1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: What is up, straight firefan, It's me Jason McIntyre, straight 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: Fire for Draft Day, Thursday, April twenty fifth. This is 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: a monster night in sports, mons massive just you know 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: my men's league season opener, NFL Draft at five. You 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: got Philly Nicks, you got Lakers Nuggets. Oh gosh, could 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: you ask for much more than tonight? In sports? It 8 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: really should be glories and to get you prepared for that, 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: we got a monster pod today decided to interview an 10 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: NFL draft scout, former Jet scout, Daniel Kelly. We had 11 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: him on last year, or maybe it was two years ago, 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: and he had some kind of incendiary thoughts. I listen, 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: everybody's entitled to their opinion, right this guy worked in 14 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: the NFL, he was a scout. He he knows what 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: he likes, he looks for and he likes. I don't 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: think I've heard anyone else with his opinion on Caleb 17 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: Williams Jaden Daniels, who he gives a third round grade 18 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: and his QB one is Spencer Rattler and listen, it's 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: insane because he has Kayleb. Williams is a fourth rounder 20 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: that's his grade. And Kayleb Williams is the one who 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: supplanted Spencer Rattler in Oklahoma and then went with Lincoln Riley. 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: So it's like Lincoln Riley clearly picked him. And listen, 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: obviously college differ in the NFL. It's a it's a 24 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: crazy take, but he breaks it down and he backs 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: it up with evidence that he sees. I think you're 26 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: gonna like that. It will gets you very amp for 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: the draft tonight. I'm not really doing a lot of 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: betting on the draft. The NBA betting has been absolute fire. 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: Remember I did not. I was like, guys, the bet 30 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: The only bet to make is the Miami Heat first quarter. 31 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: You got to have the stomach for it if you 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: can handle it. It's not for everybody. They cover in 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: the first quarter, and then they win the game in 34 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: one of the bigger upsets. I think it's like the 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: biggest playoff upset in like five years. They were fourteen 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: and a half point favorites. Oka se was an easy, 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: no sweat winner, and I'm gonna be I'm gonna tread 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: cautiously tonight. We already have six ers. If you listened 39 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: to the potter earlier. I still can't believe that line 40 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: hasn't moved. It's stunning to me. Maybe they're not moving 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: it because of Embiid. I do think you have to 42 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: go Orlando magic first half against the Calves at home, 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: they will show out. The Kis Center will be lit, 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: as they say in Orlando and Nuggets. Lakers are the 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: one that scares me. I kind of have okay see 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: New Orleans game two vibes. I know it's going back 47 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: to LA, but when you get that gut punch of 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: a blown lead late and lose, it's tough to bounce back. Mentally, 49 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: the other team feels like they own you. They got 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: Denver ten straight, and you just you worry about the 51 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: mindset of the Lakers. I don't think Denver is unstoppable. 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: Like I said, I think I thought the Lakers could 53 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: hang in the series, and they certainly have. I think 54 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: should it should be one one, and then it's a 55 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: totally different ball game. I just I'm gonna sidestep entirely 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: this game. I think probably the only bet to make 57 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: is Lebron because you know he will be going all out, 58 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: probably points, rebounds, assists. That would be My guess is 59 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: that Lebron is like, listen, we can't. You can't go 60 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: down three to Oh, it's over. It's probably over anyway. 61 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna do everything I can. I'm gonna play 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: forty five minutes if i have to, and I got 63 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: an extra day off. Let's you know, let's go, let's 64 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: empty the tank. So I'm optimistic here for Lebron to 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: try his best. We shall see. I'm obviously rooting Lakers, 66 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: but yeah, good luck to them. Just a quick word 67 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: on the on the Boston Celtics. So it's funny before 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: the playoffs, one of the dumb futures bets is under 69 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: one and a half losses for the Celtics in the East, 70 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: so that would be three series. I thought for sure, 71 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: whoever they face in the first round, they would sweep them. 72 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: And then in the second round maybe it's a sweep. 73 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: You know, Cleveland maybe steals one. Maybe, and then you 74 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: go to the conference finals and I don't think there's 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: anyone that they're scared of. Indiana definitely cannot hang. I 76 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: don't think the Knicks can it. Just it definitely feels 77 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: like this is Boston's year. They come out in Game one, 78 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: they roll in Game two, you see early like, oh, 79 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: Miami is playing really really well. They had an awesome 80 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: first half, but Boston's winning. Oh yeah, Well, they tried 81 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: hard and then Boston just kept letting them make three pointers. 