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Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, Paul, here we go.

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Speaker 8: Listenership suggesting I've fixed the Wi Fi. No I left

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Speaker 8: my house, no more broadcast see in my house. Gonna

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Speaker 8: be back with you Monday, May twenty second, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 8: Episode four hundred and ten of the Anakin Florian Podcast,

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Speaker 8: presented by DraftKings. Anyone out there like bitcoin at Kenny

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Speaker 8: Florian on Twitter and on Instagram, So I mean, this

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Speaker 8: isn't breaking news to anybody who's following you on Instagram,

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Speaker 8: So this is fair game. I have a tracker on

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Speaker 8: Kenny now. Actually he was in Miami Beach about fifty

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Speaker 8: five minutes from my front door.

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Speaker 1: But I just saw you.

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Speaker 8: I got my Cannithalo Phil, But you were in Miami

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Speaker 8: Beach some sort of bitcoin convention. Ben Askron, Chris Cyborg,

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Speaker 8: Kenneth Allen, Florian. I saw you at a headset on

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Speaker 8: presumably talking about bitcoin and maybe a little bit of

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Speaker 8: UFC stuff as well. I mean, bro, what is going

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Speaker 8: on man? What was going on in Miami Beach? I

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Speaker 8: am all over the shop, dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So we had the Bitcoin conference put on by Bitcoin

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Speaker 7: Magazine and I was invited to go. I've always wanted

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Speaker 7: to attend for whatever reason. I'm usually working or somewhere else,

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Speaker 7: and finally was able to go, and it was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: The bitcoin community, they're a special bunch.

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Speaker 7: You will find, like from the nerdy crew to like

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Speaker 7: athletic dudes like fighters obviously Ben Asper and Cyborg. As

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Speaker 7: you mentioned, we're there and we were all up at

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Speaker 7: the desk together and it was cool.

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Speaker 1: It's just cool to see.

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Speaker 7: So many different people, so many different backgrounds, so many

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Speaker 1: And it was an awesome weekend.

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Speaker 8: We haven't talked about bitcoin on these airwaves in a

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Speaker 8: long time, certainly during the global pandemic. I was monitoring

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Speaker 8: that shit every day and making a bunch of wayward purchases.

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Speaker 8: I don't even want to tell you the highest price

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Speaker 8: lot to get into today and we're not going to

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Speaker 8: spend any more time on bitcoin. But if you are

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Speaker 8: in the crypto currency space, ken flow says it's bitcoin

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Speaker 8: or nothing else, So take that for what it's worth.

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Speaker 8: So tons of fight announcements for UFC two ninety one.

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Speaker 8: I would like to get into Francis and Gano's signing

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Speaker 7: That place ended up being Africa. I mean, he is

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Speaker 7: I think that's probably partially responsible for why we're going

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Speaker 7: Or what I'm not so excited about all the time,

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Speaker 7: is seeing a fighter go outside of their realm of specialty,

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Speaker 7: similar to what Connor McGregor did against Floyd Mayweather and

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Speaker 7: I think hopefully people find it intriguing. I don't sew

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Speaker 7: Now, aunt Delia is one of those guys that the

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Speaker 7: I mean I think if Padata is the underdog, people

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Speaker 1: He's the dog?

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Speaker 8: Let's get to the Ray long Minute.

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Speaker 6: It's now time for.

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Speaker 2: The Ray Longo minutes.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna puts a holeless fucking shupside.

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Speaker 9: That's what I want, The Ray Long Minute.

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Speaker 1: Ray the John Nick and Kenny.

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Speaker 8: Florian And as I understand it, Ray Longo celebrated a

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much, forty years old. It was Kenny

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Speaker 6: Very nice, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 1: It was Kenny's text. Was Kenny's just the facts, right,

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Speaker 6: Facts at the very heartfelt text. But wait a minute,

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Speaker 6: how could this be everybody's favorite segment when you just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well did they not pull out? Tag it old?

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Speaker 6: Some times Johnson, John.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if I've seen it in the flesh,

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Speaker 6: So as listen, they could pull it out as long

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Speaker 8: So well, happy birthday. Thank you to go out for

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Speaker 6: No, I went out for steak, believe it or not.

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Speaker 8: I mean, we know you spit out the fat, leave

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Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you something. You guys are going

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Speaker 6: I go out, dude, not no fucking Maybe it's me

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Speaker 6: to eat nice Vietnamese place. They bring out like an

439
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Speaker 6: appetizer chicken wings and there's another guy there too, was

440
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Speaker 6: friend Jeff. And I eat my chicken wing. I throw

441
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Speaker 6: it on the on the plate right like ten minutes later,

442
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 6: he's like, somebody lifts some meat on the bone. I

443
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 6: know I'm your fighters, Nonny, So now I see the

444
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 6: other guy. He thinks it's the other guy's chicken wing,

445
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Speaker 6: which I don't even know what difference that would make.

446
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Speaker 6: He took the chicken wing, he started eating it again.

447
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Speaker 6: He cleaned the wh This can't be, is it me?

448
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,719
Speaker 6: I'm not even kidding around to go this is, but

449
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 6: he's he's announcing it. So Wideman made a mistake. He's

450
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 6: actually looking at an old chicken bone sitting there for

451
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Speaker 6: ten minutes and decides it's not properly cleaned.

452
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Speaker 8: Right, so justin Montalvo is proofreading your chicken wing is what.

453
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Speaker 1: You're telling on audience? Like, my wife sometimes leaves the

454
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Speaker 1: meat on the bone.

455
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Speaker 8: You know, I'm not afraid to go proof reread her

456
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Speaker 8: chicken wing, but she leaves a lot of meat on

457
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Speaker 8: the bone. It sounds like one of those guys too,

458
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 8: But yeah, you're fighters man.

459
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Speaker 6: Like, guy, listen, your wife's a little different. Yeah, the

460
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 6: guy for sure.

461
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, that's I'm glad that we got to that.

462
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we got to that. It was something

463
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Speaker 1: that you wanted to bring up.

464
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Speaker 6: I already have forgot. Hey a shout out to Santino DeFranco,

465
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Speaker 6: who also has a birthday on May twentieth, so I

466
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Speaker 6: knew there was something I loved about his co. There

467
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Speaker 6: you go, he's got the birthday being going. I love Yeah,

468
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Speaker 6: Happy birthday, Santino.

469
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Speaker 8: He is significantly younger than you. Why don't you tell

470
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Speaker 8: the audience how old you are?

471
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Speaker 1: Raymond?

472
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Speaker 6: What?

473
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Speaker 4: Hell y?

474
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Speaker 1: I'll look it up. If you don't want to let

475
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Speaker 1: us know how old are you?

476
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Speaker 6: Now, ray you're muted. I can't go to that.

477
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Speaker 8: I will tell you that my worst birthday was forty.

