Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show Ghosts Planets
Speaker 1: taunted guys everybody off, from ghostly worms to eight armed
Speaker 1: specters to ghost bats far scarier than any vampire. We've
Speaker 1: got a passion for possession when it comes to these
Speaker 1: cute hauntings. Discover this more as we answer the asual
Speaker 1: question what are ghost dogs? A very import taste sequel
Speaker 1: to air Bud joining me today to gab about all
Speaker 1: things Ghostly is corporeal being and host of the Small
Speaker 1: Beans Podcast Network show Rough Stuff Bridge at Greeberg. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's me not a ghost. Yeah. I like that you're
Speaker 1: not a ghost because that I can always say that
Speaker 1: whenever I walk into her room. I just want people
Speaker 1: to be sure. No, it makes me happy. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's Bridget and she's not ghost. Hey what about that?
Speaker 1: How about that? I like to make people feel comfortable
Speaker 1: around me. Yeah. Yeah. I like to assure people of
Speaker 1: my tangibility whenever possible, Like I'll just touch their face
Speaker 1: like see tangible, tangible, tangible. Yeah, no, you you never
Speaker 1: know in these days, and like you gotta make sure, like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't throw me into a wall. I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: through it, right right, Yeah, And it's like I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna Bruce willis Ya in the sixth sense. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna like develop a relationship with me and then be like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I'm a ghost the whole time. Whoops, can't pay rent. No,
Speaker 1: I'm very right about sorry only ghosts books. We call
Speaker 1: them boo books. Yeah, I don't have anything better than that.
Speaker 1: There's got to be something better. Podcast over, we did it,
Speaker 1: We did it. We did that, says that's the highest part.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get it. Are you scared of ghosts? Bridget Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't think I believe. I don't think I believe
Speaker 1: in ghosts, is how I put it to say, no,
Speaker 1: because I'm a big brave girl. But it's hard not
Speaker 1: to believe in ghosts, like at four in the morning
Speaker 1: when like you're like woken up by a creek but
Speaker 1: generally not like an otherworldly person. Yeah. No, I'm the
Speaker 1: same way. I You know, I'm very open minded about
Speaker 1: the universe, but I don't I don't believe in ghosts
Speaker 1: as sort of like what what we describe as a ghost,
Speaker 1: like you know, a spectral being that haunts the earth
Speaker 1: and floats around you know what I mean, Like like
Speaker 1: maybe there's some weird secret of the universe, like supernatural,
Speaker 1: but some science thing that we haven't discovered when it
Speaker 1: comes just some sort of like energy kind of thing,
Speaker 1: right like time and time and space salt, like a
Speaker 1: space ghost host disco coast space coast space space ghast.
Speaker 1: I love that showing as a kid, but yeah, uh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: but I don't really believe in the hauntings of specters. Um,
Speaker 1: but when it is the middle of the night and
Speaker 1: I wake up suddenly, I do believe in ghosts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I even get sleep paralysis where I'm like, oh it's ghosts,
Speaker 1: Oh darn it. Yeah yeah. So yeah generally, yeah, not
Speaker 1: not a person who would be like that, that's a ghost.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's a ghost. But yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: I was when I was a kid, my my mom's
Speaker 1: side of the family lived in this like creaky wooden
Speaker 1: cabin in Vermont. There if there were ghosts anywhere, like
Speaker 1: they they were there. Vermont is super haunted, very haunted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, there's no Internet and it's pitch black there.
Speaker 1: So if sure, if there's a ghost there, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe these animals can prove me wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like dark, long hallways at night because that's
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's like, look, I don't believe
Speaker 1: in ghosts, but just to be safe, I don't want
Speaker 1: to walk down a dark hallway at night. If a
Speaker 1: ghost was going to eat me, that would probably be it, right,
Speaker 1: that's like yeah. Also, it's unclear what ghosts do except
Speaker 1: for like generally mess with people. I thought that they
Speaker 1: could eat you. But maybe I'm wrong. I thought ghosts
Speaker 1: couldn't eat I'm going on Casper rules here. I thought
Speaker 1: it was more of a like body takeover. I feel
Speaker 1: like I remember seeing him like someone was like puffing
Speaker 1: smoke out of a pipe and he was able to
Speaker 1: eat the smoke puffs like doughnuts or something. Maybe maybe,
Speaker 1: because because what is a ghost if not smoke? So
Speaker 1: speaking of Casper, though, you get a Casper, let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. Let's talk about the friendly little ghost that
Speaker 1: was discovered in the ocean. This is called the ghost
Speaker 1: octopus Casper octopus because it looks like Casper. The friendly ghost.
Speaker 1: It does. It's pretty cute. I never know going on
Speaker 1: this show. I'm like, I'm pretty sure something's going to
Speaker 1: creep me out. This guy, I like him. This show
Speaker 1: is se cute. Yeah, and then uh, thirty five percent
Speaker 1: M bad. I haven't. I haven't. Yeah, there's no. I
Speaker 1: haven't come across a lot of mediums. I either like
Speaker 1: super like the thing or I'm horrified by it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on the good side. He's a good guy. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I don't know if zoomers can relate.
Speaker 1: But Casper the friendly ghost, he was that ghost with
Speaker 1: the big head, and he was friendly and he would
Speaker 1: be add because he'd scare people. But then in the
Speaker 1: end he usually made friends. I think, yeah, he made
Speaker 1: friends with Christina Ricci famously. Yes, yes, I used to
Speaker 1: watch the old like what were they like h GM
Speaker 1: cartoons or something. Uh was like a hand of Barbara
Speaker 1: thing msg MS and b C. I don't know, uh cartoons,
Speaker 1: the old cartoons. And then yeah, he was he was
Speaker 1: a little cutie. There was one. I can't believe this
Speaker 1: didn't traumatize me. But Casper like made friends with a fox,
Speaker 1: a little baby fox, and the fox was like the
Speaker 1: only thing that wasn't scared of Casper, so they were
Speaker 1: like best friends. But then the fox gets it gets killed,
Speaker 1: It's murdered. The little baby Fox gets murdered by a hunter,
Speaker 1: and Casper goes to the baby Fox's grave and cries.
Speaker 1: And then in the end, the baby Fox's ghost comes
Speaker 1: out of the grave and then their friends again. But
Speaker 1: what the I'm sorry, what the f though? What? What
Speaker 1: a what a weird story for children's cartoon? I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it has a happy ending, but at what cost? Right?
Speaker 1: Like the happy India? Is that the baby fox dies,
Speaker 1: but at least it's tortured spirit lives on with Casper.
Speaker 1: I guess a dead boy's ghost as well. And the
Speaker 1: in the Casper logic is that your ghost because you
Speaker 1: have unfinished business? Well you know what that means, right,
Speaker 1: He and Casper, the baby Fox, ghost, and Capsper teaming
Speaker 1: up to go hunt that hunter and drive to madness
Speaker 1: and possibly death. Yeah, like they're gonna team up with
Speaker 1: a ghost of Bambi's mom too. I'm just gonna hunt hunter.