82 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: And that is the one big fear with the Celtics 83 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: is that this team is all about the three pointers. 84 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: And they weighed I think they made twenty two in 85 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 2: game one. They're twelve of thirty two in game two. 86 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: Not great, not awful. But what happened in Game two 87 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: for Miami? They shot twenty three of forty three from 88 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: deep Tyler Hero was unconscious. 89 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: He hit six. 90 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: Caleb Martin hit five. Caleb Martin just loves playing the Celtics. 91 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: Huh, what a. 92 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: Motor on that guy. High Smith hit three. Duncan Robinson 93 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: back he hit two. Hi may hawkis who I love 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: in the starting lineup for Jimmy Butler, he hit three. 95 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: Yovic the young kid hit three. It's like they could 96 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: not miss from deep Tyler Hero looking like a point guard. 97 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 2: Twenty four and fourteen assists, folks. This was a massive stunner. 98 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: And you know you now one one going back to Miami. 99 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: I know there's no Jimmy Butler, but is there any 100 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: concern if you're a Celtics fan, And I think the 101 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: answer kind of has to be yes, doesn't it. It's 102 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: like there's not a real you know, I mean, I 103 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: don't want Boston to go down, but you know, Jason 104 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: takelm turns an ankle, and what do we have here? 105 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: You know, it's like, oh boy, I just have no 106 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: idea what to make of that game. Miami could not 107 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: miss from three. I guess you know, Boston kind of 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: came out like we got this series. Porzingis did nothing. 109 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: He was a minus thirty two. I don't know how 110 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: that's possible, but he was a minus thirty two and 111 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: thirty minutes staggeringly bad. Drew Holliday, uh, not his best 112 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: effort rough night shooting. It was essentially the Tatum and 113 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: Brown show, and they were excellent, but nobody else was. 114 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: Porzingis won for nine shooting. Just a gross performance from 115 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: the Celtics, and all you can hope is that this 116 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: was one of those like, oh, all right, everybody's due 117 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: a clunker. This is, you know, an all time great 118 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: regular season team. But we're not talking about the twenty 119 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: seventeen Warriors. We're not talking about the ninety seven Bowls 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: or the O Is it the only one Lakers, the 121 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: one that steamrolled through the West and then beat the 122 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: Sixers in the finals or two thousand. Either way, it's 123 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: pretty clear this is not one of those teams. They're 124 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: just not and they're very good. I'm not gonna overreact, 125 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: and I think the Celtics will probably get a bit 126 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: of a pass because the draft is today and people 127 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: were not screwedgize this and they'll go on to win 128 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: the series for one, but just one of those weird 129 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: losses where your trust level dips just a little and 130 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: you have to wonder, can Cleveland go postal from three? 131 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: Can Indiana cauld the Nicks? I don't, now, do you wonder? 132 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: I saw people saying, well, the Celtics have no chance 133 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: against Denver. Come on, if they're playing like this bad 134 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: against Miami, no shot. I'm like, guys, it's one game. 135 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: Let's not overreact. 136 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: It's not. 137 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: The vibes are not great in Boston, but it's certainly 138 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: not over I expect him to win the series, for one, 139 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: but the margin for error just shrunk considerably if you're 140 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: a Boston Celtics fan. All right, without further Ado, let's 141 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: get to our guest NFL former NFL scout Daniel Kelly. 142 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows 143 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports 144 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: fans want, but for everything he doesn't, he knows the 145 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: guy who does. Let's just say I. 146 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: Know a guy who knows the guy who knows another guy. 147 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. You probably remember 148 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: this guy. The last time he was on he was 149 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: dropping bombs left and right. And wait until you hear 150 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: some of these takes. Now, I don't think they're just 151 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: incendiary for the point of being wild, But man, Daniel Kelly, 152 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: former Jet scout, is really hot for this draft. It is. 153 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: It's known as a quarterback draft, Daniel, and I'm assuming 154 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: that means you just love all these quarterbacks that are 155 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: gonna get drafted tonight, right. 