WEBVTT - Two Sues

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Susanne Armstrong and Susan Bartlett moved into

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<v Speaker 1>their little rented house in Collingwood, they'd known each other

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<v Speaker 1>half their lives. There'd been close friends since meeting at

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<v Speaker 1>Baranella High School, a town in northeast Victoria. Friends and

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<v Speaker 1>family alike. Remember, they balanced each other out, vivacious and

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<v Speaker 1>confident with their own individual style. This probably wasn't surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>Both families moved around as the kids grew up, so

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<v Speaker 1>they had a mix of friends. The two sus as

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<v Speaker 1>they were known, were also the eldest in their clans.

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne had a brother and two sisters, Susan a younger brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Bartlett.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we moved to Banilla from a place called MacArthur,

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<v Speaker 2>which is down in the Western district, where my mother

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<v Speaker 2>was a housekeeper. And then we moved when I was

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<v Speaker 2>about six, so Susan would have been nine ten, and

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<v Speaker 2>we moved onto a property that was about ten kilometers

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<v Speaker 2>out of Banana, and then from there we moved into

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<v Speaker 2>the town which was about three or four hundred meters

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<v Speaker 2>from the school and basically either rodeo bikes or walk

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<v Speaker 2>to school from there. I suppose it's hard when you're

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<v Speaker 2>like you're going up, you think about what you're going to,

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<v Speaker 2>what you're going to do. But she always thought that

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<v Speaker 2>she liked instructing and with after school things at the

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<v Speaker 2>high school. She was always sort of participating in not

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<v Speaker 2>just after school activities, but she was involved with involved

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<v Speaker 2>with the band in terms of organizing things for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne's family was even more transitory, as sister Gail Armstrong recalls.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to three schools in Banilla. Started off at

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<v Speaker 3>Banilla West and then went to Banilla East, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I went to the high school. I think Suzanne only

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<v Speaker 3>went to the high school.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a big sister, what do you remember from

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<v Speaker 1>those years?

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<v Speaker 3>Not a real lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Gee, was she a good sister? Bossy boots? Was she?

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<v Speaker 3>She would have been good.

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<v Speaker 1>She was always good.

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<v Speaker 3>We always got on well, yeah we all did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay. Now, when Suzanne first met Susan, do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that? Do you recall them together when they were

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<v Speaker 1>early teenagers, young teenagers? Well, that would have been when

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<v Speaker 1>she was at high school in Banilla.

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<v Speaker 3>When she met Sue. Yeah, I just remember her being

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<v Speaker 3>them being friends and we used to go around there

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<v Speaker 3>and it was great. She had a lovely Mum and Martin.

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<v Speaker 3>They're a lovely family.

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<v Speaker 1>The teenagers were growing up at a time of exciting

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<v Speaker 1>musical change, with bands like The Beatles and the Rolling

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<v Speaker 1>Stones providing a backdrop to broader cultural and political upheaval,

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<v Speaker 1>and the girls loved it. They even saw The Fab

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<v Speaker 1>Four perform at Melbourne's Festival Hall in nineteen sixty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Gail says there was only one band for her big sister,

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<v Speaker 1>The Beatles. She's all them.

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<v Speaker 3>She did, and I don't know whatever happened to it,

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<v Speaker 3>but she had a man's shirt that she must have

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<v Speaker 3>put the Beatles on and they signed it. It disappeared somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>How did she get to them to get them to

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<v Speaker 1>sign it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got no idea now, don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That was when they were in Australia, obviously, yep, a

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<v Speaker 1>bit intrepid. Yeah, the two friends actually took the bus

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<v Speaker 1>from Vanilla to see the band and they never forgot it,

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<v Speaker 1>nor did their friends and family.

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<v Speaker 2>She loved the Beatles. She went when they came. She

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<v Speaker 2>and a group of people from Banilla. They traveled from

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<v Speaker 2>Banilla down to Festival Hall to see the battle. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she loved She loved that style of music and whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>not so much the heavier side, but Carlie Simon and

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of lighter style of country music.

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<v Speaker 1>Susan continued seeing live bands as she studied and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>started teaching at Broadford, a country town a bit closer

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<v Speaker 1>to Melbourne. Suzanne was more into alternative theater and a

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<v Speaker 1>regular in a city venues like La Mamma and the

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<v Speaker 1>Pram Factory. Exploring the world was another passion the two

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<v Speaker 1>sous shared, and one that would have significant bearing on

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of their lives. But Gail Armstrong is steadfast

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<v Speaker 1>in her own down to earth description of her sister. Normal,

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<v Speaker 1>just a normal.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just normal and a healthy She was a healthy girl.

