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Speaker 2: I love it like baby again.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, that's that's a classic. Sorry half written

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Speaker 1: I can't tell me.

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Speaker 3: Knock if you who buck bitch?

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Speaker 1: There it is, there it is.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My

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Speaker 2: Mama Told Me.

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Speaker 1: The podcast. It dives deep into the pockets of black

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: And we finally work to prove that we only know

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Speaker 2: the name Christmas Addicts because of white people's unquenchable thirst

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Speaker 2: for black death. That nigga did nothing in the Revolutionary War.

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Speaker 4: He didn't contribute one bit, and for some fucking reason,

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Speaker 4: they keep putting him in our history books. There's no

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Speaker 3: They don't do that for any other war.

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Speaker 2: There's not another fucking war where you know the first

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Speaker 2: dude who died. But for some reason, the nigga that

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Speaker 2: does in the Revolutionary War, they decide they gotta tell

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Speaker 2: every goddamn body. If that's not a conspiracy, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what is? What about World War One?

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Speaker 3: World War one? That German chan and slur motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: Or Archduke Ferdinand or whatever. Yeah, we barely know him.

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Speaker 1: Do you know Christmas addicts better than him?

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Speaker 2: You know, Christmas addicts way better. You don't even know

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Speaker 1: Not at all. And I've seen so many drunks. He's

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Speaker 2: Yeah they didn't, but they got pictures of Christmas ass

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Speaker 1: White people pointing like, yeah, he dead. Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: They love that Christmas And what the fuck is a Christmas?

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Speaker 2: I hate that they do this to us.

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Speaker 1: That is a made up fucking name.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, I'm Lanston Kerman and I'm furious.

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Speaker 1: I'm David Boy, and I'm equally upset. We have.

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Speaker 2: We have a phenomenal guest here today who I hope

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Speaker 1: We don't.

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Speaker 2: We don't play that ship if he's a Christmas Addicts apologizer.

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Speaker 1: But he is.

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Speaker 2: He's a phenomenal comedian.

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Speaker 1: He's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: You know him from from all kinds of work, most

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Speaker 2: up for Devin Walker.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't know if I was supposed to pop in.

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Speaker 6: But also, like Christmas Addicts, he is high schools named

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's crazy, Like, how do

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Speaker 1: you even justify that to like, is there a naming commission?

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Speaker 2: Ain't no Archduke Ferdinand high School?

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Speaker 1: It would make more sense because like, why does he

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Speaker 1: David Borrie elementary is high school? Don't do that to me.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I think I could. I think it makes it sounds

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Speaker 1: back at Bory. That sounds that does sound good? YEA, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't think Kerman is ever gonna have a nice

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Speaker 1: Really, I think I could hear it. I hear it too.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I gotta maybe I gotta do some self reflection.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's some self matrid inside of this that I gotta.

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Speaker 1: It was like a nice sounding name. Damn.

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Speaker 6: The high school I went to was called Flugerville High School.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did he die?

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Speaker 5: He was like the guy who created the town that

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Speaker 2: Fuck, So you just had a local, a local man

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's that's the

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. What did Christmas do? Nothing?

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Speaker 3: And that's my point. Just let the man be dead.

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Speaker 2: Stop writing about him and telling everybody he got beat up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet his cousins and like brothers and sisters

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Speaker 1: Devin.

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Speaker 2: You you you came to us with a conspiracy theory

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Speaker 2: We have Christmas Addicts updates. That that is Christmas Addicts

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Speaker 2: High School. That's right, only one person barely in frame.

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Speaker 5: Our legacy of serving African American students in Indianapolis continues today.

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Speaker 1: God damn. So it's basically like just go here and

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Speaker 2: That's my other problem with Christmas Attics High School is

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Speaker 2: They never you never send your white child to Christmas

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Speaker 1: He was a loser.

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Speaker 3: Just let him be a loser.

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Speaker 2: He got shot.

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Speaker 1: He just got shot. He probably didn't even have like

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Speaker 2: And then they saw that line of white men in

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Speaker 6: I love so much this podcast on Will Ferrell's network.

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Speaker 1: That's okay. I don't think he listens. Impossible, I really

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Speaker 1: Will Ferrey almost exclusive. Yeah, where do you think we

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Speaker 1: got it? Devin?

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Speaker 2: You came to us with a conspiracy theory that has

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. You said, my mama told me black man

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Speaker 5: Hollywood, how is my man supposed to schmeet his meet

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Speaker 5: with this ship?

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Speaker 1: Bro? What the to jump in?

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Speaker 2: Whenever you process whatever that was.

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Speaker 1: Come from any direction.

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Speaker 6: I really wasn't ready for that.

