1 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Affne, the program 2 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: glory of God and his kingdom. We're going to be 5 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: talking about world politics and policy with men who has 6 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: spent most of his professional life deeply studying and actually 7 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: practicing such policies. I'll introduce him in greater detail in 8 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: a moment, but before we do a little bit of 9 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: context about one particular facet of this challenge that I 10 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: think is important for our discussion as well. Next year, 11 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: we'll celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of a 12 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: nation founded to ensure there's no taxation without representation. Unfortunately, 13 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: the United Nations is poised to start levying taxes our 14 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: representatives can't prevent, putting its pursuit of world government on steroids. 15 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: It begins with the International Maritime Organization imposing costs on 16 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: shipping producing greenhouse gas emissions. Tens of billions of dollars 17 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: with US be generated, redistributing wealth from American and other 18 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: consumers to feed the UN's climate change slush fund and agenda. 19 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: This initiative would not only fundamentally transform the UN by 20 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: ending its reliance on member states funding, which affords them 21 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: a measure of control, it will also create a precedent 22 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: for many more taxes to fund its globalist priorities. The 23 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Trump administration has opposed this global tax, it must now 24 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: impose real sanctions to prevent it from being imposed on us. 25 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: This leads me to a larger conversation with our first guest. 26 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: His name is Douglas J. 27 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: Fife. 28 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: He has served our country in a number of important capacities, 29 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: most recently as the Undersecretary of Defense during the George W. 30 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: Bush administration. 31 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: He is. 32 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: A dear friend of mine and has been for many 33 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: years a mentor, particularly on matters involving national and international policy, 34 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: especially as they relate to the Mid East. And we're 35 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: going to spend a fair amount of time talking about that. 36 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: But before we do, I thought I might ask Doug, 37 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: who is these days a senior fellow with the Hudson Institute, 38 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: an idea or two about this notion that well world 39 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: government is to be preferred over the kind we've practiced 40 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: here in the United States for almost two hundred and 41 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: fifty years, namely representative, a constitutional republic, a sovereign nation 42 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: giving way to well, I don't know, ruled by international elites. 43 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: Mister secretary, What do you think of all that? 44 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, it's always good to be with you, Frank, 45 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: And I think you put your finger on an essential 46 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 4: point that doesn't get enough thought, and that. 47 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: Is how the idea of. 48 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 4: Democracy, not just American democracy, but democracy and principle relates 49 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: to sovereignty. If we are going to fulfill the democratic 50 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 4: ideas of the founding fathers, then we have to recognize 51 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 4: that the essential point, is the essential point of self government, 52 00:03:52,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 4: is that Americans make law for themselves. And if we 53 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: put ourselves in a position where regulations, laws that govern 54 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: us are made by people who are not answerable to 55 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: the American people, then we don't have self government. Then 56 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 4: we don't have democracy, then we don't have freedom, as 57 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 4: we've always understood the concept. And so I think that 58 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 4: any effort of the type that you alluded to, where 59 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 4: a un body, for example, can finance itself so that 60 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 4: it can engage in activities and presume to regulate us, 61 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 4: regulate our activities, our commercial activities or political activities, and 62 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 4: where the decisions are being made by people who are 63 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: not answerable to the American people, to American voters. That 64 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 4: is not consistent with the most fundamental principles that America 65 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 4: was created to safeguard and promote. So I think it 66 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: really is a very serious issue, and it takes effort 67 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 4: on our part to preserve our freedoms. And that effort 68 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: is not just military. It also means we have to 69 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 4: be sensitive to political diplomatic maneuvers that could compromise our. 70 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: Ability to govern ourselves. 71 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: Yes, and especially those like this one that are being 72 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: done kind of well. I think the Latin term word 73 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: is subrosa. I mean more or less out of the 74 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: public eye and incrementally, but like a death of a 75 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: thousand cuts, it has the profound effect, whether it's in 76 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: this case, global taxation or in the case of the 77 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: World Health Organization, giving an international bureaucrat the right to 78 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: declare when we have an international emergency of public health, 79 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: emergency of international concern and then tell us what to 80 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: do about it. I mean, these are as you say, Doug, 81 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: fronts to our sovereignty and to the very form of 82 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: government upon which we have relied for so long. And 83 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: I think it's just desperately needed to put the spotlight 84 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: on it, and I think by large the Trump administration 85 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: has been taking the right line on it. But there 86 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: do need to be costs, I think for those who 87 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: keep pushing forward this global governance, as they call it agenda. 