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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Daniel here. For six years and six hundred episodes,

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Speaker 1: I've been talking to you about how wonderful and mysterious

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Speaker 1: just me. Along the way, We've made a lot of

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Speaker 1: make everybody feel welcome in this exploration of the universe.

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Speaker 1: And it's been a pleasure an honor to host this

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Speaker 1: understanding the cosmos, because I really do think that the

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Speaker 1: and that you deserve that explanation. When we started, I

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Speaker 1: had no idea how long this podcast would go for.

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Speaker 1: After two hundred, three hundred or five hundred episodes, I

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Speaker 1: was amazed that people still had an appetite for more physics.

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Speaker 2: And more Dad humor. But it was never.

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Speaker 1: Gonna last forever, and so it's with some wistfulness and

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Speaker 1: a lot of gratitude that I share with you today

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Speaker 1: at the news that this episode is our farewell episode.

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Speaker 1: But don't worry, neither the universe nor I are going

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Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Daniel.

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Speaker 1: I'm a particle physicist, and for the last few years

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Speaker 1: I've been the host of this podcast, Daniel and Jorge

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Speaker 1: Explain the Universe. I've had a rotating series of co hosts,

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Speaker 1: starting of course with Jorge, then going solo for a bit,

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Speaker 1: But I've been here with you on every single episode

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Speaker 1: because this project means something to me. It means a

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Speaker 1: lot to me. I'm a physicist, of course, but I'm

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Speaker 1: job is education, not just research. Of course, I teach

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Speaker 1: classes here at UC Irvine, from first year classical mechanics

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Speaker 1: Because there's this wonderful moment when ideas click together in

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Speaker 1: And I want to share those moments with all of you,

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Speaker 1: That's my major goal with this podcast and with my

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Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you for being there with me.

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Speaker 1: And although this particular podcast won't be continuing my desire

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Speaker 1: to connect with all of you to explore what we

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Speaker 1: that isn't going away. So I'm very happy to announce

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Speaker 1: my new podcast, Daniel and Kelly's Extraordinary Universe. You all

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Speaker 1: She and I have always had fun talking about science

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Speaker 1: It's not exactly the same as explaining the Universe, but

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Speaker 2: I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist.

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Speaker 1: I spend my days smashing protons together at the large

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Speaker 3: Basically, only one of us is qualified to be explaining

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Speaker 1: Yeah, physicists are not qualified usually to be explainers. Mostly

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Speaker 3: Right, So they like f equals MA or general relativity

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like when you first play Super

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Speaker 3: So then maybe the universe. It's almost like, at some

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Speaker 1: So we've had fun, and I hope that you've learned

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Speaker 1: you to understand that it's not just all of you

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Speaker 1: who've learned a bunch of science.

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Speaker 2: I have to you. See, physics is way.

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Speaker 1: Too vast for any one person to understand all of

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Speaker 1: it or even have time to try. So there are

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Speaker 1: always things I wanted to know more about, and as

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Speaker 1: I became more and more specialized in experimental particle physics,

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Speaker 1: I felt myself lacking those opportunities, but still asking the questions,

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Speaker 1: how do galaxies form, how do we know what's going

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Speaker 1: on inside stars? Do we know what's going on inside stars?

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Speaker 1: And so the podcast was a great excuse to go

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Speaker 1: and learn about these things, a reason to spend an

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Speaker 1: hour reading up on the latest research on intergalactic magnetic

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Speaker 1: fields or whatever the topic was that week. It also

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Speaker 1: helped me understand particle physics, because yeah, I certainly learned

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Speaker 1: all this stuff at one point, but you really have

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Speaker 1: to understand everything and have a click in your mind

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Speaker 1: if you're going to explain it to non experts and

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Speaker 1: answer top questions from our co hosts. So I asked

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Speaker 1: our co hosts what this experience was like for them

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Speaker 1: and whether they had any farewell messages for all of you.

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Speaker 6: Here's what I heard back, Hey, this is Katie Golden.

