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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Spoiler Version review of Doctor Strange

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Speaker 1: and the Multiverse of Madness. This podcast has no rules

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Speaker 1: when we can say all the plot lines, very laid

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Speaker 1: back review, because it's hard to review a Marvel movie

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Speaker 1: when you can't say any of the plot points because

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Speaker 1: everybody thinks everything is a spoiler. That was a very

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Speaker 1: tough review to do. So I'm glad we're here now

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Speaker 1: and able to talk about it two weeks after the

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Speaker 1: release and get into all the nitty gritty, and my

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Speaker 1: wife Kelsey is here. You haven't done one of these

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Speaker 1: with me before? No, I haven't you excited to talk spoilers?

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Speaker 1: Love a spoiler? No, I really don't. There's a warning

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Speaker 1: on this one that it comes to spoilers. And I

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Speaker 1: think we had different opinions after watching this movie we

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Speaker 1: left the theater. You thought it was amazingly. You were like,

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Speaker 1: I was one of the best Marvel movies. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: thought it was really good and I was like, left

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Speaker 1: a lot to be desired. So I before we get

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Speaker 1: into what I guess I didn't like more than you did,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about what we did like about the movie.

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Speaker 1: Why did you have that feeling leave in the movie theater.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think back, it's been like two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I loved Elizabeth Olson in it, Okay, I love her

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Speaker 1: like I think she is phenomenal as Wanda, So do

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Speaker 1: I and I think that's why I didn't enjoy the

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Speaker 1: movie as much. But before we get into that, was

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Speaker 1: it her character in the movie. Just for her portrayal

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Speaker 1: I get that. What else about it? Well, I so

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen the original Doctor Strange, the first one.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know Rachel McAdams was in it. And then

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Speaker 1: I was shocked because I was like, wow, Rachel McAdams

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Speaker 1: has range like as an actress he does, You're like,

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Speaker 1: everybody's in the MCU Now, I was like, is there

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Speaker 1: anyone not in the Marvel universe at this point? Basically

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Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg, Yes, he'd really like to be in. He

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Speaker 1: would like to be in waiting for that invite. I

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Speaker 1: I think that's why it was hard for me to

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Speaker 1: this a little bit more critically than I usually do.

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Speaker 1: Because marvels in this phase four that I'm not super

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Speaker 1: highly invested in. And also I just didn't love the

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Speaker 1: first Doctor Strange. I feel like he's a really good

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Speaker 1: supporting character, but him as a lead, it's not my

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Speaker 1: go to. It's not my jam, it's not my jelly. Also,

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Speaker 1: can we talk about how it took me forever to

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Speaker 1: realize that one division was Wanda Envision, even though watch

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Speaker 1: whole show and it was Wanda Envision, but one division

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Speaker 1: And I'm a pretty intelligent person, so I'm a little embarrassment.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't love her as the villain here.

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Speaker 1: Although I loved Elizabeth Olsen her performance in it, it

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Speaker 1: was just hard to root against her, which I know

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Speaker 1: some people said, well she was a villain in one division, debatable,

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Speaker 1: but I just felt like her character didn't deserve that.

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Speaker 1: But I also feel like you get why she's being

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Speaker 1: kind of nowhere, which I get. Yeah, her plan was

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Speaker 1: Like that part of it I haven't seen in a

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Speaker 1: it's a spoiler. Probably. I'm saying, is this your ramp

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a great cameo. I wasn't expecting

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Speaker 1: I felt like the cameos were decent. Aside from Professor X.

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Speaker 1: It was okay, but it didn't really have that same

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Speaker 1: totally different. But I think what Marvel is experiencing now

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Speaker 1: that sentime. This movie didn't make me want to watch

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Speaker 1: show her that she is the villain. I just felt like,

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Speaker 1: which I know that's what everybody wants somebody to say

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Speaker 1: And then I know at the end of the movie

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Speaker 1: and then kind of like he came back to life

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Speaker 1: But I just felt like it didn't leave me wanting more,

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Speaker 1: because I think it needed to be shorter, but it

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Speaker 1: that if it would have been an extra ten twenty minutes,

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