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Speaker 1: Welcome inside. With the inside there's once again alongside Mike Garrifolo,

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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport and Judy Bautista. Part two of this Monday

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Speaker 1: YouTube and podcast edition. Mike is in Pittsburgh and the

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Speaker 1: Steelers and Giants tonight. We will get to more on

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Speaker 1: that game in just a little bit here, but the

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Speaker 1: train deadline quickly bearing down on us. We are eight

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Speaker 1: days out and Mike's surprise, surprise, it's the Chiefs making

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Speaker 1: another big addition today.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs adding Josh Uch, the pass rusher from the

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots who was a free agent this offseason

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Speaker 2: and did have a significant offer.

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Speaker 3: Do we ever say who the team was? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I know we reported the numbers. That was what eleven

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Speaker 3: or thirteen million? It was a Rams.

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Speaker 2: He almost went to the Rams, but decided to stay

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Speaker 2: with the Patriots on a one year, three million dollar

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Speaker 2: deal instead of as like eleven or thirteen guaranteed over

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Speaker 2: two is much much more than he's gotten and is

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Speaker 2: gonna wind up getting, it seems like. And I pulled

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Speaker 2: the quote today he said, you know, it's his dream

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Speaker 2: to play for the Patriots and this is the team

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Speaker 2: that he wanted to play for, and then halfway through

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Speaker 2: the season he gets dealt I mean, and I don't

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Speaker 2: blame the team, because the Patriots made it clear they

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Speaker 2: were not interested in doing a multi year deal, which

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Speaker 2: he wanted, and they were only interested in a one

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Speaker 2: year deal on a much smaller number than he probably

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Speaker 2: would have gotten elsewhere as well. So I hope this

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Speaker 2: is a cautionary tale both for players and fans too,

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Speaker 2: Like if you've got a bag of money in front

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Speaker 2: of you and you don't from another team, this team

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Speaker 2: doesn't know you anything, and especially when.

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Speaker 3: They're being crystal clear with you upfront.

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Speaker 2: So I feel for josh Ucha on this one because

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Speaker 2: I feel like he may have been in a better situation.

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Speaker 2: It's his life, he's free to make his own decisions,

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Speaker 2: but it's not just a financial things. A lot of

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Speaker 2: times will say, oh, look at all the money he

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Speaker 2: left on the table, but the guy's happier elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: That's not the case in this one. So Ucha, who was.

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Speaker 2: The subject of inquiries from a couple of teams over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of days, a healthy scratch on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: which we knew was an indication that there was a

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Speaker 2: trade coming. Now heads to the Chiefs who got some

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Speaker 2: guys up front. Certainly Chris Jones has played well. George

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Speaker 2: Karloft has had a good game yesterday from what I saw.

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Speaker 2: And now you add a guy that if Spag can

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Speaker 2: get his head right and say, hey, you're not a

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Speaker 2: Patriot anymore. Now you got to set yourself up for

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Speaker 2: your future, could be a nice little weapon for the

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Speaker 2: chief for.

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Speaker 3: The depending champs here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, josh Ujay's career arc has been

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Speaker 4: odd because he had double digit sacks.

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Speaker 5: His it was either a second year or rookie year

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Speaker 4: Ago, and you're kind of like, wow, there's like an

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Speaker 4: up and coming pastor. And then you know it's almost

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Speaker 4: And if I could be in the NFL, that would

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Speaker 4: definitely be my job. I would only rush the pastor

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Speaker 4: what he decided to be. Except the Patriots don't really

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Speaker 4: do that. They they will blitz plenty, but it's not

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Speaker 4: they don't really have like guys who just come in

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Speaker 4: don't know if that's why he was an active Sunday.