Speaker 1: You know what you did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: I think I should be there should be a Disney
Speaker 1: movie that's just all the dead mom's ghosts coming back
Speaker 1: from Avenge. Yeah, ghosts, ghost avengers, all the dead moms,
Speaker 1: but not the Avengers. They'd have to figure out a
Speaker 1: different name, right exactly. But we were going to talk
Speaker 1: about octopuses. Uh, so let's do that is that is that? Is? That?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Octopuses? It's not all his octopuses. It's
Speaker 1: not octopi actually, because something about the Latin whatever. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna judge you for saying octopi. But I think it
Speaker 1: is technically octopuses, which sounds get yeah, sounds get so
Speaker 1: few you get so few chances to use the pie.
Speaker 1: I know it also sounds cute I octopi, Yeah, way octopi.
Speaker 1: But yes, it's octopus. Yeah. But the ghost octopus is
Speaker 1: a ghostly pale octopus that lives in the deep sea.
Speaker 1: It was discovered off the Hawaiian Archipelago, uh two point
Speaker 1: six miles or four point three kilometers under the sea.
Speaker 1: And this is a relatively new discovery. It was found
Speaker 1: in two sixteen. So here's what we know about the octopus,
Speaker 1: the ghost octopus, which is not that much. It's a
Speaker 1: ghostly pale octopus. Like we said, it looks like Casper
Speaker 1: the friendly ghost with a big, big old head. Technically
Speaker 1: that's called the mantle of the octopus. It is highly
Speaker 1: gelatinous and non muscular, which is interesting because that seems
Speaker 1: to indicate it probably has a slower metabolism and more
Speaker 1: of a floating on by kind of lifestyle, just letting
Speaker 1: the currents take it where it will, right, a big lebowski. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: big lebowski Margharitaville lifestyle for this deep sea ghost octopus.
Speaker 1: And while uh so, it has no pigment and it
Speaker 1: has very small black eyes which may be functional. So
Speaker 1: a lot of deep sea creatures have eyes, but they
Speaker 1: are nonfunctional or they don't have eyes at all. Uh
Speaker 1: these guys seem to have eyes that are probably functional,
Speaker 1: although again we don't really know that much about them.
Speaker 1: There are octopuses who do frequent the deep ocean, but
Speaker 1: they often have fins or wing like protrusions from their mantle,
Speaker 1: like the Dumbo octopus. Have you ever seen the Dumbo octopus? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have that, yeahs yes, yes, but this one doesn't,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty unique discovery for octopus scientists. So
Speaker 1: it means that there is stuff we still don't know
Speaker 1: about like how octopus is adapt to the deep sea,
Speaker 1: Like this guy has a different strategy from the Dumbo octopus.
Speaker 1: So that's very interesting. And I'm guessing this guy doesn't
Speaker 1: change colors. I don't know. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: even know. Probably not though, because if it's totally lacking
Speaker 1: in pigment, I would assume it doesn't have chrome outaphours,
Speaker 1: which are the cells that are able to change color.
Speaker 1: So probably not mhmm. And why would they need to,
Speaker 1: Like if the changing of colors is usually for communication
Speaker 1: and for camouflage, but if everything's dark down there, you
Speaker 1: probably don't need it, right Well, yeah, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: because he's white, he probably stands out in the darkness.
Speaker 1: He's like a little flashlight down there. But you'd have
Speaker 1: to have something reflecting off of the skin. I get
Speaker 1: there is some bioluminescence down there, to be fair, So
Speaker 1: maybe bioluminescent animals could somewhat reflect off of the octopus,
Speaker 1: and like you could get some but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems that that must not be too
Speaker 1: much of an issue for it um but it is
Speaker 1: really weird because it's not like a tiny micro organism
Speaker 1: that was newly discovered. It's it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a handful. It's about five inches long or twelve centimeters,
Speaker 1: so it's relatively it's not a large animal in the
Speaker 1: general since, but it's a large thing to have, uh,
Speaker 1: newly discovered, like just a little over four years ago. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a testament to how unexplored the
Speaker 1: deep ocean is. I mean it's we've been trying. I've
Speaker 1: been exploring it a lot. No not, I'm not like
Speaker 1: telling a scientists that they've been lazy, but you got
Speaker 1: to get down there. Get down there, stop screwing around
Speaker 1: with your weird math, and get down there and find
Speaker 1: us more octopuses. It's just so hard to map the
Speaker 1: entire ocean because it's so big and there's so much
Speaker 1: of it. But it's so thrilling to me that we're
Speaker 1: still discovering things the size of a small octopus down there.
Speaker 1: It's like there must be so many other things we
Speaker 1: haven't discovered yet. It's crazy. The deep ocean is a
Speaker 1: wild but it's just full of aliens. I feel like
Speaker 1: no two fish are similar down there. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like everything you come across it's like that's a strange
Speaker 1: being from another world. And most of the time they
Speaker 1: look like skelet like monster skeletons. But I like this guy.
Speaker 1: He's just a good old He's just a big old blob.
Speaker 1: He's a little blob. He's cast for the friendly blob
Speaker 1: with eyes. For some reason, the eyes thing is so weird, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because a lot of deep sea animals just don't bother
Speaker 1: with eyes, but some of them do, and they use
Speaker 1: the eyes to detect bioluminescence and faint light coming from
Speaker 1: chemical reactions from the bioluminescence, and so yeah, it's it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of nice because I think without
Speaker 1: the eyes it would be a lost spookier, but with
Speaker 1: the eyes is really cute. It's a lot more tolerable looking.
Speaker 1: With the eyes, it looks like it just hangs out
Speaker 1: at the bottom. Yeah, yeah, like it's at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the bottom. Yeah, just kind of blurps around down there.
Speaker 1: Deep sea just blows my mind every time I see
Speaker 1: something new from down there. Well, even outside of the
Speaker 1: deep sea, there are parts of the sea that are
Speaker 1: still really mysterious. Uh, even the open ocean or pelagic stone.
Speaker 1: So this is the area that's really far from the shore,
Speaker 1: and it's not at the bottom of the ocean. It's
Speaker 1: like sort of the center of the ocean, so far
Speaker 1: out to sea, but not deep down at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the sea, so just right in the sweet, gooey
Speaker 1: center of the ocean. And there are a lot of
Speaker 1: weird animals there too. There is something called the Cleopiday worm.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping I pronounced that right, but it is a
Speaker 1: marine worm that looks like a space ghost coast to coast,
Speaker 1: but bridget if you will click on that Twitter I
Speaker 1: think I've seen this. Yeah, it looks like a spaceship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the worm itself looks like a spaceship. When I
Speaker 1: saw this, I thought it was c G I, like
Speaker 1: sci fi c G I. And but it's real. It's
Speaker 1: a real thing. It is a transparent worm that kind
Speaker 1: of looks like a robot or a machine. It's it's
Speaker 1: got all of these segments. It truly looks like some
Speaker 1: kind of weird futuristic invisible spaceship. It looks like just
Speaker 1: from its face. Also the way it moves very like
Speaker 1: in sync with the rest of its body, which is
Speaker 1: weird because it's a very long body, but it looks
Speaker 1: like just a very long shrimp almost, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: because of the eyes, I guess. Yeah. So they're actually
Speaker 1: poly keats, which are a highly diverse class of segmented
Speaker 1: marine worms. The infamous bobbit worm is actually a poly keat.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I had you on the show
Speaker 1: for that one. I usually do try to like horrify you,
Speaker 1: so I might have. But the bobbit warm is this
Speaker 1: ocean warm that hides under the sand and it pops
Speaker 1: out and it like grabs fish big jaw. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't like that at all. And they're sort of they're
Speaker 1: actually kind of pretty because they're those ones are not transparent.
