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Speaker 2: Five Grammys, seven Diamond records, over one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: million albums sold. This person is tied Michael Jackson for
Speaker 2: the most number one male solo hits. For the last
Speaker 2: fifteen years, Drake has been giving us soundtracks to parts
Speaker 2: of our life. A lot of dope shit. You think
Speaker 2: back to a song, you remember what you was doing
Speaker 2: at that time. We all know recently or not recently.
Speaker 2: Shit has been going on since April. The Kendrick Drake
Speaker 2: beef took a new turn when Kendrick dropped his solo
Speaker 2: project and Drake, you guys know what the fuck out?
Speaker 3: He filed some petitions.
Speaker 2: Now he's doing the music group and Spotify and claiming
Speaker 2: that they bodied his his song tow bigger than what
Speaker 2: it may be. And then also defamation, and if you
Speaker 2: take a look at it, it's.
Speaker 3: Deeper than that.
Speaker 2: You know, Drake is taking a shot at the whole
Speaker 2: with kind of the unspoken truth about the music business,
Speaker 2: the way streams work and in the way these companies
Speaker 2: have always kind of taken advantage of artists. But that's
Speaker 2: coming off the tale of losing a beef. So there's
Speaker 2: a business side, and then I think there's just a
Speaker 2: politics side, I guess if you want to call it.
Speaker 2: And who better to discuss this and really break what's
Speaker 2: going on down and can Drake recover and what's next
Speaker 2: for Kendrick than my brother DJ head. What's up, bro?
Speaker 4: Man? What's up? Bro?
Speaker 5: I appreciate you. It's good to see you. Man, it's
Speaker 5: good to see you. I love what you're doing. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Just for everybody that's tuned in
Speaker 5: right now. Matt got a whole new facility. Is hell
Speaker 5: of people working here. He got white people like.
Speaker 2: You know, we got we gotta keep everybody in the circle.
Speaker 2: We got some color. Yeah, it's a beautiful situation. Man,
Speaker 2: Shout all the smoke.
Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Bro, we've been grinding, but you know, obviously had you
Speaker 2: have kind of been almost in the center of this
Speaker 2: as much as you can as not being an artist,
Speaker 2: but as being a really a voice for the West Coast.
Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts about what's currently going on?
Speaker 2: Will Drake ever be able to really have the street's
Speaker 2: ear after going on?
Speaker 5: According to my big bro Glasses, he never had the streets.
Speaker 5: But I don't know, Bro, Like it's this is a
Speaker 5: real complicated.
Speaker 2: Man, Let's talk about it. This is a break this
Speaker 2: shit down because I want to learn.
Speaker 5: It's a real nuanced conversation because if you think about it,
Speaker 5: we've never seen anything like this. I have somebody text me.
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna say who it was, but this is
Speaker 5: like a super og in the game. He texted me.
Speaker 5: He was like, Bro, I've been he said, I'm fifty.
Speaker 5: He said, I'm fifty three years old. Bro, I've been
Speaker 5: doing hip hop since nineteen seventy eight. He said, I've
Speaker 5: never seen no shit lines and all this is like
Speaker 5: somebody somebody. I'm like, damn, O g like for He's like, Bro,
Speaker 5: I've never seen anything like this, and so it'd be
Speaker 5: I'd be remiss to be like, yeah, you know, this
Speaker 5: is standard issue. This shit is not normal what's going
Speaker 5: on right now? But I don't know, and I did
Speaker 5: my intention just so I always try to overstate it.
Speaker 4: My intention was.
Speaker 5: Never to be involved, like and to be the voice
Speaker 5: on this side versus the voice on that side. And
Speaker 5: like it was just I'm just like mad as my homie.
Speaker 5: For some if somebody is defaming the homie, right, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna say something. Typically that's just how we get down.
Speaker 5: So it's just I don't know how everybody else is raised.
Speaker 5: But I also don't like bullies. I just really have
Speaker 5: an issue with bullies. I'm triggered by that, and usually
Speaker 5: I don't have a visceral reaction when somebody is being
Speaker 5: bullied in a way that is unbecoming of whatever they claim.
Speaker 5: It is like if you're a bully, standing on being
Speaker 5: a bully, you know what I'm saying, which I respect
Speaker 5: that just like people be like they like they have
Speaker 5: they they have.
Speaker 4: Their their views on Trump.
Speaker 5: Right, not to go go off course, but they have
Speaker 5: their views on Trump, and I do too.
Speaker 4: But I also respect when he says what he tells
Speaker 4: you what it is.
Speaker 5: It's like people like Oh he paid lesser taxes than
Speaker 5: this person, he said, cause I'm smart.
Speaker 4: He not wrong.
Speaker 5: He know the system, like figure out the system and
Speaker 5: then a lot of system work for you. I look
Speaker 5: at that. It's the same way as this situation, right.
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily know the play though, Like I don't
Speaker 5: know why someone would sue are it's not really a
Speaker 5: lawsuit like that at this point right now.
Speaker 2: Petitions right to gather evidence, more evidence and kind of
Speaker 2: find out what's really going on.
Speaker 5: Correct, So I don't necessarily know what the play is
Speaker 5: though I don't see a pathway. Maybe I'm maybe I'm
Speaker 5: not ignorant, maybe I'm not smart enough to know. I'm
Speaker 5: sure that this man has the best lawyers that money
Speaker 5: can be. Drake has always been He's always thought ahead.
Speaker 5: His business is very well taken care of. But again,
Speaker 5: this crosses over several different spaces, and I think that
Speaker 5: there has to be obviously any game plan.
Speaker 2: But what something. He's probably benefited most of the industry,
Speaker 2: most of the big people in the industry have probably
Speaker 2: benefited off the way these companies make ship. Everybody seems everybody.
Speaker 5: Has benefited from it. And the thing is, it doesn't
Speaker 5: make it right, it just sees what it is. That's
Speaker 5: why business it's business. That's why I related a kin
Speaker 5: to the politics, because everyone knows that, oh there might
Speaker 5: be a dirty cop in the force, or they might
Speaker 5: be a dirty politician in the force. Right, but that
Speaker 5: person's positioned themselves or align themselves with allegiances that maybe
Speaker 5: they makes them a little bit untouchable, right, same thing
Speaker 5: in the music industry. There are people in the music industry,
Speaker 5: in the entertainment industry in general, which we saw over
Speaker 5: the last five years with everybody that's going down in
Speaker 5: the entertainment industry, whereas like things have been going on
Speaker 5: for so long and they have systems in place and
Speaker 5: safeguards to protect themselves and the alliances and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and I think everybody's doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's just that how deep does it go. Nobody knows
Speaker 2: trying to bunk the system. I mean, it takes me
Speaker 2: to another point where it's Drake bigger than the program.
Speaker 4: Nobody's bigger than the program.
Speaker 2: We've seen people try to be bigger than the program.
Speaker 2: And someone told me last year, someone very powerful told
Speaker 2: me that, like the beginning of last year, Puffy's going
Speaker 2: down somebody told me the same thing. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 2: They like, you can't bite the hand to feed you.
Speaker 2: And it all started with the alcohol company and the
Speaker 2: back and forth. You see people far back as Michael
Speaker 2: Jacks that you know, God Is Publishing got some of
Speaker 2: the Beatles. Publishing was going after Marvel, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden these allegations start coming out. And then after
Speaker 2: that he passes like you said, there's there's there's stuff
Speaker 2: in there to safeguard these companies from an overhaul. Then
Speaker 2: on the flip side you see a jay Z where
Speaker 2: he knows the system is fucked up. But instead of
Speaker 2: trying to like out anybody, I'm gonna build my own title,
Speaker 2: which is what I respect.
Speaker 5: Which is why I why I take the stance that
Speaker 5: I that I take often is everybody can complain. We
Speaker 5: all have thumbs, we can tweet what we can tweet
Speaker 5: all day. I joined the I'm I'm the chairman of
Speaker 5: the board for the Boys and Girls Club from the
Speaker 5: Media Advisory Council right because I noticed that there was
Speaker 5: a void in the systems that I came up in,
Speaker 5: came up in, and I want to fix those systems.