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Speaker 4: felt like there was a pretty decent chance they belt

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Speaker 4: trade him, but it wasn't a good fit. He turned

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Speaker 4: down a lot of money, and even I remember covering

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Speaker 4: that at the time, and it felt like even the

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Speaker 4: to take that offer, we totally get it. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: And they're like, really, I'm gonna read because I actually

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Speaker 1: Josh Housey had several offers in clean one worth fifteen

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Speaker 1: less a one year, three million dollar deal with upside

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Speaker 1: Like that doesn't happen a whole lot. I remember getting

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Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, I think fans public like

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Speaker 6: there's something romantic about the idea of a guy turning

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Speaker 6: down a bundle of money because the heart is in

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Speaker 6: one place, and that's lovely. But this is the this

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Speaker 6: is the reality of it, right, Like his heart was

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Speaker 6: that you have here is I mean, he is going

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Speaker 6: you're going to be traded a place that you know

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Speaker 6: out of a place that you loved. He's going to

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Speaker 6: like for the last few seasons, like he was, he

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Speaker 6: didn't fit. It's just like he he didn't fit there,

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Speaker 6: him presumably knows it has a role for him, knows Spags,

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Speaker 6: he can now use the second half of the season

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Speaker 6: and the postseason to make himself a bundle of money.

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Speaker 6: And this is why fans hate it when we say it,

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Speaker 6: but like, take the money. It's a business. It's a business,

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Chiefs are accumulating players much like we used

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Speaker 1: to see the Patriots do for a long time, which was, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Hey you're a veteran who's not making a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: we'll trade something that you know LATERU on pickform. Not

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Speaker 1: in any way to criticize what the Patriots are doing here.

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Speaker 1: They got other guys that they like it, they think

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Speaker 1: But the Chiefs, you look at the number of guys

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Speaker 1: you roll forward from there. Let's get some other injury

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Speaker 1: news out of those games yesterday, one significant one. Jordan Love,

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Speaker 1: it becomes a parent pretty quickly that there's not that

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Speaker 1: Maybe just put it out for one week, then rest

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Speaker 1: So second time that they've dodged a bullet with the

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Speaker 1: another win yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Malik Willis, one of the NFL's most dependable backups, has

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Speaker 5: That's just an awesome thing.

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Speaker 4: I'm only laughing because we pay, you know, like if

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Speaker 4: game ends, and then the coach always addresses injuries, and

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Speaker 4: you know, sometimes they can say a lot, sometimes they

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Speaker 5: Or like we think he'll be okay, all right.

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Speaker 4: Matt Lafleur yesterday said we have great concern and so

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Speaker 4: I'm like, does he mean something different because it didn't

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Speaker 5: LaForce say great concern? Maybe there's something we don't know.

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Speaker 1: of concern? Basically was saying, was I'm very easy quarterback?

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Speaker 1: He didn't finish the game. It was it was painful.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who's pulled their growing nose like that hurts man

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Speaker 3: But obviously you know you're growing tom When was that?

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Speaker 1: I mean many times playing baseball and stuff like the

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Speaker 1: a It's not a not a great theory.

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Speaker 5: And I wasn't doing probably in the NFL, We're definitely not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. Other other news, uh, Vawn Diggs, Mike We've

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Speaker 1: does not sound good. The Texans estimate injury report today,

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Speaker 1: he's listed as a non participant. It seems at this

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Speaker 1: the Texans team that's already down Nico Collins now as

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Speaker 1: their other top wide receiver on the shelf, and definitely.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're doing this at four forty five in the

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Speaker 2: afternoon Eastern Usually at this point by now you've got

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Speaker 2: All he said at his press conference was that they

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Speaker 2: are going undergoing further testing, continuing to undergo testing, which

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Speaker 2: a lot of times means a second opinion to see

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Speaker 2: what you saw in the first one from another.

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Speaker 5: Stage, to get it better. You can get a better

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Speaker 3: You don't like the first one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not saying that's happening though, but not great. So

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Speaker 2: if they had good news, they would have thundered it.

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Speaker 2: The Texans was this question of how bad the news is,

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Speaker 6: No, they all do, they all do, and you just

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Speaker 5: Now he was bad.

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Speaker 5: Now, Mike, if.

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Speaker 1: He's playing well, Mike, I don't think that. I don't

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Speaker 3: If you were to rank one to thirty two.

