Speaker 1: To be fair, much like a black man in a dress.
Speaker 1: I think about movie of me raising a white family
Speaker 1: would be hilarious. Your life, you're just thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I love it like baby again.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, that's that's a classic. Sorry half written
Speaker 1: doesn't like chips in your quals? Are racists money turkey stuff?
Speaker 1: I can't tell me.
Speaker 3: Knock if you who buck bitch?
Speaker 1: There it is, there it is.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My
Speaker 2: Mama Told Me.
Speaker 1: The podcast. It dives deep into the pockets of black
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: And we finally work to prove that we only know
Speaker 2: the name Christmas Addicts because of white people's unquenchable thirst
Speaker 2: for black death. That nigga did nothing in the Revolutionary War.
Speaker 4: He didn't contribute one bit, and for some fucking reason,
Speaker 4: they keep putting him in our history books. There's no
Speaker 4: reason for us to know the first man who died
Speaker 4: in a war.
Speaker 3: They don't do that for any other war.
Speaker 2: There's not another fucking war where you know the first
Speaker 2: dude who died. But for some reason, the nigga that
Speaker 2: does in the Revolutionary War, they decide they gotta tell
Speaker 2: every goddamn body. If that's not a conspiracy, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what is? What about World War One?
Speaker 3: World War one? That German chan and slur motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Or Archduke Ferdinand or whatever. Yeah, we barely know him.
Speaker 1: Do you know Christmas addicts better than him?
Speaker 2: You know, Christmas addicts way better. You don't even know
Speaker 2: what the Archduke looks like.
Speaker 1: Not at all. And I've seen so many drunks. He's
Speaker 1: always drawn.
Speaker 2: Yeah they didn't, but they got pictures of Christmas ass
Speaker 2: on the ground, bloody.
Speaker 1: White people pointing like, yeah, he dead. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: They love that Christmas And what the fuck is a Christmas?
Speaker 2: I hate that they do this to us.
Speaker 1: That is a made up fucking name.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, I'm Lanston Kerman and I'm furious.
Speaker 1: I'm David Boy, and I'm equally upset. We have.
Speaker 2: We have a phenomenal guest here today who I hope
Speaker 2: is equally enraged as as the two of us. He
Speaker 2: better come in hot.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 2: We don't play that ship if he's a Christmas Addicts apologizer.
Speaker 1: But he is.
Speaker 2: He's a phenomenal comedian.
Speaker 1: He's hilarious.
Speaker 2: You know him from from all kinds of work, most
Speaker 2: of which were not allowed to promote anymore because of
Speaker 2: dual strikes that are happening. But most importantly, you know
Speaker 2: him from when It's Happening Saturday Night Live. He's a
Speaker 2: cast member on that show. He's hilarious. Please give it
Speaker 2: up for Devin Walker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't know if I was supposed to pop in.
Speaker 6: But also, like Christmas Addicts, he is high schools named
Speaker 6: after him.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's crazy, Like, how do
Speaker 1: you even justify that to like, is there a naming commission?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how you name him
Speaker 1: high school?
Speaker 2: Ain't no Archduke Ferdinand high School?
Speaker 1: It would make more sense because like, why does he
Speaker 1: get a school? What Chrispy Dude? That means that makes
Speaker 1: me feel like I could get a school David by
Speaker 1: David Borrie elementary is high school? Don't do that to me.
Speaker 1: I know you small like we're dreaming and we're dreaming.
Speaker 1: We're dreaming.
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like you could get a
Speaker 5: building in like a performing arts academy.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think I could. I think it makes it sounds
Speaker 1: like the school, Like yeah, I used to play full
Speaker 1: back at Bory. That sounds that does sound good? YEA, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think Kerman is ever gonna have a nice
Speaker 2: to it. Yeah, and I'm a big fan. I like me,
Speaker 2: but but I just don't nobody's gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a hooping at Kerman and that sounds icky.
Speaker 1: Really, I think I could hear it. I hear it too.
Speaker 2: Maybe I gotta maybe I gotta do some self reflection.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's some self matrid inside of this that I gotta.
Speaker 1: It was like a nice sounding name. Damn.
Speaker 6: The high school I went to was called Flugerville High School.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did he die?
Speaker 5: He was like the guy who created the town that
Speaker 5: I grew up in, like the town love. I grew
Speaker 5: up in a town outside of Austin called Fluerville, Texas.
Speaker 2: Fuck, So you just had a local, a local man
Speaker 2: high school.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's that's the
Speaker 1: man founded a town. That's a big thing to do.
Speaker 2: I think that's Nah, you're playing This is grossing me out.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. What did Christmas do? Nothing?
Speaker 3: And that's my point. Just let the man be dead.
Speaker 2: Stop writing about him and telling everybody he got beat up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet his cousins and like brothers and sisters
Speaker 1: hated it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Addicts family is not happy about what's happening here.
Speaker 1: Devin.
Speaker 2: You you you came to us with a conspiracy theory
Speaker 2: that uh oh oh oh.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: We have Christmas Addicts updates. That that is Christmas Addicts
Speaker 2: High School. That's right, only one person barely in frame.
Speaker 2: This is rough the varsity.
Speaker 5: Sports at the at the bottom, it says a storied legacy,
Speaker 5: Our legacy of serving African American students in Indianapolis continues today.
Speaker 1: God damn. So it's basically like just go here and
Speaker 1: you're gonna die.
Speaker 2: That's my other problem with Christmas Attics High School is
Speaker 2: that it never is in service of white children.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: They never you never send your white child to Christmas
Speaker 2: Atticts High School because y'all know that's fucked up. You
Speaker 2: know that's not a brand you want to attach yourself to.
Speaker 1: He was a loser.
Speaker 3: Just let him be a loser.
Speaker 2: He got shot.
Speaker 1: I only want people to talk about it if I
Speaker 1: go out.
Speaker 2: Cool, come on, man and doing no cool neo kicks.
Speaker 1: He just got shot. He probably didn't even have like
Speaker 1: a spin just started. You probably even know it was coming.
Speaker 1: I bet he thought it wasn't gonna happen. They're gonna
Speaker 1: shoot me.
Speaker 2: And then they saw that line of white men in
Speaker 2: blue suits and one nigga and they were like shoot him.
Speaker 3: And nobody and.
Speaker 1: He is so alone. Nobody even went, oh, no Christmas.
Speaker 1: They yeah, you know, they're like, oh, monkey Jim. Now,
Speaker 1: who's gonna dance after something? Who's gonna play the spoons?
Speaker 6: I love so much this podcast on Will Ferrell's network.
