WEBVTT - It’s Always Sunny in the Dialectic

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. It's early morning in Venice Beach, a few blocks

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<v Speaker 1>away from the Pacific Ocean. My producer Hunter and I

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<v Speaker 1>are ordering breakfast at a cafe. The menu is long

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<v Speaker 1>and many items have oddly positive names an uplifting, blissful,

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<v Speaker 1>super eternal, grace, stella or cool. We've just blown in

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<v Speaker 1>from New York and we're feeling some culture shock. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I like a fancy breakfast as much as the next man,

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<v Speaker 1>but this place seems to have its own agenda. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I like the vivid with cold Brook coffee. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get a healthy I think the idea is that by

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<v Speaker 1>making our breakfast order will harness the power of these

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<v Speaker 1>uplifting words, will invite a little positivity into our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, we are focused, healthy and trusting. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>and Hunter has two refills of Courageous. When I go

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<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom, I read the flyers on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>They're mostly from alternative therapists. I can get something called

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<v Speaker 1>deep integrative shadow work. I can get full body cryotherapy,

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<v Speaker 1>which sounds suspiciously like paying to get into a bath

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<v Speaker 1>of ice. My phone buzzes and I take it out

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<v Speaker 1>and look at it. I am unique, says a message

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<v Speaker 1>on my screen. It's from a positive thinking app that

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<v Speaker 1>I felt I ought to download when I landed at LAX.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to repeat this phrase to myself like a mantra.

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<v Speaker 1>I am une, I am uni, I am unique. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all very well saying I am unique, but am I really?

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<v Speaker 1>In many ways I'm exactly like everyone else. Thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>myself as unique is just vanity. I realize that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>arguing with my affirmation app. I think that means I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing it wrong. The phone buzzers again. I am open,

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<v Speaker 1>free and loving. This is Into the Zone, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>about opposites and how borders are never as clear as

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<v Speaker 1>we think. I'm hurry, Kunzru. This episode is about positive

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<v Speaker 1>and negative. It's about optimism and pessimism, and it's about

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<v Speaker 1>a particular kind of opposition, the dialectic, the clash of

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<v Speaker 1>opposites that produces something new. Good place for Jeff to live?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I pressing? Seventy ninety six? I think I've

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<v Speaker 1>come to La to see a friend of mine named

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Dyer. He's a writer who lives in Venice, just

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<v Speaker 1>around the corner from the cafe with the mantra menu.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff and I both left the UK to come and

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<v Speaker 1>live in the US. He's someone I think of as

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<v Speaker 1>very English. He's witty and a little bit sarcastic. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a book called Yoga for People who can't be

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<v Speaker 1>bothered to do it, and another one called out of

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<v Speaker 1>sheer rage that one's about failing to write a book

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<v Speaker 1>about dh Lawrence. Hello there, Hello, great, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 1>We need hugging. It always makes me chuckle to think

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<v Speaker 1>of Jeff here in the land of positive thinking. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, time passes so quickly. We've been here about

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<v Speaker 1>six years. I think. You know, we were living in London.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd already gone to America. It seemed so many of

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<v Speaker 1>my friends were in America and I was stuck there

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<v Speaker 1>in London. I would say to Rebecca, you know it

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<v Speaker 1>was my destiny to live in California. We're not doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>My whole life is a complete and utter waste. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you changed? Have you become more more a Southern Californian.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things that we were first struck

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<v Speaker 1>by is that, you know, we had to become so

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<v Speaker 1>much more polite living here, And there's an irony there

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<v Speaker 1>because Americans always think of England as being this. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Jane Austen, Henry James like society where everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is super polite, but as you know from London, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a right old dogg eat dog world, there

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it, you know? So yeah, we became so much.

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<v Speaker 1>When I listen back to this tape, I hear something

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<v Speaker 1>strange and kind of comical, the Soviet resignation to things

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<v Speaker 1>not being Jeff and I start denouncing various aspects of

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<v Speaker 1>British culture, to the inefficiency, the rudeness, the cynicism. We're

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<v Speaker 1>both particularly down on the British habit of complaining. We

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<v Speaker 1>start complaining about the complaining, and we're enjoying ourselves. We

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<v Speaker 1>are enjoying complaining about complaining. It's a quintessentially British way

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<v Speaker 1>of bonding. Affirmation through negativity. I mean, more generally, would

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<v Speaker 1>you describe yourself as an optimist or a pessimist? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know? I would reject terms really because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what difference does it make whether you're an optimist or

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<v Speaker 1>a pessimist? And that doesn't make any difference to the

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<v Speaker 1>successful resolution of a situation, does it. Jeff tells me

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<v Speaker 1>that he doesn't spend any time at the Positive Thinking Cafe.