88 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: Let me turn to another thing that's been going on 89 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: at the un of Just this week, Doug French and 90 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: the Saudis initiated a forum there to discuss the idea 91 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: of a Palestinian state, which they're very keen, or at 92 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: least fore told. I can't believe it's true of the Saudis, 93 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: but the French at least seem to be very keen 94 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: to have such a thing created. You're a serious student 95 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: of the Middle East, You've spent much of your life 96 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: focused on it and practicing at the highest levels of 97 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: the US government policy towards it. What do you make 98 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 1: of this idea, especially in the midst of this war 99 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: that is underway in Gaza and elsewhere in the region, 100 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: of carving up Israel, to create such a state out 101 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: of pretty much whole cloth. 102 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: There's a lot that could be said on the subject. 103 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: One of the topics that's in the news today is 104 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 4: this push by the French and now the British government 105 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 4: to recognize a Palestinian state. And it's important to understand 106 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: that what this is is a sign of how people 107 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: who say that they are strongly in favor of international 108 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: law have actually no respect for the concept of international 109 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: law at all. It's quite interesting how cynical these people 110 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: who pretend to be idealists can often be when they 111 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: say that as the British Prime Minister said yesterday that 112 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 4: he has this idea of recognizing a Palestinian state, and 113 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: as Macron in France just said that he wants to 114 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 4: recognize a Palestinian state. Recognition is not supposed to be 115 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: just a statement that you would like something to happen. 116 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 4: If you're recognizing something, an element of recognition is you're 117 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 4: supposed to acknowledge a fact. So then the question is 118 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 4: do the Palestinians have a state? Well, international law has 119 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 4: a concept of what a state is, and it's an 120 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 4: amount of territory with a population that is controlled by 121 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: a government. 122 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: Now the Palestinians don't have that. 123 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 4: And I mean, it's an interesting kind of irony that 124 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 4: the Palestinians, on the one hand, say. 125 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 2: That they're occupied and On the other. 126 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: Hand, the johs, I've got to ask you to hold 127 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: that thought. We'll be right back with Doug Fithe on 128 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: the other side of this break to explore this idea 129 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: of a state that doesn't have territory or a government. 130 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: Stand by, be right back, Welcome back. We're visiting with 131 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: Douglas J. Fifth, the former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, 132 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: the author of a wonderful memoir of his time in 133 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: government and the epic events that took place there, entitled 134 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: War and Decision Inside the Pentagon on the Dawn of 135 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: the War on Terror. Doug, I asked you too much 136 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: question for two little times, so I want you to 137 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: pick up the thought. You acknowledged that there is no 138 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: Palestinian state in the sense that traditionally that has had 139 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: any meaning. That is to say, there is a territory, 140 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: there is a government of the territory, and it is 141 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: to be either acknowledged as a state or not. The 142 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: French and Brits and others apparently are intent on recognizing 143 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: as a state something that doesn't exist, doesn't have a territory, 144 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have a government. So what's wrong with that picture. 145 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: Sir, Well, it's a confusion of what recognition means in 146 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 4: international law. Saying that you hope that something happens or 147 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 4: you wish that something would happen, is different from saying 148 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 4: that you recognize a reality. And if there is an 149 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: actual government in control of territory with a population, then 150 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 4: a country can decide whether it wants to recognize that 151 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 4: or not. But first there has to be a state, 152 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 4: and the Palestinians don't have control. They don't even have 153 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 4: a single government. 154 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: I mean, the two territories that were. 155 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 4: Possibly going to evolve into a Palestinian state are run now. 156 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: One was the West Bank, the other was Gaza. Even 157 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: before the war that started with the Hamas attack on 158 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 4: October seventh, twenty twenty three, even before that, you didn't 159 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 4: have control by a Palestinian government of both territories. You 160 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 4: had different groups controlling different territories, and in any event, 161 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: they didn't have complete control. And the Palestinian authority had 162 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 4: an agreement with the Israelis that they would not establish 163 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 4: statehood or declare statehood without an agreement with the Israelis 164 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: under the Oslo Accords. And so this whole push by 165 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: the French and the British right now to recognize a 166 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 4: state that doesn't exist shows that they don't take the 167 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 4: concept of state, which is to say, they don't take 168 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: the concept of international law seriously. And yet they're pretending 169 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: that this is really important and this is a contribution 170 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 4: to international law. And what it does is it exposes 171 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 4: the fact that what goes by the term international law 172 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 4: is really not law of the type that any of 173 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 4: us who are actually accustomed to living in a country 174 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 4: under the rule of law believes that law is. I mean, 175 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: international law is brought into complete disrepute by the leaders 176 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 4: of these countries that have a cynical attitude toward it. 177 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 4: And this ties back to what you were raising at 178 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 4: the very beginning. The essence of international law is the 179 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: consent of sovereign countries, and a lot of people now 180 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: are trying to transform the concept of international law so 181 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 4: that it gets rid of the sovereignty of countries. 