Speaker 1: That's okay. I don't think he listens. Impossible, I really
Speaker 1: this quarter along ago, Yeah, I don't think he's checking in.
Speaker 2: I think he'd be a little worried about what was
Speaker 2: happening on.
Speaker 1: This side of town. Well basically saying that in his name.
Speaker 2: At the end of every episode, we say praise Will Ferrell.
Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed by this podcast do reflect
Speaker 1: Will Ferrey almost exclusive. Yeah, where do you think we
Speaker 1: got it? Devin?
Speaker 2: You came to us with a conspiracy theory that has
Speaker 2: zero to do with Christmas addicts, But I will say
Speaker 2: is a conspiracy we've we've touched on in the podcast,
Speaker 2: but I was surprised to find out we had not
Speaker 2: fully unpacked, and so this is an exciting day where
Speaker 2: we get to do a pretty classic, I would say,
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. You said, my mama told me black man
Speaker 2: have to wear a dress in order to succeed him.
Speaker 5: Hollywood, how is my man supposed to schmeet his meet
Speaker 5: with this ship?
Speaker 1: Bro? What the to jump in?
Speaker 2: Whenever you process whatever that was.
Speaker 1: Come from any direction.
Speaker 6: I really wasn't ready for that.
Speaker 5: I thought, I really thought you were gonna pull like
Speaker 5: a quote from Kat Williams, I really.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that would be a traditional round exactly. You hit me.
Speaker 6: You hit me with a spin move. That's what Christmas
Speaker 6: addict should I had but.
Speaker 1: A dunk.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean I feel like I was surprised.
Speaker 5: I was like, That's why I submitted a couple because
Speaker 5: I would have I figured y'all probably would have done
Speaker 5: this one already. But it's definitely a thing that I
Speaker 5: grew up here about, and it's the thing that like
Speaker 5: I was literally I was in Houston this weekend and
Speaker 5: I took a Huber to the airport and the guy
Speaker 5: was like, oh, we brought you to Houston. I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I was doing shows. I do stand up and he
Speaker 5: was just like, they get that dress on you yet,
Speaker 5: don't let them do it.
Speaker 1: Yet.
Speaker 6: Damn he said, he said, he said, it's coming.
Speaker 5: And so like that is the thing that I've always
Speaker 5: especially like my mom told me this when I was young,
Speaker 5: but like, especially like the older I get and the
Speaker 5: more the further I get in comedy, that keep being
Speaker 5: like it's on his way, that dress, the dress coming
Speaker 5: for you dog, you know, And they always they always
Speaker 5: got like a video reference. They always got like Chappelle
Speaker 5: talking about it or like all these guys have like
Speaker 5: real theories on it, and it's.
Speaker 2: And when you say they is the I know you
Speaker 2: said your mom is apparently one of the sources. But
Speaker 2: but is this a mostly family? Is this friends? Is
Speaker 2: this broadened out to your larger Texas community?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: Where is this coming from?
Speaker 6: This is mostly strangers, That's who it's mostly. It's mostly
Speaker 6: people that I've never spoken to before in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah or after?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: And that like one time, the first the first TV
Speaker 5: money I ever got, I went and bought a bunch
Speaker 5: of gold teeth that was like the first thing that
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 2: Good for you, young man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, really with before I before I figured out my
Speaker 5: health insurance, I went to go buy gold teeth from
Speaker 5: from this from this woman named Helen, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: this is this stud woman who makes gold teeth and
Speaker 5: like a were like a warehouse, like a upstairs like
Speaker 5: a warehouse.
Speaker 1: And wait, so she's gay. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She's gay and also warning you of the emasculation of
Speaker 2: the black man.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 6: She was really concerned about it.
Speaker 5: She's a stud though, you're right, which is like its
Speaker 5: own kind of separate Yeah, you know, it's its own
Speaker 5: kind of separate category.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're familiar with a few.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been bullied by a few.
Speaker 6: But yeah, she was really just going in.
Speaker 5: She was really just she was just like you know,
Speaker 5: she she was like, look, I see you doing good,
Speaker 5: but like I know, you probably want to get to
Speaker 5: that top level and you know what they're about to
Speaker 5: make you do.
Speaker 1: Don't let them do it.
Speaker 6: And it's like, I don't with y'all.
Speaker 1: Would y'all ever do it?
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to get here this fast.
Speaker 1: But I was worried. I was worried about this this.
Speaker 2: Morning, Bory, Do you want to start? Do you want
Speaker 2: to answer for yourself first?
Speaker 1: It's so complicated. I'm feeling the same way because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, people got uncles, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, uh. It's hard, right because I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything inherently shameful about dressing up
Speaker 1: like a woman, Like I don't think it's that bad,
Speaker 1: but I do also part of me want part of
Speaker 1: me does worry that it would be this thing of
Speaker 1: like an idea of relinquishing some control. So do I
Speaker 1: think I would do it? Ultimately? I don't think so,
Speaker 1: But I'm also I don't think I would. But I'm
Speaker 1: also like, that's far outside of how my humor. I'm
Speaker 1: not like a I don't even dress I wouldn't me
Speaker 1: wearing a crazy costume is also something I really wouldn't be. It's,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, silly is not really
Speaker 1: my stick anyways, so it would be it would be
Speaker 1: pretty out of character, and like it would also be
Speaker 1: out of character for me to dress up like anything.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Right, You're.
Speaker 2: Not You're not a part of the dress up gang.
Speaker 2: You ain't You ain't doing.
Speaker 1: I look wild physically anyways. You don't even put a
Speaker 1: T shirt on?
Speaker 3: My man, he got me.
Speaker 1: That's funny. I gotta be to be taken I'm you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm trying to be taken to
Speaker 1: like I'm a weird looking guy anyway. So it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to I wouldn't dress up in a
Speaker 1: chicken suit either. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2: I put a chicken suit on. Yeah, funny to me
Speaker 2: dress me like chicken any day of the week. I
Speaker 2: Daddy's in I will say that I feel the same
Speaker 2: struggle inside of this, of both. There's a part of
Speaker 2: me that wants to be able to do it just
Speaker 2: out of like rejection of all the sort of homophobic
Speaker 2: roots inside of this argument.
Speaker 1: I want to be free.
Speaker 2: I don't want to sort of be beholden to a
Speaker 2: bunch of problematic perspectives inside of all of these things
Speaker 2: I do and my heart of heart believe that some
Speaker 2: of the intention of it, though, is coming from a
Speaker 2: malicious place, right that like the the want to see
Speaker 2: black men in dresses, is not coming from a place
Speaker 2: of gender equality and sort of sexual openness. It truly
Speaker 2: is just looking at silly niggas over there in dresses,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: Yes, you.
