WEBVTT - Techno H2O 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.520 Get in touch with technology with tex Stuff from stuff 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:15.000 dot com. Either welcome to text Stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.600 and joining me in the studio today is a really 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:23.960 ram functionous Julie Douglas from Stuff Before Your Mind. Hi, Julie, Hi, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.320 thank you for having me. I'm so excited to play 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.760 with you today. This is exciting for me too. Julie 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.720 was once upon a time my editor here at Health Stuff. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:37.800 It's true, kind of just the boisterous conversations about chord 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.559 versus towards and sell and so forth. Yeah, she did 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:45.040 not appreciate my Anglo Philip ways. Now, Julie, when I 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.800 invited you onto the show, I did what I normally do, 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.440 and I extended to my guest the opportunity to pick 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.080 whatever topic he or she might like, and you picked 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.680 a really cool one. Yeah. I wanted to talk about water. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.440 And all of this came from some stuff that's been 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.920 in the news lately thanks to Gwyneth Paltrow talking about 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.240 water and this idea that water might have a conscious, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:12.640 which is well interesting, Yeah, a little little let's say, eccentric, uh, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.600 compared to the standard scientific view. So we're gonna be 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.720 looking at a lot of different kinds of technology and 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.520 water and whether you know, there's gonna be some In fact, 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.520 the first half we're really going to be talking a 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:28.120 lot about technology that m M, it's probably best described 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.200 as pseudo scientific, and then towards the end we'll talk 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.959 about some actual technology that's based on hard science and 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.280 how that affects water. And so that's we're looking at 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.319 everything here because water, as it turns out, really important 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.679 to us. Yeah, and and I just want to say 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.000 this too. I was thinking about this, um there there's 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.680 some magical you know, thinking that goes into water, and 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.920 I thought, you know, just this really harkens back someone 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.200 like Richard Dawkins, who has this book The Magic of 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.639 Reality and really celebrates, like, you know, the the actual 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.120 reality of our physical world is far more astounding than 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:05.760 some of the sort of things that we like to 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.320 dream up protect upon it. So that's why I thought 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.240 this is cool. You can you can really look at 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:15.400 water and see that it is this phenomenal substance, which 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.160 I guess we could kind of tip our hats out 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.240 and say thanks, because we wouldn't really be here at 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:23.040 least in this form possibly with well definitely not this form. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.240 We would be a very different form without water. So 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.040 I wanted to start with just some random, uh well 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.120 not really random about some some facts about water. Now, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.120 a lot of this stuff is gonna sound like third 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.760 grade science, and it should, but it's stuff that's important 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:41.240 because the a lot of the pseudo scientific technology is 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.720 really based upon a lack of understanding or it's dependent 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:51.320 upon consumers lack of understanding of basic science. So water, 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.839 let's go ahead, get out there. H two O. It's 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.840 a molecule. Two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom, making 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:03.000 sweet sweet molecular love. Until you get a water molecule. Uh. 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.079 And we've got the three basic states, right. You've got 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.080 water is the liquid state. You've got ice, which is 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.399 the solid state, and then water vapor or steam, which 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.680 is the gaseous state, which all contributes to the water cycle. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.600 Should we do a quick thing on that? For sure? 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.959 The sun burning down so very hot upon like say 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:21.880 a lake or the ocean, and then what does that 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.359 do with it? It It creates a gaseous state. You get 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.280 some waterporation goes into the atmosphere where it hangs out 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.160 there and it it becomes condensation in those clouds and 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.360 when you get a perfect amount of saturation and condensation 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.480 and you have some particulates in the area, then droplets 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.960 can form around those particulates. If they get heavy enough, 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.200 they fall and then we get and then you have 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:51.080 the collection of it again in oceans, lakes and rivers. Yeah. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.680 Magical stuff really. And when you think about it, and 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.640 this is also going to be important in our conversation, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.760 it's a closed system. This water is not leaving the planet. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.160 It's not coming in from outside the planet. Pretty much 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.440 the water that we have here today has been here 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.280 for millions of years. Closed system. And I'm doing like 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.840 wild gesticulating hand right now, I'm up at arms and 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.760 an energetically open way, right, so it can change forms. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.719 And when I say energetically, yes, yes, yes, yeah, it's 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.719 not it's not confined to a single state or anything 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.080 like that. Also, what's what I think is one of 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.680 the coolest things about water is it's different from a 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.159 lot of other liquids and that when it freezes, it expands. Now, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.080 generally speaking, when stuff gets cold, it tends to contract. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.080 You have molecular movements, slows down, right, That's essentially what 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.160 we're talking about with temperature. If something is hot, you've 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.400 got a lot more molecular movement going on. When something 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.200 is very cold, there's a lot less. So when we 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.160 say zero kelvin, when we talk about absolute zero, we're 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.559 talking about the absence of molecular movement, right, or atomic movement, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.280 if you want to think of it that way. So, 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.080 if you're talking about water, the interesting thing is that 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.120 as you cool it down own it does start to 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.560 contract until you get to about four degrees celsius and 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.800 between four and zero zero being the freezing point zero celsius, 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.880 water begins to expand and by the time it h's 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.440 freezing point, it will expand about nine. Now this is 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.720 different from most other liquids. Most of the liquids when 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.240 they freeze are they contract, they get they shrink. So 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.279 the reason for this is the actual molecular structure of water. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:30.039 It has these hydrogen atoms in it. Hydrogen is a 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:34.520 very reactive element. It likes to bond with other stuff. Um, 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.680 you'll see that all over nature. When you start looking 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.719 into compounds, hydrogen is in the mix a lot. So 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.919 hydrogen will end up making these uh, these crystalline structures 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.719 as it starts to freeze where it's spaces out the 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.239 molecules a bit, so it doesn't it's not as compact 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.520 as it is in liquid form, and that's unusual. Not 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.200 a lot of liquids do that, So I think that's 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.040 pretty cool. It also means that water ice form is 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.359 less dense than water, so that's my ice floats on 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.039 top of water. Yeah. And according to in October twenty 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.880 nine article in The Medium, So I love this quote. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.000 It says that's one reason why life on Earth has flourished. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.080 If ice were denser than water, lakes and oceans would 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.600 freeze from the bottom up, almost certainly preventing the kind 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.640 of chemistry that makes life possible. So thank you weird 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:29.160 freezing properties of ice. Yeah, we actually really lucked out there. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.840 And also things to remember water. The boiling point is 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.680 a hundred degrees celsius. That's tune or twelve fahrenheit, and 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.240 that is at sea level because barometric pressure will change 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.880 the boiling point of water in back pressure in general 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.640 changes the boiling point. So if you have lower pressure, 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.520 you need less heat to boil water. If you have 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.119 high pressure, then you need more heat to boil water. 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.440 So if you were at the top of Mount Everest. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.800 You could boil water if you just get it up 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.000 to sixty eight degrees celsius, which is a hundred fifty 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.480 or degrees fahrenheit. It's kind of cool. I would like 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.440 to boil water on Mount Everest. I really would there. 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.240 That would be the hard part, and I need to 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.280 bring my own oxygen. It might be a bit of 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.280 a thing. It's it's definitely a thing. Now. Um have 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.760 you seen the videos of people taking boiling water, like 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.880 a pan of it and going outside in the freezing 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:26.280 cold and the ice crystals form. I've seen videos like that. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.640 I've never looked into them. It's pretty cool. It's actually 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.840 called the Ma Pembo or excuse me Pembo effect. It's 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.080 named after Tanzanian student Erasta ma Pembo, and that's in 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.440 the nineties. He actually noticed this. It was like in 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.800 a cookery class or something. And so apparently even Aristotle 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.000 knew about this, and you know, it was wondering like 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.160 why does this happen? And so there is an idea 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:56.760 out there that warmer water than cold water, yes, because 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.920 it's giving off more of its energy. Interesting, and so 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:02.720 it's and I'm not gonna go way deep into it. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.880 But it's sort of like a momentum idea here. There's 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.960 there's a great Have you ever heard of a column 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.840 called the Straight Dope? I have, yeah, Straight Dope. It 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.720 started off as a a weekly column in a Chicago, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:19.320 a free Chicago newspaper and eventually became syndicated across the world. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.440 And one of the questions I remember reading in there 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.920 was does cold water boil faster than hot water? And 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.200 does hot water freeze faster than cold water? And it 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.440 drove the writer insane as he was as he was 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.120 looking more and more deeply into it. He says, all right, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.480 it turns out that extremely hot water will freeze faster 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.000 than warm water. But you know, okay, wait, wait, no, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.400 I got that wrong. Wait. It says that you can 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.720 just tell that he was that this was mind bending 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.320 for him. And there are some very kind of mind 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.960 bending facts about water that seems counterintuitive, like why would 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.720 warmer water creeze faster? Right? Cool faster than cold