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Speaker 2: It like the the hottest markets for a quarterback controversy,

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Speaker 1: Well and think about this too, then do you want

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Speaker 5: Like it's a challenge, right.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you play? You come up with a

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Speaker 1: You didn't draft Anthony Richardson to be an All Pro

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Speaker 4: It's not over if you have to bench him. But

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Speaker 5: But thankfully we'll have a lot more time to discuss

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Speaker 6: like is he just trolling everybody? He's got something with everybody.

436
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 6: I love that they just put their foot on the

437
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 6: gas and gun it all the time. They don't let up.

438
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 6: They are I mean, listen, I mean I assume if

439
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 6: they they're going to have home field advantage in the

440
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 6: NFC unless the wheels just completely fly off at this point.

441
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 6: Poor are they going to be tough to be in

442
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 6: that building?

443
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 4: And it's their best start ever as we can see

444
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 4: right in the in the lower third.

445
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 1: Right even record aside. Do you know what I would

446
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: argue this wasn't the best start ever for the Lions.

447
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't around for the night, you could just

448
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: guess the Lions, but like this looks like one of

449
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 1: the best teams that we've seen in like the last

450
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: ten years right now, Like that's that's how legit they

451
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: seem right now.

452
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 4: Well, I wasn't going to talk about that. Well, I

453
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 4: wanted to talk about is how they do not stop.

454
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Speaker 4: And this has sort of come up in my brain

455
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 4: a lot because of what Sean Payton did to the Panthers,

456
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 4: who's clearly still mad at for not hiring him, and

457
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 4: what the Lions did last week, and I'm sort of

458
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 4: along the lines of thinking that, like, look, there's something

459
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 4: really cool about putting in your backups and like that,

460
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 4: like declaring victory like that's a really you know, the

461
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 4: forcing it like basically putting up the white flag like

462
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 4: that's a cool thing. The Lions do not care and

463
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 4: do not stop and have no problem with humiliating you.

464
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 4: And it is your job to stop them. And if

465
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 4: you don't like that, sucks. But they are not gonna stop.

466
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 4: And there's a part of me that's kind of like,

467
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 4: this is really what it's about, because like at like

468
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 4: just pour it on and like you're gonna need all

469
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 4: the players, You're gonna need all the practice, you're gonna

470
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 4: need all the reps. It's about winning Super Bowl. It's

471
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 4: not about making friends. Like I'm sure Dan Campbell he's

472
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 4: a good dude. Like I'm sure he has a lot

473
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Speaker 4: of friends. He doesn't need more. The Lions just never

474
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 4: stop and they come at you from all different ways.

475
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 4: They didn't even play well yesterday on offense, I didn't

476
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 4: think and they still just absolutely overwhelmed the team.

477
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Speaker 5: It is. It is something to watch, man, Mike.

478
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Speaker 2: It's a great transition for me because I'm gonna talk

479
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: about Dave Phipp And if you thought Dave Phipp was

480
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: gonna get a mention on the Monday insiders at any

481
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: point this season. Uh, I guess you know football because

482
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 2: he's a good special teams coach.

483
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Speaker 1: He was great.

484
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Speaker 3: His special teams were great. Uh.

485
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: A seventy two yard kick return when you said they

486
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: didn't play well. Like every special teams coordinator across the

487
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: country is lining up to smack you.

488
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: Iand there's three.

489
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: They know I'm not a big special teams guy anyway.

490
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 4: I think they know that.

491
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: At least you're honest with them. There's three phases to

492
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: the game. There's offense, there's defense, and there's special teams.

493
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: A seventy two yard return and then Khaliff Raymond.

494
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: Dave Fipp got a.

495
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: Game ball, so did Khalif Raymond, with one hundred and

496
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: ninety yards, including a touchdown on putt returns. Kalif Raymond,

497
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: if you've ever seen him and Ian, you know you

498
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Speaker 2: cover all these games that you cover that we talked

499
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Speaker 2: about earlier. If you've ever been around Khalif Raymond, I

500
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 2: was saw him in the locker room.

501
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 3: My man is like he's tiny, He's like five foot eight.

502
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 3: He's like he's like Ian. You know, it's like Ian

503
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: out there doing that kind of stuff. So little guy

504
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: played big yesterday.

505
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good day.