Speaker 1: They are this like iridescent color. But so they're actually
Speaker 1: related to these other marine worms, which in my opinion,
Speaker 1: are far less horrifying than the bobbit warm. Um. But
Speaker 1: these h q p D are just they they're basically
Speaker 1: completely transparent. They kind of almost look like they're long,
Speaker 1: So they're about six inches or fifteen centimeters long, according
Speaker 1: to Assistant Professor Biology Rebecca our Helm, who runs the
Speaker 1: Open Ocean Exploration Twitter account, all linked to her tweet
Speaker 1: that has that lovely video in it. So you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're fairly long, but they about you know, six
Speaker 1: six inches half a foot. But they it's the it's
Speaker 1: that they look like an outline like they're so they're
Speaker 1: segmented worm. They have these segments, they have bristles along
Speaker 1: their sides. They have these two eyes at front, very
Speaker 1: prominent and then antenna. But they it looks like a
Speaker 1: and a vector drying like an outline of a fish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like there's like some sort of shell to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like it would be crunchy. I imagine it
Speaker 1: would be. Yeah. No, I mean like just because they're worms,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they don't have a hard I think
Speaker 1: they have a somewhat firm body. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: like earth worms where they're squishy. Theyre are bristle worms,
Speaker 1: marine bristle worms that can actually have a pretty hard
Speaker 1: uh outer carapace. Good good for them. There's hard bodied worms. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know how these ones are. They look more
Speaker 1: delicate to me than like a bob at worm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think just because well, now you said that it's
Speaker 1: six inches, which is like, I mean, it's not that's
Speaker 1: a big form. If I saw six inch worm, I
Speaker 1: freak out. But like that's still pretty small. So I
Speaker 1: feel like you gotta be you gotta be somewhat loose.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I don't know what it's
Speaker 1: like to be a worm. Well, I imagine it's very hard.
Speaker 1: Maybe just try visualization exercises. Try to visualize what it's
Speaker 1: like to be a worm. I like that little movement
Speaker 1: that you did. Nobody can for this for this visual podcast.
Speaker 1: I I wiggled. I tried to wiggle. Yeah, she did
Speaker 1: a little like like shoulder wiggle, like I'm a little warm,
Speaker 1: very very cool, very good acting. Unfortunately, no one will
Speaker 1: ever see it. But no, you know, that's it's just
Speaker 1: for us. But yeah, basically I could find barely any
Speaker 1: information on this. I'm sure there's some like research on them,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't find it with my terrible Google skills.
Speaker 1: But this tweet says they don't know what they eat,
Speaker 1: so that seems like a pretty basic Uh yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like number one, what does something eat? After what
Speaker 1: does it look like? When you kind of have to
Speaker 1: get a sense of what the animal is. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they guess that it's probably a predator because they have
Speaker 1: such large eyes, which seems to indicate it uses them
Speaker 1: to hunt for things, But still, who knows what does
Speaker 1: it eat? Does it eat you? Did they say how
Speaker 1: far down this thing lives because it looks like it's
Speaker 1: a deep sea creature just basically yeah, I know that's
Speaker 1: actually just because it's at night. They are the the
Speaker 1: pelagic zone is like I said, it's not at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the sea, like, not in the deep sea area.
Speaker 1: It's not at the surface of the sea either. It's
Speaker 1: like right kind of in the middle like that the
Speaker 1: gooey jelly center of the ocean. Okay, yeah, like the
Speaker 1: lukewarm area. Yeah, you're starting to get colder. Start, you're
Speaker 1: starting to get a little pressure. Your organs are starting
Speaker 1: to get a little squeezed. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: thing could get the bends. Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly, it's
Speaker 1: middle ocean, and so it's a vote counts more than
Speaker 1: the good for it, honestly good for it's kind of out.
Speaker 1: But what a weird looking thing. Yeah no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no. Go spat using echo location is better
Speaker 1: than the batmobile. Goos st bat would have killed the
Speaker 1: joker by no ghost bat goosebut goose beat goose but
Speaker 1: so bridget talking about goes bat goes bad. I love
Speaker 1: the falsetto thank you, thank you. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it counts as falsetto, though, I think my voice really
Speaker 1: is just that squeaky no you got up there, thank you.
Speaker 1: So ghost bats they are a real life bat that is,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, way creepier than vampire bats. So vampire
Speaker 1: bats tend to get all the attention and all the
Speaker 1: credit for being creepy being the monsters like Dracula turns
Speaker 1: into vampire bats. But vampire bats are kind of nerds,
Speaker 1: like they are. They sip at blood like they're drinking
Speaker 1: a dakery or something. They're not going out causing all
Speaker 1: sorts of gore. They just kind of go like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go and and sip some blood on this this
Speaker 1: calank and just the way the way you're saying, and
Speaker 1: I pictured in like a martini glass. Yeah, this cow
Speaker 1: blood is strong. Oh my, I'm only going to be
Speaker 1: able to have two of these. Yeah, No, it's it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's they really don't. They're not like vicious predators. They
Speaker 1: just kind of like they're they're parasitic because they do
Speaker 1: drink blood from animals who would probably prefer them not to.
Speaker 1: But they don't generally kill the animals they drink blood from,
Speaker 1: so they're not really that scared we turn them into vampires,
Speaker 1: which is I didn't say that, no, did I nod? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean until I see a cow wearing like a
Speaker 1: cape and or like being a real sexy cow, that's
Speaker 1: likely I won't believe it. But yeah, vampire bats don't
Speaker 1: even murder their victims, whereas ghost bats love murder. Ghost
Speaker 1: bats live in Australia, which should tell you bay sically
Speaker 1: everything you need to know. Yeah, they're horrifying. That means
Speaker 1: they're they're killers. Stone called killers. So what do ghost
Speaker 1: bats look like? I think they're cute, question mark. Some
Speaker 1: of the time they you. So your caption on the
Speaker 1: stock is I'll look at this cutie and I went
Speaker 1: down and I was like, maybe it's cute. But then
Speaker 1: the minute you said it was a killer, I was like,
Speaker 1: now I see it in his eyes. Now it's a killer,
Speaker 1: and that's the only way I can see it. Now
Speaker 1: you haven't even described how it kills. But the minute
Speaker 1: you said I was like, no, this has Serial Killer five.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of photos I have shared in
Speaker 1: this which I will share with you, my dear audience,
Speaker 1: of a ghost. God. The second photo is horrifying. Oh god,
Speaker 1: and now it's in like a contraption and it's got
Speaker 1: a boner. Yeah, we'll talk about uh. Yeah, so it's uh,
Speaker 1: there are three three bat picks on the the document.