Speaker 5: You can't do anything from the outside. Right, I was
Speaker 5: just one of them people complaining about Maclamore beating Dot
Speaker 5: beating Kendrick for the Grammy. Right, I was one of
Speaker 5: them people complaining. You know what, I did, join the
Speaker 5: Grammy board. Let me figure out how this system works.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I was one of those people playing LA radio. Don't
Speaker 5: play enough LA music. You know what I did when
Speaker 5: it got on the radio. I was there for seven years.
Speaker 5: I don't respect people who just complain all day and
Speaker 5: tweet they ass So I don't respect that because what
Speaker 5: are you doing about the problem. So it's like you said,
Speaker 5: I respect Hove because and then I want to say
Speaker 5: this too, because I don't think Hove gets enough credit
Speaker 5: what he's done with the NFL, because they were killing
Speaker 5: him online after everything happened with Cap and everything went down.
Speaker 4: It was like, why would he go work with them?
Speaker 5: They're racist, They're this there that it's like, but yeah,
Speaker 5: but when you have these systems in place that are
Speaker 5: good old boys systems and you're on the outside throwing
Speaker 5: rocks at tanks, that's not an effective.
Speaker 4: Way to protest.
Speaker 5: What I would like to do is go figure out
Speaker 5: I would go to tank school. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: have them teach me how to work the tanks, build
Speaker 5: my own tank, or getting a tank, driving out the gate,
Speaker 5: turning around and shoot at them. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: that's the way you do it. And so I respect
Speaker 5: what Hope has done.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 5: I've never seen a thing like this simply because I
Speaker 5: don't think that they whatever.
Speaker 2: Expected him him to do it, to buck the system
Speaker 2: in this way, because again he knows how the system works.
Speaker 2: The system is worked in his benefit. He's completely benefited
Speaker 2: from right, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: As great as he is. You know, I've always been
Speaker 2: a big fan of Drake. That's why when this ship
Speaker 2: went down, I'm just like, this is this is the
Speaker 2: battle obviously Kendrick one. But I said, I don't think
Speaker 2: that changes who Drake is, you know. I mean, he
Speaker 2: lost a pusher and he lost, he lost to Kendrick.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I think this route that
Speaker 2: he's taking for music has there's gonna be tons of
Speaker 2: mixed people. And then some people say, well listen, he's
Speaker 2: doing it for the betterment of artists.
Speaker 5: No, most people, most people who want to this is
Speaker 5: I'm not attacking Drake. I want to preface it with this,
Speaker 5: because they just gonna clip this and be.
Speaker 4: Like, no, no, this is I'm not other people.
Speaker 5: But usually what people do is they find a narrative
Speaker 5: and then they figure out ways to support that narrative.
Speaker 5: So they'll they'll figure out a cause like Okay, I
Speaker 5: want this goal to happen, and then they'll figure out
Speaker 5: a noble way, a noble gift wrapping paper, right, Oh,
Speaker 5: here's some noble gift wrapping paper, and then they just
Speaker 5: make it look all nice like I'm fighting for black people. No,
Speaker 5: you're fighting for yourself by way of black people, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 5: Usually in this situation, well, first of all, in this situation,
Speaker 5: I don't think that they expected him to do this.
Speaker 5: He's a complete child of this system that he's completely
Speaker 5: benefited from. But the caveat to this is is people
Speaker 5: saying like, oh, he's gonna revolutionize the music industry. The
Speaker 5: music industry has been the music industry. It's going to
Speaker 5: continue before. It's gonna be here before you, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be here after you. You know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 5: don't think so you don't think he has the power
Speaker 5: to really shake shit up. And to my next question,
Speaker 5: not to cut you off, keep your thought. It's Drake
Speaker 5: gonna open Pandora's box going against all these very wealthy
Speaker 5: white men in this space that have shit set up
Speaker 5: to go against it. Like if you got to think,
Speaker 5: if there's somehow, some way he wins a laying like
Speaker 5: a record lawsuit against the whole music industry, do you
Speaker 5: want those kind of people?
Speaker 3: Is that gonna start?
Speaker 2: Is it is that gonna open Pandora's box to people
Speaker 2: kind of kind of go shake it and see what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 5: He can get just done. I'm so I invest in
Speaker 5: human beings. A lot of people invest in company stocks.
Speaker 5: I invest in human beings. I invest in relationships. I
Speaker 5: invest in Matt You know what I'm saying. I invest
Speaker 5: in Stack like I think that when you I don't
Speaker 5: think this is I don't think this is a money
Speaker 5: money grab. It can't be a money grab because he
Speaker 5: has more money than he could possibly want. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, not count his pockets, but this is
Speaker 5: about somebody misstepping in my personal opinion, my humble opinion.
Speaker 5: I don't have the accolades. I don't have the money.
Speaker 5: Break that down though. This is a missed what I've
Speaker 5: seen various missteps since the since the battle, since the
Speaker 5: back and forth, and it's just like, no, I wouldn't
Speaker 5: have did that. Oh no, I wouldn't have did that.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I definitely wouldn't have did that. That's like
Speaker 5: strict and this is I've been saying that since April.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 5: And you know, I'll say it to to the boy.
Speaker 5: You are still you, Bro. We gonna I'm a DJ.
Speaker 5: We're still gonna play a music. Go make you but
Speaker 5: go make kill bops. That's it, Go make kill bops.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 5: I've said this when it first cracked off, when when,
Speaker 5: when it was, when it was with the homie, I said, Bro,
Speaker 5: leave him, leave bro alone.
Speaker 4: You don't want this. You don't want that.
Speaker 5: Everybody else is trying to get out there in the
Speaker 5: street and say little things. You don't. Dot is different.
Speaker 5: We the same, bro. Like we're always sober, we're never
Speaker 5: on drugs. We're always like, I'm not drunk, I'm not.
Speaker 5: We're clairvoyant, we're strategic, we're intellects, and we're squares. We're
Speaker 5: not gang bangers. So that means, okay, we're not from
Speaker 5: I'm not from a hood, which means everybody fuck with me.
Speaker 5: Dot is from Compton, but he not from a hood
Speaker 5: like that, but everybody fuck with him, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. So it's like, you're not gonna win that way,
Speaker 5: and you're not gonna win. You're not gonna outstrategize because
Speaker 5: you caught up in you know what he said in
Speaker 5: the rect like you don't want to like being famous
Speaker 5: the home. You don't even like being famous. So my
Speaker 5: thing is go make your bops, bro, Like, go make
Speaker 5: your jams. You are still you. Everything that he's doing
Speaker 5: right now is taking away from the legacy that would
Speaker 5: have been.
Speaker 2: That's my question, ten twenty thirty years from now, is
Speaker 2: this going to be something that stands when we look
Speaker 2: back on his greatness? Is this something that's going to
Speaker 2: be glaring when people look back on it.
Speaker 4: The average person don't give a fuck. We care.
Speaker 5: Culturally, we care good point, we care Stephanie who live
Speaker 5: in Orange County, or you know Tamika and Houston who
Speaker 5: loves she don't give a fuck about none of this shit.
Speaker 5: But culturally it's a blemish that probably you can't cover
Speaker 5: up with no amount of makeup.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's talks he had the streets. He doesn't have
Speaker 2: the streets. His whole thing is super talented and versatileent
Speaker 2: across many different spaces and accolades, but it always seems
Speaker 2: like he wanted the streets.
Speaker 3: Can he ever talk to the streets again?
Speaker 4: You tell me what you think?
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, it won't be the same, but yeah, it's
Speaker 5: the thing. Is this this this I'm going to say this,
Speaker 5: and I'm not proud of this street. Urban culture and
Speaker 5: hip hop have no barrier of entry. Anybody can participate.
Speaker 5: You can go get put on right now. It'll be
Speaker 5: it's some hood somewhere that will put mat on right now.