water? Yeah, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.480 so there's definitely some some weird sort of contradictions there 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.920 other things that are important to remember. Out of all 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.400 the water that's on Earth, only about three percent of 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.199 it is fresh water. The rest of its sea water, 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.000 and the stuff that we find in lakes, streams, ponds, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.520 and swamps makes up about point three percent of all 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.720 the world's water. Most of the freshwater on Earth is 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:27.640 trapped in glaciers. Yeah. Uh, and so we actually don't 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.000 really want to mount No, No, that would be a 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:34.800 bad thing for many many reasons. Already kind of Miami 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:40.199 is already really facing some big issues with rising sea levels, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.440 and it's just gonna get more difficult. Uh So, the 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.120 average American household, this is one of those facts that 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.320 you hear all the time that should really kind of 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.240 open your eyes. The average American household uses more than 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.040 one hundred thousand gallons of water per year, which includes 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.520 both indoor and outdoor use. So watering your law and 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.679 all that kind of stuff. Um, and that means you're 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.599 average family could fill an Olympic size swimming pool in 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.360 a little more than six years time. So have you 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.400 ever seen those signs before that say if it's yellow, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.240 let it mellow in restrooms? Yes, this is one of 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.840 the reasons a hundred thousand gallons. Yeah, a lot of 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.439 that is from flushing toilets. Yeah, I think stuff you 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.480 should know as Chuck Bryant has talked about that particular 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.080 philosophy before and stuff. You should know. I remember listening 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.960 to an old episode where he talked about it, and 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.200 I thought, you go, dude, uh, and then go again 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.520 because you haven't flushed yet. So he's mellow like that 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.480 he is. Then you have the the fact about the 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:37.160 average American using about a hundred gallons of water per day. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.400 Meanwhile your average resident of Sub Saharan Africa uses between 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:46.560 two to five. Yeah, I look away shamefully. It's tough. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.439 I mean, this is a tough thing to look at. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.040 And then, of course water is incredibly important. Not only 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.800 is it incredibly prevalent on the Earth, not only does 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.440 it cover most of the surface of the Earth, it 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.280 also accounts for between fifty and seventy of a pers 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.960 body weight, which I think is why, and what will 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.280 come to this later, why we sort of have fetishized 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:10.720 water is something to consume or to douse ourselves in sure, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.520 and it comes down to this idea of you know, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.079 purity in a way, right, we are mostly water, so 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.679 therefore this substance has a particular meaning. In fact, we 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.720 can talk about that a little bit. One of the 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.720 important things to remember. One of the reasons why some 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:32.000 of the more snake oil type technologies are able to 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.320 flourish is because we have ascribed certain meanings to water. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:41.800 I mean, it factors heavily in culture and mythology and legends. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.880 I mean it's it's a really important idea. Well, I 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.160 have to say that I feel like in terms of religion, 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.600 it really caught hold, you know, around the nine this 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:56.640 association between cleanliness and godliness social morality, and I thought, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.679 you know, I wonder what, what was that always the case? 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.480 Then I was looking at a chapter on clean from 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.079 the book How We Got to Now Six Innovations That 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.199 Changed the World by Stephen Johnson, and he was saying, hey, 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.240 that we weren't always so obsessed with water. And he 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.000 said that as a child, Louis the thirteenth of France 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.400 was not bathed once until he was seven years old, 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:24.000 and basically like that's how people rolled back then. But then, 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.800 you know, you fast forward to a time period in 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.600 which we have a robust plumbing infrastructure and we have 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.079 more access to clean water. And Kellogg comes along, Oh, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:40.120 Kellogg Love, do you remember the movie the title that movie? Yes, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.839 the Road to Wellville. Yes, yes, the road to Wellville. Yeah. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:48.720 Kellogg was a little little, a little bit on the 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:53.440 extreme side with cleanliness and his ideas of you know, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.240 some some of them were very very well based in science. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.959 Some of them went well beyond what science could support. Well, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.959 there was a lot of lon I irrigations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.599 less said about that, the happier I am. Really you 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.320 don't want to talk, because we could talk for a 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.840 long time about we could we could do that, but 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.760 I'm gonna choose Okay. So anyway, it's a good example 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.880 of how, you know, we take water and we're trying 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.360 to irrigate every single bit of ourselves, inch of us 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.320 because we want to attain some sort of I don't 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.960 know of a symbolic level of purity. And then that's 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.360 where you see all of a sudden, you know, especially 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.040 I want to seem like in the nine nineties, water 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.800 being bottled and distributed with this idea that there's you know, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.640 you could have some really good, you know, quality water. Yeah, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.800 like there's some not all waters are equivalent, some waters 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.720 are better than others, and that you know, you could 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.880 it doesn't matter if you were able to take two 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.079 different bottles of water or twenty different bottles of water 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.840 plus municipal tap water and do a chemical and now 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.839 this improved that there is no discernible difference in the 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.640 chemical makeup of all of these different things. That's not 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.200 going to change people's minds about which water is best. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:11.920 I mean, there are people who are going to be 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.000 convinced about that, and I mean there are things that 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:19.400 can go into changing uh slight subtle differences in waters, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.240 like taste or smell that can happen. But it's also 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.800 true that about twenty of all bottled waters are actually 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.000 just municipal tap water that's been put into bottles. Well, 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.320 and you know, you and I were talking about this earlier. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.680 The fact of the matter is is that you know, 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.760 there's there's really only two ways that tap water is collected, right, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.360 and um, one is you know ground water, so all 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.760 that stuff that's seeped into the into the ground, and 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.480 the other is you know lakes and rivers and so 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.160 on and so forth. And of course you know, if 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:51.880 you're going to collect those things and you're going to 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.440 try to purify them to su yeah, because they're going 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.200 to have some contaminants in them, right, But The fact 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.440 of the matter is all that water eventually has made 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:04.320 its way through some sort of substance, probably was like 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.480 a fecal matter substance, because if you look at everything 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:12.040 that has ever lived, every species um you know that 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.360 has lived and died, then you have poop and you 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:21.440 have their decomposing bodies and oil, not to mention urine. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.840 In fact, I did an episode of Forward Thinking where 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.840 I talked about water and at the end of it 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:27.640 they had me have a glass of water and I 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:32.640 took a sipmen m tristerratops as a little a little 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.640 just a little gag, a little joke. But yes, that's 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.240 absolutely true, and so that is another thing that will 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.400 come into play with the pseudoscience. Let's just kind of 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.040 look at some of these because there's tons of examples 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.680 of different approaches, and they again mostly rely on people 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.600 not really being scientifically literate when it comes to just 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.440 things like water and you know, basic science. So one 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.160 of those, there's Julie drinking water right now on Mike. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:01.680 What did you hear it? Oh yeah, I heard that. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.240 I just want to make sure you guys know it's good. No, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.160 you really are. I didn't even think to bring water 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.920 in here. So I feel like I've I've been slouching 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.400 off on the research. I'll haven't talking to you after 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.680 the episode. So one of the things that has come 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.760 up is this idea of water clusters and water clusters 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.360 in the technology world. It essentially says that there's usually 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.760 some sort of device that is supposed to induce water 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.360 to like groups of water molecules to cluster together in 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:37.359 particular patterns, and that this somehow makes water more effective 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.680 in hydration, or it ends up being helpful in some 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.360 other really vague way, like it's supposed to help your 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:50.600 health somehow, that the actual physical orientation of water molecules 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.800 changes how we take it in where they cluster, yeah, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.520 or how or what patterns, like if it clusters in 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.880 a hexagonal pattern, or if there or if it's a 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.280 cluster of five molecules rather than ten molecules. That's actually 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.920 one of the products I looked at talked about, like 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.159 the water that comes out of your tap clusters and 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.560 ten molecule groups, but our water clusters and five molecule groups, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.640 so it'll be absorbed by your body more effectively. All 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.119 of it was meaningless. I know, see, like I'm already 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.399 trying to transpose some sort of meaning on this, like 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.480 numerology or that helps. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely weird. That's 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.719 another thing is that they talk about it removing toxins. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.040 But again that's a very broad and vague topic that 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:39.320 doesn't necessarily mean anything. So, uh, here's the deal. Water 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.880 molecules do associate with each other within any body of water, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.600 like whether that's a lake or a glass of water 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.520 or whatever. They do associate with each other, and we 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.960 often will refer to those associations as clusters. But this 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.680 is purely a conceptual term, like we're using it as 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.520 as a way of describing this very brief association. And 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.359 when I talk about brief, I mean on the matter 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.280 of a few pico seconds, so they might be clustered 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.639 in five or seven this configuration for for for for 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.200 less than a fraction of a second. I mean, you know, 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.080 a pico second is a very short amount of time, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.520 so it pa say it's one trillionth of a second, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.880 So we're talking about so short that there's no way 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.120 a human would ever be able to perceive it, much 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.560 less be able to take some sort of beneficial effect 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:37.280 from it. And it's constantly rearranging itself. It's a fluid, 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:42.159 it's constantly These associations don't like lock in until you 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.480 free something, and then you've got a crystalline structure. But 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.000 if it's if it's in liquid form, it's never locked in. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.320 See there's there's no device that you could turn on. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.680 It's gonna zap it with electricity or shine some sort 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.520 of weird light on it, and that automatically makes the 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.720 water form itself into this molecular structure. That's just not 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.560 the way water works. Well, I feel like in even 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.760 trying to get to some sort of logic on it 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.280 and explain it, it's futile. Like even just trying to 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:15.160 you can tell like I see right, there's nothing to this, right, yeah, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.000 I mean it's it. And again, like the only reason 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.359 why it works is if someone does not know how water, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.320 you know, liquid water, how how that's arranged. And that's 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.040 understandable that you wouldn't know that because it's not necessarily 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:33.040 something you would learn in school. I mean, it certainly 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.000 wasn't something I learned in school until I got up 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.800 to like pretty high level chemistry. But there are other 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:44.520 ones that rely on things like piezoelectric effect of quartz crystals. 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.679 Which this is where they get you because they mentioned 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.119 something that does have a basis in science, but then 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.280 they apply it in a way that doesn't make anything. 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.080 That's what I was thinking. Okay, we know this as 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:59.000 kinetic energy, but is this really going to bolster my water? Right? Yeah, 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.640 in this case, we're talking about things like a water 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.760 filter system that you might have for a picture, like 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.080 you know, a picture of water. You've got the little 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:08.840 filter built in, but instead of it just being a 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:13.639 regular filter, filters do work. We'll talk about them later. Uh, 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.960 it would actually include a quartz crystal with the claim 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:18.879 that there's a piece of electric fact that's going to 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.160 zap the water and structure it in a specific way. 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.640 Now we've already covered the structure. The piece of electric part. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.200 Quarts does have a piece of electric feature. Piece of 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.600 electric means that if you apply a kinetic stress, like 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:38.639 you squeeze a crystal, it will induce an electric current 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.959 really and induces voltage. So uh, same sort of thing though, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.000 if you apply a electricity to a crystal, it will 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.240 then vibrate. This is the basis for quartz watches. So 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.480 that part sounds really cool because you realize, oh, piece 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.440 of electric that's a that's a big scientific word, and 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.639 you look into it. If you do some just casual research, 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:01.800 Oh this is a real thing. It's not a made 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.960 up word. But if you don't look any further than that, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.680 then you don't realize that, oh, this is a real word, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.040 but used for something that makes no sense, like there's 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.240 no scientific basis for what it's being applied toward. Well 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:18.360 in the mechanism too, right, like you're talking about kind 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:23.399 of storing this kinetic energy and water, Then yeah, how 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.840 do you do that? That's kind of yeah, you know again, 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:31.680 sure it's we live in a close system. You know, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.720 there's a button on the filter that you're supposed to 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.680 push to actually add stress to the courts crystal, because 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:40.119 I don't understand why. I don't understand where the mechanical 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.920 stress comes from to even affect this voltage change in 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.280 the first place, but at least not in the sense 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.280 of a filter. I mean, obviously in things like watches 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.920 and stuff you have, uh, you know, various mechanisms or 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.359 electronic circuits there that are meant to do this, But 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.760 in a filter, how's that? I don't know. I don't 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:00.879 know the ends. Well, yeah, I mean there're the how 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.960 do you dispense of the charge in the first place? Um? Yeah, 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.040 what was the charge? Actually? Like how what is the 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.000 mechanism for the charge to quote unquote structure this water? 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.120 As it turns out? And we'll talk about this again. 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.879 Pure water electricity and pure water not not such a 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.680 great mix because you know, you probably have heard like, 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.160 if there's a thunderstorm, you should get out of the pool. 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.560 Well that's absolutely true. But the water itself is not 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.440 a good conductor of electricity, not not if you don't 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.879 have ions dissolved in the water. If you have ions 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.120