WEBVTT - Jets Training Camp Update with Peter King (7/27) 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:06.760 Welcome to the Official Jets Podcast. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.240 We were presented by Win Beat Bettings, a team sport 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.440 bet together it went bet Eric Aallan with Peter King. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.120 We are here inside the studio at one Jets Draw. Peter, 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.640 how many years is this for you on the training 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:20.240 camp circuit? 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.840 Well, this is my fortieth year, Eric, covering the NFL 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.720 fortieth season. I should say my first year was nineteen 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:34.360 eighty four, covering the Cincinnati Bengals, and it was slightly 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.720 different in those days because virtually every day of a 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:44.599 six week training camp in Wilmington, Ohio, which as I'm 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:48.880 sure you well know, is the corn capital of Ohio. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:55.160 And to say it was warm and toasty there virtually 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.040 every day, I'm just glad I didn't have to play 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.400 in it. Because the majority of days the Bengals had 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.720 two a days. They would practice from nine to eleven 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.600 in the morning three to five in the afternoon. And 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.280 I don't know why this sticks out to me, but 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.640 the majority of practices were in pads, and I just 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:21.560 thought to myself, this is really a hard job. And 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.320 I remember one day because for those who are big 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:30.840 fans of this game, the one thing in my career 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:36.920 that I truly regret is how many times I thought 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.520 to myself, I'm standing with Paul Brown, who is the 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.960 owner of the Bengals. I'm standing with Paul Brown watching 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.960 football practice, and I'm not writing anything down. I'm just 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.960 talking to him. I bet forty times that summer I 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:57.440 watched practice, the majority of practice with Paul Brown. And 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:04.320 I just consider myself highly, highly, highly fortunate to have 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:10.280 begun my career in an environment like that. And look 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.200 the other one thing I'll tell you about training camps 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.200 and how they've changed. My first year. It was either 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:17.880 eighty four or eighty five that I went to the 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.120 Pittsburgh Steelers camp in Latrobe. The PR guy there, Joe Gordon, 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.760 I said, I want to talk to a couple of players. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.079 So he gave me some options. I said, I'd love 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.440 to talk to Mike Webster, and so he said, Okay, 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.320 he's in room two fifty four over in the dorm. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.639 Just go over there and knock on the door. He'll 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:37.960 answer and he'll let you in. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:38.480 Wow. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:44.720 I mean, how access Eric, It's times have changed just 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.480 slightly in covering the National Football League. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.239 So fourtieth summer here, the Jets are your first stop 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.400 you have the veteran I what do you look for when. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.360 You come to a camp like the Jets. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.040 I took the lazy way out. I watched Aaron Rodgers 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.200 for an hour and forty minutes because I just wanted 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.080 to see what he did, who he talked to, what 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.080 he does. And there's a couple of things that occurred 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:16.120 to me. One is I think the Jets are really 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.960 lucky to have the defense that they do, because it 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:27.160 reminds me of the the cliche the iron sharpens iron cliche, 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:33.920 because Rogers is so precise with his throws that look 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:38.320 in practice he is going This is not the scattershooting 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.280 Zach Wilson where he's not the most accurate guy, at 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.120 least at this point in his career. It is one 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.080 of the most accurate throwers of the football in the 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.160 one hundred and five year history, one hundred and four 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:54.840 year history of the NFL. And so Sauce Gardner is 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.960 going to have a good experience here. The whole secondary's 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.360 gonna have a good experience. It's because during the week 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:07.160 they are going to be able to prepare for Josh 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.680 Allen into a tongue Aloe and Mac Jones and Dak 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.040 Prescott and whoever else is on their schedule because they 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.360 will not face a more accurate passer. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.000 And it just. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.520 Occurred to me watching this it was hard for Rogers 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.240 to complete a past in this practice. I saw, very hard. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.640 And the reason is that is a damn good secondary 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:35.320 and in my opinion, it's going to do major favors 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:36.039 for both of them. 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.279 Now, the practice session that you watched, Garrett Wilson accided 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.600 early he was getting his ankle looked at. Yeah, Robert 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.039 Sala thinks everything's fine there. Corey Davis also out with 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:52.480 a viral illness. What is the restruction of Rogers' contract? 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.560 What kind of message does that send internally and maybe 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.799 throughout the league as well? 