Speaker 5: Matt Groen got kids, You got kids, man, they'll put
Speaker 5: you on right now. You're mat from the hood, he
Speaker 5: feel saying, like, So it's like to me, there's no
Speaker 5: barrier of entry in that in that way. But all
Speaker 5: he gotta do is just leave this alone, go make
Speaker 5: the jams. The girls is gonna be concert's gonna be
Speaker 5: sold out. It might go from seven instead of five
Speaker 5: days at Crypto, it might be two, but it's still
Speaker 5: sold out.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: Before we get out of this, so you do. So
Speaker 2: there's no chance you think that Drake trying to go
Speaker 2: against this system that he has benefited from, that he's
Speaker 2: opening up a door that could really hurt him. And
Speaker 2: I think it already has it already has hurt him.
Speaker 5: I've heard then the chatter of I'm still you know,
Speaker 5: people still called me with.
Speaker 2: You're you're one of the most tapping people. That's what
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you about.
Speaker 5: That shit Like people people call my phone and you know,
Speaker 5: we chop it up about things, and it's it's not good,
Speaker 5: you know, for him, politically, socially, and reputationally. But I
Speaker 5: don't think anybody's I don't think anybody's beyond the point
Speaker 5: of coming back.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of people say, oh it's over, it's over.
Speaker 4: It ain't never over.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: There's a man who did some nefarious things and then
Speaker 5: dropped the hit record and everybody's like, fuck it, let's
Speaker 5: step you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It was like, you know, so I don't think it's
Speaker 5: ever just over. But just look that different, completely different.
Speaker 5: And also when you're talking about opening that box, there
Speaker 5: are people who don't necessarily can't come back from opening
Speaker 5: that box.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's we're living in it right now, and
Speaker 2: we're literally living it. That's my That was my question.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, you got a bunch of rich ass, very
Speaker 2: well connected white men mad at you about something you
Speaker 2: could possibly win, something you could possibly change, whether it's
Speaker 2: for himself or everybody. But you're gonna have some monsters
Speaker 2: coming after you.
Speaker 5: And you think about this, right, you say rich rich
Speaker 5: white people. They're not rich. These people are egregiously wealthy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, rich is a dumb word, right right,
Speaker 2: Verry understands excuse me, egregiously well rich now wealthy, they're
Speaker 2: egregiously wealthy, And I think, like, do you want that
Speaker 2: kind of smoke?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: See? You also got to think about it, right.
Speaker 5: As an athlete, if I get a max contract, say say,
Speaker 5: somebody pay me one hundred million dollars right for five years?
Speaker 4: Well, what is he making? Yeah? Right, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because he's not gonna get me half.
Speaker 2: Now you hear allegedly he's up for a six hundred
Speaker 2: million dollar deal. So if they're giving you that much,
Speaker 2: how much do they like? It's like dumb saying do
Speaker 2: you want them?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't listen shout out to Matt and staggering the
Speaker 5: whole family. I don't want no smoke, none none.
Speaker 2: I'm good all of our delivery guy Like, I don't
Speaker 2: want no issueses.
Speaker 4: I'm good. But I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think that this is a pathway to victory.
Speaker 5: From an optic standpoint, he might win, you know, certain
Speaker 5: facets of his motions, just because there are things that
Speaker 5: occur around the music industry that he might shine some
Speaker 5: light on or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 4: But it's like, bro, you're literally a son of this product.
Speaker 5: You're literally you know what I'm saying, You're literally a
Speaker 5: product of this thing.
Speaker 3: So like, what are we talking about.
Speaker 5: I would have respected it more if he would have
Speaker 5: implicated himself, if he would have if he would have
Speaker 5: fell on his sword, then it would have been like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know what, damn that might be for the benefit
Speaker 5: of everybody else.
Speaker 4: If you're not really, if you're not.
Speaker 5: Willing to, I'm not mad at that. If you're not
Speaker 5: willing to marty yourself. Martin them is a call of
Speaker 5: duty term, just so you know. You know, if you're
Speaker 5: not willing to to martyr yourself in that way, then
Speaker 5: how is it then how and you're willing to implicate
Speaker 5: everyone else except yourself, like to me that that smells
Speaker 5: of disingenuous. M hmm.
Speaker 3: We'll leave it at that. What's next for doc.
Speaker 4: K shit go to pg lane dot com or some
Speaker 4: shit like that. Uh uh.
Speaker 5: I talked to him. He just said this with you
Speaker 5: on right now. You know we've been talking this whole time, and.
Speaker 2: Talk to Top two just the other day. He's on
Speaker 2: some other people leave him below.
Speaker 5: The thing with that is bro and I can share this,
Speaker 5: I guess because I don't like I don't share my
Speaker 5: conversations with him or mostly anybody like you heard me say.
Speaker 2: Me and Matt was on the phone and he told
Speaker 2: me some ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: That's just not what I do. But I lead that
Speaker 5: to the other podcasters and streamers and ship. But like
Speaker 5: our conversations being not necessarily about this, it'd be about
Speaker 5: like real ship, like this is what he thinking, this
Speaker 5: is what I'm on. Like and he called me like
Speaker 5: a few days ago he was like this what I'm on,
Speaker 5: like around mount the truths up?
Speaker 4: Have everybody ready like not on no street ship on.
Speaker 5: Some music like business. Yeah, And he sent me he
Speaker 5: was like, send me some ship, like who ready to go? Like,
Speaker 5: you know, so we get more? We can, we can.
Speaker 5: We're not gonna make us wait that long. No more,
Speaker 5: nothing that you have to I don't know if he's
Speaker 5: gonna I don't I don't know. I think I think
Speaker 5: me personally, I think we're gonna let this breathe for
Speaker 5: a minute. This gn X album is fired. Bro, he
Speaker 5: gotta slapped something.
Speaker 2: I told him.
Speaker 5: This is what I will tell you. I told him, says, look, bro,
Speaker 5: I've been waiting on this. I've been waiting for you
Speaker 5: to do this for ten years.
Speaker 4: Give me. I'm a DJ.
Speaker 3: Brove me.
Speaker 5: I started DJing during the Hyphie era, right, I need
Speaker 5: some slaps, nigga, you know, like all this ard I
Speaker 5: get it and I respect it.
Speaker 4: I get it. I'm still an active DJ.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I was DJing two days ago,
Speaker 2: Like I like, I'm outside. Yeah, that's what Race said.
Speaker 2: You could you can finally work out to this album,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, get you go?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all you artists out there, step your tempos up,
Speaker 5: get them VPMS ninety five.
Speaker 2: So as you as someone in the space, you know,
Speaker 2: Kendrick Drake Cole, however you want to throw them, same
Speaker 2: way you want to throw MJ. Kobe Brun however you
Speaker 2: want to throw it. It is what it is. Who's
Speaker 2: this next era? As these guys start to kind of
Speaker 2: transition into a little you know, into their forties and
Speaker 2: in the next phase of their life. So are there
Speaker 2: some people that stand up to you that are current
Speaker 2: they can carry the torch?
Speaker 5: Wo man, those are some big draws to feel. The
Speaker 5: only the only reason I mean, I don't know, and
Speaker 5: the reason I'm going to say I don't know as
Speaker 5: opposed to just throwing names out there, is because.
Speaker 4: A lot of.
Speaker 5: People and this is actually that's crazy brought this up.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even to talk about this. But a lot
Speaker 5: of people say they want shit and they don't. And
Speaker 5: if you tell a fifteen year old Matt Barnes like, hey, bro, like,
Speaker 5: if you do this and then do this, and then
Speaker 5: do this, you're gonna go to the league. You're gonna
Speaker 5: get a chip. Then you're gonna start your own business
Speaker 5: and you gonna have your own company. Then you're gonna
Speaker 5: advocate for cannabis in the league, and then they're gonna
Speaker 5: stop testing theiggers and then you gonna be like, bet
Speaker 5: what I gotta do? I do the same thing, Dot
Speaker 5: does the same thing. Top of do the same thing,
Speaker 5: salas to do the same thing. We've done this for
Speaker 5: years and people don't do it. It's like, hey, bro, I
Speaker 5: hear you. You want to make your art, but the
Speaker 5: homie can't work out to this record. You're in You're
Speaker 5: literally in fitness, and the homie kept telling you he
Speaker 5: can't work out to this record. I've been at the
Speaker 5: radio station sitting like this with a human being, and
Speaker 5: the human being says, and the human being is telling
Speaker 5: me how to get on the radio.
