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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two and

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Speaker 1: and tan the show. I'm joined by Brad Ferris, a

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Speaker 1: Mississippi bow hunter, member of the Premost Hunting team, and

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Speaker 1: a white tail properties land specialist. All right, before we

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Speaker 1: get into the show, we need to thank Lacrosse Boots

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Speaker 1: for their support of this episode of the podcast. And

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Speaker 1: Lacrosse is an easy company for me to talk about

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Speaker 1: here on the podcast because I've personally been using the

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Speaker 1: product for coming up on two decades now, so you

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Speaker 1: know it's it's not a stretch at all for me

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Speaker 1: Bill was the first one to show up at our

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Speaker 1: family deer camp wearing his green and yellow Lacrosse rubber boots,

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Speaker 1: and after seeing them and him telling us how much

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Speaker 1: So Ever since then, I've been using various models that

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Speaker 1: they put out. Most recently, I've been wearing their arrowhead

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Speaker 1: boots and this year I'll be trying their new elfa

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Speaker 1: Burly prose, so I'll keep y'all posting what I think

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Speaker 1: about the new pair. But based on all my past experiences,

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Speaker 1: I'm confident that just like all those previous models, these

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Speaker 1: if you would like to learn more about Lacrosse for yourself,

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Speaker 1: you can visit Lacrosse Footwear dot com. And now welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wire Dump podcast to you buy Onyx and

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Speaker 1: today in the show, I'm joined by Brad Ferris, and

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Speaker 1: I think for a lot of folks, Brad's a household

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Speaker 1: on their TV shows and videos for many years now,

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Speaker 1: and that's something that Brad does continue to do today.

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Speaker 1: But he's also a white Tailed properties and land specialist

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Speaker 1: and a level too cutium made dear Stewart, which which

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Speaker 1: is a certification program the quality Deer Management Association runs,

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Speaker 1: which basically it means that if you've made it to

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Speaker 1: all this just to make sure it's clear that what

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Speaker 1: we've got here is a tremendous resource. Brad is is

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Speaker 1: I've not always done a good job of featuring guests

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Speaker 1: And now after speaking with Bread, I'm even more excited

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Speaker 1: To UM. So, I think it's gonna be one of

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Speaker 1: And we've got many other weekly video blogs I've been

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Speaker 1: because again this fall, there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 1: And next, we need to take a quick second to

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Speaker 1: thank Onyx for their support of this podcast. And the

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Speaker 1: Onyx Hunt app is something that you know similarly to

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Speaker 1: line is Brad Ferris. Welcome to the show, Brad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: things along those lines. Is there anything you've you've heard

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00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: or have found as far as how to just that

432
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: just seems like it would be a little bit difficult

433
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: when you don't actually get to choose where you want

434
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: to hunt on a given day. You know, usually I'm

435
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: making a decision based off of information I have weather conditions,

436
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: win conditions, access throutes, all these different things, trail camera

437
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: data that are going to tell me where I need

438
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: to be on this given day. But if I had

439
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: to then if I knew where I wanted to be,

440
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: but then I have to you know, hopefully no one's

441
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 1: already there. Kind of situation or sign up the day

442
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: before that seems like a throw a wrench in it sometimes.

443
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: How how how do you recommend people handle or make

444
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: the best of those steps of situations? You know, I

445
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: hunted it in course, I know what you're saying. You

446
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: you have trail cameras and you have places you want

447
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: to hunt, and you know you you waite on a

448
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: perfect wind. But but that is the thing about a

449
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: hunting club, even a share club, that you've got to

450
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: be able to to deal with is is just I

451
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: kind of say, you gotta you know, you gotta play

452
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: with others, so to speak, and and have some patience.

453
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: That's that is the part of it. You know, you're

454
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: not there on your own. It ain't like you on

455
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: your own four acres and you can set up ten

456
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: spots and hunt them when you won't you know, that's

457
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: the ideal situation. But for for many of us, you know,

458
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: hard working folks that can't afford that. You have to

459
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: get in a hunting club that's a timber company owns

460
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: and you least sacres and it's twenty people, um, you know,

461
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: and all of them are set up different. Some clubs

462
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: have it where everybody's got your own lin spots and

463
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: that's where they go day in the day out. And

464
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: others have a signing board where you where you draw,

465
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: which this kind of works good. Where you draw, say,

466
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: if it's ten of us, and you put your hand

467
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: in a hat and you draw one through ten or

468
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: whoever draws one and obviously has first picked that that

469
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: morning or that afternoon, and then whoever draws ten has

470
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: last pick. So um and did that. That's the part

471
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: of a hunting club that you have to be able

472
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: to to deal with um his whale. And that's that's

473
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: kind of Deer camp is a big thing down in

474
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: the South. And while I had a deer camps, but

475
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: they weren't really good. I mean, everyone's always be there's

476
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: some issues, but um, you usually don't take people along

477
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: to weed those bad bad apples out, and and and

478
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: some people just need to hunt their own place and

479
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: hunt it the way they want. I guess. I guess

480
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: when I'm premost hunting, we are serious and we aren't

481
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: really hard. But when I'm fun hunting, I don't get

482
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: too I don't get too worried about being so serious.

483
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: I just like to have fun and I appreciate your

484
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: time outside. Yeah, you mentioned there's a lot of deer camps.

485
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: That's a that's a big thing for you guys down there.

486
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: It seems like there's a really rich tradition down and

487
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: the Southern deer hunting tradition seems to be a really unique,

488
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: really special thing. Can you keep talking about that a

489
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: little bit? What what that? What makes that so special?

490
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: You know? When I grew up in a deer camp

491
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: in Jasper County, which is in the eastern side of Mississippi.

492
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: In this I think one reason there's so many camps

493
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: like that is because there is a lot of timber company.

494
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: You know, Timber is a big thing here, and it's

495
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: a lot of company companies that owned large tracks of

496
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: land and they least they least out portions of it

497
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: to certain clubs. And that's just kind of been that

498
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: way for years. Um. And and that's from east to west,

499
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: all over the state of Mississippi, Alabama, and even Louisiana

500
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: to the same. Um, it's definitely important that the gosh

501
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid could not wait to go

502
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: to deer camp on Friday night. That was like what

503
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: I lived for. I quit all of sports in the

504
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: seventh grade because they started interfering with my deer campaign,

505
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, and then that that was just the most

506
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: important thing to me. It was going to deer camp

507
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: on Saturday night, hunting to a Sunday at at you know,

508
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: to a Sunday afternoon, and um, I know many people

509
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: share that same same way of thinking and doing this

510
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: this day in time. Yeah. Yeah, we got to have

511
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: a similar thing up in up in northern Michigan. We've

512
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: got our Northern Skin deer camps and little cabin up

513
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: in the big woods and you know, one of the

514
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: things that we always used to do up there that

515
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: later in life I found out that some people don't

516
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: do and they kind of thought was bizarre. Um, but

517
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: they we have like buck poles. Is this thing up

518
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: there where you know, opening weekend, a gun season whatever,

519
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: everyone you know gets your buck and you hang them

520
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: on these poles. And even like gas stations and you know,

521
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: grocery stores and stuff, we have these big poles out

522
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: in the parking lot and everyone brings their deer there

523
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: and everyone hangs their deer and then every you know,

524
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: folks mill around all night looking at the deer and

525
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: talking about telling your stories and everything like that. Um,

526
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: that just seemed to be like what you just did,

527
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: and that was like the coolest thing. But then as

528
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: an adult later I talked to people down in you know,

529
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: Kentucky or Iowa or wherever. They're like, you do what?

530
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: You hang all these deer on a pole? Um. They

531
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: thought it was kind of bizarre seeing these pictures a

532
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: ten deer or twenty deer all lined up like that.

533
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: Is there anything unique like that? You're anything unique to

534
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: a southern deer camp that you guys do that maybe

535
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: we'd see up here and be like, oh, that's kind

536
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: of different. You know, nothing like that, like in a

537
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: community where you take and hang you do it, but

538
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: I know it every hunting club we you know, we

539
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: we call them skin and sheds. You know this, the

540
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: skin and shed like it caught in what we do,

541
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: all the primo stuff we The skin and shed is

542
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: kind of like the center place where we always congregate

543
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: and we meet at. We can't wait to get to

544
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: late morning and then right after dark to see what happened.

545
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: So our skin and she had so to speak, is

546
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of our fun place as a group where

547
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: we get together and do what you just discussed. But

548
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: if you know, it's just within our group, it's not

549
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: in a like in a public in town or anything

550
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: like that. Got so, yeah, the skin and she is

551
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: an important part of deal camp. Very fun all the

552
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: laughs and stories. Yea, the social hub that is that

553
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: is an important part. That's a good way. Yeah. You

554
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: talked a little bit ago about how thousand acres down

555
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to hunt as big as a thousand

556
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: acres in the Midwest. Maybe, UM, can you stand on that.

