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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back, George Nor with you. Patty Negrey back

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Speaker 2: with a psychic medium and a good witch. She's best

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Speaker 2: known for her recurring role in the show Ghost Adventures.

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Speaker 2: She's a best selling author and expert in old world magic.

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Speaker 2: She's got a book coming out called Doll Craft, A

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Speaker 2: Witch's Guide to puppet Magic and Haunted Dolls that's coming

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Speaker 2: out in the next year.

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Speaker 3: Patty, it is I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: Good for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always it's because it's the publisher is Llewellen

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Speaker 3: and I was like bred and raised on Llewellyn books

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Speaker 3: from the time I was really young and it was

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Speaker 3: like my path into the magical world. So that they're

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Speaker 3: my publisher, I'm really honored.

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Speaker 2: Day Halloween time. Are you excited about that?

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Speaker 3: I am so excited. I'm living on airplanes and on

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Speaker 3: the other side of the veil, and I'm living more

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Speaker 3: on the seance world than that. And it's a good

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Speaker 3: one this year.

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Speaker 2: George, Well, there's nothing like it. How come Halloween is

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Speaker 2: so tight in the ghosts and scury.

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Speaker 3: Things, because it truly is that the veil is thinnist

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Speaker 3: in the entire year. The veil between our world and

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Speaker 3: the other worlds where ghosts live and spirits and magical

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Speaker 3: beasts and cryptids is thinnest. It's the Pagan new Year.

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Speaker 3: Actually it's called Soo and samhai n and it is

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Speaker 3: time to celebrate the ancestors because the veil is so thin.

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Speaker 3: So that's why actually Halloween people dress up, wear masks,

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Speaker 3: put lanterns out to frighten the bad spirits, but the

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Speaker 3: magical world, just like diadlos Mertos in the Latin culture,

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Speaker 3: it's time to celebrate our ancestors and the dead. And

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Speaker 3: when you hold seances or there's a lot more activity

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Speaker 3: like I'm doing more haunted health clearings, more mediumship because

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Speaker 3: they're just active.

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Speaker 2: Well, they sure are. The signs should have people look

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Speaker 2: for what a spirit is trying to communicate with them,

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Speaker 2: and especially during Halloween.

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Speaker 3: Halloween, things that just seem a little bit odd. It

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Speaker 3: could be in your home noises and sounds and yes

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Speaker 3: we know houses make apartments make sounds on their own,

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Speaker 3: but things like flickering lights, they are energy. We are energy,

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Speaker 3: and spirits are getting really good at electronics. All of

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Speaker 3: a sudden your computer's being weird or your phone's being weird. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it could be a bug or something, but spirits. I literally,

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Speaker 3: not too terribly long ago, got a call on my

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Speaker 3: cell phone from my husband's best friend who had been

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Speaker 3: dead five years, his bandmate. I'm like, huh, I said,

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Speaker 3: call from David. I'm like that's odd and I thought, oh,

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Speaker 3: maybe it was his wife. Nope, there was nobody there,

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Speaker 3: called it back and it had been disconnected for five years.

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Speaker 3: So look for oddities that were because we are energy

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Speaker 3: ghosts or energy. So again, electricity is a great conduit.

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Speaker 3: That's why you look at the flickering lights and haunted house.

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Speaker 3: But weird sounds, weird noises, even changes in emotions because

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Speaker 3: if it's a negative spirit, I personally think most spirits

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Speaker 3: are good, just like most people are good. You go

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Speaker 3: to the mall, you go to a ball game, people

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Speaker 3: are happy and good. Yes, there's the serial killer ghosts

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Speaker 3: and the evil ones, but most are good. But if

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Speaker 3: you do get something negative, you might notice illness, cranky, arguing,

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Speaker 3: wanting to not hang out in a room, weird sense,

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Speaker 3: weird smells, weird dreams. There's a bunch of different signs

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Speaker 3: and it just feels off. It feels off. You probably

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Speaker 3: need to do a nice little clearing. You could do

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Speaker 2: How can we conjure up good spirits and not the

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Speaker 2: negative ones?

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Speaker 3: Intent is everything. I seriously believe that this is our

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Speaker 3: realm of existence. They really do have to play by

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Speaker 3: our rules. If you go, I want to talk to

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Speaker 3: whatever word you use, good spirits, high vibration spirits. I

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Speaker 3: want to just talk to my ancestors or my spirit guides.