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<v Speaker 3>So she had had a veggie garden and a healthy

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<v Speaker 3>food when healthy food wasn't really what you did.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you say she had a veggie garden was

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<v Speaker 1>out at Easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Street, I'm pretty sure she did. She didn't have much

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<v Speaker 3>room there, but I'm pretty sure she had some veggies growing.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing that I remember, just when you

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<v Speaker 1>say that she loved dogs, I remember you talking about

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<v Speaker 1>that too, And she had a dog there, Mishkah. And

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<v Speaker 1>she also I had an English sheep dog while their

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<v Speaker 1>professional paths took them in different directions once they left school.

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<v Speaker 1>Their shared travel bug brought them back together in Greece

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<v Speaker 1>when Suzanne met up with Susan in nineteen seventy four

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<v Speaker 1>for an extended break skipping across the Greek islands. They

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<v Speaker 1>traveled to Aegina, Delos, Hydra, Mikinos, Patos, and eventually Naxos,

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<v Speaker 1>where Suzanne met a handsome young fisherman by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Manilus or Manny Margaritis. They fell in love and

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<v Speaker 1>she decided to stay on Naxos, a small traditional isle

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<v Speaker 1>that was still unfound by most tourists on the island

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<v Speaker 1>hop Susan, on the other hand, flew home to Melbourne

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<v Speaker 1>in early nineteen seventy five to pick up a teaching

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<v Speaker 1>position at Collingwood Education Center. She was a popular teacher

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<v Speaker 1>with students and colleagues alike. According to old friend cavel Zangelus,

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<v Speaker 1>she also remembers a very different Collingwood.

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<v Speaker 4>Lot of immigrant kids, a lot of non English speakers,

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot of families who needed a lot of support. Really,

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<v Speaker 4>they weren't coping very well, either for language reasons or

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<v Speaker 4>income or and also you know, the working class Aussies

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<v Speaker 4>weren't terribly enamored of education and teachers trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>suggest things to them. So those were the days.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Susan Barler arrived at the school, did you

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<v Speaker 1>feel an immediate rapport with her?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, we just got on straight away, and she

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<v Speaker 4>had a good sense of humor. And we were a

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<v Speaker 4>younger cohort at that stage. There were some really older

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<v Speaker 4>teachers that were a little difficult. The kids loved her

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<v Speaker 4>because she well made them feel real. A lot of

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<v Speaker 4>them called her Miss B. She didn't stand on ceremony

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<v Speaker 4>at school or anythink that's why the kids were quite

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<v Speaker 4>able to call her Miss B and she was very relaxed.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Suzanne was living with Manny and his family in Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>and not too much later she wrote to her younger

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<v Speaker 1>sister Gail with some pretty major news. She was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>Gail was too, so there was double celebration in the

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong family. Initially, Suzanne wrote to her sisters saying, the

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<v Speaker 1>happy pair and Naxos plan to marry. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>marry Manalis. I've decided it's the best thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I won't lead the same sort of life

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<v Speaker 1>if I was in Melbourne. But it will be a

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<v Speaker 1>very simple life, and I hope I have all the

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<v Speaker 1>comforts and conveniences I want. We won't be living here forever,

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<v Speaker 1>though we'd better not anyway. And we've ordered our wedding rings,

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<v Speaker 1>their fourteen carrot gold with final. But it didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>too long for various cultural differences and a maze of

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<v Speaker 1>international red tape, largely due to her being Australian, to

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<v Speaker 1>lead to a change of heart, at least on Suzanne's part.