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<v Speaker 1>He prefers another place a few blocks away. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know if he believes in any of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about the Californian mental attitude. Does he think that

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<v Speaker 1>by thinking positively you can make positive things happen for yourself? Well, actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I guess this thing of you know, which

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<v Speaker 1>is such an important part of life here, of that

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<v Speaker 1>positive attitude, and it's created a nice society in many ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff starts ruminating about philosophy, trying to remember a passage

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<v Speaker 1>from the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche where he suggests that small

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<v Speaker 1>acts of kindness have done more for the world than

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<v Speaker 1>lofty ideals of heroism and self sacrifice. Do you realize,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god it Nietzsche, in his weird way, is

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<v Speaker 1>described why life here in California is in many ways

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<v Speaker 1>of success, because all of your interactions with people are

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<v Speaker 1>really a source of great affirmation, and they make daily

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<v Speaker 1>life much nicer. So that I thought I delicit some

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<v Speaker 1>classic Jeff grumbling. Instead when it comes to California, he's

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<v Speaker 1>filled with positive tivity, well, positivity couched in regret, but

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<v Speaker 1>still for Jeff that's new. He even thinks California is

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<v Speaker 1>changing his look for the better. I've got sixty years

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<v Speaker 1>worth of English disappointment in my face, and now I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned since being here to sort of smart, to smile more,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've got my you know, my teeth are whiter

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<v Speaker 1>than they were, but they're still crooked English team, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind of thing. Yes, of course, it generates

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<v Speaker 1>well being for everybody. And I love the way that

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<v Speaker 1>here you meet somebody on the street, you always say

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<v Speaker 1>hello and smile at them. And what we find is

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<v Speaker 1>we when we go back to England after we've been

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<v Speaker 1>here for six months or so, we go back for

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<v Speaker 1>the summer, we come back with our Californian ways and

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<v Speaker 1>we're smiling at people in Labrate Grove. And after a

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<v Speaker 1>week we stopped doing it because it's really inappropriate. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't come all the way to California just to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about England. Jeff and I are huge fans of someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's been called the high prest of Negativity, the grumpy

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<v Speaker 1>German intellectual who arrived in Los Angeles in nineteen forty one.

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<v Speaker 1>His name was Theodore Adorna, the hinder futum to Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>and I have been joking about New world positivity and

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<v Speaker 1>old world gloom. But Adorno embodied these contradictions like no

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<v Speaker 1>one else. I want to tell you a little about

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<v Speaker 1>him because his story illuminates what we like to call

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<v Speaker 1>the American dream and how it's tangled up with positive thinking. Adorno,

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<v Speaker 1>known to his friends as Teddy, was a sociologist who

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<v Speaker 1>wound up in California after fleeing the Nazis. He'd been

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<v Speaker 1>one of the leading thinkers at the Institute for Social

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<v Speaker 1>Research in Frankfort, the Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School pioneered

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<v Speaker 1>a rigorous style of thinking known as critical theory, which

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<v Speaker 1>tried to analyze society with the aim of transforming it.

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<v Speaker 1>In photos, Adornaut's piercing eyes drill into the viewer out

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<v Speaker 1>of a smooth, round face. It's like being stared at

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<v Speaker 1>by a hyperintelligent baby. There was indeed something of the

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<v Speaker 1>child prodigy about him. Adorna was an only son. His

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<v Speaker 1>father was a Jewish wine merchant in Frankfurt. This Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>dad had married a Catholic opera singer and wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>assimilate into German society. Their son, Theodore Wi Adorno was

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<v Speaker 1>baptized a Catholic, and though he bore both his parents' names,

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<v Speaker 1>the Jewish sounding Wiesengrend was quietly dropped. Teddy grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in affluence. Adored and encouraged by his artistic mother, Teddy

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a composer. When he was twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>he moved to Vienna to study with the modernist master

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<v Speaker 1>Alban Berg. This is the kind of music Adorno wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in those days. After a few years of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make it as a composer, he switched to philosophy almost

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<v Speaker 1>at once. He was asked to teach at the newly

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<v Speaker 1>founded Institute for Social Research back in Frankfurt. There he

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<v Speaker 1>was exposed to left wing ideas and turned from esthetics

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<v Speaker 1>to a more urgent political agenda gi k in the

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<v Speaker 1>enlighting de Phenomenology. Thus Blossitusian heist, Adorno became a Marxist

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<v Speaker 1>and as such an obvious target for the Nazis. As

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<v Speaker 1>soon as they came to power, his charmed life started

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<v Speaker 1>to fall apart. His license to teach was revoked, his

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<v Speaker 1>house was searched. When he applied to join the official

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<v Speaker 1>Writers Union, he was told that membership was limited to

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<v Speaker 1>quote persons who belonged to the German nation by profound

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<v Speaker 1>ties of character and blood. As a non arian, you

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<v Speaker 1>are unable to feel and appreciate such an obligation. End

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<v Speaker 1>of horrible quote. Soon afterwards, Adorno left Germany. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>return for many years. Before Adornau arrived in LA he'd

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<v Speaker 1>spent some time in Oxford in New York writing about

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<v Speaker 1>the rise of fascism. His best friend and fellow critical theorist,

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<v Speaker 1>Max Horkheimer, was already in California, part of an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>community of German exiles. The group included some of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest creative minds of the twentieth century, the novelists Mann,

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<v Speaker 1>the poet and playwright bertel Brecht, the composer Arnold Scherenberg,

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<v Speaker 1>film directors like Fritz Lange, and actors like Greta Garbo

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<v Speaker 1>and Peter Laurie. Teddy and his wife Gretel moved into

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<v Speaker 1>a house in Brentwood. For some years, Adorna had also

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<v Speaker 1>been writing fragments and short essays about everything from toys

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<v Speaker 1>to insomnia. While he was in LA he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>put them together into a book. He called it minimum Moralia,