Speaker 2: And and I don't want that to happen either, and
Speaker 2: so I'm torn and I should admit and I will
Speaker 2: admit that that I want.
Speaker 3: For a live show, for a live show.
Speaker 1: Uh does that make a difference, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: it felt important.
Speaker 2: It felt important to me.
Speaker 1: That's how I'm going to frame it.
Speaker 6: This was not pre recorded.
Speaker 1: Just man, this was.
Speaker 2: Not recorded, and there's no evidence of it except maybe
Speaker 2: one picture. But for a live show, I dressed up
Speaker 2: as Sylvia Plath because we had to like dress up
Speaker 2: as an author and do like funny like made up
Speaker 2: readings of their ship. So I dressed up as Sylvia
Speaker 2: Plath and had a wig and a dress and an
Speaker 2: oven in my hands.
Speaker 1: Hilarious, I was hoping you yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a tiny easy bag oven that I was
Speaker 2: carrying around, because you know, that's how.
Speaker 1: She killed herself. I used to have a joke about that.
Speaker 2: About her blowing or melting her head.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, early days. I feel like you didn't
Speaker 1: answer straight up though, what'd you do it today? Current?
Speaker 2: I think in my current, in my current, today, I
Speaker 2: was my instinct is no because of the so many
Speaker 2: of the associations. But my want is to get to
Speaker 2: a place where yes, I can do it without feeling
Speaker 2: trapped inside of all the bullshit around it.
Speaker 5: I think I land kind of on that side of it,
Speaker 5: right because it's like because it's like I actually don't care.
Speaker 5: I actually I really care about wearing a dress like
Speaker 5: I would honestly.
Speaker 6: It is funny, like.
Speaker 1: You know, have you seen Man.
Speaker 5: Johanna Man and White Chicks came out when I was
Speaker 5: like eleven years old, and it's just.
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, those that ship was huge.
Speaker 5: So it's like I actually don't feel any opposition to it,
Speaker 5: but I just know how much like I know that
Speaker 5: in the event that I were to put on a
Speaker 5: dress somehow, that would end up being.
Speaker 1: A huge hit.
Speaker 6: And then I'd have and then every African uber driver
Speaker 6: that I came across, and now he's looking at me wild.
Speaker 1: You know how I'm feeling, you would look you would
Speaker 1: look funny as a lady, And that's the issue. I know.
Speaker 6: I know I'd be a big ass lady.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I'm a six foot three lady. And then I'm
Speaker 5: doing any stuff I'm wearing a cart.
Speaker 1: That's you know, like our linebacker.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 6: There's already something there to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And it's like, but yeah, I just I got I got,
Speaker 5: I got uncles and cousins and a brother that like,
Speaker 5: it's not even that I really care so much about
Speaker 5: what they think.
Speaker 6: It's just like I don't want to have to keep
Speaker 6: talking to them about it.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, it's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 5: come up so much that I feel like it's gonna
Speaker 5: fuck my life up.
Speaker 2: I just want to keep going to the barber shop
Speaker 2: and you know, things more complicated that I don't even
Speaker 2: I don't I don't even talk at the barbershop. I
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, I ain't one of them
Speaker 2: that be chiming in and riffing and all this ship.
Speaker 2: I keep to myself. I just let them do what
Speaker 2: they're doing. And I want to be able to stay
Speaker 2: quietly an observer inside of this toxic space. I don't
Speaker 2: need to become the subject of the haircuts.
Speaker 1: Because they're already looking at me funny, because like I
Speaker 1: put out this video and the Nuggets one and like,
Speaker 1: what did you do? Did I didn't think it was crazy.
Speaker 1: I was watching it and then I put the video
Speaker 1: out and I guess the way that the noise that
Speaker 1: I made, Uh Like so like I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't also put a dress on?
Speaker 6: What what noise did you make? Video?
Speaker 1: Can you do that? If you buy it? If you
Speaker 1: buy tickets to one of our live shows, I'm playing
Speaker 1: for you the video I gotta. I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was that bad. He but like what you know, because
Speaker 1: when they're telling it, like he's telling it to other
Speaker 1: people in there and he's like, oh you was like like,
Speaker 1: like I mooted and that's not what happened. Hold on, yo,
Speaker 1: let's go. This is longer than I remember, so you know,
Speaker 1: I got a little carry it away. But just to
Speaker 1: say I can't I can't also wear a dress it
Speaker 1: that's so funny.
Speaker 2: That's that's so much homophobia that they were crew that
Speaker 2: on a celebratory day in in in Denver, they were
Speaker 2: like this niggas gay.
Speaker 1: One of the best times in my life. I can't
Speaker 1: be excited.
Speaker 2: You can't just let a real, real reaction come out
Speaker 2: of your body. No, you still got to be a
Speaker 2: man posturing as a man, while you celebrate the happiest
Speaker 2: thing that's ever happened to you.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it was that bad. You guys
Speaker 1: think it was that bad.
Speaker 6: It wasn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't sound crazy to me, But in context of
Speaker 2: barber shop ship, it does like reving up to get
Speaker 2: you your back alone.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, it's about to happen.
Speaker 3: It's about to happen.
Speaker 1: All right, that's not how it happened. That's that's that's always.
Speaker 6: Like, you know, you know what.
Speaker 5: The thing about these those kind of environments too, is
Speaker 5: like you know, we're all like men who live in
Speaker 5: like city, like we don't care, Like I don't care,
Speaker 5: Like it's like you guys can call me gay if
Speaker 5: you want, But then it's like I don't think I care.
Speaker 5: But then as soon as people start saying shit like that,
Speaker 5: like they started doing that at the barbershop, I know
Speaker 5: I would turn on them.
Speaker 6: I mean I ain't really nah, I mean what you mean, Like, I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, I know I would go into that mode and
Speaker 5: and I'd be disappointed in myself because I'm better.
Speaker 2: No, I think we we don't care because we have
Speaker 2: created these sort of liberal bubbles for ourselves. But if
Speaker 2: you've spent any real time outside of these havens of
Speaker 2: sort of like uh of celebration and respect and whatever,
Speaker 2: it turns into a very different energy, Like it feels
Speaker 2: it feels crazy to try to stand up for what's
Speaker 2: right when you're put in circumstances where nobody else believes
Speaker 2: any of that shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it makes your voice sound even higher,
Speaker 1: like actually, like nobody wants that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's rough, So it sounds like Devin
Speaker 2: inside of this. You are not a believer necessarily in
Speaker 2: the grander conspiracy, but you are sort of wary of
Speaker 2: the implications of the conspiracy in your own life, the
Speaker 2: sort of fallout that can come from it.
