4: but he a guy like that can scratch his knees
Speaker 4: standing straight up. I love that that because his arms
Speaker 4: are so long. I mentioned it there, but go go
Speaker 4: gadget arms. When you talk about the the PBUs that
Speaker 4: he comes out of nowhere just reminds me of that.
Speaker 4: So those are guys that you think fit pretty well
Speaker 4: at the cornerback position.
Speaker 2: How about turning on to pick number eighty four. We
Speaker 2: got two picks on day two.
Speaker 4: There was three picks on day two before the Ramsey trade,
Speaker 4: so maybe you look at that like, Okay, the Dolphins
Speaker 4: assessed this as a position of need. They utilize one
Speaker 4: of those draft picks to fill that need, and what
Speaker 4: a great way to do it with the player of
Speaker 4: Ramsey's caliber. But like we said, you never know draft
Speaker 4: good football players. It sounds like you've heard the Draft
Speaker 4: Signed podcast a few times. We use that term quite
Speaker 4: a lot. My buddy Kyle Krabs at the Draft Network
Speaker 4: you used it a lot as well.
Speaker 2: But you never know.
Speaker 4: Man. This is a position group that, like you said,
Speaker 4: the depth could provide insane value. Who are some guys
Speaker 4: you think might be hanging around at pick eighty four
Speaker 4: that you might like to come back and swoop up,
Speaker 4: either a cornerback or safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, I would start with corner Two pac twelve
Speaker 1: guys come to mind. Kyle Blue Kelly from Stanford I
Speaker 1: think is a pretty good scheme fit. I have like
Speaker 1: a late second round, early third round great on him,
Speaker 1: so fringe eighty fourish guy, depending on how this cornerback
Speaker 1: class kind of goes. And then two guys from Oregon
Speaker 1: State Alex Austin and Rejohn Wright, right, I think is
Speaker 1: a better scheme fit for the Dolphins. He's more of
Speaker 1: your traditional zone corner. I really like Alex Austin though
Speaker 1: from Oregon state. I think he's a bit more versatile.
Speaker 1: I think he can give you a little bit more
Speaker 1: in man coverage. A better athlete than Right, But I
Speaker 1: think Right honestly is like a really solid depth zone corner.
Speaker 1: And I feel the same way about Kelly as well.
Speaker 1: I thought Kelly had a nice senior Bowl out of Stanford.
Speaker 1: So those are three corners that I would target. Safety's
Speaker 1: tough because it really it's hard to judge where these
Speaker 1: guys are gonna go. Antonio Johnson from Texas A and
Speaker 1: M is really interesting, high level recruit, really really good athlete.
Speaker 1: I don't know where this safety class is gonna fall,
Speaker 1: right Like, it wouldn't prive to me if Johnson's athleticism
Speaker 1: gets him taken in the top forty, where a team
Speaker 1: just goes, you know what, we're gonna bet on this
Speaker 1: guy ceiling and we're going to take him really high,
Speaker 1: or teams are going to watch the film and be like,
Speaker 1: this might be another two years before this guy's a starter.
Speaker 1: But that could benefit the Dolphins if he does fall
Speaker 1: to eighty four. And so you know, you look at
Speaker 1: the futures of Javon Holland, Brandon Jones and Elliott it
Speaker 1: gives you some flexibility, right, And so a player of
Speaker 1: Johnson's caliber, Again, you don't like to talk about special
Speaker 1: teams a lot of the time, but hey, really good
Speaker 1: athletes can play really good special teams. And so while
Speaker 1: he's developing as a future safety, and like you said,
Speaker 1: at the top team plays three safeties, so having safety
Speaker 1: depth is not the problem. So that would be a
Speaker 1: guy that I would target. And this corner class is
Speaker 1: incredibly deep. I could sit here and talk about it
Speaker 1: for hours.
Speaker 2: Well maybe we'll do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, you talk about special teams too, Like that's
Speaker 4: a great point, because you know, I thought last year,
Speaker 4: in addition to the attrition we talked about with the
Speaker 4: injuries of Dolphins dealt with really all year long. I mean,
Speaker 4: looking at the injury report Wednesday through Friday was just like,
Speaker 4: oh gosh, I mean, that's half the dang ross right there.