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<v Speaker 1>a Latin phrase meaning little ethics. It was a humble

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<v Speaker 1>title for a rather humble book, which was originally intended

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<v Speaker 1>as a present for Max Hawcheimer's fiftieth birthday in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty five. Adorna published it in nineteen fifty one. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's my copy of minimum Aralia, very nice verso edition

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<v Speaker 1>for the record. It's written here. Brought thirteenth of May

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty six in London. Plosophy ethics is traditionally the

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<v Speaker 1>study of how to live a good life. With fascism, communism,

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<v Speaker 1>and consumerism battling for supremacy. A Dorno suspected that living

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<v Speaker 1>a good life might no longer be possible. He grappled

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<v Speaker 1>with this question in an accessible style. So perhaps it's

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<v Speaker 1>no surprise that Minimamoralia has been enduringly popular. Jeff Dyer

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<v Speaker 1>has been fascinated by it ever since he was a

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<v Speaker 1>young writer in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, and it was great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a earl souvenir. And it's just that

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<v Speaker 1>it's a beautiful addition. There as a Doorno on the

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<v Speaker 1>back cup playing the playing the piano looking cross. He's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously playing something like I don't know, late Beethoven or

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<v Speaker 1>Albnberg or something we can he describe it a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about what kind of things it talks about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as you rightly say, it's a collection of aphorisms, but

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<v Speaker 1>length lengthy aphorisms, you know, essays of about a page

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<v Speaker 1>and a half, something like that. The subtitle is Reflections

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<v Speaker 1>from a Damaged Life, but it's ironic. Dornau's voice in

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<v Speaker 1>this book is witty and worldly talent. He writes, there's

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps nothing other than successfully sublimated rage talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis and art. They're as incompatible as an air aid

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<v Speaker 1>shelter and a stork's nest. On power, the most powerful

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<v Speaker 1>person is he who is able to do least himself

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<v Speaker 1>and burdens others most with the things for which he

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<v Speaker 1>lends his name and pockets the credit is the damaged

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<v Speaker 1>life a Doornaugh's life, or is it the life more

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<v Speaker 1>generally of the life we have to live world? But

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<v Speaker 1>both of them, I think, but his is particularly damaged.

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<v Speaker 1>Intellectual exiles from Nazi Germany faced a precarious life. The

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<v Speaker 1>networks they relied on for work had been wiped out.

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<v Speaker 1>Clever people who could turn pirouettes in their native language

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly couldn't order a meal in a restaurant. The pain

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<v Speaker 1>of being an exile is everywhere. A Doornaugh writes, every

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual in emigration is, without exception mutilated. He lives in

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<v Speaker 1>an environment that must remain incomprehensible to him. Adorna also

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<v Speaker 1>writes that the splinter in your eye is the best

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<v Speaker 1>magnifying glass. I take this to mean that your pain,

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<v Speaker 1>your damage, can be a way into understanding what's wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with the world. Adorna's critical theory makes negativity an important

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<v Speaker 1>tool for thought. He wanted his criticism to be ruthless,

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<v Speaker 1>sparing nothing and nobody, not even himself. Just this incredible

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<v Speaker 1>irony that Adorna the embodiment of European uncompromising seriousness, with

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<v Speaker 1>his hatred of all the kind of vulgarity and crassness

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<v Speaker 1>that capitalism leads to ends up here. Adorna had good

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<v Speaker 1>reason to be in favor of seriousness. He was living

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<v Speaker 1>in serious times, but like a lot of the German exiles,

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<v Speaker 1>he felt guilty that he was safe while the Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>were destroying Europe. He and his fellow exiles had chosen

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<v Speaker 1>between what he calls the infinite torment of dying and

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<v Speaker 1>the infinite abasement of living. Adornou thought that serious times

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<v Speaker 1>demanded serious art like this. This is Scherenberg's fourth string quartet,

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<v Speaker 1>written just after he arrived in California in nineteen thirty six.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason it doesn't sound like conventional music is because

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote it using the twelve tone system, a method

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<v Speaker 1>that forces the composer to use all the notes of

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<v Speaker 1>the scale equally in a particular order. While a Dorna

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<v Speaker 1>was in La, he worked for his friend Thomas Mann,

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<v Speaker 1>who was writing a novel about a composer and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>someone to teach him about these latest developments in music theory.

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<v Speaker 1>Every weekday morning, regular as clockwork, Man would write, and

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<v Speaker 1>every afternoon a Dorna would come over, sit down at

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<v Speaker 1>the piano and explain Scherenberg's musical theories. The result was

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<v Speaker 1>one of Man's masterpieces, Doctor Faustus. It's perhaps the most

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<v Speaker 1>German thing ever written outside of Germany. A tone about

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<v Speaker 1>a composer who intentionally infects himself with syphilis so he

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<v Speaker 1>can go mad and heighten his creative powers. When Scherenberg

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this story, he was furious, not just about

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<v Speaker 1>the syphilis and the whole selling his soul to the

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<v Speaker 1>devil plot. He also accused Man of taking credit for

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<v Speaker 1>his musical ideas. In truth, the musical ideas in Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Faustus should mostly be credited to Adorno. But this was

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<v Speaker 1>obscure stuff even as it was happening in the nineteen forties.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people weren't listening to twelve tone music. They were

