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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. It's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Cherry's in the house.

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Speaker 1: We're back to basics. Yeah, we're doing a social sciences episode. Man,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're all right, man, we get to tear

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Speaker 1: it apart. You you believe in body language? Sure, watch this.

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Speaker 1: You're winking and shouldering and nodding your head and you're

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Speaker 1: loosening up and you're doing some weird biting thing. What

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Speaker 1: did I say? You said, I'm feeling silly. It's exactly

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Speaker 1: that's what I was saying. Now I'm crashing and he's down.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing good? Yeah? I'm hanging on by a thread.

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Speaker 1: Are you sure we can make it through this? Man?

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Speaker 1: You you can do this in your sleep? Okay, don't

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Speaker 1: go to sleep. Okay, it would be so boring. You

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Speaker 1: could theoretically do this in your sleep. Yeah, okay, I

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Speaker 1: got you. Yeah, um, so body language it is a thing.

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Speaker 1: When I was researching, I was like, this is junk science.

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Speaker 1: obviously junk science. Apparently it's very well established and well reputed.

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Speaker 1: I mean I understand, like, like, yes, there is such

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Speaker 1: evidence of evolution from an animalian ancestor. But the idea

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Speaker 1: done this one when I did. Yeah, we did that,

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Speaker 1: and I think two thousand nine, and I don't remember

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Speaker 1: Of course, body language is real and it can tell

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Speaker 1: Uh Dr Arabian back in said that in the first

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Speaker 1: a sixteenth century Scottish mathematician named John Napier, and he said,

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Speaker 1: if language was given to men to conceal there, oh

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Speaker 1: You do it, chuck now you you already do better.

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Speaker 1: That was dead on John Napier. It's not as good

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Speaker 1: um rightfully that it took took's age. You didn't have

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Speaker 1: body language as they approach you to survive. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick one, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: one researcher calls thin slices of experience. So Josha said

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Speaker 1: I basically should have been paid, But I was just eating.

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Speaker 1: I've never been into and cuts, whether it be a

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Speaker 1: and a little a little rarer in the middle obviously. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's my problem with the end of anything.

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Speaker 1: It's undercooked. You know about White people don't like to

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Speaker 1: eat the crust because it's called crust, And that might

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Speaker 1: be part of it. If like a hundred years ago

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Speaker 1: they named it like the butterfly Yeah, the butterfly slice,

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Speaker 1: people would have been like fighting for it, like the

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Speaker 1: butterfly slice is delicious. Yeah. Have you ever heard George

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Speaker 1: Carlin's little take on that end slice that everybody always

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Speaker 1: goes past. They're like, I'm not gonna eat that. That's

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Speaker 1: the poison piece of bread. I'll leave that for my

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Speaker 1: the crust, so is it. The crust is what's around.

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Speaker 1: But it's all crust. That's the problem with you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, it's nothing but crust. Yeah, not butt crust,

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Speaker 1: it's nothing but crust. I think the other weird man,

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Speaker 1: I think the other problem with the bread end pieces

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Speaker 1: the tail end is not very feasible or efficient to

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Speaker 1: make two crust pieces. No, but that frequently is the

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Speaker 1: finally mate, yeah, and then you stick some turkey in

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Speaker 1: it and weep quietly while you eat your terrible sandwich. Man,

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Speaker 1: thin slices. Where were we experience? Yes, this is a

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Speaker 1: you can just say no, but the person is like,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really mean that until you shake your head

422
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: but you say no slowly that you're really saying like

423
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: do not ask me again? Yeah, boy, I never thought

424
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: about that. The slow one really does mean something. Different.

425
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: It does, it adds, it bulks it up, you know,

426
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: um regulators. Uh. I think this is in a conversation

427
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: to let someone else know that maybe all right, it's

428
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: time for you to talk now, or it's time for

429
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: me to talk right, or it's time for us to

430
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: stop talking. Like looking at your watch and just getting

431
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: them walking away. That's yeah, that's body language. I guess

432
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: it is. It definitely speaks volumes. Um. There's adapters which

433
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: I guess have to do with the person listening, or

434
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: I guess anybody either one uh, making themselves more comfortable.

435
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, when you're in a conversation with somebody

436
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: and they just kind of shift in their seat like

437
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: settle in. Yeah, now they could be doing it differently

438
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: where they're fidgeting, they're shifting in their seat uncomfortably, like

439
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: they can't get comfortable. That say something totally different than

440
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: somebody who's just like settling in, just making themselves more comfortable.

441
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: Or I guess if you like, if you're having a

442
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: conversation and someone just sits up on the edge of

443
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: their seat, that kind of says we're done here, Sure,

444
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm about to get up. Yeah, so please say something enclosure. Yeah,

445
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: especially if you sigh while you do that too, you know. Yeah,

446
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: and then there's affect displaced. And these are the ones

447
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: that most people think of when they think of body language.

