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Speaker 1: to talk to you all that. I Hello the Internet,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to this very special holiday edition of Guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Santa, I'm Jack O'Brien, a K potatoes O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: I should have had a holiday THEMEDOG. That's the conclusion

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Speaker 1: that I'm drawing right now. I'm joined as always buy

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Speaker 1: my co host Mr Miles Boils a K s Oh.

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Speaker 1: That actually hurts my whole back to try and speak that.

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Speaker 1: today by Super Producers supers producer DJ Daniel. It's your boy,

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Speaker 1: It's your boy a DJ clause Anna Clause, I got confused.

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Speaker 1: Do it again from the top, from the top, Hello,

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Speaker 1: what a time to be alive at the time, in

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Speaker 1: fact is the holidays. Uh. And we wanted to just

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Speaker 1: uh whatever that's reflected by streaming content and and film.

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Speaker 1: I watched a couple of holiday movies, one by My

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Speaker 1: Lonesome and one with the Children's Yesterday to just getting steeped. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You are a Hallmark Christmas movie queen, you know, as

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Speaker 1: down like the top fifty seven Christmas films of all time,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know why that number is such, but

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Speaker 1: that's very very basic. Alright, So Daniel Anna, what are

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like perfect or anything. Uh, but it was

425
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: Christen Stewart's energy though is I don't know if it's

426
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: right for a hot like she's so brooding. She's so

427
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: brooding that it truly I guess that's the difference. Like

428
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fine film that is based around Christmas,

429
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: but for me, like it's a but it was kind

430
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: of funny at moments where it's sort of Kristen Stewart

431
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: still keeping her Christian Stewart energy but in a holiday film.

432
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: So it felt like an SNL sketch up. Yeah, it

433
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: really did. It felt like she was in a different movie,

434
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: uh from everyone else what was going on around her.

435
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: I still love watching her like in everything because she's

436
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: so good. That's why I was watching, Like, yo, this

437
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: is throwing me off because she's like haunted and these

438
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: other people like so what's your fami? What was your family?

439
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: And like, you know, this is so weird. This like

440
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: feels like when there's like a real person in like

441
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Tunetown or something, but they got so many of the

442
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: details like of like going home and like being with

443
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: your relatives and like you immediately returned to like some

444
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: dynamic from when you were in high school or whatever.

445
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: And uh, the dad, for some reason, this really got

446
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: me because it's something my dad does. But the dad

447
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: knowing the name of the hostess at their restaurant and

448
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: like calling her by her name. It's like, no, this

449
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: is great, Courtney, thank you. Um. But it's totally like

450
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Mary Holland who wrote it, uh co wrote it with

451
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: the director, um is so good and Dan Levy is

452
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: so good in it. Um yeah, because he just gets

453
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: to be to do his Dan Levy thing. You know.

454
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, hey, Dan Levy, just do this character.

455
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: They're like, yo, just be you and just just go

456
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: where this takes you. Yeah. But it for people who

457
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: don't know, it's uh like movie with a lesbian relationship

458
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: at the core, and one of the women goes home

459
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: to her family and she hasn't come out to them yet,

460
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: and so her girlfriend has to pretend like she's her

461
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: straight roommate. Rights character is her whatever her qualities is

462
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: that she's a terrible liar. So imagine Kristen Stewart who like,

463
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, like there's a joke and where Daniel Levies

464
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: like have they never seen a game? Like when they're

465
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: talking about Christs and we're suddenly they're like, what's who

466
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: were you? Who are you? Like? So who are you dating?

467
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, man, like this guy. And there's a

468
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: great damn Levie seen at the end where he's trying

469
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: to brow down with a guy who he thinks is hot.