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:04.480 You know, I asked him about it, and he basically said, 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:11.000 because look, a lot of players restructure their contracts, but 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.080 they don't say to the team, hey, here's thirty five 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.400 million dollars back or whatever the number is. I've seen 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.480 the reports and I don't know. I asked him about it, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.800 and he didn't wasn't specific and exactly what he had 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.919 given up. But clearly, if he had done nothing with 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.120 this contract, he would have made a lot more money 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.720 over the life of this contract, but he also would 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:42.880 have severely hamstrung the Jets. And my feeling about it 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.719 is it reminds me a lot of what Tom Brady 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.280 used to do when I forget what year it was, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:57.880 but after one of his Super Bowl years, his compensation 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.279 that year he was going to be the twenty third 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.800 highest paid quarterback, and you just say, well, you know, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.960 and Brady's whole attitude was, look, if they're spending to 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.680 the cap, if they're taking this money and going to 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:14.520 spend to the cap, I'm fine with it. And plus, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.080 we all know quarterbacks in the NFL, especially ones who 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:23.200 win Super Bowls, can walk out of their homes and 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.520 sign an hour's worth of autographs and make a million 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.680 dollars or whatever the silly sum is. So it's almost like, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.359 I'm sure, and Aaron Rodgers said, this is what makes 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.880 me happy. I did this because I wanted to do it. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.360 Nobody forced me to do anything. I wanted to do this, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:49.520 and so I think it should probably endear him even more. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.800 I would think that the fan base is swooning over 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.040 him as it is, but that should probably endear him 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.440 even more to the fan base. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.279 It's the honeymoon stage right. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.800 But he said it repeatedly that he's having a blast here. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.799 Yeah, you just talked to him within the last hour. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:10.000 Do you sense that. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.239 I think he because I talked to him. We talked 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:23.640 openly about how you said this offseason, I'm ninety percent retiring, 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:30.679 and so I've thought all off season, what a risky 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:35.840 deal for the Jets. Joe Douglas man if Aaron Rodgers 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.040 if the Jets finished nine to eight, and Aaron Rodgers says, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:45.280 I'm not having fun, I'm retiring. I mean, it's not 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.720 going to be a good look for Joe Douglas or 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:52.240 for the Jets. But it sounds very much like Rogers 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.800 is going to play at least two more years. So 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.720 it sounds like now. But Eric, a lot of things 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.840 can be he said in a honeymoon period, A lot 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.640 of things can be said in July. You look back 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:09.680 in February and you look back and you say, boy, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:15.120 was that sounds naive now? So you don't know. But yeah, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.520 I'm like everybody else, I would anticipate Rogers. I'm not 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:25.160 saying he was delirious. He's a pensive human being. But 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:31.320 he definitely is is really really enjoying it. And you know, Eric, 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.720 one of the things he talked a lot about, he said, listen, 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:39.360 I've never played for a defensive head coach before, and 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.400 I really like this Robert saw and he said, I 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:49.120 like him because we talk. I might come up with 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.920 an idea and he might take the idea and do it. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.120 And sometimes he might say it's a good idea, We're 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.440 not going to do that. And Rogers had a big 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.200 smile on his face, and he goes, I kind of 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.160 love that. I just want somebody to listen to me 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.880 and then let's talk about it and then do what 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:12.959 you want to do. I just want to be heard, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.720 you know. And I got the distinct impression that Robert 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:25.160 Salah and Joe Douglas, he feels are excellent sounding boards 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:32.280 for his idea. He also talked very, very admiringly of 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.960 Joe Douglas. And look, it's clear, all right, the Green 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.520 Bay Packers do things one way, okay. Brian Gudakutz, the 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:45.760 general manager, I think, by his peers, by people who 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:50.000 work there, by almost everybody in the building, is a 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:54.079 highly regarded guy. And I think Aaron Rodgers chafed at 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.920 times with the fact that they didn't have his open 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:02.280 line of communications. That's been very clear, widely reported. But 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.840 I also think that the Packers have a way of 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.520 doing things, and it's very difficult, isn't it to sit 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:16.160 back here and say, well, the Packers' way is my 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.480 way or the highway. So that's not the right way 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:23.080 to do it. Well, for the last thirty thirty five years, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.280 how's that way worked pretty damn good. And so I 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.480 