Speaker 1: One the bat is looking very innocent and cute, second
Speaker 1: one is opening its mouth to all of its frightening
Speaker 1: little teeth, and the third one is actually about under sedation.
Speaker 1: And I did that so you could see its wingspan.
Speaker 1: And only after I like put it in the dock,
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's got a boner. It's so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah with the caption, and then once I did, it's
Speaker 1: the only thing I can look at now it's really weird.
Speaker 1: M hm. Uh. So what what do they what do
Speaker 1: they look like? They have really big ears, really tall ears. Uh.
Speaker 1: They've got a little snub nose that's like a leaf
Speaker 1: shaped nose and it points straight upwards. They are a
Speaker 1: kind of pallid white color mixed with some gray, and
Speaker 1: they are about four to five inches long or ten
Speaker 1: to twelve centimeter is along with a wingspan of about
Speaker 1: eight inches or twenty cimeters. And uh, it's like to me,
Speaker 1: it's like if you crossed a bunny with a possum
Speaker 1: and then gave it bat wings mm hmm, possum. I
Speaker 1: guess it's also in the first photo where it's looking cute,
Speaker 1: it has like Steve Bishemy mouth. Uh. And it's like,
Speaker 1: now I'm kind of seeing it as like Steve Fishemy
Speaker 1: and is a bit of a boot Boushemy bad, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Definitely it's and now that it's a killer, it's definitely
Speaker 1: him and con Air, but like Boushemmy, it's like they're
Speaker 1: they're a little weird looking but also kind of cute.
Speaker 1: You know. Sure it has angles that work for it.
Speaker 1: I think I think Boushemmy, he's he's charming, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Right, It's but that second picture, that's
Speaker 1: what I see in my nightmares. Like I went from
Speaker 1: acute and charming to just pure nightmare fuel, like bushity
Speaker 1: like like, uh so remember when I mentioned that these
Speaker 1: ghost bats enjoy murder? Boy do they? So they are
Speaker 1: one of many predatory bats, but these guys are extra
Speaker 1: spooky as they are ambush predators, so they hang from
Speaker 1: trees like ghostly fruit, silently waiting for unsuspecting prey to
Speaker 1: wander close enough. They can hear prey up to sixty
Speaker 1: five ft away or twenty meters away. They will wait
Speaker 1: until they pick up movement like from a locust or
Speaker 1: a small mammal, a small reptile, even small birds, and
Speaker 1: then they will drop from their perch and snatch their
Speaker 1: prey from the ground or even from mid air. They
Speaker 1: even prey on smaller bat species. They can detect echolocation
Speaker 1: of small bats and then zero in on them for
Speaker 1: the kill. Horrifying. It's like cannibal. Well it's technically not
Speaker 1: their own species, so yeah, you know their brethren, right,
Speaker 1: it'd be like us, like eating some gorilla pie or something. This, uh,
Speaker 1: which is a horror horrifying thought. I feel like it
Speaker 1: would be very gamy. Is it This might be a question.
Speaker 1: You don't know is it fast? Because I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear something so far away. I feel
Speaker 1: like this guy's just said, dart, I don't know how
Speaker 1: fast they are. My guests would be like, you know,
Speaker 1: relatively fast, because they do sometimes drop from the tree
Speaker 1: like down onto their prey, So probably they get to
Speaker 1: they get that speed of like dropping from thee and
Speaker 1: then unflfurling their wings, so they kind of dive bomb
Speaker 1: their prey sometimes. So yeah, I think, uh, maybe not
Speaker 1: like the fastest of all the bats or because they
Speaker 1: seem to rely on the element of surprise to get
Speaker 1: their prey, but probably faster than they you want them
Speaker 1: to be if you are a small mammal or a
Speaker 1: locust or have your reptile. Have you ever like I
Speaker 1: had to run in with a bat. I have never
Speaker 1: physically made contact with a bat, but there was a
Speaker 1: bat in my sixth grade camp dormitory room that freaked
Speaker 1: out all the girls and the yeah, yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: horrible to can't. I had had a run in with
Speaker 1: a batwall camping. I was like leaving the camp bathroom
Speaker 1: at night, uh, the campground bathroom and like walking back
Speaker 1: to my tent and I got like dive bombed by one.
Speaker 1: And it's like getting attacked by the biggest bug you've
Speaker 1: ever seen, a big furry bug. It's horrified, it's startling.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you you don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: you think, like I thought it was the biggest bug
Speaker 1: in the world, like the world's ever seen, had flown
Speaker 1: into my head. And then I found out it was
Speaker 1: a bat, and it got so much worse. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: actually read a story about a woman and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this in a little bit who had a bit
Speaker 1: of a raby scare because she thought it was like
Speaker 1: a moth. Uh that like a huge moth that hit
Speaker 1: her face. But then she turned on the light and
Speaker 1: it was a bat. Horrible, a ghost bat. H No,
Speaker 1: she'd be dead. These that those teeth are no joke.
Speaker 1: They are no joke. They actually so this might not
Speaker 1: be something that bird lovers really want to hear, but
Speaker 1: they love to eat budgies or as we know them
Speaker 1: in the US, parakeets. So those cute, little colorable, those cute,
Speaker 1: little colorful birds. I've had them as pets. Lots of
Speaker 1: people have had them as pets. They're adorable and sweet.
Speaker 1: These ghost bats love to eat them. Where where do
Speaker 1: they live? They live in like a tropical in Australia. This, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they yeah, they zero in on the birds chattering in
Speaker 1: their roots. Like if you've ever had like a parakeet,
Speaker 1: you know, they make that cute little like yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're a loud and so the ghost bats will hone
Speaker 1: in on them and just like snatch them up and
Speaker 1: they eat them head first and discard the feet and
Speaker 1: wings like their pistachio shells. It's trying. I mean, I
Speaker 1: would imagine those are the gross part of the parakeet. Oh,
Speaker 1: the head probably isn't great. Yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 1: because like I read this source and then saying they
Speaker 1: eat them head first, It's like what do they do
Speaker 1: with the beak? You know what I mean? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: head feels like it has some most bone, right, And
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the brains are meat. Brains is meat.