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Speaker 5: I thought, I really thought you were gonna pull like

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that would be a traditional round exactly. You hit me.

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Speaker 6: You hit me with a spin move. That's what Christmas

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean I feel like I was surprised.

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Speaker 6: Damn he said, he said, he said, it's coming.

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Speaker 6: This is mostly strangers, That's who it's mostly. It's mostly

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Speaker 2: She's gay and also warning you of the emasculation of

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Speaker 6: And then I'd have and then every African uber driver

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Speaker 1: You know how I'm feeling, you would look you would

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Speaker 6: It's just like I don't want to have to keep

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Speaker 2: I just want to keep going to the barber shop

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Speaker 1: Because they're already looking at me funny, because like I

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Speaker 2: That's that's so much homophobia that they were crew that

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Speaker 6: I mean I ain't really nah, I mean what you mean, Like, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Like, I know I would go into that mode and

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Speaker 2: No, I think we we don't care because we have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it makes your voice sound even higher,

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Speaker 1: like actually, like nobody wants that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's rough, So it sounds like Devin

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Speaker 5: That is a much more academic way of putting it

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Speaker 2: So like, do you think we can ever change that perspective?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I don't.

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Speaker 5: No, probably I wanted to be like, yeah, like you know,

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm from Texas.

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Speaker 6: The room in such a crazy.

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Speaker 6: In such a crazy way.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. So it's like, no, have.

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Speaker 2: talking about sports, but then getting distracted by the gay

447
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: things that the other person said. If you've if you've

448
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: never watched Cameron Sports Show, it literally is then being like, yo,

449
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: he had a great game yesterday. Pause, and then the

450
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: other dude being like, yo, you would be you were

451
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: being crazy killing You can't say the nigga had a

452
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Speaker 2: good game.

453
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Speaker 1: You killing a good game is crazy. And they talk

454
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Speaker 1: about like other things men have said that week. Did

455
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Speaker 1: you see that it was like shack or somebody said something.

456
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Speaker 1: It's like, I didn't know he said that. P fifty.

457
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're fifty for sure, fifty and one of them

458
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: used to be a pastor kind of it's crazy.

459
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: So so to.

460
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Speaker 2: Your point, I don't know that there's healing on the

461
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: other side of this bory. Do you feel differently? Do

462
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: you feel like there's healing to be found somewhere?

463
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Speaker 1: I think it's doable. I think that, Okay. I think

464
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: it's like that's the way everything is pushing right is,

465
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: like those are the boundaries that are getting pushed more

466
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: than everything right now. I think like across the board,

467
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: you know. So I do think that there's redemption for it.

468
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: I also think some people are able to get away

469
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Speaker 1: with it. Remember when bust of Rhymes wore a dress

470
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: and that was cool, like nobody seemed to have any

471
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because he's a giant Jamaican.

472
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how he got away with it, So

473
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: I think there's like space for it.

474
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I feel like the whole late nineties bust

475
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: of Rhymes was dressing like a geisha, and.

476
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Speaker 6: That's true.

477
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: No is that a fucking thing.

478
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Speaker 5: I feel like Buster Rhymes and Andre three thousand have

479
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 5: seemed to be immune from the rest of it, like

480
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: they said, shield it off.

481
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 6: Also, it feels like it's a different thing when a

482
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 6: comedian does it.

483
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Speaker 1: I feel like more I think, yeah, take issue with.

484
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Speaker 2: I think some of it is is that those are

485
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: genuinely weird motherfuckers, versus what it feels like when a

486
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: comedian does it is a little more of this was

487
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: put on you. This was this was asked of you

488
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: by a power that be, Whereas like young Thug put

489
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: on address because young Thug thought he looked pretty and

490
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: who's gonna tell him otherwise he looked gorgeous and I

491
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna tell him he didn't either way.

492
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Speaker 1: I also think about this with the comedian aspect. It's

493
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Speaker 1: like that is like an old human trope of a

494
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: man dressed as like. White guys do it too a lot.

495
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, in general, no one's doing it anymore, but

496
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: white comedians used to do it all. Missus Doubtfire was

497
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies.

498
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a.

499
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Show.

500
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there there's a there's a few great examples, iconic

501
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: examples of white men doing it. I will say it

502
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: doesn't feel quite as pervasive in the white community as

503
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: it does in the black community. But maybe that's just

504
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 2: because there are more of them and and there are

505
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: less of us. So it's a numbers game.

506
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Speaker 6: I mean yeah, because because when you when you really

507
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 6: think about the black men in the dress thing, I

508
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 6: feel like people really point to like four people, you know,

509
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 6: it's like not really more of.

510
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: The big black black dressmen.

511
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the mount rushmore of Niggason dresses.

