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Speaker 1: By the time Susanne Armstrong and Susan Bartlett moved into

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Speaker 1: Both families moved around as the kids grew up, so

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Speaker 1: they had a mix of friends. The two sus as

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Speaker 1: they were known, were also the eldest in their clans.

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Speaker 1: Suzanne had a brother and two sisters, Susan a younger brother,

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Speaker 1: Martin Bartlett.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we moved to Banilla from a place called MacArthur,

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Speaker 2: which is down in the Western district, where my mother

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Speaker 2: about six, so Susan would have been nine ten, and

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Speaker 2: like you're going up, you think about what you're going to,

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Speaker 2: what you're going to do. But she always thought that

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Speaker 2: she liked instructing and with after school things at the

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Speaker 1: Suzanne's family was even more transitory, as sister Gail Armstrong recalls.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to three schools in Banilla. Started off at

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Speaker 3: I went to the high school. I think Suzanne only

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Speaker 1: And as a big sister, what do you remember from

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Speaker 3: Not a real lot.

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Speaker 1: Gee, was she a good sister? Bossy boots? Was she?

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Speaker 3: She would have been good.

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Speaker 3: We always got on well, yeah we all did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. Now, when Suzanne first met Susan, do you

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Speaker 3: When she met Sue. Yeah, I just remember her being

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Speaker 3: and it was great. She had a lovely Mum and Martin.

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Speaker 1: The teenagers were growing up at a time of exciting

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Speaker 1: and the girls loved it. They even saw The Fab

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Speaker 1: Gail says there was only one band for her big sister,

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Speaker 1: The Beatles. She's all them.

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Speaker 3: She did, and I don't know whatever happened to it,

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Speaker 1: How did she get to them to get them to

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Speaker 1: That was when they were in Australia, obviously, yep, a

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Speaker 1: Susan continued seeing live bands as she studied and eventually

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Speaker 1: And when Susan Barler arrived at the school, did you

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Speaker 1: In another letter, she wrote, boy, the things I'm not

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Speaker 1: Greg brought Suzanne and Manalists much joy. They grew closer

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Speaker 1: But as Suzanne explained to Gail in another letter, she

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Speaker 1: It's awful. Susan Bartlett meanwhile, was having a much less

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Speaker 1: Once Suzanne returned to Australia, Martin wasn't at all surprised

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Speaker 1: After all, Collingwood was a different place to live than

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Speaker 1: So it's fair to say Collingwood wasn't for everyone. Back

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Speaker 5: I guess it was the seventies that the whole theater

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did you know, we had barbecues and whatever,

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Speaker 4: The big hallway right down to the open area at

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Speaker 1: While Susan taught, Suzanne took on a couple of jobs,

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Speaker 6: I was expecting her to come over to my house

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Speaker 1: Hearing about the murders was shocking too. For Susan Bartlett's

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Speaker 4: Look I just had a shiver right through my body.

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Speaker 1: Martin Bartlett's last visit to one four seven Easy Street

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Speaker 1: is even more haunting. He and Susan had arranged a

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Speaker 2: I was over. There was fixing that my sister liked

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Speaker 1: And that day she'd been I think making address too.

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Speaker 1: She's incredibly handy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she was very good. She's very good at sewing

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Speaker 1: So how long were you there that night, mart? Do

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Speaker 1: She came over and that night, what was the vibe like?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Was it just an ordinary night?

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Speaker 1: You don't remember anything?

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Speaker 5: There wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think the weekend before that they had a party,

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Speaker 2: Susan had a couple of friends, wasn't It wasn't a

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Speaker 1: So when you left there was you didn't notice anything underward,

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Speaker 2: My girlfriend rang me at work and said there's been

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me any more? He said nah?

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Speaker 4: So that was it.

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Speaker 2: Was working in Boward and I thought all the way

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Speaker 2: I wanted to interview me for you know when we

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Speaker 1: Next time. On the Easy Street murders.

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Speaker 3: She saw him turn and leave with a knife in

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Speaker 1: Car sped off what I's on, heading up towards Snith Street.

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Speaker 3: She herself was possibly in some sort of danger till.

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Speaker 1: This day, until I die.

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Speaker 3: I'm convinced there were two killers, not one.

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