182 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: That's exactly the point, isn't it, Doug. I want to 183 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: drill down a little bit further onto this situation in Gaza, 184 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: because you know, if there ever were a Palestinian state, 185 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: it would have been Guzza before that attack took place 186 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: that you mentioned. It is now obviously as a result 187 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,479 Speaker 1: of the better part of two years of war, essentially 188 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: a desolate, uninhabitable place. The Israelis are being roundly accused 189 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: by the Palestinians and they're so called health ministry that 190 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: Israel is engaged in a kind of genocidal campaign, including starvation. 191 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: This is being aggressively rejected by Israel and by those 192 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: of us who believe the facts actually matter. What are 193 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: your thoughts on what's going on there and does it 194 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: in fact constitute well, I guess a violation of international 195 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: law or war crimes or something else, or is this 196 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: further evidence of the kind of cynicism that you were 197 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: talking about before that is very dangerous to the cause 198 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: of freedom. 199 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: Hamas was Hamas was. 200 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 4: Hoping to trigger by its October seventh, twenty twenty three 201 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 4: attack on Israel, was hoping to trigger. 202 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: Massive uprisings in. 203 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: Among Arabs in the territories in Israel and Muslims and 204 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 4: Arabs around the world. And they largely failed in that regard. 205 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: But a key element of their strategy has been successful, 206 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: and that is Hamas arranged with its tunnels that had 207 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: built underneath hospitals, underneath schools, underneath residential buildings. It arranged 208 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: that the Israelis could not defend themselves against Hamas without 209 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: having to go through a lot of civilian facilities, and 210 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 4: that meant serious harm to Palestinian non combatants, you know, 211 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: non terrorists. And the Israelis have no intention, no desire 212 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: to kill ordinary Palestinians. 213 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 2: I mean, if they did, they have the ability. 214 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: To kill a lot more than are claimed to have 215 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 4: been killed, even by Haramas. So the Israelis have no 216 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 4: interest in that Hamas has an interest in a large 217 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 4: number of Palestinians civilian casualties because it manages to blame 218 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 4: Israel for the casualties that Hamas is responsible for. The 219 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 4: essence of this whole conflict at this point is a 220 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 4: blame game, and there is terrible suffering among the Palestinians, 221 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 4: no question about it. 222 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: In Gaza. 223 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 4: That suffering is purposefully inflicted by Hamas for the purpose 224 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 4: of blaming Israel. 225 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: And one of the key things. 226 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 4: That the Israelis are doing is recognizing that the UN 227 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 4: has been in bed with Hamas in its efforts to 228 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 4: destroy Israel, and so it is arranging to provide humanitarian 229 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:04,239 Speaker 4: aid not through UN channels, and so Hamas and the 230 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 4: UN are now in a coalition, a strategic alliance, to 231 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: disrupt the distribution of humanitarian aid, to cause suffering among 232 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 4: the Palestinian people, and then to blame Israel for the 233 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 4: suffering that this strategic alliance of Hamas and the UN 234 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 4: has created. And that's where we are. And the role 235 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: of the New York Times and CNN and the French 236 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 4: government and the British government and others in promoting this 237 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 4: unbelievably inhumane and cynical strategy is really shameful. And just one, 238 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 4: if we have time, I'll just mention one thing that 239 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 4: really is worth pointing out. The New York Times ran 240 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 4: a front page story few days ago, I think it 241 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 4: might have been for Left Friday, where they showed a picture, 242 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: a really gut wrenching picture of a woman holding a 243 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 4: terribly emaciated baby, and they said this was proof of starvation. 244 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 4: The Israeli authorities released the original photo, and what the 245 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 4: original photo shows is that standing next to the mother 246 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 4: and this emaciated child were the was another child of 247 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 4: the mother who was not emaciated at all. And the 248 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 4: Israelis released the medical records of this poor emaciated baby, 249 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 4: who is a terribly diseased child. His problem was not starvation, 250 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: but this was depicted as Israeli imposed starvation. It's a 251 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 4: lie and it's really very sad. 252 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: And knowingly yeah, for the purposes of a blood libel 253 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: against Israel, Doug. We have to have you back for 254 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: a longer visit. Thank you for your time to day, 255 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: my friends, so good to see you. Keep up the 256 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: great work Cutson Institute. Come back to with so we'll 257 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: be right back with the rest of you on the 258 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: other side of the short break, Stytym Police, Welcome back, 259 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: and what a delight to be able to say welcome 260 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: once again to a very dear friend as well as 261 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: a tremendously valued contributor to this program. His name is 262 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: Rabbi Pessk Wallicki. He is the executive director of Israel 263 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: three sixty five Action. He is a co host of 264 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: the podcast Shoulder to Shoulder and a columnist for the 265 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Jerusalem Posts, among other platforms that he uses to great 266 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: effect to try to well counter the kind of information 267 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: warfare that is being voyaged against his state and well, 268 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: frankly the cause of defending Judah Christian civilization, which of 269 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: course means us as well Rabbi. It's good to have 270 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: you back, Sir. It's been a while since we've talked. 