470
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: But there's also a good runner on the on the

471
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: trope that I wanted to bring back up of orphans

472
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: because christen steps parents died when she was nine ten,

473
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: and they treat her like she is a orphan from

474
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: a Disney film. They're like, oh, you've never had a

475
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: Christmas before. Uh. But it's strange to me that, Like

476
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: that's why I wonder if holiday movies are like one

477
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: of the most American genres because it's like so specific

478
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: to like things Americans are obsessed with, such as like

479
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: being an orphan, you have to have any working. It's

480
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: like our Eurovision. I feel like from outside, you're like,

481
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: what the fund is? These fucking things suck? People like

482
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: this ship and they're like, I don't know, man, whoa

483
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: and as somebody who wasn't like who wasn't like raised

484
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: and steeped on this did did did you ever have

485
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: that moment? Where you were just like, what the funk?

486
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm living a fever dream. Uh No,

487
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: I think it's like I don't know, Anna might be

488
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: the same. I don't There's some things became like exotic

489
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: to me, like certain parts of American culture, like I'm

490
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: just so into because they were just they were so

491
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: absent from my house that I was like, oh ship

492
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: the Christmas lights like that, because I wasn't really you know,

493
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: like my house. My house wasn't really like that very

494
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: festive or anything like that. So that I think brought

495
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: something out of me where like now like I'm just

496
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm fucked up now and I need all

497
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: the tropium I can get. Mm hmm, give me that tropy,

498
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: how about you? Um yeah, I mean I I just

499
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't really normally watch Christmas movies or any movies

500
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: without Arnold Schwarzenegger, Danny de Vito, or Tim Allen, But

501
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: um yeah, I watched this one because you know, I'm

502
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: a fan of Mary Hall and I think she's really funny,

503
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 1: and I think the majority of the joy from the

504
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: film outside of forcing a woman back, you know, it

505
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: was just like the concept of forcing someone back in

506
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: the closet was tough, but um I did. I did

507
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: enjoy the casting of Alison breas like the older, uptight

508
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: sister who just so funny the way she's like, I'm

509
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: sloan and then turns away like does not even ask

510
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: what her name, what Christen Start's name is, And then

511
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: like Mary Holland, Yeah, yes, exactly, yeah, the kids, you know,

512
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: they're so good at everything. And then like Mary Holland

513
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: as just the sister who's only around to fix the WiFi.

514
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Like it's just like the I thought Mary Holland like

515
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: really brought some real joy uh into the the movie,

516
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: and I mostly I watched it because there were great

517
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: like comedic moments like that, Yeah, let just keep you around.

518
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: What's Mary Holland most known for, Like, I know, we're

519
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: as part of Wild Horses and the like what would

520
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: our listeners who aren't She's known improviser, comic actors, the

521
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: wife of Jonah for right, um ye yeah, also Mary

522
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Mary stein stein Bergers and she's Plaza is Like I

523
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: haven't really been watching a lot of her work since

524
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: part the Parks and wreck Days and so like I

525
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of her where she's uh not

526
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: like putting forward a vibe of like misanthropy and like

527
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: I hate everyone, and she's so good and likable like

528
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: in this role that like, I don't know, I could

529
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: see her, I could see a career for that kid.

530
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Keep tabs on that one. Huh um. But all right,

531
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: well that is that is Christmas movies, Guys. Die Hard

532
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: is one of my faves again, one where Christmas is

533
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: just kind of the the background. Can I do an

534
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: honorable mention because it's kind of terrible and also at

535
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: the same time like just the It's called Noel. It

536
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: came out in two thousand four h directed by Chaz

537
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Palm and Terry Uh. Stars Penelope Cruz, Susan Strandon, Paul Walker,

538
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: r I, p Alan arkin Um and Robin Williams and

539
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: Uh and Robin Williams is uncredited. You have to watch

540
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: to find out, but I recommended it's about The film

541
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: centers centers on a bunch of strangers who all meet

542
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: at random times by because of a series of random

543
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: events on Christmas Eve or in New York. I don't

544
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: really know fully the plot. I can't recall off top

545
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: of my head, but I remember watching it. I know