just think, you know, as Rogers told me, he goes, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.040 you know, sometimes it's just time. And I think and 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.560 he said that pretty much since he signed here, and 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:43.760 I think he felt like it was just time. And 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.480 I think it was smart. He knew it, The Packers 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.560 knew it, because, make no mistake about it, you know, 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:57.920 he felt it. The Packers wanted Jordan Love to play 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:02.400 after a lot of their communication issues with Rogers early 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:07.560 in this offseason. Right or wrong, fair, unfair, That's the 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:14.240 way they went. And it's eerily, incredibly bizarrely familiar in 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.839 all ways to fifteen years ago when Brett Favre came here, 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.320 and it's it's the exact same story all over again. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.439 A guy sits on the pines for three years after 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.880 being drafted low in the first round. Aaron Rodgers did 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.080 it two thousand and five, six and seven. Now Jordan 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.240 Love has done it twenty twenty one, twenty two. Now 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:41.920 it's Jordan Love's time. And you know, I think that 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:48.120 there is kind of a lot of poetic justice in 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:55.200 what happened. And I believe that Aaron Rodgers will give 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.360 the Jets more time than Brett Farv did. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.839 Far of and O wait, Jets started eight and three, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:04.080 then he got. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.920 You remember the eleventh game, the eleventh game against Tennessee. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:12.360 The Titans, undefeated, were ten and zero in Nashville. The 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.960 Jets beat them nine hundred to nothing. And that was 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:21.920 And how crazy is this? Who's on the offensive staff 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:27.200 of the New York Jets then Brian Dabole. And it's 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:37.600 just there's so many great storylines about Farv, Rogers, Jets, Jets, Packers, Packers. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.240 It's just it's a cool, cool story. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.959 Do you think the Jets enter this season with a 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:50.360 target on their back? Because listen, everybody, to a man, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.600 they know the steps they took last year. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:54.800 It's also a talented roster. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:13:00.880 Now you add a former four time NFL MVP who's 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:05.200 ready to roll and had not it been for the 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.840 injuries and then stability at quarterback last year. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.840 The Jets are a playoff team. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.560 But you get a sense, at least from here that 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.079 a lot of people are saying, okay, Jets, go out 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.520 and prove it. Where I don't know if anybody has 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.680 said anything Outland is coming from Florida Park. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:28.040 No, I'll tell you this, and it's look, Eric, you 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:34.880 know everyone in this building. They're going to be amiable, 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:40.320 They're going to be pleasant to everybody from NFL films. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.040 Here to do hard knocks. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:47.960 The Jets are dreading going through this training camp with 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:53.800 hard knocks. You know, cameras on them, and I don't 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.920 blame him. This is not the time for them to 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.320 be shouting from the rooftops. Hey look at us, and 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.280 they don't want to. Robert Sala definitely doesn't want to. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:10.760 Rogers definitely doesn't want to. But you know, and look, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:15.920 I'm not down on hard knocks, but I do think 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.200 had I been the NFL in look, they're gonna get 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:24.400 some nice stuff. They always do. They're gonna get some 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:31.080 nice stuff, But I would want hard knocks in my place. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.360 If I had something that I wanted to show, I 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.400 wanted to prove whatever, like to me this year, like 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:45.359 wasn't it? It was Detroit last year and Detroit was fantastic. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.760 Those were good shows because that was a team that said, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.840 ah the spotlight, let's have it. And let me just 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.840 say this, I think a fantastic team this year would 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.880 have been Washington, you know, with you know, the honeymoon 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.200 of the new owner and the ding Dong Witch, the 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.960 Witch is Dead stuff with Snyder and some real hope 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.120 for the first time in forever. And again look, as 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.040 I said, they will have some moments with Aaron Rodgers. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.600 And of course everybody in the NFL said the only 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.440 team we wanted was the Jets, and I believe that, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.000 but I think they're gonna have a hard time spicing 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:28.520 this one up. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.560 Shout out to the Jets in house production team because 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:38.040 one Jets Drive actually debuts August seventh, Monday night before 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.320 Oh right, yeah, and they do a fantastic job. And 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.120 now we continue to do a fantastic job. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.360 Jets fans. We're in our final push and the clock 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.160 is ticking. 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Can he compare it to anything if 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.960 he won big in New York? Well, because obviously his 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.560 legacy cement is for him individually. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:42.280 But I think, I think, honestly, I think Aaron Rodgers 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.800 to be a top three, top five of all time. 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.800 He's got to win more. I think he's got to win, 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.560 whether it be a Super Bowl or take the Jets 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.720 deep into the playoffs or something like that. For a 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.240 very simple reason. If you look at the people who 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.680 were considered, and look, I don't it's such a ridiculously 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:11.439 subjective list. I know that on my list, Tom Brady 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.760 would be on top, Otto Graham would be number two, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.879 and Joe Montana probably would be number three. And everyone 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.800 would say, what is Otto Graham doing there? And I say, well, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:28.400 he played professional football for ten seasons. In ten seasons, 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.960 he played in the championship game, and in seven seasons 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.600 he won his team won the championship, his Cleveland Browns team. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.560 And people might say, well, geez, he only played ten years. Well, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.560 the world was different and football was a lot different 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.040 seventy years ago, and what football was back in the 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.639 day was it was a game that you didn't play. 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:59.120 Most players didn't play for longer than seven, eight, nine, 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:04.280 ten years. And now obviously it's different. But I think 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.080 if you are looking logically and you want to consider 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:15.119 all of history, history's written by the winners. And I 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.840 think Aaron Rodgers needs to win more to prove that 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.439 he should elbow his way into the top three or 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:24.320 five of all time. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.640 Would it be Mark Messier and steroids. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:34.000 Well or or or it would be a little bit mindful. 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.280 It would be a little bit mindful of Tom Brady 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:43.320 going to the Bucks because everybody thought the Bucks were 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.680 lost sheeps in the pasture of life in the NFL, 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.200 and they obviously win a Super Bowl. It's a little 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.480 bit different than the Rams because the Rams were coming 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.120 when Matthew Stafford went there, you know, they had already 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.720 been to one Super Bowl would go so they were 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:08.120 not at the bottom of the pile. But I think 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:12.960 that's a great comparison about Mark Messier, because Messier was 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.520 on the greatest hockey team of his era. The Edmonton 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:20.680 Oilers came to the Rangers, and I don't maybe it's 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.600 too strong to say he willed them. They they had 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.680 some great talent, obviously, but I do think I think 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:34.680 that's a very good comparison because as with Messier, it'll 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.240 be much more. It'll be it'll be I shouldn't say 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.880 much more. It'll be a lot about Aaron Rodgers, the 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:47.399 person and the leader that if the Jets make it 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.800 to the Promised Land, that's one of the reasons why 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.920 they'll make it there. I'll just say one other thing. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.760 When I talked to Robert Salah here, he made this 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:02.399 point because I'm I say to I forget how I 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.800 worded it, but I said, because I was watching practice. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.919 I bet eighteen twenty times in an hour and forty minutes. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.720 He went up and he was talking to guys. He 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.800 was talking to receivers about a route he'd talked to. 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.879 He talked to Jeff all Break at one point, I 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:24.120 talked to a couple of defensive guys and Zach Wilson 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:29.040 he's talking to almost constantly. But and Robert Salas said, 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.760 I've never been around a player who was as much 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.280 of a coach as Aaron Rodgers is in this training camp, 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:40.240 and I think eric for this team. It's important for 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.240 a very simple reason that, if you think about it, 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:54.000 this offense is was invented by Matt Lafler, Nathaniel Hackett, 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:59.440 and Aaron Rodgers four years ago in Green Bay. And 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:05.040 so Matt, Matt Lafleur is not here, but Aaron Rodgers 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:11.199 and Nathaniel Hackett are, And the offense maybe isn't a 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.200 car and not exactly a carbon copy, but it's darn 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.159 close to that offense they ran in Green Bay that 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:22.840 was so successful. So I think that it is justice 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:29.679 and it is correct that Aaron Rodgers will essentially be 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.520 as close to an assistant coach. Yeah, a player coach 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:34.240 as you can have. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.240 The storylines after Rogers where you start. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.920 Obviously, that's the lead to any paragraph when you're talking 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.800 about the Jets but offensive rookie of the Year and 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:46.080 Garrett Wilson. 