271 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: I want to say, first of all, thank you for 272 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: your partnership with us in our Victory Coalition Israel three 273 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: sixty five action briefings that we've been doing now for 274 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: a number of weeks, just trying to make sure that 275 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: we're getting the truth out to as many people as possible, 276 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: and your involvement with that and that of your team 277 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: is tremendously appreciated. 278 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 3: Sir. 279 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Frank. 280 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 6: First of all, it's great to be back with you 281 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 6: and with your audience, and I want to thank you 282 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 6: for doing that because your team is really doing a 283 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 6: lot of the heavy lifting there on those briefings. And 284 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 6: let me just say something to anyone who's watching this, 285 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 6: who isn't participating in those briefings or isn't watching them 286 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 6: in the world that we live in, because of how 287 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 6: aggressive the information warfare is, and we're going to talk 288 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 6: about a little bit of that today because right now, 289 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 6: of all the propaganda campaigns we've seen waged against Israel, 290 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 6: we are in the midst of an absolute hurricane. 291 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 5: But people need to realize that. 292 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 6: You cannot rely on your x feed, your Instagram feed, 293 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 6: or just even just waiting for things to come to 294 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 6: you that have truth. You need to take active measures 295 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 6: in your daily life, whether it's signing up for certain 296 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 6: email dispatches like we have at Israel three sixty five 297 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 6: Action in Israel three sixty five News, or actively visiting 298 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 6: certain websites, or getting plugged in to shows like this 299 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 6: to the Israel three sixty five YouTube channel, where three 300 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 6: times a week we're putting up very important information informational 301 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 6: videos that are really fighting the information war battles. It's 302 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 6: the best term for it. I always use the term 303 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 6: information warfare because that's what it is. It's you know, 304 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 6: if you think about the whole trajectory of Israel's wars 305 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 6: since October seventh, from a military perspective, Israel is being 306 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 6: wildly successful on every front, but at the same time, 307 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 6: the information warfare front, we're getting killed. 308 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 5: And if anyone thinks that. 309 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 6: The information warfare battlefield doesn't matter as much as the 310 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 6: kinetic battlefield, just look at what's happening in the UN 311 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 6: right now. 312 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about the UN in some 313 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: detail here with you, and thank you for giving us 314 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: an extended visit. This is on this occasion for the 315 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: reasons you mentioned, it's so timely, so important. Before we 316 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: go there, I do want to talk about the subject 317 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: of one of if you're not your latest of your 318 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: videos at Israel three sixty. 319 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: Five action. 320 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: Concerning this whole propaganda offensive against Israel, that it is 321 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: deliberately and very successfully starving the population of Gaza. You 322 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: offer a lot of information that contradicts that point. We'll 323 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: talk about the degree to which it is this well 324 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: blood libel is being you know, endorsed and validated by 325 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: the media. But before we do, let's just talk about 326 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: the facts, sir, as you can present them best. 327 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 6: So there's this canard going around, especially over the last 328 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 6: few weeks, that Israel is starving the people of Gaza, 329 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 6: and there were twenty five foreign ministers. I don't know 330 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 6: if it was heads of state, but I think it 331 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 6: was foreign ministers that put out a letter last week 332 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 6: decrying the fact that Israel is not providing enough assistance 333 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 6: or that Israel is dripping in the aid. I think 334 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 6: that was the way they put it in the letter 335 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 6: and basically blaming Israel or any lack of food in 336 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 6: the gas strip and the absurdity of this is astounding. 337 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 6: But we also see what they're doing. So let me 338 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 6: just pull back the camera a little bit. Here are 339 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 6: a few headlines from over a year ago. March eighteenth, 340 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four on the World Food Program's website Famine 341 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 6: imminent in Northern Gaza, new report Warrens and now April eleventh, 342 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, the US envoy, the envoy for the 343 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 6: Biden administration for Gaza's humanitarian situation, a guy by the 344 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 6: name of David Saderfield is quoted in media that day. 345 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 6: This is over a year ago. It is an established fact. 346 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 6: There's an imminent risk of famine for the majority of 347 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 6: not all, of the population of Gaza. These are over 348 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 6: a year ago, Frank, and they're you know, the According 349 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 6: to the World Food Program, in May of twenty twenty four, 350 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 6: over six hundred and seventy thousand Gazins were subject to 351 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 6: what they call Stage five or Phase five famine conditions. 