478
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Speaker 8: That was a tough one. That was a tough one,

479
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Speaker 8: ray long ago, born May twenty. Now we don't have

480
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Speaker 8: it here. So uh yeah, I'm gonna guess you like

481
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Speaker 8: sixty one. I feel like we celebrated number sixty pretty recently.

482
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 8: You look good, though, right, I mean, everybody says it.

483
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 8: Everybody acknowledges I do feel good.

484
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Speaker 6: But I turned sixty five, which is hard to even say. Man,

485
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Speaker 6: it sucks. Sixty five sixty five. Wow, Wow, is that razy?

486
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Speaker 6: It's just say you feel old, you guys? Forty three

487
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Speaker 6: you said something like that, forty two, forty one.

488
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be forty seven in a few days.

489
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Speaker 6: Man, Wow, So you're right, you're close to mats He's

490
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Speaker 6: going to be forty Is that crazy? Kenny, you're almost fifty?

491
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Speaker 6: I mean that nuts?

492
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Speaker 1: Howd that happen? You?

493
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Speaker 6: Elbowing guys? I feel like yesterday cutting them off white over.

494
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Speaker 8: He's trying to turn forty seven and you're creeping him

495
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Speaker 8: up to fifty. You know, now he has another kid,

496
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Speaker 8: he's going to feel awful. I mean, I feel like

497
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 8: I'm getting close there. Man, Damn, it's wild.

498
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 6: So wait, you had your first kid? How old were you?

499
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Speaker 1: What did you try to do to the guy?

500
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Speaker 9: Right?

501
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Speaker 1: Only forty two? My first kid at forty two? Late.

502
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Speaker 1: I started late. We had a lot of shit, eveything late.

503
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought I was late at like thirty.

504
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: Six before that point in time.

505
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Speaker 8: I had my son, my third and final child, ten

506
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Speaker 8: days before I turned forty, so I was a little bit.

507
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Speaker 8: But I had my first daughter when I was like

508
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Speaker 8: thirty one or thirty two.

509
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Speaker 6: Oh, I got okay, yeah, but yeah it gets crazy

510
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 6: as they get older and yeah, limping around all over

511
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Speaker 6: the place.

512
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, yeah, my son's going to own me.

513
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Speaker 6: Oh, and I hope your son's doing better. I didn't

514
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Speaker 6: even know about that. I'm sorry. When we talked too,

515
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Speaker 6: I felt horrible.

516
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you man. Slowly but surely we're

517
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: getting there. But I appreciate that. No, that's good, all right.

518
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Speaker 8: So, but I did just want to get your thoughts

519
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 8: quickly if I could. On the UFC, you know, pulling

520
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Speaker 8: out its figurative Johnson around the time of the Francis

521
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Speaker 8: and Ghanu news or not. But they announced UFC two

522
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Speaker 8: ninety one for Salt Lake City, Utah, and they say,

523
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 8: you know what, We're going to give you Dustin Poier,

524
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Speaker 8: Justin Gaetchee Behovich is going to welcome Alex Padada's a

525
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 8: light heavyweight division, Tony Ferguson's back against Bobby Green.

526
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh is that not good enough?

527
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 8: How about we'll give you a Paolo Costa against Bramollis

528
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 8: care of Derek Lewis on the card, your your guy

529
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Speaker 8: WB Michael Kissa against Kevin Holland it's just uh, if

530
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 8: you're a UFC fan, it's I mean, I can't. I

531
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 8: just got dozens of ticket requests for July twenty nine

532
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 8: as soon as all these fight announcements wow came in.

533
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask your thoughts on all that.

534
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Speaker 6: Right, Well, I guess, uh, Francis and Gano had to

535
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Speaker 6: put his Johnson back in his pants afterday. I mean,

536
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 6: I think that's is that the moral of the story.

537
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Speaker 1: Well, and that could take a long time. How dare

538
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: you john That could take a long time.

539
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Speaker 6: I'm yeah, yeah, no, that's crazy. You know they U

540
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 6: That's the one thing about the UFC will come on.

541
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Speaker 6: They make great matchups. I mean it's it's not like

542
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 6: a boxing thing. You know. They're going to fight everybody,

543
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 6: any place, anytime. Uh and sometimes as much as it

544
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Speaker 6: might be.

545
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Speaker 4: Uh.

546
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Speaker 6: And I think it's great. I think it's great.

547
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Speaker 8: What the what are your thoughts on the Francis and

548
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 8: Ghano signing with the PFL.

549
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Speaker 6: Look, I'm happy for anything Francis does. I think Francis

550
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 6: is a guy that took a stand. You know, he's

551
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 6: probably a little wacky in his demands. Obviously some of

552
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 6: those things seem, uh seem a little excessive, but Uh, look,

553
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 6: he took a stand, and I agree with Francis. I

554
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 6: think sometimes you deal with these people from other countries

555
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 6: and you get to see like a different perspective on things,

556
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Speaker 6: and I think, like what Francis said, I fulfilled my contract.

557
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 6: I did what you wanted. I'm gone. Why why why

558
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 6: can't you be happy for me? Why you're always taking

559
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 6: digs at me? You know. So you know, business is,

560
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 6: you know, crazy at times like that. But I like Francis.

561
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 6: I think, uh, you know, I I assume he's difficult

562
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Speaker 6: to deal with a little bit, but uh, he's taking

563
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Speaker 6: a shot. He knows he's got a small window, and uh,

564
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 6: you know, I think it's good for everybody what he's doing.

565
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Speaker 8: Well, I have some Aljamain Sterling stuff, So we're going

566
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 8: to hit you with the heavy stuff. Let's go, and

567
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 8: then we'll get into Mackenzie Dern and Anthony Fluffy Hernandez

568
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 8: and everything that transpired inside the octagon over the weekend.

569
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Speaker 8: But after this UFC Live event at the UFC APEX,

570
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 8: UFC President Dana White was asked about Aljamain Sterling and

571
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Speaker 8: Sean O'Malley, which seems, at the very least verbally agreed

572
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Speaker 8: to as the headlining about August nineteenth, UFC two ninety

573
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Speaker 8: two in Boston. That would amount to a very quick

574
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Speaker 8: turn for al Jamain Sterling. I wandered aloud at the

575
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Speaker 8: realism of this, or how realistic it was before it

576
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Speaker 8: was announced. So I want to read you some quotes

577
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Speaker 8: and then we'll get some comments from the Godfather Ray

578
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Speaker 8: long Go. So here's what Aljo had to say on

579
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 8: his podcast Weekly Scraps. I told them, yes, verbally agreed,

580
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Speaker 8: but of course my body has to agree. Going to

581
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Speaker 8: try to make this happen. This would be a sick,

582
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 8: insane turnaround. He went on to say, I'm still injured

583
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Speaker 8: with my legs banged up. My bicep still sucks. I'm

584
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 8: supposed to get another MRI on that. I'm trying to

585
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 8: get to this fight in August. We've talked a little

586
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 8: bit about it. We'll try to see if we can

587
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 8: make it happen. But my leg is still super sensitive

588
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 8: to the touch. I hope I'm not ruining ruining anything

589
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 8: by me saying that, but guys, I did just fight.