512
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: That would get the important ship.

513
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 6: I mean it's we got we got Martin Lawrence.

514
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: Uh huh, oh yeah, big Mama's house.

515
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 6: We got oh we have big Mama's house and on

516
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 6: and he was what's her name on the show.

517
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: No, what we should go to We should go to

518
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Speaker 1: adbreak before we do this come back.

519
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 2: So we'll leave a little cliffhanger here for everybody that's listening.

520
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: We have Martin Lawrence as number one on the Mount Rushmore.

521
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: But when we come back, we'll be back with more

522
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: Devin Walker more, my mama told me, and we'll get

523
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: the rest the three remaining Mount Rushmore contributors. Okay, yeah,

524
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Speaker 2: dear listeners, It's Langston Kerman and it's David Bori and

525
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: we are the hosts of a little podcast called My

526
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: Mama Told Me. And more importantly, my Mama told me

527
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Speaker 2: is going on tour. We're eating a bunch of phenomenal cities,

528
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Speaker 2: and we want you to be there. Yes, come out

529
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Speaker 2: and see us. August twenty fourth, Chicago, Illinois, Illinois. I

530
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Speaker 2: don't know how to do it.

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Speaker 1: August twenty sixth, New York, New York, and August twenty

532
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Speaker 1: seventh and Pittsburgh, PA.

533
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna be telling jokes, We're gonna be playing games,

534
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: we are going to be spreading salacious rumors, and we're

535
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: gonna be accusing some of your favorite black people of

536
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: being a part of the Illuminati. It's all gonna be phenomenal.

537
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Speaker 1: You gotta be there.

538
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Speaker 2: Buy your tickets now. I actually am one point four

539
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Speaker 2: percent my Jerry and African.

540
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Speaker 6: I'm a sister.

541
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Speaker 1: Okay, we are back with Devin Walker, and he was

542
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Speaker 1: about to give us his mouth rushmore of niggas and

543
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: dresses comedic or otherwise, no, just comedic, right, yeah.

544
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like so I feel like we gotta go.

545
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 6: We gotta go Martin.

546
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 5: Lawrence because he he was he was in Dragon on

547
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 5: Martin and he's so many characters.

548
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he did that, then we gotta go, we

549
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 6: gotta go. Jamie Fox, M.

550
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wanda was funny, was very funny.

551
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Speaker 6: I would argue, it's always funny. That's that's I think

552
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 6: the problem is.

553
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Speaker 1: I think I think you're right, it's a pretty funny bit.

554
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: And I think I think a bunch of white executives

555
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: at the table also would make that argument.

556
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey also did it on that show.

557
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Speaker 2: I don't remember that, and Jim Carrey ain't did it since,

558
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: and I think that that's sort of the point, right.

559
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey was then allowed to go, you know, do

560
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of other things that did not involve the dress,

561
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: whereas black men are sometimes positioned in a way where

562
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Speaker 2: they have to keep themselves in the dress for the

563
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Speaker 2: rest of their lives.

564
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Speaker 1: What is that? How you feel about? What are you

565
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: talking about? I don't I don't agree with that. I'm

566
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Speaker 1: not saying I'm not saying it's my argument.

567
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying that that is the grander argument is like

568
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: you become beholden to sort of like the wants of

569
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Speaker 2: white expectations. And sometimes it's putting on a dress. Again,

570
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: sometimes it's doing a fucked up movie. Sometimes it's just

571
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: a movie where you got a date a white lady

572
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Speaker 2: and you raise a white family, but you black, and

573
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: you don't never acknowledge it. Like I think that's what

574
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: the conspiracy theory is doing. Is to stay rich, you

575
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: keep doing the white man's bidding, and the best way

576
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: of showing you're willing to do his bidding is to

577
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: put on a dress.

578
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Speaker 5: Yeah, ship Like that always makes me think of that.

579
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Speaker 5: I always think about the movie The blind Side. I

580
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: think about that movie.

581
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, because.

582
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Speaker 6: Like if you ever like the guy who they based

583
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 6: it off of, like.

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Speaker 5: In the in the movie, they make him look like

585
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 5: he could barely talk.

586
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 6: They make him look like.

587
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just sure, just like a behemoth idiot. Yeah,

588
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: they make.

589
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Speaker 6: Him look like you couldn't talk or read or write

590
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Speaker 6: or anything.

591
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: This family like taught him, like they made it seem

592
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 5: like he grew up in like a hut on the

593
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Speaker 5: side of the streets and they and they like taught

594
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Speaker 5: him how to like use a use a fork.

595
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Speaker 2: Like they they're like, Michael, you got to button the shirt.

596
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: You can't just put it off.