352 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 5: According to the World Food Program or. 353 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 6: This it's actually a different arm of the UN that 354 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 6: tracks famine conditions. Phase five is the most severe of 355 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 6: all famine conditions, and in Phase five, five famine conditions 356 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 6: with that is according to their own website, that means 357 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 6: that one hundred and thirty five people should have been 358 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 6: dying every single day, because according to them, the death 359 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 6: rate in phase five famine conditions is two people per 360 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 6: ten thousand of the population per day. So, on the 361 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 6: one hand, on the front page of their website for 362 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 6: most of twenty twenty four, they were saying that most 363 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 6: of the Gaza's population. Later a couple months later they 364 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 6: updated it to one point one million Gazins were in 365 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 6: fade five. On the other hand, there were no starvation 366 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 6: deaths being reported, even in the Gaza Health Ministry, which 367 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 6: is run by Kamas. Even in their own reporting of 368 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 6: deaths in Gaza, nobody was dying of starvation. And that's 369 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 6: why these stories, these headlines always said that famine is looming, 370 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 6: or famine is imminent, or there's a risk of famine, 371 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 6: because there never was a famine. In fact, I showed 372 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 6: in a recent video that I put out, and I'm 373 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 6: writing this up now that if you go to the 374 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 6: website of Kogat, which is the Israeli government coordinator for 375 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 6: all matters that relate to Judea Samarian Gaza, and these 376 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 6: numbers are also the accepted numbers by the UN agencies 377 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 6: of the quantities of food that have been going into Gaza. 378 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 6: And you can look at it month by month, and 379 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 6: it's not the same every month, that goes up and down, 380 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 6: but if you average it out for the entire twenty 381 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 6: twenty four, there were approximately seventy six thousand tons of 382 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 6: food going into Gaza every month. And then in the 383 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 6: first two months of twenty twenty five, during the ceasefire 384 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 6: that surged and well over three hundred thousand tons of 385 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 6: food entered the Gaza strip over those two months. And 386 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 6: if you divide the amount that entered those two months 387 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 6: over the first five months of the year, you get 388 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 6: to around seventy five thousand tons of food. And at 389 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 6: the end of May Lo and behold the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, 390 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 6: this American agency, this American organization that's working with the 391 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 6: Israelis started distributing aid directly to gas ands. At this point, 392 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 6: they distributed over one hundred million meals. They distributed about 393 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 6: two million a day right now. And what this all 394 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 6: shows is that the quantities of food throughout this war 395 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 6: have been more than enough to feed the gas in population. 396 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 6: When you see video footage of gasins and pictures out 397 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 6: of Gaza. You they don't look like they're starving. There's 398 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 6: these occasional pictures of children who have all and it's 399 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 6: there's the one famous picture that was on the New 400 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 6: York Times and the BBC amplified it, which was a 401 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 6: child who had severe health issues, and in the uncropped 402 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 6: photo of this child you see his brother who looks 403 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 6: perfectly well fed. Or there's another picture of someone looking 404 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 6: emaciated and dying of starvation. On all around them is 405 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 6: a is a loving, compassionate family and they're all well fed. 406 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 6: There's these these are actually children is the most cynical 407 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 6: thing in the world. These are children with muscular dystrophy 408 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 6: and other types of ale and that they're manipulating them 409 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 6: to make it look like they're starving. But according to 410 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 6: the numbers, no one in Gaza is starving. I mean, 411 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 6: I mean there are people who are hungry, but starvation 412 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 6: means something, and no one's dying of starvation in the 413 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 6: Gaza strip. 414 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: This is a stunning statement. I know it's been made 415 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: by your Prime Minister, as well as any number of 416 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: others officials, as well as folks like yourself. The issue 417 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: that has arisen apparently since those earlier false reports of 418 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: an imminent femine as you know, Sir Is, Israel has 419 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: implemented this effort to try to prevent what apparently is 420 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,239 Speaker 1: the reason why despite all of that food getting in, 421 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: there are still people hungry in Gaza, namely Hamas expropriating 422 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: it or selling it off or otherwise weaponizing it. You 423 00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: worked around that by creating this special initiative with the 424 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: so called Gaza Health Foundation. Talk a little bit about 425 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: what's happened with that and whether the loss of life 426 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: that seems to have been associated with it is a 427 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: function of, you know, further evidence that the Israelis are 428 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: really interested in killing all these Palestinians, not feeding them. 429 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 6: So the Gazer Humanitarian Foundation which is run by which 430 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 6: is run by Johnny Moore, which is this American enterprise, 431 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 6: was started in order to prevent the food from falling 432 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 6: into the hands of Ramas, because throughout the war, all 433 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 6: of the food that was going in through UN and 434 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 6: the UN associated agencies, almost all of it was being 435 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 6: was being common dear by Ramas, and they were then 436 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 6: selling it back to the to the Gazins at absorbitant prices, 437 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 6: also hoarding a lot of it for themselves, for Ramas itself. 438 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 6: And then recently there it was exposed that there were 439 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 6: nine one hundred and fifty truckloads of aid that was 440 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 6: sitting uncollected on the Gaza side of the border that 441 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 6: Israel had already allowed in that the UN and Hamas 442 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 6: related agencies were not even picking up. When Israel released 443 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 6: drone footage of that, they had egg on their face. 444 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 6: They claimed logistical problems, and then quickly over the next 445 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 6: few days started you know, collecting hundreds of truckloads, which 446 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 6: which indicated that if any of this food was not 447 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 6: making it to the Gas and citizens, it was because 448 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 6: Hamas and the UN, which are really one and the 449 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 6: same in the Gaza strip. 