Speaker 1: It's true, brains is meat. But in a bird, that's
Speaker 1: that's very little piece. He mean, I mean no, but
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, physically small amount. Yeah, they got
Speaker 1: tiny brains, So it's it's I guess is that just
Speaker 1: like maybe it's a humane kill. I don't think they care.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the intention. I think it's to
Speaker 1: kill it as quickly as possible so that they don't
Speaker 1: have a bird you know, Yeah, because like what's the
Speaker 1: alternative eating them like cloaca first? No, because like I
Speaker 1: don't know as as discussed, I don't think the head
Speaker 1: would be where you really get the nutrients of the bird. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: brains are pretty they do have like brains do have
Speaker 1: a lot of good nutrients in them technically speaking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I eat bird uh right, but you don't
Speaker 1: have bird brains. I don't eat bird brain. I eat
Speaker 1: you know, I eat the body of the birth right, Well,
Speaker 1: they do eat the body of the bird, they just
Speaker 1: like But yeah, I would think if I were this
Speaker 1: bat to get the most to be the most conscious
Speaker 1: about using because like what, you you chomp the head,
Speaker 1: then the body falls. For some reason, I'm imagining this
Speaker 1: all happening midair because we're talking about birds probably hanging
Speaker 1: upside down with this poor poor dead burden there. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably a dive bomb because I just imagine then
Speaker 1: the body drops and then you gotta find you gotta
Speaker 1: find it. It's a mess. It's not a clean kill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. Yeah. I wonder if it's sort of
Speaker 1: like a banana situation where they kind of like chew
Speaker 1: off the head and then kind of go from there.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you have to split the
Speaker 1: top of the banana to get run into the banana
Speaker 1: and maybe it wraps it in its wings, which is
Speaker 1: another thing I do not like about this bat. Oh
Speaker 1: the wings is the wings I don't I don't like
Speaker 1: that I can see through them. You don't like how
Speaker 1: membranous they are? Yeah, yeah, that I can see, like
Speaker 1: like they look like spider webs. Pretty venous. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: ye see right through them and all the like tendons
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I don't like that. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: like everyone's a critic when it comes to see through
Speaker 1: venous wings, I guess. But in terms of like should
Speaker 1: we be scared of these ghost bats? Are they a
Speaker 1: threat to humans? And I would say, generally speaking, no,
Speaker 1: We're too big for them to consider us prey. Uh.
Speaker 1: In fact, according to some sources are read, they are
Speaker 1: rather docile and hesitant to approach humans litt alone attack
Speaker 1: them like all bats. That doesn't mean you should handle them.
Speaker 1: You should not just pick up a bat. Don't do
Speaker 1: it the hard way. This year, let's stay away from
Speaker 1: batspeople stay away from bats, of them their space. It's
Speaker 1: interesting because it rabies is not really problem in Australia,
Speaker 1: does not actually naturally occur in other animals in Australia.
Speaker 1: That's shocking. But the Australian bat lisa virus actually does exist,
Speaker 1: and so it's that the life of virus is similar
Speaker 1: to rabies, but it's technically different virus than rabies. Um. So,
Speaker 1: while I don't think that the ghost bats have rabies,
Speaker 1: they may carry Australian bat lisa virus. That sounds bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's deadly. Only three cases of human infection have occurred since.
Speaker 1: So I don't want people in Australia to panic, although
Speaker 1: I feel like people in Australia are probably pretty unflappable
Speaker 1: at this point, Like, yeah, I don't think they're a
Speaker 1: panicky people. No, I don't think, well yeah, still don't.
Speaker 1: Still don't mess with the bats. It's rude to the bats.
Speaker 1: But also, you know, you don't want to be one
Speaker 1: of the few you people who get Australian bat lice virus. So,
Speaker 1: like I read this, uh, this thing from an Australian
Speaker 1: zoo talking about how like their handlers for these bats
Speaker 1: need to get a vaccine for lice virus because like,
Speaker 1: while it's extremely unlikely they're gonna get it, why risk
Speaker 1: it us? So yeah, um um, But also you can
Speaker 1: be afraid of the thing's giant boner and the thing
Speaker 1: is I shared this picture with you because I had to.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know what the context
Speaker 1: is for it. I don't know why this bat is understoodation.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's got a big old morning would.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I don't have any answers. I
Speaker 1: just thought you might want to see it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do like it's little helmet. I do think the anesthesia
Speaker 1: helmet is kind of yeah, it's because when also like
Speaker 1: usually when you get anesthesia, right, like you get uh
Speaker 1: maybe like an injection of something like ivy or like
Speaker 1: if you're getting nitrous oxide, you get a little nose thing.
Speaker 1: But animals too small, these they're too small for stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So basically they just put a big cone
Speaker 1: over their head that's like full of the the feel
Speaker 1: good sleep gas. And then it's like so funny to
Speaker 1: me to see various surgeries on tiny animals Like I
Speaker 1: saw I think a goldfish surgery and they just had
Speaker 1: this like helmet of I guess anesthetic for the goldfish
Speaker 1: and we're doing surgery on a goldfish. Is like, what
Speaker 1: how is this? And what is the point of doing
Speaker 1: surgery on a goldfish, it's got three more days to
Speaker 1: live with anything like even if those three more days,
Speaker 1: it's going to live its life to the fullest in
Speaker 1: those three days. I don't it really seems like a
Speaker 1: waste of money to do you want to you want
Speaker 1: to tell that goldfish that just because it's got a
Speaker 1: torn a c l that it can't compete in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Bridget is athlete. I don't think goldfish have a seals. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: that's a that's in your knee. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: they have knees. They have joints, but they don't have knees,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they have joints. That's it. I I what
Speaker 1: I like about this helmet is that it kind of
Speaker 1: looks like the Catwoman helmet because it has like little
Speaker 1: it seems too from the angle, have little uh like
Speaker 1: flaps for like a little space for its ears. Nice
Speaker 1: and I like that a lot. Yeah, wait, there's a
Speaker 1: catwoman helmet that has space for her ears. Well, the
Speaker 1: the catwoman um helmets a wrong term, but mask she's
Speaker 1: got yours as ears. Uh. If Batman's in space, does
Speaker 1: he have to have a space helmet? That's got space
Speaker 1: for his ears, like a little ovens for his ears.
Speaker 1: I I would imagine he has designed alf I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I Lucius has designed some some cool like Cowels space helmet,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like I imagine like a NASA
Speaker 1: space helmet with like two bulbs room for his ear
Speaker 1: point ees. And then it looks if if we know
Speaker 1: anything about Batman, it's got ears. He has artists, could
Speaker 1: you guys, if anyone's could do art of what you
Speaker 1: think of bat Man in a helmet would possibly look
Speaker 1: like if you agree with my version, which is Batman
Speaker 1: in his bat mask, but he's also in a NASA helmet,
Speaker 1: but it's got two little points, two little nubns for
Speaker 1: his ears to fit in. I think it's also funny
Speaker 1: if he's in a space helmet but still wearing the
Speaker 1: cowl too, Right, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, Right,
Speaker 1: Like I thought you were talking about designing a space
Speaker 1: helmet that looks like the cowl. No, no, because like
Speaker 1: if he's at the super space station, right, he's got
Speaker 1: to go in and out like he's doing a spacewalk
Speaker 1: punching space joker. But then he's got to go back
Speaker 1: inside of the superhero a space station, and then what's
Speaker 1: he gonna do? Take off his entire secret identity helmet. No,
Speaker 1: because like he's got to take it off in front
Speaker 1: of other superheroes while still protecting his identity. So he's
Speaker 1: got to have a mask under the helmet. So what
Speaker 1: is he gonna So it's more bizarre to have a
Speaker 1: space helmet shaped like a bat mask and you take
Speaker 1: it off and there's another bat mask underneath. I say
Speaker 1: he should wear the NASA bubble helmet with ear with
Speaker 1: ear space space for his ear ear accommodation, uh nodules.