597
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Speaker 6: And I just I feel like the verse of that,

598
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 6: just a black family adopting a stupid ass white kid,

599
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 6: would be.

600
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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything, But I don't have any suntand lotions. That's

601
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: it's deem minute seam right there. That's a lesson for

602
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: both of us. And I take him back to his mom,

603
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: like what's he all right? I don't know the voice.

604
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: That's how they get.

605
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: So, so okay, we we have Martin Lawrence, we have

606
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Speaker 2: a fox.

607
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Speaker 6: YEP, we gotta we gotta go. Wayne's brothers.

608
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: Wow are they holding a single spot? So they are?

609
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're se.

610
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Speaker 6: Marlin or a duo. Their package And the guy who

611
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 6: did you wanta man doesn't feel like the right, that's not.

612
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Speaker 1: He's done it in other movies. He's yeah, yeah.

613
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 6: It kind of breaks the theory because like he didn't

614
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 6: become like a big star. He didn't become He didn't

615
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 6: know you know what I'm saying, Like he has some swing.

616
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Speaker 1: I mean I knew his name off the rip, Yeah,

617
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: but we didn't all know it.

618
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Speaker 6: I remember that once you said it. Once you said it,

619
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Speaker 6: I was.

620
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Speaker 1: Like, ah, yeah, that was his name, because it wasn't.

621
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Speaker 1: He wasn't. He wasn't in dragging that movie life. But

622
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: he was very feminine in life. Yeah he was.

623
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Speaker 2: He was queer in life, and part of the reason

624
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: he wasn't in drag was and I think he does

625
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: actually dress up in drag when the Yeah, they they

626
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: have that day where they get to like invite guests

627
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: and sort of have like a sexy time and in

628
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: the nightclub. You're right, and the dream dream in about

629
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: uh the coke what was it, the coco cocoa room

630
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Speaker 2: or room.

631
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Speaker 1: That's right.

632
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he he does wear drag in life. I

633
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: think multiple times.

634
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Speaker 6: I don't know, is there any big one? Is there

635
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 6: any big one I'm missing? I feel like those are

636
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 6: the big nineties.

637
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Speaker 1: I think Eddie Murphy feels like a glaring miss. Oh yeah.

638
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: Listing Eddie Murphy as professor is almost exclus.

639
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: And he was norbit.

640
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Speaker 2: He he also does quite a bit of drag, and

641
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: I think he's sn l. He did a few characters where,

642
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, where he did drag. He's done

643
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: it a lot.

644
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Speaker 1: He ain't he ain't missed no no turns in it.

645
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Speaker 6: And he became and he was a giant, giant star.

646
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, the biggest, i'd say, the best

647
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Speaker 1: to ever do it in a dress. Yeah, I put

648
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Speaker 1: him on one.

649
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: He's a hundred Yeah, yea does And then and we'll

650
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: get into the research in a second. But does fat

651
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: suit Negate the dress?

652
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it does. Okay, I kind of think

653
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: it does well. But like when Tyler Perry dresses his media,

654
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what we how do we that?

655
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: Because the nigga ain't funny to me? But I think

656
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: that's why I didn't listen. He made me laugh once I.

657
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Speaker 1: Go, I go soft on Tyler Perry. He's got me

658
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Speaker 1: a couple of times.

659
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 6: Look, they used to they used to make us watch

660
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Speaker 6: those plays after.

661
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: Church, So like I basically like Church again.

662
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, So like I have I have fond memories

663
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 5: as as a kid of watching the plays, specifically, thank you,

664
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Speaker 5: I was trying to tell Likeston.

665
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Speaker 1: That if they were that bad.

666
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: Na like they're there, you guys are mistaken. And we

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Speaker 2: just rewatched Diary of a Mad Black Woman as for

668
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: the podcast, and neither one of us enjoyed that experience.

669
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Speaker 5: So I feel like you would appreciate Tyler Perry just

670
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: because he's a He's a champion of a light skin man.

671
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Listen as.

672
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: The knights and shining armor. In most of his films,

673
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 5: it's a wrong and then a beautiful light skin nigga.

674
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Speaker 5: Michael Eally might have been one of them. That could

675
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Speaker 5: be you, bro. You better look. Hey, hey, mister Perry,

676
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 5: if you listen, les don't mean what he's saying. You

677
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: don't mean what he's saying, Devin.

678
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: Let me be clear. Let me be clear.

679
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: The fact that Tyler Perry is listening facts in his

680
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: film sometimes does not.

681
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 5: Does not.

682
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: Change my issues with the quality of the films he's made.

683
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: I'll I skin people the heroes in the story. Absolutely,

684
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: we are. Absolutely we are objectively that is trip. But

685
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: does that make Tyler Perry a good filmmaker.