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<v Speaker 1>munching popcorn at MGM musicals. Big dance numbers did not

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<v Speaker 1>thrill Teddy Adorno. He was wary of Hollywood, which he

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<v Speaker 1>felt was distracting people and dumbing them down. That didn't

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<v Speaker 1>stop him from spending time on movie sets and making

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<v Speaker 1>friends with people from the film world, but Adorna also

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<v Speaker 1>wanted films to be high art and in music, he

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<v Speaker 1>particularly disliked jazz. In an unbelievably snooty essay, he pours

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<v Speaker 1>scorn on what he calls its mechanical, soullessness and its

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<v Speaker 1>licentious decadence. My friend Jeff Dat is a huge jazz

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<v Speaker 1>fan and a fan of Adornos. This strikes me as

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of cognitive dissonance. You're a big Adornao fan

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<v Speaker 1>and you love jazz. You're a huge jazz fan. Was

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<v Speaker 1>he just wrong or was there Is there anything rescuable

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<v Speaker 1>about what about Teddy's bad opinions about jazz? No, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there is anything rescuable about it. Jeff A.

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<v Speaker 1>Dawes jazz so much that he wrote a whole book

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<v Speaker 1>on it. It's called but Beautiful, and it uses fiction

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine the inner lives of several of the jazz greats.

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<v Speaker 1>Adorno had seen how entertainment of all kinds had been

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<v Speaker 1>corrupted by the Nazis to serve their agenda, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>doubtful he'd ever experienced the virtuosity of a good live

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<v Speaker 1>jazz band. A lot of people use Adornaugh's bad opinions

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<v Speaker 1>about jazz to dismiss him as a snob and an elitist.

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<v Speaker 1>But he saw what he termed entertainment music as a

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<v Speaker 1>tool of power, something that lulled the listener, urging them

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<v Speaker 1>to consume, instead of provoking a genuine emotional and intellectual response.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed very formal in his habits, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he was always sitting in his study. It

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<v Speaker 1>would be nice to meet him vacationally, taking off his

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<v Speaker 1>shoes and going to the beach and Santa Monica and

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<v Speaker 1>having a think. I think somebody asking him about hobbies

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, hobbies. You know, I take all of

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<v Speaker 1>my interests very seriously, and I would never relegate them

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea of hobbies. It's very difficult to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>Adorno ever relaxing at anything except playing a difficult passage

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<v Speaker 1>of Beethoven on the piano. Jeff really likes what he

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<v Speaker 1>calls the tangible quality in Adorna's writing, the way that

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<v Speaker 1>his thoughts are always anchored in something concrete and particular,

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<v Speaker 1>and increasingly, as you learn more about the circumstances in

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<v Speaker 1>which it's written, a lot of what is tang all

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<v Speaker 1>turns out to be. Oh, it's Los Angeles. To give

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<v Speaker 1>you an idea of how La influenced to Dornau's thought,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a passage in Minimumorlia he calls tough Baby. He's

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<v Speaker 1>at the cinema watching the archetypal alpha male of thirties

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood movies. The handsome dinner jacketed figure returning late to

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<v Speaker 1>his bachelor flat, switching on the indirect lighting and mixing

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<v Speaker 1>himself a whiskey and soda. The carefully recorded hissing of

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<v Speaker 1>the mineral Water says what the arrogant mouth keeps to itself,

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<v Speaker 1>that he despises anything that does not smell of smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>leather and shaving cream, particularly women, which is precisely why

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<v Speaker 1>they find him irresistible. You can see the guy in

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<v Speaker 1>front of you, the type of dude who slaps the

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<v Speaker 1>heroine's face to stop her being hysterical. Her Dornaut spools

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<v Speaker 1>out this description into a point about sadism, masochism, and

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<v Speaker 1>the homer erotic mass gualinity of fascism, the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>masculinity that hates anything it defines as feminine. It's typical

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<v Speaker 1>of the way he writes in Minimumoralia, and for me,

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<v Speaker 1>the excitement of it. It's the dialectical method is just

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<v Speaker 1>taken to such a pitch of intensity that an argument

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<v Speaker 1>will be advanced, and then it's flipped right back and

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<v Speaker 1>then back again, and there's this relentless back and forthing

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<v Speaker 1>which is exhausting and incredibly exciting to read, and you

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<v Speaker 1>never quite know where the argument is going to take him.

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<v Speaker 1>You've probably heard of the dialectic, you could call it

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<v Speaker 1>a style of thinking, but for some philosophers it's much

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<v Speaker 1>more than that. Hegel and marks in different ways. Thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was the very motor of human history. Here's how

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<v Speaker 1>it goes. You have a thought, or perhaps a situation,

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<v Speaker 1>a social or political state of affairs. That's the thesis.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's an opposing idea or an opposing force that's

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<v Speaker 1>the antithesis, something that challenges or negates the thesis. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they fight it out. The tension between the two results

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<v Speaker 1>in something that in German is called the alphable. It's

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<v Speaker 1>usually translated as synthesis, but that makes it sound a

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<v Speaker 1>little too neat. What comes out of the clash of

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<v Speaker 1>opposites isn't a nice little package tied up with a bow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a resolution, an end to struggle. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>new state of affairs, something that's soon enough will provoke

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<v Speaker 1>a reaction, starting the whole process again. Adorna is so

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<v Speaker 1>steeped in this stuff that it comes out in the

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<v Speaker 1>very structure of his sentences. When he says the splinter

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<v Speaker 1>in his eye is the best magnifying glass. He's writing dialectically.