Speaker 4: I have a key card. He doesn't.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. And it's just like it
Speaker 5: be that type of shit. And so I don't know
Speaker 5: because I don't know who's willing to do it. It's
Speaker 5: whatever it's gonna take. I'm a buy any means necessary
Speaker 5: type of person. I'm more Malcolm than I am Martin,
Speaker 5: but I'm still Martin in temperament, but I'm more Malcolm,
Speaker 5: Like I'm gonna go. A lot of artists are just
Speaker 5: out here, they punching in. They not taking their music serious.
Speaker 5: They're going in the studio with they Homie. They got
Speaker 5: the street Homie managing them. Now, if you laugh, you
Speaker 5: don't have access to resources. Cool, But you also have
Speaker 5: to know which questions to ask, Hey, bro, hey Matt,
Speaker 5: how do I get taken serious to get into the lead?
Speaker 4: Hey? DJ ahead?
Speaker 5: How do I get taken serious to get on the radio?
Speaker 5: Those are the proper questions to ask, not why you're
Speaker 5: not playing the Homie record, why you ain't take it?
Speaker 5: Why you ain't taking the Homie with you to the game?
Speaker 4: Matt? I'm sure, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's just like the entitlement is through the roof and
Speaker 5: the work work ethic is under the house.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't I don't respect that shit.
Speaker 5: So my thing is, if you want to, I don't
Speaker 5: know who's gonna be able to take those slots, because
Speaker 5: I don't know many people willing to work as diligently
Speaker 5: as those in even futures in there to future drop
Speaker 5: more music than the baby, which is hard to do.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, It's like, goddamn, it's another
Speaker 5: future album, like another record eighteen goddamn songs. Actually that's
Speaker 5: not true. E forty dropped thirty goddamn songs. Nobody finna
Speaker 5: listen to thirty goddamn songs.
Speaker 4: Huh, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, like, if you you're not even
Speaker 5: out working the people who've been in the game for
Speaker 5: thirty years, how you gonna how you're gonna be one
Speaker 5: of them?
Speaker 4: If you not? If you're not doing that? Found but
Speaker 4: I will shout out to him.
Speaker 5: From an MC standpoint, there's certain there's a couple of
Speaker 5: people who I really respect. He's not from he not
Speaker 5: from LA but Nick Grant. Nick Grant is an elite MC.
Speaker 5: He from South Carolina. Nick Grant is an elite EMC.
Speaker 5: And it's a lot of people that ain't fucking with
Speaker 5: Nick Grant lyrically. But yeah, and then there's also somebody
Speaker 5: I'm working with that his name is Miles Minnick. He's
Speaker 5: a Christian rapper. But you couldn't tell because it's slap.
Speaker 5: It's all Christian slaps. It ain't nothing like you've ever
Speaker 5: heard in your life. Go get a bar at Miles Minic,
Speaker 5: look up christ like that's that's That's the way I'm
Speaker 5: on now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, I definitely have to check that out, Man,
Speaker 2: you just got done, shout out Nick Cannon.
Speaker 3: Man, he's shout out to Nick. He sold out into it.
Speaker 4: Right into it. Doom man. Let me back up, Nick Cannon.
Speaker 5: It is one of those people who get a lot
Speaker 5: of ship for a lot of things. Right, Oh, Nick,
Speaker 5: don't know what the condom is or Nick?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, he's a great motherfucking human bro bro.
Speaker 4: Nick is amazing person.
Speaker 5: And I respect Nick so much, so much, I respect
Speaker 5: have I meant respect for Nick and him and Chuck.
Speaker 5: Chuck reached out to me. He's like, Yo, can you
Speaker 5: want to you want to do wild'n out shout out
Speaker 5: to Chuck. I'm like, hell yeah, Like he's like you
Speaker 5: and me in town. I'll figure it out, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So, but yeah, Nick made the call
Speaker 5: and he was like, yeah, let's have him pull up
Speaker 5: and do it. I was like, damn, that's really dope.
Speaker 5: You know Nick, I've known Nick for years and uh,
Speaker 5: I don't know some for some reason, he just fucked
Speaker 5: with me. I don't know, kind of like how you like,
Speaker 5: I don't know what like.
Speaker 3: This for a minute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like nine years ago. He was like yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm just fucking with him. Like I'm like, all right,
Speaker 5: bet cool. But I remember shot to watch Homi Kwan.
Speaker 5: I was on the phone with Nick about doing some records.
Speaker 5: Like we was talking about some records and Kwan had
Speaker 5: never had been going around the city like trying to
Speaker 5: get on violence. He's just been auditioning and just running
Speaker 5: in swap meets and Shiit just ghetto shit, right, And
Speaker 5: I just told Nick.
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, bro, have you know who watched
Speaker 4: on me? Kwan Is?
Speaker 5: He was like nah, He was like I think I
Speaker 5: heard his name before, but I don't know him. I said, well,
Speaker 5: he really been trying to get your.
Speaker 4: Attention, bro.
Speaker 5: He been going viral. He doing skits like what you
Speaker 5: you know? Talk to him for me.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, I talked you put him on the phone.
Speaker 4: So I just clicked him in.
Speaker 5: It was like, yo, I got you on Nick, and
Speaker 5: he was just like what like and Nick was just
Speaker 5: one of them. He was took the I was like, look,
Speaker 5: I can't guarantee you a slot on my show, but
Speaker 5: I'll get you an audition. And he killed and he
Speaker 5: ended up on Wilding Out and I was just like damn,
Speaker 5: Like that's a testament to the type of person naked
Speaker 5: is like he didn't know Kwime from a can of paint,
Speaker 5: but just on the meriatu right, And I was just like,
Speaker 5: damn Sallas always say, we don in the talent bus
Speaker 5: in a relationship.
Speaker 2: So it's about and that's what's I mean. We were
Speaker 2: talking about this offer to see your development. I mean
Speaker 2: we met what eight, nine ten years ago, nine years ago,
Speaker 2: and just to be able to see and you know,
Speaker 2: obviously not the same, but I got to see the same.
Speaker 2: I got to see Nip the same way when he
Speaker 2: first started, you know what I mean, And to see
Speaker 2: his development and be on you know, at these little
Speaker 2: dive bars, on him rapping and in the back smoking
Speaker 2: with a bunch of sixties. I was just in that chilling,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Damn bro you on the
Speaker 2: Lakers back with it. But but you know me, I'm cool.
Speaker 2: I'm cool with everybody. I mean, I just get down
Speaker 2: with who I get down with. So it was just
Speaker 2: you know, to be able to you know, see your
Speaker 2: development and your growth. Man, I want to take my
Speaker 2: hat off to you because it's been beautiful and you've
Speaker 2: always been a solid dude, and now you have a
Speaker 2: lot of solid things going on, so I really wanted
Speaker 2: to obviously give you your flyers, but talk your ship man.
Speaker 3: What you got going on right now?
Speaker 4: Oh? Is that Ray?
Speaker 2: Hell yeah? Hell yeah, head. I apologize for Ray, but
Speaker 2: he's got too So he's got so he's got what
Speaker 2: forty cush ups? So anybody who interrupts the show outside
Speaker 2: of me and you twenty cush ups? So you as
Speaker 2: to every push up? Why are you smoking a joint?
Speaker 4: Are you serious?
Speaker 2: He's got forty of them? Thank you, Ray? Wow, that
Speaker 2: was a chirp funck?