557
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious because because again, um, I haven't

558
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: hunted down south. I'm always trying to better understand what

559
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: makes it unique? Donner? What's unique about that situation? Um,

560
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: why do you think that is? You know, and we

561
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of the deer numbers, We have a

562
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: lot of deer numbers here. I spent a lot of

563
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: time hunting in in Iowa, Illinois, Kansas. Um, you know

564
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: years ago, when you know a five acre farm stay

565
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: in Illinois, it just it's kind of hard to explain

566
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: you a mature deer. It's a five and a half

567
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: year old deer down here, and my experience does not

568
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: move like a five and a half year old deer

569
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: in the Midwest. You know, I can remember seeing hunt,

570
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: just say, a hundred sixty five or six year old

571
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: deer and hunting him in Illinois and seeing him move

572
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: every day, trying to figure him out here you have

573
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: like the first few days of this season, if they're

574
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: on some kind of summer pattern you have, you know,

575
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: you might have an opportunity that one of those kind

576
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: of deer. If not, chances are you gonna have to

577
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: wait till the rut, you know, before or during the

578
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: rut to catch them moving. They just they just don't

579
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: move here typically like they do up there. And a

580
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: lot of it too is food because you know, late

581
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: season and you're part of the world. If you've got

582
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: some kind of food source established, it's so it's you're

583
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna see some deer. I mean, they're gonna move. We

584
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: don't really have winter kill here. We don't have extreme

585
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: cold temperatures that makes those dear moves. So you know,

586
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: you really really rut time is when when things happen

587
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: here on those really top end deer. Now backing that up,

588
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: why does that how does that change? I mean, it's

589
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: some similarities in the Midwest versus the South, but um,

590
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: it just it just unt's different. Um how can I

591
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: put that into words where people listening can understand that,

592
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: you know a lot of our stuff is thick, uh

593
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: like on our place that we own it, like many

594
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: other people. To me, cover is the most important thing

595
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: you can have. I mean, I know everybody has, you know,

596
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: all these attractions and feeds and makes food plots, and

597
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: that's a huge part of hunting. But I look at

598
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: cover before I look at anything, because if I got

599
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: plenty of cover, I want to have plenty of mature deer. Um.

600
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: If you only got one sad so I got a

601
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: two acre block, and this is kind of nuts and

602
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: bolts of what I enjoy doing most is because you

603
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: have a two acre block of land and you've got like,

604
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: it's a forty acre clear cut in the middle of

605
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: it and the rest is open timber. Yeah, you're gonna

606
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: have some some deer in that forty acres. Keep it

607
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: as sanctuary. But if you take that same two acres

608
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: and you make four tim aker bed and areas clear

609
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: cuts or heavy thingings on that twounded acres, you're gonna

610
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: hold more mature deer in my opinion, because they can

611
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: spread out. I mean, they're fine this time of you're

612
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: hanging out together, but once there comes off, so they

613
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: turned into different, you know, different animals, and you need

614
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: to give them plenty of space to spread out. Yeah,

615
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: could could you could you um run their little hypothetical

616
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: with me here. I'm curious, yeah, because I love the

617
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: same thing that you're talking about here where I love

618
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: the ability to um to kind of paint whatever picture

619
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: you want on a piece of property, kind of do

620
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: things like that to try to make it better for wildlife,

621
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: better for hunting. UM. I don't own any land, so

622
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: I've had very limited opportunities, but I've been don't do

623
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: this on a couple of little spots. Um. But let's

624
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: say you've got that situation, that two acre block of timber, um,

625
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: and let's say you own it and you can do

626
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: whatever you want with it to try to to try

627
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: to make it into a better piece of white tail ground.

628
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Let's say it's down in Mississippi. It's it's open timber.

629
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: But you've got, you know, the ability to do some stuff.

630
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Can you walk us through this hypothetical two acre property

631
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: and how you'd approach turning it from just a big

632
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: block of timber into something you think would be an

633
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: ideal white tail set up? Sure? Sure not. And it

634
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: seemed like I do this daily because it's a big

635
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: part of what we do it that white tail property

636
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: is explaining stuff to people and helping them. Um So

637
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: in the and then this is one way I like

638
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: to think about it and explain it. The uglier a

639
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: piece of property is the better hunting it is nine

640
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: times out of ten. Meaning if it's been cut and

641
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: it's brides and it's nasty and it's stick, I mean,

642
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: that is the perfect habitat, the perfect place for for

643
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: white tail deer. That's what they love. If you walk

644
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: out there and it's open trees and beautiful, you know

645
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: you've got a lot more timber value actually, but you

646
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: just don't have the cover and the sanctuary for those

647
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: for those deer, they just dear deal want thick stuff here.

648
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: I've seen deer in the Midwest. I mean, bucks just

649
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: beat on the side of open ridge. You don't hardly

650
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: ever find that down here, dear beded up. Now, he

651
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: might be in a if a tree fail from a

652
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: storm or top. He might be laying in that every

653
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: now and then. But they just that they don't stay

654
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: in that open country. They're gonna find that sanctuary every time,

655
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: those bucks young and old. Um So, how would you

656
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: set up that? So if you can, if you have

657
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: the opportunity to make those deer sleep where you want

658
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: them and eat where you want them as in a

659
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: food plot food source summer or or winter. To me,

660
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: that is ideal. And if you set it up with

661
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: a southerly section and a northerly section, meaning you know,

662
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: if you got south winds, you've got these this area

663
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: you can hunt, and if you've got north winds, you've

664
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: got this area you can hunt. And just draw it

665
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: out where if you're going in new you cut timber

666
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: and it gets thick, they will be there that question,

667
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: they will be there. And then if you lay some

668
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: open timber in between that and say two to five

669
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: acre food plot, well you just created a transition area

670
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: that whether it's you know, from from feed to bed

671
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: or from dead to feed, you have the ability to

672
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: get in there and actually hang stands and hunt those

673
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: deer and make them somewhat move in a pattern that

674
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: you control. Does that makes sense to um? And then

675
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: it takes three to five years to create that in

676
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: some instances, but once you get it done, it can

677
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: be so much fun. And not not only do you

678
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: create that and it gives them a safe place to be,

679
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: but it also gives you you gotta remember, access, you know,

680
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: getting into those spots and getting out of those spots.

681
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: That's that's as important as anything, especially getting out in

682
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: the afternoon. You know, if you got to blow your

683
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: deer out of a food plot every afternoon, you know,

684
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: you're just you're putting pressure on them. And that's fine.

685
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna see deer be those older deer just godly,

686
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: they just don't they just don't put up with it.

687
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: You mentioned you mentioned the beginning about how you know,

688
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: rather than having your property with like a big forty

689
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: acre cut in the middle, you'd rather have four ten

690
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: acre cuts. See, like you said, spread them out a

691
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: little bit. When you're sitting at that when you're setting

692
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: up these food plots, are carving in these food plots too.

693
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: In this scenario, if we're trying to look at like

694
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: the ideal, would you then try to pair a small

695
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: food plot with each one of those betting areas too,

696
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: or would you have just the one big Yeah? What

697
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: would you do there? No, No, that's that's and maybe

698
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: I didn't explain myself, but yeah, I would. I would

699
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: create a food plot in a bedding area at each

700
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: of those four locations and maybe have a maybe have

701
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: a couple more. Just depending on every place is a

702
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: little different. Um yeah, definitely, you would. I would. You

703
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: would need to create that, um And and that's why

704
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: I say you got four, so you got two you

705
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: can hunt on the south suddenly flow pattern and then

706
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: you got to you can hunt and orderly you know,

707
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: flow pattern with the winds. That's exactly right. Just you know,

708
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: And that's just a little scenario. It could be much

709
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: bigger than that obviously. UM Now, I do like big

710
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: food plots. You know, you can have little The bigger

711
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: the food plot, the more deer are going to use it.

712
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: And and I love having a big food plot that

713
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: I call a destination plot on a track too, if

714
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: if possible, because if a small one you might feed

715
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: let's just say two to five deer that that that

716
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: live in that section of your phone. If you have

717
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: a big one, you're gonna have deer come from all

718
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: sections of that farm as a as a nighttime thing.

719
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: That's why when you have fields and you see all

720
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: you walk in those fields like man, look at the

721
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: rubs and the scrapes and the deer side. That's because

722
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: he's deer. That's where they go and spend their nights.

723
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's where they stay and they spend time

724
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: in there. That's why you have so much buck signed

725
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: around those big fields. And I love a big field

726
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: if if that's if you can keep it quiet, you

727
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: don't have you have it b where you don't have

728
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: vehicles going by, um And and it's just a sanctuary thing.

729
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: And that's that's what you have to do to keep

730
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: those mature deer either to create opportunities for you to

731
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: to even see them in a day like with a

732
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: with a bow or gun. Yeah. Yeah. When it comes

733
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: to food plots, is there anything unique that's working particularly

734
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: well down there for you or anything that you're doing

735
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: there that might be different than you know, our great

736
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: big corn and bean fields and everything that we might

737
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: have up here. You know, not not really because in

738
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: like in the Delta portions and the and other portions

739
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: of the state, we have a lot of corn beans,

740
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, ag production, and in those

741
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: areas with that agricultural influences where our bigger deal idear

742
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: that way, the most idea that that that are the

743
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: biggest um just there's all kinds of different blends out there,

744
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: um Man. As much as is you can get that.

745
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: You can not to just pick out one thing, but

746
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: if you can create something for those deer that gets

747
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: it gets them from October through May or June. Which

748
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: is a simple fall blond of like wheat, oaks and clover.

749
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's that's what I would suggest to somebody.

750
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: And then you have brassicas that you can add it.

751
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: You know, you can keep adding to to that January

752
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: February March food source. But just the easiest is just

753
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: like a simple wheat, oat and clover mix. Um is

754
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: to simplify. Yeah, what about growing conditions and everything we

755
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: got That's the thing about here. You know, we our

756
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: winners are not bad. So the co front comes through

757
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: and it gets you know, down in the in the twenties,

758
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: maybe for a couple of nights and highs in the fifties,

759
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: and it might get get up a little bit. It's

760
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: just kind of as those fronts come in. So growing

761
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: conditions are great here. We have long summers that gets hot,

762
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: so we when we have a good bit of rainfall

763
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: here too. I mean I think our average rainfall is

764
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: seventy some inches and a year or so. It's truly

765
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: just all about your soul prepped and your preparation because

766
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: you're never gonna have a year where you can't make

767
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: anything growth hardly. You just gotta gotta prepare the ground right.