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<v Speaker 1>He's taking the conventional idea of knowledge as something to

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<v Speaker 1>do with vision the eye, and clashing it with its antithesis,

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<v Speaker 1>the splinter something that blinds the clash of the eye

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<v Speaker 1>and the glass splinter produces a surprising synthesis, the image

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<v Speaker 1>of a magnifying glass. Something that helps you see better

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<v Speaker 1>out of blindness comes in sight. You can open minimum

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<v Speaker 1>Moralia almost anywhere and see him Judo flipping concepts like this,

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<v Speaker 1>confronting things with their opposites, seeing what shakes out. Adorno

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<v Speaker 1>believes in the value of negativity. The dialectic makes him uneasy.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't say that what emerges from the clash is

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<v Speaker 1>always positive. What was the result of the great political

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<v Speaker 1>clashes of his own time, the Holocaust? So Adorna rejects

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of some magical dialectical synthesis that resolves all disagreements.

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<v Speaker 1>Adorna calls it the negation of negation. But this makes

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<v Speaker 1>me wonder who might be the antithesis of Adorno? If

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<v Speaker 1>he's the high priest of negativity, who's the pope of

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<v Speaker 1>the positive? Positive thinking works? Wonders? And it does too,

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<v Speaker 1>that is for sure, inevitably, indubitably. The man who wants

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<v Speaker 1>to overcome fats with confidence is Norman Vincent Peel, author

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<v Speaker 1>of a book called The Power of Positive Thinking. It

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<v Speaker 1>was published in nineteen fifty two. The year after Adornau's

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<v Speaker 1>minimum Ralia, The Power of Positive Thinking became one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best selling books in American history. Whatever your life

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<v Speaker 1>is this morning, unsatisfactory, unhappy, defeated. Perhaps you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>place We're presides the one who can change everything for

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<v Speaker 1>you by changing you. Peele was pastor of New York

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<v Speaker 1>City's Marble Collegiate Church all the way until his retirement

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty four. Peele preached to his congregation and

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<v Speaker 1>the millions who bought his books that whenever a negative

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<v Speaker 1>thought came to mind, they're supposed to voice a positive thought.

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<v Speaker 1>The goal was a state of permanent positivity, a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of self hypnosis. So when the app on my phone

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<v Speaker 1>tells me I am unique, I'm not supposed to question it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's negativity. It will prevent me from being successful. Stamp

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<v Speaker 1>indelibly on your mind a mental picture of yourself as succeeding.

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<v Speaker 1>Norman Peele urges us hold this picture tenaciously, never permitted

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<v Speaker 1>to fade. But Peel didn't invent the idea of positive thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a long history. Someone who knows all about

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<v Speaker 1>this is the journalist Barbara Aaron Reich. Arin Reich is

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<v Speaker 1>a heroine of mine. When she wanted to write about

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<v Speaker 1>low waged labor in America's she spent time working as

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<v Speaker 1>a waitress and a home help. A few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote a book about positive thinking called Bright Sided.

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<v Speaker 1>How the relentless promotion of positive thinking is undermining America.

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<v Speaker 1>She told me that positive thinking grew dialectically enough out

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<v Speaker 1>of negativity. It all started because people in nineteenth century

0:27:59.450 --> 0:28:07.330
<v Speaker 1>America were depressed. Our culture here has a strong tinge

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<v Speaker 1>of Puritanism, that would be the English inheritance. The tendency

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteenth century was to see that you had

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<v Speaker 1>you had no future that you could control, because God

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<v Speaker 1>had already decided, possibly before you were even born, about

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<v Speaker 1>whether you will get into heaven or not. Calvinism was

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<v Speaker 1>the version of Protestant Christianity followed by the Puritan colonists.

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<v Speaker 1>It taught that even before the creation of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>God had decided that only one hundred and forty four

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<v Speaker 1>thousand souls were predestined to get into heaven. Either you

0:28:47.410 --> 0:28:50.850
<v Speaker 1>were lucky and pre approved, or you were going to burn.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of hard to imagine living with that over

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<v Speaker 1>hanging over you all at all times when you're morbidly

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<v Speaker 1>convinced you're going to hell, You'll turn to anyone or

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<v Speaker 1>anything that can make you feel better. So people would

0:29:05.650 --> 0:29:09.850
<v Speaker 1>seek forms of healing. And there were also of quacks

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<v Speaker 1>around willing to provide some form of healing for people

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<v Speaker 1>in these states of existential depression. But the most interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to me was a man named Phineas Quimby. He lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Maine. He was a watchmaker by trade, but very

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<v Speaker 1>very interested in this issue of depression. And while we're Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>so tortured by their likely future, which was likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be hell, Phineas Quimby started a movement called new Thought.