Speaker 1: That yeah, that makes sense because like also if the
Speaker 1: if the villain was inside the space station, he would
Speaker 1: have to take off the helmet, right And honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't trust the Flash either, he's a gossip. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean these bets, these real life bats, much cooler
Speaker 1: than Batman in my opinion, not just because the big boner,
Speaker 1: but they're willing to kill, right, Like if the Joker
Speaker 1: had an actual ghost bat, like a man bat that's
Speaker 1: like bitten by a radioactive ghost bat and the and
Speaker 1: now is like man bat, Joker would be so screwed.
Speaker 1: He just like like the Joker would be, like, I
Speaker 1: have devised the Pozson for you to save God, oh God,
Speaker 1: and he just like grab him and eat him face first.
Speaker 1: Ghost Bat doesn't hesitate, No, ghost doesn't. Ghost Bat doesn't
Speaker 1: have like a complex about his parents. Ghost Back just
Speaker 1: kills for the fun of killing. And ghost Bat is
Speaker 1: obviously played by Steve Buschening obviously perfect. We did it
Speaker 1: so bridget ghost dogs. Yes, ghost dogs. I'm surprised that
Speaker 1: ghost Dog isn't a movie. Actually, I'm gonna google it
Speaker 1: ghost to be a ghost dog movie? What's that? Well
Speaker 1: that I mean inherently means it's a movie about a
Speaker 1: dead dog, which is yeah, I mean there's a crime
Speaker 1: crime film, but I don't think it has actual ghost
Speaker 1: dogs in it, so it doesn't count. Mm hmm. I
Speaker 1: would like to see like a sequel to what's it
Speaker 1: called the one with Kiana Reeves where it's just a
Speaker 1: Kiana Reeves killing people John Wick, Like a sequel to
Speaker 1: John Wick where it's like John Wick Ghost Dog Protocol
Speaker 1: and it's the key little Beagles ghost coming back to life,
Speaker 1: sort of like when we talked about earlier with a
Speaker 1: Caspar the ghost and then the little baby Fox comes
Speaker 1: back to life as a ghost. Beagle comes back as
Speaker 1: a ghost, but it has ghost guns and ghost powers,
Speaker 1: and so it fights alongside john Wick john Wick. And
Speaker 1: oh and it's crossover with Constantine because like now john
Speaker 1: Wick is Constantine also played by Gary Reeves and fighting
Speaker 1: bad guys and demons. Yes, and also the ghost dog
Speaker 1: can then fulfill it's unfinished business at the end of
Speaker 1: the movie, and like they can have a nice cathartic
Speaker 1: night of Like ghost Dog, you've fulfilled your unfinished business
Speaker 1: of vengeance, right, you have more unfinished business going. We
Speaker 1: get some poopy bags will go outside. But ghost dogs
Speaker 1: they're real, they're real. But it is actually just a
Speaker 1: real animal, corporeal animal, and it refers to a secret
Speaker 1: society of canids living in the Amazon basin, so secret dogs.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean domesticated dogs or domesticated dogs that
Speaker 1: went back out into the wild. But this is a
Speaker 1: genuine wild canid species distinct from wolves and dogs. And
Speaker 1: they are the only member of the genus atil Kindness.
Speaker 1: They are also known as short eared dogs, so they
Speaker 1: look very distinct from domesticated dogs and from wolves. So
Speaker 1: they have short stubby ears and ash brown, short smooth fur.
Speaker 1: They don't really look like a dog to me. They
Speaker 1: actually look more like a faussa, which is that strange
Speaker 1: kind of philoforma carnivore endemic to Madagascar. I think we've
Speaker 1: talked about the fassa before on the show, but if
Speaker 1: you google fassa you'll see what I mean. It is
Speaker 1: almost like how to describe these guys. It's like you
Speaker 1: took a mongoose and tried to run it on a
Speaker 1: dog operating system. Well, the first and second picture look
Speaker 1: very different to me. The first picture looks like it's
Speaker 1: a dog bear. M hm, dog Uh is how I
Speaker 1: describe that guy. But then when I see it on
Speaker 1: the from its profile on its side, for you, it's
Speaker 1: it's more ferret like, right, it's like a ferret fox. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one might be. It looks a little skinnier too,
Speaker 1: so that one might be like a younger one because
Speaker 1: in the bottom picture goes back to looking kind of
Speaker 1: like a dog bear again. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a mongoose dog and a bear dog fox. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, they're lovely, they're lovely. Beatle animals are
Speaker 1: sure they would kill me, but I want to cuddle.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, the thing is they are extremely elusive,
Speaker 1: so they'd probably sooner run away from you than kill you.
Speaker 1: They are so secretive and shy. There is very little
Speaker 1: information known about them, especially for such a large animal.
Speaker 1: Usually we are pretty good at studying the larger animals,
Speaker 1: but these guys are very mysterious. We hardly even know
Speaker 1: their dietary habits. So from scat analysis, they seem to
Speaker 1: be omnivorous, eating meat and fruit. So scat analysis is
Speaker 1: you know, they're going in there poop uh and and
Speaker 1: looking for stuff, and they found some meat and fruit.
Speaker 1: And there are some recent video documentation from November that
Speaker 1: showed a ghost dog scavenging and armadilla carcass, which some
Speaker 1: people say, maybe maybe that means that they're a scavenger,
Speaker 1: but we just we literally have so little footage of
Speaker 1: them and evidence. Who knows, like this could just be
Speaker 1: a one off behavior. They could scavenge sometimes and hunt
Speaker 1: other times, like lots of animals who are hunters also scavenged.
Speaker 1: So it's like even the minimal amount of video footage
Speaker 1: we have of them doesn't really give us a whole
Speaker 1: picture of what these mystery dogs are up to. Huh,
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. Well I respect that. I like an
Speaker 1: elusive dog. I know they're off the grid. They're like
Speaker 1: the Jason Bourne of the animal world, just like spy dogs,
Speaker 1: off the grid, eluding researchers, having a low profile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that, just like off the grid in the Amazon,
Speaker 1: live in their lives, don't want to be found. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: they're not interested in all. Not interesting. Look, I've seen
Speaker 1: what you did. I've seen what you've done to dogs
Speaker 1: and the and that's that's embarrassing. One look at a
Speaker 1: ship so and it was like no, no, not for me, thanks, no,
Speaker 1: thank you, no, no. It saw one dog in a
Speaker 1: Halloween costume and they're like absolutely not. I saw a
Speaker 1: pug dressed as a weener dog like this is a
Speaker 1: as a hot dog and they're like, no, no things
Speaker 1: opt out. Yeah, you're not going to breed me. You
Speaker 1: can't tame this beast. I'm gonna just hide in the woods.