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Speaker 6: My favorite topic was the episode on which forces power

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Speaker 6: the human senses, which for me was a perfect mix

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Speaker 6: of biology and physics. I love looking into the physics

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Speaker 6: that are behind our biological functioning like our vision, our hearing,

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Speaker 6: and also getting into some of the cool evolutionary biology

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Speaker 6: stuff of electromagnetism and how animals can sort of sense

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Speaker 6: like electromagnetism. And it was really really fun I enjoyed

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Speaker 6: kind of having that merging of my pet interest being

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Speaker 6: evolutionary biology and then learning about all of the cool

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Speaker 6: physics behind it from Daniel. I guess the most challenging

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Speaker 6: topic for me has been and continues to be trying

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Speaker 6: to visualize or understand gravity, understanding it is not a force,

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Speaker 6: and sort of also the idea that it is like

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Speaker 6: the curvature in space, but also that space isn't like

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Speaker 6: a physical fabric that bends. I still can't really wrap

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Speaker 6: my head around it. It's pretty difficult, and I'm sure

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Speaker 6: I'm not alone in that, But I despite it being

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Speaker 6: really challenging for me to understand or visualize or have

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Speaker 6: like a concept of, it's still really infinitely fascinating to me.

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Speaker 6: And my favorite moments on air definitely every time Daniel

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Speaker 6: would make some comparison between food and particle physics. I

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Speaker 6: feel like part of that was because we would often

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Speaker 6: record sometimes like for me, like before dinner, and you

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Speaker 6: would definitely make me hungry talking about spaghetification into black holes.

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Speaker 6: We also recently I don't know if this will be

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Speaker 6: out yet, so I'll try not to do any spoilers,

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Speaker 6: but we also recently did a listener question episode about

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Speaker 6: the warp drive in Star Trek, and I loved talking

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Speaker 6: about the fake sciencey schmayancy stuff in Star Trek, like

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Speaker 6: the science gibbers that they would talk about, like the

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Speaker 6: flux capacitors, et cetera. Also, I don't want to spoil

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Speaker 6: it the episode in case it's not out yet, but

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Speaker 6: there's a moment in it when my mind is completely

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Speaker 6: blown by sort of what would happen in reality in

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Speaker 6: a situation with warp drive, And you can probably tell

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Speaker 6: what it is because I don't know. I think I

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Speaker 7: Hello, this is Kelly Wiener Smith. So to be honest,

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Speaker 7: I found a lot of the topics kind of challenging. So,

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Speaker 7: you know, talking to a particle physicist as someone who

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Speaker 7: has absolutely no training in that area and knowing that

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Speaker 7: there's an audience listening to my responses, you know, it's

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Speaker 7: a bit of a humbling experience. And quite often before

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Speaker 7: I'd ask a question, I'd find myself thinking, oh, is

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Speaker 7: this a bad question? Does everyone know the answer to

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Speaker 7: this question already? But you know, my job was to

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Speaker 7: play the you know, the everyman or the every person

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Speaker 7: and ask whatever was on my mind or whatever. I

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Speaker 7: didn't think I was understanding quite well enough. So I

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Speaker 7: got over it and it was fun and I enjoyed

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Speaker 7: the challenge and I learned a lot by going through

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Speaker 7: these conversations with Daniel. I really enjoyed the running joke

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Speaker 7: that we had about how Daniel was always bringing up

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Speaker 7: questions about how my kids might die or how you know,

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Speaker 7: everybody might die, and how I couldn't let my kids

524
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Speaker 7: listen to the podcast because they would be petrified and

525
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Speaker 7: wouldn't be able to sleep at night. That was kind

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Speaker 7: of a fun running bit. And there was an episode

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Speaker 7: we recorded about uranus that it made me giggle quite

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Speaker 7: a bit because I have the heart of a twelve

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Speaker 7: year old. It has been so much fun, and I

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Speaker 7: learned so much by getting to come on and co

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Speaker 7: host every once in a while, and I really appreciate

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Speaker 7: the opportunity. Thanks everyone, But.

