1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Foxsportsradio dot com, 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: Hi, welcome back. Twenty two years, three MVPs fourteen time 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: All Star and you're always been good to our show 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: whenever you're around, and you're probably doing some business. You 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: told me ten years ago you love business, and it's 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: all worked out for you. See, you've always been very sharp. 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: You've got your own analytic mind in business, and you 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: and I are Aaron boon apologists. So my take is, 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: first of all, I do believe because of the length 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: of a season, you have to be a players manager. 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: This is not football where you can be dogmatic and 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: cut guys, and you've got to get along with players. 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts Aaron Booner players guys, but he doesn't set 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: the lineup. He gets all the heat and the truth 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: is in this series they're just not getting outs. I mean, 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: your take on Aaron Boone and the relentless, NonStop criticism 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: he gets. 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, you and I met years 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: ago at the King Though back in Seattle. And even 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: a guy like Lou Panella, who's more cut out of 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: you know, Bill Belichick or Nick Saban, you know, very hard. 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: I love them like a dad, and he was a 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: great teacher. I don't know that works in today's game. 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: The reason why I like Aaron Boone so much is 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: it's a no win situation for him upstairs and make 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: the lineup. 33 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: If it works, they get the credit. And if you lose, 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Boone's in the hot seat. 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: So I rather see after the games, you know, Mike 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: Fish Cashman, the analytics explaining why they're making the moves, why. 37 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: They have three lieutenant catchers. 38 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: So I think Boone is you know, I mean they 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: got just just destroyed up there in Toronto the first 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: two games, and I don't think anyone could have won 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: those games as a manager. 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, when you go to a deciding game in 43 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs, game one, you can't win. I mean the 44 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: Cubs found this in Milwaukee. When you go to these 45 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: deciding games and you you know, sometimes you empty the bullpen. 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: So Aaron Judge is in a world that you lived in. 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: It's Aaron's hitting in the series. It's not about that. 48 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: In New York, he's got to have a three run 49 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: bomb of the eighth. And I do think it's different 50 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: in New York. I said this last week, even compared 51 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: to Dodger Stadium, which is a jewel, the pressure in 52 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: New York, the talk radio in New York, the intensity 53 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: of New York people are a little ruder. Fans are 54 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: a little more gruff and blunt. Do you feel he 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: hasn't had the moment in the postseason? You were there, 56 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: You know the pressure. Do you think it weighs on him? 57 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: Of course it weighs on him. And I don't think 58 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: Aaron's going to admit that. I didn't admit that when 59 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: I struggled. But in New York it compounds at. 60 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: A much higher rate. 61 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: Right If you struggle in Milwaukee or secondary market, it compounds, 62 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: but it doesn't compound in the rate of the snowball 63 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: of New York, which I felt. Now, I think you 64 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: said the perfect word. I think one of the most 65 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: misleading stats in baseball is people look at stats as the. 66 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: End of all. It's really about moments. 67 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: Look at the moments of Yankee history, whether it's seventy 68 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: seven Reggie Jackson with the three homers, or Aaron Boone 69 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: with the walk off against the Red Sox or mister November. 70 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: Do you remember what Regie had in that series, or 71 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: Aaron Boone or Jeter? You don't, but you remember those moments. 72 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: I think, what Aaron Boone, what Judge needs is a 73 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: couple of big moments, and forget about the stats. Go 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: one for thirteen if that base is loaded, when he 75 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: struck out, if he hits a double or a home run, 76 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: your a hero. You're a hero and you're one for thirteen. 77 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: So enough with the stats. Get big moments. Help your 78 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: team win. You know I have credited the Yankees. 79 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: I've said, listen, the Jets, the Giants, Brooklyn Nets. Now 80 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: you're an NBA owner, they've all been chaotic. They're firing 81 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: and hiring. The Yankees, Brian Cashman thirty years, They've had 82 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: three managers thirty years. They're almost patient to a fault. 83 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: George Steinbener created almost like Bill Parcells. He created chaos 84 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: because it created clarity. It's not Aaron's style. That was 85 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: Parcells style. That was Billy Martin style with Reggie, do 86 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: you think they should be less patient? I mean, would 87 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: you shape things up if they get beat in tonight 88 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: or in a Game four. 89 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: It's a really And by the way, Billy Martin was 90 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: Lupenella's teacher, right, So I felt in many ways that 91 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: connect this tissue. But it's funny when you see with 92 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: the Yankees as you see no turnover with manager in Cashman, 93 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: but you see incredible turnover with that roster. Now, if 94 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: you go back three years, the only two people standing 95 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: are Vopie and Judge, and you have twenty four new players. 