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:47.640 Okay, I'll give you, I'll give you my, I'll give 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.760 you my I'll give you my three other storylines. Okay, 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.000 is the offensive line going to be good enough? Is 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:58.800 it gonna hold up? Will mackay Beckton ever? And I'm doubtful, 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.680 I'm a little dubious. Will he ever become a real 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:08.200 prominent fixture here? As I say I have my doubts, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:14.080 that is really important because you know that. I mean, look, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.080 by the end of this year, I will bet that 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:22.760 a lot of Jets fans will say crap. Like I'm 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.760 a big Boston Red Sox fan, so I watch a 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.240 lot of the Red Sox games, and I say, man, 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.639 that Justin Turner comes over from the Dodgers. He's a 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.680 lot better than I thought he was. Okay, he's doing 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:37.040 more than I thought he would. 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:37.240 Do. 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.000 You know who you're gonna be saying that about Alan Lazard? 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.640 Alan Lazard, I could see him. I'm just gonna invent 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:53.080 this seventy catches nine touchdowns fourteen yards a catch. Alan 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.960 Lazard is gonna be a huge if he stays healthy, 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.679 He's gonna be a huge factor in this offense, I 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:05.199 think because just remember one thing about Aaron Rodgers. Okay, 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:07.680 Aaron Rodgers, and you saw it last year. One of 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.080 the reasons the Packers struggled so much is that he 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.600 was trying to get used to Aaron dobbson Christian Watson. 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.440 He certainly could have done more by being more involved 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.400 in the off season program, which he wasn't. So that's 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.719 his fault, but it's also his right. He doesn't have 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:29.680 to come in the off season. However, you see how 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:34.000 important chemistry is, and that's why I think I have 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:38.560 no idea how healthy you know, Randall Cobb is going 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:42.640 to be this year. You know, health is a big 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:44.800 concern about a lot of guys on that offense. But 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.439 that's why I think Allen Lazard is going to be 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.480 a big factor. But the one other thing I would 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:59.040 say is, you know, last year, relatively speaking, okay, the Jets, 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:04.719 especially defense, we're able to keep their guys on the field, 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.639 and you cannot take that for granted because that is 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:13.600 not something you can predict, and so I just say, look, 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:19.880 you know Sauce Read, you know the guys in that 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:26.600 second that is a playoff secondary right there. And I 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:30.359 think they've got enough of a pass rush. And you know, 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.280 on offense, you get Elijah vera Tucker back it was 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:37.400 a huge loss. You get Breeze Hall back maybe by 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.960 the opener, but at least by some time early in 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:45.080 the season. Who knows what happens with Dalvin Cook. Probably 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.200 there will be some verdict by the time people are 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:52.560 listening to this. But I do think that especially on defense, 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:57.520 I'll tell you what they would sign right now to 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.720 have the same health this year that they had last year, 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.879 because that is a top five defense if they all 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:04.720 stay on the field. 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.960 This has been fun and it always is. Let's go 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.320 out here on this. What do you make of the division? 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.840 The Bills three time defending. 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:18.000 It's effing brutal, That's what I make of it. I mean, 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.880 I said to Rogers, I mean, you got you got 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:27.600 Belichick twice, you got a Super Bowl contender, strong contender 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:33.080 in the Buffalo Bills. You had a rising star Miami team. 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.920 That's six of your seventeen games, right, We just had a. 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:38.680 Big time coordinator on defensive side. 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:39.560 Yeah, and. 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:46.679 And and although he might be hurt. And you know, 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.400 the other thing I would say is you gotta play 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.919 Dak Prescott and the Cowboys early. You gotta play Mahomes. 0:25:54.440 --> 0:26:00.880 You got this is this is a tough, tough division. 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:05.199 And one of the things I said to Rogers was, 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:07.960 you got those six games and then you step out 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.080 of your division and all you have to do in 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:15.360 January is beat Burrow and Mahomes. I mean, it's brutal. 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.560 Nothing he said. Obviously, he said the AFC is ridiculous, 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.480 but lazard. When I talk to him about that, I 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:29.439 thought he was very interesting. He basically said, look, you know, 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:34.240 and I'm paraphrasing Afriget his exact words, but basically, we're 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:38.040 learning to crawl here. You know, it's silly to start 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:43.119 worrying about this these goliaths on the outside. We have 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.000 to get as good as we can be, which is 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:47.400 the right answer, by the way, you know, we got 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.159 to get as good as we can be. And I 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:54.560 think right now, you know, Jets will take baby steps. 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.400 It's this occurred to me thinking about, you know, where 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:03.080 the Jets are right now. But Eric, the new York 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:08.800 Jets will be in training camp for I think twelve 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:12.560