Speaker 4: Was that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But hey before Ray interrupted us, thank you, Ray, talk
Speaker 2: to us about some of the stuff you got. I
Speaker 2: want to start with effective immediately.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Effective immediately too, man.
Speaker 5: Effective Immediately is my radio show, nationally syndicated radio Showulations
Speaker 5: Bro and thank you Gena Views. She's the next, She's
Speaker 5: the next one, the next great media champ from my
Speaker 5: Los Angeles, California, and so myself for Gena Views. We're
Speaker 5: on serious sex Simo hip Hop Nation. And when I
Speaker 5: left iHeart like two years that was one of the
Speaker 5: hardest things I've ever had to do with my life.
Speaker 5: Is I just walked even when I took an I
Speaker 5: took a meeting to try to do I took a
Speaker 5: meeting with one of the gems at a competitor station
Speaker 5: from iHeart, and they were like, they thought I was
Speaker 5: running a play, like we want you to come, you know,
Speaker 5: we thinking about doing mornings over here. Would you be
Speaker 5: willing to do it? I'm like, I have any conversation
Speaker 5: you want to have. And they thought it was a game.
Speaker 5: They thought it was like I was being an iHeart
Speaker 5: plant or some shit like that, and I'm just like, nah, bro,
Speaker 5: Like they was like, well, we just never even heard
Speaker 5: of anybody just left iHeart. A There's a Mexican dude, right,
Speaker 5: And so I look at them and say, well, now
Speaker 5: you know a nigga.
Speaker 4: That left iHeart.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that was one of the hardest decisions I've
Speaker 5: ever had to make. But yeah, so when I did it,
Speaker 5: I realized I talked to my spiritual advisor and I
Speaker 5: was thinking about the shit this morning effective media.
Speaker 4: That's why I got the shirt on.
Speaker 5: But it's like, my that's my thing, it's my thing,
Speaker 5: my team. I chose my cameraman, I chose my producer,
Speaker 5: I chose my co host, I chose my team. And
Speaker 5: it's not put together, it's me and it's something that
Speaker 5: I wanted to do. I'm funding it myself, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I'm in the whole every month funding
Speaker 5: this show type deal. And so to me, it's like
Speaker 5: that's my baby and that's my thing, and so I'm
Speaker 5: really proud of of it. And I always say I
Speaker 5: was thinking about that, like, Damn, in order to live
Speaker 5: the life you want, you have to walk away from
Speaker 5: the life you knew. I was like, damn, so yeah,
Speaker 5: so effective. Immediately it's on Hip Hop Nation. Shout out
Speaker 5: to Sway. My dude's Sway Man really just solid, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. Team over over a decade, and
Speaker 5: Sway it was one of them people who advocated for me.
Speaker 5: He went to talk to the Caucasians and made phone
Speaker 5: with some phone calls.
Speaker 3: Have just seen him. I just went to a Snoops
Speaker 3: little listening party.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and was you there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was hot?
Speaker 2: Are you the trusting next to you? I didn't remember
Speaker 2: if I seen you that night because I had a
Speaker 2: long day and I had to run into my kids
Speaker 2: game and you had to leave early because my kids
Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, I just seen specially was the talk
Speaker 2: about that though, that project of of Dre and Snoop
Speaker 2: up at it, So it just came to came to mind.
Speaker 5: But Bro, that was my first time hearing the new
Speaker 5: album all the way through because Snoop had played some
Speaker 5: other records and I heard some other records, but I
Speaker 5: hadn't heard it in sequence all the way through, and
Speaker 5: I was like, damn, people are not expecting this, Like,
Speaker 5: it's not what people think. Everybody's thinking it's doggy style.
Speaker 5: It's completely not Doggy style. And at first when I
Speaker 5: first heard the record, Snoop was like, hey, nobody say nothing.
Speaker 4: You know, they took our phones and ship it was.
Speaker 5: For real because was early and we couldn't talk about it.
Speaker 4: So I go back to the radio station. They're like,
Speaker 4: what's up. I can't talk about.
Speaker 5: It, like Nigga, Like what you mean, Like it's snoopid
Speaker 5: doctor Dre Like, but yeah, now we can talk about it.
Speaker 5: It's not Doggy style at all, Snoop said, and I
Speaker 5: could quote him on it. Snoop said he now is
Speaker 5: in a place where his life where he wants to
Speaker 5: make stadium music, and it don't have to always sound
Speaker 5: like doggie stuff. And so I was like, you know what,
Speaker 5: I respect it. You know what I'm saying. But that
Speaker 5: was a moment for me, just being in a room
Speaker 5: with Sway listen to the album and him telling me like,
Speaker 5: well it was Snoop, it was cute. And then Snoop
Speaker 5: was like, I got it, and then he said Kendrick
Speaker 5: got it. And then and then Sway was like, well,
Speaker 5: you know it's me and King Tech and the Bay
Speaker 5: is Big Boy and now it's DJ Head and Gews
Speaker 5: And I was like, damn, and We're just sitting there
Speaker 5: like okay.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I.
Speaker 5: Said, it's big draws the feel, but yeah, effective immediately
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Speaker 4: Hey, yo, Philip, So I'm here.
Speaker 5: I'm on Matt Barnes' new show, and of course it's
Speaker 5: on all the Smoke Network, but I'm here with Matt
Speaker 5: Barnes has been a good friend of mine, and we're
Speaker 5: talking everything about everything I got going on. Matt is
Speaker 5: thinking about starting a new show starring DJ Head. Can
Speaker 5: you give him a couple of pointers?
Speaker 7: Hey, there, it's super cool that you're on Matt Barnes' show,
Speaker 7: so exciting. Here's a couple of pointers for Matt Barnes
Speaker 7: thinking about starting a new show starring DJ Head. One,
Speaker 7: Authenticity is key. Make sure djhad is given the space
Speaker 7: to be himself. Authenticity resonates with audiences and when the
Speaker 7: host genuinely loves what they do, it shows.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 7: Define your unique angle. There are tons of shows out there.
Speaker 7: Find it all right?
Speaker 5: So look, another question is another thing is like, I'm
Speaker 5: sitting here with Matt right we're literally on set and
Speaker 5: people are tripping off there.
Speaker 4: I'm talking to you right now.
Speaker 5: And Matt had Kamala Harris on his show, and you
Speaker 5: know she didn't win the election, But how likely do
Speaker 5: you think it is for her to win if she
Speaker 5: ran again?
Speaker 3: He had to think about that.
Speaker 7: Shit, I see you're causing a bit of a stir
Speaker 7: by chatting live on set. That rocks talking about Kamala
Speaker 7: Harris and the potential for her to run again. Well,
Speaker 7: predicting elections can be a bit like trying to catch
Speaker 7: lightning in a bottle.
Speaker 4: Cut the bullshit? Is she gonna run again? What do
Speaker 4: you think? All right?
Speaker 7: Cutting straight to it, It's really hard to say for sure.
Speaker 7: I Kamala Harris will run again. A lot depends on
Speaker 7: how political landscapes evolve and personal decisions she might make
Speaker 7: closer to election time. While she has the experience and
Speaker 7: name recognition, whether she'll run again is something only time
Speaker 7: will reveal. It could depend on various factors, including party dynamics,
Speaker 7: her role in the.
Speaker 4: All right, thanks, I hit you back. No, worries.
Speaker 7: Hit me up anytime, have a blast on set and
Speaker 7: say hi to Matt for me.
Speaker 4: Catch you later.
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I just I love the space that I'm in man,
Speaker 5: being able to being able to create navigate conversations.
Speaker 4: I'm still outside.
Speaker 5: I'm not sitting in the room somewhere just on stream
Speaker 5: talking shit like I'm really like outside and it feels
Speaker 5: good that we have in this moment in culture and
Speaker 5: being able to have dialogue about it is super important
Speaker 5: because I don't think you get anywhere by with nobody
Speaker 5: talking to each other.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Bro, were only supposed to talk about
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty minutes. We talked like forty five. We can
Speaker 2: probably talk another hour, man, but I know you got
Speaker 2: to get places. But Man, thank you, congratulations and Man,
Speaker 2: we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 4: Bro, Man, thank you, Bro.