506
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 5: On my license. I am five eight. You know what's

507
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 5: funny about.

508
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: We've actually measured? Are you like five seven in three quarters?

509
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: When they do that thing at the doctor, your your

510
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: physical and they put the thing down on your head,

511
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: where are you coming in?

512
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 5: So anyway is interesting to me.

513
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 6: I have taken off heels when I'm doing a stand

514
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 6: up next to you.

515
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 5: And let's just say that there is a head coach

516
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 5: that I know.

517
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: On a Monday. Okay, go on, there's a head.

518
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: Coach that I know whose favorite player is Khalif Raymon.

519
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 4: I will not name this head coach because I didn't

520
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 4: ask if I could make this public, but he loves

521
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 4: Khalif Raymond so much. Now, this is not like a star.

522
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 4: That's an unfair lower thirty. That's unfair at least five

523
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 4: seven and a half. But anyway, a friend of mine

524
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 4: just got a backstretcher and I was like, you know

525
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 4: what I should do more in my life stretching my

526
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 4: back babe.

527
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: So I started doing ploties. I gained an inch of.

528
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: Height and away. So anyway, Khalif Rayman is like a

529
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 5: favorite of coaches. He is not very big. He works

530
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 5: very hard. He is electric.

531
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Speaker 4: I don't know that it'll ever be a star, but

532
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: every time he makes great plays, I'm always like, all right,

533
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 4: happy for that, dude.

534
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 5: Jerks.

535
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: Uh, that's.

536
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mike. Do you want to get in

537
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: on that. We we got it, we went I did.

538
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: I was all I had to contribute there.

539
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I would say this too. Credit again you

540
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: talk about Dave pipp He was the special teams coordinator

541
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: on that Eagles team that won the Super Bowl. Was

542
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: the staff that Dan Campbell put together. And also, like

543
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: this is like a macro thought that I had yesterday.

544
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: How many of the best teams in the NFL right now?

545
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: Like that, the hottest teams are right now led by

546
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: the coach who was not getting hired any place else.

547
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn was the last coach hired in the cycle

548
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: last year. He had been in the coaching cycle for

549
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: three years and right now he's got one of the

550
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: most fun teams in the NFL. And watched it and

551
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: Campbell had had a few interviews. Nobody else was going

552
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: to hire him that year. The Lions did all their research,

553
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: they hired him. Matt Lafleur was the last coach hired

554
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: all the craziest thing.

555
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 5: I thought he was in trouble as an offensive coordinator.

556
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: But he had one interview and the Packers hired him.

557
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: And you know, you watch them what they do. Even

558
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: when Jordan Love gets knocked out and Lake Willis is

559
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: in there, it's one of the best coaches in the game.

560
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: All which is to say, you know, like Ben Johnson

561
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: is going to be a hot head coaching candidate again

562
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: this year. I personally believe Ben jons could be a really,

563
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: really good head coach in the NFL. But just because

564
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: your team hires the guy that nobody else was gonna hire,

565
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: Like sometimes he's the best one. Sometimes you kind of

566
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: go back to basics of just like who's the best

567
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: dude and the best football guy and just wants it

568
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: more than everybody else that knows how to build a

569
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, we think he can build a culture. Like

570
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: there's a randomness to all of this, know, and those

571
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: teams have benefited. Nobody wanted to hire Sean Payton either.

572
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: I mean, Sean Payton interviewed for a bunch of jobs

573
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: that year. I shouldn't say nobody wanted to hire him.

574
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: There were other teams such as the Panthers, who had

575
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: the opportunity to hire him right now. You know they're

576
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: they're one of the you know, I think surprise teams.

577
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: It's fair to say. I don't think Sean's surprised by it.

578
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: I would tell you Sean was definitely aware of the

579
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: over under on wins, which I think was five and

580
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: a half or six and a half going into the season. Uh,

581
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: they've already won five games, Judy through the season. I

582
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: think the best thing that you can say about the

583
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Broncos right now is bo Nicks kind of like Drake

584
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: May and New England for all the air stuff going

585
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: on Denver, they're they're a much better rockster than what

586
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: in New England right now. But bow Knicks, regardless of

587
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: what's happening around him, You're seeing him take forward each week.