96 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 3: And what I found when you win and you have 97 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: teams that have been ultimately very successful, whether it's the 98 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: SPURSI in basketball, Belichick and the Patriot and Brady and football. 99 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: You look at the Dodgers' core, it takes about four 100 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: years to kind of come together and cement. And for me, 101 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: there's just too many turnovers. If they lose now, they'll 102 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 3: be a completely different turnover next year and you'll have 103 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: Boom coming back and you have Cashman coming back. 104 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: So I just think you need to stick. 105 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: Imagine if Soda was there for two or three years 106 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 3: with Judge or four years, they'll win a championship almost guaranteed, 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: but a one and out it's tough to do. 108 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Dodgers. I've said this 109 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: about the Yankees the last two years. If you watch 110 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: the Yankees last year in the World Series, when Garrett 111 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: Cole didn't pitch, they looked overmatched athletically by the Dodgers. Now, 112 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: the Yankees have always beaten up on the American League Central. 113 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: I feel this team is uneven. It's very home run dependent. 114 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: They don't sacrifice, they don't play small ball. The bullpens shaky. 115 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: The Dodgers are different. They're not uneven, they just have 116 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: a bad bullpen. Inning seven and eight are white knuckle. 117 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: They have to go in with a four to five 118 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: nothing lead or a five run lead. When you know 119 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: the bullpen is your flaw as a player at bats 120 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: different do you think differently? Is there more intensity? Dodger 121 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: players all know there is a star studded but last 122 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: night they took a four to nothing lead and I'm like, 123 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: I think that's enough. Did it change? Do the players know, listen, 124 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: we have a bad bully. Did your at bats get 125 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: more intense? Do you do you manage differently when you 126 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: have that back end that struggles. 127 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: By the way, I think you know Dog Roberts, it's 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: the unsung hero. 129 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: He's just such a great job with that team. 130 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: And it's hard to do, by the way, because there's 131 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: a lot of moving parts in La right, there's a 132 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: lot of noise, there's a lot of media, big fan base. 133 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: But I think the Dodgers are the complete package. 134 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. 135 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: They're going to beat you one zero or ten to one. 136 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: It reminds me of the old nineties Yankees when they 137 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: won four titles. Were they going to beat you any way? 138 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 3: You want to play in the trenches pitching one zero, 139 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: ten zero, they're going to win. The Dodgers that they've 140 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: made three of the most unbelievable plays in the nineteen 141 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: y Yesterday unbelievable. The monthly play to Mookie bets like 142 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: it's like a quarterback hitting a wide receive on the 143 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: run with no force. He has a tag and then 144 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: you go to Freeman goes to his right and throw 145 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: the strike to Mookie for a force and then he 146 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: picks it a very tough pick to end the game, 147 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: where the second basement throws like a little bit of 148 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: a jellyfish. Those are the hardest ones because it's a bullet, 149 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: you can scoop it. 150 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: But when is a. 151 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: Little soft, like a little dead fish, it's like, Oh, 152 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: they're unbelievable. And I don't see anybody stopping. 153 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: The Dodgers yet, Judge, I feel because it's an uneven 154 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: roster has pressure. I don't feel that with Otawanni Freddy 155 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 1: Freeman can carry this team. I mean, Mookie Best struggled 156 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: in September. I think he has a stomach illius, he 157 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: got illness, he got really hot in September. I don't 158 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: feel this team even though O Tawni is Babe Ruth, 159 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: He's all right, baby Ruth. I don't feel there's pressure 160 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: on him, do you well. 161 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: I mean there's always some pressure obviously, and he has 162 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: tremendous pressure from his country because he's like the biggest 163 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: thing in Japan, right, the greatest ambassador. But what I 164 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: will say is look at Game one against the Phillies, 165 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: zero for four, four strikeouts, three looking and they still win. 166 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: It's almost impossible for the Yankees to win. If Justge 167 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: comes up four for five with four punchouts, it's not 168 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: going to happen. So to your point less pressure than judge. 