686
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: It does not. It just means that sometimes sometimes the

687
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: man is right.

688
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh, dear listeners, It's Langston Kerman and it's David Borie

689
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: and we are the hosts of a little podcast called

690
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: My Mama Told Me, and more importantly, My Mama Told

691
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Me is going on tour. We're eating a bunch of

692
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: phenomenal cities, and we want you to be there.

693
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Speaker 1: Yes, come out and see us. August twenty fourth, Chicago, Illinois, Illinois.

694
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Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it. August twenty sixth,

695
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: New York, New York. And August twenty seventh and Pittsburgh, PA.

696
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna be telling jokes, we're gonna be playing games,

697
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: we are going to be spreading salacious rumors, and we're

698
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: gonna be accusing some of your favorite black people of

699
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: being a part of the illuminati. It's all gonna be phenomenal.

700
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: You gotta be there. Buy your tickets now. I did

701
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of research on your conspiracy that I'd

702
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: love to unpack with you. The most articulated, i would say,

703
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: most iconic breakdown of this conspiracy theory comes from that

704
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: two thousand and six interview that Dave Chappelle does on

705
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: Oprah where he explains his refusal to wear a dress

706
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: on set of Blue Streak that basically they didn't beat it.

707
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird, that's that's what.

708
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: And that's part of his argument inside of this thing

709
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 2: is that like he showed up one day on set,

710
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: he'd been doing very well on the film, having a

711
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: good time, and then there's a dress in his dressing

712
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: room and he goes, hey, what's this for? And they go, oh, Dave,

713
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: we have this really funny scene we just added. We

714
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: think it'd be hilarious if when Martin's breaking out of

715
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: the jail, he disguises or he hides behind you who

716
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: is dressed as a prostitute in using his words sex worker,

717
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: and basically says like this is the bit, so put

718
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: on the dress. We're gonna shoot that, and Dave goes, no,

719
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable with that, and then producers get called in,

720
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: then the director gets called in. Dave's being told he's

721
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: difficult and unwilling to play ball for a very funny scene,

722
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: and ultimately he refuses, and then they immediately change the

723
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: script back to a scene where he doesn't have to

724
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: wear a dress, and it all is resolved in ten minutes.

725
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: And so his argument is like, if it only took

726
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: ten minutes. Then y'all already knew a different option for this.

727
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: You just wanted to degrade me and lessen me as

728
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: a black man.

729
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a black man thing or just

730
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: like a not great sense of humor thing within that

731
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Speaker 1: specific because we've all been in a position to get

732
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: like network type notes where you're like, but this is stupid,

733
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like like like, I this

734
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: is a weird side to be on this. I guess

735
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm on their side.

736
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've always been on the producer side and the strike.

737
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Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Hey, don't do that,

738
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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no. And also you know

739
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Speaker 1: travel begin America. Uh yeah, no, I but I do.

740
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Speaker 1: I do think there is a case for that. There

741
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: the idea that like they're just like not funny, and.

742
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: That that is part of what Dave says in the

743
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: interview is that he goes like the guy goes, this

744
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: is a this is a funny bit. So many great

745
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: comedians have done a bit like this, and he's like, well,

746
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: if they've done it, then attack and we can write

747
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 2: something better. And they go, you difficult, motherfucker. So it's

748
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: hard to know, and I do air closer to the

749
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: side of being like this is probably just hacky and

750
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: just sort of lazy writing more than it is like

751
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: intentionally trying to take down Dave Chappelle. That's or take

752
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 2: power from Dave Chappelle.

753
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: That said, I don't.

754
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: Think, if I'm being honest, that I go, Oh, they didn't.

755
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: They would have done that same thing to to whoever

756
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: the white counterpart to Dave Chappelle is on a film

757
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Speaker 2: by surprising him with a dress scene out of nowhere.

758
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Speaker 6: Right, Like, they never put Michael Rappaport in the dress, Yes.

759
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: And and that'd be funny probably, but they're not ever

760
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: gonna try.

761
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah they got Chris Rock.

762
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got Chris Rock. And in fact, I'm glad

763
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: you brought that up because I made a list of

764
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: who I know so far based off of various versions

765
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: of Internet slewthing to have participated in wearing dresses. And

766
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: it's worth noting that some of this came from a

767
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: TikTok that I found that breaks down all of this

768
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, and that TikTok page is also includes videos

769
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: called things like transgenders Versus Real Women and my personal

770
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: favorite Black China sold his soul to the Devil. So

771
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty progressive bunch that's managing this account.