156 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: Well, some of them, Jason, some of them I do, 157 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: and some of them I don't. 158 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird draft because I've seen the number 159 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: as high as four and a half and five and 160 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: a half quarterbacks over under first round. You got guys, 161 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: you know, respected NFL reporters saying six. I just I 162 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: find that really hard to believe. Were you on guys 163 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: who you think first of all, who you think will 164 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: go in the first round, and then your thoughts on 165 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: them individually. 166 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: Well, I have a total of five quarterbacks I've given 167 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 3: first round grades too, and that's after studying them for 168 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: the last two seasons, just about every single snap they've 169 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: all taken, you know, in the last two years, and 170 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: so that's where I kind of landed on them as 171 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: far as guys who are pro ready, because to me, 172 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: there's such a big difference between college football in the NFL, 173 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: and when I watch these guys, I'm watching them through 174 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: what I call NFL colored glasses. So I'm looking for 175 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: the characteristics and the traits the best translate to success 176 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: and what's been proven to succeed in the National Football 177 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: League over the years and really most recently. 178 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: Let's start with the guy everybody loves, Caleb Williams. I'm 179 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: assuming you have a first round great on him and 180 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 2: you think he's going to be a slam dunk with 181 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: the Bears. 182 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Correct. 183 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: No, No, I actually have a fourth round grade on 184 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams on his game film. I have completely removed 185 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: him from my draft board and as of today hot 186 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: off the press. I put a one hundred percent chance 187 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: that he'll be a bust in the National Football League. 188 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, I mean one hundred percent of a 189 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: bust like defined bust. Is Trey Lance a bust? 190 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,119 Speaker 3: Yes, Zach Wilson, Yes. 191 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: Fields half and half, Matt Jones. 192 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: Half and half. It's good. Depend on how he does 193 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: down in Jacksonville. 194 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. So what on film gives kill Williams 195 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: a fourth round grade? That's I think that's the highest 196 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: I've seen of anybody. 197 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: Well, it starts with he provides. He leads the offense 198 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: with a very inconsistent rhythm and tempo. To me, a 199 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: quarterback is like a drummer in a band, and they're 200 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 3: responsible for setting the timing for all the offensive personnel. 201 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: Of course, receivers depend on this timing most of all. 202 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: It's inconsistent how he leads the offense. Number two, he 203 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: has very inconsistent footwork on game film. It has been 204 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: spray painted all over his game film. It got worse 205 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: than twenty twenty three. And the NFL is a league 206 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: that is built upon timing routes between quarterbacks and receivers, 207 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: which of course is the art of the three five 208 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: and seven foot drop. Historically, Williams kind of does his 209 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: own thing back there, dances around, and I believe he's 210 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: going to show inconsistent ball placement and ball security issues 211 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: when it comes to pass breakups and also interceptions in 212 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: the NFL because he does not have discipline footwork in 213 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: the pocket. Those are the two main things that really 214 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: concern me about him. 215 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: So I'll pretend like I'm Caleb Williams's camp. Well, yeah, 216 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: he didn't have good footwork because his offensive line was 217 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 2: trash and he was running for his life. Go look 218 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: at that Notre Dame game. The guy had no chance. 219 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: That's most game. Go look at the Utah game. Pocket 220 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: collapses before you can even get through the first read. 221 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: And so yeah, that's why Caleb kind of had to 222 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: bounce around. It's not like he had the cushy pocket 223 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: Drake May often had in North Caro. I mean I 224 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: do obviously, I don't think Caleb is going to be 225 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: a superstar. I'm not one of these I I put 226 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: him in the Hall of Fame. He's got traits that 227 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: people love. But Zack Wilson had great traits, you know. 228 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: True, he did a matter of fact, that's my comp 229 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: for Caleb Williams as Zach Wilson. To me, there are 230 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 3: very similar quarterbacks coming out of college. Zach Wilson was 231 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: another one of these guys that really thrived against weaker competition, 232 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: thrived at getting out of structure, and that's where he 233 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: did his best work. So when I watched Caleb Williams, 234 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: that's also where he does his best work. That's also 235 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: where we've seen all these highlights. And to me, he 236 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: just is a guy who I'm talking about. Caleb Williams 237 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: is the guy who thrives. I'm getting out of structure. 