WEBVTT - Montel Williams Interview 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:09.200 Realty real celebrity joined the Breakfast Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.240 Angela Ye, Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.960 special guests in the building. It's Montea Williams, Montell Williams. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.000 First of all, Montell, I had to keep explaining to 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.560 him that you're not Montell Jordan No sixs. What is 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.000 six three? Yes? About fifteen years younger than me. That 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.480 was my joint. This is how we I'm just joking, 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:29.080 but why tell us here? What did you do for 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.560 four twenty Montell? Um, Let's see, And I was in 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.640 meetings half the day, flew across the country and had 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.760 a couple of meetings. You've been a big advocate of marijuana. Absolutely, 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.639 but it's because of your MS though. Absolutely, And I've 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.040 been working out you know, literally a lot of people 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:44.760 don't know this, but I was involved in probably in 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.400 every single state that passed the medical marijuana law since 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:53.360 the year two thousand testified for a right. I currently 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.720 am involved in the state of Missouri, who is in 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.560 the process of passing probably would be one of the 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.600 most comprehensive medical maria want of laws in the country. So, 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.920 I mean, we kind of have to understand. Whatever anybody 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.679 wants to do all you want, I could care less. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.320 From my perspective. This is a medication and it is 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.080 for a lot of people. And what we don't understand 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.240 is that just like you know, there's one medication that's 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.800 sold in this country right now today that it's sold 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.319 in seven eleven so in drug stores. It's not scheduled. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.280 It's most deadly drug on a planet. It's been around 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.200 for one hundred years. Nicotine. No, we still don't we 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.880 still don't know what makes it work. Yet we sell it. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.000 Let children could walk in and buy it, take it home, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.000 and if they take too much of it, they will 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.880 be dead on your living room floor. Before you see aspirin, 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.440 Oh yeah, made from willow bark. I can't take because 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.200 the caffeine and it makes me jittery. Well it's not, yeah, 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.480 but it's made from willow bark. And back at the 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.280 turn of the century, you know, they knew that it 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.560 was an analgesic. They knew a little bit about it. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.880 People used to boil the willow bark in their pots, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.080 so people end up dead on their floors. So now 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.680 you started turning into a pounder. But if you take 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.800 too much aspen, It'll kill you. We don't know exactly 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.720 all of the reasons why I aspen work. We do 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.280 know some of them, but not all of them. It's 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.440 the same thing when it comes to marijuana. Marijuana and 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.040 the plant itself is a plant based medicine. We don't 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.160 know everything that works about it's still tell today, but 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.560 we do know that it's efficacious for certain illnesses. So 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.400 for me, I don't care if they go recreational over 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.919 the country. I'm still going to fight in every state 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.480 to make sure that we produce a cannabis that for 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:32.200 persons who's ill it won't make us more sick. Do 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.360 you grow your own or do you actually go into growers. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:36.960 I have some people who grow for me specifically, have 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.440 some people who do this. Have I have my own 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.800 compassionate care givers licensed in a couple of different states 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.320 that get to do that, and I'm taking care of 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.200 that now. Then you said recreational. What do you think 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.480 about recreational because you know so disenal, you know, like 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.600 you said, what does we'd hurt you? First of all, dude, 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.440 you know I was, I was I'm a child of 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.400 the sixties and the seventies, you know, So I mean 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.480 it broke huh at Bay back when I was when 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.960 I was younger. But then I went twenty five years, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.200 we stopped. I was in the military and smoke it 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.880 at all. And I literally came back to marijuana after 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.720 I left the military, really because I started feeling some 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.480 pains in my legs and some things, and you know, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.560 I just just kind of gravitated back. I got tired 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.600 of taking a lot of the serious medication I was on. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.120 Then I got diagnosed with a MASS and then you know, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.280 when I got diagnosed, I had gone through a bout. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.440 So I suffered from some extreme neuropathic pain in my 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.440 lower strumities, my feet, my shins, my legs. It just 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.720 was a mess. So I was on all kinds of 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.240 prescription medications that took every opiate there is, and I 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.520 took them to the point at sometimes where I felt 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:38.840 like I was going to be shut down my kidneys. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.800 I'll see my doctor. I couldn't continue to do this. 