772
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: But the list is pretty it's fucking crazy. There's Richard Pryor,

773
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: Flip Wilson, Wesley Snipes, Ving Raims, Chris Tucker, Eddie Murphy,

774
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: Martin Lawrence, miguel A Nunez, Tyler, Perry, Arsenio Hall, all

775
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: of the Wayans Brothers, Kevin Thompson, Kel Mitchell, Nick, Nick Cannon,

776
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: Jamie Fox, Brandon t Jackson, Terry Crews, Kid Cutting, Young

777
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: Thug as slew of other musicians. The list sort of

778
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: goes on from there, but but it is it is

779
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: an impressive list.

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00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: Patris O'Neill, Yeah, yeah, one, god, you.

781
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Speaker 6: Know that would have you know, that would have been funny.

782
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: Goddamn, he would be hilarious address objectively, they'd be so funny.

783
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 5: And dress a Halloween episode of the Office from two

784
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 5: thousand and seven where the guys from the warehouse all

785
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 5: wear dresses.

786
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: That's it's right, it's right, it's right there, it's it's

787
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 6: already so funny.

788
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 5: Goddamn, you would have wrapped the ship out of that,

789
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 5: would have that that might have got I'm the Emmy

790
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 5: for real.

791
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Speaker 2: That would they would have made him, They would have

792
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: made him serious regular if you put.

793
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Speaker 6: But I look also look that list.

794
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 5: You can't all those All black men wearing a dress

795
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 5: are not created equal, you know what I'm saying, Like

796
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 5: kind of like you was like Chris Rock wearing a

797
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 5: dress on the Fresh Prints. It's very different than young

798
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 5: Thug or like Kid Cutty wearing a dress. I will say,

799
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 5: I'm a big I'm a big Kid Cutty fan. Did

800
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 5: y'all see where you were the dress?

801
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? He looked like ship to me.

802
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like it was weird, Like it was

803
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: like I disagree with it on a like you you're

804
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 5: somehow making this thing not cool, Like I get you're,

805
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 5: like you think it's so cool that you're doing it

806
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 5: that it kind of makes me not like it.

807
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Speaker 6: That's the one that's the one that I minded the most.

808
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: Weirdly, it bugged me. It was it felt too much.

809
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted to wear a dress to prove a

810
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: point whatever, but he just didn't good.

811
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I don't think he chose to

812
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: write dress for his body.

813
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: No, he looked bad and it was like that weird

814
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: homage to Kurt Cobain, and like all of it was

815
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: just like you're you're doing too much ship at once, Bro,

816
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: Just just sing your little, your little sad songs.

817
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't need none of this.

818
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's that's the biggest problem I've actually had

819
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 6: with a man in address is Kik cutting.

820
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think musicians should even be in this conversation.

821
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 6: Exactly because I think it's just what about?

822
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: What about?

823
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 6: What about? Like like Russell Westbrook, Do you think he's

824
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 6: Do you think he's involved in this conversation or do.

825
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: You think that do you think I think but he

826
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: is hilarious, he's very funny.

827
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 2: I will say that he is who the barbershop points

828
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: to now in a contemporary sense of this same conspiracy

829
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: theory though, right that like, well, at least for years

830
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: now less so now he's sort of aged out of

831
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: like the shock and awe fashion and it's a little

832
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: more like grounded in his fashion. But when he was

833
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: in the height of his shock and awe fashion, they

834
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: definitely were like that niggas being brainwashed by the powers

835
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: that be whatever, whatever.

836
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 5: It's all, it's Russell Westbrook and it's low No Sex.

837
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 5: Old niggas a really hard time with low No Sex.

838
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 5: They really can't handle him being.

839
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think it's because it's never been as blatant,

840
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: is that like in the in the you know what

841
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like like the Rodeo video is like

842
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: that's like that's like aggressive. I don't think that has

843
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: been a ton of stuff in like main culture that

844
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: people have seen like that from a black man.

845
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 2: A black man demonstrating like queer.

846
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they've been there, but it's never you don't

847
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: you don't see it to that level.

848
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 5: I don't think, right, Yeah, I guess that's true. He's

849
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 5: the first like really big pop star.

850
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: That is like a gay black man, right yeah, right right,

851
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: And it's like expressed, you know, you know, like I

852
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: feel like it would be like things you'd hear people say,

853
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: but never like like the imagery like in the video

854
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah. No, Tevin camp bro Kevin.

855
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 6: Last year, Kevin Kemble just came out like in like

856
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one.

857
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had to work through a lot of ship

858
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: before he got comfortable.

859
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: Being Like I think I like men and we knew it.

860
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: Come on, Tevin, you were tricking anybody.

861
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: No, but when when we found out for real, like

862
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: not when he announced it, but when we found out,

863
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: the industry turned on him hard in a way that

864
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever fully recovered from.

