1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. I'm Tamra Judge and I'm Dan Geesling and 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: you're listening to Talking a Big Game. Hey, guys, welcome 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: back to another episode of Talking a Big Game with myself, 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Tamra Judge. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: And Dan Geesling. Really excited to be here today. 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: Dan, yes, a Michigan boy in La for Is this 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: the first time? 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I spent some time here for Big Brother. I've 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: come to LA but I don't Oh. 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: You filmed Big Brother in La Yeah, yeah. 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: Studio city. But I don't know how you pull this 12 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: off because I was taking the car, the Uber from 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: the airport. Yeah here, yeap, and it's like ten miles. 14 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, in Michigan, that's twenty minutes, man. Yeah, tops. 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: And we're halfway there an hour. It's an hour halfway there. 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: We're getting there and like I get cars sick. So 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: I'm about two and a half miles out and I 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: tell the Uber driver like I'm good, and he kind 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: of looked at me like I'm crazy. He's like, what 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: do you mean you're good? I'm like, I'm gonna walk 21 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: the rest of the way, and I just I just 22 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: had your luggage with you. My luggage with me because 23 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: I'm not high made. Just like I can't sit in traffic, 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: I can walk and beat this car there and be 25 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: happier and help you beat it. 26 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: I did. 27 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: I beat them? 28 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So last night Dan and I went 29 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: out to dinner, Eddie wrote as harleyan to meet Dan. 30 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: I was like, do you want to meet Dan or 31 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: do you want to know? Is it to find out 32 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: who this guy is it's doing a podcast with my 33 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: wife or was it generally you wanted to come have 34 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: dinner with us? 35 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: Well? 36 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: My thing was before we got to dinner, like we're walking, 37 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: you know, it was ten minutes from a hotel, and 38 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: there's like two or three people yelling out of cars 39 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: as we're driving by Damnar Judge, I love you, and 40 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, I know Tamar's big, but like there's like 41 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: it doesn't end and like the funniest thing Eddie like 42 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: didn't even react. Just another day at the office. 43 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: Dan, I'm kind of a big deal. I mean, I'm 44 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: just kidding. Yeah, it's crazy like in Orange County, like 45 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: I'll get the you know, occasional wave, but when I'm 46 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: in La because I'm not here that often, they're. 47 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: Like like losing their minds. 48 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's very grateful. But today we have 49 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: a special guest. It is Cheryl Burke, who became the 50 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: first female professional dancer to win ABC's Dancing with the Stars, 51 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: taking home the season two Mirrorball Trophy in two thousand 52 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: and six with their celebrity partner Drew Lasche. Burke earned 53 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: her second consecutive Dancing with the Stars trophy on season 54 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: three with their celebrity partner Emmett Smith. So let's go 55 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: ahead and get Cheryl in here. 56 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, thanks for having means. 57 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: Have you met Dan before? 58 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: I think? 59 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: Wait, how do I know you? 60 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: Big? 61 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: He was on Big Big Brother I've never seen Big Brothers. Traders? 62 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: You he was on Traders. Traders. Yes, that's it. 63 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: Nice to meet you, Nice to beat you. So a 64 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: fan of the both of you? Oh, I know you already. 65 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of you. We had Max in the 66 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: studio who was on Traders with us. 67 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I saw that. 68 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: Yes, he's amazing. Now is Trader something that you would 69 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: ever do? Totally? Absolutely? I freaking love that show? 70 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: Are you kidding? I'm a huge fan. 71 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Well I might have some connections, but oh really, I 72 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: just need you to answer this question. 73 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: Okay, sure, sure, I'm ready for it. 74 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: How does one get cast on Dancing with the Stars. 75 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm just asking for a friend. 76 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: The same way that they get cast on Traders. Oh, 77 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: I'm like hello, I mean yeah, the person who casts 78 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 3: you own Traders. You should talk to that. 79 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: Person, I know, right. I mean, actually, dancing the start 80 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: is probably my biggest nightmare because I can't dance? 81 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: Would you want to do it? 82 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: I always like a challenge in dancing. No, but this 83 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: is a. 84 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: Different This is different. Okay, this is like Survivor meets 85 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars, except wait, can you explain water 86 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: once a week? Really? 87 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: Can you explain that to me? Why do you say 88 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: that it's seven days a week? Okay, it's not the glitter, 89 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's not. Look, it's full on. It's like 90 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: you have to learn a new dance in three days. 91 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: It's not one. It's not in a week. You don't 92 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: have a full week to learn a dance because you've 93 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: got to turn in your dance so that the director 94 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: can choreograph the cameras. It's a whole thing, and it's 95 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: physically and ment to lead challenging, and it's really about 96 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: if you're ready to which I know you are. You're 97 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: very open and vulnerable. But if you're not ready for that, 98 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: like this is gonna you're just gonna have a horrible time. 99 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: Like you have to strip it all down and be 100 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 3: ready to look stupid, to feel stupid. You gotta trust 101 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: your partner from the moment you say Hi, nice to 102 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: meet you, and that's it. Like, don't question your partner 103 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: because they obviously have your best interest in it. It's 104 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: a whole psychological thing. 105 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: How long is a typical practice, So you said you 106 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: practice seven days a week when you're in the studio dancing, 107 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: how long is a practice for a complete beginner like 108 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: someone like myself or Tam like when you're on the show. 109 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, well so they only allow four hours, but we 110 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: will take you elsewhere and get your shit together because 111 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: four hours ain't gonna cut it. Like, so we do extra. 