Speaker 5: That is a much more academic way of putting it
Speaker 5: than I could have, So I appreciate you saying it
Speaker 5: instead of me.
Speaker 2: I guess the best follow up question I have for
Speaker 2: that is, what do we do about this? Is this
Speaker 2: something that you feel like can be changed? Because niggas
Speaker 2: don't really wear dresses anymore, like besides like Instagram sort
Speaker 2: of like the the you know skit motherfuckers, like niggas
Speaker 2: and dresses ain't a thing on TV the way it
Speaker 2: used to be in part because of this constant barrage
Speaker 2: of homophobic uncles being like, don't let this happen to you.
Speaker 2: So like, do you think we can ever change that perspective?
Speaker 1: Uh? I don't.
Speaker 6: I think no, no, no, well.
Speaker 5: No, probably I wanted to be like, yeah, like you know,
Speaker 5: once the's once these old niggas get out the way,
Speaker 5: then like you know, the younger people will like be
Speaker 5: okay with But actually again, I was just I was
Speaker 5: just when I was in Houston.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm from Texas.
Speaker 5: I grew up there, and like I have a chunk
Speaker 5: where I just sort of talk about like some like
Speaker 5: loosely gay ideas, and it turned.
Speaker 6: The room in such a crazy.
Speaker 1: Way voting or something. It turned the room.
Speaker 6: In such a crazy way.
Speaker 5: I was like, I forget I'm from here, and I'd
Speaker 5: be forgetting about homophobia. I'll be forgetting about that is
Speaker 5: like much more the norm.
Speaker 1: Than like, you know a lot of dude that's their
Speaker 1: whole sense of humor.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. So it's like, no, have.
Speaker 2: A sports show that is entirely dedicated to to almost
Speaker 2: talking about sports, but then getting distracted by the gay
Speaker 2: things that the other person said. If you've if you've
Speaker 2: never watched Cameron Sports Show, it literally is then being like, yo,
Speaker 2: he had a great game yesterday. Pause, and then the
Speaker 2: other dude being like, yo, you would be you were
Speaker 2: being crazy killing You can't say the nigga had a
Speaker 2: good game.
Speaker 1: You killing a good game is crazy. And they talk
Speaker 1: about like other things men have said that week. Did
Speaker 1: you see that it was like shack or somebody said something.
Speaker 1: It's like, I didn't know he said that. P fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're fifty for sure, fifty and one of them
Speaker 2: used to be a pastor kind of it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So so to.
Speaker 2: Your point, I don't know that there's healing on the
Speaker 2: other side of this bory. Do you feel differently? Do
Speaker 2: you feel like there's healing to be found somewhere?
Speaker 1: I think it's doable. I think that, Okay. I think
Speaker 1: it's like that's the way everything is pushing right is,
Speaker 1: like those are the boundaries that are getting pushed more
Speaker 1: than everything right now. I think like across the board,
Speaker 1: you know. So I do think that there's redemption for it.
Speaker 1: I also think some people are able to get away
Speaker 1: with it. Remember when bust of Rhymes wore a dress
Speaker 1: and that was cool, like nobody seemed to have any
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because he's a giant Jamaican.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he got away with it, So
Speaker 1: I think there's like space for it.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I feel like the whole late nineties bust
Speaker 2: of Rhymes was dressing like a geisha, and.
Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 1: No is that a fucking thing.
Speaker 5: I feel like Buster Rhymes and Andre three thousand have
Speaker 5: seemed to be immune from the rest of it, like
Speaker 5: they said, shield it off.
Speaker 6: Also, it feels like it's a different thing when a
Speaker 6: comedian does it.
Speaker 1: I feel like more I think, yeah, take issue with.
Speaker 2: I think some of it is is that those are
Speaker 2: genuinely weird motherfuckers, versus what it feels like when a
Speaker 2: comedian does it is a little more of this was
Speaker 2: put on you. This was this was asked of you
Speaker 2: by a power that be, Whereas like young Thug put
Speaker 2: on address because young Thug thought he looked pretty and
Speaker 2: who's gonna tell him otherwise he looked gorgeous and I
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna tell him he didn't either way.
Speaker 1: I also think about this with the comedian aspect. It's
Speaker 1: like that is like an old human trope of a
Speaker 1: man dressed as like. White guys do it too a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, in general, no one's doing it anymore, but
Speaker 1: white comedians used to do it all. Missus Doubtfire was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a.
Speaker 1: Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there there's a there's a few great examples, iconic
Speaker 2: examples of white men doing it. I will say it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel quite as pervasive in the white community as
Speaker 2: it does in the black community. But maybe that's just
Speaker 2: because there are more of them and and there are
Speaker 2: less of us. So it's a numbers game.
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, because because when you when you really
Speaker 6: think about the black men in the dress thing, I
Speaker 6: feel like people really point to like four people, you know,
Speaker 6: it's like not really more of.
Speaker 1: The big black black dressmen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the mount rushmore of Niggason dresses.
Speaker 1: That would get the important ship.
Speaker 6: I mean it's we got we got Martin Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, oh yeah, big Mama's house.
Speaker 6: We got oh we have big Mama's house and on
Speaker 6: and he was what's her name on the show.
Speaker 1: No, what we should go to We should go to
Speaker 1: adbreak before we do this come back.
Speaker 2: So we'll leave a little cliffhanger here for everybody that's listening.
Speaker 2: We have Martin Lawrence as number one on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: But when we come back, we'll be back with more
Speaker 2: Devin Walker more, my mama told me, and we'll get
Speaker 2: the rest the three remaining Mount Rushmore contributors. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: dear listeners, It's Langston Kerman and it's David Bori and
Speaker 2: we are the hosts of a little podcast called My
Speaker 2: Mama Told Me. And more importantly, my Mama told me
Speaker 2: is going on tour. We're eating a bunch of phenomenal cities,
Speaker 2: and we want you to be there. Yes, come out
Speaker 2: and see us. August twenty fourth, Chicago, Illinois, Illinois. I
Speaker 2: don't know how to do it.
Speaker 1: August twenty sixth, New York, New York, and August twenty
Speaker 1: seventh and Pittsburgh, PA.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be telling jokes, We're gonna be playing games,
Speaker 2: we are going to be spreading salacious rumors, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna be accusing some of your favorite black people of
Speaker 2: being a part of the Illuminati. It's all gonna be phenomenal.
Speaker 1: You gotta be there.