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<v Speaker 1>In another letter, she wrote, boy, the things I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to do here, you wouldn't believe it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to run an inch, not supposed to sit with

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<v Speaker 1>my legs crossed, or reach up or sit cross leged

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<v Speaker 1>on the bed. Maybe they think the baby will fall out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not supposed to lift up my dog, Zebbie, or

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<v Speaker 1>lift anything. It's really incredible. Her mother and stepfather flew

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<v Speaker 1>to Axos to help with the new baby, and young

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<v Speaker 1>Greg brought Suzanne and Manalists much joy. They grew closer

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<v Speaker 1>even so by the end of nineteen seventy six, she

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<v Speaker 1>told him she was taking their new son home to

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<v Speaker 1>meet her family in Victoria just in time for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>But as Suzanne explained to Gail in another letter, she

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<v Speaker 1>bought a one way ticket home. I know it will

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<v Speaker 1>break his heart when I tell him I'm not coming back,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll tell him that the best thing is for

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<v Speaker 1>him to come to Australia. If he makes it there,

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<v Speaker 1>he will deserve another try. He keeps asking me if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming back, and of course I have to say yes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awful. Susan Bartlett meanwhile, was having a much less

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<v Speaker 1>stressful time working as an arts and craft teacher in Collingwood.

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<v Speaker 1>She loved the inner city vibe around the education center

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<v Speaker 1>and enjoyed the short drive from the apartment she was

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<v Speaker 1>sharing in Richmond in her VW Beetle.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That was I think one of her first cars. It

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of one of the original Vaultzies. And she

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<v Speaker 2>took it to the service station one time and said

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<v Speaker 2>to the can you check the oil and water? And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, Madam, these cars don't have it, don't have water,

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<v Speaker 2>They've got their air coll She didn't know. She wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>really mechanically minded.

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<v Speaker 1>Once Suzanne returned to Australia, Martin wasn't at all surprised

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<v Speaker 1>that his sister agreed to share a new house with

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<v Speaker 1>her and her new son, Gregory, but where they decided

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<v Speaker 1>to rent did surprise him, and it upset their mother.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, Collingwood was a different place to live than

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<v Speaker 1>the more middle class Richmond where Susan had such a

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<v Speaker 1>lovely apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very nice, a good spot right opposite

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<v Speaker 2>the MCJ And basically when Susan Armstrong came back with

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<v Speaker 2>greg Gregory that she said to Susan, looked, do you

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<v Speaker 2>mind if we get a place together, And that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing about Collingwood in those days is it I

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<v Speaker 2>am Fitzroy and all those places for probably a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more seedy than they are today, and the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of undesirables. And also there was a ineasy

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<v Speaker 2>straight on the next next corner up was a pub

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<v Speaker 2>and it was very much a pub on every corner

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<v Speaker 2>sort of place. It was sort of a of a

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<v Speaker 2>rougher area.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's fair to say Collingwood wasn't for everyone. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy seven, Paunch Hawks, one of Australia's most

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<v Speaker 1>respected photographers and a founding member of Circus OZ grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in the suburb.

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<v Speaker 5>When I grew up here in Abbotsford, which is part

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<v Speaker 5>of Collingwood, really the whole it was, you know, people

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<v Speaker 5>called it a slum, you know, that area down near

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<v Speaker 5>where my folks lived. All the sort of tanneries and

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<v Speaker 5>things in earlier times had been down there, so it

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<v Speaker 5>was actually small working class houses. But now of course

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<v Speaker 5>it's completely gentrified. You know. I lived there when I

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<v Speaker 5>was in my teens up till I was four until

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<v Speaker 5>Union when I was sixteen or something, and of course

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<v Speaker 5>now that's a long time I go. But really the

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<v Speaker 5>suburb I think has gone through a lot of changes,

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<v Speaker 5>especially in relation to say someone with like Johnson Street,

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<v Speaker 5>which is a street that runs through and the main

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<v Speaker 5>shopping strips that you know, semingly always having a metamorphois.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess it was the seventies that the whole theater

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<v Speaker 5>revival in Carlton happened, you know, LaMaMa and then the

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<v Speaker 5>people from the mum established in a bid to have

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<v Speaker 5>an Australian voice really because a theater in Australia had

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<v Speaker 5>always been important from England. People want to hear their

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<v Speaker 5>own stories in their own voice, and people set up

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<v Speaker 5>the Prime Factory as a collective, and out of that

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<v Speaker 5>came of course Circus. I was on a whole lot

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<v Speaker 5>of other small groups. But at the same time, the

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<v Speaker 5>whole joint was throbbing. Really, it was robbing with feminism.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean there was you know, women making films, there

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<v Speaker 5>was women having exhibitions, there was women artists, there were

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<v Speaker 5>women making radio programs, there were dancers all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>There was just stuff on, you know, really a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of places to go and people to meet.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Easy Street they'd been there for four months

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<v Speaker 1>before this terrible crime occurred. But in the two house