169 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: But they do have an incredible complimentary set of you know. 170 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: In a great roster. Yeah, it's interesting. The forgotten man 171 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 1: for the Dodgers is tao Oscar Hernandez. They're so good. 172 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: He was a Yankee killer last year. Remember when they 173 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: went in the regular season in New York and he 174 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: just ate them alive. If you ever wonder if the 175 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: Dodgers are great, It's like when I was a kid 176 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: growing up, the Reds were so loaded. Nobody talked about 177 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: Tony Perez right right right. It was like oh Rose 178 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: and Griffy and Bench and like Morgan, and you're like 179 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: Tony Prez an all Star. That's what I feel about 180 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: Taoscar Hernandez. He turns into Many Ramirez in October. It's incredible. 181 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: It's phenomena of a player. He is. Okay, so I 182 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: grew up a Mariners fan. I go to eBay and 183 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: look at the old stuff. I've got a soft spot 184 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: in my heart. You do as well. So what's great 185 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: about baseball? Right now? Milwaukee's a small market. Even though 186 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: Seattle is very corporate centric, it's viewed as kind of 187 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: a small market. I think some of its geography, it's 188 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: a long road trip, it's a long way. It's rough 189 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: on a team over the course of a season. I've 190 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: argued that that's why the Vancouver Grizzlies didn't work in 191 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: the NBA. It's a beautiful city. You've been there. It's 192 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: a long road trip for eighty two games. Do the 193 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: Mariners Munno's in the back end Raleigh? Do the Mariners 194 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: have enough? Can they be Can they get through the 195 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: American League? Or is it just a great story with 196 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: a handful of really special players. No. I think they 197 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: can get through. 198 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: And the fact they have home field advantage, to your point, 199 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: is very challenging for them. But it's even more challenging 200 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: and have the team's coming from New York or from Toronto, 201 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: or from Florida and the Pacific Northwest. They own that 202 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: quadrant part of the US. Incredible fan base, great TV numbers, 203 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: the players are extremely popular. And by the way, while 204 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 3: everyone's looking at the big dumper right in rally of stars, 205 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: born with Julio Rodriguez, who has the it factor to 206 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: be one of maybe even the next you know, Aaron Judge. 207 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: How do you explain Milwaukee has the best people say, 208 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: best young GM best manager, both leave clubs take one, 209 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: Mets take the other. They replace them. It's like, yeah, 210 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: they'll miss a beat, is it? Do you explain Milwaukee? 211 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: I mean last night just power. Do you explain it 212 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: to great drafting and development? I mean, it's not like 213 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: to just go outspend people. How do you explain in 214 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: a sport with no salary cap. It's got a Packers 215 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: feel they shouldn't be this good for thirty five years. 216 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: The Brewers shouldn't be this complete. How do we explain it? Well, 217 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: you have. 218 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in leadership. Pat Murphy's an incredible coach. 219 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: He recruited me. 220 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: At Arizona State one hundred years ago when he was there. 221 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: Great communicator, no bs, and they play old school style baseball. 222 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: They're not a home run team. They don't give up 223 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: home runs, they don't hit home runs, but they're hitting 224 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: them that when accounts right and in that stadium. 225 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: That's a great comp to Packers. That fan base. 226 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: I started my career in nineteen ninety four in Appleton, Wisconsin. 227 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: Incredible fans, very smart, rabid, loud. 228 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: They love their. 229 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: Team, and that's a team that's in a run. Look 230 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: they haven't been in this position is in nineteen eighty 231 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: two when they lost to the Cardinals in the World Series. 232 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: There's a magic about them that they played good, solid baseball. 233 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when I was a kid growing up, 234 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: you're a baseball savant. You have the great history of it. 235 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: And I'm going to go old school. I mean, forget 236 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: Molitor and Robin Yunt. People forget how good the Twins 237 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: and the Brewers were in the seventies and early eighties, 238 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: and it was like Rod Carew for the Twins and 239 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: the Brewers had all these people sometimes forget how great 240 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: of a baseball market Milwaukee is. Indeed, you just forget 241 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: about it because you know, the Cubs get all the 242 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: glare down in Chicago. How is baseball? And this is 243 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: a kind of a macro topic because you have such 244 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: an instinct for the sport. So Rob Manfred, We're gonna 245 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: speed the game up, We're going to make the basis bigger, 246 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: We're going to do universal dh I think baseball had 247 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: a really different Rob Manford looked at baseball and said, 248 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: we got a lot of traditionals, and they're wrong on 249 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: a lot. I think this is as healthy as baseball 250 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: has been since I was a kid. Now, am I wrong? 