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Speaker 3: That's what you're going to get people who you see

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Speaker 3: people get all weirdly possessed. You know, unless it's somebody

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Speaker 3: like me doing it on purpose and you know what

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Speaker 3: you're doing. They've allowed it to happen because most people

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Speaker 3: just don't know better. You know, unless you have a

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Speaker 3: severe addiction problem or a severe mental imbalance. We are

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Speaker 3: in control. People just don't know it. If you want

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Speaker 3: to conjure up, you want to talk to Grandma, get

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Speaker 3: a picture of Grandma out, maybe light a candle, tell stories,

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Speaker 3: or you know, around the campfire in the living room.

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Speaker 3: It's just like as the Holidays were going into ways

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Speaker 3: to tell that Grandma is there is like light a candle,

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Speaker 3: say okay, Grandma make the candle flicker, Make the candle

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Speaker 3: flame dance, make the flame bigger, it light some incense,

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Speaker 3: the left. See things within it. There's lots of things

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Speaker 2: Can you protect yourself from negativity?

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Speaker 3: You can, and you need to protect yourself from negativity,

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Speaker 3: whether it's coming from ghosts or just the cranky people

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Speaker 3: next door. I work with mirrored bubbles because mirror reflects. Again,

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Speaker 3: if I again, intent is everything energy, energy, and intent

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Speaker 3: is just as real as anything solid, because solid stuff

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Speaker 3: isn't solid either, right, seventh grade science is moving little

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Speaker 3: you know, little atoms and things. But to protect yourself

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Speaker 3: from both spirit energy or people energy, put yourself in

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Speaker 3: a little, a little bubble. I like it to be

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Speaker 3: mirrored on the outside because then if somebody purposely is

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Speaker 3: sending you bad energy, either like there're an energy vampire

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Speaker 3: or just sucking the energy out of you, it'll just

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Speaker 3: they'll kind of see how ugly it is. It'll bounce

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Speaker 3: right back at them, and you sit there and like

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Speaker 3: love and happy in your little you know, mirrored egg

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Speaker 3: going send love, send loves, send love, and you could

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Speaker 3: even practice this. I like a little movement. I like

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Speaker 3: to take a breath, do a hand movement. Okay, I

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Speaker 3: am now surrounded by this. Only good stuff gets in,

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Speaker 3: nothing bad gets in. And go to the mall and

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Speaker 3: practice getting this crowded elevator. Now that we're through COVID,

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Speaker 3: you literally, I snap my finger, I do this thing,

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Speaker 3: and literally, if you're in an elevator, people aren't sending

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Speaker 3: you bad juju. They usually will smile at you because

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Speaker 3: they psychically see this beautiful mirror, and they will stand

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Speaker 3: back if they can. They'll kind of step back if

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Speaker 3: they can't step back. If you're really in a crowded elevator,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, your personal space isn't being invaded.

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Speaker 3: We have these little protection if you want to picture

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Speaker 3: it like a suit of armor, you want to picture

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Speaker 3: it like anything else. I just like mirror because again,

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Speaker 3: if they are shooting bad stuff at you, they can

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Speaker 3: see how unattractive they look.

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Speaker 2: And why do we call you the good witch?

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Speaker 3: Because good means well. Number One, I'm the world's biggest

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Speaker 3: fan of the Wizard of Oz. I like Glinda. I

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Speaker 3: have a big pink dress and the big wand I'm

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Speaker 3: still trying to work on showing up in a big bubble.

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Speaker 3: But good means I only do work high vibration. I

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Speaker 3: don't like white and black because those have so many

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Speaker 3: connotations to them. I only do good magic, positive magic,

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Speaker 2: Do you have a cackle?

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Speaker 3: Of course I have a cackle.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta have a good cackle. You practice that

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Speaker 2: What was that great line in the Wizard of Oz?

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Speaker 2: My pretty it is? Why is Halloween so famous for

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Speaker 2: paranormal activity?

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Speaker 3: I think it is because the veil, is said, paranormal

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Speaker 3: activity is always there. People see stuff all the time,

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Speaker 3: and I believe, just in general, the veil is getting

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Speaker 3: thinner all the time. As we literally move into that

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Speaker 3: age of Aquarius they talked about in the sixties, they

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Speaker 3: solid grounds. It's more ethereal so, more and more paranormal

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Speaker 3: activity is happening all the time. Not just Halloween, but

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Speaker 3: heavier Halloween. I'm doing more clearings, more stuff people. That's

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Speaker 3: why paranormal World's not going to go away. George. You

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Speaker 3: know TV comes to all the TV. I have my

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Speaker 3: own network, Paraflex, where it's all paranormal because it's just happening,

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Speaker 3: and I think paranormal almost the Veliso said, when times

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Speaker 3: are scary, we know that people usually will go back

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Speaker 3: to their faith.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Times have always been scary, they always have, but now

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Speaker 3: we're scary with twenty four to seven bombardment from television

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Speaker 3: people go back to their faith, go back to church,

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Speaker 3: go back to temple. That's not holding up for everybody.

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Speaker 3: So that's why they Rais and witchcraft the fastest growing

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Speaker 3: religion in America. The Rais and New Age and alternative,

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Speaker 3: alternative belief systems and magical belief systems. But not everybody

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Speaker 3: get blown up by the Aliens or Russia or China,

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Speaker 3: I want to know that there's something more than what

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Speaker 3: I see. On the TV screen every night. Those people

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Speaker 3: if Bigfoot is real encryptids and then they go or

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Speaker 3: is real, and then oftentimes they're going to backdoor into

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Speaker 3: their faith their belief system to try to navigate it.

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Speaker 2: What makes a location haunted?

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Speaker 3: Patty energy Energy. It could be the energy of the place,

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Speaker 3: like you go to big big in life, big in death.

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Speaker 3: I you know, like you go to mining towns out

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Speaker 3: in the West we're not that old. You got to

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Speaker 3: go to Virginia City or Nevada City or a Vulture

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Speaker 3: city or Montana. That's the first stuff we had here.

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Speaker 3: So big personalities went out west, whether it was the

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Speaker 3: their way, You're going to get big ghosts, so they're

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Speaker 3: going to stay more haunted. You know, Bob Banker in

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Speaker 3: life who worked in this cubicle, He's gonna be Bob

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Speaker 3: the quiet ghost and not saying he's not hanging out

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Speaker 3: or the Asayan asylum or the medical big big personalities,

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Speaker 3: big life, big tragedy, big joy, big everything it happens,

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Speaker 3: it's going to feel in the walls, it's going to

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Speaker 3: feel in the energy. It's going to stay in the objects.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of cemeteries. Are they haunted?

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Speaker 3: Well, they're different. They're sacred ground. To me, I do

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Speaker 3: not leave most ghosts or just hanging out at the cemeteries.

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Speaker 3: They're they're hanging out watching their grandkids grow up. Maybe

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Speaker 3: they've been reincarnated. Maybe they're doing both at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't believe there's time and space on the

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Speaker 3: other side. I think you could be reincarnated hanging out

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Speaker 3: the pearly gates and watching your grandkids grow up, all

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Speaker 3: at the same time. But that's just me. But cemetery

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Speaker 2: When you deal with the other side, generally, do you

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Speaker 3: still Christmas. But the Yule log, the pine trees, all

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Speaker 2: The people over trying to scarce these spirits away with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a sage is so overused. I know a lot

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Speaker 2: Really do you do? You have to burn it?

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Speaker 3: A mirror as a sandal would something put back in

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Speaker 3: the love and joy, But you can't. People who I see,

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Speaker 3: It's like you just got rid of all the spirits

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Speaker 3: If you want to burn and you want to smudge,

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Speaker 3: I'm a much bigger believer in Palo Santo and cedar grass.

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Speaker 3: There's so many other things that are gentler where you

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Speaker 2: Have you ever given a spell on somebody?

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Speaker 3: I give spells on people every day with their permission,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But you don't sound like you do evil stuff.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't do evil stuff because you have to.

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Speaker 3: It is not good or bad heaven or hell. You

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Speaker 3: I have no judgments, and I have friends who will

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Speaker 3: But she's dead, you know. And I'm not gonna go, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's whatever. But illness gets you. Depression gets you because

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Speaker 2: But how many people dabble with the negative.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of people do. It's power trips.

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Speaker 3: But I've done much better with positive. I will do

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Speaker 3: I will do defensive magic, you know, I've had you know,

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Speaker 3: But I just want to live in a happier world,

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