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Speaker 1: The podcast is much more than just me and the

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Speaker 1: co hosts. It wouldn't be what it is without all

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Speaker 1: of you out there listening and supporting it. And over

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Speaker 1: the years, I've heard a lot about how the podcast

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Speaker 1: has helped you or taught you something. A few listeners

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Speaker 1: sent in their thoughts about what they have learned and

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Speaker 1: the role of the podcast has played in their lives.

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Speaker 8: Hi, Daniel, your podcast has helped me to understand the

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Speaker 8: universe to a depth where I can start formulating an

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Speaker 8: intellectual and emotional connection to the cosmos on the grandest

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Speaker 8: or largest scale and the smallest or quantum scale. I

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Speaker 8: tried to express this in a painting I made recently

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Speaker 8: in which I learned two facts and combine them on

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Speaker 8: the painting. One was that fungal mycelium has a filamentous

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Speaker 8: network structure, and the other was something I learned from

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Speaker 8: your podcast that said, in which you told us that

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Speaker 8: galaxies in the universe form chains called galactic filaments that

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Speaker 8: connect groups and clusters of galaxies. These sorts of repeating

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Speaker 8: patterns in nature have always fascinated me, and to find

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Speaker 8: that the filamentous pattern of my celium is also found

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Speaker 8: at the largest scales of the universe just fills me

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Speaker 8: with awe. Thank you again, Daniel for sharing your knowledge

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Speaker 8: and understanding with the world through your podcast.

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Speaker 11: I enjoyed learning about how space expands because that kind

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Speaker 11: of stuff just blows my mind. Mostly, I enjoy the

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Speaker 11: podcast in general and learning about all these new things

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Speaker 11: that you've introduced to me because my friends are idiots

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Speaker 11: and I have no one to talk to.

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Speaker 9: Hello, Daniel and Hora, this is Walt from Tennessee. I've

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Speaker 9: learned a lot from listening to your podcast, but the

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Speaker 9: most significant item that I've learned is the realization of

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Speaker 9: how far we are from the ultimate knowledge of how

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Speaker 9: the universe really works. Plus, I really enjoy the speculations

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Speaker 9: about someday being able to ask aliens for the truth

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Speaker 9: after they've been around for millions of years. Unfortunately I

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Speaker 9: won't be around for that.

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Speaker 12: Once nor I had was on the July twenty fourth

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Speaker 12: episode about membranes. Katie said insane in the brain, and

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Speaker 12: just like we had planned and rehearsed it on my

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Speaker 12: response was insane in the brain, right on top of

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Speaker 12: your response. And I did get a little bit of

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Speaker 12: laugh out of that, and I'll bet a lot of

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Speaker 12: us had the same reaction, at least for those that

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Speaker 12: remember those older times. I do roll my eyes at

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Speaker 12: some of the in the beginning of the show between

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Speaker 12: you and Jorge, but it's still a good portion of

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Speaker 12: the show. Another thing I look forward to is listener questions,

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Speaker 12: especially the younger kids.

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Speaker 11: I love.

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Speaker 12: I love to hear younger kids asking, you know, questions

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Speaker 12: that you know I may know a lot more about

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Speaker 12: than them, but still it tells me that they're asking

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Speaker 12: and interested and you provoke those questions. So I think

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Speaker 12: that's great. Katie and Kelly are very nice additions, and

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Speaker 12: they add a lot more humor with their perspectives. Some

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Speaker 12: of my favorite episodes I love anything to do with

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Speaker 12: the sun. I love how the sun works and I

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Speaker 12: love to learn more about it. Some of the episodes

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Speaker 12: that leave my eyes glazing glazing over are the any

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Speaker 12: any any podcasts dealing with particles? I just I just

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Speaker 12: don't get it, but I still listen to them all,

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Speaker 12: and I listened, and I also look forward to listening

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Speaker 12: to the next one. Thanks for letting me play a

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Speaker 12: small part, not quite as small as your portion of

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Speaker 12: the Nobel Prize you want.