Speaker 2: It's half our starters on that list.
Speaker 4: But when you have that type of attrition, it doesn't
Speaker 4: just impact your offense and defense, it really gets into
Speaker 4: the special team because now you're pulling guys up and
Speaker 4: taking away there snaps on special teams. So having more
Speaker 4: guys that can do that is only going to benefit
Speaker 4: you in that third phase where games can be one
Speaker 4: and loss, so it's certainly valuable.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you mentioned that.
Speaker 4: I make a joke about in the podcast all the
Speaker 4: time that like, I should probably put more time into
Speaker 4: special teams scouting than I actually do. But it's just
Speaker 4: it's it's the unattractive of the three in terms of
Speaker 4: a fun highlights to watch and watching guys bust their
Speaker 4: butts and get down the field. You mentioned ragon Wright.
Speaker 4: Is he the same guy that was on Last Chance?
Speaker 4: To you?
Speaker 2: Do you happen to know?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, top my head, but Oregan state right, Yes,
Speaker 1: he might have been.
Speaker 3: It sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: I think he was on.
Speaker 4: The on the the Woman they changed schools that last year,
Speaker 4: the last year they did the football episode or the
Speaker 4: football show and turned into basketball.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he was part of that. Could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but a great show.
Speaker 3: Season five right here you go?
Speaker 4: Nice, I keep seeing that a I'm like, I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure it's the same guy from that show, And what
Speaker 4: a cool story that is. I always like tracking those
Speaker 4: guys that make their way to the National Football League
Speaker 4: from that show because it's all about that, right, Like
Speaker 4: Last chance you. It's in the title right there, so
Speaker 4: really cool to see him to turn that opportunity into
Speaker 4: a potential pro career here coming up in just a
Speaker 4: few days when the draft kicks off just next week.
Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take our last break right here
Speaker 4: and come back on the other side with Dante colinelly
Speaker 4: and wrap up this year's defensive backclass. The last propositional
Speaker 4: previews I ALWASO want to ask you about a former
Speaker 4: Temple Al. I'm pretty sure you worked in the Temple
Speaker 4: beat for a minute there, so we'll come back and
Speaker 4: talk about that here in just one second. That's next,
Speaker 4: Dante Colinelli, my guest, your host, Travis Wingfield. Draft Time
Speaker 4: podcast brought to you by Auto Nation. So Dante, I
Speaker 4: teased it in the end of the second segment before
Speaker 4: I ask you for your sleepers at the cornerback in
Speaker 4: safety position. Maybe you don't have those because you said
Speaker 4: he had so many high grades in these guys. I'm
Speaker 4: curious who might kick out to the third day, and
Speaker 4: we'll see if Miami moves off of picks and gets
Speaker 4: more picks early in day three, or if we do
Speaker 4: have to wait until round six for the first selection.
Speaker 2: But before I do that.
Speaker 4: We have a former Temple al in the building now
Speaker 4: and Chosen Anderson, formerly Robbie Anderson. Now, I know you
Speaker 4: didn't cover them during his playing career, but you do
Speaker 4: have some experience around the Temple al. So I have
Speaker 4: to ask you, what are the Dolphins getting Robbie Anderson, sorry,
Speaker 4: Chosen Anderson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're getting an interesting guy. Chosen's an interesting guys.
Speaker 1: He's an interesting personality. He's gonna be a fun ad
Speaker 1: I think to that, to that group of guys in
Speaker 1: that receiver room, I feel like that's got to be
Speaker 1: one of the more fun positional crews to kind of
Speaker 1: hang around with. And I think he'll add to that.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a he's a you know, a big
Speaker 1: time personality. I think on the field, what he was
Speaker 1: at Temple is what he still is now. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just he's fast man. He can run and like that.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins love speed. Anderson's gonna give you more of that.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I got to
Speaker 1: learn about him during my time at Temple was just
Speaker 1: the connection that he was able to form, you know,
Speaker 1: with that staff when Matt Ruhle was there and kind
Speaker 1: of how they they were able to get the most
Speaker 1: out of him and get him to a point where
Speaker 1: he got drafted and has had a fairly successful NFL
Speaker 1: career with some peaks and valleys.