Speaker 1: That's very sweet, it's yeah. The Another behavior they've been
Speaker 1: seen to do is they use the burrows of giant
Speaker 1: armadillos as their own, so they just kind of like
Speaker 1: find a burrow that another animal has dug, and they'll
Speaker 1: go and seek refuge in that. They seem from the
Speaker 1: limited information that I've found about them, they just seemed
Speaker 1: very resourceful, secretive, and clandestine. And yeah, that's that's like
Speaker 1: a Tom Sawyer of dogs like you. You built this
Speaker 1: fence for me, mm hmm yeah, and i'll and I'll
Speaker 1: eat your carcass. Also, yeah, the very Tom Sawyer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't finish the book, but I assume that's how
Speaker 1: it ends. Tom Sawyer gets the kid to paint the
Speaker 1: fence and then he eats the kid head first. That's
Speaker 1: why that's where it seemed like it was going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I know that I don't really have to lecture uh,
Speaker 1: my audience on wanting to say the rainforest. But if
Speaker 1: you guys want to lecture someone else on wanting to
Speaker 1: save the rainforest, I think that if you say, hey,
Speaker 1: there's secret puppies there, that might convince some people that
Speaker 1: that is a good that is a good sway. Especially
Speaker 1: this first picture where it looks like a bear dog.
Speaker 1: It is very cute. It's got big old pause, Scott,
Speaker 1: big old pause. It's got boop snoot. I do want
Speaker 1: to boop the snoop the obviously look disclaimer, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to boot the snoot. It's first of all, I
Speaker 1: literally could not find one of these dogs, no matter
Speaker 1: how hard I tried. Probably, and you know, obviously you
Speaker 1: don't want to boop the snoot of wild animal. But
Speaker 1: between you and me, Bridget, just you and me, nobody else,
Speaker 1: I really want to boot the snoot. It looks like
Speaker 1: it's got cold, wet nose. It looks like a scot
Speaker 1: cold wind nose that could boop on. It is a
Speaker 1: happy dog. It's got a big fluffy tail, flushy tail.
Speaker 1: You give a little eagle little screeches around the neck
Speaker 1: when it's happy. Probably wags, probably wags, Probably does a
Speaker 1: little sniff sniffs, little sniff niffs. Can you shake? Can
Speaker 1: you shake? Boy? Very very trainable dogs. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I am as much as I respect how elusive they've been. Um.
Speaker 1: I do want to find out more about these dogs
Speaker 1: because canines are quite intelligent, and I am curious about
Speaker 1: like what their what their social life is like, because
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like they would follow the same rules
Speaker 1: that wolves would follow in terms of like pack structure,
Speaker 1: because their whole diet in their whole lifestyle is probably
Speaker 1: very different. So I'm really interested, but yeah, they they
Speaker 1: do not want me to know. It's also so interesting
Speaker 1: that there's a dog in a type of dog I
Speaker 1: guess in the rainforest. It's hot, it's hot and hum
Speaker 1: with there, and these guys look like they have a
Speaker 1: thick coat. Yeah, it's an interesting coat though, because it
Speaker 1: really doesn't look dog like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't it's bear like or like a panther even,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just surprising that we
Speaker 1: just know so little about them. Do they have Do
Speaker 1: they have like some like in the middle of the
Speaker 1: forest they have like some tree stump that they do
Speaker 1: like some kind of paw like pattern of paw presses,
Speaker 1: and then like a tree opens up and there's this
Speaker 1: whole like underground civilization of like super intelligent dogs or something.
Speaker 1: I also because like there are so many videos of
Speaker 1: dog and dog like creatures making friends with other animals,
Speaker 1: So I just wonder if they're like hanging out with
Speaker 1: that aunt eaters right, Like there's probably a zutopia down there,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Because utopia, Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 1: said they might not be pack animals. But it's like
Speaker 1: you say dog and you would think they have buddies, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They they could be pack animals. I
Speaker 1: think it would be a little strange for something like
Speaker 1: the rainforest. But I don't know, Like I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't know if anyone knows. Because
Speaker 1: they're they're Jason Bourne. They leave no trace. Mystery dog.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like a dog with an edge.
Speaker 1: Dogs don't have enough edge, edgy dogs whatever, just a dog.
Speaker 1: I guess. Uh well, I think that I'll do it
Speaker 1: for our Haunting, our ghost Hunter part of the show.
Speaker 1: I do want it. Before we go, I had a
Speaker 1: couple of emails that I thought were too good not
Speaker 1: to share. We talked about the Cicada brewed X the
Speaker 1: mass hatching of cicadas with Mara Wilson. Uh well, I
Speaker 1: hope you don't mind this email then, which I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: hit me, hi, Katie. I experienced the Cicada brewed once
Speaker 1: during that time. Apparently Cicada ice cream came up with it.
Speaker 1: I never tried it, but it was a thing that
Speaker 1: some people liked. Hearing you talk about them reminded me
Speaker 1: of it. I love your podcast it's so fun to
Speaker 1: listen to Sincerely Natalie. So yeah, in uh that it
Speaker 1: seems that cicada ice cream is a thing. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're bugs, don't eat them. There's like a ice cream
Speaker 1: shop in Cicada or an ice cream shop in Columbia, Missouri,
Speaker 1: which like they collected dead cicadas from their backyards and
Speaker 1: then boiled them and then covered them in brown sugar
Speaker 1: and basically candied the cicadas and then put them into
Speaker 1: the ice cream and apparently like it was so popular
Speaker 1: it just like instantly sold out. But then like the
Speaker 1: Department of Health and Human Services was like the food
Speaker 1: code doesn't directly address cicadas, but we advised against him.
Speaker 1: You can't serve bugs. You could serve bugs. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about this. Like for me, the just putting candied
Speaker 1: to the kid as an ice cream, there's something about
Speaker 1: that that creeps me out. Um, I'm like, I'm less
Speaker 1: sort of grossed out by just like using bugs and
Speaker 1: cuisine when you're not trying to like just put them
Speaker 1: in an ice cream. For some reason, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like when a bug is just randomly inserted into
Speaker 1: ice cream. I think of like, oh, bugs, got in
Speaker 1: the ice cream, and that's bad. But if you're like
Speaker 1: a pro chef and you're like, here is a cricket
Speaker 1: taco I have lovingly crafted, Like, Okay, I see that,
Speaker 1: not necessarily saying I would eat it. You can't just
Speaker 1: cover things in sugar and chocolate and tell people to
Speaker 1: eat it. It's not fair. It's not fair. It's really
Speaker 1: not fair. It's cheating. But I got this other email
Speaker 1: from someone who writes Hi, Katie. I was binge listening
Speaker 1: to podcast yesterday and during the Brewed X episode, you're
Speaker 1: talking about consuming bugs and how you would prefer that
Speaker 1: over cand asparagus. So I thought I would share with
Speaker 1: you an Instagram account that I follow, just to make
Speaker 1: a note to the listeners. I did say that that's
Speaker 1: more of an indictment of canadasparagus than it is an
Speaker 1: indication of my willingness to eat bugs. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it sounded like to me. The email continues,
Speaker 1: Joseph Un with Brooklyn Bugs makes gore mate dishes with
Speaker 1: bugs and insects that I thought you would find cool.