590
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 8: And then Dana White said, I think we got his

591
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 8: manager on the phone and stuff like that. It's just

592
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 8: Aljo's one of those guys that just can't get out

593
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 8: of his own way. Apparently he's in for the fight.

594
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 8: Why he said that, who knows the fight is on?

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Speaker 8: The fight is absolutely positively.

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Speaker 6: On, right, what do you want to what do you

597
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 6: want to have it?

598
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: Well?

599
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 8: No, I mean I would I would be remiss if

600
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 8: we didn't ask you here on a very long go.

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Speaker 1: Minute about all of that.

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Speaker 8: But uh no, I'm not asking you to tell us

603
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Speaker 8: as to whether or not this is happening. But I

604
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 8: wondered aloud at the uh at the viability of this

605
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 8: quick turn for Aljo, and now it seems like he

606
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 8: has some concerns.

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00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 6: Listen, man, I'll I don't everybody could do business the

608
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 6: way they want to do it. Let me just let's

609
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 6: backtrack to Morob. He beats you on in a five

610
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 6: round fight. Really, I think one of the best performances

611
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 6: against the top rated guy that you could see, how

612
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 6: he shut him down completely for five rounds, non stop.

613
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 6: You know, they offered him a fight five or six

614
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 6: weeks after that, right, I mean you think that's right?

615
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 6: After a five round fight like that, you think that's right.

616
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 6: They don't like the guy, you know, period. So now

617
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 6: Aljoe is a little longer, so that's I think it's

618
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 6: more acceptable. But I didn't know O'Malley was coming in

619
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 6: the ring that night. I mean, they had it set up.

620
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 6: They set that thing up right, so nobody knows O'Malley's

621
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 6: coming in. They had an agenda and they were going

622
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 6: to force it on everybody. So you know, whether it's

623
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 6: right or wrong, I don't know, but there's definitely not

624
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 6: a signed contract. And al Joe said he would fight.

625
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 6: He did say he would fight. He just wanted to

626
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Speaker 6: let his biby listen, let me give me a week

627
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 6: or two to see if my body heals up. That's

628
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 6: never that's not good enough for everybody. So they just

629
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 6: got to announce the fight. But the fight will happen

630
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 6: for sure, and he will beat the shit out of O'Malley.

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't care how he feels. Yeah, that's

632
00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 6: that's my take.

633
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: But Kenny, what are your thoughts on uh?

634
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 6: Motivates motivate him to a different level just by yeah,

635
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 6: I'm on board, you know, I mean you listen to

636
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 6: like O'Malley's team. I think they were saying, you know,

637
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 6: he'll have trouble making the weight. You know, we'll probably

638
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 6: be a little banged up. That's what I heard. I

639
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 6: didn't vet this or do any due diligence on it,

640
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 6: but you know, don't you think you want the best

641
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 6: alge you mean Sterling? Is that what you want? But

642
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 6: you want the guy that's banged up, you know. And

643
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 6: according to al Joe he o'mealley could have taken the

644
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 6: fight instead of so whuo we didn't want it? So

645
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 6: I don't know.

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00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, Kenny tim Welch, chief corner for Sean O'Malley, had

647
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 8: a lot of glowing things to say about al Jamain Sterling,

648
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 8: but it does seem as though the timeline is being

649
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 8: manipulated a little bit. I'm not even going to suggest

650
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 8: by whom, But what are your thoughts Kenny on Sterling?

651
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 8: Uh making this quick turn and putting his belt on

652
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 8: the line so soon after defending it.

653
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Speaker 1: I definitely think it's feasible.

654
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 7: I don't think this is a huge ask for the UFC,

655
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 7: but I will give the fighters perspective on this, and

656
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 7: I think that a fighter works so damn hard to

657
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 7: become a champion, and obviously it is a rare few

658
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 7: that will ever make it to that level, and when

659
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 7: you finally do, you want to be able to give

660
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 7: your best performance right you start. You want to covet

661
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 7: that belt. You want to be the best at what

662
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 7: you do, and you want to be as close to

663
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 7: one hundred percent as possible. So I think al Joe

664
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 7: is trying not to give any advantages to his opponents

665
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 7: as he can, and rightfully so he deserves that as champion.

666
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 7: But I love this matchup for him. I think Sean

667
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 7: O'Malley is an extremely dangerous striker. He's an excellent fighter,

668
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 7: He's tough as nails, but this is not a good

669
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 7: matchup for him. Al Jo, you know, obviously is one

670
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 7: of the best at getting you to the mat, controlling you,

671
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 7: and finishing you from there. So I'm curious to see

672
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 7: how it all goes down. But and I think that's

673
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 7: why oh Maley took this time off. I think he

674
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 7: realized the challenge that was in front of him. I'm

675
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 7: sure he is behind behind the scenes working on his

676
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 7: wrestling and on his grappling to prepare for this monster

677
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 7: in Sterling.

678
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 6: One hundred percent. John, you know, I'll say this, look,

679
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 6: al Jo's an overthinker for sure, he's gonna think everything out.

680
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 6: Like Kenny said, he wants to be the best al

681
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 6: Joe when he goes in there, and that's where he's

682
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 6: coming from. So I do agree with Kenny. It's feasible.

683
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 6: But you know, the guy is that he's the champ

684
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 6: of the division. I mean, if I tell you, he

685
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 6: was enjoying the shit out of that, like, he was

686
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 6: really enjoying himself, and that's what he likes to do.

687
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 6: He's setting his ways. He likes to enjoy himself after

688
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 6: the fight, and I think like asking for September wasn't

689
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 6: a big ask, you know what I mean. But again,

690
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 6: when you have an agenda and you got to hold

691
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 6: to it, then you gotta do what you gotta do.

692
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 6: Like again, it's it's just a weird. I think it's

693
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 6: weird that he had no saying it and he is

694
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 6: going to fight. He does want to fight, that's not

695
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 6: the thing. He was in the gym yesterday, but he

696
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 6: was having a great time and I think he wanted

697
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 6: to enjoy the fruits of his labor, and that's what

698
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 6: he does and that's how he gets himself ready for

699
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 6: the next fight. It's like work hard, play hard, I mean,

700
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 6: that's it. He you know, to cut him short a

701
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 6: week or two, you know what, three for him at

702
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 6: this stage of his career kind of sucks to him.

703
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 6: And I don't want to talk for him, I really know,

704
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 6: but that that's my interpretation. I know him good enough

705
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 6: now to know that, you know, he's going to look

706
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 6: at every possible angle and like Kenny says, he wants

707
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 6: to give himself the best advantage. And he's a thinker.