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<v Speaker 1>He taught the illness was just a disturbance in the

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<v Speaker 1>mind and could be cured by thinking positively. One of

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<v Speaker 1>Quimby's associates was Mary Baker Eddie, the founder of Christian Science.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've ever been to a motivational seminar or seen

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<v Speaker 1>a life coach, you've been exposed to new Thought. Quimby

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<v Speaker 1>is the ancestor of everyone from Tony Robbins to books

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<v Speaker 1>like The Secret, the international best seller that promises that,

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<v Speaker 1>because of something called the law of attraction, you can

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<v Speaker 1>think good things into your life. Money, a good job,

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<v Speaker 1>The Secret is part of a very modern form of

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<v Speaker 1>American Christianity, the exact opposite of the religion practiced by

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<v Speaker 1>the dour, hell obsessed Puritans of Your Yes. The Prosperity

0:30:40.970 --> 0:30:46.970
<v Speaker 1>Gospel movement is positive thinking applied to religion. The pastor

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you, or or rate to that you can

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<v Speaker 1>have everything because God wants you to have everything. Barbara

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Reich was first exposed to positive thinking at a

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<v Speaker 1>rough time in her life. One I was diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 1>breast cancer. Suddenly I became fascinated not by the biology

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<v Speaker 1>of cancer, which would have made more sense to me

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<v Speaker 1>as a somebody with PhD in biology, but more the

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<v Speaker 1>anthropology of cancer. You will recover from your illness if

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<v Speaker 1>you think positively about recovery. So the idea is if

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<v Speaker 1>you express that you're angry, or you know, you complain

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<v Speaker 1>about the bad luck even that made you have the disease,

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<v Speaker 1>that this actually reduces your chance of being cured. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you find yourself just getting steadily worse, well,

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<v Speaker 1>who do you have to blame for that? Listening to Barbara,

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<v Speaker 1>it's obvious that not everything about positive thinking is well positive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a way of blaming people for the problems in

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<v Speaker 1>their lives, of privatizing problems. But hey, let's look on

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<v Speaker 1>the bright side. And Norman Vincent Peel, the Great Norman

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent Peel was my pastor. The power of positive thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody's heard of Norman Vincent Peale. He was so great.

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<v Speaker 1>He would give a sermon you never wanted to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we have sermons and every once in a while

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<v Speaker 1>we think about leaving a little early, right, even though

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<v Speaker 1>we're Christian. Doctor Norman Vincent Peale, Frank would give a sermon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, I still remember his sermons. It was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>And what he would do is he'd bring real life situations,

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<v Speaker 1>modern day situations into the sermon, and you could listen

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<v Speaker 1>to him all day long. He listened in. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>grew up going to Norman Vincent Peale's church. Peel officiated

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<v Speaker 1>at his first marriage and buried his parents. The mind

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<v Speaker 1>can overcome any obstacle, Trump told The New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>in the early eighties. I never think of the negative.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see Trump using the power of positive thinking

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<v Speaker 1>every day. Everything is perfect. Great. Trump's current pastor is

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<v Speaker 1>the televangelist Paula White. The President even gave her a

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<v Speaker 1>job as a special advisor at the White House. The

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<v Speaker 1>mind is the battle field, So the quality of life

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<v Speaker 1>that I live is determined by the quality of mind

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<v Speaker 1>that I have. In essence, our life is what our

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts make us. In this Peel Trump White universe, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no dialectic, no clash of opposites. There's only the positive.

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<v Speaker 1>There are not twelve tones. There's only one extra credit

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<v Speaker 1>if you can name the title of this song. Paula

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<v Speaker 1>White's third and current husband is the keyboard player in

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<v Speaker 1>the band Journey for positive thinkers and prosperity gospel preachers.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't stop believing. If we do, whatever bad things

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<v Speaker 1>come our way are clearly our own fault. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>your thesis is simple, don't stop believe it that some

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<v Speaker 1>were born to win and some to lose, and some

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<v Speaker 1>were born to sing the blues, that the movie never ends,

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<v Speaker 1>it goes on and on and on. What's the antithesis

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<v Speaker 1>of that. It's that when someone tells you to believe,

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<v Speaker 1>a red light should go on in your head, you

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<v Speaker 1>should push back. You should ask questions like is this

0:34:54.370 --> 0:34:59.410
<v Speaker 1>belief really so optimistic or is it just disgusting fatalism.

0:34:59.570 --> 0:35:03.330
<v Speaker 1>People aren't born to win or lose their situations of

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<v Speaker 1>the results of social conditions, and those social conditions can

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<v Speaker 1>be changed. That's certainly what Teddy Adorno believed. One difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>Adorno had in La was that he didn't drive. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that in the fantastical love of cars resonates the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling of physical homelessness, but that homelessness was actually something

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<v Speaker 1>he identified with. He was homeless, an emigrant, an exile,

0:35:34.810 --> 0:35:38.130
<v Speaker 1>and though he didn't drive, he rather enjoyed road trips.

0:35:38.970 --> 0:35:41.810
<v Speaker 1>He and his wife, Gretel went to Tahoe, to Palm

0:35:41.890 --> 0:35:44.530
<v Speaker 1>Springs and all the way down to the Mexican border.