448
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: These are the ones that, um, you know, like where

449
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: you make that that face when you eat something putrid,

450
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: or your shoulders go up around your ears when you're

451
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: scared all of a sudden, Yeah, if you're mad. It's

452
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: emotional based. Yeah, emotion based, yeah, like your your eyebrows furrow. Uh.

453
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 1: There's just so much body language. I came across this

454
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: one guy from and m Argyle. No idea what the

455
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: M stands for, but in Professor m Argyle, a researcher

456
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: of body language, said that there's probably something like seven

457
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: hundred thousand words in the body language human body language.

458
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: I have no idea how he or she came up

459
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: with that seems high, But it's fun to throw out there,

460
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: junk science. You could say anything back then. And it's

461
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: as far as like social psychology, um, misinterpreting body languages.

462
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about that. That is very

463
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: easy to do. UM. They have one little anecdotal story

464
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: about a woman who was a consultant that I think

465
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: she was pitching in the CEO of a big company

466
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: and um, the guy just sat there basically with his

467
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: arms crossed and didn't emote. At the end, was just

468
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: like thank you, and she thought, well, I've blown this one.

469
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: And turns out that is just the way that guy is.

470
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Speaker 1: He loved he loved the jerk, he loved the presentation,

471
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: and Uh, if he hadn't liked it, he just would

472
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: have left, is what the partner said. I think. Yeah,

473
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: so you can easily misinterpret body language. UM, I don't

474
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: know if it's I guess it could be dangerous and

475
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: that well, I mean that's part of the problem. It

476
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: can be dangerous, especially when you apply it to law

477
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: enforcement like um. Paul Ekman. We talked about him heavily

478
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: in the micro Expressions episode because he basically studied micro

479
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: expressions through facial movement, facial muscle movement, and figured out

480
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: what each one meant, and he came up with the

481
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: Facial action Coding System the f a c S, which

482
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: apparently the FBI and other law enforcement agencies used to

483
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: tell whether you're lying or you're hiding something in an interrogation.

484
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: Misreading that that's dangerous, that's when it becomes dangerous for sure. Yeah,

485
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: this dude, I was talking about Joe Navarro, who was

486
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: a twenty five year vett of the FBI. He's written

487
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: a lot about body language, and he's one of the

488
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: ones that warns about the myths and misreading things. But um,

489
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: his uh. He wrote a whole article on shoulders and

490
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: he said everyone's always talking about the face and facial expressions.

491
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: He thinks you can read a lot into the shoulders

492
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: of a person, whether it's slumping or bowing up or uh.

493
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: And then he actually talked to criminals over his entire

494
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: career and said, what do you look for in a victim?

495
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: So if you're looking to not be victimized, you might

496
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: want to avoid these things looking frail or weak or

497
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: not athletic, work out, yeah, or just you know, try

498
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: and carry yourself like you're not frail or weak, you know.

499
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot to do with the shoulders. Um.

500
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Situational awareness, which is a big one. If you just

501
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: look like your have your head in the clouds, that's

502
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: a target what you're in your head about something? Yeah? Uh.

503
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: And then um, the way someone swings their arms, um

504
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: like vigor vigorously or real subdued, not at all like

505
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: on on episode. Yeah, that was it was that Roquel Welch. No,

506
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: it was um well yeah I ended up as Rockel Welts,

507
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: but it was Molly Shannon. Oh yeah yeah, yeah you

508
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: remember she like swept, Yeah, Elaine's desk just clean. Yeah, Shannon,

509
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: and she's one of my favorites. She's fantastic. Um so

510
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: what was Yeah, the arm swing and basically what these

511
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: criminals would say to him over and over. As you know,

512
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: their silver Backs don't go after other silver Backs. They

513
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: go after the weak ones. And they said, it's the

514
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: same with criminals. So I keep those shoulders straight. And uh,

515
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: I was like, what the silver Back? I forgot? It

516
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: sounds like a criminal corporate buzz speak. Yeah, you know

517
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: silver Backs. It's the local soccer team. How do you

518
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: not know what that is? Is it? Sure? That's what

519
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: I thought? Yeah? All right? Uh? What else we got? Oh?

520
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: These uh, these people that try and coach you. We're

521
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna mention that not jobs. I don't think they're not jobs, dude. Okay.

522
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: The one, the one person who emerges as the hero

523
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: from this article says, be very careful in trying to

524
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: pay attention to your body language and speak consciously through it,

525
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: because you're going to you're gonna have massive problems. That's

526
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: not what body language is intended for. So the people

527
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: who say no, master your body language and use it

528
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: to communicate, You're gonna come off as a creep, an aggressive, weirdo,

529
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: corporate creep if you do that. Well, yeah, I mean,

530
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: if you're making a presentation, it's hard enough to get

531
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: the words right. So if you start thinking like about

532
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: every single movement you make and what that conveys, don't

533
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think you're doing yourself any favors.

534
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: Or Like, if you go to again a car sales

535
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: car lot, right, and you're like, I'm going to make

536
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: sure I look very defensive and aggressive, so I'm going

537
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: to go rigid and my shoulders are gonna go up.