708
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 6: He's a thinker on every aspect of the game and

709
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 6: including this. So you know, the fight, I'm going to say,

710
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 6: the fight's going to happen, and that's it, you know,

711
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 6: And I hope he does, but we all know he

712
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 6: can do. That's the best form of voice, in your opinion,

713
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 6: is just to get that job done. And then they're

714
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 6: really stuck. It looks like they don't want him. You know,

715
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 6: when you start thinking, you know, you're the champ and

716
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 6: nobody really wants you, it's not a good feeling, you know.

717
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 6: So I don't know that's the way.

718
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 8: Well, thankfully he's mentally forged by a lot of his

719
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 8: professional life experience. But the extra three four five weeks

720
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 8: is a big deal. And this whole thing is a

721
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 8: big deal. And I hesitate to use the verb bully,

722
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 8: but you can be sure Leon Edwards was not going

723
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 8: to be bullied into fighting on a certain timeline right

724
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 8: to headline a pay per view in July, right after

725
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 8: going twenty five minutes with Kamara Usman, Right, I mean

726
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 8: Aljamn Sterling just won twenty five hard minutes with Henry Sahudo, right,

727
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 8: And it's like it's almost like, yeah, it'd almost be

728
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 8: better for Aljo. I feel like if you had a

729
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 8: cut right, buy him a little time. But no, Hey,

730
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 8: I'm not suggesting either that this can't be something that

731
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 8: is optimal for Sterling right to stay in shape and

732
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 8: have less recreation time. And I think you should listen

733
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 8: to Kenny more than you should listen to me. But

734
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 8: it is pretty interesting, right that he is turning around

735
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 8: so quickly, and it seems like the UFC is getting

736
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 8: a few of these guys to do it now. Alexander

737
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 8: Volkanovski is a little bit of an outlier. He tells

738
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 8: us in the Fighter meeting in Perth that he wants

739
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 8: to fight four or five times this year. But you

740
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 8: still had to get Yaya Rodriguez to make a relatively

741
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 8: quick turn, and that has not been historically his pattern.

742
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 8: So all, I think there's a lot there, absolutely, John,

743
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 8: sorry to cut you off. I think location has a

744
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 8: lot to do with it as well. Right, there's a

745
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 8: lot of fighters that when they fight are thinking about

746
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 8: things like taxes.

747
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 7: You know, what state is going to give me the

748
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 7: best tax rate where I fight? And that's why Las

749
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 7: Vegas is so popular, you know. I know GSP hated

750
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 7: fighting in Montreal for that reason. He was a huge

751
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 7: star there, but every time he went there it was

752
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 7: like sixty seventy percent of his pay was gone, you know.

753
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 6: So anyway, yeah, you're Kenny, You're a one hundred percent

754
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 6: on al Joel. Look, he's going to think about everything,

755
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 6: and that's another big part of it. Obviously everybody that's

756
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 6: where they want to fight. In Vegas, there's no state tax.

757
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 6: If you're making money, that saves you a couple of

758
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 6: hundred grand, you know what I mean. So yeah, at

759
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 6: this stage of the game, that's that's big money. I mean,

760
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 6: like it's almost like found money if you fight, because

761
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 6: you're gonna have it taken away at another place. So

762
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 6: that's that's another part of it. Also, I think you're

763
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 6: dead on with that Kenny toe.

764
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 8: So uh may Rob Dwallace Willie had surgery. You're probably

765
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 8: happy to see him get fixed. I would assumed.

766
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 6: I really am, because I'll tell you I didn't even

767
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 6: know about the injury before the fight, but when he

768
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 6: came to the gym he had. Wideman has it, Matt

769
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 6: still has it. Matt never never got it fix, he

770
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 6: said he could never. The problem is when you punch correctly,

771
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 6: huge pain, so they start altering the way they're punching,

772
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 6: what knuckles they're hitting with. And all three of them

773
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 6: had the same thing. Wideman got it fix. Now Morob

774
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 6: gotta fix. Whatch I'm happy for because it's gonna make

775
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 6: a big difference.

776
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 8: All Right, I want to talk to you quickly about

777
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 8: this UFC fight night before we get you out of here.

778
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 8: Sorry about that click clack? I think that's on long

779
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 8: goes And what do you got going on there, Raymond?

780
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 8: I shouldn't be blaming ray I should be careful with

781
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 8: the minute. Man, you hear that click clack?

782
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 7: Right?

783
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 6: Or no?

784
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's not you? Huh? All right? Well, I

785
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: mean it could be me for all I know.

786
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 8: I'd like to ask you boys about McKenzie Dern, and

787
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 8: sometimes I fall victim to the moment and I get

788
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 8: a little bit too headlining when it comes to my

789
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 8: analysis and I start anointing McKenzie durn Kenny. But man like,

790
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 8: she looked like a world champion to me in a

791
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 8: division that makes it very hard to become just that.

792
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 8: And then I feel like there's some segment of the

793
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 8: people that's like, yeah, but she's fighting Angela Hill, who's

794
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 8: a five hundred fighters thirty eight years of age. What

795
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 8: were your thoughts, ken Flaw on Mackenzie Dern, And then

796
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 8: we'll get some thoughts from Raymond as well.

797
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the intensity.

798
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 7: I like the intensity and her ability to combine the

799
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 7: striking with her takedowns, her ability to get to the ground.

800
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 7: She kept a fast pace just walking into the octagon.

801
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 7: To me, that looked like that was the best shape

802
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 7: that I've seen her in physically. So it was great

803
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 7: to see her go out there and get that kind

804
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 7: of performance. Now, there was reckless times, I mean she

805
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 7: was a little reckless. I love the aggression. I think

806
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 7: it's great. Is that a style that's going to allow

807
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 7: her to beat maybe some of the elite top two

808
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 7: in that division. I'm not sure. I don't think so

809
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 7: at this point. But her ground game is good enough

810
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 7: to get it done against anybody in that division. But

811
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 7: just to see her getting that much more comfortable on

812
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 7: the feet and not given f on the feet, I

813
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 7: think is.

814
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: The huge step forward for her.

815
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 7: And she can always work on the technical stuff, but

816
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 7: sometimes that mental stuff becomes that biggest hurdle, and I

817
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 7: did not see that in this fight.

818
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: Angela Hill.

819
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 7: You know, say what you want about her record, maybe

820
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 7: her age. Whenever she's tough, she's going to be a

821
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 7: tough out for anybody. And the fact that she went

822
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 7: that went out there, was able to trade with her,

823
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 7: exchange some good takedowns with her and all that stuff

824
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 7: and put out that pace for twenty five minutes I

825
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 7: thought was a phenomenal performance. And that was one of

826
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 7: those fights where I love being proven wrong. I picked

827
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 7: Angela Hill in that one, but Mackenzie dern Man awesome.