251 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: Am I missing something? What are you hearing? What do 252 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: you see? Well? 253 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: I don't know if as if you were a kid. 254 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: I mean you got to remember this. And I think 255 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: people forget this. Colin In Bill Buckner, Bill goes through 256 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: the wickets right in nineteen eighty six Game seven, you 257 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: had fifty five million. 258 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: People watch that game. 259 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: When the Red Sox came back against us in two 260 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: thousand and four, we were. 261 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: Up three to zero. 262 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: You know you have thirty thirty five million people watching 263 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: on Fox. So that was an extraordinary time in a 264 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: different era. But the game has never been healthier. And 265 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: Rob Manford, Tony Clark, the leaders of this game have 266 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: done a great job. I think the only thing in 267 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: the horizon that scares me a little bit is work 268 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: stompage potentially in a couple of years, yes, a postseason. 269 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: I've been doing this now with Kevin Burkhardt for almost 270 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: eleven years, and these last two years unbelievable sighting as 271 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 3: I've seen them, unbelievable. 272 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: And again, Milwaukee, Seattle, San Diego is not a big market. 273 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: You have forty million people in Toronto. I mean there's 274 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: one team in that country, talk about pride. You go 275 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 3: to Rogers Center, I'll tell you what. You better pack 276 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: your lunch. They're a handful of there. Very very tough 277 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: place to win. Alex Rodriguez, it's great seeing you. We 278 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: took you one minute long. You're a busy guy. Are 279 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: you here for business? 280 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: I take it and I can show so you're literally 281 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: you get here this early every so the Mariners are 282 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: on right after us? Aren't the Mariners on right now? 283 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: We have two games? We have the Mariners and then 284 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: we have the Yankees for the prime time on Fox. 285 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: Great seeing you, great seeing you, love having you here. 286 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. 287 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: One more Heard. 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They 306 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 6: finished at number two. How about this start to the season, man, 307 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 6: Tampa's the first team in NFL history to win four 308 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 6: games by three or fewer points. 309 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: In the first opposite of the Lions this year, they 310 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: bought nobody. 311 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 6: They can't get margin. Baker talked about it after the 312 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 6: walk off in Seattle. 313 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 7: Obviously, I mean the games we've had so far this year, 314 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 7: as long as we have time on the cloth, we 315 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 7: got a chance. And our guys truly truly believe that 316 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 7: from the bottom of their hearts. So it's it's a 317 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 7: good feeling to have and just guys execut and doing 318 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 7: all the little things right. 319 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: There's real value in winning like this. I mean Kansas 320 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: City last year struggled to run the football wide receiver 321 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: room was a mass a line struggled. They were great 322 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: in close games. There is incredible value. I mean, we've 323 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: said this before in college football, when a team wins 324 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: by blowout, you know, like the Clemson in years wins 325 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: by a blowout. SEC teams, Big ten teams are playing 326 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: closer games every week. I think this pays dividends to 327 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: be able to win close. You Kansas City last year 328 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: got to the Super Bowl? Were they really the second 329 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: most talented team? They had holes everywhere? So that's the 330 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: problem we our staff came up with. This is a 331 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: crazy stat. 332 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 6: So four teams have trailed in the fourth quarter of 333 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 6: every game this season, right, the Jets who are winless, 334 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 6: the Titans, who stink and are one and four, The 335 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 6: Browns are one in four, and Tampa which is four 336 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 6: and one trailing in the fourth quarter of every game 337 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 6: this season. Well, there's a lot of luck will evolved. 338 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: Well, no, there's not. 339 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 6: At the end of games. 340 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: Why look at those teams, Bucks, Brown's, Titans, Jets. You 341 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: think it's luck. Why is the one team four and one? 342 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: Name the quarterbacks for the four teams, Fleco, cam Ward, 343 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: Justin Fields and MVP candidate. They're winning the games because 344 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: of the quarterback. 345 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 6: I know it's fashionable to put Bakers in MVP candidate. 