865
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: Damn, really, I didn't. I didn't know that.

866
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would say that that at least

867
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: my understanding, And some of this is coming from my mother,

868
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: who who a fully unbiased source, but I I think

869
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: my understanding was that Tevin Campbell sort of like when

870
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: he was a cute kid and even as like a

871
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: cool sexy adult was singing about women, we loved him.

872
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: And then it became sort of a parent that he

873
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: was queer, and the industry stopped fucking with him the

874
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: same way that they used to like with them.

875
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: They like, yeah, exactly.

876
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 5: It's it's funny because like, by that theory, the industry

877
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 5: kind of wants you to They want you to like

878
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 5: seem gay on camera but not be gay in real life.

879
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: Mm hmm about it, right? I mean that's where this

880
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: song comes from, right, is It's like I feel like

881
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: the men who were in dresses, I don't feel like

882
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: what you hear is that they're gay. What they're what

883
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: you're well, they're making them look gay, right, Yeah, yeah,

884
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't think people thought Eddie Murphy was gay. Well,

885
00:48:51,000 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: I think, and there was there's other of that, there's

886
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: other parts of that, but I hear you.

887
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: Martin Lawrence was never being called gay. Martin Lawrence was

888
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: said to have been a masculated for and brainwashed.

889
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a tough it's tough because, yeah, I

891
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: don't know. Some of this does feel like it's obviously propaganda,

892
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: it's obviously manipulative. But I do think some of the

893
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: things that end up being greenlit or celebrated or treated

894
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: with a reverence to your point, Devin, of like, Yo,

895
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: the next time I'm in a car, I worry that

896
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 2: my most famous thing is going to be this one

897
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: off bit that I did. Is a real fear and

898
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: and frankly is one that that you can't just ignore

899
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Speaker 2: simply because you feel progressive as it relates to queer

900
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: rights and visibility and all.

901
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: Of that shit. I mean, I think, yeah, a hundred percent,

902
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: that's why we all were all pretty progressive. Nobody was

903
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: like hell yeah to dress on me like it's like

904
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: you gotta yeah, you do have to worry about that.

905
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Speaker 2: I read an NPR article about the same issue, and

906
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Speaker 2: this was I think more of like a I guess,

907
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: like an opinion piece, I dare say, But the author

908
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: sort of references the black men in the Dress to

909
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: a Carter G. Woodson book, The Miseducation of the Negro,

910
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: And in the book, Woodson argues that when someone is

911
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: repeatedly sent to the back door so often that they

912
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: eventually don't even know need to be told to go

913
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Speaker 2: to the front door or to the back door, that

914
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: they will just naturally go to the back door because

915
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Speaker 2: that is the place that they've been assigned. And he

916
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Speaker 2: goes on to say that they are become so conditioned

917
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Speaker 2: inside of this that when it comes to literally the

918
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: back door, if you showed up to that same back

919
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: door and the back door did not exist, you would

920
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: try to cut a hole into the space where the

921
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: back door did exist, rather than walking through the front.

922
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Speaker 2: And he basically suggests that this is the type of

923
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: brainwashing that comes from the types of people who choose

924
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 2: the dress for themselves in comedy, that like an Eddie

925
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: Murphy who made a movie where he wanted to wear

926
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 2: the dress, is sort of conditioned as a sort of

927
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: like sub inside of the white hierarchy.

928
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Speaker 1: If that makes sense. I don't I understand the point

929
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: that that's being made. I don't think I necessarily agree

930
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: with that, because I think a lot of it. I

931
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of this also boils down to what

932
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: how humor works and how people work with the humor

933
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: that like vulnerability or being the other, whatever is humorous.

934
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: That's like the state of comedy. Like I think there's

935
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: a reason that that it's not like just a black

936
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: like I said before, a lot a lot of people,

937
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: a lot of humor is based as men dressing up

938
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: what like women and vice versa. British people love that shit.

939
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: They love that shit, love it. They just bec consilling.

940
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: Look a bloke in a jumper. I don't know how dump.

941
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: But the point is, like, I'll give a shit about

942
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: you guys, but the but the point to me is

943
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: that like I understand what they're saying, but that we

944
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: do need to allow some space for the idea of this.

945
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: Sh It's just funny, man, you know. It's like it

946
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: is funny and it's funny to be vulnerable. And I

947
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: think that that's where a lot of that comes from.

948
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: Like if this is if it was just black men,

949
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: I would have a bigger issue. But it's like it's

950
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: like a tenet of humor. Dress it up like something

951
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: you're not always it's.