546
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: it was weird. It didn't have Arnold swartz Ainger, Tim

547
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: Allen or Danny to be doing. So I was a

548
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: little confused at first to what was going on, right,

549
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: And you know, I called my father and was like,

550
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: I've done something terrible. Yeah, it's a it's an interesting

551
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: holiday move with it feels very much like a Hallmark film,

552
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: but that has all these stars in it and is

553
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: directed by Chaz Palmon dary. Um. I have to but

554
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: before we go, actually, I do want to get everyone's

555
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: thoughts on Love actually, because that does seem like it's

556
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: the worst shark test of of Christmas movies that like,

557
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: some people love it. Some people are like, I'm very

558
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: indifferent to it and think the writing is bad. Um,

559
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: but it is like real syrupy goodness in terms of

560
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: all the Christmas topics. Um, yeah, I don't. I don't

561
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: mind it. It's Her Majesty's favorite one, hands down, So yeah,

562
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: I gotta. It's obligatory. But then whenever, whenever we watch it,

563
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: we're like, Yo, these people are sucking trash. We'll talk

564
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: like these are fucked up, dude, this is not good.

565
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: This is all bad, Like he's mistreating the funk out

566
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: of her. It's just like, you know, there's ship like that,

567
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: but one movie, Like you know, you can be real

568
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: about any movie and final the bullshit. But I don't. Yeah,

569
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't feel strongly either. I'm pretty ambivalent

570
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: when it comes to love. Actually, yeah, it does feel

571
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: like the most uh, it feels like a Christmas song

572
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: that it feels like, Yeah, that is a theme like

573
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: in one of the stories Christmas is all around us

574
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: that I've actually never seen it because it has the

575
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: word actually in it. So you feel like I haven't

576
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: seen it and I probably never will because I can't

577
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: bring myself care about anything. Yeah. I mean. The other

578
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: cool thing is like I remember not watching it for

579
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: years and then rewatching. I'm like, yo, all these people

580
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: are in Game with Thrones and being like yo, I

581
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: thought he was just some bullshit that Game with Thrones.

582
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: Now like he did his thing. Alright, guys, thank you,

583
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: thank you all for joining us to talk to talk

584
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: about holiday movies as we approached the holidays. We are

585
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: going to be back every day that isn't Christmas Day

586
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: or New Year's Day, this day, hopping on these mics

587
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: this week and next week to uh to tell you

588
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some year end stuff. We're gonna do

589
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: some holiday stuff. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

590
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: University is coming to Oh quit you guys for that

591
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: long we gotta leave you can't quit been a long

592
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: time award. Shouldn't have left you without a dope? Eat

593
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: step two? Beautiful? What is that from? I can't quit you?

594
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: Brokeback Mountain? All right? I wish I could quit you,

595
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: And then like a thousands bad jokes about the Back

596
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: Mountain precise differencing broke Bac Mountain. Um, alright, favorite movie

597
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: that is? That? Is right? Isn't that how you say this?

598
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: Every time she'll ride to the ends of the earth

599
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: for that good movie. She'll funk up a whole panel

600
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: she's on to just probably common deer it and then

601
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: talk about how good Broke Back Mountain is. It's like

602
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: we're here to talk about the fact of like aesthetic

603
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: like the subsequent genres. It's just like yeah, yeah, but angry.

604
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this story is of

605
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: two men. That's why you have such That's why you

606
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: have such a patience for me and my like could

607
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: gas study and like repeating the same JFK conspiracy theory

608
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: every time, just like I'm like to give it space. Yeah,

609
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: I love That's how I love him. Alright, guys, Merry Christmas.

610
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: Watch watch some trash whoa Merry Christmas. Happy We're again.

611
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: If you like say merry Christmas, you don't have to watch,

612
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: and you can just bid Happy holidays, guys, and we're

613
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: back tomorrow with a whole another holiday at end of

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Speaker 1: year episode We'll call you by