346 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 6: There's zero chance he wins the MVPs none. So all 347 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 6: this luck divolved when the when the football bounces the 348 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 6: other way later this season and they end. 349 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: Up I wouldn't be I wouldn't be so sure when 350 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: you looked at that schedule. That Seattle game was a 351 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: tough one. They're winning some of these games, the close 352 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: ones that were tough games. Also, no Bucky Irving, no Evans, 353 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: they're getting healthy. It was a great win, no doubt. 354 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's sustainable. I'm gonna go with San 355 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: Francisco this week. Getting San Francisco ISA is the better side. 356 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: The number hasn't gone to three yet. 357 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 6: I saw three last. 358 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: If it goes to three, San Francis goes to side. 359 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: Mac Jones are pretty doesn't matter to you. Why would 360 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: you sit mac Jones? He's red hot? Why would you 361 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: Unless Perdy's one hundred percent healthy, why would you do that? 362 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 6: Purdy's a better quarterback. 363 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: Slightly let me just say, what's the word less than 364 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: slightly granularly barely. 365 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 6: That's literally not a word. 366 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't think. 367 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 6: Let's move on to the Bengals. They got the big 368 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 6: trade last hour, acquiring cement Shoes, Joe Flacco and a 369 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 6: six round pick from the Browns. Cincinnati is moving on. 370 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 6: It seems like from Jake Browning he had been a 371 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 6: total disaster. Flacco will now compete for the starting job 372 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 6: they got the Packers this week. Now, listen, man, I 373 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 6: know Flacco is a smart, savvy veteran. Are you really 374 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 6: throwing him in against the Packers defense off a bye? 375 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: You think he could start this game? 376 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: Now? 377 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: I know the Packers just gave up forty to Now 378 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: the story isn't the Bengals, The story is Cleveland. So 379 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: Cleveland has said, basically, we have two first round picks 380 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: next year. We're gonna play Dylan Gabriel and Shade, but 381 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: mostly Dylan Gabriel to figure out if we got the guy. 382 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: That's what you have to do. Dylan Gabriel again a 383 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: little smaller than i'd like. But if this is this 384 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: is why they're doing it. 385 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 6: Can we call this a soft tank. It's not just. 386 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: People don't tank in the NFL. I just don't have 387 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: very many good players. What it is is Cleveland saying 388 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: we've got two first round picks. Drew aller Cade club 389 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: Nick have not been overwhelming. We have a chance to 390 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: have the number one pick. Let's let Shaduur and Dylan 391 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: Gabriel play. That's what this is. Get Joe out of 392 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: the building and let the young guys have the rest 393 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: of the season. I think I think it's really smart 394 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: by Stefanski and Cleveland. Let's see. It's like what the 395 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: Giants are doing with Jackson Dart. You can't you can't 396 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: make a decision off seven games. You got to give 397 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: him fifteen starts. Let's see if you can play. 398 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 6: And you get a late round pick. 399 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: You know. 400 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 6: In addition, I don't know how he's gonna do anything 401 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 6: Flacco that is with the Bengals. I think we I 402 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 6: like Dylan Gabriel more than you do. You don't see Quino. 403 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 6: You like these big Drew Aller types. 404 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: I like traits. 405 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, but I had that workout for brock Osweiler and 406 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 6: I was. 407 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: Looking for six four update guy, you were what was available. 408 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, because I was the best on the market, big guy. 409 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 6: The final story is, Oh, this is shocking news from 410 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 6: the college football world. North Carolina is backing out of 411 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 6: its season long documentary Oh It's going to be on Hulu. 412 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 6: They were gonna chronicle Belichick's first year with the Tar heels. 413 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 6: The deal was just announced two months ago. Remember the 414 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 6: realmarole with Bill's girlfriend pulling the chain, pulling things behind 415 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 6: the scenes. And now all of a sudden it's gone. 416 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 6: So Belichick after getting smashed by Clemson, I guess he 417 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 6: doesn't want that footage to see the light of day. 418 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: Huh. This has gone so poorly. 419 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 6: So but I was way I thought this would go good. 420 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 6: Belichick's a genius. It's College's the. 421 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: Acc Well, I thought they'd be I thought that had 422 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: a chance to win seven or eight games. I didn't 423 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: think they'd get shelled by everybody on their stade. May 424 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: not win five games. Oh they're not gonna win five gigs, 425 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: and they may not win three. They're not winning. And 426 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: you know again it's he's closed himself off. He did 427 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: that in New England. How do you not get along 428 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: with Robert Kraft. He's gonna build a statue. I mean, 429 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: you got to get over it. The minute Robert Kraft 430 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: said no, we're gonna keep Brady and move on Jimmy Garoppolo, 431 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: Bill pouted. Bill never looked at him the same. Oh gosh, 432 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: an owner said, listen, we're gonna keep Brady, who went 433 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: on to win a Super Bowl in New England and Tampa. 