Speaker 2: Buy your tickets now. I actually am one point four
Speaker 2: percent my Jerry and African.
Speaker 6: I'm a sister.
Speaker 1: Okay, we are back with Devin Walker, and he was
Speaker 1: about to give us his mouth rushmore of niggas and
Speaker 1: dresses comedic or otherwise, no, just comedic, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like so I feel like we gotta go.
Speaker 6: We gotta go Martin.
Speaker 5: Lawrence because he he was he was in Dragon on
Speaker 5: Martin and he's so many characters.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he did that, then we gotta go, we
Speaker 6: gotta go. Jamie Fox, M.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wanda was funny, was very funny.
Speaker 6: I would argue, it's always funny. That's that's I think
Speaker 6: the problem is.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're right, it's a pretty funny bit.
Speaker 2: And I think I think a bunch of white executives
Speaker 2: at the table also would make that argument.
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey also did it on that show.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, and Jim Carrey ain't did it since,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's sort of the point, right.
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey was then allowed to go, you know, do
Speaker 2: a bunch of other things that did not involve the dress,
Speaker 2: whereas black men are sometimes positioned in a way where
Speaker 2: they have to keep themselves in the dress for the
Speaker 2: rest of their lives.
Speaker 1: What is that? How you feel about? What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? I don't I don't agree with that. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm not saying it's my argument.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that that is the grander argument is like
Speaker 2: you become beholden to sort of like the wants of
Speaker 2: white expectations. And sometimes it's putting on a dress. Again,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's doing a fucked up movie. Sometimes it's just
Speaker 2: a movie where you got a date a white lady
Speaker 2: and you raise a white family, but you black, and
Speaker 2: you don't never acknowledge it. Like I think that's what
Speaker 2: the conspiracy theory is doing. Is to stay rich, you
Speaker 2: keep doing the white man's bidding, and the best way
Speaker 2: of showing you're willing to do his bidding is to
Speaker 2: put on a dress.
Speaker 5: Yeah, ship Like that always makes me think of that.
Speaker 5: I always think about the movie The blind Side. I
Speaker 5: think about that movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, because.
Speaker 6: Like if you ever like the guy who they based
Speaker 6: it off of, like.
Speaker 5: In the in the movie, they make him look like
Speaker 5: he could barely talk.
Speaker 6: They make him look like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just sure, just like a behemoth idiot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they make.
Speaker 6: Him look like you couldn't talk or read or write
Speaker 6: or anything.
Speaker 5: This family like taught him, like they made it seem
Speaker 5: like he grew up in like a hut on the
Speaker 5: side of the streets and they and they like taught
Speaker 5: him how to like use a use a fork.
Speaker 2: Like they they're like, Michael, you got to button the shirt.
Speaker 1: You can't just put it off.
Speaker 6: And I just I feel like the verse of that,
Speaker 6: just a black family adopting a stupid ass white kid,
Speaker 6: would be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything, But I don't have any suntand lotions. That's
Speaker 1: it's deem minute seam right there. That's a lesson for
Speaker 1: both of us. And I take him back to his mom,
Speaker 1: like what's he all right? I don't know the voice.
Speaker 1: That's how they get.
Speaker 2: So, so okay, we we have Martin Lawrence, we have
Speaker 2: a fox.
Speaker 6: YEP, we gotta we gotta go. Wayne's brothers.
Speaker 2: Wow are they holding a single spot? So they are?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're se.
Speaker 6: Marlin or a duo. Their package And the guy who
Speaker 6: did you wanta man doesn't feel like the right, that's not.
Speaker 1: He's done it in other movies. He's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: It kind of breaks the theory because like he didn't
Speaker 6: become like a big star. He didn't become He didn't
Speaker 6: know you know what I'm saying, Like he has some swing.
Speaker 1: I mean I knew his name off the rip, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we didn't all know it.
Speaker 6: I remember that once you said it. Once you said it,
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, ah, yeah, that was his name, because it wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. He wasn't in dragging that movie life. But
Speaker 1: he was very feminine in life. Yeah he was.
Speaker 2: He was queer in life, and part of the reason
Speaker 2: he wasn't in drag was and I think he does
Speaker 2: actually dress up in drag when the Yeah, they they
Speaker 2: have that day where they get to like invite guests
Speaker 2: and sort of have like a sexy time and in
Speaker 2: the nightclub. You're right, and the dream dream in about
Speaker 2: uh the coke what was it, the coco cocoa room
Speaker 2: or room.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he he does wear drag in life. I
Speaker 2: think multiple times.
Speaker 6: I don't know, is there any big one? Is there
Speaker 6: any big one I'm missing? I feel like those are
Speaker 6: the big nineties.
Speaker 1: I think Eddie Murphy feels like a glaring miss. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Listing Eddie Murphy as professor is almost exclus.
Speaker 1: And he was norbit.
Speaker 2: He he also does quite a bit of drag, and
Speaker 2: I think he's sn l. He did a few characters where,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, where he did drag. He's done
Speaker 2: it a lot.
Speaker 1: He ain't he ain't missed no no turns in it.
Speaker 6: And he became and he was a giant, giant star.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, the biggest, i'd say, the best
Speaker 1: to ever do it in a dress. Yeah, I put
Speaker 1: him on one.
Speaker 2: He's a hundred Yeah, yea does And then and we'll
Speaker 2: get into the research in a second. But does fat
Speaker 2: suit Negate the dress?
Speaker 1: I don't think it does. Okay, I kind of think
Speaker 1: it does well. But like when Tyler Perry dresses his media,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what we how do we that?
Speaker 2: Because the nigga ain't funny to me? But I think
Speaker 2: that's why I didn't listen. He made me laugh once I.
Speaker 1: Go, I go soft on Tyler Perry. He's got me
Speaker 1: a couple of times.
Speaker 6: Look, they used to they used to make us watch
Speaker 6: those plays after.
Speaker 1: Church, So like I basically like Church again.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, So like I have I have fond memories
Speaker 5: as as a kid of watching the plays, specifically, thank you,
Speaker 5: I was trying to tell Likeston.
Speaker 1: That if they were that bad.
Speaker 2: Na like they're there, you guys are mistaken. And we
Speaker 2: just rewatched Diary of a Mad Black Woman as for
Speaker 2: the podcast, and neither one of us enjoyed that experience.
Speaker 5: So I feel like you would appreciate Tyler Perry just
Speaker 5: because he's a He's a champion of a light skin man.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Listen as.
Speaker 5: The knights and shining armor. In most of his films,
Speaker 5: it's a wrong and then a beautiful light skin nigga.