450 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 5: That's something people need to understand. 451 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 6: This is not the the UN in the Gaza strip 452 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 6: is completely run by Hamas, and that's why all those 453 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 6: schools that they use as bases are UN schools and 454 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 6: UN hospitals. 455 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 5: It's really the same. 456 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: People and their personnel have been implicated. 457 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, the personnel's actually there's so much. 458 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: We could say that we have to say it. On 459 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,239 Speaker 1: the other side of a short break, we'll be right 460 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: back with it with Rabbi Pissick Wilicky to stay took place. 461 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: We're back with Rabbi Pessik Wiliki of Shoulder to Shoulder 462 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: podcast also Israel three sixty five Action. I cannot commend 463 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: strongly enough to you his content in both of those platforms. 464 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: It's just extraordinary, much needed. At the moment, Rabbi I 465 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: left a question partly answered, there are these reports that 466 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: this Gaza humanitarian foundation I spoke a moment ago, is 467 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: now responsible for not only failing to feed the people 468 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: of Gaza, but actually killing them when come to get 469 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: the food. Or the Israeli defense forces that are providing 470 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: security for those personnel, some of whom have by the way, 471 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: been attacked by Hamas. Let it be clear. So again, 472 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: your business, as I see it, Sir, on this program 473 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: especially is give us the ground truth and absolutely about 474 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: the truth. 475 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 6: Okay, So there's these claims that Israel is opening fire 476 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 6: on Gazin's who come to collect food at these humanitarian 477 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 6: aid distribution sites, and so just a few quick points 478 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 6: about how absurd this is. First of all, Israel set 479 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 6: up this new distribution system in order to weaken Hamas 480 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 6: and take the population away from Ramas and be able 481 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 6: to deliver food to them directly, thus weakening Hamas because 482 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 6: the people will no longer go to Hamas for their 483 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 6: food and no longer be under their authority. It would 484 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 6: be the most counterproduct thing to Israel's strategy. Forget about 485 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 6: being humanitarians. It would be the dumbest thing in the 486 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 6: world for Israel strategically to discourage people from coming to 487 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 6: these sites by opening fire on them and killing a 488 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 6: few Killing a few more Gazins doesn't get Israel anyway 489 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 6: in its war. So I'm just saying, let's just be 490 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 6: brutally honest. Even if Israelis are the worst people in 491 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 6: the world, strategically, it would be the dumbest move they 492 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 6: could possibly make. Second point, everyone there has cell phones. 493 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 6: There is still not a single piece of footage, single 494 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 6: image or piece of footage that shows an Israeli soldier. 495 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 5: Firing on anyone. 496 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 6: All of it is allegations from people who work in 497 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 6: Gazen hospitals or the Hamas government claiming every day that 498 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 6: Gazins are killed at these sites. 499 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 5: There's not one shred of evidence to it. 500 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 6: What's more, Hamas has issued warnings to the people of 501 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 6: Gaza not to collect food from these sites, and there 502 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 6: is footage of them attacking people who are going to 503 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 6: collect the food from these sites. 504 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 5: Because again, let's make things very clear for everyone. Let's 505 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 5: just lay it up easily. 506 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 6: The humanitarian aid distribution system that circumvents CAAMAS, that was 507 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 6: set up by the Americans and the Israelis is a 508 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 6: mortal threat to Ramas. 509 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 5: It's what this war is now all about. 510 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 6: Because the only lifeline Hamas has, the only route they 511 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 6: have to supplies and to cash, is if they get 512 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 6: the humanitarian aid, which is why when they walked away, 513 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 6: here's the smoking gun, Frank, when they walked away from 514 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 6: the from the ceasefire deal last week, when President Trump 515 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 6: and Steve Witcoff expressed frustration, why is Kamas rejecting the deal? 516 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 5: Their number one reason for rejecting. 517 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 6: The deal is that one of their demands was that 518 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 6: the Gazer Humanitarian Foundation, this American organization that is distributing 519 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 6: over two million meals a day directly to Gazans for free, 520 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 6: as opposed to having them have to buy it from Hamas. 521 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 6: Their demand was that it be disbanded and that all 522 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 6: food distribution go through the UN and the UN is 523 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 6: code word for hamas in this situation, So that tells 524 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 6: you everything you need to know. 525 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 5: They need this to fail, so. 526 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 6: They're putting out propaganda claiming that people are being killed 527 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 6: and that it's dangerous. 