434 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: So Craft and Brady were right. 435 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a tough one for Bill Man. Listen, this 436 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 6: is and we both know Michael Lombardi a little bit 437 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 6: like things are spiraling in North Carolina. 438 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: These are pro guys. They're not college guys. 439 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 6: Do you I don't want to go two over? Do 440 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 6: you think they last more than one season? 441 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: There? No? 442 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 6: I mean what do they win three games and there's 443 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 6: a mutinee and like they can't get anybody in the port? 444 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 6: Do they run him out? 445 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: Bill was never a Saturday guy. I've said it. Urban 446 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: Meyer was never a Sunday guy. These sports are totally different. 447 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 6: This is like Willie Mays in the outfield with the 448 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 6: Mets stumbling around. You're like, that's not really amaze that 449 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 6: I know. You know these late Korea. 450 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: It's tough one to Bill Jmack with the news. 451 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 452 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. 453 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: Better get ready Mariners in the World Series. I'm just 454 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: telling you right now, you better get you better get 455 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: ready for it. 456 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 457 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 2: and Noon Easter. Not a em Pacific. 458 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: Mariners at the Tigers. Right after our show will be 459 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: throwing to it. Blue Jays at the Yankees. A lot 460 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: of pressure on New York and Aaron Boone and I 461 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: do think it is different. The pressure is different in 462 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: New York than it is Los Angeles. First of all, 463 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: they did studies on this year's ago. People are more 464 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: prone to honk quickly in New York. It's a lot 465 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: of people in the Burrows jammed up, very impatient, and 466 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to the Yankees, because of their history, 467 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: they get very frustrated. Talk radios much bigger in New York. 468 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: There's a volume to New York Sports. The different and 469 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: I think the pressure is different. And I asked a 470 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: Rod ten minutes ago about being Aaron judge. It's not 471 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: about hitting for average. It's about hitting in a big 472 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: spot that changes an outcome of a series. And here's 473 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: a Rod. 474 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 3: People look at stats as the end of all. It's 475 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: really about moments. Look at the moments of Yankee history, 476 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: whether it's seventy seven, Reggie Jackson with the three homers, 477 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: or Aaron Boone with the walk off against the Red 478 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: Sox or miss to November. Do you remember what Regie 479 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: had in that series, or Aaron Boone or Jeter. You don't, 480 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 3: but you remember those moments. I think what Aaron Boone, 481 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: what Judge needs is a couple of big moments, and 482 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 3: forget about the stats. Go one for thirteen if that 483 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: basis v when he struck out, If he has a 484 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: double or a home run, you're a hero and you're 485 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 3: one for thirteen. 486 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: So enough with the stats. Get big moments. Help your 487 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: team win. Also, a crazy Monday night football game last 488 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: night in which there were you know, turnovers, fumbles at 489 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: the one, flags and then flags taken out. I think 490 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: Kansas City is the better team. You know, we talked 491 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: earlier today about an hour ago about the current NFL 492 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: playoff standings. I don't think they'll change much. I think 493 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: as the NFL has become much more quarterback dependent that 494 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: you can see very early, you have to have a 495 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: great quarterback or a quarterback being well coached and playing 496 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: at a great level. So currently, right now the NFL 497 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: playoff standings in the AFC and the NFC, I don't 498 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: think it's going to change a lot. Colts, I think 499 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: are the most underrated team in the league. Bill's Steelers 500 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: are the healthiest of all beat up teams in the 501 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: AFC North, Chargers, Jags, Denver, and New England. That's a 502 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: lot of the teams I thought would make the playoffs. 503 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't think the AFC South will have two playoff teams. 504 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: I think the Colts have the better complete roster and 505 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: the better O line. So I'm going to take Jacksonville, 506 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: take them out, put Kansas City in. That's my belief 507 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: in the AFC. In the NFC, I don't think Minnesota 508 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: is gonna make it. Not good enough at quarterback, and 509 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: I think eventually the Rams will absolutely get in. I'd 510 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: keep my eye on Washington, but you know it's Jaden 511 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: Daniel's health. Philadelphia is fascinating because they have the best roster. 