Speaker 5: Michael Eally might have been one of them. That could
Speaker 5: be you, bro. You better look. Hey, hey, mister Perry,
Speaker 5: if you listen, les don't mean what he's saying. You
Speaker 5: don't mean what he's saying, Devin.
Speaker 1: Let me be clear. Let me be clear.
Speaker 2: The fact that Tyler Perry is listening facts in his
Speaker 2: film sometimes does not.
Speaker 5: Does not.
Speaker 2: Change my issues with the quality of the films he's made.
Speaker 2: I'll I skin people the heroes in the story. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: we are. Absolutely we are objectively that is trip. But
Speaker 2: does that make Tyler Perry a good filmmaker.
Speaker 1: It does not. It just means that sometimes sometimes the
Speaker 1: man is right.
Speaker 2: Oh, dear listeners, It's Langston Kerman and it's David Borie
Speaker 2: and we are the hosts of a little podcast called
Speaker 2: My Mama Told Me, and more importantly, My Mama Told
Speaker 2: Me is going on tour. We're eating a bunch of
Speaker 2: phenomenal cities, and we want you to be there.
Speaker 1: Yes, come out and see us. August twenty fourth, Chicago, Illinois, Illinois.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it. August twenty sixth,
Speaker 1: New York, New York. And August twenty seventh and Pittsburgh, PA.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be telling jokes, we're gonna be playing games,
Speaker 2: we are going to be spreading salacious rumors, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna be accusing some of your favorite black people of
Speaker 2: being a part of the illuminati. It's all gonna be phenomenal.
Speaker 2: You gotta be there. Buy your tickets now. I did
Speaker 2: a little bit of research on your conspiracy that I'd
Speaker 2: love to unpack with you. The most articulated, i would say,
Speaker 2: most iconic breakdown of this conspiracy theory comes from that
Speaker 2: two thousand and six interview that Dave Chappelle does on
Speaker 2: Oprah where he explains his refusal to wear a dress
Speaker 2: on set of Blue Streak that basically they didn't beat it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird, that's that's what.
Speaker 2: And that's part of his argument inside of this thing
Speaker 2: is that like he showed up one day on set,
Speaker 2: he'd been doing very well on the film, having a
Speaker 2: good time, and then there's a dress in his dressing
Speaker 2: room and he goes, hey, what's this for? And they go, oh, Dave,
Speaker 2: we have this really funny scene we just added. We
Speaker 2: think it'd be hilarious if when Martin's breaking out of
Speaker 2: the jail, he disguises or he hides behind you who
Speaker 2: is dressed as a prostitute in using his words sex worker,
Speaker 2: and basically says like this is the bit, so put
Speaker 2: on the dress. We're gonna shoot that, and Dave goes, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable with that, and then producers get called in,
Speaker 2: then the director gets called in. Dave's being told he's
Speaker 2: difficult and unwilling to play ball for a very funny scene,
Speaker 2: and ultimately he refuses, and then they immediately change the
Speaker 2: script back to a scene where he doesn't have to
Speaker 2: wear a dress, and it all is resolved in ten minutes.
Speaker 2: And so his argument is like, if it only took
Speaker 2: ten minutes. Then y'all already knew a different option for this.
Speaker 2: You just wanted to degrade me and lessen me as
Speaker 2: a black man.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a black man thing or just
Speaker 1: like a not great sense of humor thing within that
Speaker 1: specific because we've all been in a position to get
Speaker 1: like network type notes where you're like, but this is stupid,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like like like, I this
Speaker 1: is a weird side to be on this. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm on their side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've always been on the producer side and the strike.
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Hey, don't do that,
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no. And also you know
Speaker 1: travel begin America. Uh yeah, no, I but I do.
Speaker 1: I do think there is a case for that. There
Speaker 1: the idea that like they're just like not funny, and.
Speaker 2: That that is part of what Dave says in the
Speaker 2: interview is that he goes like the guy goes, this
Speaker 2: is a this is a funny bit. So many great
Speaker 2: comedians have done a bit like this, and he's like, well,
Speaker 2: if they've done it, then attack and we can write
Speaker 2: something better. And they go, you difficult, motherfucker. So it's
Speaker 2: hard to know, and I do air closer to the
Speaker 2: side of being like this is probably just hacky and
Speaker 2: just sort of lazy writing more than it is like
Speaker 2: intentionally trying to take down Dave Chappelle. That's or take
Speaker 2: power from Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 1: That said, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think, if I'm being honest, that I go, Oh, they didn't.
Speaker 2: They would have done that same thing to to whoever
Speaker 2: the white counterpart to Dave Chappelle is on a film
Speaker 2: by surprising him with a dress scene out of nowhere.
Speaker 6: Right, Like, they never put Michael Rappaport in the dress, Yes.
Speaker 2: And and that'd be funny probably, but they're not ever
Speaker 2: gonna try.
Speaker 1: Yeah they got Chris Rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got Chris Rock. And in fact, I'm glad
Speaker 2: you brought that up because I made a list of
Speaker 2: who I know so far based off of various versions
Speaker 2: of Internet slewthing to have participated in wearing dresses. And
Speaker 2: it's worth noting that some of this came from a
Speaker 2: TikTok that I found that breaks down all of this
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, and that TikTok page is also includes videos
Speaker 2: called things like transgenders Versus Real Women and my personal
Speaker 2: favorite Black China sold his soul to the Devil. So
Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty progressive bunch that's managing this account.
Speaker 2: But the list is pretty it's fucking crazy. There's Richard Pryor,
Speaker 2: Flip Wilson, Wesley Snipes, Ving Raims, Chris Tucker, Eddie Murphy,
Speaker 2: Martin Lawrence, miguel A Nunez, Tyler, Perry, Arsenio Hall, all
Speaker 2: of the Wayans Brothers, Kevin Thompson, Kel Mitchell, Nick, Nick Cannon,
Speaker 2: Jamie Fox, Brandon t Jackson, Terry Crews, Kid Cutting, Young
Speaker 2: Thug as slew of other musicians. The list sort of
Speaker 2: goes on from there, but but it is it is
Speaker 2: an impressive list.
Speaker 1: Patris O'Neill, Yeah, yeah, one, god, you.
Speaker 6: Know that would have you know, that would have been funny.
Speaker 1: Goddamn, he would be hilarious address objectively, they'd be so funny.
Speaker 5: And dress a Halloween episode of the Office from two
Speaker 5: thousand and seven where the guys from the warehouse all
Speaker 5: wear dresses.
Speaker 6: That's it's right, it's right, it's right there, it's it's
Speaker 6: already so funny.