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<v Speaker 1>Gretel drove, Teddy navigated. For her birthday one year, he

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<v Speaker 1>bore her a brand new dark blue Ford that they

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<v Speaker 1>called Aladdin Chien or Little Aladdin. During their La exile,

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<v Speaker 1>the Adornos lived in a house in Brentwood. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make a pilgrimage there, and I assume my friend

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff will take me. But it turns out that his

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<v Speaker 1>Adorno worship has gone a little too far. Okay, hunter,

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<v Speaker 1>So keep your eyes on the road and your hands

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<v Speaker 1>upon the wheel. No crashing crunch like a Doorno before him.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff doesn't drive, so my producer Hunter volunteers to drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff navigates. We are on are we on Fourth Street

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<v Speaker 1>in Santa Monica coming up to Wilshire. It's fourth and

0:36:41.570 --> 0:36:45.930
<v Speaker 1>this is Wilshire is a willshare and Santa Monica Boulevard

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<v Speaker 1>in I mean, they're increasingly kind of close to my

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<v Speaker 1>heart because there's all these kind of places specializing and

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<v Speaker 1>orthopedic orthopedic mattresses and knee braces and all this kind

0:36:58.930 --> 0:37:01.770
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. There we go, there's a physic Yeah, there's

0:37:01.810 --> 0:37:05.810
<v Speaker 1>no endless places for physical therapy. Because the key thing

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<v Speaker 1>about life in Los Angeles, of course, is you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to continue playing tennis, paddle tennis and

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<v Speaker 1>running until you're well into your hundreds. Do you spend

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time at that paddle tennis court on

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<v Speaker 1>the beach? No, sir, I despise paddle tennis because I

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<v Speaker 1>still play proper tennis. I wondered whether you'd reduced your standards. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that will never happen. And also I still I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't play doubles, and I feel so cut off

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<v Speaker 1>from things that are going on in Europe, and you

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<v Speaker 1>think of Adorno here without any Internet and anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There where the crucible of the Second World War in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe being removedment So there they are. There, They're here

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<v Speaker 1>there on the sort of the edge of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>There must have seemed to them. Still seems that way

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Now, you know, by the way, you can't Yeah,

0:37:56.010 --> 0:37:58.610
<v Speaker 1>you can't go. You know what's the next stop? Hawaii?

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<v Speaker 1>Our next stop is Brentwood, where Teddy lived in exile. Yeah,

0:38:03.330 --> 0:38:05.890
<v Speaker 1>there's cars, there's no people that If we do, there'll

0:38:05.890 --> 0:38:09.490
<v Speaker 1>probably be somebody jogging at some point. Brentwood is a

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<v Speaker 1>very neat place. It seems rich, but without the excitement

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<v Speaker 1>that some rich places have. It seems like the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of neighborhood where your neighbors will complain if you forget

0:38:19.770 --> 0:38:23.690
<v Speaker 1>to cut your front lawn. I think this is it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Adornau hoarse. It is a very ordinary

0:38:27.730 --> 0:38:32.890
<v Speaker 1>looking house on a busy street. Cars are rushing by.

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<v Speaker 1>So how strange, Harry, We're the only we're the only

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<v Speaker 1>pilgrims here today. Do you think there are often a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of critical theorists, kind of bad analyzing on the

0:38:44.250 --> 0:38:48.730
<v Speaker 1>sidewalk outside surprised that we're not seeing Freddie Jameson and

0:38:49.490 --> 0:38:52.490
<v Speaker 1>Harry Anderson here and Martin j I'm sure he's here

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<v Speaker 1>most days, isn't he, Sir? I don't know how you

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<v Speaker 1>feel the general. I don't know what are your feelings

0:39:05.890 --> 0:39:10.050
<v Speaker 1>generally about literary pilgrimage. Is it something you always up for?

0:39:11.050 --> 0:39:14.690
<v Speaker 1>I am always up for it, and I'm I'm always disappointed.

0:39:14.850 --> 0:39:18.490
<v Speaker 1>But the but the the disappointment is kind of baked

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<v Speaker 1>in because it just reminds you of the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>what's made in somewhere and the location, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we will learn virtually nothing about about the

0:39:30.610 --> 0:39:34.730
<v Speaker 1>mind that was at work there. But somehow it's still

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<v Speaker 1>satisfying to have come. I'm pleased, I've I've come to

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<v Speaker 1>Brentwood today with you. Jeff. Well, unfortunately this isn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a very dialectical exchange because Harry has said

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what I think. Jeff talks about his various disappointments,

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<v Speaker 1>some dialectical, some tennis related, and we stare at the

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<v Speaker 1>very ordinary White House with its double garage. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're here. I'm not getting the Adorno vibe, but you,

0:40:03.050 --> 0:40:07.970
<v Speaker 1>as your Geiger counter registering some some style. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an intensive a case of the dialectic. I'd love to

0:40:11.890 --> 0:40:18.290
<v Speaker 1>say yes, but I'm yeah. I mean here we are

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<v Speaker 1>failing to have profound things to say in the house

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<v Speaker 1>in front of us. The exiled Adorno wrote this, What

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<v Speaker 1>does it mean for the subject? That there are no

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<v Speaker 1>window shutters anymore which can be opened, but only frames

0:40:39.210 --> 0:40:43.730
<v Speaker 1>to be brusquely shoved. No gentle latches, but only handles

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<v Speaker 1>to be turned, No front lawn, no barrier against the street,

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<v Speaker 1>no wall around the garden. Magnolia on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of this wall. Actually there is a wall around the garden,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not sure if a door had it put

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<v Speaker 1>in or what? Thank you? Here in this house, the

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<v Speaker 1>grumpy European Adorno was faced with his antithesis, sunny, positive

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<v Speaker 1>thinking California. What came out of the clash well, actually,

0:41:17.850 --> 0:41:22.450
<v Speaker 1>despite himself, he had some fun. He made some new friends,

0:41:23.050 --> 0:41:26.690
<v Speaker 1>including some of the Hollywood people whose work he officially despised.