828
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 6: Yeah. I gotta tell you, I think Kenny hit it right.

829
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 6: But most of the things I'm saying, I love the aggression.

830
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 6: I love what I saw, and she got twenty five

831
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 6: minutes against a really good striker thirty five years old

832
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 6: or not. Utmost respect for Angela Hill in that fight too,

833
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 6: because she had to really go through a lot of

834
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 6: adversity in a lot of different spots. We thought she'd

835
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 6: have this stand up, you know advantage. She got rock bed,

836
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 6: you know where she turned her into a wrestler at times,

837
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 6: which is crazy, right, But man, I like what I

838
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 6: saw around in McKenzie dirt. I like attitude, man, and

839
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 6: that attitude spot on, like you're not gonna deny me.

840
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 6: I'm coming forward. If you can't knock me out, you'll

841
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 6: get knocked out. If I don't knock you out, I

842
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 6: can submit you. I think that was a huge fight

843
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 6: for Mackenzie Dern. I'm on the bed and I think

844
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 6: she's got a good Shot'd love to see us step

845
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 6: it up, up up and uh and go. But that's

846
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 6: an extra twenty five minutes against a really good striker,

847
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 6: and she showed she didn't give a fuck man. She

848
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 6: I love that intensity, man, and she looks like she

849
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 6: throws hard. And again she did keep it up for

850
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 6: twenty five minutes. I thought it was a great fight

851
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 6: for both. But honestly, even for Angela Hill in defeat,

852
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 6: gotta respect that girl, you know what I mean, Because

853
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 6: I mean she's fought the best of the best. I thought,

854
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 6: probably got robbed a couple of times. She should have

855
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 6: won the fight, So she was in there. That's a

856
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 6: good gauge, you know. And she didn't fight like a

857
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 6: thirty five year old, you know, she was, she looked,

858
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 6: she looked good. It's just that she got overpowered. Mackenzie

859
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 6: durn look huge and then next to her.

860
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, me and I think Angela is thirty eight actually,

861
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 8: But you're right, and you put her career I think

862
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 8: in the proper context in terms of having to pass

863
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 8: this test. Gatekeeper can be sort of a negative connotation.

864
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: But yes, buckets of respect for for Angela Hill in defeat.

865
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 8: But it is interesting to look at Mackenzie Dern in

866
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 8: terms of the career progression and everything else. She wants

867
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 8: to fight with thug Rose Namba Unis. I think that

868
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 8: makes a shit ton of sense if Rose comes back

869
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 8: in the not too distant future. But people leaned into

870
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 8: a lot of what Mackenzie Dern had to say during

871
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 8: fight week about not having Jason Pirillo at her disposal

872
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 8: because he was with Luke Rockold for times and the

873
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 8: divorce Dern right everything else, and uh yes, I mean

874
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 8: she was able to channel that anger in the right,

875
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 8: mean spirited way. And uh, if she could fight like that,

876
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 8: she's going to be a real problem. All right, Raymond,

877
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 8: it's all I got for you today.

878
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: My man.

879
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 6: That's it.

880
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did send you a check this week,

881
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: so uh.

882
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 6: Really you know, yeah, phenomenal?

883
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: Oh good?

884
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 6: All right?

885
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Why Extra round's not paying you?

886
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 10: Okay, they're paying We're in the process, okay, but it's

887
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 10: more on my end. So okay, all right, Well make

888
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 10: sure when we send you a check to your wife

889
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 10: season okay, and we'll talk to you next week.

890
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 6: Get you Johnson back in your pants, both of.

891
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: That, guys, I'll do that now.

892
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 6: Thanks you very much. Thank god from the weight. Thank god,

893
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 6: we're only here from the neck up. That's all I said.

894
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: That's for sure.

895
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 6: I'd be in a shitload of trouble taking these.

896
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, here very long a minute every week here on

897
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 8: the Anak and Florian podcast. Kenny Mackenzie Dern, Thug Rose

898
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 8: Nama Unis. It just makes a lot of sense. And

899
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 8: if I could just take you back to Mackenzie Dern's

900
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 8: first UFC fight, I believe it came against Ashley Yoder

901
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 8: and we were told at times during training camp she

902
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 8: would stop sparring and she would start crying, right like,

903
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 8: this has been a transition for a decorated world class

904
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 8: jiu jitsu player that maybe not enough has been made

905
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 8: about the demons personally professional and demons isn't the right word,

906
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 8: but just the hurdles that she had to overcome to

907
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 8: get to this place. And I do think there are

908
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 8: a lot of people who were questioning her mentally or

909
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 8: otherwise going into this fight. Just give it all of

910
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 8: the life circumstance and then to have a performance like that.

911
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 8: I know she didn't get a finish, but bro like,

912
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 8: I'm very excited about Mackenzie Dern and I hope it's

913
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 8: not just a recency bias that is causing my enthusiasm.

914
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 7: No, I don't think it is. I think that people

915
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 7: forget about all the things that you got to deal

916
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 7: with outside of the cage. Life can hit you way

917
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 7: harder than what you experience in the octagon, and I

918
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 7: think she's been dealing with a lot and anytime you're

919
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 7: able to bounce back from something like that, John, I

920
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 7: think it does amazing things for you. Both personally and

921
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 7: professionally as a fighter. And I think this is the

922
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 7: kind of performance that I think is going to buoy

923
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 7: her and give her that much more confidence. And you know,

924
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 7: I think also her team, her coaches, her dad, who's

925
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 7: a big part of her training. It's just gonna it's

926
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 7: gonna lift everybody's spirits. I think that that was a

927
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 7: huge performance, came at a great time. She did exactly

928
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 7: what you said she was going to do too, and

929
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 7: you don't see that too often in this sport. And

930
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 7: really happy for Mackenzie who is you know, for me

931
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 7: every time I've met her, she has been an absolute

932
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 7: sweetheart and has done great things in the jujitsu world,

933
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 7: representing all the ju jitsu guys all over the world

934
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 7: extremely well at a high level.

935
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: And very very happy for a.

936
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 8: Lot of repetitions now in MMA, a lot of experience,

937
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 8: five round experience, a crewed by Mackenzie Dern, and perhaps

938
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 8: she's just reaping the benefits of those training camps and

939
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 8: the ensuing fights. So big things for Mackenzie Dern and

940
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 8: Anthony Fluffy Hernandez Like best of luckider that guy at

941
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 8: the window, what a stud huh.

942
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: Dude Like he's an animal man like.

943
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 7: I think his pressure is as good as any Dagistani

944
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 7: wrestler out there. And you know, I don't know about

945
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 7: you know, whether he's got that high level wrestling background

946
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 7: or not, but he certainly he fights like it. The

947
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 7: way he puts it all together is phenomenal. He's non stopped.