538
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: The car sales is going to be like that. That

539
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: guy's walking like a robot, I'm gonna take him for

540
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: a ride. You know, there's you, You just you could

541
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: conceivably speak through your body language more. I don't dispute

542
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: that you can become more aware of your natural body

543
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: language too. I don't dispute that either, but when you

544
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: focus on it and use it as a technique to

545
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: manipulate other people, I have issues with that. Well, here

546
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: was one idea didn't think was terrible, like if you're

547
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: if you do a lot of public speaking, then um,

548
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: maybe watching yourself with the sound off. Sure. I didn't

549
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: disagree with that one. That's not a terrible idea, I

550
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: think as a matter of fact, I was like, maybe

551
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe I should try that. Uh. The other technique that

552
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: was brought up was called mirroring. That means, and this

553
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: just sounds crazy to me. This is when you actually

554
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: try and mimic the person you're talking to, mimic their

555
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 1: body language and expressions too, I guess, to make them

556
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable to you. People are attracted to themselves

557
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: as the basis of it, so when you uh mimic them,

558
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: they feel more relaxed around you. Like I really like

559
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: that person. I like the cut of their jib. I

560
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: don't know, I can't put my finger on it. But

561
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: they're actually mimicking your own body language. If you're leaning

562
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: leaning against the wall, they're they're gonna lean against the

563
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: wall too. That's disconcerting, it is, that's that's nuts. You

564
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that to people. That's manipulative and weird, and

565
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: it just be yourself. How about that? Yeah, I think

566
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: this quote sums it up. I'm trying to learn. I'm trying. Sorry,

567
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: Trying to use body language by reading a body language

568
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: dictionary is like trying to speak French by reading a

569
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: French dictionary. So you can list off all the nonverbal

570
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: cues in the world. But if you try and learn

571
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: the body language quote unquote because of that, then you're

572
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: just gonna end up confused or you're gonna miss something

573
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: actually said. Yeah. And plus also context is huge to Like,

574
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: if you're just watching somebody's body language like a hawk

575
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: and a conversation, you don't necessarily know that person's baseline.

576
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: So what is by definition is body language dictionary. A

577
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: red flag doesn't necessarily mean it's a red flag with

578
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: that person, you know, like if they're yawning, are they

579
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: bored or are they nervous? Right, you gotta have context

580
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: and you can't just you can't just read people like that.

581
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: It's stupid go with your gut um, But I don't

582
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: think you should actively try to read it. If you

583
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: want to go ahead, I don't care I'm not going

584
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: to I did read an article with one um woman

585
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: who was an expert supposedly, and she did talk a

586
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: lot about the baseline. She's like, that's the most important

587
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: thing is you don't know. You gotta know how someone

588
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: normally is. Are they twitchy? Then? Uh, if you're they're

589
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: twitching a conversation, that's normal for them, right, So it

590
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can't trust what they're saying, right then,

591
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: it just means that they're a little awkward. Yeah, like me,

592
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: You're not awkward. Do you got anything else? Nope? Friends,

593
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: that is body language, and if you want to know

594
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: more about it, you can type these words body language

595
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: into the search bart how stuff works dot com. And

596
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: since I said friends, it's time for a listener mail. Uh,

597
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: this is from this is a question actually I said

598
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: we'd answer on the air. Hey, guys, been listening for

599
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: quite a few years, and you've seen me through a

600
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: lot of years of growth out of high school and

601
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: into my own as an adult. Of a question that's

602
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: been a challenge for me recently, I'm studying permaculture quite intensively.

603
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: In parts of the study are pretty depressing. My climate

604
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: change species lost in unfair trade. I try to reflect

605
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: positives only to my clients who are trying to grow

606
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: their own food, because they'd rather encourage them to sustain

607
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: themselves physically and emotionally than feel guilted or trapped into

608
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: changing a lifestyle. Realize that having the opportunity in time

609
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: to focus on ethical choices the luxury, and want to

610
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: avoid shaming people. I think this approach is good for

611
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: my own well being because tackling issues bigger than myself

612
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: seems more harmful than productive. But like you, part of

613
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: my job uh is education. Um So the question is

614
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: how do you guys deal with darker topics that you cover.

615
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the way you do it some uh

616
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: and it would like some insight and advice. How prevent

617
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: these topics from weighing too heavily on you and still

618
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: live a life of enjoyment yet conveying topics honestly? And

619
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: that is from Annales in Australia. UM. I think my

620
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: answer is like when we cover something like dementia or

621
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: HIV like we recently did, we're always going to have

622
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: humor in there, respectfully and in the right ways because

623
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: that's what we do. Plus also it helps when we're

624
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: getting this stuff across. It's not like it's not like

625
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: we're causing dementia. We're just saying, like, here's all the

626
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: information that that we found on this, here's everything you

627
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: need to know about dementia. And I think the thing

628
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: that that allows us to go from you know, lighthearted

629
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: topic to a very dark topic to whatever is that

630
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: we're we're putting it out there as objectively as possible,

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