Speaker 3: But on the field, you're getting a speedster.
Speaker 1: Off the field, you're getting a guy, another big personality
Speaker 1: to that room.
Speaker 2: To say the least, Yeah, to say the least is right.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned the speed.
Speaker 4: I mean, I keep thinking about that, and there's options
Speaker 4: in the draft, like at the running back position with
Speaker 4: all these fast backs there are. I mean, I keep
Speaker 4: thinking about how his speed on the perimeter could open
Speaker 4: up even more space in the middle, which is crazy
Speaker 4: to think about. For Tyreek and Jalen to work in
Speaker 4: that area of the field where they just went to
Speaker 4: work all year last year and put up over three
Speaker 4: thousand yards combined as a tandem here in Miami.
Speaker 2: Really fun to watch that.
Speaker 4: And just keep that in depth, to keep that in
Speaker 4: speed and what more do you want this Mike McDaniel offense.
Speaker 2: Before I get you out of here, though, let's.
Speaker 4: Talk about some potential Day three defensive back options. I
Speaker 4: know it's going deep into the roll decks. I know
Speaker 4: you're a busy man. I appreciate you dropping some names
Speaker 4: here on us. What you got cornerbacks and safeties on
Speaker 4: Day three that you like. So the first guy who
Speaker 4: comes to mind is J. L. Skinner from Boise State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just fun as hell like, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of where I go on Day three. It's just like,
Speaker 1: all right, like I'm gonna watch some fun players, Like
Speaker 1: is he the most athletic guy in the world. Is
Speaker 1: he the best coverage guy in the world. No, but
Speaker 1: he's downhill, he's physical. I think he's smart. I kind
Speaker 1: of view him as like a sub package player. I
Speaker 1: don't know that you want him on the field you know,
Speaker 1: all the time, but can really really help you in
Speaker 1: the run game.
Speaker 3: He's tough, he's big.
Speaker 1: If you can develop him as a man coverage player,
Speaker 1: I think he can kind of be that third safety
Speaker 1: for you in the future, right as far as you
Speaker 1: know bring him on the field in certain sub packages.
Speaker 3: Corner is a little bit tougher.
Speaker 1: I'll name ke Trol Clark from Louisville just because he's
Speaker 1: one of the most recent guys that I watched. I
Speaker 1: gave a Day three grade too that I really liked.
Speaker 1: Just a really, really hard nose probably a slot guy,
Speaker 1: but I like the way that he plays.
Speaker 3: He's physical, he's tough, he's smart. You know.
Speaker 1: I think you've you've got to see him play a
Speaker 1: little bit of outside corner at Louisville, some inside as
Speaker 1: well at the slot.
Speaker 3: I liked him at both spots.
Speaker 1: I think he probably plays slot though in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but hey, slots are starters now, and so I don't
Speaker 1: know that that should really attract too much from his value.
Speaker 1: So those would be the two guys that I would
Speaker 1: point out really really like their game, just as like gamers.
Speaker 1: I think those guys they're going to stick on a roster.
Speaker 1: They're going to find their way, whether that's special teams
Speaker 1: or sub packages, whatever it'd be. I'd be surprised if
Speaker 1: they don't stick around for a while.
Speaker 4: That play style in temperment you mentioned it. You talked
Speaker 4: about subpackaging and special teams. It translates perfectly to run
Speaker 4: downhill on kickoff or on a plunt and going and
Speaker 4: making a tackle, which every team needs.
Speaker 2: It gets overlooked every year.
Speaker 4: That's why you watch all seven rounds of the draft
Speaker 4: and find out how your team gets built, because all
Speaker 4: fifty three guys matter. And it means all ninety guys
Speaker 4: matter going into training camps. Really cool, Dante, Again, I
Speaker 4: kind of I glossed over this, so I was going
Speaker 4: to tell you off the air, but I'll tell you
Speaker 4: right now when you speak, man, you remind me of
Speaker 4: Ben Solac.