Speaker 3: Appreciate Youallep.
Speaker 2: Now we're real to catch up with my brother five
Speaker 2: with five with my guy Steve and Jesse Jackson.
Speaker 4: What's up, jack goold that my brother's adding which.
Speaker 3: I can't call him.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: High is the cost of living. But life is good, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: Well let's get.
Speaker 4: To it man.
Speaker 2: NBA viewership is down twenty eight percent, Shack says because
Speaker 2: of the style of play too many threes. Some people
Speaker 2: think it's because loads management. Illegal streaming is going through
Speaker 2: the roof right now, What are your thoughts on why
Speaker 2: it's down twelve? That's a big drop. It's not a
Speaker 2: couple percent ports, that's a huge drop. Why do you
Speaker 2: think that is well?
Speaker 4: For me?
Speaker 6: I think the integrity of the game is gone, you know,
Speaker 6: I think I think that's what's lost. You know, people
Speaker 6: fighting for his fighting for to get on the court,
Speaker 6: people dying to play eighty two games, people will you know,
Speaker 6: just just that attitude, that old attitude of the game
Speaker 6: that some guys still have. It's not everybody, it's not everybody.
Speaker 6: A lot of guys in the league still have it.
Speaker 6: But as a whole, as the league, as a as
Speaker 6: an identity for the league as whole, it don't have
Speaker 6: that tough every night I'm gonna watch these guys.
Speaker 4: They gonna compete and try to kill each other to win.
Speaker 6: You don't have that feel when you watch NBA basketball,
Speaker 6: and it really doesn't get that way until the Western Conference,
Speaker 6: Eastern Conference Finals, and then the finals. That's what most
Speaker 6: people watch. So, you know, it's a lot of guys
Speaker 6: that love the game like we did and play still
Speaker 6: want to play that way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And even though he's not.
Speaker 6: An entertaining guy to watch, or he's not dunking and
Speaker 6: shooting threes and doing all that exciting stuff. But you
Speaker 6: gotta you love great guys like Raymond who played the
Speaker 6: game that way, right, They played the game that that
Speaker 6: physical way, that would do anything with the will to win.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: You don't have too many guys, so the integrity game
Speaker 6: has been shot. Just shooting threes and you know, just
Speaker 6: not having big men in the bang and like that,
Speaker 6: just all that in the hole is really the reason
Speaker 6: why I think that the viewership is down, and I
Speaker 6: think the only way they can get their back is
Speaker 6: go back to the old style of play and stop
Speaker 6: and stop catering to offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think the style of players changed. But
Speaker 2: even when Jack and we played, it's a long ass season, bro,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Eighty two games is a
Speaker 2: long time. So, you know, we used to get up
Speaker 2: for Christmas, you know, start of the season. Whatever you're
Speaker 2: excited about start season, and it kind of dies down
Speaker 2: a little bit. Then obviously if you're able to play
Speaker 2: the Christmas Day games, but then like Christmas till shit,
Speaker 2: all stars kind of uh whatever. Some people make big
Speaker 2: jumps during that time because they take that down time serious.
Speaker 2: But after all Star Breakers players is when you know,
Speaker 2: guys really started to lock in. So I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: it's a long, ast season. There's a lot of other stuff,
Speaker 2: but what's crazy about the NBA is though it's twenty
Speaker 2: eight percent down in the ratings, but it's as big
Speaker 2: as it's ever been on social media, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: so on the flip side, people are consuming different and
Speaker 2: still being engaged with these athletes and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but just just the overall people aren't tuning into these
Speaker 2: games until, like you said, you know later in the season,
Speaker 2: you know, going into and being in the playoffs. Last week,
Speaker 2: Bill Simmons said, Caitlin Clark is the biggest star under thirty,
Speaker 2: not only in the w NBA but the NBA. And
Speaker 2: you know, obviously I think that that stirred some feathers,
Speaker 2: but it just got me thinking and and first and foremost,
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily mad at that statement. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I agree one hundred percent with it, but I'm
Speaker 2: definitely not mad with that statement. When you hear that, Jack,
Speaker 2: what do you what do you think.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say?
Speaker 6: I mean, she's she's definitely the biggest female NBA store,
Speaker 6: I mean basketball star, but nah, because you got I
Speaker 6: think the the sixth biggest NBA star in NBA is
Speaker 6: bigger than Kitten Clark, right, because just just how big
Speaker 6: of the just how big the NBA game is, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. It's not it's not a to her,
Speaker 6: It's just that the NBA players, Like I can name
Speaker 6: five NBA players right now that are probably bigger than
Speaker 6: Clay Caitlyn Clock worldwide.
Speaker 2: And you mean bigger, like you mean bigger, like just
Speaker 2: more known or what the gravity the gravity they bring
Speaker 2: to the game or.
Speaker 6: No more known, just more known period, right, Because you know,
Speaker 6: if you're saying she's bigger than any athlete basketball, male
Speaker 6: and female, it's kind of hard to say because you know,
Speaker 6: like I said, some of these guys, even guys that
Speaker 6: that play, maybe the sixth seventh guy, have a big
Speaker 6: social media influence. Some of these guys in the league
Speaker 6: that people know more than some some of the top
Speaker 6: scores in the w NBA.
Speaker 4: It's called, you know, off social media, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 6: So I'm saying things like that, But when you got
Speaker 6: guys like you know, Katie Lebron, you know all these
Speaker 6: top guys, like, don't I don't think the top maybe
Speaker 6: ten or maybe eight guys in the NBA that she
Speaker 6: she could ever be bigger than.
Speaker 2: No, but we're talking about just currently under thirty. So
Speaker 2: it also got us kind of thinking, you know a
Speaker 2: list of you know, the top athletes under thirty right now,
Speaker 2: and those guys, Yeah, no, they're definitely on the list.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna name some of the top athletes in
Speaker 2: North American sports under thirty. Obviously LaMelo ball Jah and
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum. Uh Otani is under thirty, uh Simone Biles.
Speaker 3: Who else? Mahoe? Is he twenty nine or thirty?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes is right there on that border.
Speaker 6: So but you named two basketball players that she's not
Speaker 6: bigger than already Anthony ed was in Jason's She's not
Speaker 6: bigger than those two guys. Is she bigger than John?
Speaker 6: I don't think she's bigger than y'all either. Jackson, Well,
Speaker 6: Joe was gone for a minute.
Speaker 3: He took a huge step. I mean, here here we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he gonna get it back.
Speaker 6: He probablydn't got it back already for some of the
Speaker 6: moves he'd have made already yeah, but Kaitlyn Kaylenkaitlyn was
Speaker 6: ahead of him for a minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, obviously we love what she's been able
Speaker 2: to do for the game. But you know, I just
Speaker 2: thought there was something interesting that Bill Simmons went out
Speaker 2: on the wire with and uh, you know, knew it'd spark.
Speaker 4: A little bit of debate. Jack.
Speaker 2: The Wizards went oh for Winfrey in the month of November.
Speaker 2: Oh and fourteen? Are they just that bad? Or you
Speaker 2: think they're trying to capture the flag Cooper Flag, which
Speaker 2: was everyone's predicting. You are hearing some Ace Baley though,
Speaker 2: But Cooper Flag will be the first pick and our
Speaker 2: team's really tanking for him or just the Wizards.
Speaker 4: That bad one.
Speaker 6: I had forty twice in my career and they both
Speaker 6: was on the Wizards. Uh, tru, there's no way you
Speaker 6: can purposely lose.
Speaker 4: Crazy.
Speaker 3: That's a crazy statu you just gave us, right there.
Speaker 4: Was on the Wizards, one with the Hogs and one
Speaker 4: with the Warriors.
Speaker 3: Ship. Go ahead, what's the second.