948
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 7: There are world class Brazilian jiu jitsu guys john who

949
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 7: are competing in the u UFC and other organizations who

950
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 7: don't exhibit the same level of confidence of going for

951
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 7: submissions like Anthony Fluffy Hernandez, and to me, that is awesome.

952
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 7: He has that special quality not to mention a pace,

953
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 7: that is something to behold.

954
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: Man. That dude is a beast.

955
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 7: Again, I think he got everyone's attention when he was

956
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 7: able to beat Adolfo Vieira.

957
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: But he's legit, man, That dead dude is absolute legit.

958
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 7: I will watch a fight with Anthony Fluffier Hernandez every

959
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 7: single time out.

960
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 8: And it seemed like maybe he was going to get

961
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 8: his first UFC main event here, right, but they did

962
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 8: delay durn and Hill and elevated that fight. But Anthony

963
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 8: Fluffy Hernandez is going to get a big fight at

964
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 8: eighty five, and he certainly got a fan in me,

965
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 8: as does new man Sawaukee Buckley with a big highlight,

966
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 8: Carlos Diego Fajeda getting a bonus for his knockout of

967
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 8: Michael Johnson. A lot of big winners over the weekend

968
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 8: at that live event in Las Vegas. But we're going

969
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 8: to go back out to the guest line right now.

970
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 8: We're very happy to be joined right on the screws.

971
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 8: This guy knew an Eastern time today and we appreciate that.

972
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 8: It's a man who almost entered the UFC in twenty

973
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 8: twelve courtesy of The Ultimate Fighter Live, but when he

974
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 8: ultimately did, he made up for lost time. Twenty one

975
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 8: time UFC veteran Drew dober is with us. It's good

976
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 8: to see a man just elevating the fucking handsome on

977
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 8: this program right out of the shoot.

978
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: How you doing?

979
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: May?

980
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't get the headset memo. I'm under addressed,

981
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 4: so I.

982
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: Wore a hat this week.

983
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 8: Everybody in the comments last week was suggesting that I

984
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 8: was stoned for the program. I was having an issue

985
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 8: with my eyes. People are going to believe what they're

986
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 8: going to believe, So yeah, a little self conscious today

987
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 8: we went with the hurly hat.

988
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: But it's good to see you, my man.

989
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 8: And so I was just looking at sort of the

990
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 8: trajectory of your career earlier this morning. So after you

991
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 8: tried out for the Ultimate Fighter Live in twenty twelve,

992
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 8: you ultimately go six and one regionally to get into

993
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 8: the UFC. But I want to take you back to

994
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 8: August tenth, twoenty twelve. You're in Omaha and you're lose

995
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 8: a unanimous decision you Will Brooks, right, So that makes

996
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 8: you one in one post Ultimate Fighter, right, And I'm

997
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 8: taking you back to this point in time because I'd

998
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 8: imagine it was maybe a low point. You'd go on

999
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 8: to win five in a row and punch your ticket

1000
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 8: to the UFC. But what can you tell me in

1001
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 8: your hometown how you were feeling mentally physically about the

1002
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 8: future after that twenty twelve lost to Will Brooks.

1003
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean at that point, you know, me and

1004
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 9: the goal of the undefeated world champion was kind of

1005
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 9: out the window. But we had to recess and figure out,

1006
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 9: you know, what it's going to take to get my

1007
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 9: name on the headlights. And you know you're either you know,

1008
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 9: with that undefeated record coming in with the UFC eyes

1009
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 9: or you got to steal that from somebody else. And

1010
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 9: I was at a point where it's like, all right,

1011
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 9: the UC knows I exist. We got to try to

1012
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 9: steal that height from somebody else. And so we just

1013
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 9: started calling up promotions looking at the biggest, baddest competition

1014
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 9: and we found it and eventually got my way into

1015
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 9: the UFC.

1016
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 8: So that fifth win on that winning streak that ultimately

1017
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 8: got to the you, UFC, what do you remember about

1018
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 8: that fight? And then the timeline of when the call

1019
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 8: from the big show ultimately came.

1020
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: In right right.

1021
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 9: So there was an undefeated knockout artist in a twenty

1022
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 9: Simms here in a Denver, Colorado, and he was finishing

1023
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 9: every fight knockout in the first round. And there was

1024
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 9: worth that the UFC had eyes on the cat and

1025
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 9: he was looking for a fight, and so I just

1026
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 9: raised my hand. I was like, all right, if I

1027
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 9: can't beat that guy, I'll just beat that guy and

1028
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 9: flew out to Denver, Colorado in any territory, and man,

1029
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 9: he put the beating on me in that first round.

1030
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 9: I could see why he was finishing fights in the

1031
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 9: first but we made it out of that first round,

1032
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 9: and I saw some weakness submissed in his armor, and yeah,

1033
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 9: he didn't feel confident going into that second and we

1034
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 9: put that beating on him and got the split decision,

1035
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 9: which I stole the limelight and eventually got that call

1036
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 9: two weeks later.

1037
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 8: Oh it was two weeks later. So what do you

1038
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 8: remember about getting that call? Was it a manager of somebody?

1039
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1040
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 9: So, I mean the day after that fight and dem

1041
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 9: Colorado was my birthday, so I was necked deep in

1042
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 9: ice cream and cake, just enjoying my life bos fight.

1043
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 9: I mean, I was sitting in a diner with you know,

1044
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 9: the most ridiculous food in front of me when I

1045
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 9: got that call like, hey, do you want to fight

1046
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 9: in the UFC in two weeks? And I was like,

1047
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 9: oh man, what wait? And luckily we get the call

1048
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 9: at the at one seventy. So we moved up in

1049
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 9: weight class one seventy two weeks notice, and we put

1050
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 9: on the best performs we could.

1051
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 8: Drew Dober with us here on the Anakin Florian podcast.

1052
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 8: I promise I'm gonna let Kenny in here. I just

1053
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 8: am sort of going back before we can move forward,

1054
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 8: and I feel like I can ask you this question

1055
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 8: now because you fought twenty one times in the UFC.

1056
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 8: You've won twelve fights in the UFC, but just some

1057
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 8: more adversity that you had to overcome. Right, you get

1058
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 8: to the UFC and then just one win in your

1059
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 8: first five UFC starts, right, a lot of what random circumstances,

1060
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 8: the no contests, so but yet you still persevere. And

1061
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 8: look at you now, man, you're t rejecting to fight

1062
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 8: like thirty plus times in the UFC.

1063
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm just writing the story that it doesn't need

1064
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 9: to be perfect, it doesn't need to be pretty, but

1065
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,959
Speaker 9: if you stay at it, you can reach that top.