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Speaker 4: Daniel Johy, I'd just like to thank you onward from Australia.

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Speaker 4: I'd just like to thank you both for satisfying my

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Speaker 4: quest for knowledge and trying to help me understand quantum physics,

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Speaker 4: which is challenging for me. But I really appreciate what

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Speaker 4: you to do and you have a perfect balance.

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Speaker 13: Thank you so I remember the first episode that I

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Speaker 13: have ever heard, and it was very special for me

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Speaker 13: because it just make me laugh and I learned something new,

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Speaker 13: which was something that didn't happen for me for a

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Speaker 13: couple of months after I had a baby and I

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Speaker 13: was just struggling to find myself again, and after I

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Speaker 13: heard that episode that it was about the Gluons, every

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Speaker 13: day I would listen to at least four episodes while

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Speaker 13: I was taking care of my baby, and that helped

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Speaker 13: me so much, especially not to feel alone. So thank

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Speaker 13: you very much.

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Speaker 14: This is Eric from Idaho. I just wanted to let

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Speaker 14: you know that I discovered your show back in February

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Speaker 14: and from the very first episode, I was hooked for

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Speaker 14: four straight months. All he did was listen to every

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Speaker 14: single episode. My kids are way into it as well.

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Speaker 14: My son gave the best compliment I believe. He said, Dad,

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Speaker 14: I love Daniel and Jorge. They are just a couple

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Speaker 14: of dads sitting around talking about science and making some

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Speaker 14: dad jokes. I'm grateful for what you guys do and

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Speaker 14: look forward to another six hundred episodes.

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Speaker 15: Hi, Daniel and Hooge and Katie and Kelly as well.

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Speaker 15: My favorite moments are when you guys entered a discussion

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Speaker 15: about the reality behind the physical theories. It's very important

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Speaker 15: to me because it too reminds me that although being

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Speaker 15: the best tools and methods we have to predict and

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Speaker 15: manipulate nature, they are not an exact description of what

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Speaker 15: it really is. I deeply believe in science as one

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Speaker 15: of the best ways to understand and solve problems, but

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Speaker 15: knowing it has its limitations is also important not to

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Speaker 15: turn it into a under idealized or flawless or an

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Speaker 15: unbiased institution. During the COVID nineteen pandemic, for example, it

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Speaker 15: became very important to understand these limitations in a world

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Speaker 15: that was craving for information but also generating lots of disinformation.

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Speaker 15: Congratulations on a huge podcast you have. I hope it

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Speaker 15: becomes so big it turns into a black hole someday.

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Speaker 16: This podcast as a quite an important role for me

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Speaker 16: because it makes commuting bara. It is one of the

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Speaker 16: few good podcasts that get updated twice a week most

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Speaker 16: of the time, and therefore helps me bearing driving my car.

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Speaker 16: I very much like the possibility to chat with Daniel

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Speaker 16: about some physics topics I struggle to understand and have

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Speaker 16: someone who wants to share his thoughts and is willing

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Speaker 16: to listen to my thoughts about debatable topics. And it's

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Speaker 16: hard to find somebody like that. So this is a

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Speaker 16: great plus of this podcast. For example, our exchange about

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Speaker 16: the many worlds of interpretation and related topics, and also

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Speaker 16: so horus commentaries on all the topics are very entertaining.

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Speaker 16: By the way, we need more PhD comics, and so

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Speaker 16: this podcast is one of the foundations of my spare

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Speaker 16: time entertainment.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Daniel Norge. This is Dan from Vienna, Virginia. Here.

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Speaker 17: I've been with you guys since the beginning. At the

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Speaker 17: time I was looking for a new podcast, and this

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Speaker 17: just hit the mark. Early on, when Daniel would speak

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Speaker 17: of the type of matter that would make up galaxies, planets,

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Speaker 17: and people, he would frequently include hamsters. I figured he

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Speaker 17: must have owned one, as it's always seemed top of mine.