768
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: And but speaking of food plots, and I considered this

769
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: a food plot too, what I started doing on some

770
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: properties I helped people on. So you've got a ten

771
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: acre clear cut, like we discussed earlier, Well, if you

772
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: go and everybody wants to know what I go back

773
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: and replant it with. And we used to do that.

774
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: The problem with replanet in trees, whether it the pines

775
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: or hardwoods or whatever, is ten years, which is not

776
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: a long time anymore. You're gonna be faced with the

777
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: same problem you were from day one. Those trees are

778
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: gonna canopy over. You're gonna start losing that understory. You're

779
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: following me, you know, as a as a mature. Well,

780
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: what what Rice started doing is taking those ten acre

781
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: blocks that you've created for bedding areas or sanctuary areas

782
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: and spraying them every three years with a chemical whether

783
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: it be from a helicopter or do it from a

784
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: ground rig, and and just killing those all the woody

785
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: stuff and letting it start over again. So so you're

786
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: not selectively doing anything. You're going to kind of doing

787
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: a blanket spray of everything is setting it all back,

788
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: killing everything woody, Yes, sir, Yeah, And what happens is, uh,

789
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, we we do burning times and and that

790
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: is good. But the problem with burning is you completely

791
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: clean up your area every year. So that's good for

792
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: for food for turkeys and deer, yes, but when you're

793
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: going in and burn, you know all you you're you're

794
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: actually all your covered leaves were burning it up. So

795
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: you're back to square one. Um. So I prefer to

796
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: have a secluded place that I just that I keep

797
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: totally controlled and keep the grass and the dewberry and

798
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: the briars and just all the the stuff that dear

799
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: need to survive their main food sources. That just keeps

800
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: them keep some thick and healthy. Yeah. The shade is

801
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: their worst enemy. Yeah. And to your earlier point, that

802
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: kind of set up not only does that make great

803
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: cover and bedding, but when you've got all that new growth,

804
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: you've basically have a natural food platau. Right, That's exactly right,

805
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: And and and the deer gotta have it because you can

806
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: plan all the stuff you want. We can, but you

807
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: have to. I mean the natural stuff that Mother Nature

808
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: put their form, that's what they need. And if you've

809
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: give them plenty of that, everything else is just gravy

810
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: to them. And it it just it really works. And

811
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: it takes a while to get that process, but it's

812
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: once you get it, it's it's Man, does it worked good?

813
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: Speaking of natural forage, Um, you know, when I'm walking

814
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: around property here in Michigan and I'm I'm looking for

815
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: maybe an old apple tree or I'm looking for white oaks. Um,

816
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking for that kind of stuff where there might

817
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: be some some soft mass or some hard mass, might

818
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: be a natural food source I can find back in

819
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: the wood and hang a stand there. Um. But for

820
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: someone down by by you and Mississippi, if you can't

821
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: plant food plots, but you're looking for these natural food

822
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: sources that deer particularly like down by you, what are

823
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: some of those things that gives the key in on

824
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: the same thing you just said. I mean, of course

825
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: you got different. Like early on, you're gonna have all

826
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: your oaks species you're gonna have we have, you know,

827
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: for simmons, and we call them bean tree, which is

828
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: a honey locusts and you're familiar with a honey locust.

829
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: It's got the long black bean on it. Um. That's

830
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: an important food source for the fall. And here easy

831
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: like we call them uh water oaks or pin oaks.

832
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: They usually fall first, so that's going to be in October.

833
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: And man, when you start finding nose and you walk

834
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: up under that tree and you see all that deer

835
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: sign and this fresh signed old sign, you know, that's

836
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: that's when you get excited. Put that stand up around it.

837
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: Whether it be per simmon, per simmon is usually fall

838
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: early October. The honey locusts usually fall in October. Um.

839
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: We have another specie of oak trees here um well,

840
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: I call them like a swamp chestnut or a nut

841
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: all or a stripe it oak. It's a bigger acron

842
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: if they usually don't fall to November, December even carry

843
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: on into January. So it's it's basically the same. It's

844
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: just in some of our big forest. You know, you

845
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: have you in places you have so many acrons that

846
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: it's really hard to key in on any one tree

847
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: because there might be a hundred of them at a bottom.

848
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: Is it would it be accurate to say that a

849
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff you guys are hunting down there

850
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: is like big timber, like big blocks. There is not

851
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 1: as much edge as maybe you'd see in the egg

852
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: land in Iowa or something. Is that right? Not really

853
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: you get in the Mississippi delta um there. So it's

854
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of big just thousands and

855
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: thousands of acres of agriculture ground with ditch roads, with

856
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: a little wood lots um. A lot of farmers have

857
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: taken m their marginal ground farm ground and put it

858
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: into c RP or w RP, which is excellent habitat. Yeah,

859
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure y'all have some of that too, and you

860
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: know some of the best hunting places in Mississippi or

861
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: or w RP or CRP places because when they plant

862
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: that stuff like we just talked about, you have all

863
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: that natural stuff you stick. It holds the deer's plenty

864
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: of food and um, it gives him a place to

865
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: to get old yeahs from the finest spots. Yeah, I

866
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: can't beat that that CRP in those grasses and everything,

867
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: that beautiful, beautiful habitat. Deers seemed to just dive right

868
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: in and kind of do your comment backing up to

869
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: what we talked about about like the teen acre blocks.

870
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: Really and truly that's all that that that that I'm

871
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: trying to create. As I explained that, trying to create

872
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: that CRP or w RP type scenario just inside a

873
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: woodlock and keep it, you know, keep it at it's

874
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: primed life cycle for all the plants. Yeah, do you

875
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: do you have when you're working on something like that

876
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: on your own property or on a property you're helping

877
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: someone out with um and you're making these these little

878
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: betting area type of things. Do you have like a

879
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: minimum size? You always trying to make sure they at

880
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: least are this big? Or can someone go in there

881
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: and you know, they've got the chainsaws all they have,

882
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: and half a day and they get a half acre

883
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: or something? Is that is that worthwhile in your opinion?

884
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: Or absolutely? And we've done it that way too. I

885
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: mean it's not always we have big equipment and stuff

886
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: to do that or the opportunities to do it. But

887
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: she can go in there with a chainsaw and a

888
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: couple of guys with chainsaws can make a knock a

889
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: really good dent in some bid and habitat in a day.

890
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: You know, if you can go in there and cut stuff.

891
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: And another popular way it's just not is they call

892
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: it hacking squirt, where you take a hatchet and you

893
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: go to your local forestry store and you can get

894
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: a chemical that you can actually spray, you know, cut

895
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: the bar, spray it and they will kill that, you know,

896
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: to kill that tree and stop it from shading. UM.

897
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: There's several ways to do it, but yeah, it half acre,

898
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: one acre, a quarter acre. Any cover is better than none. Yeah, yeah,

899
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion, yeah, it seems like to your point,

900
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: a tool like a chainsaw or the hacking squirt method

901
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: or something. It's it's so much easier than most people

902
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: think as far as the way you can transform an area.

903
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: You can take an area that's wide open timber and

904
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: turn it into just a white tail mecca by adding

905
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: that cover. UM. And I know what one popular thing

906
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: is called hinge cutting. I'm sure you're familiar with that.

907
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of information about hinge cutting out there,

908
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: and I think it's a I think it's a wonderful

909
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, a portion of habitat to create um as well,

910
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: and even if you have a small place, it's I

911
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: just can't stress enough how pointant is to give those

912
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: deer cover you know, don't write a TV stew it,

913
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: don't walk through it. Um. I have places at once.

914
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: We we plan our food plots. That's the last time

915
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: a gas vehicle is allowed in that section. H You know,

916
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: you either walk in the or use electric. We don't,

917
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: we just we don't. We want to keep two disturbance

918
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 1: at a minimum at all costs after after the food

919
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: plots of planet, you know, in the following winter. So

920
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: so speaking of um, you know, making these betting areas.

921
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: Back to that side of things. I heard you mentioned

922
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: a couple of times you use the word sanctuary. Um,

923
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: what's your take on these sanctuary areas When you say sanctuary,

924
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: is that a place that you will never go in,

925
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: or is that a place that maybe you'll hunt a

926
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: few times? Or how how seriously do you take this

927
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: quote unquote sanctuary. Well, I wouldn't say I would never

928
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: hunt there. Um. I would not hunt there until the

929
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: right time of year. Um, And and just keep it

930
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: and then just keeping it a place where you don't

931
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: disturb them. And then if I did hunt there, it

932
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: would just be on the fringes and it would just

933
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: have to be the ideal conditions far as the winds concerned. Um,

934
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: it's just you know, those deer will come and go

935
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: from there if if they're not they're not spooked and

936
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: they're comfortable. But once you start spooking them, even the

937
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: old dogs, I mean, it's just they get they they

938
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: live there. We're just mstrs there most of the time.

939
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: But that's their home, and you gotta I mean it

940
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: might sound silly, but I treated as at home and

941
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: try to respect that. So the more comfortable they are,

942
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: the more fun we're gonna have, you know, watching the show. Yeah,

943
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: if you understand me, Yeah, yeah, definitely. What when you're

944
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: when you're going into your hunts and this is a

945
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: and Mealy, this is like an incredibly high level question.

946
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: There's a thousand ways you can go this, um, but

947
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: you just talked about some of the things you're thinking

948
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: about as far as trying to keep these deer um

949
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: as unpressured as possible, make them feel comfortable, respecting their home. Um,

950
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: what other things are you doing to do to accomplish that?