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<v Speaker 1>that shared the party wall, there were two sets of single,

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<v Speaker 1>very independent women alone. As Stevens lived next door. She

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<v Speaker 1>was a journalist with the Truth. Her housemate was a

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<v Speaker 1>restauranteur who was running restaurant with her partner up in

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<v Speaker 1>live On Street in Carlton. And then of course there

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<v Speaker 1>was Susan and Suzanne in the house next door, so

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<v Speaker 1>they would have fitted in into that scene you've just

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<v Speaker 1>described absolutely.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that there was such a lot of consciousness

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<v Speaker 5>raising going on, so that women were getting together to

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<v Speaker 5>talk about their lives and compare experiences and really discover themselves.

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<v Speaker 5>If you like, and certainly single women and single independent

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<v Speaker 5>women were very welcome, you know, they were the bulk

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<v Speaker 5>of it, really.

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<v Speaker 1>So the two suits were right in the thick of

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<v Speaker 1>things as they set up their three bedroom home in

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<v Speaker 1>Collingwood towards the end of nineteen seventy six, and Martin

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<v Speaker 1>Bartlett often visited his sister in Easy Street.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I did you know, we had barbecues and whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a sort of a good mating place,

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<v Speaker 2>very homely and terms to me. The only thing about

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<v Speaker 2>it was that it was on the lane, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think from that I just thought with a party wall

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<v Speaker 2>on that side, it was a bit dark. But other

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<v Speaker 2>than that, no, no, it was a good place.

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<v Speaker 1>The party wall Martin's referring to is the common wall

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<v Speaker 1>the two cottages shed running along the hallway. Susan's former

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<v Speaker 1>teaching colleague Cavell's Angelus also clearly recalls the house an

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<v Speaker 1>Easy Street.

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<v Speaker 4>The big hallway right down to the open area at

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<v Speaker 4>the back, which was you know, the kitchen and basically

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<v Speaker 4>the living area, and then you know outdoors to the

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<v Speaker 4>loo and the little backyard. But I remember it was

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<v Speaker 4>always decorated, you know, there were posters on the wall

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<v Speaker 4>and lefty ones of course, you know anti war and

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<v Speaker 4>cartoony ones too. They often had turns on the fridge.

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<v Speaker 1>While Susan taught, Suzanne took on a couple of jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>one driving computer data around town in a little navy

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<v Speaker 1>blue masdavan, the other babysitting for her employer's wife, now

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<v Speaker 1>retired community lawyer, Judith Pearce.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't a long relationship, but given that she was

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<v Speaker 6>looking after the children and so we'd spend time together

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<v Speaker 6>and we would try and reciprocate because she was a

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<v Speaker 6>single mother, then it was quite a close and intense relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Judith also recalls seeing Suzanne at parties and describes a

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<v Speaker 1>singularly independent young woman.

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<v Speaker 6>She was absolutely beautiful. She had long, long hair and

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<v Speaker 6>a beautiful face. She had the most outgoing, friendly, loving personality,

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<v Speaker 6>and so she was highly sought after by the men.

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<v Speaker 6>And so one would be having a lovely time and

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<v Speaker 6>then Sue would come in and it was like the

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<v Speaker 6>bees around the honeypot. She was probably one of the

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<v Speaker 6>very early feminists who lived their life the way they

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to live their life, and so she didn't wasn't constrained,

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<v Speaker 6>I should say by the norms of the time, which

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<v Speaker 6>it's hard to remember, but forty five years ago, a

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<v Speaker 6>single mother was regarded very poorly by society. She just

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<v Speaker 6>accepted that she had her life. I mean, she was

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<v Speaker 6>very determined to live the life she wanted to live

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<v Speaker 6>and see the people she wanted to see and do

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<v Speaker 6>the things she wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Then one morning in that second week of January nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, Susan didn't turn up to babysit for Judith

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<v Speaker 1>Pierce and her sister.

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<v Speaker 6>I was expecting her to come over to my house

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<v Speaker 6>where I was with my sister, and she didn't turn up,

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<v Speaker 6>so we rang, she didn't answer, And then later I

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<v Speaker 6>drove past her house and stopped outside the house, and

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<v Speaker 6>I had my daughter in the car. And I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know why, and have thought about it a lot to

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<v Speaker 6>this day as to why I didn't go into the house.