238 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: And that's a real problem because the NFL is a 239 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: league's that's built on play calling structure. 240 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: So do you think if Williams has a good pocket 241 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: he will try to win from the pocket? Do you 242 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: think he can says quickly enough or is it just 243 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: that on the tape, because again, like the tape can lie. 244 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: Remember college offense facing a certain defenses. You know, Lincoln 245 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: Riley's supposed to be a mastermind, and sure they're putting 246 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: up a lot of points, but it didn't look refined. 247 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: It's weird. College basketball does not look like the NBA 248 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of college football looks like 249 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: the NFL. It's almost like two different sports. 250 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: Would you agree, I do agree absolutely. It's the college 251 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: game has become a special with nil now it's become 252 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: a lot more simplistic in nature as far as play 253 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: calling is concerned stuff. And also too, it seems like 254 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 3: a lot of these times these quarterbacks have just inordermate 255 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: amount of times to dance around back in the pock 256 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 3: against lesser teams and lesser levels of competition, and they 257 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 3: just kind of wait till the receivers get open downfield. 258 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 3: So to your point, Jason, that's not, of course, at 259 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: all all the NFL works. It's one Mississippi, two Mississippi 260 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: throw and the ball had to be right there. That's 261 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: not the college game. Also, of course, is Kenny Pickett 262 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: found out the size of the football is even different. 263 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 3: And of course the NFL is a lot faster game 264 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: than the college game. So a lot of these guys 265 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: that's you know, the transition from college to the NFL 266 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: proves to be very challenging because of those elements. 267 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: So somebody who was great in the pocket, Bo Nicks 268 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: crushed it with Oregon set all sorts of completion percentage records? 269 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: Was he a four or five year starters? Some like 270 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: sixty starts in college scene numbers? Where are you on 271 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: bon Nicks? 272 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: I have a first round grade on him? Hmmm, yeah, 273 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: I do eat. 274 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: On bon Nicks. Okay, will they say more? 275 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? No, absolutely, He to me fits exactly fits into 276 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: the NFL's timeline right now. It's a league that's really, 277 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: you know, predicated on short intermediate passes. A lot of 278 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: times these are where a lot of these pass ranges 279 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: are are thrown and getting scripted in game planning, and 280 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: bo Nicks shows an incredible ability to not only hit 281 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: those passes and those ranges being from zero to nineteen yards, 282 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: but also he can do it very accurately on the move. 283 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: Bow Knicks is also somebody who has started sixty games 284 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: in college football, which I believe is an FBS record. 285 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: He has a lot of experience for what people have said, 286 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: and so he's like having another coach on the field. 287 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: Commentators during the games have talked about how it's very 288 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: hard to fool him because he's seen so much. His course, 289 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: his dad played a college football quarterback and also as 290 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: a coach, A coach as well, and so it's like 291 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: he has this ability to bridge to kind of cut 292 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: that time down, that transitional time. I believe bo Knicks 293 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: is a plug and play starter in the National Football League. 294 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: Well wait a. 295 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: Minute, So you're telling me you think if bo Nicks 296 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: went to like the New England Patriots, they would be 297 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: good next year. 298 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: I believe so. Yes. Wow. 299 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: See that's the weird part. Some of the like for instance, 300 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: i'man and listen, I don't remember where you had him, 301 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: but or maybe nobody asked you. But like Brock Perdy 302 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: coming out, you know, had been around for many years, 303 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: had kind of plateaued as like a sophomore. There was 304 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: talking about him going to the league, and then he 305 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: kind of leveled off and then went down a little bit. 306 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: Nobody liked him. Last pick in the draft, goes into 307 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: the NFL and he can process. He's crushing from the pocket. 