952
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 2: Funny and it also I think if if we could

953
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: untether this from all of the homophobia and all of

954
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: these sort of like mal intentioned perspectives that are connected

955
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 2: to this that have nothing to do with you, you

956
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like like at the root of it,

957
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: address is not necessarily emasculation. Address is address, and you

958
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 2: can be masculine inside of address. But our own homophobia,

959
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: in years of conditioning, make us see it as a

960
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: version of emasculation. And that's what makes us complicated. It's

961
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: not it's not the dress itself that makes us weaker.

962
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: It is our own sense of self that makes us weaker.

963
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: And address just is our articulation of that.

964
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.

965
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 5: That whoa, whoa, whoa.

966
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: That's why I'm on the But you know what I mean,

967
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: But would you say that you're not at all? No, Look,

968
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm a dog. He's as black as can be, you

969
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We all have the things that

970
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: were good at on this podcast. We all contribute here.

971
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: And my mama told me.

972
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: So it sounds like we've all sort of landed this plane.

973
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: We don't think that it's necessarily a legit conspiracy theory.

974
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: We're not We're not firm believers that this is some

975
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 2: deep Hollywood agenda to like transform the black man into

976
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: an emasculated version of himself. That said, we ain't rushing

977
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: to be at the front of the line when it

978
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 2: comes to participating in the bit.

979
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: And to be fair, I think there's also space for

980
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: there to be times that it is that, you know,

981
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there is fully possible.

982
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: I think both the both the weaponizing and the humor

983
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 2: of it being funny and also dangerous on the other side.

984
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 5: Right, I think that when we're allowed to write again,

985
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 5: the three of us should all work on a remake,

986
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 5: a reboot of BAPS.

987
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: I think we should.

988
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 5: I think that I think it should three and we

989
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 5: should bring it to Universal Pictures. Let's let's get that

990
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 5: off the ground. We're allowed to love it.

991
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: So that also that white baby thing, come on me,

992
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: Kiky Palmer, white baby one of those Dickey Channel freaks.

993
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, see you changed the story a

994
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: little bit because it was you with a white family.

995
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: But now it's you and Palmer raised a white baby. Yeah,

996
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: you're pretty good. I think I could go either way.

997
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: This is this is writers. You, we're pitching, we're pitching.

998
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 6: And Timothy shallow Man just as yeah.

999
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then my caps is the grandpa.

1000
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 6: Right there.

1001
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: Come on, you're just teaching teaching Timothy shallow May to

1002
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: use a washcloth.

1003
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: And you can't out back smoking black and Miles. I

1004
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: make him smoke the whole pack.

1005
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: He gets real sick that smoking back of cigarettes.

1006
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 6: He's smoking with wood wood tip blacks.

1007
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. By then he looks like et when he was

1008
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: away from home for too long. It's like, bro, we

1009
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: gotta get him out of here. This ain't This ain't

1010
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: a good house for him. Yeah, they're gonna call CPS.

1011
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: This is childhood, Devin. This was this is great.

1012
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: I think we did it because you tell the people

1013
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: where they can find you and and what cool shit

1014
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: you have going on.

1015
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 6: I'm on tour right now, so just find me. Find

1016
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 6: me online from my Instagram or Twitter whatever you can

1017
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 6: find on my tour info.

1018
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 5: I don't know when this is gonna be out, but

1019
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 5: I'm touring for like the next month, so come see

1020
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 5: a show.

1021
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and poor you want to tell the people

1022
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: where they can find you.

1023
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm well. First of all, you can catch

1024
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: us on tour, because this comes out next week, you

1025
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: can catch us. We still got two more weeks on tour.

1026
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: You can come out and catch us. That'll be in Texas,

1027
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: Houston and Austin, and then the weekend after that New

1028
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: York and Pittsburgh and Chicago and Chicago and Chicago, and

1029
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: then I go on my own tour. Bring David aplate

1030
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: dot com. Just added a few dates Columbus, Cincinnati, some

1031
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: other stuff and that's my solo tour. Cool guy jokes

1032
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Speaker 1: eighty seven on Instagram.

1033
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and as always, you can follow me at

1034
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: Langston Herman and come to that goddamn my mama told

1035
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: me live tour. We we are very excited to see

1036
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: you in person. And more importantly, if you want to

1037
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: send us drops, if you want to send us your

1038
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: own conspiracies, if you want to send us pictures of

1039
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: white men in dresses who have benefited from from Hollywood's agenda,

1040
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: then send it all to my mama pod at gmail

1041
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: dot com. We would love to hear from you. That's

1042
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: about it.

1043
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Speaker 1: By bitch.

1044
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Speaker 6: Chips in your.

1045
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Speaker 5: Qualms race, the holds the player of ows and money,

1046
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Speaker 5: achs and turkey stuff.

1047
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Speaker 1: I can't tell me that