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Speaker 17: Maybe he just finds them cute. I've enjoyed the mind

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Speaker 17: bending topics and learning about the largest and smallest parts

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Speaker 17: of the universe. Perhaps I've had most interesting, though, were

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Speaker 17: the topics that were about those things in our solar

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Speaker 17: system that I never knew before.

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Speaker 18: Keep up the great work. Ever since I was a

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Speaker 18: little kid. It was fascinated astronomy, how the universe works

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Speaker 18: from every scale, the smallest to the largest, And once

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Speaker 18: I got into higher levels of education, I realized that

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Speaker 18: the advanced mathematics was not for me. But I always

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Speaker 18: remained an active spectator in the world of science and

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Speaker 18: its advancements and everything. In all of that, the challenge

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Speaker 18: with modern science reporting is that some of it is

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Speaker 18: not great. But once I found my way to this podcast,

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Speaker 18: I realized that these concepts may be incredibly complicated in

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Speaker 18: the calculation of them, but in actually understanding the premise

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Speaker 18: of them. It just needs somebody who can explain it.

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Speaker 18: And this podcast has helped do that for me and

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Speaker 18: obviously so many others. And while it's always been a

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Speaker 18: delight hearing my own voice on the pod trying to

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Speaker 18: answer questions poorly, the whole premise of it, the whole

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Speaker 18: engagement of a global community all working together to advance curiosity, fascination,

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Speaker 18: and understanding in how the world works around us and

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Speaker 18: realize we're all kind of closer together than we may think.

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Speaker 18: I love it and thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 19: I don't know if I have a favorite episode per se.

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Speaker 19: But I must say that when the audience participation questions

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Speaker 19: were conducted in person and I had an opportunity to

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Speaker 19: attend a conference in southern California, I was very, very

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Speaker 19: tempted to take a day off the conference proceedings and

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Speaker 19: find the UC Irvine campus and look for I don't

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Speaker 19: even know what to look for, some sort of what

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Speaker 19: I imagined to be a grizzly haired professor serve with a

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Speaker 19: microphone and or tape recorder. However, I did not do that,

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Speaker 19: And you know, perhaps it's fair to say that the

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Speaker 19: silver lining of the pandemic is that it encouraged the

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Speaker 19: audience participation to be expanded out into the realms of

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Speaker 19: the Internet. And I really enjoy that format, and I

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Speaker 19: was very very happy to have one of my listener

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Speaker 19: questions even answered on the pod.

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Speaker 20: Hi, Daniel and Jorge, congratulations on over six hundred episodes.

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Speaker 20: My name is Andrea, and I'm a relatively new fan

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Speaker 20: of the podcast. I think what I love most about

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Speaker 20: the podcast is how you explain super complex topics in

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Speaker 20: a way that is really accessible for people without dumbing

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Speaker 20: it down. Though I mean there's a lot of times

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Speaker 20: where I find myself having to go and do a

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Speaker 20: little digging after listening to your podcasts. But what really

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Speaker 20: keeps me coming back is your puerile sense of humor.

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Speaker 20: It is pretty funny to have that in the mix.

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Speaker 20: And finally, my very favorite part is when Daniel gets

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Speaker 20: upset about white chocolate. I never realized how kind of

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Speaker 20: pointless white chocolate was until I started listening to your podcast.

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Speaker 20: I totally agree. I was wondering if maybe you could

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Speaker 20: do a deep dive episode into the science behind and

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Speaker 20: history of white chocolate, but if you did, I'd probably

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Speaker 20: skip that one, so it might not be a good idea.

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Speaker 20: Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for validating my crusade against white chocolate. If

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Speaker 1: I've achieved nothing else on the podcast, I freed one

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Speaker 1: more person e from the tyranny of white chocolate, and

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Speaker 1: on the topic of the science of white chocolate, there

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Speaker 1: is it's scientifically disgusting. I also asked my wife, Katrina,

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Speaker 1: who I've referred to many times on the podcast and

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Speaker 1: whose voice you've occasionally heard, what she thinks the podcast

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Speaker 1: has meant for me and for the family.