308 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: He's a statistical juggernaut now going on twenty some odd 309 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: games for the Niners. Like nobody saw that coming. Is 310 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: it possible you're saying bo Nicks could have like that 311 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: kind of impact on the right in the right team. 312 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: Well, I won't call him. It goes as far as 313 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: calling him the next Brock Party, but there are striking 314 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: resemblances in their game film. Because when I watched Brock 315 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: Purty pre draft at Iowa States, I actually comped him 316 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: to two thousand and two NFL MBP Rich gann and 317 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: pre draft and kind of saw a lot of that, 318 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: you know, that intellectualism from the pocket really thriving in 319 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: the short the intermediate passing game. And of course it 320 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: was a beautiful fit for Purty going into into Kyle 321 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: Shanahan's system because that's what his system is, So it 322 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: was a perfect fit. So I came on YouTube even 323 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: before training camp even started, when Trey Lance and Brock 324 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 3: Party were there, and I said that, you know, Brock 325 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: Party was going to beat him out in camp because 326 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: he fit that offense perfectly. Bo Knicks, I believe, gets 327 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: into a system like that where it's a lot of 328 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: short the intermediate range passes. And also a thing that's 329 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: kind of interesting about bo Knicks as he has such 330 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 3: a fast time to throw. I believe it was two 331 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: point four to four seconds per pff, you know, to 332 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 3: Apple's orders comparison between college and the NFL. But looking 333 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: at next gen stats with Tua Tagalova. It has the 334 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: fastest time to throw in the National Football League at 335 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: two point three six seconds. So really and truly, if 336 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: you do like a comparison, bow Knicks would have the 337 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: second fastest time to throw in the NFL if he's 338 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: able to do that in the next at the next level. 339 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: And that's kind of the key to success. As part 340 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 3: of it is getting the ball out of your hand 341 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 3: quickly and making you know, good decisions with the football. 342 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: And so I do believe that he is a very 343 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: smart quarterback. He knows how they handle the ball, and 344 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: he's really grown as a quarterback as he's been in Oregon. 345 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 3: I'm very interested to see how that all plays out 346 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 347 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 348 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 349 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 350 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: listen live. 351 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: Where are you on the Jaden Drake May Debate? And 352 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: you know, for over a year, all everybody watching college 353 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: football said, oh, Drake May is going to go second 354 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: to Caleb And now in the last like two months 355 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: has been Oh Washington's taken Jaden Daniels because he lines 356 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: up with Kirk not sorry, Kur not Kirk Cliff Kingsbury's 357 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: offense in Washington. And to my my rejoinder to that 358 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: is okay. Tell me the last time a franchise drafted 359 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: a quarterback in the top five when and they were 360 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: doing it because of their offensive course, nobody does that. 361 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: That's not how teams operate, Oh, Caesar changed like teams 362 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: changer socks. Come on. So, so Daniels versus May, where 363 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: are you? 364 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: I have May over? Daniels May is a guy who 365 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: was my QB two, as you talked about. I didn't 366 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 3: have Caleb as my QB one heading into the season, 367 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: but he Drake May was my QB two and uh 368 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: and Daniels as somebody who I have a third round 369 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: great on. Uh. So I've always yeah, I've always liked 370 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: I've always liked Drake May more. I think he fits 371 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 3: the pro game better. He's a dual role guy that 372 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: has has a nice DP fall. Uh. He's he's very smart, 373 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: intellectual from the pocket all business reminds me of the 374 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: all business demeanor of a Matt Ryan or somebody like 375 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: that from the neck up. And and so you know, 376 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 3: I don't think either one of those guys should go 377 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: top five. I actually saw Drake May all of his 378 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: games this last year and study them on tape, and 379 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 3: to me, he regressed in twenty twenty three. Drake May 380 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: actually his completion percentage dropped in twenty twenty three, but 381 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 3: you also could see it on film, because what happened 382 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: with May was that, I mean when he came into 383 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 3: the college football scene, nobody really I mean some people 384 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 3: knew he was, of course, but the majority of people 385 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: didn't know who he was. Low expectations, and as the expectations grew, 386 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: and then of course people say, well he lost Josh 387 