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.880 So I saw a very smart doctor who said, listen 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.640 to me. I know people who have MS and for them, 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.000 cannabis works to start suppressing that pain. Well, there's a 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.360 way you have to do it, and I do it, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.839 and that suppresses me enough, along with some other things 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.600 and techniques that you used to take me off of 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.920 all the other strange you know, uh opia based medications 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.520 and the things that can shut down your kidneys and 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.480 have more side effects. In the law allows I just 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.760 use cannabis. When doctors was here, he actually used us 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.600 an example because he was saying that marijuana does have 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.600 such great medical benefits and he was like, use of 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.880 them from ms and can't even get up someone into 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.400 if if me tell you if I don't, if I 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.440 don't consume cannabis in the evenings before I go to sleep, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.160 it drives my wife crazy because I will kick her 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.480 out of the bed. Have twitches, man, I have these 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.919 night twitches. Let start the twitch, you know, and you 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.640 know and you know I haven't been able to stop 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.120 going after chasing my youth. So I'm working out and training. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.000 I'm pretty strong, so I've lay in the bed. I 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.360 can kick her out of bed while I'm sleeping. My 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.960 legs will twitch that hard or they will lock up 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.000 into a what a call spasm. So like if you 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.000 had a cramp, think about this for a second. Either 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.960 cramp catch crampy, walking boom and get a cramp. Your 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.920 anchor you laid down, sit down, he start scratching out. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.400 I can lay in bed and sleep for forty five 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.880 minutes through a cramp and my leg is locked out 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.320 the point that I buy step up real quick. I 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.520 can snap my knee, I can break my ankle. Get 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.719 up so that I'm telling you the only thing that 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.280 lets me sleep through the evening is cannabis. How many 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.680 dudes listen to this right now, then, dude, I can't. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.880 I can't sleep it out cannabis. You know what I mean? 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.960 And if that's where your mind's at, you got to 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.200 use me as an excuse to do it I think 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.960 you need to do then you know that that's on you. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:29.960 I'm just saying that there are people suffer from cancer, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.080 people suffer from turrets. There are multiple illnesses that we 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.080 now know for a fact. I didn't want to turn 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.640 this into a cannabis show, but let's go there, because 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.840 let's talk about a couple things real quick. One, most 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.560 people listeners do not know that the United States government 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:54.000 owns the pattern on THHC and CBD. We fund research 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.000 on cannabis on a regular basis. Outside of the United States. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.400 The United States from America, let's see, has been distributing 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.279 marijuana for the last thirty eight years. Every single month, 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.279 a canister of marijuana cigarettes go out from the University 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.960 of Mississippi and has done so for thirty eight years. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.320 Started with twenty patients. It's now down to four because 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.840 sixteen of them had passed away. The other four are 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.640 going to continue to get this until they die out. Now, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.760 I got a question for it. This was started under 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.400 the first George Bush and when the program when he 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.599 started it, they were shocked at the number of people 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.840 who applied to get applications, so they shut it down 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.719 at these twenty people. But since they had started giving 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.279 twenty people marijuana, you can't stop now, right, and you 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.320 can't stop the research you've done for thirty eight years. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.279 So how can we have a government that's supposed to 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.400 do no harm say that these four people can live 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:57.680 and a life that's paying free and a life where 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.360 we give them medication. But people like Montell, who served 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.400 twenty two years in the military, you know, boom, I 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.120 throw you the finger right to your face. No, I'm 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.080 not gonna help you. And it's illegal. And if I 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.760 catch you, I'm gonna put you in jail. Are we crazy? 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.520 And we as a society sit back and let this happen. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.920 It's just like you know, I know that that you guys, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.440 we're going to talk about this for just a second, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.320 but you know I'm on this, but I'm on a 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.040 mission right now because but it's like this is a 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:26.680 government and again, you know, look, I put a uniform 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.560 one for twenty two years. So some people may not 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.320 think that was a good idea or about it. It 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.880 doesn't matter. Appreciate it. We appreciate it, all right. I 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.559 feel like right now we have and most of people 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.360 who are listening to your show aren't paying attention to 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.280 the news. We have warships in the Persian Gulf that 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:51.280 are waiting for Iranian ships to approach the shoreline, so 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.600 that if in fact, we believe their weapons on board, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.280 we are going to either board or allow an ally 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:04.800 to board. Things can go from bad to direct damned 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:11.600 nightmare in seconds in this kind of situation, when he 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.640 goes to a nightmare. Okay, let's think about this for 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.200 a second. We know for a fact that our military 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.560 is made up thirty three thirty four percent of its 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:24.960 minorities African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic human We have an 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:30.120 Iranian American who served in our military in Iraq, served 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:35.679 with honor, discharts, leaves and goes home to our ran 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.840 not home, goes back to our ran or goes to 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.760 our ranfas first time. I'm sorry, we get the straight. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.800 Went to our ranfas first time to go see a 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.400 grandmother who was sick, who they thought was dying. It 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.280 was his duty to go back to see him because 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.120 his father was ill, couldn't go do so, it is 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.360 duty to go do it. He applies it to the application, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.760 gets his visa, goes back to our ran, goes Uran. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.480 They tell him yes, year, visa's okay. We get to 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.400 you served in the military. It's okay, come over here 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.160 hits the ground. Three days later, he's arrested, charged with treason, 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.960 sentenced to death for having served in our military in 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:14.120 Iraq and fought against them. They flipped the paradigm. Pressure 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.320 is put on. They take away the death penalty, but 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:23.680 then they convictim of treason or cooperating with the foreign government. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:28.480 He's an American, they commit convict him of cooperating with 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.280 the foreign government put him in jail for ten years. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.199 This showman has been tortured. He has been in prison 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.600 for one thousand, three hundred and thirty three days. I 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.200 want to remind your listeners, we started everything that happened 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.800 in the Middle East when the Iranians took our hostages 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.440 from the embassy and held them for less than what 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.560 it was a year, one hundred and thirty three, three 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.880 and a half years. He's been in prison and oh, girlfriend, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.320 he's been tortured, he's been beaten, he's been locked up. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.000 They acted him to lift them so that they can 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:07.120 put him through the withdrawal process to torture him more. Okay, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.600 so I've been on this free a Mere Now campaign. Now, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.280 why why why won't we do anything? It seems like 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:13.880 that's something that we send the troops and we go 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:19.480 get him. You know, I I I can't question a 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.560 lot of what this president does. I don't think that 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:23.800 that there are a lot of us at the right 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.520 that even even broke a question when you're not informed 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.760 enough for educated enough on the issue to understand why 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.400 he makes the decisions he does. I'm informed on this issue. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.360 You sound like the president, by the way, well like 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:39.679 when you talk your voice. Well, I would think in 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.160 this case with him, he is the commander in chief. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.280 Right now, let's separate two for a second. So you 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:50.000 guys like me, we wear uniforms. There's the president and 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.640 then there's the commander in chief. He has the authority 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.800 to put those ships on the battlefield and the persian golf, 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.480 to put the troops on the ground, and he has 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.240 a special duty to ensure that those guys are protected. 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.840 How many people listening would send their children off to 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.240 fight knowing that if something goes wrong weird, it's gonna say, 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.120 screw you on your own figure it out, get your 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.080 family to figure it out. It's a stupid question. But 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:18.560 I'm sure the president of the way it is right, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.559 he's away of a mirror, he's aware, and you know, unfortunately, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.680 and I think this has been and if I haven't again, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.160 I'm not here to blast the president. I'm just gonna 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.000 say that I think there's always been an optics problem 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.160 with this administration. Now, said you said this president like, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.199 you don't rock with the president? Do you like what 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.360 Brocco has clearly didn't vote for president of brock Obama? 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.720 Oh well, you know what, I will also say again, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.320 because I did what a uniform I have to write 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.959 to vote and not say who I voted for. But 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.520 I'll tell you this last time around, I did vote 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.440 for him. The first time around, I didn't. Okay about 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.720 that the first time around, I didn't. Last time around, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.320 I did. He didn't do a good job. I am 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.200 confused by the optics of the job that he does, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.800 and I'm confused by the methods in which he goes 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.520 about doing them. I think in some of the reasons 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.560 why he gets so much pushback is because he and 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.640 this administration as a method of communicating that may not 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.560 be what anybody and all of us want, but you know, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.880 then we can all want. And so what do you 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.240 think he's more of a celebrity as with people? Oh no, 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.920 oh no, no, no, no, no. I don't believe this 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.640 is a celebrity president at all. I think it's a 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.240 really bad moniker to put on him. Though he may 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.160 have celebrity friends, you know what I mean. And because 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.880 he's the first black president want yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.320 you can put him that way. But but if you 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.560 dig down into the cerebral person that the guys, you 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:39.320 have a president who is is um. Yeah, I don't 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.240 want to say that. If I said the smartest people 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.000 are going to come back and push back, I say 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.840 he's extremely area that the guy knows what he's doing. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:52.360 He's a he's a master of of the legal business. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.280 He knows the legal aspects of it, of what he's doing. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:13:00.520 He also knows that he has his own plan and 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.559 he hasn't been able to articulate that to everyone else. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.760 Give examples, where is he on this Baltimore issue? Where 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.320 is he on a lot of other issues that are 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.680 happening where you don't see him speak out as quickly 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.200 as you might like him to, especially police reform. I'm 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:14.880 going to police reform and other things. You know, he's 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.280 not speaking as quickly as we think. Are the things 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.040 going on to buy on the scenes, behind the scenes 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.880 that we don't know about? Of course there are. Is 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.000 it his responsibility to appease us and give us the 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:31.680 answers when we want them. No, but I'm not gonna 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.400 let him talk you get an answer. Is that why 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.000 you said they have an optic issue? Yes, because I 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.760 think you know there there there are certain gatekeepers. There 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:47.600 are certain certain people who keep the picture they want 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:52.360 presented one way and you don't get him until they 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.600 approved the next picture you're going to get. And I 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.040 would rather get back to seeing the guy who just 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.959 came out, shut the door and said, Okay, look this 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.120 is what's up. And and I'm not saying that he 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:11.960 has to break it down in some you know, uh, 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.480 non articulate way. I don't want to be a straight 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.520 I want the president talk. No, you don't know, because 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.120 people to say, that's what I'm asking him. Dude, come 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.080 down and break it down. You know what I mean. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.720 You can't either. You gotta watch every word you're saying. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:28.920 I feel like that you just said, I feel like 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.240 I'm talking. I feel like a politician because I'm trying 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.440 to make sure that I don't tick people off. We 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.680 were living in a society right now where you can't 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:42.280 even express an opinion without feeling as if you better 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.240 be ready for the shotgun blast coming back from the 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.920 twelve the twelve people who incite twenty people. But I 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.160 think it's via social media because it's hard to express 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.040 yourself over social mediacause it's only one hundred and forty 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.480 character and sometimes people will see you might put a 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.240 train of thought they might see one thought right and 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.160 take it out of context. No, you're absolutely right, You're 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.480 absolutely right. Now you're from Baltimore. From so he talked 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.840 about what it was was going on in Baltimore. How 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.600 do you feel about the police officers and police in Baltimore, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.400 because here it's it's a little crazy at sometimes they 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.480 will pull us over for no apparent reason. You know, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.480 let's let's wow, this is a big one. I've been 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.600 wrestling with us. I'm gonna I'm wrestling with with a 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.080 whole series of thing. We're got a chance to talk 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.680 about some of the stuff that I'm working on. Is 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.160 I'm really working on a lot of different issues that 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.680 I think are earth changing, you know, socially changing issues. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.960 But getting down just in the Baltimore I was not 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.560 gonna finaldi My father was a lifelong politician in the city. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.080 My father was a commission of Transportation, the Commissioner of 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.440 Public Work, the first African American fire chief of a 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.600 major city in the country in Baltimore. Um, I was 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.280 just speaking. He's eighty three years old. He's paying attention, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.160 very close to what's going on. But Baltimore, the incident 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.240 that we're all riled up about today is no different 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.000 than the incident that took place probably you know, six 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:59.000 months ago, four months ago, which incident, and so there's 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.480 a bigger issue that we've not yet gotten to because 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.920 we're still havn't finished digging the line in the sand, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.280 you know, we're still digging the trench so we can 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.440 put people on each side of it. And we haven't 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.320 figured out the fact that until we fill in that 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.720 damn hole, we're never going to solve this problem. What 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.720 is the problem? Think about what I just talk about earlier. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.680 We're talking about the military. We do not allow soldiers 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.520 in the military to serve now more than three tours 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.280 of duty in the battle zone. You got to do 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:31.520 three in a row. You got to get them out 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.120 of the battle zone. We try to do that now 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.320 because we have such a limited and small military, you know, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.160 we're forced to send them back and back and back. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.600 But everybody gets it. You can't keep people in the 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:45.320 battle zone. Think about police departments across America. Think about 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:52.040 institutionalized organizations that have been nepotistic, have been closed societies 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.440 as just for twenty thirty years, okay, and you have 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:01.400 guys who've been there working for twenty thirty years, for 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.879 five six years, constantly in the battle zone. I'm not 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.440 trying to make excuses. Let me get this straight and 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.320 make your excuses for anybody. I just want to kind 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.040 of set a little different conversation. So let's just say 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.399 for a minute that we have a society of United 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:21.320 States built on police departments, that we allow people to 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:29.960 stay in a heightened on edge roll for ten fifteen 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.359 years in a row, constantly in the battle zone in 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.480 their minds. So when they react the way we see 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:44.199 them reacting now after nothing but a battle zone, wouldn't 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:45.760 you think that maybe we ought to start thinking about 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.720 how we give people guns and how long we allow 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.320 them to interact these ways that they do. All the 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.760 police say they're frustrated, they're frustrated with the relationship they'reving 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.760 with the neighborhood. Well you addemic, because if you've been 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.520 walking down the street for the last five years yelling 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.640 at the same guy back and forth, back and forth, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.959 you can see how anybody's level is gonna be up here. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:06.680 You got rookies doing it too. You had the rookie 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:12.160 who kills the guy in if who he travels with 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.359 the first, your first day of work, you come in 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.840 here and instead of this being like one of the 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.080 fly cool places to be in every day people, uh, 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.840 you end up being Fox News. I feel you're saying, 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.600 if you if your partner's biter, you probably be within 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.879 within two cups of coffee? Right, can you not be? 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:38.200 And Okay, so there's there's a couple. I mean there's 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.200 a it's way up here. Let's go thirty thousand feet, 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.679 twenty thousand feet, ten thirty thousand feet. Yeah, we need 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.080 the president and and uh the Justice Department to issue 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.480 some edicts, and some of those edicts should start to 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.360 be in retraining. And I think we should start forcing 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.600 police departments. And the police officers are gonna like this, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.560 but I'm gonna tell you, I think you come off 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:02.000 the off the street walking there. Look, there could be pathways. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.040 You can have a pathway for detectives. I get it. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.040 We need to have people who are criminologists who have 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:07.600 been on the job for years to be able to 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.239 understand patterns of crime. Okay, we got enough of them 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.560 right now, So let's pick who those guys are, the 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.520 new guys that we have out on the beat. Let's 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.639 start saying, look, I'm sorry you're gonna get you know, 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.760 a three month on, one month off, three month on, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.960 one month off, and I'm sorry you're off the street, 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.040 in the car, on the desk. I don't care washing 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.840 them do something other than getting people's faces, because the 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.000 more you're in a person's face, that's all you want 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.919 to do. And let's get something really straight. In the 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:41.240 last two years, this country has also done just this, 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.600 I think says it all. We looked at domestic violence, right, 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:50.399 and we paint the picture of the biggest problem in 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:56.920 America with domestic violence is the NFL. We pick a 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.480 black man and another black man and say, say, prime 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.720 examples America celebrity. That's why. Yeah, but you know what, 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:12.960 sixty percent of the eight hundred thousand domestic violence charges 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:19.359 every year are filed against police officers. Let me say 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:24.520 that again, sixty percent, John, look up the number exactly. 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.440 I'm gonna give you the exact number of the eight 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:35.320 hundred thousand domestic violence charges filed in America are filed 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.920 against police officers. But I can see that, okay, because again, 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:43.679 let's push up that heightened sense. If I'm gonna beat up, 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.000 I'm gonna beat my wife. Don't you think I'm gonna 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:47.960 smack the crap out of you you do something wrong 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:55.000 on the street. Absolutely, m I beat my mother. Oh, 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.040 let's look at some of the charges against police officers 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:03.200 and wait and do not for one second believe that's john, 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:09.639 ladies and times more common in families, two to four 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.439