528 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 5: There's even a Wikipedia page. 529 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 6: Which says on it as fact that over a thousand 530 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 6: Gasens have been killed by Israeli soldiers picking up humanitarian food. 531 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 6: It's an outright lie. There's no basis for it, and 532 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 6: I encourage everyone to follow on x GHF, follow the 533 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 6: Twitter account of the Gas of Humanitarian Foundation. They're putting 534 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 6: out updates with footage and pictures every single day. 535 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: I know Johnny Moore, Reverend Moore, is the guy running 536 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: this thing, and I commend him for taking on this 537 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: obviously thankless task. 538 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 5: You should have him on your show. 539 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: I'd love to have him on our show. It's been 540 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: too long. But let me just say what I think 541 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: most people need to be understanding about all of this 542 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: is that we are being manipulated, We're being lied to. 543 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: Our humanitarian impulses and instincts are being exploited, and this 544 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: is all part of as you said, sir, in the 545 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: first block, information warfare being not only by the perpetrator 546 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: of the initial attack and this terrorist organization of moss 547 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: but its friends, including the United Nations and of course 548 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: the media around the world. And I did want to 549 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: just ask you to segue here. We'll talk more about 550 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: it on the other side of the final short break. 551 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: The United Nations. This is an outfit that Israel has 552 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: now had a lot of hard experience with. It is 553 00:37:52,239 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: incessantly using its various instruments, the General Assembly, the various courts, 554 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: the Human Rights Council and the like to attack Israel relentlessly. 555 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, not just in this present moment, but just 556 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: every day. And I think the statistics are something like, 557 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, the whole rest of the world has about 558 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: half of the actions that intefits take up, and Israel 559 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: has the rest of them. So I just I want 560 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: to ask you certain it's come to my attention that 561 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: there is an effort underway right now to give an 562 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: agency of the United Nations called the International Maritime Organization, 563 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: the right the power to impose taxes on the world's 564 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: shipping to raise revenue, ostensibly for the purposes of mitigating 565 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: the consequences of ships and their diesel exhausts on the 566 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: climate in practice, what it means, Sir, is giving, as 567 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, a blank check in effect, both in this 568 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: instance but by precedent for the UN to begin taxing 569 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: us more generally. I want you to get into this 570 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: in a little bit more detail on the other side 571 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: of this short break, if you would, sir. But I 572 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: just am of the view that not only is global 573 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: government going to be bad for Israel obviously and for 574 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: other freedom loving people, including our own, but the idea 575 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: that they would be able to have access without member 576 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: contributions and the control that goes along with it through 577 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: this taxing power to limitless resources makes this not only 578 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: a very different kind of operation than we've ever experienced 579 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: a date, but one that will be very dangerous. Indeed, 580 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: I'll ask you for your thoughts on that. On the 581 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: other side of this, Rabbi Pessick Wilicky will be right 582 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: back with us for that purpose more. 583 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 3: Stay tuned, welcome back. 584 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: We're having our final installment of this important and very 585 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: timely conversation with one of our favorite guests, Rabbi Pessick Wilicky. 586 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: The Rabbi was recently on Charlie Kirk's program, and I 587 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: want to commend both you and Charlie for having you on. 588 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: It was a very important conversation for his audience most especially, 589 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: but thank you for speaking to ours regularly too, So Pessic, 590 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: I've teed up the ran out of time to put 591 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: the ball back in your court. But this question, knowing 592 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: what you do, having seen what you have seen, having 593 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: experienced what Israel, especially a scene at the hands of 594 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: the UN and it's various affiliated operations, what do you 595 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,919 Speaker 1: think of the idea that we would actually help transform 596 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: it into no kidding, a world government by giving it 597 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: essentially limitless amounts of money through taxation. 598 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 6: You know, the UN is a flawed concept because the 599 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 6: premise of the UN is that every country has a vote. 600 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 5: And what that means is that if there's. 601 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 6: Dozens and dozens of small Muslim dictatorships, each and every 602 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 6: one of them has the same vote as. 603 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 5: Hungary or the United States. 604 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: Or can this is in the General Assembly. 605 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 6: In the General Assembly were talking about resecutions, were passing. 606 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 5: The General Assembly. 607 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 6: But the whole concept of the United Nations is an absurdity, 608 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 6: This idea of global governance, the very premise of the 609 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 6: United Nations is a threat to the independence of nations. 610 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 6: If I had my way, the United Nations would be 611 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 6: completely disbanded. But what we've seen this goes along with 612 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 6: what they were doing with the World Health Organization. They 613 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 6: have been trying to grab power and to turn themselves 614 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 6: actually into a government. And that's what the International Criminal 615 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 6: Court and the International Court of Justice are all about. 616 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 5: They're actually not real courts. They don't really. 617 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 6: Have any legal authority, but because they have that name 618 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 6: and the countries that have signed on to them have 619 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 6: agreed to grant them certain authorities, they have this veneer 620 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 6: of actually being an international criminal court or an international 621 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 6: Court of justice. 