Speaker 2: I know, I know you know who Ben Solac is.
Speaker 4: I was looking at your Twitter bile here you went
Speaker 4: to Temple, which means you're a Philly guy, so that
Speaker 4: makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Ben, Ben, Ben is awesome. Man. I've
Speaker 3: been following Ben for a really, really long time.
Speaker 1: That's one of the highest compliments that you could give me.
Speaker 3: Frankly, so well appreciate that you guys.
Speaker 4: Could be identical twins too. Looking at you here on
Speaker 4: the Zoom call. So you got during a good company
Speaker 4: there with Ben. He's one of my favorite people that
Speaker 4: have in the podcast here. And I'll have to get
Speaker 4: you back into the rotation here more, man, because you
Speaker 4: something here on the podcast today. Dante Colinelly at Dante
Speaker 4: Colinelly on Twitter. He's at the thirty third team right now.
Speaker 4: Really cool stuff. They're working with Mike Tannebaum and the
Speaker 4: crew and they keep adding talent there. So you're in
Speaker 4: good company. Dante Dolphins writer at Fan Nation and Dolphins
Speaker 4: talking like I mentioned a Temple grad. This is your
Speaker 4: chance right now, Dante, to promote what you're working on.
Speaker 4: What you what you got coming up? I know the
Speaker 4: drafts just a week away, so I'm sure you're in
Speaker 4: that mold. But what are you right and what are
Speaker 4: you talking about in podcasts? Go ahead and tell people
Speaker 4: they can find you. Yeah, so you can check us
Speaker 4: out thirty thirteen dot com. You won't see my byline
Speaker 4: on that site, but I do a ton of the
Speaker 4: legwork on those stories and getting you the best possible
Speaker 4: content from NFL Hall of famers.
Speaker 3: Man, it's a ton of fun, you know.
Speaker 1: We get content from Bill Polly and Mike Martz, a
Speaker 1: ton of really fun guys.
Speaker 3: So check that out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a lot of really cool stuff around
Speaker 1: the draft. I'm really excited about me personally. I'm writing
Speaker 1: scouting reports up on Fan Nation Dolphins and so check
Speaker 1: us out. We're doing a lot of really cool stuff
Speaker 1: right now. I just had a couple of scouting reports
Speaker 1: drop over the weekend. So if you're in draft person,
Speaker 1: if you're a Dolphins person, you can find my stuff
Speaker 1: there guy.
Speaker 4: From Philly, big Dolphins fans, just further proving the Dolphins
Speaker 4: fans are everywhere.
Speaker 2: We are everywhere.
Speaker 4: There's dozens of us, right, We're all across the country,
Speaker 4: not just down here in South Forida.
Speaker 2: I'm a good example.
Speaker 4: I came from the furthest place in the continental United
Speaker 4: States to come down here and work for my childhood team.
Speaker 4: So Dante, appreciate your stuff, man, good stuff as always.
Speaker 4: In that, We'll talk to you soon, my friend, thanks
Speaker 4: for having me, and so away he goes really fun
Speaker 4: chat there with Dante, and that wraps up the previews,
Speaker 4: well kind of. We're gonna have Kyle Krabs on to
Speaker 4: do a two part extravaganza. That's our annual draft preview
Speaker 4: we do every single year. We're gonn to hear from
Speaker 4: Chris Greer and Marvin Allen later on this week as well.
Speaker 4: I'm going to talk about some of the guys I've
Speaker 4: been really looking at and having a fun time watching
Speaker 4: on tape in this year's draft class.
Speaker 2: Plus Jordan Reed joins us.
Speaker 4: I should say it's not the last position for previous
Speaker 4: because we are going to do quarterbacks, even though it's
Speaker 4: gonna be more NFL centric with Jordan Reid from ESPN.
Speaker 2: Plenty of content coming with the.
Speaker 4: Next couple of weeks where you're going to be really
Speaker 4: front to back, I think over the next two weeks
Speaker 4: with episodes pretty much every single day covering draft and
Speaker 4: really the NFL Draft and more NFL Draft, So.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for that. In the meantime, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: my time you all.
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