1066
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 9: And man, we're still pushing and you know, we got

1067
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 9: some setbacks here and there, some interesting scenarios, but we're

1068
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 9: creating stories every time we're in that cage where there's

1069
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 9: a win, a loss, and no contest, and I mean,

1070
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 9: I'm having a blast doing it. And yeah, like I said,

1071
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 9: they're showing everyone that doesn't need to be perfect.

1072
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 7: Drew, you know you're still young at thirty four years old.

1073
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 7: How many more years do you see yourself doing this?

1074
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: I mean I see him on that path of the

1075
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 4: Stephen Thompson.

1076
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 9: I mean I've always been a late bloomer, late mature,

1077
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 9: and so at thirty four, I feel like I'm twenty four.

1078
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 4: So I mean, we could probably see fights up in

1079
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: that in the forties.

1080
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that.

1081
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 7: That's awesome, mat great fight around the corner in your division.

1082
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 7: One of the guys that you faced, Banil Tar, you

1083
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 7: taking on Charles Olivera. I think a lot of people

1084
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 7: are sleeping on Banil Man. How do you see this

1085
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 7: fight down? How do you break that one down?

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Speaker 9: You know, I think a lot of people sleep on Banil.

1087
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 9: He is probably one of the most well rounded and

1088
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 9: composed individual in the lightweight division. Charles Olivera has been

1089
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 9: at the top. He started feeling himself. He had that

1090
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 9: unfortunate loss with Islam Makakiff. But I feel Charles Olivera

1091
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 9: relies on you to come forward, relies on you to

1092
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 9: take risks and uh and make mistakes, and Vanil deruge

1093
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 9: Is is not the guy that you can rely on.

1094
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 9: He's so composed, so technical and so well randed, well

1095
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 9: rounded that you know, I see him at picking and

1096
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 9: choosing his battles inside that octagon against Charles Charles Olivera,

1097
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 9: and I have beanil Deruge winning by decision just by

1098
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 9: picking and playing and out grappling, honestly.

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Speaker 8: And that's a three round fight, right, three round co

1100
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 8: main event. Yeah, that is not five rounds. So all right,

1101
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 8: I thought of you recently. So Jared Gordon, right, you

1102
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 8: probably know where I'm going. He has this no contest

1103
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 8: against Bobby Green on April twenty second, So Gordon goes out,

1104
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 8: wakes up right, asks what happened, right, and it ends

1105
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 8: up being a no contest. So now, about six weeks later,

1106
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Speaker 8: he steps in to face Jim Miller because Ludibit Klein

1107
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 8: can't go. And I guess I bring it up in

1108
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 8: the context of your fight against Matt Ravola because I

1109
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 8: know you respect the stoppage maybe more than I do, right,

1110
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 8: but you never went out. The fight lasted four minutes

1111
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 8: and eight seconds, And yeah, I mean I know for you,

1112
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 8: the timeline probably for the Jim Miller fight just doesn't

1113
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 8: match up the way it did for Jared Gordon. And

1114
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 8: you're a bigger lightweight than Jared Gordon and all of that,

1115
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 8: But I ask you in a broader sense, right, the

1116
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 8: Jim Miller Drew Dober fight, to me, makes a lot

1117
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 8: of sense. Two big names, two guys who I think

1118
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 8: have been a big part of the history of the

1119
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 8: UFC lightweight division. You know, what is your appetite for

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00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 8: taking on a big name fight like that, and how

1121
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 8: much time, realistically do you need to step in for

1122
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 8: the right opponent.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we're we're looking at possible fighting at the

1124
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 9: end of July August, and so Jim Miller, I mean,

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00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 9: that fight would have been beautified.

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Speaker 4: I've said yes to Jim Miller before.

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Speaker 9: The fight hasn't come to fruition, but yeah, just getting

1128
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 9: all that experience and in the octing eard it would

1129
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 9: be tons of fun. But I also said yes to

1130
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 9: Jared Gordon as well. You know, I would love to,

1131
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 9: you know, fight the real winner of the Patty fight.

1132
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 9: You know, that'd be a fun one. But for me,

1133
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 9: it's not about who. It's a matter of when. And

1134
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 9: I'm trying to stay active. So you know, we're clearing

1135
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 9: that suspension from the last get go and we're looking

1136
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 9: at trying to find somebody to say yes.

1137
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 4: You know in August.

1138
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 8: So I mentioned your fight with Matt Ravola, and you know,

1139
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 8: I try not to be uber critical of the officials

1140
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 8: here on the show, right, But I feel like in

1141
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 8: a situation like that, Drew Dober's history with twenty six

1142
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 8: professional mixed martial arts wins, his pension for being in

1143
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 8: wars and rallying and winning those fights should have afforded

1144
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 8: him at least one extra or beat in that setting.

1145
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 8: Would you at least agree with me on that.

1146
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a.

1147
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 9: Little surprised when Herb stepped in. I mean I was coherent,

1148
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 9: I was aware, and I was defending myself. So when

1149
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 9: Herb stepped in, I was a little surprised, very upset,

1150
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 9: just because we know, you know, I'm able to come

1151
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 9: back from fights and win spectacularly.

1152
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 8: But you take the high road, right, Like you just said,

1153
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 8: you were upset. But I think Drew Dover's fan base

1154
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 8: would suggest that you you didn't go hard in the

1155
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 8: paint at Herb Dean, and perhaps that's just not your nature,

1156
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 8: you know, But I remember texting you that seemed like

1157
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 8: I was more upset about it than you were.

1158
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I try to. I mean, Herb's doing his job,

1159
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 9: and you know, I was defending myself. I don't know

1160
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 9: if I was defending myself intelligently, and that's kind of

1161
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 9: his call, and you know his job, and it's one

1162
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 9: of the I try to focus on what I can control.

1163
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 9: I can't control the ref's decisions. I can just control

1164
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 9: on getting my hands back to my face and not

1165
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 9: falling over. And I unfortunately made that mistake, and we

1166
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 9: just got to live, learn and grow move forward.

1167
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: No, that's a good assessment by you. And hey, I

1169
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 8: mean Matt revol is a friend of the program. I'm

1170
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 8: not trying to take anything away from him, of course,

1171
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 8: that's just my honest opinion. All right, So who's the

1172
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 8: toughest guy you ever fought? By the way, you probably

1173
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 8: get asked that question a lot. I mean, you fought

1174
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 8: almost forty times. Who's the toughest I.

1175
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 9: Mean, now like a tough as a matter of like

1176
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 9: a detailed question like tough, as far as the most

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00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 9: well rounded tough, as far as the hardest hitter or

1178
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 9: the person that I couldn't get out of my face,

1179
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 9: I mean as statistically like Islam Markachev was, you know,

1180
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 9: the more like the most well rounded fighter that I've

1181
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 9: ever competed against.

1182
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 4: But as far as the toughest.