512 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: But it's Nick Wright said earlier today, when you know, 513 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: you drop that game to the Broncos and you got 514 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: totally dominated again in a half of football, often at home. 515 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: And here's Nick Wright on the plight the coaching crisis 516 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: with Philly right now. 517 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 8: And in their last six halves of football, they have 518 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 8: either had less than eight yards rushing or eight yards 519 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 8: passing in three of them. It reminds me a bit 520 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 8: of two years ago. When they started ten and one, 521 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 8: but it was so angsty and every game they won, 522 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 8: but it was like yeah, but yeah, but and what 523 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 8: that led to was a historic collapse. 524 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna have a historic collapse. 525 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: But you know, Detroit hired from within for their coordinators. 526 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: It's worked. Philadelphia tried it and it hasn't. It was 527 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: somebody that had never been a play caller stuff. And 528 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: Philadelphia is not a real patient football city or sports city, 529 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: so it's hard to learn on the fly. You know, 530 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of these cities like Tampa the media 531 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: is supportive, or Milwaukee with the Brewers. It's not in 532 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: Philadelphia if you're struggling. I mean, talk radio still gets 533 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: a massive number in four or five cities in the country, 534 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: most in the Northeast. So you know, just Drew Bledsoe 535 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: was on yesterday, and this is the best roster in 536 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: the NFL. I don't think anybody even doubts it. I'm 537 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: not sure anybody's close. But here's what Bledsoe sees with 538 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: the Eagles. 539 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 9: They are a punchy in the mouth, run the football, 540 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 9: play defense, play action, you know, big play. You know 541 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 9: a team and that's you know, that's that's that's who 542 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 9: they are, you know. But in order to you know, 543 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 9: in order to play that way though, you have to 544 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 9: be remarkably consistent, you know, you you know, you have 545 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 9: to you have to convert third downs so you can 546 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 9: keep running the football. You know, you've got to get 547 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 9: the defensive stops. I just think you're seeing a little 548 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 9: bit of inconsistency out of the out of the Eagles 549 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 9: offense right now. 550 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 5: Now. 551 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 9: You know, they're four and one, I don't know, and 552 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 9: they played you know, the Broncos are a good football 553 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 9: team and you know, so there's no reason to panic, uh, 554 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 9: you know, with what's going on with the Eagles. But 555 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 9: but their identity is their identity. 556 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the current JMAC playoff standing. So 557 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: put the AFC in the NFC up and I just 558 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: want to name either coach or quarterback. So if you 559 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: put up the playoff standings, you you literally have to 560 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: have a great quarterback now or a quarterback playing at 561 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: a very high level. So right now, now you look 562 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: at the Colts, well, it's probly the weakest division, and 563 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: you say, well, Daniel Jones, but people love Shane Steiken 564 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: and their old line's great, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Harbaugh, 565 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: Herbert say what you want, Trevor Lawrence a huge talent, 566 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Mike Vrabel, and Drake may So there's either 567 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: a great coach or there's a super talented quarterback. Go 568 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: to the NFC. Jalen Hurts, Kyle Shanahan is having maybe 569 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: his best coaching year. Baker Mayfield is in the MVP conversation. 570 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say Dan Campbell and Goff are 571 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: both a ish Jordan Love, Matt Lafleur, Sam Darnold playing 572 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: great football. That's why I don't think Minnesota lasts. I 573 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: think Kevin O'Connell's a great coach. I think there's limitations, 574 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: but by and large, you know, you used to always 575 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: be in the NFL. There's a lot of ways to 576 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: win now. You don't have to look a certain way, 577 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: but find the team and you can say what you 578 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: want about Aaron Rodgers. He is getting rid of the 579 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: ball right now faster than any NFL quarterback. So Aaron's 580 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: getting it out, getting it accurate. It is hard to 581 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: win in this league if you're not special at coach 582 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: or quarterback. There's not a lot of different ways to 583 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: win anymore. That's why we talked about it earlier. Look 584 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: at the teams that are struggling. The Jets, well, they 585 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: don't have an elite coach or a quarterback. And what 586 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: I've noticed over the last several years, the bottom I 587 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: was on this two years ago, the bottom of the 588 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: NFL is the bottom of the NBA. Now, like you 589 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: can tell a month into the season, teams can't compete. 