Speaker 5: Goddamn, you would have wrapped the ship out of that,
Speaker 5: would have that that might have got I'm the Emmy
Speaker 5: for real.
Speaker 2: That would they would have made him, They would have
Speaker 2: made him serious regular if you put.
Speaker 6: But I look also look that list.
Speaker 5: You can't all those All black men wearing a dress
Speaker 5: are not created equal, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 5: kind of like you was like Chris Rock wearing a
Speaker 5: dress on the Fresh Prints. It's very different than young
Speaker 5: Thug or like Kid Cutty wearing a dress. I will say,
Speaker 5: I'm a big I'm a big Kid Cutty fan. Did
Speaker 5: y'all see where you were the dress?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He looked like ship to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like it was weird, Like it was
Speaker 5: like I disagree with it on a like you you're
Speaker 5: somehow making this thing not cool, Like I get you're,
Speaker 5: like you think it's so cool that you're doing it
Speaker 5: that it kind of makes me not like it.
Speaker 6: That's the one that's the one that I minded the most.
Speaker 1: Weirdly, it bugged me. It was it felt too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted to wear a dress to prove a
Speaker 2: point whatever, but he just didn't good.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I don't think he chose to
Speaker 1: write dress for his body.
Speaker 2: No, he looked bad and it was like that weird
Speaker 2: homage to Kurt Cobain, and like all of it was
Speaker 2: just like you're you're doing too much ship at once, Bro,
Speaker 2: Just just sing your little, your little sad songs.
Speaker 1: I don't need none of this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's that's the biggest problem I've actually had
Speaker 6: with a man in address is Kik cutting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think musicians should even be in this conversation.
Speaker 6: Exactly because I think it's just what about?
Speaker 1: What about?
Speaker 6: What about? Like like Russell Westbrook, Do you think he's
Speaker 6: Do you think he's involved in this conversation or do.
Speaker 1: You think that do you think I think but he
Speaker 1: is hilarious, he's very funny.
Speaker 2: I will say that he is who the barbershop points
Speaker 2: to now in a contemporary sense of this same conspiracy
Speaker 2: theory though, right that like, well, at least for years
Speaker 2: now less so now he's sort of aged out of
Speaker 2: like the shock and awe fashion and it's a little
Speaker 2: more like grounded in his fashion. But when he was
Speaker 2: in the height of his shock and awe fashion, they
Speaker 2: definitely were like that niggas being brainwashed by the powers
Speaker 2: that be whatever, whatever.
Speaker 5: It's all, it's Russell Westbrook and it's low No Sex.
Speaker 5: Old niggas a really hard time with low No Sex.
Speaker 5: They really can't handle him being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think it's because it's never been as blatant,
Speaker 1: is that like in the in the you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like like the Rodeo video is like
Speaker 1: that's like that's like aggressive. I don't think that has
Speaker 1: been a ton of stuff in like main culture that
Speaker 1: people have seen like that from a black man.
Speaker 2: A black man demonstrating like queer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they've been there, but it's never you don't
Speaker 1: you don't see it to that level.
Speaker 5: I don't think, right, Yeah, I guess that's true. He's
Speaker 5: the first like really big pop star.
Speaker 1: That is like a gay black man, right yeah, right right,
Speaker 1: And it's like expressed, you know, you know, like I
Speaker 1: feel like it would be like things you'd hear people say,
Speaker 1: but never like like the imagery like in the video
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah. No, Tevin camp bro Kevin.
Speaker 6: Last year, Kevin Kemble just came out like in like
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had to work through a lot of ship
Speaker 2: before he got comfortable.
Speaker 1: Being Like I think I like men and we knew it.
Speaker 1: Come on, Tevin, you were tricking anybody.
Speaker 2: No, but when when we found out for real, like
Speaker 2: not when he announced it, but when we found out,
Speaker 2: the industry turned on him hard in a way that
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever fully recovered from.
Speaker 1: Damn, really, I didn't. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would say that that at least
Speaker 2: my understanding, And some of this is coming from my mother,
Speaker 2: who who a fully unbiased source, but I I think
Speaker 2: my understanding was that Tevin Campbell sort of like when
Speaker 2: he was a cute kid and even as like a
Speaker 2: cool sexy adult was singing about women, we loved him.
Speaker 2: And then it became sort of a parent that he
Speaker 2: was queer, and the industry stopped fucking with him the
Speaker 2: same way that they used to like with them.
Speaker 1: They like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: It's it's funny because like, by that theory, the industry
Speaker 5: kind of wants you to They want you to like
Speaker 5: seem gay on camera but not be gay in real life.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm about it, right? I mean that's where this
Speaker 1: song comes from, right, is It's like I feel like
Speaker 1: the men who were in dresses, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: what you hear is that they're gay. What they're what
Speaker 1: you're well, they're making them look gay, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think people thought Eddie Murphy was gay. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, and there was there's other of that, there's
Speaker 1: other parts of that, but I hear you.
Speaker 2: Martin Lawrence was never being called gay. Martin Lawrence was
Speaker 2: said to have been a masculated for and brainwashed.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a tough it's tough because, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Some of this does feel like it's obviously propaganda,
Speaker 2: it's obviously manipulative. But I do think some of the
Speaker 2: things that end up being greenlit or celebrated or treated
Speaker 2: with a reverence to your point, Devin, of like, Yo,
Speaker 2: the next time I'm in a car, I worry that
Speaker 2: my most famous thing is going to be this one
Speaker 2: off bit that I did. Is a real fear and
Speaker 2: and frankly is one that that you can't just ignore
Speaker 2: simply because you feel progressive as it relates to queer
Speaker 2: rights and visibility and all.
Speaker 1: Of that shit. I mean, I think, yeah, a hundred percent,
Speaker 1: that's why we all were all pretty progressive. Nobody was
Speaker 1: like hell yeah to dress on me like it's like
Speaker 1: you gotta yeah, you do have to worry about that.
Speaker 2: I read an NPR article about the same issue, and
Speaker 2: this was I think more of like a I guess,
Speaker 2: like an opinion piece, I dare say, But the author
Speaker 2: sort of references the black men in the Dress to
Speaker 2: a Carter G. Woodson book, The Miseducation of the Negro,
Speaker 2: And in the book, Woodson argues that when someone is
Speaker 2: repeatedly sent to the back door so often that they
Speaker 2: eventually don't even know need to be told to go
Speaker 2: to the front door or to the back door, that
Speaker 2: they will just naturally go to the back door because
Speaker 2: that is the place that they've been assigned. And he
Speaker 2: goes on to say that they are become so conditioned
Speaker 2: inside of this that when it comes to literally the
Speaker 2: back door, if you showed up to that same back
Speaker 2: door and the back door did not exist, you would
Speaker 2: try to cut a hole into the space where the
Speaker 2: back door did exist, rather than walking through the front.