1183
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 9: Man, that fight with Tony Simms right before the UFC

1184
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 9: was probably I got. I got knocked down three times

1185
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 9: in the first round, and you know, just just kind

1186
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 9: of like with the whole Matt Vola fight. You know,

1187
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 9: the ref could have stopped in Yeah, but man, we

1188
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 9: survived and we had a rally in that second round,

1189
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 9: and then he came out with a different plan in

1190
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 9: the third, started taking me down and we had to

1191
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 9: do a lot.

1192
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: More grappling in the third.

1193
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 9: So as far as like the human will and really

1194
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 9: trying to draw it out like that was probably the

1195
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 9: toughest fight.

1196
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's so interesting talking to fighters, and oftentimes it's

1197
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 8: those early fights that really stick with you. All Right,

1198
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 8: So you've had a lot of Jim wars with Justin Gaegee,

1199
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Speaker 8: if I can put it that way. And philosophically, it

1200
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 8: seems like a lot of the eLife fighters fall on

1201
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 8: different sides of this. Dominic Cruz needs months of hard

1202
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 8: sparring to get ready for the fight. Max Holloway doesn't

1203
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 8: necessarily spar at all. Yeah, you're Rodriguez, I think is

1204
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 8: cut from that ladder cloth as well. I mean philosophically,

1205
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 8: it might be a different answer for yourself versus others,

1206
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 8: But where do you stand on how much sparing needs

1207
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 8: to be done to realize success in MMA for you

1208
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 8: or for another person.

1209
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 9: Ye know, for me, I think as sparing is slightly overrated,

1210
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 9: you know, and the bigger thing in your career you

1211
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 9: got to learn how to how what that feels like,

1212
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 9: what the fire feels like, how to build on the toughness.

1213
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 9: But as you know, as we get in to the UFC,

1214
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 9: I mean, I feel like the toughness is already there.

1215
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 9: We've already gone through the regional circuit, we've been hit before.

1216
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 9: We don't know all that, and so I think people

1217
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 9: should focus their energy on the technical aspects of treating

1218
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 9: the repetitions, the drills, the you know, sparring is is

1219
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 9: so chaotics and so sporadic. You know, it's really hard

1220
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 9: to like judge on like what you're getting better at.

1221
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 4: I feel like everyone's just.

1222
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 9: Fighting to prove themselves that they are better versus getting better.

1223
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 9: We're in the drills and the pad work and the

1224
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 9: repetitions like that is solely based on like just getting better.

1225
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 9: And so I'm right there with you know, sparring every

1226
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 9: once in a while, but you got to focus your

1227
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 9: energy on the drills and the repetitions.

1228
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 8: All right, two more with Drew Double before I get

1229
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 8: you out of here. So you mentioned July or August.

1230
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 8: I mean, do you have any name on the tip

1231
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 8: of your tongue or is it just sort of about

1232
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 8: getting back in there as soon as medically cleared and

1233
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 8: as your health will allow.

1234
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 9: I mean, we we said we would fight Jared Gordon

1235
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 9: in August, but he took that fight with Jim Miller,

1236
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 9: which is great for him. Man Diego Fahira with his

1237
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 9: knockout over Michael Johnson, We'll see how soon he wants

1238
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 9: to get turned around. I was scheduled to fight him

1239
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 9: twice in twenty twenty, so that is a man that's

1240
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 9: been on my radar for a while.

1241
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 4: So you know, we'll see who's available in the flight.

1242
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 4: With division, it's hard to get guys who agree to fights.

1243
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 9: So August is my date if if anybody wants to

1244
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 9: say yes, I'm willing to exchange.

1245
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: And it's it true you've never had a rematch in

1246
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: thirty nine professional MMA fights.

1247
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, rematches kind of like they bore me.

1248
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 9: I mean, whether I won the fight or lost the fight, right,

1249
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 9: there's like fighting the same guy over and over. It's like, man,

1250
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 9: we need something new, you know, And yeah, I'm not

1251
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 9: a fan of rematches, all right.

1252
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: And before I let you go, do you have a

1253
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: kid on the way? Do I remember that from our conversation?

1254
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 9: Yes, my wife is about to explode. It's like any

1255
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 9: day now. So a week is the due date, and

1256
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 9: so it could be happening. It could be happening right

1257
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 9: now as we speak, you know. So yeah, at any moment,

1258
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 9: we've become Daddy Dover and we'll see how that affects

1259
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 9: my octagon skills.

1260
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 8: And jeffer Rain And just wait till that kid is

1261
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 8: like eight and gets to sit down and see some

1262
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 8: of those Drew Dover highlights with dad. Hey, appreciate the time, man.

1263
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 8: We very much look forward to you getting back in

1264
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 8: there in August and we will talk to you and

1265
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 8: see your your face down the line, I'm sure, brother,

1266
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 8: But we appreciate a few minutes today, sir.

1267
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, guys.

1268
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1269
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 8: Dre there he is Drew Dover with us here on

1270
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 8: the anakan Florian Podcast. I didn't know that his wife

1271
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 8: was literally about to go into labor, but we appreciate

1272
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 8: Drew being with us here today on the program. Thank

1273
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 8: you also to Ray Longo. Our executive producer is Cody Merrow.

1274
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 8: Coming up next week, Brian Petrie is back and we

1275
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 8: will look ahead to another UFC Fight Night in Las Vegas,

1276
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 8: Kaikta France and Emir Al Bosi, and then of course

1277
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 8: UFC two eighty nine coming pretty quickly. Also, don't forget

1278
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 8: before the Ultimate Fighter. I was just in Bristol last

1279
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 8: week at ESPN Kenny. It was crazy, by the way,

1280
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 8: being back in a Bristol studio for the first time

1281
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 8: since I was like thirty two years of age, and

1282
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 8: I would just say the emotions, the nostalgia driving back

1283
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 8: into that parking lot. I had a little bit of

1284
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 8: a negative emotion driving into that parking lot because I

1285
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 8: used to do so many graveyard shifts.

1286
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: I was like having like my life flash before my eyes.

1287
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 8: But walking into that studio now forty four years of age,

1288
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 8: I just feel like I have a lot more skills

1289
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 8: than I had when I was thirty two and I

1290
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 8: left that place, So that was kind of cool. But

1291
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 8: we filmed a show call before The Ultimate Fighter. You

1292
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 8: can find that on the UFC's YouTube channel, all in

1293
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 8: advance of the season debut coming up in eight days

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Speaker 8: on May thirtieth, and we'll be back next week to

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Speaker 8: preview all Bosi and Kai Kata France and of course

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Speaker 8: get you ready for UFC two eighty nine. With that

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Speaker 8: for Kenni Fluham John and thank you all for watching,

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Speaker 8: for listening. We'll talk to you less than a week

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Speaker 8: until then.

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Speaker 1: Field It.

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Speaker 3: Does, Does, Does.

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Speaker 2: Does?

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Speaker 3: Does? Don a bar Don don a bar down Unster