622 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 5: It's the same thing here. If they this is the 623 00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 5: first I've heard of this, Frank, when you just told 624 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 5: me about. 625 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 6: Their plan to start taxing shipping, this is their this 626 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 6: is I guess, their latest attempt to try to really 627 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 6: become a government. 628 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 5: If they if they develop their own. 629 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 6: Taxation, their own revenue stream, that is the type of 630 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 6: revenue that only governments really have, then that'll be that's 631 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 6: very serious. I didn't hear about that, but it will 632 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 6: definitely be used to weapon It will definitely be weaponized 633 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 6: against Israel. The amount anyone I invite anyone to just 634 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 6: look up percentage of UN resolutions. 635 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 5: That are anti Israel, and you'll be you'll be stunned. 636 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 5: If you add up. 637 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 6: All of the resolution, all of these statements made by 638 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 6: the UN Human Rights Council, all of their condemnations of 639 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,479 Speaker 6: bad behavior by all other countries combined, they don't come 640 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 6: close to the number of condemnations of the State of Israel. 641 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: So particularly matter is Rabbi. As you know, this is 642 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: not going to be good for anybody who loves freedom, 643 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: including those of us in America too, because as we 644 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: saw you mentioned it, the World Health Organization has now 645 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: instituted arrangements that will give it power to tell countries, 646 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: including those like ours, what to do not only that 647 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: there's a public health emergency of international concern, but what 648 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: to do about it. And I want to just say 649 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: a word quickly. I salute Israel for joining the United States, 650 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 1: and I believe Hungary and a few others in getting 651 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: out of the so called international health regulations that would 652 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: have helped confer that power, whether one's in the World 653 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: Health Organization or not. And Donald Trump, as you know, 654 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: has said we're getting out. But the main point of 655 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: all of this is this is about a fundamental transformation 656 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: that would impact every nation's sovereignty and independence and the 657 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: agenda of this organistation, whether it's with respect Israel, or 658 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: with respect to climate change or sustainability, or health, censorship 659 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: or you know, digital IDs and goulllgs, I mean, all 660 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: of these things. It is terrible about and it will 661 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: be a blight to civilization, Judeo Christian civilization must, especially 662 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: if it prevails. So, Rabbi, just to come back to Gaza. 663 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,760 Speaker 1: We've got, of course a situation here where President Trump 664 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: is trying very hard to affect a ceasefire there. You 665 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: mentioned a previous ceasefire. Various parties have left the talks. 666 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: Where does all of that stand at the moment, and 667 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: is it likely that there will be a cessation of 668 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: hostilities before Hamas is destroyed. 669 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 6: I believe that Hamas is actually playing a very smart 670 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 6: game right now, and I made a video. One of 671 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 6: my most recent videos that I put this past Sunday 672 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 6: is about this. If you go to our YouTube channel, 673 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 6: I put out a video on what Hamas's current strategy is, 674 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 6: and I encourage everyone to go go to Israel three 675 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 6: sixty five on YouTube and watch that video. Watch all 676 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 6: the videos, But watch that video because I believe what 677 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 6: the game Kamas is playing is very straightforward. They are 678 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 6: kicking the can down the road as best as possible. 679 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 6: I think it is a huge mistake to engage in 680 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 6: negotiations with them again. They are not interested in coming 681 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 6: to a cease fire deal because they believe that because 682 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,399 Speaker 6: of some domestic issues that Prime Minister Ninteniao has right now, 683 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 6: and the ultra orthodox parties have resigned their ministries in 684 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 6: the in the coalition's they're still voting along with the 685 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 6: coalition to not let the government fall, but they basically 686 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 6: put a shot across the bow and made Preme Minister 687 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 6: Ninitaeniao's coalition weaker than it has ever been. And Hamas 688 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 6: sees that, and they also see that there that their 689 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 6: starvation propaganda campaign is working and putting a lot of 690 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 6: pressure on Israel, and it's slowing Israel down. Israel has 691 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 6: tragically agreed to these humanitarian pauses every day, and in Israel, 692 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 6: the mood in Israel is that people are fed up 693 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,760 Speaker 6: with the fact that the government is not simply finishing 694 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 6: the job. 695 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: And. 696 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 6: We are in a very dangerous spot right now. Israel's 697 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 6: got to make some tough decisions about where we go. 698 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 5: But one thing is clear. 699 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 6: These calls for a Palestinian state by pure Starmer and 700 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 6: Macron are not helping the cause of peace in any way, 701 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 6: shape or form. 702 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: It will, as a practical matter, assuredly conduced to more war, 703 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: not peace, and we look forward to busy with you 704 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: on that subject at Brier length on their next visit. 705 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: Rabbi pessk Wilicki, thank you again for your leadership on 706 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: all of these matters and for the truth telling that 707 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: you're doing and helping the rest of us understand that 708 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: what we're being served a steady diet of by just 709 00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: about everybody else, is anything but the truth. God bless you. 710 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: We'll talk with you. We'll be right back with more folks. 711 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: Stay Hm.