588
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, maybe maybe Sean Payton out up extra thing yesterday.

589
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, Sean Payton is another one who like it's

590
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 6: got the brain of an elephant, Like everything is stored here.

591
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 6: He's not going to forget anything.

592
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 5: We know, right, we know, we'll.

593
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: Know, we've all everybody's everybody's got.

594
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 6: A little They've certainly exceeded I think where where they

595
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 6: were projected to be, you know, and even if they

596
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 6: don't make the playoffs in the a f C field,

597
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 6: which they could certainly make the playoffs in the a

598
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 6: f C field certainly as a wild card, they are

599
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 6: well ahead. And bone Knicks is well ahead of where

600
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 6: you thought he was going to be at this point. Like,

601
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 6: you know, I remember when they drafted him and it's like, okay,

602
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 6: you know, he needs a lot of work. And then

603
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 6: it looked you know, it looked bad very early on

604
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: in the season. Right, oh, this is not going to

605
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 6: be good. This is going to be a terrible season.

606
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 6: And then you're right, Like, even when they're losing games,

607
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 6: you can see bone Nicks making progress, the same as

608
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 6: you can with Drake May who we didn't touch on

609
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 6: that he suffered a concussion, by the way, but like

610
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 6: that's all good. And I mean, this is what Sean

611
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 6: Payton is hired to do, right is work with quarterbacks.

612
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 6: This is this is his calling card. How far they

613
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 6: can get this season, I don't know. Uh, there doesn't

614
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 6: look like they're going to be able to catch the

615
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 6: Chiefs for sure for the division, but there's gonna be

616
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 6: some room there in the wild card situation, because it

617
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 6: doesn't look like a wild card is going to come

618
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 6: out of the AFC East, probably not out of the South,

619
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 6: you know, so you gotta they got a shot there.

620
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: I mean, no, I'm just gonna say, this is the

621
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: litmus test this week is going into Baltimore and can

622
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: you make none. You got Baltimore coming off a loss too,

623
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: so you know they're going to be breathing fire. So

624
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: that's that's a really interesting one to say. Okay, are

625
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: they kind of fattening up against maybe some teams that

626
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: whether it's the Saints without their quarterback or the Panthers

627
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: without an offense according to Sean Payton, who I don't know.

628
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: I've never seen a coach be so honest, and I.

629
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: Can't rip them for it. I can't rip them for

630
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: it because we always want these guys to be honest.

631
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: So if you're if you're honest, you can't be like,

632
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: well you should this said that, No, we want that

633
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: as the media, So I guess I appreciate that. I

634
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: know the Panthers probably didn't and maybe some other coaches

635
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: around the league didn't.

636
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: We just flashed the thing up there.

637
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: It said, uh Bo Nicks three touchdowns passing and one

638
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: receiving I'm sorry, and one rushing in a game. The

639
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 2: first Broncos quarterback in history to do that.

640
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: How is that possible?

641
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 2: John Elway never never heard three pass teas, oh and

642
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: no interception, so Elwait probably did it with a pick.

643
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. So that's a pretty clean right there.

644
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: Clean sheet.

645
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: Good job, bon Necks, clean sheet.

646
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 5: There you go.

647
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: The one thing I was going to say real quick,

648
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: and I know we got to get out here talking about.

649
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 5: Head coaching hires and whatever.

650
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: I feel like Van Joseph has earned his status as

651
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 4: a top head coach candidate.

652
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 5: His defense is awesome. He has been there, he had a.

653
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 4: Terrible situation with a terrible quarterback situation in Denver. He

654
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Speaker 4: has done absolutely everything he possibly can. Like, I feel

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Speaker 4: like that he has earned his opportunity to be a

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Speaker 4: head coach again. And you know this is the Broncos

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Speaker 4: are surprisingly good and a lot of it is because

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Speaker 4: their defense is really, really good.

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Speaker 5: And I think he's a big reason why.