Speaker 2: And he basically suggests that this is the type of
Speaker 2: brainwashing that comes from the types of people who choose
Speaker 2: the dress for themselves in comedy, that like an Eddie
Speaker 2: Murphy who made a movie where he wanted to wear
Speaker 2: the dress, is sort of conditioned as a sort of
Speaker 2: like sub inside of the white hierarchy.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. I don't I understand the point
Speaker 1: that that's being made. I don't think I necessarily agree
Speaker 1: with that, because I think a lot of it. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of this also boils down to what
Speaker 1: how humor works and how people work with the humor
Speaker 1: that like vulnerability or being the other, whatever is humorous.
Speaker 1: That's like the state of comedy. Like I think there's
Speaker 1: a reason that that it's not like just a black
Speaker 1: like I said before, a lot a lot of people,
Speaker 1: a lot of humor is based as men dressing up
Speaker 1: what like women and vice versa. British people love that shit.
Speaker 1: They love that shit, love it. They just bec consilling.
Speaker 1: Look a bloke in a jumper. I don't know how dump.
Speaker 1: But the point is, like, I'll give a shit about
Speaker 1: you guys, but the but the point to me is
Speaker 1: that like I understand what they're saying, but that we
Speaker 1: do need to allow some space for the idea of this.
Speaker 1: Sh It's just funny, man, you know. It's like it
Speaker 1: is funny and it's funny to be vulnerable. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's where a lot of that comes from.
Speaker 1: Like if this is if it was just black men,
Speaker 1: I would have a bigger issue. But it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a tenet of humor. Dress it up like something
Speaker 1: you're not always it's.
Speaker 2: Funny and it also I think if if we could
Speaker 2: untether this from all of the homophobia and all of
Speaker 2: these sort of like mal intentioned perspectives that are connected
Speaker 2: to this that have nothing to do with you, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like like at the root of it,
Speaker 2: address is not necessarily emasculation. Address is address, and you
Speaker 2: can be masculine inside of address. But our own homophobia,
Speaker 2: in years of conditioning, make us see it as a
Speaker 2: version of emasculation. And that's what makes us complicated. It's
Speaker 2: not it's not the dress itself that makes us weaker.
Speaker 2: It is our own sense of self that makes us weaker.
Speaker 2: And address just is our articulation of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 5: That whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm on the But you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: But would you say that you're not at all? No, Look,
Speaker 1: I'm a dog. He's as black as can be, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We all have the things that
Speaker 1: were good at on this podcast. We all contribute here.
Speaker 1: And my mama told me.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like we've all sort of landed this plane.
Speaker 2: We don't think that it's necessarily a legit conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: We're not We're not firm believers that this is some
Speaker 2: deep Hollywood agenda to like transform the black man into
Speaker 2: an emasculated version of himself. That said, we ain't rushing
Speaker 2: to be at the front of the line when it
Speaker 2: comes to participating in the bit.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, I think there's also space for
Speaker 1: there to be times that it is that, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there is fully possible.
Speaker 2: I think both the both the weaponizing and the humor
Speaker 2: of it being funny and also dangerous on the other side.
Speaker 5: Right, I think that when we're allowed to write again,
Speaker 5: the three of us should all work on a remake,
Speaker 5: a reboot of BAPS.
Speaker 1: I think we should.
Speaker 5: I think that I think it should three and we
Speaker 5: should bring it to Universal Pictures. Let's let's get that
Speaker 5: off the ground. We're allowed to love it.
Speaker 1: So that also that white baby thing, come on me,
Speaker 1: Kiky Palmer, white baby one of those Dickey Channel freaks.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, see you changed the story a
Speaker 2: little bit because it was you with a white family.
Speaker 1: But now it's you and Palmer raised a white baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're pretty good. I think I could go either way.
Speaker 1: This is this is writers. You, we're pitching, we're pitching.
Speaker 6: And Timothy shallow Man just as yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then my caps is the grandpa.
Speaker 6: Right there.
Speaker 2: Come on, you're just teaching teaching Timothy shallow May to
Speaker 2: use a washcloth.
Speaker 1: And you can't out back smoking black and Miles. I
Speaker 1: make him smoke the whole pack.
Speaker 2: He gets real sick that smoking back of cigarettes.
Speaker 6: He's smoking with wood wood tip blacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. By then he looks like et when he was
Speaker 1: away from home for too long. It's like, bro, we
Speaker 1: gotta get him out of here. This ain't This ain't
Speaker 1: a good house for him. Yeah, they're gonna call CPS.
Speaker 1: This is childhood, Devin. This was this is great.
Speaker 2: I think we did it because you tell the people
Speaker 2: where they can find you and and what cool shit
Speaker 2: you have going on.
Speaker 6: I'm on tour right now, so just find me. Find
Speaker 6: me online from my Instagram or Twitter whatever you can
Speaker 6: find on my tour info.
Speaker 5: I don't know when this is gonna be out, but
Speaker 5: I'm touring for like the next month, so come see
Speaker 5: a show.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and poor you want to tell the people
Speaker 2: where they can find you.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm well. First of all, you can catch
Speaker 1: us on tour, because this comes out next week, you
Speaker 1: can catch us. We still got two more weeks on tour.
Speaker 1: You can come out and catch us. That'll be in Texas,
Speaker 1: Houston and Austin, and then the weekend after that New
Speaker 1: York and Pittsburgh and Chicago and Chicago and Chicago, and
Speaker 1: then I go on my own tour. Bring David aplate
Speaker 1: dot com. Just added a few dates Columbus, Cincinnati, some
Speaker 1: other stuff and that's my solo tour. Cool guy jokes
Speaker 1: eighty seven on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and as always, you can follow me at
Speaker 2: Langston Herman and come to that goddamn my mama told
Speaker 2: me live tour. We we are very excited to see
Speaker 2: you in person. And more importantly, if you want to
Speaker 2: send us drops, if you want to send us your
Speaker 2: own conspiracies, if you want to send us pictures of
Speaker 2: white men in dresses who have benefited from from Hollywood's agenda,
Speaker 2: then send it all to my mama pod at gmail
Speaker 2: dot com. We would love to hear from you. That's
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: By bitch.
Speaker 6: Chips in your.
Speaker 5: Qualms race, the holds the player of ows and money,
Speaker 5: achs and turkey stuff.
Speaker 1: I can't tell me that