Speaker 1: The kimchi scorpions in deep fried cricket mac and cheese
Speaker 1: bites looks awesome. Have a fabulous week, Kaylee, Thank you, Kaylee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I looked at this instagram. It is what's the instagram?
Speaker 1: It is Brooklyn Bugs if you want to check it
Speaker 1: out all. But yeah, I gotta say these things do
Speaker 1: genuinely look pretty good. I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: have the hutzpah to actually eat this stuff, Like I
Speaker 1: would love to say like, oh yeah, I would, no problem,
Speaker 1: Like I'll eat a bug like I wish I could
Speaker 1: say that. No. I mean, I think it's a good
Speaker 1: thing to start to work out, like start to eliminate
Speaker 1: the stigma of eating bugs, because I think they are
Speaker 1: a sustainable, perfectly fine and healthy source of protein. But God,
Speaker 1: cultural indoctrination is so strong it's hard. It is hard
Speaker 1: to get over. Like some of these things, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't. I would have a hard time. But some
Speaker 1: of them do look good, like the kimchi scorpion, which
Speaker 1: is what I think I'm looking at. M I could
Speaker 1: maybe do that. It's hard to wrap my head around, right,
Speaker 1: it looks. The weird thing is it looks appetizing a
Speaker 1: lot of them. But I don't I still don't know
Speaker 1: if I could get past the mental blockade of I'm
Speaker 1: eating an insect like it's and it's I totally admit
Speaker 1: that's like my fault. It's not, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: sure it's your fault. But it's like, well, not my fault,
Speaker 1: but my own psychologue. It's not that the food is
Speaker 1: objectively gross. It's that my own psychological barriers do not
Speaker 1: want me to eat bugs. The weird thing is ants,
Speaker 1: Like the idea of eating ants is not as gross
Speaker 1: to me. That does not bother me either, you know.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if it's because I remember as a
Speaker 1: kid I used to just eat ants out of curios.
Speaker 1: I think it because they're small. They're small, and like
Speaker 1: textually there's not there's not like a big crunch factor,
Speaker 1: but there's also there like a sprinkle, right, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: like sprinkles, Like you sprinkle some ants on my ice cream,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I'm not going to notice that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I'd probably noticed it, to be honest, I might
Speaker 1: not appreciate it, but I might still eat the ice cream,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. But I've definitely eaten like ants.
Speaker 1: I've definitely been at a picnic and have eaten an
Speaker 1: ant like right, that has been on my sandwich. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like if people people who say they like the
Speaker 1: taste of insects, I trust them, and I trust that
Speaker 1: it probably tastes good. I don't know. I think it
Speaker 1: would take a lot of work for me to get
Speaker 1: over the cultural uh, the cultural norms that I've been
Speaker 1: taught since I was a kid of like don't don't,
Speaker 1: oh God, stop putting that in your mouth. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would definitely. I I wonder if I looked at this
Speaker 1: instagram and wasn't told it was bugs, if it would
Speaker 1: bother me, like my my thing. I think I would.
Speaker 1: I could eat it and like it, but you would
Speaker 1: have to tell me afterwards that it was bugs, right,
Speaker 1: right exactly? I mean if you, for instance, like if
Speaker 1: you have cricket meal, right, because that you eliminate the
Speaker 1: shape of the cricket with that, you grind up crickets
Speaker 1: into a meal, and then you make like cricket meal
Speaker 1: cookies or something, and I eat that cookie, I'll pry
Speaker 1: enjoy it if I'm mid bite and then you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's made out of crickets, I'm no no longer going
Speaker 1: to enjoy it. It's all psychological. It's a high precent psychological.
Speaker 1: It's psychological. I I also have like this image of
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm wrong, I'm a person who like the
Speaker 1: texture of food. Really, you can bother me. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I totally understand. YEA super picky because of all, it's
Speaker 1: like a textual thing and it's got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with whether the food is bad or good or anything.
Speaker 1: It's just a I didn't eat mashed potatoes for years
Speaker 1: for my entire childhood because I didn't like the grainy
Speaker 1: texture of it. Yeah yeah, or potatoes at all. I
Speaker 1: didn't like the texture of potatoes really interesting. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I still ate potatoes, but any yeah, anything too mushy
Speaker 1: freaked me out. Uh yeah, So I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of the other block that I feel like a bug
Speaker 1: an insect would have like a deep crunch and then
Speaker 1: a really squishy inside. It depends on the to me
Speaker 1: by Timon and Puma of the Lion King. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's accurate some of the I mean, maybe not,
Speaker 1: but in my head, and I don't like that some
Speaker 1: of them for sure, like witchety bugs or witchety grubs.
Speaker 1: Do you have, like a cicada would probably be crunchy
Speaker 1: and then really gush. I don't really know if they'd
Speaker 1: have the gusher's effect. Maybe Okay, anyone who's eating bugs
Speaker 1: right into me and give me a full on analysis
Speaker 1: of the mouth feel of different bugs, please, Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: that will help us get over our mental You know,
Speaker 1: shrimp are basically like marine bugs. But I actually don't
Speaker 1: shrimp break me up sometimes. Yeah, exactly like I think shrimp.
Speaker 1: But if I think too much about what I'm eating,
Speaker 1: I'll stop. I think this might be a you and
Speaker 1: me problem. I think maybe I think I love calamari.
Speaker 1: I love calamari, but like the minute I'm reminded of
Speaker 1: what calamari is, I stop eating it right right right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I well, yeah, I just like I feel bad when
Speaker 1: I eat octopus because I think they're like the puppies
Speaker 1: of the sea, Like yeah, but yeah, it's yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm on the same page with you. But uh, but
Speaker 1: we we can talk. We might be weird about about
Speaker 1: every food we don't like. We'll do that off, Mike
Speaker 1: will spare you guys are a long conversation because I
Speaker 1: feel like we're just discovering this about each other and
Speaker 1: we're excited that, like you hate food, I hate food too. Awesome,
Speaker 1: you're a weirdo. Yeah, me too. We that but like
Speaker 1: don't like the mouth field. I also don't like the
Speaker 1: mouth field. This is great. Well, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being on bridget Where can people find you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. These are always so much fun. Um.
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