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Speaker 1: Every team has different criteria when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: head coach hiring process. There's some teams that are not

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Speaker 1: going to hire I mean vance isn't that old, but

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Speaker 1: he's in his fifties at this point, fifty something year old,

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Speaker 1: second time defensive minded head coach. It's the same reason

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Speaker 1: that dan Quinn, for all the interviews, didn't get a

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Speaker 1: job for three years. There's a young Todd Balls.

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Speaker 4: Yes, nobody wants a defensive coach unless you want to

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Speaker 4: go to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And right there's there's a lot of good coaches, and

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe what dan Quinn's doing right now in Washington

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Speaker 1: might open some doors for teams to kind of consider

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Speaker 1: something different before we get to the Monday night game.

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Speaker 1: I think we'd be remiss if we did not talk

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Speaker 1: about Jameis Winston doing exactly I believe, didn't I say

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Speaker 1: something Mike along the lines on the show on Friday

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Speaker 1: of like, we know Jameis Winston is gonna throw it,

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Speaker 1: throw stuff all over the place, some good, some bad,

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Speaker 1: like you got the full Jamis experience. In the last

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Speaker 1: two plays of that game, he absolutely throws the ball.

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Speaker 1: It was one of multiple he had in that game.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely throws the ball right the Kyle Hamilton gets a

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Speaker 1: reprieve and then throws the touchdown to Tilman to upset

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Speaker 1: the Ravens. The Ravens are so weird to me that

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Speaker 1: they have two of the two losses that are just

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Speaker 1: almost inexplicable, one to Cleveland and one to the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: and then they've mowed down the good teams that they've faced.

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Speaker 1: But hey, Jamis is a fun guy. So Jamis having

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Speaker 1: success against all odds is fun for all of us, right.

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Speaker 2: And you knew the longer that game went on, the

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Speaker 2: more chances that they gave him that he was gonna

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Speaker 2: make them pay for it. And that's why the Browns,

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Speaker 2: when they looked at this situation when they didn't didn't

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Speaker 2: want to bring back Joe Flacco for all the reasons

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Speaker 2: that we've discussed, said, we've got a guy who's got

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Speaker 2: extended starting experience in Jamis Winston. We know there's gonna

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Speaker 2: be mistakes that come with it, which is why he's

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Speaker 2: not a starting quarterback somewhere, but if we need him

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Speaker 2: for an extended period of time, this is a good

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Speaker 2: guy to have because what he's doing on the field,

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Speaker 2: what he's capable of doing, which we saw, but also

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Speaker 2: his energy. He's kind of goofy, he's a little out there,

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Speaker 2: but it works in the locker room, and so you

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Speaker 2: need that right now for a team that was lifeless

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Speaker 2: offensively under Deshaun Watson and now with Jamis Winston, there

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Speaker 2: is gonna He's gonna have a little fire under the

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Speaker 2: in their belly.

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Speaker 6: Judy Well, I mean, watching it, I was thinking, like,

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Speaker 6: what an indictment of them sticking with Deshaun as long

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Speaker 6: as they did, you know, I mean this just sort

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Speaker 6: of puts in stark relief, like, oh, the offense can

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Speaker 6: function and actually function pretty nicely with another quarterback. And so,

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Speaker 6: I mean we all know the reasons why. But man,

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Speaker 6: when you watch Jamis do what he did yesterday, I'm like,

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Speaker 6: you know, like, how many other games if they had

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Speaker 6: made the switch, if they could have made the switch,

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Speaker 6: how many other games might they have won? And it

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Speaker 6: would not be this long line out of a deep

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Speaker 6: hole that they're facing right now.

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Speaker 1: Also credit to Ken Dorsey for his first time calling

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Speaker 1: plays for Cleveland after he got run out of Buffalo

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Speaker 1: last year. Seemed like overall they had a good plan

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Speaker 1: in place now. Kevin Stefanski's also he is an established

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Speaker 1: play caller. He's won two Coach of the Year awards

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Speaker 1: calling plays. I always get nervous when you give up

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Speaker 1: the thing that you do best. But when you hired

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Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey, this always seemed like this was part of

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Speaker 1: the big picture plan, which was the next phase of

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Speaker 1: this for Stefanski. Be the leader of the team and

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Speaker 1: take us forward. All right, Mike, Monday Night football, Steelers

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Speaker 1: and Giants. There will be more people behind you on

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Speaker 1: the field shortly. Currently, I see one guy walking right

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Speaker 1: down the middle of the field. He better be allowed

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Speaker 1: to be out there, or they're gonna he's gonna leave

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Speaker 1: in handcuffs. Knowing how they protect the field behind you here,

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Speaker 1: give me a breakdown. What do we expect.