Speaker 4: Thing you said? Fuck?
Speaker 6: I forgot to Uh, yeah, just said there's no there's
Speaker 6: no way that they can lose intentionally fourteen games in
Speaker 6: the row.
Speaker 3: They just ship bro the dog.
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm just saying, you can't purposely lose fourteen like
Speaker 6: one of the games. You could be like, man, fuck
Speaker 6: this ship, and you know what I'm saying. But fourteen
Speaker 6: in the row, they're just a bad team. Bro, it's
Speaker 6: a bad team.
Speaker 2: And I got my I fuck with Ko's I fuck
Speaker 2: with that's my dog. I like COO's mother, and I
Speaker 2: like Jordan Poole too. But they're stepped over the ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: own fourteen. Yeah, switching the gears to Cooper flag. Do
Speaker 2: you think have you seen have you seen him in college?
Speaker 2: I know you probably saw, you know, what he was
Speaker 2: doing in high school. Do you think he is the
Speaker 2: number one pick and he's someone that can really make
Speaker 2: a difference in this You know, obviously you're starting to
Speaker 2: hear Dylan Harper, his teammate Ace Bailey Cooper Flya has
Speaker 2: been kind of carrying that number one pick on his
Speaker 2: shoulders for the last year. Is he someone that can
Speaker 2: come in and really change your franchise around?
Speaker 6: I think so he's definitely, you know, you know, he's
Speaker 6: definitely number one pick, but top three pick. You know
Speaker 6: how they do it depending on what teams need. But
Speaker 6: I definitely think he's that guy.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I watched him play.
Speaker 6: I think it was the first game I seen him
Speaker 6: play was against either Kentucky, memph is one of those teams. No, Louisville.
Speaker 6: I think it was Louisville and one of those teams.
Speaker 6: And he played good. He did everything bro, He scored,
Speaker 6: he rebound, he played defense, he got in the pass.
Speaker 4: And lines like he do it all man.
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, I know as as it season
Speaker 6: goes on, he's gonna continue to get more confident and stronger.
Speaker 6: And I definitely see him probably as you know, if
Speaker 6: not the number one pick, top B pick.
Speaker 3: H m hm hm, we shall see. It's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 2: Uh. Anthony Edwards recently calling out his team, called him
Speaker 2: soft and front runners. I'm gonna read you his quote.
Speaker 2: We soft as hell as a team internally, Edwards said,
Speaker 2: we can't talk to each other. We're just a bunch
Speaker 2: of little kids, just like we're playing with a bunch
Speaker 2: of little kids. Everybody, the whole team, we can't. We
Speaker 2: can't talk to each other, and we got to figure
Speaker 2: it out because we can't go down this road. Why
Speaker 2: things have changed drastically in in Minnesota, obviously, with with
Speaker 2: the you know, the season they had last year. Uh,
Speaker 2: the trade that happened, we saw I think it was
Speaker 2: like a week ago or maybe a little bit longer. Uh,
Speaker 2: when Julius Rena had the ball on the wing, and
Speaker 2: and and and Gobert was posting up in the lane
Speaker 2: and he just sat there and he wouldn't give them
Speaker 2: the ball. And Gobert got the three seconds in the
Speaker 2: in the key and then An yelled at Gobert.
Speaker 3: Did Gobert like does Gobert did?
Speaker 2: Did Gobert think he was a go to like drop
Speaker 2: him down like Shaq and you gotta I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: to work?
Speaker 3: Is that what he was thinking? Jack?
Speaker 6: I thought he was thought he was playing two K
Speaker 6: with himself or someone else, and now with himself, that's
Speaker 6: the only time they'll call a play for him.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on h on Minnesota and this turmoil?
Speaker 2: I mean this They made it to the Western Finals
Speaker 2: last year, right or second round?
Speaker 4: Second round?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 3: Western Conference Finals?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: They lost to Dallas, right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean this team, you know, went to the to
Speaker 2: the Western Finals. Obviously a huge trade that sent Kat
Speaker 2: to the Knicks and brought Julius Randavit and Devincenzo over.
Speaker 2: Devincenzo struggled a little bit. Randall still had like twenty one,
Speaker 2: seven and four, But it's just a completely different style
Speaker 2: of play than what Kat brought to the team. They
Speaker 2: were a top defensive team. They've they've slid a little
Speaker 2: bit in that department. So you know, what do you
Speaker 2: think about the young superstar call on out his team.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, just like you said, the league has changed,
Speaker 6: because that was a polite way to say it.
Speaker 4: He said that the nice way.
Speaker 6: I remember before we went on that with eighteen out
Speaker 6: of twenty one or something like that, sixteen at eighteen
Speaker 6: some we did at the end of the season to
Speaker 6: make the playoffs.
Speaker 4: I remember before we played Detroit.
Speaker 6: I remember when Beattie came in the locker room after
Speaker 6: we lost that game, before we got Detroit.
Speaker 4: He and Beatie called us all kinds.
Speaker 6: Of bitches, were playing like bitches, we can do better,
Speaker 6: all kind of shit, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 6: and we and we and we all took heat. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and we went on that run. But you know so,
Speaker 6: so I think he said it to him in a
Speaker 6: nice way.
Speaker 4: But I love that.
Speaker 6: And because you don't, you don't hear you don't hear
Speaker 6: that happened often, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes, and
Speaker 6: of course of the season, that has to happen a
Speaker 6: couple of times to get back on track, you know,
Speaker 6: sometimes you got to snap back, especially when you're a
Speaker 6: good team. And he used to have success. They coming
Speaker 6: off success. But this is a whole new team now.
Speaker 6: The chemistr ain't that like it was with Cat and
Speaker 6: oh boys. So I just I just I love it.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 4: And like I said, everybody say, Anthony is an old soul.
Speaker 6: He has the old field like we used to play,
Speaker 6: and he shows a lot of signs of it. But
Speaker 6: you know, as much as he say that, guy's got
Speaker 6: to take heed to it. And if guys can't buy
Speaker 6: it buying to be on the same page, it just
Speaker 6: ain't gonna work.
Speaker 4: I feelure.
Speaker 2: I think, uh, somebody in the Wizards locker room needs
Speaker 2: to have that conversation too.
Speaker 4: Work.
Speaker 6: Nah, nah, somebody, somebody, somebody need to have the whole
Speaker 6: team tell them having a team meeting, and somebody just
Speaker 6: tell everybody I'll be in there in ten seas and
Speaker 6: send somebody that just tell them to pull a pin.
Speaker 4: Out and roll the grenade and then blow Jack.
Speaker 6: Blow the whole organization up, nigga, just blow the whole
Speaker 6: organization and stopping scratch.
Speaker 2: So much for closing out with the motivational speech. Uh hey,
Speaker 2: before we get out of here. College football rival, we reaked.
Speaker 2: There were some brawls, man, people got down. I mean
Speaker 2: in the in the Ohio State Michigan game, got boys
Speaker 2: got pepper sprayed. Florida State Florida uh n c uh
Speaker 2: state you uh versus Carolina Jack. They were active this
Speaker 2: weekend in college football and it even carried over into
Speaker 2: the NFL a little bit. What was going on this
Speaker 2: week and what was up with the energy people have
Speaker 2: thanks given the summer, Man.
Speaker 6: You know, people just willing to They trying to after
Speaker 6: they win, They willing to disrespect, the disrespect disrespecting people
Speaker 6: all time high. People just trying to disrespect people as
Speaker 6: much as.
Speaker 2: They can moments, you know, stabbing the logo and dancing
Speaker 2: on the logo. And it's been done before, but I
Speaker 2: think it's been recently, Like you said, it's been more
Speaker 2: people trying to go viral. I mean I even see
Speaker 2: like pop warning kids when they beat a team bad,
Speaker 2: like kids walking through the line with a little belt
Speaker 2: with happen the team they lost? Like, man, fuck out
Speaker 2: of here with that? I mean, Jack, if if if
Speaker 2: if someone celebrated on on the We Believe logo onto
Speaker 2: the Words logo and some ship like that, what would
Speaker 2: have happened?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I mean back when the NBA quart
Speaker 6: is smaller, So like you know, they say they might,
Speaker 6: you know, you don't know if they in the middle
Speaker 6: of praying, you don't know what they're doing, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But like the quart is small enough
Speaker 6: with if you if you disrespecting the team and organization,
Speaker 6: somebody around going hear you. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 6: just make sure the right person hear you.