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<v Speaker 1>One night in nineteen forty seven, Adornau showed up at

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<v Speaker 1>the after party for a private screening of Charlie Chaplain's

0:41:33.970 --> 0:41:38.410
<v Speaker 1>film Monsieur valdu Adornaugh and Chaplin got together around the

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<v Speaker 1>piano while Adornau played selections from Verdi and Wagner Chaplain

0:41:43.450 --> 0:41:46.930
<v Speaker 1>did hilarious mimes, the two of them being thoroughly silly,

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<v Speaker 1>to the delight of all their friends. But eventually Adornaugh

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<v Speaker 1>went back to Germany, where he became one of the

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<v Speaker 1>nation's most famous thinkers. Once again, he taught at the

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<v Speaker 1>Frankfurt School. In nineteen sixty nine, the school was occupied

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<v Speaker 1>by striking students. In a statement, they said that the

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<v Speaker 1>Frankfurt School was no longer critical enough. They accused Adornau

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<v Speaker 1>and his colleagues of training them to be domesticated revolutionaries,

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<v Speaker 1>what they termed the integrated allies of the authoritarian state. Adorno,

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<v Speaker 1>the self proclaimed revolutionary, called the police. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>moment of defeat. Outraged, the students distributed a flyer with

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<v Speaker 1>the slogan Adornaut as institution is dead. The final humiliation

0:42:40.490 --> 0:42:45.530
<v Speaker 1>was the so called bouzon axion or breast action. Radical

0:42:45.570 --> 0:42:49.730
<v Speaker 1>students disrupted his class and young women surrounded him, bearing

0:42:49.730 --> 0:42:53.290
<v Speaker 1>their breasts and showering him with flower petals. The old

0:42:53.330 --> 0:42:57.370
<v Speaker 1>man picked up his hat and coat and fled. Within

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<v Speaker 1>a year he was dead, suffering a heart attack on

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<v Speaker 1>a country hike. Norman Vincent Peale lived to a ripe

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<v Speaker 1>old age, finally dying of a stroke at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of ninety five, and much to everyone's surprise, his acolyte

0:43:13.010 --> 0:43:17.570
<v Speaker 1>became president, positively thinking his way through the hardest of problems,

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<v Speaker 1>from global destant to global pandemics, buoyed up by his

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<v Speaker 1>unwavering belief in his own stable genius. We will have

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<v Speaker 1>a very successful vaccine, therapeutic and cure would make in

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous progress. Ideal with these credible scientists, doctors, the best,

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<v Speaker 1>the smartest, the most brilliant anywhere, and they've come up

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<v Speaker 1>with the age vaccine. In Minimumoralia, there's a section titled simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Simon Adorno describes what he calls colorful personalities, people who

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<v Speaker 1>plunge passionately into the privilege of the self. Their eager,

0:44:02.050 --> 0:44:08.090
<v Speaker 1>uninhibited impulsiveness, their sudden fancies, their originality, even if it

0:44:08.210 --> 0:44:13.370
<v Speaker 1>be only a helia odiousness, even their garbles language turn

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<v Speaker 1>human qualities into a clown costume. Positivity isn't a bad thing.

0:44:22.210 --> 0:44:25.010
<v Speaker 1>It's good to believe in yourself, to say I can

0:44:25.450 --> 0:44:28.730
<v Speaker 1>rather than I can't. But the idea that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>even risk thinking negative thoughts for fear that they'll infect

0:44:32.050 --> 0:44:35.770
<v Speaker 1>your mind. Well, that's just nonsense. It's the thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>a child who's scared of the dark. I could be

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<v Speaker 1>communing now, hurry, but that moment of communion has mean

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<v Speaker 1>rather hunch and I could take a walk down and

0:44:48.130 --> 0:44:49.450
<v Speaker 1>we could walk a little bit with a little way

0:44:49.490 --> 0:44:53.250
<v Speaker 1>down the block and leave you, leave you communions. Sobbing

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<v Speaker 1>here at the altar of the dialectic. Yeah, Perhaps the alphabon,

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<v Speaker 1>the synthesis of Peel and Adorno is a kind of determination,

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<v Speaker 1>a willingness to forge your head without being lied to you.

0:45:11.730 --> 0:45:15.850
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps true positive thinking. He's about being able to face

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<v Speaker 1>reality without flinching. Our pilgrimage complete. We bid our feeders

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<v Speaker 1>in to Adorno and Scherenberg and the other Germans trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in sunny California. Oh but I'm not done with Germans yet,

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<v Speaker 1>not by a long shot. He was afraid from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even to the point of being paranoid. And

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<v Speaker 1>he used to like write the songs and immediately memorize them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he would burn the paper. He literally burn

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<v Speaker 1>it so it would be gone next week on into

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<v Speaker 1>the zone. We'll eavesdrop on an East German cat and

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<v Speaker 1>mouse game between the Secret Police and a teenage punk

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<v Speaker 1>rocker listening Never Please. Into the Zone is produced by

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<v Speaker 1>the most brilliant anywhere Harry Country two