590 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: We're seeing college lines in NFL games. It was almost 591 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: never you'd see like if you saw an eleven point 592 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: NFL line, you're like, oh, it must be that's the 593 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: best team in the league against the worst team in 594 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: the league. You're seeing lines now for that are just wild. 595 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 6: Bengals are fifteen point dogs against Jordan Love and the 596 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 6: Packers this week. Now, I don't know if it's going 597 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 6: to be Browning or Flaco, but yeah, that's unwatched. Let 598 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 6: me let me ask you about the Viking. So they're 599 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 6: in there. I was looking into toughest schedules. They have 600 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 6: the toughest or second toughest schedule. Rest of the way, 601 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 6: I don't think they're a playoff team. So Washington and 602 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 6: the Rams are not in their coming. Okay, So again, 603 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 6: so who are you who you pulling out? Yeah? 604 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm taking So I'm gonna put McVeigh and Stafford in 605 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: and take Minnesota out. Why coach in quarterball? What about Washington? 606 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: I think they have a superstar quarterback. I think they're 607 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: going to go in. The question is who who? So 608 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: right now, you know, I maybe Seattle right now, Seattle's 609 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: in and I think Darnold but I but again, who 610 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: are the teams I'm taking out? So three teams I 611 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: think are gonna make it that aren't Curly in here 612 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: Read and Mahomes, Stafford, McVeigh and Jaden Daniels. 613 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 6: You did not mention C. J. Stroud in Houston. You 614 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 6: crowned him a couple of years ago. 615 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: Where he's not He's we gotta talk about the team 616 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: should he be in though? Not in that comvision? No? Interesting? No, 617 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: I I think the only team, like Shane Steichen's not 618 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: proven as a head coach. The only team you look 619 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: at and go, well, where's a great coach and a 620 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: great quarterback is Indy. It's a bad division and I 621 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: think their roster is so undervalued. 622 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 6: It's early. Can you imagine a playoffs with no Mahomes, 623 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 6: no Burrow, and no Lamar Jacks. 624 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: That's not happening. Mahomes is getting in, by the way. 625 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: Even if that's true, I would still get Josh Allen, 626 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. 627 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers. Do you think he's an appointment viewing right now? 628 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: I think the Steelers with Aaron Rodgers would get a 629 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: huge playoff number. Yeah, I totally they get a number. 630 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 6: But they're boring. Man. Have you watched them other than 631 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 6: that Jets game when they what over outfield? 632 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: Philadelphia is boring? 633 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, but they have great players Jalen or Hurt. They 634 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 6: just can't get them the ball. DeVonta Smith. 635 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: I think people are going to have to come to terms. 636 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: Here's the utter thing that's exciting. If you're the NFL. 637 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: The teams that are currently in Drake may Bock. Come on, No, 638 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. 639 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 6: Aren't into them yet? The way they are loves people 640 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 6: like I'm just saying hot and cold. Man, I'm still 641 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 6: ticked about that he's not cold. 642 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: Where do you get the cold part? 643 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 6: He hasn't been amazing. I think I might have a 644 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 6: ticket on him to win the MLB this season. 645 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: Hold on, let me look, no, I want to do 646 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: this real quick, hold on, I don't have it. 647 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 6: Jordan Love put the Packers schedule up. 648 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: There had no timeout. Forget the schedule. Jordan Love this 649 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: year eight touchdowns, one pick and a one thirteen passer rating. 650 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: He was good against the Lions, by the way, with 651 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: Jayden Reid hurt, Christian Watson hurt, Zach tom Wright tackle hurt. 652 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: So the offense is all banged up. They played a 653 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: pretty good schedule and he's rolling. Hey, I don't know. 654 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 6: He didn't roll against the Browns when they lost that 655 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 6: game out right in Cleveland? 656 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: Did he? 657 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 6: Everybody rolls against its fields? 658 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: Was good yesterday? They have they had a stinker. This 659 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: is a week to week league. You don't know who 660 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: you're getting. I think the team that we both love, 661 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: but they don't look the same as Buffalo. That defense. 662 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, well Milano and Oliver. They need those guys in 663 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 6: there in the middle. I think they could be right 664 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 6: for a trade. You know, you start picking some of 665 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 6: these bottom feeders off. Bengals starts selling parts right, some 666 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 6: of these defenders, if they have any good ones. 667 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: No, I think Buffalo at the trade deadline has to 668 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: address the inability to stop. 669 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 6: The run, especially with the Chief stinking this year. This 670 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 6: is your chance, Buffalo get to the super Bowl thinking 671 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 6: you heard it. 672 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: Stink. 673 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 6: Two and three are rotten. 674 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: Baseball playoffs next