Speaker 4: That's all. Just be small. Just make sure that the
Speaker 4: person here doing.
Speaker 6: With us, because it's a good chance that four or
Speaker 6: five people can hear you. So make sure the right
Speaker 6: person hear you, bro, because it's not going again how
Speaker 6: you played it.
Speaker 2: The disrespect is that all time high in life? Yeah, man, Jack,
Speaker 2: I wanted to give a shout out to Coach Prime
Speaker 2: and and the Buffalos and all the young men on
Speaker 2: that team. I don't recall somebody coming into a situation
Speaker 2: that was one of eleven last year, four and eight
Speaker 2: and then nine to three, you know, really one game
Speaker 2: away from making the college football playoffs. And you know,
Speaker 2: you really got to tip your hat to DM because
Speaker 2: there was a lot of mainstream media that was very disrespectful,
Speaker 2: almost borderline on some racist bullshit, just constantly, constantly killing him.
Speaker 2: And I think the way he's been able to turn
Speaker 2: this team around, led by his son and Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: I think it's been a beautiful thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know you're talking about Paul golf Ball, feeling bomb, whatever, name.
Speaker 2: Of the I mean, it wasn't just him. Here's a
Speaker 2: ton of people. Yeah, you mean, Jason Shitlock was talking shit.
Speaker 2: You know, there's just a lot of different people that
Speaker 2: just a lot of disrespect around the way Dion was moving.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's brought results
Speaker 2: and those kids love him. So you know what your
Speaker 2: thoughts about the way he's been able to turn this
Speaker 2: you know, this around in only two years, well.
Speaker 6: Especially Matt, like for me, especially for him to after
Speaker 6: they lost last week, to come out this week and
Speaker 6: put a spanking on the team, putting up fifty points.
Speaker 4: You know, I think that.
Speaker 6: Said that that really sums up what coach Prime has
Speaker 6: taught these boys and what he's instilled into these guys,
Speaker 6: because they all know last week when they lost, that
Speaker 6: was the letdown.
Speaker 4: That really was they chance to get into the you know,
Speaker 4: the tournament. That was really their chance. They knew it.
Speaker 6: But they could have easily showed up this week and say,
Speaker 6: you know what, our season over anyway, Travis and uh
Speaker 6: and should do it going to the league?
Speaker 4: Everything good? You know what I'm saying, They just show up.
Speaker 6: Nah, they showed up and played and finished their season
Speaker 6: on the right note the way the Prime wanted them
Speaker 6: to finish the season. And me personally, I still feel like, hey, man,
Speaker 6: it's a whole bunch of them teams. That's that's probably
Speaker 6: end the tournament that nobody want to see. Man though
Speaker 6: Prime and them the ratings up, everybody gonna watch. It's
Speaker 6: gonna be dope. You know what I'm saying that that
Speaker 6: that just me personally. But but but just for what
Speaker 6: he's done to get that team in nine and three
Speaker 6: and and and to finish the way they finished, Matt,
Speaker 6: big big salute coach Prime.
Speaker 4: We knew what he was gonna do. That's a guy,
Speaker 4: a good friend of ours.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: So I'm just happy that everything he said he was
Speaker 6: gonna go there and do, he's exceeded that times ten.
Speaker 3: I want to add one more thing to what you
Speaker 3: were saying. He also came out yesterday or Saturday and
Speaker 3: said that they will be playing in the in the
Speaker 3: bowl game, like his stars will be playing. And I
Speaker 3: think that's obviously something that's kind of dragged some of
Speaker 3: the raidings of the toilet because these top teams get
Speaker 3: there and their best, you know, potential star NFL stars
Speaker 3: don't play. So again, to what he's building over there
Speaker 3: is culture and and and on ability. Uh, he's going
Speaker 3: to make sure their stars play in the bowl game.
Speaker 3: And then again they also flipped forward a major recruits
Speaker 3: and we're able to get them over to Colorado.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: So, d Man, congratulations on the season. Obviously didn't end
Speaker 2: the way you guys wanted it to, but you definitely
Speaker 2: have earned the respect you already had our love. But
Speaker 2: I think that the country is finally realizing, you know,
Speaker 2: what you've brought over there, and man, we definitely appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So good luck in you all bowl game, and we'll
Speaker 2: definitely be tuned in. Before you said throw a pin
Speaker 2: in them and blow the whole organization up. We wanted
Speaker 2: to get out of here with some You know you
Speaker 2: you've been very inspirational and inspiring on I g of lately,
Speaker 2: so I wanted you. Why did you leave me and
Speaker 2: our guests with the Sunday message.
Speaker 6: Oh, Sunday message on a Monday, on a Monday, Sunday
Speaker 6: message on the Monday.
Speaker 4: Okay? Would be?
Speaker 5: Don't be too hard on you said, especially as men,
Speaker 5: especially as men, you know, we take on a lot,
Speaker 5: and it's a lot of stuff we don't talk about.
Speaker 5: A lot we don't want to talk about because we
Speaker 5: feel like we can handle it all and it becomes
Speaker 5: too much a lot of times and we feel like
Speaker 5: we could just smoke a joint or just go to
Speaker 5: sleep and it'll go away.
Speaker 6: But in all actuality that just sits on is as men.
Speaker 6: So you know, don't be too hard on your stuff.
Speaker 6: You out there doing great, You're doing as best as
Speaker 6: you can. Just know that the rain don't last forever.
Speaker 2: All right, Stack, appreciate your time, bro, We'll talk soon,
Speaker 2: all right now. Two and two last week not what
Speaker 2: I'm necessarily proud of, but I've been living and dying
Speaker 2: with the Niners, and I'm seeing that I may have
Speaker 2: to just let them go. Not as a team. I'm
Speaker 2: always going to be a fan, but I just don't
Speaker 2: know if I can continue to better them. And when
Speaker 2: you Check fumbled on the goal line yesterday, it was
Speaker 2: a microcosm of our season and I just had to really,
Speaker 2: it's just not our fucking year, is we are? We
Speaker 2: just haven't had the right timing and the pieces.
Speaker 3: And you know.
Speaker 2: Jelani has been over here losing hair over it. Luckily
Speaker 2: he's tall so you can't see the ball spot on
Speaker 2: the top of his head. But it's been stressing some
Speaker 2: people out man. So I still love you, Ninus, I
Speaker 2: just can't continue to bet with you, guys. So the
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Speaker 2: Packer's been playing good, Lion's been playing good. I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: did to my forty nine ers. Bills minus four coming
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Speaker 2: minus four because if we do have any hope, we
Speaker 2: need the NFC to stay around five hundred until we
Speaker 2: get healthy. So I'm going to the Bills minus four
Speaker 2: on that. You know, obviously, I made these picks yesterday
Speaker 2: or last night before I broke up this morning and
Speaker 2: realized I had to stop betting on the Niners. But
Speaker 2: we got the Bears at the Niners.
Speaker 3: I can't let go of you guys yet.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to take the Niners minus four and
Speaker 2: a half at home, Christian McCaffrey, get healthy, man, get healthy.
Speaker 2: And last but not least, the Chargers at the Chiefs
Speaker 2: Charge been playing good football. Chargers have been playing some
Speaker 2: good football, but I just feel like Patty at the
Speaker 2: House is tough to beat. I'm gonna take the Chiefs
Speaker 2: minus four. So we'll see how we do this week.
Speaker 2: If we lose, I'm trying. That's the rap Man. Thank
Speaker 2: you for you guys tuning in. You can catch us
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Speaker 4: So y'all