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<v Speaker 6>And I regret it because Gregory was in his cot

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<v Speaker 6>But in lots of ways, I'm glad that I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>see what would have been a horrendous scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Hearing about the murders was shocking too. For Susan Bartlett's

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<v Speaker 1>friend Cavell's Angelus.

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<v Speaker 4>Look I just had a shiver right through my body.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I was up on Mount Hotham with some friends.

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<v Speaker 4>It was summertime, of course, and we were driving. There

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<v Speaker 4>were two cars, and my girlfriend and I were in

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<v Speaker 4>one car and our husbands were in another car with

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<v Speaker 4>you kids and stuff. And I had the radio on

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<v Speaker 4>and I heard the newsflash that there had been murders

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<v Speaker 4>in Collingwood. No, I can't even remember whether Easy Street

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<v Speaker 4>had been mentioned, but they did say it was two women,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just knew immediately who it was. So I

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<v Speaker 4>hailed the other car and said, you know, I've got

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<v Speaker 4>to go back, and you know, dashed back to where

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<v Speaker 4>we were staying and rang. Then I just knew it

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<v Speaker 4>was it was them.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Bartlett's last visit to one four seven Easy Street

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<v Speaker 1>is even more haunting. He and Susan had arranged a

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<v Speaker 1>dinner date for Monday, January tenth, the meal of Big

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<v Speaker 1>Sister's bribe for her brother to fix hery stereo again.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd already done it a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this the last time was something to do

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<v Speaker 2>with a speaker in terms of being disconnected or pulled

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<v Speaker 2>out or whatever. But yeah, that was the last time

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<v Speaker 2>I was over. There was fixing that my sister liked

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<v Speaker 2>to cook, and more so than says Anna and whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>And that day she'd been I think making address too.

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<v Speaker 1>She's incredibly handy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she was very good. She's very good at sewing

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<v Speaker 2>and my krama and knitting up rugs and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>She was very very good at that and liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>So how long were you there that night, mart? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember an hour?

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of hours, probably at least a couple of hours. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in those days, I had a girlfriend at

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<v Speaker 2>at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>She came over and that night, what was the vibe like?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that? Was it just an ordinary night?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't remember anything?

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<v Speaker 5>There wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think the weekend before that they had a party,

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<v Speaker 2>a house party, of which I can't remember too many

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<v Speaker 2>of the people that were there, but obviously Susanne Armstrong

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<v Speaker 2>was there, and she had a couple of friends, and

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<v Speaker 2>Susan had a couple of friends, wasn't It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people, but some of my friends came and

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you left there was you didn't notice anything underward,

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a normal night.

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<v Speaker 2>No, just normal. It was one of those things. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't observe anything or wasn't looking for anything or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>After dinner, Martin and his sister agreed to catch up

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<v Speaker 1>the following week. He and his then girlfriend drove home,

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<v Speaker 1>and with Greg asleep in his cod Susan and Suzanne

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<v Speaker 1>sat down to watch The Sullivans, one of their favorite

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<v Speaker 1>TV shows. It must have seemed like a quiet end

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<v Speaker 1>to relaxed, happy evening for everyone, but three days later,

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<v Speaker 1>the two Sue's bodies were found and two families lives

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<v Speaker 1>were shouted.

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<v Speaker 2>My girlfriend rang me at work and said there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a murderer in Collingwood that found whatever, and I said, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I rang their home and a guy answered and

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<v Speaker 2>he said who are you? And I said who I was,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said you better come down here, and I go.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me any more? He said nah?

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<v Speaker 4>So that was it.

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<v Speaker 5>I sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>Was working in Boward and I thought all the way

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<v Speaker 2>down there when I drove, that's strange, wonder what you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and not thinking the worst, but just obviously what could

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<v Speaker 2>have happened. And when I got there, they so basically

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to interview me for you know when we

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<v Speaker 2>last hear, who did you talk to? All that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. And then from there it was a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of going to the police station. Whether it was that

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<v Speaker 2>day or the next day, I can't remember, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then to make a statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time. On the Easy Street murders.

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<v Speaker 3>She saw him turn and leave with a knife in

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<v Speaker 3>his hand, and then the.

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<v Speaker 1>Car sped off what I's on, heading up towards Snith Street.

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<v Speaker 3>She herself was possibly in some sort of danger till.

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<v Speaker 1>This day, until I die.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm convinced there were two killers, not one.

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<v Speaker 5>H