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: Doallins the receiver, and he had Tess Walker. But as 388 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: the expectations went up, what I saw in game film 389 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: was that May he got more. He had this look 390 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: of frustration on his face. And that's why I love 391 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: TV film because when they panding close to his face, 392 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 3: he looked kind of frustrated, and he started pressing his 393 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: throws more and more, which affected his ball placement. May 394 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 3: never has always had average ball placement in my mind, 395 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: to begin with, he's always been kind of a hot, 396 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: cold quarterback. But in twenty twenty three, he regressed on 397 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: game film, and to me. He showed everybodybody that, hey, 398 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 3: I have got to have a strong playoff structure around 399 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: me if I'm going to succeed as an NFL quarterback. 400 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: And that was proven by Josh Downs leaving and some 401 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: of these things happening at North Carolina. And if he goes, 402 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: I believe his best chance to succeed is between eighteen 403 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: and thirty two, or when those teams jumps up and 404 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: gets him, it would not hurt him at all. The 405 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: wait for a year and sit it out and just 406 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 3: be on the bench and learn. And with Daniels, the 407 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: thing that scares me about him is he's like RG 408 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 3: three all over again, just waiting. You know. Injury risk 409 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: is very high on him because he runs the ball 410 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: with such extreme physicality. But even more concerning about Jaden 411 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: Daniels is that he has he has his tendency, the 412 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 3: tents up in the pocket and he starts bouncing around. 413 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: He has happy feeds, and the coursette affects the timing 414 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: and the rhythm the ball placement downfield. And to me, 415 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 3: the biggest question that nobody I mean, I've posed this 416 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 3: question on social media adjacent to our listeners time and 417 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: time again, I'm like, Okay, so how is it that 418 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels with this elite athleticism in this way he 419 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: can run the football and with one of the best 420 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: offensive lines in college football per PFF going into the 421 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: season top ten rated offensive line, plus he had receivers 422 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors and Bryan Thomas Junior. But he still has 423 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: this two point nine to one seconds time to throw, which, 424 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: again going back comparing PFF the next Gen stats, that's 425 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: the same as Zach Wilson's time to throw in the NFL. 426 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: So the question is why can't Jaden Daniels, And this 427 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: is what I study is like, why can't he get 428 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: the ball of his hand faster? Why can't he make 429 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: faster decisions? Why is he holding onto the ball this 430 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: long in the pocket? And that's a huge concern going 431 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: into a team because a team like Washington for example 432 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: that you're talking about Jason, they have a really not 433 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 3: a good situation offensive tackle. So he's not going to 434 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 3: have three, four or five seconds back there to try 435 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: to figure it out. He's going to have to make 436 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: quick decisions. Whoever goes in there is we have to 437 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 3: make quick decisions. Washington has one of the worst offensive 438 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 3: lines in the NFL last year. I believe they gave 439 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: up the second most sacks and sixty five sacks last year. 440 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 3: So whoever goes in there is going to have to 441 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: get the ball in their hand quickly. 442 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: So if it sounds like you had Drake May two, 443 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: Jaden third round grade, Caleb fourth round grade, who's. 444 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: Your QB one Spencer rather No, Yes. 445 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 2: The guy who Caleb Williams beat out in Oklahoma. When 446 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: Spencer got benched was several years ago. 447 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: That's probably a different different topic, but yeah, I know, 448 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I still don't understand how Spencer 449 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: Ratler end up gaining bench in that situation because, I mean, 450 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: he was coming off the Bull victory the season prior. 451 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: He was five to zero in that season, he had 452 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: completed seventy six point nine percent of his passes throughout 453 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: the first five games. The week before the early bench 454 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: against Texas, he was eighty eight percent completion per sage 455 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 3: against Kansas State and he gets pulled early in that game. 456 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, he did get bench. Yeah, the way it 457 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 3: worked on everything, But Spencer Rattler, to me, has shown 458 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 3: the greatest ability to overcome adversity of quarterback in this 459 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: draft class. And that's really what it's about. From it, 460 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: Like they say in scouting, the game is won or 461 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: loss from the neck up. And he showed tremendous poise. 462 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: I believe he was like nineteen years old at the 463 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: time when the when the benching happened at Oklahoma in 464 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: favor of Kayla Williams, and he and he came out 465 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 3: the next morning with one tweet he said, it's something 466 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 3: to the effect of, hey, way to go, guys, you 467 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: know six and zero, you know, by my brothers, And 468 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: that was it. And then he, you know, he goes 469 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: off to South Carolina. He has to kind of watch 470 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: because at one point everybody thought he was gonna be 471 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 3: the number one pick. At one time everybody thought, yeah, 472 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 3: everybody thought he was gonna be the Heisman guy. And 473 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: so he has to go to South Carolina, sit back, 474 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: watch his old coach, you know, Lincoln Riley, take Caleb 475 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: Williams out the USC watch everything that happened out there. 476 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 3: Watch Williams win that Heisman everybody thought that he was 477 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 3: going to win. Didn't come out and say anything. Instead, 478 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: all Spencer Ratler did was he went to South Carolina, 479 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: right and he he grew and he developed, and he 480 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 3: worked on his craft, and he didn't say anything to 481 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 3: me that shows trum and this maturity to me, that 482 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: shows tremendous leadership that he could go into a situation 483 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 3: and then of courses. Last year, I believe South Carolina, 484 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: according to I think Sports Illustrated had the hardest schedule 485 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 3: in the FBS going into the season. They were ranked 486 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 3: like number seventy two themselves. He has all these offensive 487 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 3: line injuries, they went through like nine different combinations of 488 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 3: offensive linemen. They had, you know, Juice Wells, one of 489 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 3: his best receivers, goes on Week two and he had 490 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 3: the number one hundred and twenty eight, like one hundred 491 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 3: and thirty three teams that were ranked rushing attack in 492 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: the league. Yet he still produced a higher completion percentage 493 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three than Caleb Williams. The guy grew 494 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 3: and the thing I love most about Spencer rather than 495 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three tape is he learned to cut down 496 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: on the taking unnecessary risks and chances. I think by 497 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: bringing Don Logan's in there as young offensive coordinator really 498 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 3: helped mature him and make him pro ready. And the 499 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 3: way he was open to that coaching and received it. 500 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: To me, is incredibly impressive. I'm really excited about Spencer 501 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: Ratler heading into this draft. 502 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: Okay, now there's two things. A you like Spencer Ratler 503 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: a lot. Where do you think he goes? 504 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: It's an unknown. I mean at this point, you know, 505 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 3: I've heard everything from you know, third fourth round. I've heard, 506 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: you know, Jim Nagy from you know, the director of 507 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl come on and say, you know, in 508 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: a video that he's heard that some teams have Spencer 509 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 3: Ratler listed as a starter to me starters first round. 510 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 3: So and I know the New England Patriots have shown 511 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 3: a lot of interest based on what I've seen on 512 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 3: Twitter x in Spencer Rattler. So it's always kind of 513 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: to me an unknown. I never that's the thing. I 514 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: never quite knows where will guys end up going sometimes 515 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: or what round with it going, because it's very unpredicted. 516 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a league that actually just two 517 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: years ago had Brock Purty as mister Irrelevant and now 518 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: he's in the super Bowl. So to me, it's like 519 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 3: it's hard for me to get inside other other people's 520 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: heads or what they're thinking now. If I was a 521 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: general manager, Spencer Rattler would be my QB one. I'd 522 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 3: run up to the podium, I'd sprint the card at 523 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: myself to the commissioner and make the announcement. 524 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: That's wild, all right. Uh Spencer Ratler number one. Daniel Kelly, 525 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: former Jets scout. Uh, these are listen man, we like 526 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: hot takes. These are hot takes. I mean this is 527 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: this is good stuff. And obviously we will have to 528 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: have you back in a year. Spencer Ratler's even an 529 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: NFL roster, I don't know, it's possible. Maybe he's a 530 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 2: starter next year. 531 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 532 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: Anything can happen. It's the NFL, like wacky things happen 533 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: in the league. Thank you so much, Daniel for taking 534 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: the time. 535 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 3: Hey, thank you Jason so much for having me on 536 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: your show. And I can't wait for the draft. It 537 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: should be a good one.