951
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: So what are some of the ways that you keep

952
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: pressure low? What are some of the ways that you

953
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: minimize your impact when you're going into hunt or manage

954
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: a property. Um. I think it's obviously a consistent thing

955
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: between most anyone that has consistent success killing mature bucks

956
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: is the fact that they are able to somehow create

957
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: a situation where these deer don't realize that they're being hunted,

958
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: or at least not as much as they are. Um,

959
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: how do you go about trying to do that yourself? Well,

960
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot of it goes back to if you can

961
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: set up your place that you know, you can get

962
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: into too, stands, you can get out of stands. Um,

963
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: you know that's your biggest impact is your movement obviously

964
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: coming to and front places, and you know, you just

965
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: have to hunt smartists. Really it's really not that hard,

966
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: but you gotta have some some patients and be discipline

967
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: enough to wear Hey man, I got this a country

968
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: they are killing it. I got trail camp pictures of

969
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: a shooter there, but the winds marginal. You know, if

970
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I if I can only hunt my best spot one time,

971
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: because that's all the conditions will allow me, that's all

972
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hut if you try to, if you and

973
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: I know, we got you know ozonic Actually they worked great.

974
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: Sin control works great, but still, um, if you use

975
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: that with that discipline of of of hunting your spots

976
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: when only there your conditions allow it, I think I

977
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: think you'll be much more successful. Yeah each time. I

978
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: mean that, that's just that discipline part. It's hard to

979
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: when you got those trail cameras and you got two

980
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: or three nice bucks or shooter bucks, and that's all

981
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: you can think about is sitting in that tree stand man.

982
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: You want to kind of push the envelope sometimes, but

983
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I never do. Yeah. Yeah, So something I'd

984
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: like to talk to all our different guests about is

985
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: how they go about making the decision when to strike.

986
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: So you've got this honey hoole that you thinks can

987
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: be great, But to your point, you don't want to

988
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: push the envelope too much. You don't want to go

989
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: too often, you don't want to go too early. Um,

990
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: what are the factors that help you decide that, yes,

991
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: today's the day I need to go? And is it?

992
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: Is it a weather factor, is it timing factor, combination

993
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: of a whole bunch of stuff. I would love to

994
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: hear about that for you. But typically typically it's going

995
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: to be weather. You know, when you when when you

996
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: got high pressure and you have fronts coming down, you

997
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: have some consistent winds a lot of time unless they're

998
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: right when they first here and it's it's boring too

999
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: hard than they kind of swirl. But here for us,

1000
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: if we had those low pressure days when it's not

1001
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: much wind blowing and it's warm and humid, and we

1002
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: got you know, we got those that suddenly flow coming

1003
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: coming in, those are the worst days. Now when you

1004
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: got those cool days and you walk upside and it's

1005
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: cool and the limbs crisp, and man, that that's that's

1006
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: when I get excited because if you think about it,

1007
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: the days that we hunt, that's kind of yucky. You

1008
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: don't see many of deer those days. But the days

1009
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: that we hunt when it's nice and it feels good,

1010
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: that's when we see most of the deer. In my opinion, um,

1011
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: and so that's just just let the weather dictated. That's

1012
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. Is it's so important to make

1013
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: your decisions on on on wind to go. You know,

1014
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: don't don't waste a good spot on a bad day weatherwise.

1015
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: Do you do you give the moon any attention at

1016
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: all to care at all about that? You know? I do,

1017
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: because definitely you see some some changes in movement with

1018
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: the moon, but you know, hey, hunt season short, so

1019
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about the weather and the and the

1020
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: and you know, being able to get to my spot

1021
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: without being detected and leave my spot and I am

1022
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: the moon because they still out there. They're gonna move anytime.

1023
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: But if you've got good weather and full moon, I

1024
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: think that's still I think that's still a fun day

1025
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: versus not going. Yeah. Yeah, now I wouldn't take my

1026
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: vacation if had a week of vacation, I wouldn't take

1027
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: it during full moon in November. I can tell you

1028
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: that because that can be a real slow down in

1029
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: the South because I ruts in December here where the

1030
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: Midwest is mostly November stuff. Yeah, can you can you

1031
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: walk us through that a little bit? Because everyone I've

1032
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: ever talked to hunts down in the South has got

1033
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: a different take on how the rut operates down there.

1034
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: When it's really the best time to focus on what's world,

1035
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: What are you seeing where you hunt? As far as

1036
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: the timing of the rut, as far as how you

1037
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: approach it is that is different at all than what

1038
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: you might do in Illinois or Kansas or something of

1039
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: how you hunted, even not really, um I rut here.

1040
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: Our peak breeding days where I hunt are the the Twente.

1041
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: And the way I know that is because we've done

1042
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: health checks with them with the state on several occasions.

1043
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: And what they do. They shoot those, they shoot those

1044
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: and they do tests on them, and they in February

1045
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: or early March, and they then they can count back

1046
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: from the you know, from the fetus back in the

1047
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: exact day that though was bread. So that's how I

1048
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: got those. That's you know, that's accurate information there. So

1049
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: but you can, I mean, you can sense your clock on.

1050
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean some years it's it's it's more intent. Some

1051
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 1: years it's softer. And now I think whether they plays

1052
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of role than that here in Mississippi

1053
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: because you know, if it's sixty or seventy degrees and um,

1054
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: those deer got their coats on. It's you know, they

1055
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: get hot. It's I think it suppresses the movement during

1056
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: the day and and and they get a little more

1057
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: active at night just because of the the weather. So

1058
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, and I know you've had hot days probably

1059
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: in your part of the world in November killer during

1060
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: the rut. Yeah, it's just just they just don't do nothing.

1061
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: You know, I've had my best luck hunting water holes

1062
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: in the Midwest when it's hot during the rut, because

1063
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, the deer just gets so heated up. Yeah, chasing,

1064
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: how is there anything one of the things I feel like,

1065
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, when I traveled out of state and I

1066
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: had to Illinois or Iowa, one of those states where

1067
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: there's just a high number of mature bucks, not quite

1068
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: as much hunting pressure. There's certain things that I can

1069
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: do during the rut that I would never do in Michigan,

1070
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: where there's not as many mature bucks, was a lot

1071
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: more hunters. Um, so I'll be much more aggressive. I'll

1072
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: use decoys, I'll do a lot of rattling and calling,

1073
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: different things like that. Um. What's that like in Mississippi

1074
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: or Arkansas? Can you be aggressive with those types of

1075
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: tactics to those things and not work as well down there? Um?

1076
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: What's your take there? Um? I think decoys, I mean,

1077
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: decoys work here in the right conditions. We've done it,

1078
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: but they don't. The deer don't seem to. I don't

1079
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: know if it's just more it's just more of them. Um,

1080
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: And so they don't the a lot of times about

1081
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: the doe ratios. They're not perfect here because because I

1082
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: I density and it's like the beer not as aggressive

1083
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: as they are in the Midwest. Um by Colling, I've

1084
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: had great success calling here, you know, during during the

1085
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: time of year, and I've told everybody you you have

1086
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: a kin call and a grunt call, and if it

1087
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: only works twice a year, it's worth every effort to

1088
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: top that thing and track because it doesn't spook them.

1089
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: So I want to have those tools in my in

1090
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: my my vest every every day during the pre rut,

1091
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: post rut and rut time. Yes, So for you done there,

1092
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: what's that time frame when you would use that stuff? Um,

1093
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: you start in early December and um you'll start getting

1094
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: some response uh the whole month and even even later

1095
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: in the year, because you know, once once that process

1096
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: starts and you have that triple rut later on in January,

1097
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: it can it can be effective. And I think it's

1098
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: more important where you call from than than even when

1099
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: you call, because if you're if you're in his We've

1100
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: talked about this, no matter what we're trying to call

1101
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: where this turkey's elk or deer if you're in a

1102
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: spot and you're in big open woods and you call

1103
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: on the bucks a hundred yards and he looks and

1104
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: he can see where that sounds coming from. And then

1105
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean, but he's looking at this clear slate with

1106
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: nothing standing there that that typically doesn't work good. But

1107
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: if you're in a and some thick stuff or by

1108
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: a top or on a ridge, and that deer has

1109
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: he he knows where that sounds coming from, but he

1110
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: has to come over to investigate, to see to see it.

1111
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's just not open. That's that's your best

1112
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: scenarios is um is where you go from? Now that

1113
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: makes sense? Can he walks through the actual call sequences

1114
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: or or things like that, like let's say you see

1115
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: a buck and he's off in the distance. Can you

1116
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: can you walk us through what kind of calls you

1117
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: would use first, what you would when you would stop calling,

1118
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: or when you would start calling again, or when would

1119
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: you switch to something else? I'd I'd love to hear

1120
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: like your process there? Got you? Yeah? Okay, So one

1121
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: thing we noticed many many years ago is if a

1122
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: deer can hear a can call, and if anybody listens,

1123
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: not for me with a can call this. We call

1124
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: it the can. You know Primos makes it's just a

1125
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: little bleak can and makes a little like a sound

1126
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: of a doe bleating. But when nose deer in the

1127
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: seeking looking phase, did they hear that sound? Godly? They

1128
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: come so many times, and but it's not a loud sound.

1129
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: And you know, fifteen years ago, before we had the

1130
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: buck roll, you had to have a grunt call. If

1131
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: you tried to do it loud, it would kind of

1132
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: sound like a duck. So that's where we sit out

1133
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: because figure out how can we make a grunt call

1134
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: us loud so to to be more detailed. So you

1135
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: see one at a hundred a hundred fifty yards, he's

1136
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: not going to hear that can if he's walking and leaves,

1137
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: and even if he's not, he might not hear because

1138
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: it's a real soft Sam. But if you if you

1139
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: can grunt at him and get his attention, and then

1140
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: you follow that grunt with that can a time or two,

1141
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: then in his mind he thinks that's a book and

1142
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: a dot or book chasing a doe and she's getting

1143
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 1: close to being receptive. That's making that Sam, and man

1144
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: do they do that? If you can create that scenario

1145
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: for a deer that's a hundred yards from you and

1146
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 1: get him to hear and look your way. Many they

1147
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: come so many times looking Now, what if you do that?

1148
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: You do? You do your grunt gets his attention, do

1149
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: a couple of times in the can call and he

1150
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: is not coming in though he's still standing there looking around,

1151
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: but he hasn't committed. Do you keep going or do

1152
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: you stop calling off for a ways? What happens next

1153
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: in that scenario? No, I stopped. I stop and just

1154
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: give him some time to watch and watch his mannerisms,

1155
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: watch his behavior, and I might you know, if he's

1156
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: looking I don't want to keep calling that him. Let

1157
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: it let him kind of let let his curiosity start

1158
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: working now. If he doesn't seem really interested, I might

1159
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: do he he knows you there at that point, and

1160
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: then I might follow it up with a can a

1161
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,479
Speaker 1: couple on another can sound and maybe a grunt um.

1162
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: And it doesn't work all the time. And if it's

1163
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: not working, my last resort will be with a set

1164
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: of rattle horns, just a real quick like two bucks

1165
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: fighting over a dope um to try to get his attention.

1166
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: And and and like I said, sometimes you can try

1167
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: all that and if if he's not an aggressive dear,

1168
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: then you know, I don't think it always work. And

1169
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: you've got something deer that are aggressive that we'll run

1170
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: towards you every time they hear that. I know some

1171
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: people before calling they think about the wind direction, because

1172
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: sometimes these bucks will will hear a call, but then

1173
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: want to circle down wind of that sound to kind

1174
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: of confirm whether or not it is what it thinks

1175
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: it is. Is that something you worry about it? Or

1176
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: have you seen that at all? Due factor that in

1177
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: at all? Not? Not really, because I'm I'm hunting my

1178
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: spot based on the scouting, the trail camera information where

1179
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: I think to do are coming from and going to,

1180
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: and so I guess I never go on a spot

1181
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: just to call, and if I do, it might be

1182
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 1: midday with rattling horn on the edge of like I said,

1183
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: I cut over or sanctuary type place to try to

1184
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: call him out of that. But you're all right there,

1185
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to circle down wind, but um, I

1186
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: just gosh, I'm a I'm already I think I have

1187
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: my area figured out when why? So you know, I

1188
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: just go with it at that point gotcha. Now do

1189
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: you ever It sounds like maybe you do, because you

1190
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: just mentioned a scenario where I imagine you would do this,

1191
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: But do you ever blind call just just heading there?

1192
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: And mhm? And with that same scenario, because I like

1193
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: to hunt thick stuff where I can't see hundred and

1194
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 1: two hundred yards a lot of times, and so I'll

1195
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: do a grunt and maybe a couple of grunts and

1196
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: then one bleak um just you know, maybe every thirty

1197
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: minutes or forty five minutes, I'll do that. But if

1198
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: deer close to you, that's what people need to remember.

1199
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: If the deer's close to you, say at fifty yards,

1200
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: and he can key in on you, well that call

1201
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: is coming from you know. That's a tough one day.

1202
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to chance it because that might be

1203
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: the only opportunity to get him ken yards closer. But man,

1204
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times I don't hang them up to

1205
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: Do you do anything differently when you're calling in Mississippi

1206
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: versus if you're hunting in Iowa or some states like that,

1207
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: same same thing, same exacting, same scenario, no matter where.

1208
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: All right, let's pause here for our last break of

1209
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: the day to think our partners at white Tail Properties

1210
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: and producer Spencer new Hearth has got another white Tail

1211
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: Properties land Specialists with us today to off for some

1212
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: advice on fighting hunting properties with cash rent opportunities. This

1213
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: week with white Tail Properties were drawn by Tom James

1214
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: Aid land Specialists out of Indiana, and Tom is going

1215
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: to be telling us about looking at properties that advertise

1216
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: with cash rent opportunity. Cash rent opportunities can mean a

1217
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: lot of things and it all relates to the productivity

1218
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: of your soils on on the on the tillable ground.

1219
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: And one thing you might want to make yourself familiar

1220
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: with is what's called the n c c p I rating,

1221
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: which stands for the National Commodity Crop Production in depths

1222
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: and that number usually as as arranged up to about

1223
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: a hundred, so you'll see n c c p I

1224
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: ratings of anywhere from say forty or fifty on the

1225
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: low end, all the way up to eighties and nineties

1226
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: on the good productive farmland. What that means it's too

1227
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: good baseline to compare your productivity of your soils on

1228
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: a national level, So you always want to get bids

1229
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: on your crop ground from from farmers. If you're not comfortable.

1230
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: You need to educate yourself on what the going rates are.

1231
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes a farmer's been paying historically low rant

1232
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: for long long times just because you had a relationship

1233
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: with the previous landowner. But you want to make sure

1234
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: that the current rates that you could get on that

1235
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: property are up to date with what the standard going

1236
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: rates are. Those changes from year to year hundred and

1237
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: fifty dollars all the way up to three dars in

1238
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: the past, you know, per acred on on ground. So

1239
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: make sure you're into with the going rates and don't

1240
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: cut yourself short. If you'd like to learn more and

1241
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: to see the properties that time currently has listed for sale,

1242
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: visit white tail properties dot com. Backslash James that's j A. M. E.

1243
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: S Something kind of jumping to a different topic than now. Um.

1244
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: I saw a video of yours you were in and

1245
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: you were talking about how some your absolute favorite places

1246
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: to hunt our river bottoms. You love hunting the river bottoms.

1247
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned a property it was like along

1248
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River those types of places, is um, can

1249
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: you talk about what makes that kind of scenario unique

1250
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: and then how you hunt that. You know, we're hunting

1251
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: river bottoms and it's it's really not different than anything, um,

1252
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: any other places. It is flat and so terrain. There's

1253
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: not a lot of terrain change, is not a lot

1254
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: of funnels unless you have slums or some oxbow type

1255
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: lakes that you can catch the deer on. Um. I

1256
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: guess why I like the river bottom so much, is

1257
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: it's just it's just where it is. It's two sounds

1258
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: as the smells. Um. You know, the river bottoms can

1259
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: be tough. I mean when the Mississippi River is up,

1260
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: it's mean. But if you weigh out the pros and

1261
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: cons of having to deal with floodwater mainly in the springtime,

1262
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, the benefits of that are so good where

1263
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm willing to deal with the high water half the

1264
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: year to reap the benefits of the falling winter that

1265
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 1: that it creates. Um. But as far as being there,

1266
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's just a terrain. It's just

1267
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: a place I enjoy being yea. Um. If you're really nothing,

1268
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: not much else I can say other than it's just

1269
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: just one of my favorite places to be. Yeah. Do

1270
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: you ever use rivers and water like that to access locations?

1271
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: Is that a part of of how you get in

1272
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: and out of places. Ever, Um, it depends when the

1273
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: when the Mississippi River is low. We have a lot

1274
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: of Mississippi River fronting, so when the river is low,

1275
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: that's really not you know, we don't really have that

1276
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: option to do that when the river seth the river

1277
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: gets somewhat high in in the wintertime. UM, I love

1278
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: to have my boat, and yes, we use that the

1279
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: access places a lot. It's a great way to get

1280
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: in and out. Um. You know, once that water starts

1281
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: coming up, then then we start having those funnel situations

1282
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: that that we don't have the rest of the year

1283
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: because they're gonna follow that edge. And um man has

1284
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: some fun hunt when when the water gets up, because

1285
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: you can it makes them easier to hunt. Not only

1286
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: does it put them on the higher points, but it

1287
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: also creates more places for you to ambush the round

1288
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: water or cross and shallow spots or um that. But

1289
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, boat hunting is a is a great way

1290
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, I imagine that something that folks

1291
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: could kind of use that kind of idea even when

1292
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: hunting maybe public land or big timber land where maybe

1293
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: there's not these natural funnels like you might see between

1294
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: a couple of big corn fields a little pinch of

1295
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: timber between. That's kind of like your prototypical pinch point

1296
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: that everyone shows on, you know, on the outdoor channel

1297
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: or something. But would you say, there's a lot of

1298
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: opportunities like this where maybe there's swampy ground and a

1299
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: high point in between, or little points that extend out

1300
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: into water. Um are those kinds of things that people

1301
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: could key in on, maybe in scenarios where they don't

1302
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: have the agg field easy stuff. Yeah, yeah, or you

1303
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: could create that if you're in a situation. You know,

1304
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: that just comes down to some good old scout and

1305
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: foot time finding places like that in river entry and

1306
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: flat flat ground. But a lot of times if you

1307
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: can create a corridor, so if you cut a block

1308
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: a timber, say it can be five a because it

1309
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: can be ten acres or whatever, and I'll go in

1310
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: there and flag a corridor and leaves a corridor right

1311
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: through the middle of it where they don't cut a tree.

1312
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: And that serves two things. It's an access point to

1313
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: get in and out of your stand, and it also

1314
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: gives you that edge effect because you know those dear

1315
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: love to walk those edges. And scrape and rub and

1316
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: and the deer going to travel those easy places as

1317
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: long as they're comfortable there, you know they're going to

1318
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: walk out of that thick stuff and use that corridor

1319
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: order to move up and down as well as if

1320
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: you've got some acrontries in there. It just serves as

1321
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: a perfect place for the morning or egon to move

1322
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: because there it's within there sanctuary area, but it's open

1323
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: and they can travel to and from just like we can.

1324
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: It gives us access point that's easy to get in

1325
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: and out. That that tracking with me on that. Yeah,

1326
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: they're like that path of least resistance and they can

1327
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: get it right right and and something else you can

1328
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: do is uh will Primos and I did did this

1329
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: a lot. We we call it a sneaky roads. So

1330
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: you get you get a clear cut or you get

1331
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: a section that's thick. It can anybody can do this.

1332
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: You don't have to create if they stick, but go

1333
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: in there and just cut you a trail through that

1334
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: thick stuff. And we we we I would access it

1335
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 1: one time a year with a six ft bush halk

1336
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: and make one pass through there and never go in

1337
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: there again. And you cannot and what you're doing is

1338
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: you're making your own deer trail and you're making those

1339
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: deer come out where you want them to and it.

1340
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: But don't ever go in there, you know, unless unless

1341
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: you shoot one and you track him in there. But

1342
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: if you if you'll do that, you'd be surprised how

1343
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: many deer come out of that thick stuff, come out

1344
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: right in your food plot, come out right by your

1345
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: your your bottom, or your where you have oak trees.

1346
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you just you can make that scenario wherever

1347
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: your spot is, and that can be in any part

1348
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 1: of the country. But just create a little deer trail,

1349
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: but you gotta stay out of it. You can't go

1350
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: in there for nothing. Yeah, yeah, creating your own little

1351
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: funnels almost, that's what it's doing. Yeah. You just give

1352
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: them a place to walk easy. And it's not a

1353
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: big you know, it's not a it's a bigger than

1354
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: the normal deer tral obviously, but it's just that they're

1355
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: comfortable using its path of least resistance and they use

1356
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: it so much. Are there any other little things you

1357
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: do like that on a property to to manipulate or

1358
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: influence movement a little bit? I mean, other than we

1359
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: talked about making big betting areas, we talked about making

1360
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 1: food plots. But are there any of these smaller tweaks

1361
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: that you that you add that can just kind of

1362
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: give your properties a little bit more of an edge

1363
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: for you? Um, you know that's really good. That's that's

1364
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: really about. What we talked about is is the main

1365
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: nuts and boats of it, But that the cover portion

1366
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: is my focus. I know focuses on food, food, food,

1367
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: and it is extremely important. But if you got cover

1368
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: cover first, in my mind, food second, you can create

1369
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: the cover and the places to for them to be.

1370
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: It just can't be beaten. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I

1371
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: wanna I want to reframe a little bit of the

1372
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: conversation as we go for I'm kind of curious about

1373
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: some specific examples, um, from a hunting standpoint, or maybe

1374
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: maybe it could be habitat. But do you have you know,

1375
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: if you could look back at last season maybe or

1376
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: the season before, you maybe want to pick a couple

1377
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: a couple of successful hunts where you kill the mature buck.

1378
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: Maybe um that you remember, well, could you walk us

1379
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: through a couple of those where Okay, I killed buck

1380
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: X it was in this scenario and and this is

1381
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: why it worked. Like if you could point to one

1382
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: or two key things for each of those successful hunts,

1383
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: would be really interested to hear how that success came

1384
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: about and what you think you could attribute it to.

1385
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: Do you have a couple of examples like that you

1386
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: could share with us, Yeah, I think I have one

1387
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: really really good one. So two years ago I found

1388
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: this not at all or striped oak as we call

1389
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: them not all tree. This is at cotton Mouth, at

1390
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: that promost place, and I actually shot a dough and

1391
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: I was trailing that dough and I found this tree

1392
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: had gnawed. It was there and it was on the

1393
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: edge of a slough and they were absolutely just killing it.

1394
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: So I got a slew here, I got the tree,

1395
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen yards off the sloop. But the problem

1396
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: is there was no no places to put a tree standing,

1397
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be able to I had to

1398
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: hunt on the north wind, up against the water. So

1399
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: we went in there in October and kind of tried

1400
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: to figure it out. We you know, we didn't want

1401
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: to go in there later in the year, and they

1402
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: really got to use it because the tree wasn't dropping in.

1403
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: So we took a ground blind a double ground blind

1404
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: and set it up in there in October and we

1405
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: never went back in there until December. And we snuck

1406
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: in one mid one day across the water. It's about needy,

1407
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: just got hit boots on and and and saw the

1408
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: sign there was a blinds there already. So I think

1409
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: what was key to this working was we put the

1410
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: blind in there, you know, early, so when the when

1411
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: the acron started following, the deer started coming to feed

1412
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: on that acron, try the blind was there, and of

1413
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: course we had brushed in them. And and so we

1414
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: waited till the perfect conditions got in there. I think

1415
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: it was like the first week of January maybe, and

1416
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: we Lake Pickle and I he was running the camera

1417
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: that day, and we eased in there across that water,

1418
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: gotten that blind, and we weren't there thirty minutes. And

1419
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: this is kind of one of those sanctuary places. Were

1420
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: on the edge of it and had a ten point

1421
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: come out. I shot it's like a hundred forty in

1422
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: the year um, eighteen yards. He never even looked at that, didn't.

1423
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean, he was so comfortable in that spot. So

1424
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: I say that give you another scenario. We set that up,

1425
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, two or three months before we knew we

1426
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: were going to hunt it. This goes back with food

1427
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: plots too. If you'll put a a blind on the

1428
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: food plot the same day you plan it, or just

1429
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: before it greens up, I mean, they never spook from

1430
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: it because you know they come out there, they expect

1431
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: to change, it's different, and you something went on there.

1432
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: But when it starts greening up and they come out

1433
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: there to feed and and your blinds already there, you're

1434
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: staying or whatever, then they don't think twice about it.

1435
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: But if you come put a blind in there, say

1436
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: a month after they've been feeding there, and if you

1437
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: don't do an excellent job brushing it in and hiding it,

1438
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna a lot of times you'll pick it out

1439
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: and it might take them a while to get back

1440
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: comfortable there. So, um, I guess the important my point

1441
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: is is is really you know, think ahead on your

1442
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: spots and how you set them up, and you know

1443
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: those those blinds are not extremely expensive. And if you

1444
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: if you set two or three am up in places

1445
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna use later in the year, whether

1446
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: be on a food plotter on an a country or whatever,

1447
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: a country, whatever, they're feeding on apple tree, like you

1448
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, once that blinds there from from day one

1449
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: when they start feeding there. I think you're golden. Yeah.

1450
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: Do you think that that access route helped you out too,

1451
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: because it sounds like you came through the water, so

1452
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: you probably avoided walking through or near that best cover?

1453
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: Was that something that was pretty cy to that as well,

1454
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, you're walking into place

1455
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: and you jump a deer. I mean that can really

1456
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: be a domino effect in a lot of weights. One

1457
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: deer gets up another deer, another deer gets up another deer.

1458
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: Before you know it, you know, you just disrupted the

1459
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: whole thing, um and you put them on alert, and

1460
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: the chances are they're not coming back that way that afternoon.

1461
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: So you definitely you know you're you're you're you're route

1462
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: that you get to your stand. You wanted to be

1463
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: as at least two creasy as possible. Yeah, you mentioned

1464
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: you you were in there walking around you you spotted

1465
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: this this tree, this oak tree. Um you're scouting on

1466
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: assuming in some way could you could I guess one

1467
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: of my trys say here, when you scout a new

1468
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: property or maybe even the property found in the past,

1469
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: but you're there again. Um, is there anything you're doing

1470
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: or anything you're looking for specifically that's unique compared to

1471
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: like the cookie cutter scout scouting that we hear about

1472
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: and most people walk, they look for robs, to look

1473
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: for scrapes, they look for sign. Um, Is there anything

1474
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: more than that that you're focusing on our unique that

1475
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: um that you've picked up over the years is something

1476
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: important to key in on. Yes, And and then we'll

1477
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: go back to pretty much I'm a broken record on

1478
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: this cover cover cover because if I find the cover,

1479
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find the deer. Then I can find where

1480
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: they go from there. Um. I mean, I might find

1481
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: the biggest, prettiest oak tree in the woods that's got

1482
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: a ton of deer sign and put a camera on it,

1483
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, man, they're killing this tree. But

1484
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: most of us at night, chances are you know that

1485
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: tree is a is a long way from where those

1486
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: deer are living. And Um, so I want to find

1487
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 1: where I want to find their their home per first.

1488
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: Once I figure that out, it kind of falls into

1489
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: place the trails and and that kind of thing. Yeah,

1490
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: So if you find a great patch of cover you

1491
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: identify Okay, yeah, this is this is a home base

1492
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: for for a dough family group or some bucks or something.

1493
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: What do you do from that point? Do you just identify, okay,

1494
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: here's covering you market mental in your in your head,

1495
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: or do you then dive in there and look for

1496
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: specific beds or are you trying to identify each trail

1497
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: that comes out of there, or are you planning stand

1498
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: locations around the edges. I'm just kind of curious where

1499
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: your head goes after that point. Yes, trails and ages.

1500
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: Never would I go in there, but you know, not

1501
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: not not if I'm just traveling to a new place now,

1502
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: maybe in February or March. I would love to go

1503
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: in there after the season and figure out what's going

1504
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: on for the next year. But if it's say October

1505
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: and not, man, this is just a lot of deer

1506
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: sign here. I want to figure out that trails and

1507
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to stalk hunting the edges, you know,

1508
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: and and and not be too aggressive to start with.