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Speaker 2: I always love that, you know, the signs please don't

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Speaker 2: walk on the field with your dress shoes. And then

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Speaker 2: within five minutes, the dude, they're out here, the defensive

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Speaker 2: lineman just.

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Speaker 3: Digging up dirt. Yeah, exactly. So. Yes, Steelers second game

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Speaker 3: under Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: You know, they did a good job offensively of putting

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Speaker 2: a game plan together, you know, to kind of keep

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Speaker 2: the governor on Russ a little bit. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's this notion that like they're all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: opening up and airing it out because of Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: not necessarily the case.

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Speaker 3: They took some shots down the field with justin fields.

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Speaker 3: They just happened to connect.

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Speaker 2: And Russell's got that moon ball that he throws that

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Speaker 2: I talked to Van Jefferson. He said, it's an advantage

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Speaker 2: for the receiver we're looking back to. The defender is

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Speaker 2: not gives us a chance to get in position. That's

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Speaker 2: why that moon ball has been so effective. I do

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Speaker 2: think that they want to run the football. I know

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Speaker 2: they want to run the football effectively tonight with Najee

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Speaker 2: Harris and Jalen Warren.

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Speaker 3: Warren apparently has looked really good.

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Speaker 2: Since he's gotten back to full health, so wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: surprised if his workload is in line with last week.

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Speaker 3: He had twelve carries for forty something yards and a

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Speaker 3: couple of catches. And for the Giants defensively, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's all about Dexter.

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Speaker 2: Lawrence is gonna have to wreck things and the Steelers

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Speaker 2: know that, so they're going to try to manage that

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Speaker 2: in certain ways.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just looking for this Giants team to show

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Speaker 3: some life.

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Speaker 2: You've got John Mara coming out and saying that he

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Speaker 2: doesn't expect to make any changes. So everybody in that

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Speaker 2: locker room knows, everybody in the organization knows Joe Shane

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Speaker 2: and Brian Dabele are in line to be in place

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Does that help things? Does it give a little bit

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Speaker 3: of relief and a little bit of breathing room.

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Speaker 2: I think actually playing on the road is going to

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Speaker 2: help you think, like, oh, a raucous atmosphere, terrible tells

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00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: all that stuff sticks playing. But I think that might

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Speaker 2: help the Giants to get away from their home crowd

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: Last week, my Leiku neighbors got a lot of extra attention.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals did not want to allow or exhume me.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles did not want to allow him to get

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Speaker 1: going in that game, didn't want to let the deep

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Speaker 1: shots go. So how they cover neighbors and flips side

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Speaker 1: of that, how the Giants covered George Pickens? To me,

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00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: are two interesting things to watch in this game because

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Speaker 1: it was a little too easy one on one for

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Speaker 1: George Pickens, and it's just jump balls and he's the bigger,

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Speaker 1: more physical guy. How do they try to keep him

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00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: from getting going? Make Russell Wilson play a little bit

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00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: different Island game? As opposed to just throwing touch bass

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Speaker 1: down the field. All Right, we gotta go, Ian.

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Speaker 3: Especially, Yeah, Yeah, we gotta go. We've been here long enough.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna I was just gonna add to what

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Speaker 2: you said. Knowing Joey Porter Junior, he's gonna say I

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00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: want him. I want to one on one and I

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Speaker 2: don't need any help, So look for that.

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Speaker 1: All right. Thank you to everybody for watching and listening.

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Speaker 1: Again Monday's YouTube and the podcast. It's bailable at six

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern Time roughly every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday. That

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Speaker 1: starts tomorrow. We're back on NFL Network seven pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: Time for Mike, Judy and Ian. I'm Tom, who will

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Speaker 1: see