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Speaker 2: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 21: Well, I love that Daniel has been doing this podcast.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I can't believe how big it's gotten and

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Speaker 21: how many episodes they've made. It's just amazing to me

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Speaker 21: what a life this thing has taken. And we really love.

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Speaker 21: Our family loves hearing the messages from the people on

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Speaker 21: the podcast. Like I remember during the pandemic there was

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Speaker 21: this group of housemates in Australia who were hilarious and

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Speaker 21: they sent in all these messages where they were having

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Speaker 21: fun together and listening to music and we were all,

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Speaker 21: you know, alone in our house and it was so fun.

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Speaker 21: All that interjected into our lives. And yeah, I just

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Speaker 21: I love that there are so many listeners and that

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Speaker 21: it's really impacted people's lives. I've heard stories about people

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Speaker 21: going back to school, or people you know, using this

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Speaker 21: as companion chip. And then even in our own family,

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Speaker 21: when our kids couldn't fall asleep, I would often play

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Speaker 21: Daniel's podcast so they could get to hear his voice,

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Speaker 21: and it is really comforting. I love that we can

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Speaker 21: hear his voice on command and get to hear his

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Speaker 21: fun sense of humor. In fact, some of our really

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Speaker 21: good friends were backpacking on the JMT this summer and

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Speaker 21: they were listening to Daniel's podcast at night, but they

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Speaker 21: said it was not to fall asleep and that they

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Speaker 21: loved learning about Unfortunately I don't remember, but I'm sure.

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Speaker 8: They do, and.

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Speaker 21: That was really fun. Also, every time I see Starbucks

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Speaker 21: n True Cold Brew, I think about Daniel's ad, which

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Speaker 21: is also funny. And we've had people send us amazing things,

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Speaker 21: like one time we came home on a hot day

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Speaker 21: to a box full of beautiful chocolate from Canada. And

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Speaker 21: our lab has had a artificial intelligence microwave for several

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Speaker 21: years that a listener came and brought it to us

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Speaker 21: and showed us how to make salmon and broccoli in

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Speaker 21: this beautiful microwave that targets the heat in an evenly

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Speaker 21: and directed distributed way. So that was really fun. And

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Speaker 21: I just love how much Daniel has learned. You know,

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Speaker 21: he's constantly going and talking to his colleagues to learn

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Speaker 21: new things. I think it's brought him, you know, really

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Speaker 21: huge breadth and depth to his physics knowledge that as

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Speaker 21: a researcher you often kind of get lost in your

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Speaker 21: own rabbit hole, and I feel like Daniel is really

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Speaker 21: not in that position. I'm sure it's been really good

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Speaker 21: for his science I think you could ask Daniel to

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Speaker 21: give a lecture on any topic in physics and he'd

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Speaker 21: have no problem. Like we know this Italian guy who

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Speaker 21: was interviewing for a physics professorship, and they would pull

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Speaker 21: a topic out of a hat and you'd have to

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Speaker 21: give a lecture in front of the department on it

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Speaker 21: with no preparation. And that seemed so intimidating to me.

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Speaker 21: But I know Daniel could just do that now because

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Speaker 21: of this podcast.

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Speaker 8: So lately I've.

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Speaker 21: Been hearing Daniel brainstorm names for the new podcast, and

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Speaker 21: I'm really glad he has a new podcast partner, Kelly.

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Speaker 21: I loved her book about the possibility of colonizing Mars,

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Speaker 21: and clearly she's a very thoughtful and in depth scientist.

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Speaker 8: Oh.

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Speaker 21: Another thing that was fun was like we would anytime

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Speaker 21: we were in a new place, Daniel would start doing

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Speaker 21: his like man on the Street interviews, like airport in Jerusalem,

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Speaker 21: Man on Street Interviews Airport in London, asking the locals,

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Speaker 21: and then you'd hear the podcast and get to hear

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Speaker 21: people with accents from our trip on the podcast. I

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Speaker 21: really love that whole aspect, and sometimes, like my students

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Speaker 21: or people I knew would get interviewed and then get

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Speaker 21: to hear them on the podcast, and I love that.