1509
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: You know, if if a guy only has two days

1510
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: a week to hunt, you know, he may he may

1511
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: need to be a little more aggressive because he just

1512
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: don't have the time. Um, but if he's got a

1513
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: week to hunt or two weeks to hunt, you know,

1514
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: spend a day or two on the edges and try

1515
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on and then then get

1516
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: aggressive if if your time allows for that. Yeah, So

1517
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: walk me through that kind of process to let's say,

1518
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: because you know, it seems like you travel quite a

1519
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,879
Speaker 1: bit to hunt and when you start a new property,

1520
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: you kind of gave us a very high level there

1521
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: of how maybe starting the edge and work your way in.

1522
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: But could you give us a little more detail of

1523
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: what you might what you're hunting approach might be if

1524
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: you if you showed up on a new property, you've

1525
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: got one week, let's say you've got seven days to

1526
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: hunt it. Um, could you walk us through a hypothetical

1527
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: of how you might start and then how that might

1528
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: evolve through that seven day period. M hm, Well, I

1529
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: would I drive through it obviously first. And of course,

1530
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: with all the apping products that are out there today,

1531
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: you know you can do so much before you ever

1532
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: even get to that property. You can almost know that

1533
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: property before you you even get there to hunt. Um,

1534
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: and I try to identify a couple of places that

1535
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: I think may be good for him, and may be

1536
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: good for winds um and and try to take it easy.

1537
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: And another thing I don't like to do is hunt

1538
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: in the bottom. I like to try to stay on

1539
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 1: top just because of the wind. Um. I've had so

1540
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: many tough hunts where when you're down low, that wind

1541
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: just swirls so bad. But if you're on top of

1542
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: the ridge, it usually stays pretty consistent. Um. And the

1543
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: way I explain this to people, if you think about

1544
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: a rock in a stream, so that water flowing down

1545
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: that stream and it goes over that rock, what does

1546
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: it do on the back side. It's just twisting and twirling.

1547
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: That's the same thing the wind does when it comes

1548
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: over a ridge, and it just twists over that ridge,

1549
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: and it's just it's it's real hard to get consistent

1550
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: wind in a in a bottom. And I experienced that

1551
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: much more in your part of the world and in

1552
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: the Midwest, and I half here in the South, but

1553
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: there is some places in the South that that you've

1554
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: got to be careful too. Um. So I keep that

1555
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: in mind. Looking for high ridges, I'm looking for cover.

1556
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: And you know, many times you can just look at

1557
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: the trails and figure out what's going on and if

1558
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: you obviously, if you're hunting the rood, I'm looking for

1559
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: the most number of those and the most looking for

1560
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 1: the highest concentration of deer on that that property. And

1561
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: that's where I want to key in on, because if

1562
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: you only have seven days to hunt, you mean you

1563
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: you really don't have a lot of time to put

1564
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: trail cameras out and try to find a I told

1565
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: you Buck that you would if you were hunting this

1566
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: place all year. So yeah, just just think about the wind,

1567
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: the cover, and the highest concentration of deer would be

1568
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: my first focus. Okay, and you mentioned you mentioned cameras

1569
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: and it's snarily that you might not have as much time. Um,

1570
01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: but what's your your typical camera process. Do you use

1571
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: those to identify, you know, an inventory of deer in

1572
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: the area, or you big on actually using the try

1573
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: to pattern deer in some way or what's what's the

1574
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: way you use that tool. I think it's a combination

1575
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: of both. Um. You know, we're getting a deer using

1576
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: this area in daylight? Is there a mature deer here?

1577
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: Is he in daylight? Because I you put five cameras

1578
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: out most of the time, you're you're gonna have one

1579
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: or two two bucks. You're like, man, them deer coming

1580
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: out here in daylight. In these other spots, I'm not

1581
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 1: getting any pictures except you know, in the dark. And

1582
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: I think that I think that again refers back to

1583
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: where you're getting close to their their home turf, and

1584
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: and if I can get as close to where they're

1585
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: where they're living without disturbing them, I think you're I

1586
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: think I think your money ahead every time because if

1587
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: they move late in the evenings, you know, I want

1588
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: to be as close as I can be to them

1589
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: without intruding on them because and they might not move

1590
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: to that destination field that's a half mile from where

1591
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: they sleep or a quarter mile from where they sleep,

1592
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: and not get into a dock. So if I can

1593
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: get as close to that as possible, if I can

1594
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: identify where that deer is in the daylight, then then

1595
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: that's where I want to try to beat. Yeah, um

1596
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: to catch that day like movement during the rut, they

1597
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: might be on their feet all day. I'm kind of

1598
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: referring to earlier season or or or a little pre

1599
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 1: rut stuff. Act. Yeah, what kind of places do you

1600
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: like to set your cameras up on to to learn

1601
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:37,520
Speaker 1: some of the stuff. You know. It just just depends. Um.

1602
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: Usually a food source is a good source. The edge

1603
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,959
Speaker 1: of a field, catching those deer, and if you can

1604
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: create those little sneaky roads I mentioned earlier, or those

1605
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 1: corridors um, or you do have a funnel at the

1606
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: end of the lake where they're crossing, at the end

1607
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 1: of a slough, um a natural corridor. I mean, I

1608
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: try to just put them in places like that, just

1609
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: just where I think you know, where do your movie

1610
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: for frequent Yeah, yeah, many food, I guess is what

1611
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: we all focus on. So I feel like, uh, I

1612
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: feel like we need to we need to wrap this

1613
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: one up here in a little bit. I don't want

1614
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: to keep you too long, bread, but I've got I've

1615
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: got a couple more questions here, um that are a

1616
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit different direction. But if if

1617
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: you were to have, like your best hunting buddies sit

1618
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: down here with us. If if you and your best

1619
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: hunting buddies and we're all sitting down here talking about

1620
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: talking about dear if I were to ask them what

1621
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 1: it is that Brad does best or what makes Brad

1622
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: a successful deer hunter, if you had to guess what

1623
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: your best hunting buddies would say about you? What do

1624
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: you think they would point a finger at. What do

1625
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: you think they would point to? Is your kind of

1626
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: unique superpower or whatever might be that that makes it

1627
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: work for you. Oh, that's a good question. I'm not

1628
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 1: good at talking about myself. This is your buddies that

1629
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: your bodies are talking about. I don't know if my

1630
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: buddy that they would probably slay stuff. And I couldn't

1631
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: say right, right, buddy, to do right? You know, buddy,

1632
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: you can say anything to your buddy and uh yeah,

1633
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: we'll give you each other hard time. But I guess

1634
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: I guess probably one one thing that that that I'm

1635
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: probably most proud of is just being able to anticipate anticipation.

1636
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: Like we've been talking about create that spot scouts spent

1637
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: plenty of times scouting after the season February March, i'

1638
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: musically only one scout I placed him. Everybody else is

1639
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: tired to hunting. That's when I find out probably the

1640
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: most information that I stroll away for the next year. Um,

1641
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: But I think anticipating, being able to figure out and

1642
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: be patient about it is is I think one thing

1643
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: that that helps me the most that seems to be.

1644
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: If there's any one thing I could point to that

1645
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: across the people I've talked to, you know, talk to

1646
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: some of the most of the best deer hunters across

1647
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: the entire country over the last four years. Almost every

1648
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: one of them can point to that is a key

1649
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: thing they focus on is scouting, scouting, scouting, scouting, really

1650
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: focusing on learning your property. Learning is dear. Um, a

1651
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: lot of people prioritize scouting over actually hunting in many cases. Um,

1652
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: so that that that doesn't surprise me. That's something that

1653
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: you do well. Now. One one model I have that

1654
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: I that I live by hunting west is I'd rather

1655
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: spend a little time in a good place and a

1656
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: lot of time in a bad place. Yeah, and I

1657
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: always know there's a better place. Now. I might not

1658
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: be able to go find it this hunting season, but

1659
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure it out after the season, and I'm

1660
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: gonna be ready for that the next year. Yeah. Um,

1661
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: that's so. So you you gotta be able to do

1662
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: that and ain't work for everybody based on their time

1663
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: and what they do, And you might have to get

1664
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: a little more aggressive, but man, if you can, but hey,

1665
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: how much fun is it too. That's what I like

1666
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: about deer so much, is it's turned into a year

1667
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: round i'most say, year around sports, and you know, and

1668
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: that's that's why I think that's where all of us

1669
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: deer hunters sharing common is is it is a year

1670
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: around sport. We're thinking about we're finding sheds for scouting

1671
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: in February, March, um, you know, getting our summer stuff

1672
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: ready in May and June, and they start to put

1673
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: cameras at July. Seeing how biggie books are gonna be

1674
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: this year. Who doesn't love that the first book pictures

1675
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: of the year. I mean, Christmas morning right there. It is.

1676
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: We're like a bunch of kids, and you know, it's

1677
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a little and I'm like, I said,

1678
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to my Camp's been next week there on

1679
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: the doza um doing some plots that I figured out

1680
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: last winter that I'm you know, I had to wait

1681
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 1: until I could create them to do some changing of

1682
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: them now. And then we got vetch planeted in soybeans

1683
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: and we got cameras out on some or lick. So yeah,

1684
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: I got a fun week. It's just like it's much

1685
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: fun if like open a week for me. Yeah, in

1686
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 1: the process the projects and the process or yeah, man,

1687
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: who we load. And I think some of the best

1688
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: hunters I know that. You mean, they've never even ever

1689
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: seen him on TV, None of us have because they

1690
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: just they are just good, hard working love the hunt

1691
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: in their private but their biggest thing is they spend

1692
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: the time figuring stuff out. Yeah. Yeah, they send way

1693
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: more time feeding out where that tree is and they

1694
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: you're just sitting in the tree. Now, what about this?

1695
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,719
Speaker 1: If we're in the same room with your buddies again,

1696
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: And I asked them, what does Brad do that you

1697
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: think is just crazy? If there's something you do that's

1698
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: that everyone else thinks is bizarre, but you you say, no,

1699
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean this works, or I'm going to do this

1700
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: every year because I just have seen it work, or

1701
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 1: something like that. But everyone else thinks you're kind of

1702
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: weird because you do it. Is there anything like that

1703
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: you can think of that they would that they'd call out, Yeah,

1704
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't hunt mornings at all except during the rut

1705
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: as it explain that because well and what I what

1706
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: I think I figured out, what I believe is, you know,

1707
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: you find all these good places, well, when you walk

1708
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 1: in there, the deer will be mostly on their feet

1709
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,759
Speaker 1: at night, the mature deer. And you walk in there

1710
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: to that spot, so you got to say country or

1711
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: whatever you're hunting, or this food plots you created, you

1712
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: walk in and you spooked him there out of there, Well,

1713
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: who knows where they're going to end up bed. They

1714
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: might they might end up two or three d yards

1715
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: further away from this spot then they they only would Well,

1716
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,679
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get that tool that afternoon to adult.

1717
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: And you I feel like a lot of times I'm

1718
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: changing my afternoon, my afternoon chances if I hunt morens

1719
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: in some good places because the risk of spook and

1720
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: stuff is so much better getting there before daylight or

1721
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 1: right at daylight than it is, you know, it to

1722
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: an afternoon when everybody's sleep and comfortable. So I just

1723
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: I just stay at the woods in the morning until

1724
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: until rout time. Yeah, yeah, because and everything changes in Yeah,

1725
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen a similar thing too early season

1726
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: in late season, just as it seems like those morning

1727
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: hunts are low chances of success, high chances of risk

1728
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: of of screwing things up, while those afternoon hunts are

1729
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: low chance of of spooking things when you go in there,

1730
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: but high chances for an opportunity, So the odds are

1731
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: much more in your favor for those evening hunts. And

1732
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: if you don't screw it up in the morning, it's

1733
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 1: that much better, yea. So I just take it. I'll

1734
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: take it easy and shoot my bow, or go look

1735
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: at a new place, or go squirrel hunting if this

1736
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: early season. I mean, I enjoy squirrel hunting as much

1737
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: as anything. And you know, um just still have plenty

1738
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: to do in the outdoors, and I just man, I'm careful, careful,

1739
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 1: careful with my good spots. Yeah, yeah, final question, and

1740
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: you kind of you already answer this a little bit,

1741
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: so you feel free to go back on your first

1742
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: answer or or give me something different. But you've spent

1743
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: time around a lot of great deer hunters, some of

1744
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:15,799
Speaker 1: the very best out there, whether it be the premost

1745
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: crew or other folks with white tailed properties, or just

1746
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 1: friends of ours or friends of yours that we've never

1747
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: heard of. But if you were to look at all

1748
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: the very best deer hunters you know, and if you

1749
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: could then circle what they all have in common, is

1750
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: there anything that you could point to as like this

1751
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: is that core common Maybe it's a habit or an

1752
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: attitude or a tactic that that they all seem to

1753
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: have in common. What would that be? Well, you know,

1754
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: like we said, anticipation and being able to figure when

1755
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: that deer is going to be um is number one.

1756
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: Secondly is patience. You know another another thing and I

1757
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: don't do it, um, but I know guys that you

1758
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: know they're getting a tree at nine or ten in

1759
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: the morning and stay there the whole day and then

1760
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: and they have that. Those are those are the guys

1761
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: I look up to. They have the patients to sit

1762
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: there and I have before when I went again. But

1763
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: it's just not something I enjoyed the camp life. I'd

1764
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 1: rather hang around with my family and friends and laugh.

1765
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: Um didn't hunt the afternoon. But but yeah, anticipation and patience,

1766
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: but but knowe when when when to spend those when

1767
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: to use those patients. Don't go sit in the spot

1768
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: thinking you might get lucky if if you're you know,

1769
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,560
Speaker 1: if you're in that spot in the condition, don't right, Yeah,

1770
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: like I said, that goes back to spend spend a

1771
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 1: little time in a good spot and way better than

1772
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot of time in a bad spot. Yeah, that's

1773
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: a that's a great little reminder just to keep in

1774
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: the back of your head during the season. There's a

1775
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: lot of times where it's easy to you know, I

1776
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: think something that I've been guilty of in the past,

1777
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of other people have talked

1778
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: about where you you can sometimes get comfortable where all, well,

1779
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: I've already got to stand here. I don't really want

1780
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: to tear down this stand, or or go grab a

1781
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: new stand hanging up in a new spot, or I

1782
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: don't really want to be kind of inconvenient to have

1783
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: to go walk around to find this new area, or

1784
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: to maybe I saw mature buck moving a couple of

1785
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: times over three yards away. But to your point, just

1786
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: always remind yourself a little bit of time in the

1787
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: best spot, in the right spot is so much more

1788
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: valuable than being comfortable and lazy in the spot that's

1789
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,600
Speaker 1: already set up but not as good. Yeah, and I

1790
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: always have a you know, if you have a ground

1791
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: line and a climbate stand, and obviously we haven't written

1792
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 1: to hang on, yes, you have those just pretty much

1793
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: not much scenario, Sarah, you can't figure out. But I

1794
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 1: love a climate stand for what you just said. You know,

1795
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 1: so you got your thoughts set up and based on

1796
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: your scouting efforts, and you were a little bit off,

1797
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: a little wrong, and or the deer not where I

1798
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: thought they'd be there Holy yards over there. Well I'll

1799
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 1: try that if the conditions are right, but I'll take

1800
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: a climber in there, you know, early afternoon, one of

1801
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: too o' clock. Ease in there, climb a tree and

1802
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: see how that goes. But what I also believe that

1803
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: I never do is leave a climber in there. We're

1804
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: not because you've been touching it, you've been sitting on it,

1805
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: and you might as well just leave your shirt hanging there.

1806
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: So I'll always take the climber back off the tree

1807
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: and he's out of it. And you know, I found

1808
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: good spots that way, and then you you just learned

1809
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: year after year where you need to to kind of refocus.

1810
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, climbers are good, just don't leave them in

1811
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: there overnight if you're in a hot spot. Yeah. Yeah,

1812
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 1: I feel like you see a lot of guys who

1813
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: will just leave them connect to the bottom of the

1814
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 1: tree if they're gonna go back in there. But to

1815
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: your point, it's just a huge scent bomb. Probably you're

1816
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: just sitting there. You might as well just sit there

1817
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: all night. Yeah man, Well, uh, Brett, I've really I've

1818
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: really enjoyed this. I appreciate you taking the time to

1819
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,759
Speaker 1: to talk through all these different ideas and and stories

1820
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 1: and everything. And if people if people want to see

1821
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: what you've got going on with primost or if they

1822
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: want to learn more about what you're doing with the

1823
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 1: white Tail property is or anything like that, you know,

1824
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: where can they find that stuff online? Well, of course

1825
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: the premos. You got the premos dot Com. It's where

1826
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: they you know, where they have all the premo stuff

1827
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,520
Speaker 1: and they we do a lot of stuff on premos

1828
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: on the YouTube. On the YouTube channel they have to

1829
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: as far as tips and tactics and basically a lot

1830
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: of the same stuff all those guys do about what

1831
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: you and I've been discussing today. And then you know

1832
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 1: far as white Tail Properties goes, if you go to

1833
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 1: whitetail properties dot com and um go to my page,

1834
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: you can see all the listings that that I have there,

1835
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: and we have we have a lot of good stuff

1836
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: on with all things to do with land on there too,

1837
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: with our land Beat series on people can learn a

1838
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: lot of the same things we've been discussing. They the

1839
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: video team, they're White Til Properties, have created some great

1840
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: short clips on how to do land stuff, like you know,

1841
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: Hen's cutting and all that management practices. Yeah, yeah, I've

1842
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: been I've been following that video series and they're definitely

1843
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 1: doing a good job. And same with Premos. I've really

1844
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: enjoyed the YouTube channel that you guys have been putting

1845
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: together there and a lot of quality stuff. So highly

1846
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: recommend the bull checking out both of those. Well, thank you. Well,

1847
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: it's um definitely been a fun time vision with you

1848
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 1: and kind of got me thinking, Man, I'm I'm that

1849
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,679
Speaker 1: much more ready to go check out some of my stuff.

1850
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to next week. Yeah, yeah, me too.

1851
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: I think. I think as soon as we get off

1852
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: the line here, I'm gonna head out and do some

1853
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 1: spraying of food plots, hang a couple of cameras and

1854
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: just get right to it. Well nice, nice, well, well,

1855
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: good deal. We'll be safe out there, and I hope

1856
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: you have a wonderful and successful fall. Yeah, same to you, Bred,

1857
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:37,560
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, And that is it for today's episodes.

1858
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 1: So just my usual reminder, if you haven't left a

1859
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 1: rating or review for the podcast on iTunes, would appreciate that.

1860
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 1: Make sure you're subscribed there as well. Also make sure

1861
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: you subscribed to our YouTube channel and follow me on

1862
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: the Wired Hunt Instagram account. A lot of fun stuff

1863
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: coming up in September once my hunting season kicks off,

1864
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: so check that out. And most importantly, I just want

1865
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: to thank you all for being here, Thanks listening, thanks

1866
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: for sharing this this time with me today. Maybe you

1867
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 1: were on the treadmill, or driving to work or at work,

1868
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, we appreciate you tuning in. So

1869
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: until next time, thanks and stay Wired to Hunt.