112 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: I mean, people cheat all that. Like, there's no way 113 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: that the quality of dancing that you see is done 114 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: in four hours with interviews with all of that stuff 115 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: that we need to do for television. So I mean, honestly, 116 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: back in the day when there was no rules, I 117 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: was eight to ten hours a day easily. 118 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: Holy hell, that's why everybody comes out so snatched and 119 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: skinny and acts and everything and secho see a therapist 120 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: at geez all that dancing and you're like burning more 121 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: calories and you're actually taken in. 122 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the stress and anxiety of the show. I 123 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: think too, because it's like and who wants to dance 124 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: on a full stomach and then be up in someone's 125 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: girl like smelling like girlic. 126 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 1: Oh god, that's very true. 127 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 2: How much would you have to push your partners so 128 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: I know you've had a lot of athletes, would you 129 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: have to push them to go extra? And how much 130 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: of that was you playing the role of like psychologist 131 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: slash coach to get them to where they needed. 132 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: To be with every partnership. 133 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: I was definitely that as far as they're you know, 134 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 3: we're their backbone, right as far as these celebrities go, 135 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: because like they don't know what is right, what is wrong, 136 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: what looks good, what doesn't look good? Like I could 137 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: tell them to put a clown hat on and they 138 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: have to do it like they just got you, and 139 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: to shimmy and shake their ass off until the music stops, 140 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: like whatever I say, And if you fight it. It's 141 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: it's just going to be a problem, right, Like there's 142 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: just no way. But as far as athletes, I never 143 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 3: really had to push them. Actually, Emmett Smith, that dude 144 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 3: behind me, he actually put me in my place, which 145 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: mad respect because anyone that can do that, I'm like, oh, okay, 146 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: you have boundaries, shit okay. But he was like, I'm 147 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: only giving you four hours a day, and he wanted 148 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: back then he was with his now ex wife, but 149 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: like he had a family, you know, and it's and 150 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: it easily could you could fall in this rabbit hole 151 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: of just like honestly, the family's second priority because like 152 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: the demands of the show is so intense. But we 153 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 3: traveled back and forth every week from Dallas to la 154 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 3: He gave me four hours. But the difference between Emmett 155 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: and let's say, any other person I dance with is 156 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: that you can tell he took my direction and rehearsed 157 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 3: it in his head and at home he ate he 158 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: like it was breathing this stuff, you know, constantly. Twenty 159 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: four seven, and he came into the studio the next 160 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: day improved, And that's all that matters. I don't give 161 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: a shit if you give me thirty seconds of your time. 162 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: Like the most important rehearsal is what you use, like 163 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: the downtime, right, Like are you memorizing your steps so 164 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: we don't have to freaking go over this again for 165 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: the millionth time? Like you've got to do the work. 166 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: I would be a nightmare for any dancer trying to 167 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: teach me. 168 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 3: Are you sure? Are you not being hard on yourself? 169 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: No? 170 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 1: Are you share with dancer? 171 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: No? No, It was not about the dancing and the ability. 172 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: We can teach that, but it's about your mental ability. 173 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh, my mental abilities. 174 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: There. 175 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: I've done a fitness I've done a fitness competition. I 176 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: train all the time, but I just have two left feet. 177 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: You'd be great. 178 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: Then, Oh okay, then let's do it. 179 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: It was fine, and you come. 180 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: Out of my partner. Have you ever had two girls 181 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: dance together? 182 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: They did? 183 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 184 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: They did? 185 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: See well yeah Jojo see one Jenna? 186 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's right. Yeah. So you won the 187 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: trophy when. 188 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: Nineteen twenty, nineteen twenty with Emmett, right, yeah, Emmett Andrew Lache, 189 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: when you. 190 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: Came out back to back, I mean, and to have 191 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 2: that much success early on, did that set the stage 192 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: for you, like, I'm going to win this thing every year? 193 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: How did you keep that in perspective? 194 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: It just was a downwards downhill will spiral from there, 195 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: I mean, if as far as results go. But I 196 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: had no expectations, and I think that's why I was 197 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: so successful, because there's that whole thing right when you 198 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: grip too hard and you really want something so bad 199 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: you just don't get it. But it's when you really 200 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: go in and have no expectations. I was going to 201 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: go back to Harlem, where I was competing with my 202 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: partner at that time professionally in the circuit of ballroom dancing. 203 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: But you know, it's interesting because, as I continued, I've 204 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: done twenty six seasons of this show. It's such a 205 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 3: great learning experience as well, because when you become or 206 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: when I at least become competitive and I want something 207 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: so much, it ain't gonna happen like it has to 208 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: be for the right intention. It has to literally, it's 209 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: not the end all be all, not curing cancer like 210 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: it's just another mirror ball. But also what's interesting too, 211 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: is because I've done it and approached each season differently, 212 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: and I've learned a lesson every single time. But when 213 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: I don't make it about my celebrity partner, for example, 214 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: and it's like me wanting it more than anything, it's 215 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 3: like that doesn't work right. 216 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: It's like dancing with the Stars. Max said something exactly 217 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: the same. He says, when I started, it was more 218 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: like here I am, and it wasn't he learned. It 219 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: wasn't about him, it was about you know, whoever he 220 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: was training at the times. 221 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: That the antithesis of how professional dancing is. Though, So 222 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 2: outside of Dancing with the Stars, if you want to 223 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: go win a competition, isn't it like that where it's 224 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 2: like it's got to be about you and you have 225 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: to do that, and this is teaching you. It's not 226 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: like that. 227 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 3: It's you know, ballroom is it takes two right, So 228 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: it's a partner dancing, so in that sense, like you 229 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: can't just care about yourself, right in that sense, Like 230 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: I think what's so beautiful about ballroom dancing is the 231 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: gravity that two people can make with one another and 232 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: the power of the execution within that, as opposed to 233 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 3: like solo dancing, like what you see on so you 234 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: think you can dance, but still like you walk into 235 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: a ball dance competition. I mean there's egos. 236 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean I have one. 237 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 3: We all have an ego, right, it's just a matter 238 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: of like how obvious. 239 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: Anybody that's on a stage. Sure on anybody that's there. Yeah, 240 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: they all. We all have egos an ego. Yeah, some 241 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: worse than others. 242 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: We all want a standing ovation. Let's just be freaking real. 243 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: So you had said that you've been on twenty you 244 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: were twenty six seasons. How many seasons a year do 245 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: you do because there's no way you did this for 246 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: twenty five years. 247 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm like ninety five years old. 248 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I you look great for ninety five. 249 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: Thanks, it's the Asian. No, we did two seasons a year. 250 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: I would say the first few year years, at least 251 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: like ten years we did two seasons a year. So 252 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: I started when I was twenty one. I'm forty, but 253 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: I'm obviously no longer on the show for the last 254 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: couple of years. 255 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, we did. 256 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: Starting season three, we did two seasons a year. I 257 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: mean the show was huge. We had Super Bowl ratings. 258 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Do you miss it? Of course, of 259 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: course I miss it. 260 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily miss the I mean I don't necessarily 261 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: miss the training because it's always a hit and miss, right, 262 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: Like unless if it's like I have, you know, obviously 263 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: my few that I just loved, Because for me, it's 264 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: not so much if you can dance, it's about our 265 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 3: if I like you as a person, like to be 266 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 3: quite honest, because at the end of the day, if 267 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: I don't like you as a person, this is going 268 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 3: to be miserable. Like it's just going to be a 269 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: miserable experience and vice versa. By the way, I'm sure 270 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: a lot of my partners didn't like me. 271 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: Is there a certain age no everybody loves you? Is 272 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: there a certain age for the for the professional dancers 273 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: on Dance with the Stars where you like tap out, Like, 274 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,239 Speaker 1: is it you can just keep from everybody? 275 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: Is it like if Karina Smirnoff was still on the show, 276 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: she would be just as good. Like there's certain people 277 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: that will never the age, Like at ninety nine, she's. 278 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: Still going to do a killer rumble walk. So it's 279 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: not It's not like baseball or another sport where it 280 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: is is it like when you're like, oh, you're you're 281 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: forty your way doll to be playing football? 282 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: Like but then you know, I think if you're competing 283 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: at the competitive level, yes, but when you're doing Dancing 284 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 3: with the Stars, I don't think it matters. 285 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 286 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just depends on your confidence level when you're 287 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: in those skimpy costume. Is it going to take a 288 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: toll on your mental health? Is the pressure? It's just 289 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: so much as you know that goes behind it was 290 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 3: there like a body image, like you ever felt like 291 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: oh I have to be so skinny or you have 292 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: to keep your weight, like modeling where you you know, 293 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: everyone's got to be so skinny and you have to 294 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: wear these skimpy outfits. Like was it so much pressure 295 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: to keep your weight under a certain Sure? Yeah, but 296 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: it wasn't pressure from outside. It was pressure from I 297 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: mean for me at least, like when I you know, 298 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: on my podcast, I had someone on one of the 299 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: older pro dancers that's no longer there, who said that 300 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: she did feel pressure from the executives. Now for me, 301 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 3: I think I was so hard on myself already that 302 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: there was no need from that. But I also got blasted, 303 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: like for being too fat for television when you know, 304 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: there was a couple of people cast members that you 305 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 3: know basically said that I was a little bit overweight. 306 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: Wait, like your follow like competitors said that on the 307 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: show off. 308 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: Wow, I mean I wouldn't like in the press line 309 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: like and also obviously I'm not going to mention names, 310 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: but like it is, what's the past, and we're all 311 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 3: like have made amends and all of it. It's all good. 312 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: But like even prior to Dancing with Stars though, I 313 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: just want to be clear that my dance coach was 314 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 3: I had weigh ins, you know, as if I was 315 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: a boxer. So it's like I was on this thing 316 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: called like the Hollywood Diet, and it was like liquid, 317 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: it was like orange juice. I was like, of course, 318 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to pee every two seconds. And I mean, 319 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: anyone that's just drinking. 320 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: The way orange juice is filled with sugar. 321 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: Tell me about it. I know this was like in 322 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: the nineties. 323 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: So, so after you were retired from Dancing with the Stars, 324 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: did you start your podcast pretty quick after that? 325 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: So this time last year? So no, it was like 326 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 3: I would say, did I retire twenty twenty two and 327 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: November of twenty twenty two, I started my podcast this 328 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: time last year. 329 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: Okay, now when we met in Napa. We were doing 330 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: a podcast together. I didn't meet there. Yeah, we didn't 331 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: meet there, but we I know, we didn't meet. They 332 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: were actually met for the first time. I think it 333 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: was like jingle Ball or something like a long time ago, 334 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: long time ago. 335 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 336 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: And then of course we've seen each other at iHeart events, 337 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, all the time. I just remember seeing you 338 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: for the first time, like, oh my god, that's Cheryl Burke. 339 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god. And Teddy's over there, like hey Cheryl, 340 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know her. I was like, oh my god, 341 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: it was It was pretty amazing. 342 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: That's really sweet of you. And I feel like I 343 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: bonded with you right away because you're so open. We 344 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: don't do small talk, do we. 345 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: Now, we don't do small talking, you know what. One 346 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: thing that was so amazing that you've been so open 347 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: and honest about your sobriety and your journey with that, 348 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: and I just applaud you for that. I keep saying 349 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm not going to drink anymore. I'm not going to 350 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: drink anymore. And then you know, you go to a 351 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: dinner and I'm like, well, I'll have a glass. Why. 352 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: It's very hear you. It's very difficult for me. I'm 353 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: not a big drinker. But when I do drink, especially 354 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: like on the show or something, because I get nervous, 355 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: then I'm just a big old asshole. So I've decided, like, Okay, 356 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm not very aware. I'm very aware. I'm very aware. 357 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, no, I'm not an alcoholic, but I am. 358 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm a bad drunk, is what. I am. 359 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: A bad drunk. So I keep saying, you know what, 360 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: because my husband hardly drinks it all, he rarely will 361 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: drink ever since, y, you're not an addict. No, no, no, no, 362 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: I know. But I just the simple thought like Eddie's 363 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: like we should just because he hardly drinks, and said, 364 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: but he's like that we should just not drink at all. 365 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: It's like not good for you. It's putting there just 366 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: too much pressure in your body. And then I thought, 367 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: oh my god. As soon as you tell me that, 368 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, can I drink? 369 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: I start closet drinking, drink closet drunk. 370 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: Yes. But I'm just saying it's not easy. 371 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: It's not easy when you like, for me, I'm I'm 372 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: an addict, right, and I and I have you know, 373 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: been through the worst. And I'm great, I'm grateful that 374 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: I've been six years sober, but it really especially during 375 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: trying times like the last few years of like really 376 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: big changes that I've made in my life, I get 377 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: tested all the time. But I just know that for me, 378 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: and I'm sure it's not the same for you at all, 379 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 3: since you're not an addict. But if I ever did relapse, 380 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: I do know this one thing that I would go down. 381 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: I wouldn't stop, like because if I have broken that 382 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: trust and this in a way, it's competitive in a 383 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: odd way with myself, Like I've gone six years without 384 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: a single drop, So if I broke that, I'd be like, 385 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: e f it, Like we're just going to do it. 386 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: And I said, it's six years sober, And you said, 387 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: there's been trying times. What has allowed you to be 388 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: successful in those moments when it could have gone either way? 389 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: Because obviously it's not an easy thing to do. 390 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: No, it's a good question. It's sometimes just trying to 391 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: be present. But just like not promising that I'm never 392 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: going to drink again, because that for me is overwhelming, 393 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: Like to say that I'm never drinking ever again. In 394 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: my whole life, like I can't. I don't know what 395 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: the future holds, like none of us do, right, and 396 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: so sometimes you just have to take your life one 397 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: one second, if that's what it is, one second at 398 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 3: a time, and that feeling, like feelings do, they come 399 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: and go, will soon go away, especially if I'm just 400 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 3: living with whatever's unfolding in front of my eyes, you know. 401 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: So in the moment when you have that urge, you 402 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: just you pause. 403 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 3: I go straight to productivity, my socially acceptable drug. I 404 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: just work like I'm working. I have the longest to 405 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: do list at No. 406 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: One. 407 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: So that's like my new drug. It's it's definitely productivity, right, 408 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: and I think it's most of America's drug. But that's fine. 409 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: I'll just talk about myself. But like I am a 410 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 3: busy woman, you are a busy therapist. Was like, can 411 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: you sit? I'm like, I say that I meditate, but 412 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: I haven't lately because I'm clearly numbing something. Yeah. 413 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: So we know that you have your podcast Sexialize and 414 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: Bret hands. 415 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 3: Correct and I can't wait till you come on after 416 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 3: you do a season. 417 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: Get me on, girl, get me. I don't know how 418 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: long I'll last but I'll try my heart at. 419 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: One step at a time, like my sobriety exactly exactly. 420 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: So you have your podcast, are you still dancing? I 421 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: think there was a time that you had dance studios 422 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: as well. A long yeah, there was one I think 423 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: that popped up in my neighborhood in Orange County. Yes, yes, 424 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: I remember that. It's in a strip mall. It wasn't 425 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: a strip mall right next to my jeweler, right by 426 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: the CBS, so there's never there. Definitely didn't work, so well, 427 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: there goes that. 428 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, my mom wanted to open up a whole 429 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: franchise and I was like, Mom, like, it's called Cheryl 430 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: Burke Dance and Cheril Brooke's never going to be there, 431 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: like this is gonna work right like and it didn't. 432 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: So not only do you have a podcast, you're a 433 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: professional dancer, but you're also an advocate for mental health, 434 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: and I mean in a very seasoned podcaster as well. 435 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: What made you talk about mental health because it's something 436 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: that a lot of people do not want to talk. 437 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 3: About when it comes to mental health in general. I 438 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 3: think that well, selfishly, I mean I just talked to 439 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 3: Ginger Z on my podcast, and she wrote two books 440 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 3: about you know, being raped, getting abortions and like a 441 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 3: lot of trauma that happened to her, and even hearing 442 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 3: her story still inspires me. And I just know that 443 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: it's a lonely place mental health, right because there is 444 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: the stigma, and we do get lost in our heads, 445 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: in our thoughts, and we start to believe our thoughts, 446 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: and then it shapes who we are today, to be 447 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: quite honest, and we define ourselves. And I can say 448 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: I'm not just like preaching for everyone, but I still 449 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 3: am working through the fact that I define myself by 450 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 3: my what happened to me in my past, and it's 451 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 3: up to us to change the story like it is, 452 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: and we can still we don't have to ignore what happened. 453 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: And I don't think that's healthy either, But I think 454 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: talking about it selfishly is healing, but also really does 455 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 3: is so cliche, but it does help others feel like 456 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 3: they're not alone, and that's the thing. Rye there. 457 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure you get tons of emails, people reaching out 458 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: on Instagram wanting to talk to you about it as well. 459 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 3: I'm all for I'm not a certified therapist by any means, 460 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 3: not even close, but I've been in therapy in my 461 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: whole life. 462 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: Sure, let me ask this because I want to like Pivot, 463 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: because I love the gamesmanship behind a lot of shows 464 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: and something like dancing, something like Dancing with the Stars. 465 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: You're on it for twenty six seasons, and so at 466 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 2: some point I would have to imagine there's like a metagame, right, 467 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: Like you've clearly displayed how competitive you are. Is there 468 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: what kind of things did you learn throughout the twenty 469 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: six seasons that you could do that would output a 470 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: better outcome for you, Whether it's how you played the 471 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 2: audience for votes or would you mess with other competitors? 472 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: Was there anything what would you do to get a 473 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: leg up in this you know, cutthroat dancing competition. 474 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: I would say the reason for my success, like I 475 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, in a way, is that I focused on 476 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: making my celebrity shine and not myself. I learned that 477 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: from the get go, Like I learned that from day one, 478 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 3: and I never it never crossed my mind to showcase myself. 479 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: And I think that's what that's why I was so successful. 480 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: And then so that you've had a super long career, 481 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: I mean twenty six seasons of anything is insane, Like 482 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: that's incredible, which is. 483 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: Odd friends, maybe right, right, yeah, so that's amazing. 484 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: But for you, like now that you look back on that, 485 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: you've been on television for twenty six seasons, You've done 486 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: so much for you at this stage in your life, 487 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: what does success mean to you now reminiscing but also 488 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: in the future. 489 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Oh, you're getting deep. Yeah, I was going to say that. 490 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: Damn good question. 491 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 3: Well, success is for me, failure, like there is no 492 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: success without failures. 493 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: Gave me goose bumps, honestly. 494 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: Because like on it, can you imagine if there was 495 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 3: if no one failed, you. 496 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Wouldn't learn it? What the hell is six? What is success? 497 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: Then? 498 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: Like there is no there really has to be. It 499 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 3: has to be black and white. And I didn't know 500 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 3: that and there's no such thing. And now I get 501 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 3: it when people say, or the gurus say, there's no 502 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: such thing as perfection, because like that is just our 503 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 3: own perception of what perfection is. And that's not even perfect, 504 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: by the way, because there is no definition of that 505 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 3: and there's not one way to be perfect. So when 506 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: you like really make peace with that, right, And for me, 507 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: it had to be when I retired because like obviously, 508 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: like you live in a bubble, like as I'm sure 509 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: you have experienced as well when your other shows that 510 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 3: you've done, but like it, it's there is no peripheral 511 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: like and it's end all, be all, and the mirror 512 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: of the nasty mirror ball is what we're like buying 513 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 3: for Okay, we're not getting in a new car or 514 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: new house. 515 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: So it does help if. 516 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: You've been on twenty six seasons. There's no for sure 517 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: cash price, though you still get paid, okay, but it's 518 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 3: a like my first two balls were made from a 519 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: lamp shade, like. 520 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: This is nuts. 521 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: Maybe you need by a rat, like like what the 522 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: hell is happening here? 523 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: Anyway? 524 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 3: But it's not about that, right, So now I look 525 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: into because as I'm still doing a show about the 526 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: show I was on, or a podcast about the show 527 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 3: I was on. It's interesting because what I've learned now 528 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 3: with what success is is to be vulnerable, to let 529 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 3: your ego. First of all, is to take accountability over it. All, Right, 530 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: You've got to take accountability, and all you can do 531 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 3: is change yourself. And yet when I was on the show, 532 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: all I tried to do is change my celebrity. 533 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: So when did you learn that? When did that? When 534 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: did that moment hit you? Like, this is what's what 535 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: success is to me, because it's not easy to push. 536 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: Of. You know, I don't just believe me, I still 537 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: have one, Like, let's not get it twisted, like and uh, 538 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 3: it's very rare that I pushed my ego to the side. 539 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 3: But like when I do, it is it's like peace 540 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: is enjoy and just contentment, honestly for me, is what 541 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 3: I aim for, not even joy because that's just unattainable 542 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: most of the time. It's like feeling that calmness, which 543 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: I defined as boring back in my day. Just that calmness, 544 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: that calm without the chaos is really important in my 545 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 3: life and I think it's what's going to prolong my 546 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: life of peace and maybe once in a while happiness, 547 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: Like that's all I care about. 548 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think has been your hardest obstacle 549 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: and how have you succeeded in getting through them? 550 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, artest obstacle? Would say, I mean, like my sobriety, 551 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. But I would say the 552 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: past two years it's not just one thing. It's the 553 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: fact that I divorced. I also decided to quit my job, 554 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 3: and then I also decided to move and I. 555 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Did hear something you do that all at once. 556 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: I don't know a lot more things. Supposedly, I would 557 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: have checked myself into the nearest psych world. 558 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: Yes, five things. You can't do that, right, waite? What 559 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: is the saying? 560 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: Because someone just said this to me, I've never heard that. 561 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: I thought it was a huge Is it? 562 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: Oh shit? 563 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: Is it three? I thought it was five? 564 00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: What's the. 565 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, if you if you reach five, then you're dead. 566 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: You're dead. 567 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 3: No, I think it's five. I think it's five. Thank god. 568 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the end. I think I've met you right when 569 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: you were going through your divorce separated. Yeah, yeah, separated. 570 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: That was a pretty difficult thing for you to go through. 571 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And you know now, I you know. I 572 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: still haven't dated. By the way, remember in my other podcast, Yeah. 573 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: You've never been. 574 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 3: I have been on one one and done done. Like 575 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 3: this is the other thing I learned about myself that like, 576 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 3: until I changed the pattern within myself first of all, 577 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: and then learn to like love and respect myself, there's 578 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: no changing the men I end up being with because 579 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 3: I have to that really is all work that I 580 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: need to do in order for me to change the pattern. 581 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 3: And I'm still in the process of it. Don't judge me. 582 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: I would never judge you. But have you ever considered 583 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: writing a book, because I feel like. 584 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: Everything I had to write a book? Oh? You did 585 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 3: currently I did a long time ago. But I'm currently 586 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: doing my second book. 587 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: Oh awesome, gratulations on that. And is that going to 588 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: be about what you've gone through? 589 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: Ye, this is just a continue. It is called choosing Me, which. 590 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: Is that is so amazing. I'm so happy for you. 591 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 3: I mean, it's literally we have any worse in the 592 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: beginning stages. So I'll get to Yeah. 593 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: But just hearing you talk and the things you're saying 594 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: and how inspirational you are, I thought, oh my god, 595 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: Cheryl needs to write a book about this. 596 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. 597 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: I'd buy it. I'd buy it. Then we'll have you 598 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: on twats right, we talk about it and we'll get those. 599 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 4: We'll get those, Cheryl. 600 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: I have a couple more questions for you. So you 601 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 2: said one of the things you define success as is failure. 602 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: Can you tell us one of the last things you 603 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: fail that that you've ended up feeling good about. 604 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, your marriage, just kidding, is there an echoing here? Divorced? Yeah, 605 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: getting rid of that hunter. 606 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: Actually I founded in that, Thank god I got out 607 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 3: right right. 608 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: That is a excess success. 609 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: It was in it that was kind of like, no, 610 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: I'm kidding, what was your question again? 611 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: When was the last start? This fault? 612 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: She just got how you find success as failure? What's 613 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: one of the last things you failed that and it 614 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: was a success, so you felt good about it? 615 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 3: I would say, first of all, like this whole mammogram thing, 616 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 3: like I'm forty and I just kept pushing it off 617 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: and pushing it off and pushing it off. And I 618 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: hate doctors, and I'm sure everyone can relate, and I 619 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: would just you know, I'm like going to turn forty 620 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: one and then I still wouldn't have gotten a mammogram, 621 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: and like the excuses that I made, and I just 622 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 3: felt like a failure because I just didn't have the 623 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: balls to do it. Then I did it, and just 624 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: those little like goals that you know you achieve and 625 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 3: it's not little, it's your freaking health, like it's your body, 626 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: and to have that peace of mind, I just felt like, 627 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: was I deserve a gold star for that you do. 628 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: And everything was fine. I saw you posted on Instagram about. 629 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: That, thank God. But you see, like are my are 630 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 3: they can play tricks on us. And that's the thing. 631 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: It's like when people say, watch what you say out 632 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 3: loud because it will manifest or even like your thoughts. 633 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: I mean, that's something I have to be very aware 634 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 3: of because I am very self deprecating and that isn't 635 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: necessarily though it may I think it may be funny, 636 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 3: it's not right, Like you don't want you do want 637 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 3: to be careful with your words and what you put 638 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: out there. 639 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: Yes, so mine's not. I mean obviously on the show 640 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: I say a lot, then I probably wouldn't say and 641 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: real life, but for me, it's not what I'm saying, 642 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: it's what I'm thinking. I suffer from like intrusive thoughts. 643 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: So and it's and I know it and I tell 644 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: myself shut up, Like I have conversations in my head. 645 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm a little crazy. I don't know. 646 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: But it's like Eddie's, It's it's a daily thing. Eddie's like, oh, 647 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to take my motorcycle out into my mind. 648 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm like he's gonna crash, I'm gonna have to plan 649 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: a funeral, and how's it going to feel to be 650 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: a widow? And I mean, I go through all these scenarios. 651 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, enough, what am I doing this for? 652 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: It's so bizarre. I don't know. I probably should. 653 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: Saying about her husband just now. She's like I had 654 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: the worst intrusive thought, like and it was about her 655 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 3: husband's same thing. 656 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: I do that with everything. If my daughter dies somewhere, 657 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: and it's like. 658 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: I do it with green lights red lights on the traffic. 659 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well, if it turns red right now, 660 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: that means I'm gonna you know, like I go crazy 661 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 3: up in my head, like it's crazy. 662 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: See what happens to me if I lose my keys 663 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: or I'm like late somewhere, I lost my phone. I'm like, 664 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: I was supposed to lose that because I was going 665 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: to get hit by a car if I don't leave, 666 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: like if I left on time. That's like, that's my intrution. 667 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: That's a good way of thinking about that's not intrusive. 668 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, that's truth. 669 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: Surrendering, Yes, surrendering, that's like our acceptance, Like Okay, I 670 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: lost them. It's all right, because maybe I would have 671 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: gone an accident if I got my car earlier. 672 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: Wait, there's not one. But there's not one thought that 673 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 3: goes through your mind. You're like like mean to yourself. 674 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 3: You don't like get mad at yourself. 675 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I think we're all super I'm really hard 676 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 2: on myself. Like if I wake up five minutes late, 677 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: I miss a workout, I'm like, I'm like, it's like 678 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: a punching bag up there. I'm like totally yeah, but 679 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: I think everyone does that to some extent. 680 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: Do you come from a solid family background. 681 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's different. I'm talking. 682 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: Find assassinating another time. 683 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: Is there a key to winning with the Stars? Is 684 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: there something that you can do you can tell your 685 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: partner when you're teaching them, like, this is the key 686 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: to winning. 687 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: Shut up and listen to me. 688 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: Just shut up and listen. 689 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: I'm kidding. I do say this before we go live 690 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: every time. It's just it's just me, you and the music. Like, 691 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 3: don't think about anybody else because it's it really is. 692 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 3: This is the beauty of ballroom. It's it's two people 693 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 3: dancing with each other and people who are observing it. 694 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 1: Dance and you judges, but don't worry about it. Okay, 695 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: sharing with a person. 696 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: But this is the thing, and this is my pet peeve. 697 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: When I watch people dance, when they dance to the camera, 698 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, what what are you? 699 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: Why are you winking at me? While I'm watching you, 700 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: like what what are you winking? 701 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: What are you winking at? Like you have a hot partner, 702 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: do something like look at the like look at the 703 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: partner you're dancing with, And that for me, it just 704 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 3: gets me disconnected from you and your journey in two seconds. 705 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: So can I ask of semi inappropriate question for so 706 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: on this show, like you're spending all this time and 707 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: you and other people like intimate time, like physically touching 708 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: each other. Does that like affect people's relationships that go 709 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: on the show? And yes, like what happens? 710 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: Well that that's on you and the other person of 711 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: the relationship because it's like your your foundation better be 712 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: strong right coming into it. And this is why there's 713 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: this thing called the DWTS curse for all the bachelor 714 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 3: bachelorette folks that join because they had just gotten newly engaged, 715 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: they've been like hiding out because it hasn't aired yet, 716 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 3: and then they do Dancing with the Stars, like that 717 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: really tests you and a lot of them don't come 718 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: out the same. 719 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: Is there things that, like you would give advice to 720 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: people going on, like you, here's X you can do 721 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: to prevent that from happening outside of. 722 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 3: Like communication, dude, Like I mean, like we can't like 723 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 3: we're doing listen, we're there as your teachers, and you 724 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: have to have chemistry and people can people know when 725 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 3: it's fake. So like I just you got to find 726 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: it somewhere right. And I'm not saying it has to 727 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: be physical or disrespectful. You need to set boundaries too, 728 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: Like that's another thing there, Like with Emmett, like I said, 729 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: it was four hours and. 730 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: That was it. 731 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: He wasn't giving me more. So there was no after rehearsal. 732 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: There's no after hours, meaning at night time sometimes we rehears. 733 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: But also my suggestion to anyone who's in a relationship 734 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 3: that does Dancing with the Stars, involve your spouse. Like 735 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: I was again just talking to ginger Z. Her husband 736 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 3: was the loudest cheerleader. She he flew with her from 737 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: New York because she had to do Good Morning America. 738 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: So she was going back and forth, and not only 739 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: was he the loudest in the audience, but he was 740 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 3: a part of their packages. And mind you, this guy 741 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 3: is a solid man, like zero insecurity. Didn't express any jealousy, 742 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: like he's like literally she married God, I think. And 743 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 3: so I was just like so fascinated by this, And 744 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 3: I said, well, do you think this is the secret? Right? 745 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: So that like nothing gets kind of shaken up right 746 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 3: at home? And because like I don't think I could. 747 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 3: I don't think I can have my spouse try hump 748 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: somebody on care. 749 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: I might have a problem with that, thank you, right, 750 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: I problem with that is you yeah, yeah, but like 751 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: and that has nothing to do with them. 752 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 3: It has everything to do with us. Who has the problem? 753 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: Right, Like in general, my wife Chelsea, I'm like, no, 754 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: I'm cool with that. 755 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 3: Would she let you cool? 756 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: Would she be cool with you? 757 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: I think so because she knows I'm a horrible dancer 758 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: and it would look weird. 759 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: Anyways, No, that's not about but you you asked a 760 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: question and it wasn't so much about the damn I spent. 761 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 2: But I think what you said, I think is really 762 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 2: important involving the signific absolutely. 763 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 3: Like it's not like bring your wife to work day, 764 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 3: but it's like, oh, it's just about it's a matter 765 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: of like how open and honest you are, you know, 766 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 3: and also like introduce them your arranged marriage, you know, 767 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 3: which is the pro partner versus like your real one 768 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 3: at home. I think it'sant communication. It really is that. 769 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: This is kind of a stupid question. But when you 770 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: had with your partner, right you dance with do you 771 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: guys meet at the studio where you film Dance with 772 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: the Stars to practice or do you have your own 773 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: studio or jim that you train at. Is everybody training 774 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: together at the same time, Well. 775 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 3: They have Dancing with the Stars studios. Now this is 776 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: why it's four hours because there's only so many of them. 777 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 3: And let's say you have ten couples that start the season, 778 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 3: so they have to spread everyone around. But this is 779 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 3: super like this is not allowed by any means, but 780 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 3: I do. I did secret rehearsals. I don't care. I'm 781 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 3: not gonna get in trouble now. But like I would 782 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: you're fired now, out of my own pocket. I would 783 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 3: rent studios and I would do it at a time 784 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 3: where there wasn't tons of people around, and I'd make 785 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: my celebrity can go there like you're not ready, like 786 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 3: you tell me you can foxtrot right now and you 787 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 3: know your steps without me go. You know, if you 788 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 3: can't do it, there's nothing worse in feeling insecure the 789 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 3: night of a live performance, like you might as well 790 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 3: find the nearest exit. 791 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: Sure, chare else You wrap things up here so you've 792 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: had an incredible career and continue to do things. I 793 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: want to ask you, though, if everything you know now 794 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: and how it's affected you as a person and affected 795 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: your life, if you could go back, would you go 796 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: through this ride again, these twenty six seasons? Would you 797 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: do it again? 798 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 799 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 2: Why would you do it again? 800 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 3: I mean this was like the highlight of my life, 801 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: you guys, as much as as much trauma and all 802 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: of it that came along with it, there's still nothing 803 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 3: like it. I would do it all over again instead 804 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 3: of But actually I'd set up a few boundaries. 805 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, with everything you've accomplished and writing the 806 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: book now and the podcast, is there something that you 807 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: want to do next? 808 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 3: You know, honestly, what do I want? 809 00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: You? 810 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: No? No, you know I do want This is going 811 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 3: to be random, but I would love there's a whole 812 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 3: another story of like my father, there's just so many 813 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 3: unanswered questions about people for example, and loved ones and 814 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 3: their death right and like some a lot of people 815 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 3: may not know they're real reason anyway, there's all this 816 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 3: like crime side of things, and I definitely had one 817 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 3: of those stories with my real father, and I believe 818 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 3: since you know the police situation and when it comes 819 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 3: to like it's a little slow, like let's just be honest, right, 820 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 3: like when people are trying to find loved ones or answers, 821 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 3: like you don't get answers right away. I think there's 822 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 3: a need for this and I would love to help 823 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 3: others because I would say that I'm a natural private investigator. 824 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 3: It just comes easy. I don't know if that's something 825 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 3: you developed, it's genetic or kidding, but like, yeah, anyway, 826 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,479 Speaker 3: this is what I want to do, want to help 827 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 3: people and be of service, but in a way where 828 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 3: they get answers because it's like never because I still 829 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 3: don't have answers with how my father died. But that's 830 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 3: a whole other podcast. 831 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting. That was not what I was expecting 832 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: or I'm like where No. I thought, I'm like when 833 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: you said, well, this is like random and I and 834 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, she want to go to medical school. She 835 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: want to be a doctor, like a lawyer. 836 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 2: Like light bulbs firing off. I'm going to talk to 837 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 2: you when we're done wrapping. 838 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 3: Really, No, I just like I have lots of you know, 839 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 3: there's a lot of layers to my onion. 840 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, would you be interested in doing like a true 841 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: crime podcast? 842 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 3: Totally? You know, I love this mic you sleep with it? 843 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: How often do you podcast too much? 844 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 3: Three days a week? Yeah, like today, this is two 845 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 3: out of the way. I just did one. We've got 846 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 3: four more episodes. Let's hit it and quit it. 847 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: That's good though, you're killing it. 848 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 3: You know you're killing it and we all know that. 849 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, and thank you so. 850 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: Much for coming on. 851 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me try not to work too hard whatever. 852 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 3: I'm going to go right back to it so I 853 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 3: don't have to feel my feeling. 854 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll see you soon at some event. 855 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Thank you guys. 856 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: Bye bye,