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Speaker 21: So I think it's been a wonderful, wonderful thing. As

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Speaker 21: our kids have been growing up, the podcast has happened,

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Speaker 21: you know, starting since twenty seventeen, I think maybe twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 21: so our kids were like little elementary school kids, and

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Speaker 21: they've grown up getting to hear all these stories about

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Speaker 21: the podcast. Now they're teenagers, and I think it's been

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Speaker 21: a really cool thing to have our family.

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Speaker 1: All right, So it's time now to say goodbye to

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Speaker 1: this podcast, and I just want to say that it's

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Speaker 1: been my pleasure and my honor to host this show

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Speaker 1: and to share with you my joy about what we

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Speaker 1: have managed to figure out and what we have not

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Speaker 1: managed to figure out about the universe, and to anticipate

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Speaker 1: all of those discoveries yet to come. And though of

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Speaker 1: course this show is coming to an end, you can

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Speaker 1: still hear me talking about the universe. So let me

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Speaker 1: tell you a little bit about our new show, Daniel

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Speaker 1: and Kelly's Extraordinary Universe.

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Speaker 2: The official description is that.

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Speaker 1: Daniel and Kelly cannot stop talking about our amazing, wonderful,

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Speaker 1: weird universe. Each episode is a fun and easy to

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Speaker 1: understand explanation of deep topics in science, from particles to

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Speaker 1: black holes, to moon colonies, to aliens and insects and

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Speaker 1: everything else in the universe. Because there are so many

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Speaker 1: wonderful and amazing things in our universe, some explained and

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Speaker 1: some still mysterious, it really is an extraordinary universe. And

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Speaker 1: I love the world extraordinary in the title because it

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Speaker 1: colls to mind extra terrestrial or extra dimensions, and as

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Speaker 1: my fifteen year old daughter would say, the universe is

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Speaker 1: just so extra But it also makes me think about

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Speaker 1: Carl Sagan's famous line, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Because

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Speaker 1: on this new podcast, we want to be very open minded,

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Speaker 1: ready to learn what the universe might teach us, to

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Speaker 1: ditch the dogma and accept the new ideas, from aliens

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Speaker 1: to black holes to new weird parasites. But we also

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Speaker 1: want to be clear eyed about what we can and

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Speaker 1: cannot know, what we can prove, what we have data

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Speaker 1: to support. I mean, I'd love for there to be aliens,

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Speaker 1: but I also know that hard evidence for alien visitors has.

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Speaker 2: Been pretty hard to come by.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to unravel the mysteries of quantum mechanics, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of the ideas out there are well, they're

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Speaker 1: still kind of out there. So on the new podcast

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Speaker 1: will embrace the craziness of the Extraordinary Universe, but will

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Speaker 1: also try our best to take a healthy skepticism and

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Speaker 1: use our scientific minds to sift out the kernels of truth,

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Speaker 1: because the best way to honor our extraordinary universe is

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Speaker 1: to understand it. So if you've enjoyed this six year

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Speaker 1: journey and you're disappointed that it's coming to an end,

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Speaker 1: know that I feel the same way, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll continue the journey with me and Kelly at Daniel

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Speaker 1: and Kelly's Extraordinary Universe wherever you get your podcasts. And

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Speaker 1: one last little Easter egg for.

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Speaker 2: All of you.

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Speaker 1: We have a few extra episodes of Explain the Universe

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Speaker 1: we've produced that we will share throughout the next year.

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Speaker 1: So there is a little bit more explained the Universe

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Speaker 1: left to hear, so stay subscribed to Explain the Universe

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Speaker 1: so you can hear those when they come out. Until then,

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Speaker 1: this is Daniel, your host, saying so long and thanks

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Speaker 1: for all the chocolate, Thanks for listening, and remember that

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Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge explain the Universe is a production of

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows.