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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tex Stuff from stuff

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Speaker 1: dot com. Either welcome to text Stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland

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Speaker 1: and joining me in the studio today is a really

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Speaker 1: ram functionous Julie Douglas from Stuff Before Your Mind. Hi, Julie, Hi,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I'm so excited to play

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Speaker 1: with you today. This is exciting for me too. Julie

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Speaker 1: was once upon a time my editor here at Health Stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's true, kind of just the boisterous conversations about chord

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Speaker 1: versus towards and sell and so forth. Yeah, she did

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Speaker 1: not appreciate my Anglo Philip ways. Now, Julie, when I

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Speaker 1: invited you onto the show, I did what I normally do,

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Speaker 1: and I extended to my guest the opportunity to pick

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Speaker 1: whatever topic he or she might like, and you picked

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Speaker 1: a really cool one. Yeah. I wanted to talk about water.

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Speaker 1: And all of this came from some stuff that's been

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Speaker 1: in the news lately thanks to Gwyneth Paltrow talking about

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Speaker 1: water and this idea that water might have a conscious,

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Speaker 1: which is well interesting, Yeah, a little little let's say, eccentric, uh,

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Speaker 1: compared to the standard scientific view. So we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: looking at a lot of different kinds of technology and

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Speaker 1: water and whether you know, there's gonna be some In fact,

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Speaker 1: the first half we're really going to be talking a

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Speaker 1: lot about technology that m M, it's probably best described

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Speaker 1: as pseudo scientific, and then towards the end we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about some actual technology that's based on hard science and

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Speaker 1: how that affects water. And so that's we're looking at

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Speaker 1: everything here because water, as it turns out, really important

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Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, and and I just want to say

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Speaker 1: this too. I was thinking about this, um there there's

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Speaker 1: some magical you know, thinking that goes into water, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, just this really harkens back someone

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Speaker 1: like Richard Dawkins, who has this book The Magic of

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Speaker 1: Reality and really celebrates, like, you know, the the actual

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Speaker 1: reality of our physical world is far more astounding than

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Speaker 1: some of the sort of things that we like to

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Speaker 1: this is cool. You can you can really look at

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Speaker 1: water and see that it is this phenomenal substance, which

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Speaker 1: I guess we could kind of tip our hats out

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Speaker 1: least in this form possibly with well definitely not this form.

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Speaker 1: We would be a very different form without water. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start with just some random, uh well

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Speaker 1: not really random about some some facts about water. Now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is gonna sound like third

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Speaker 1: grade science, and it should, but it's stuff that's important

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Speaker 1: because the a lot of the pseudo scientific technology is

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Speaker 1: upon consumers lack of understanding of basic science. So water,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead, get out there. H two O. It's

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Speaker 1: a molecule. Two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom, making

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Speaker 1: sweet sweet molecular love. Until you get a water molecule. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we've got the three basic states, right. You've got

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Speaker 1: water is the liquid state. You've got ice, which is

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Speaker 1: the solid state, and then water vapor or steam, which

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Speaker 1: is the gaseous state, which all contributes to the water cycle.

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Speaker 1: Should we do a quick thing on that? For sure?

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Speaker 1: The sun burning down so very hot upon like say

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Speaker 1: when you get a perfect amount of saturation and condensation

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Speaker 1: the collection of it again in oceans, lakes and rivers. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Magical stuff really. And when you think about it, and

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Speaker 1: it's a closed system. This water is not leaving the planet.

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Speaker 1: the water that we have here today has been here

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Speaker 1: wild gesticulating hand right now, I'm up at arms and

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Speaker 1: an energetically open way, right, so it can change forms.

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Speaker 1: the coolest things about water is it's different from a

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Speaker 1: lot of other liquids and that when it freezes, it expands. Now,

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Speaker 1: freezing point, it will expand about nine. Now this is

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Speaker 1: the reason for this is the actual molecular structure of water.

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Speaker 1: It has these hydrogen atoms in it. Hydrogen is a

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. It also means that water ice form is

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Speaker 1: less dense than water, so that's my ice floats on

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Speaker 1: It says that's one reason why life on Earth has flourished.

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Speaker 1: If ice were denser than water, lakes and oceans would

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Speaker 1: freeze from the bottom up, almost certainly preventing the kind

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Speaker 1: of chemistry that makes life possible. So thank you weird

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Speaker 1: freezing properties of ice. Yeah, we actually really lucked out there.

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Speaker 1: And also things to remember water. The boiling point is

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Speaker 1: So if you were at the top of Mount Everest.

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Speaker 1: called the Ma Pembo or excuse me Pembo effect. It's

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Speaker 1: named after Tanzanian student Erasta ma Pembo, and that's in

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Speaker 1: But it's sort of like a momentum idea here. There's

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Speaker 1: called the Straight Dope? I have, yeah, Straight Dope. It

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Speaker 1: it turns out that extremely hot water will freeze faster

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile your average resident of Sub Saharan Africa uses between

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Speaker 1: And then, of course water is incredibly important. Not only

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Speaker 1: that's assuming that the water that you're having actually does

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Speaker 1: have a supplement to it. As for adding actual hydrogen,

428
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: atomic hydrogen to water not so effective. Because we just

429
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: mentioned that hydrogen is incredibly reactive. It wants to bond.

430
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you, Julie, just wants to make friends.

431
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: That's why I'm sitting right next to you so uncomfortably

432
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: close right now, just trying to bond with you. It's

433
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: actually been very difficult for us to make sure that

434
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: the microphones don't have feedback from their proximity. Yeah, I mean,

435
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: this isn't weird right right away from your head? You

436
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: know it's weird? Is a is a charged word. I

437
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: don't like to use the word weird. Uncomfortable, certainly physically uncomfortable.

438
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: But getting back to the hydrogenated water, so, yeah, you

439
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: might get like a concentration of H two in water.

440
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: In effect, when you do that, you're really talking about

441
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: a hydrogen suspension in water. So it's not exactly the

442
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: same thing. Um, but there have been some studies I've

443
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: shown that hydrogen can act kind of light in any

444
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: like an antioxidant, but it may not be that it's

445
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: truly effective in the amounts you're going to find and

446
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: in hydrogenated water. So it's yeah, so you're saying that

447
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: I can't go smoke like hot box an entire boxes

448
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: cigarettes and then just drink some hydrogenated water and cancel

449
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: it out. I'm sad to tell you that that in

450
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: fact is yeah, you can't do that. I mean you

451
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: can't expect it to work. I mean and talk about

452
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: magical thinking. Yeah, right there, Yeah, it really is. So. Yeah,

453
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: it's H two water would be a molecular hydrogen in water,

454
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: and if you drank it, you might have some mild

455
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: antioxidant effects, but it's very little measurable effect for some reason.

456
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: I just I imagine that would give you the toots.

457
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: That's probably not right, but no, no, but you know

458
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: that is one other thing to remember though, not the toots,

459
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: but the idea that hydrogen gas is a dangerous substance.

460
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's extremely flammable. Uh, it's you know, I

461
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: think there was one resource I was reading they're referred

462
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: to hydrogenated water that would give you explosive results about

463
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: what poor wording considering what hydrogen You know, you could

464
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: blow up if you had an amount of hydrogen gas

465
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: that caught fire. Now you probably have heard about this

466
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: Ignoble award. Uh that was given to someone who actually

467
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: did some research on colonoscopies that went awry. Wow, do

468
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about hydrogen that was ignited

469
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: when people were getting like polyps auterized or whatever. So

470
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: we went from don't know why how we got yeah,

471
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: colonics to colonoscopies. We're really, you know, really scraping the

472
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: bottom now. Okay, so let's move on to ionized water. Okay,

473
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: do you know about the ionized footpaths? I don't know

474
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: about these. Please tell me about a long time ago,

475
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm that kind of gal. I like

476
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: to experiment. Um, you know, going to an isolation chamber

477
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: and into into a big thing of water, right, um,

478
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: and just see what that's like. I'll do that, right,

479
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: Get a foot bath that's going to take out the

480
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: toxins o my body? Sure, okay, yeah, this is called

481
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: ionic detoxification footpaths, and they were touted as removing toxins

482
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: from your body and balancing the cellular energy. Of course

483
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: they do. Now when you do it, they put you know,

484
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: some stuff in there. I don't know, like bath salts

485
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: or something. Sure, you're talking about actual bath salts, not

486
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: not the street name for that methamphetamine variant, right, the

487
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: face bath salts. No, But then they give that to you.

488
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: So it's all inclusive, is what you're telling me. A

489
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: twenty minutes later, you look down at the water and

490
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: it's disgusting and sort of orangey brown and bubbling. It

491
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: looks like some sort of acidic cauldron. And it's great

492
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: because it's absolute hooey. Yeah yeah, but I mean it's

493
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: one of those sort of snake oil thinks, because people

494
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: who will do these will say, well, look there's the

495
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: evidence right there of all the impurities in your body

496
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: coming out. Well, you know, I wanted to look at

497
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: Dr Andrew Wild and see what he had to say

498
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: about this, because he takes it integrative medical approach to everything.

499
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: So here's someone who's pretty steeped in science, but he's

500
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: got sort of open mind in terms of like what

501
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: holistically might be able to to help people anyway. He says, quote,

502
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: this is all complete nonsense. The Guardian, unlimited and unlined

503
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: British newspaper sent a doctor to have an ionic detox

504
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: foot bath. He took water samples before and after and

505
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: sent into a lab for analysis, and neither sample contained

506
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: any toxins. And when the reporter suspected that the discolored

507
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: water might be due to rust, he tried an experiment.

508
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: He rigged up a bowl of salt water with two

509
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: metal nails attached to a car battery to simulate the

510
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: metal electrodes or excuse me, electrodes used in ionic detox

511
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: foot baths. And that water turned brand with some sludge

512
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: on top, and the same thing that happens with these footbaths,

513
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: and the change in color was due to iron from

514
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: the nails. Uh. Yeah, yeah, we see this a lot too, righte.

515
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: We see we see treatments, not just water treatments, but

516
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: other treatments where there are alternative explanations for the transformation

517
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: of some material that's made contact with you, rather than

518
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: just you know, this was in your body and now

519
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: it's out. Sometimes it's no, this is what happens after

520
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: a chemical reaction has occurred that may or may not

521
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: require a person to be present for it to actually happen. Um.

522
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, uh, there's also ionized water that's meant

523
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: for drinking, not just for dunking your tip season two

524
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: and um. One of the one of the products that

525
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: I've seen has actually a whole suite of products claims

526
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: to use electrolysis to ionize water. So this water is

527
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: supposed to be better for you in lots of different ways,

528
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: depending upon which company is offering the product. But it's

529
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: very similar to the other claims, like it's supposed to

530
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: get you hydrated faster, or remove toxins, are healthier in

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00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: some other way. But here's the thing. To a chemist,

532
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: ionized water doesn't mean anything. Uh. You can't really ionize water.

533
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: You can have dissolved ions in water. Uh. And ions

534
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: are are atoms that have either gained or lost an

535
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: electron from their elemental form. And so at this point

536
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: when you talk about or their atomic form, I should

537
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: say so when you're looking at an ion, it has

538
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: a net charge because it means that now there are

539
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: an unequal number of protons to electrons. So if there

540
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: are too fuel electrons, that has a positive charge. If

541
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: there are too many has a negative charge, too many

542
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: being compared to the atomic version of that particular element.

543
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: So you can have those dissolved in water. But that's

544
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: different than saying ionized water. It's saying that would be

545
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: water with ionized particles dissolved in it. It's two different things.

546
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: So once in a while, water molecules will dissociate and

547
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: turn into hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions. That's still not

548
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: ionized water, but it means that the that one of

549
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: the hydrogen atoms splits off and comes an ion, and

550
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: you have the hydroxide. That's hydrogen and oxygen just one

551
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: single hydrogen atom one single oxygen atom. So you could

552
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: have ions of both of those, but that process doesn't.

553
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: It takes a while, and the reverse process takes very

554
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: little time. So the process of hydrogen and hydroxide ions

555
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: recombining to make water happens very very quickly. So it

556
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: turns out that if you were to look at a

557
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: billion hydrogen or a billion water molecules, you might find

558
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: two instances of hydrogen and hydroxide ions out of it,

559
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: out of a billion. So very little of it happens.

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00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: It doesn't, It doesn't have any sort of meaningful amount. Now,

561
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: electrolysis is a real thing too, just like piece electric,

562
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: so that that's using electricity to break down stuff. Well yeah,

563
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean actually it's used to turn purified urine into

564
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: breathable air and has been used by NASA for thirteen years. Yeah,

565
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: it's also what some companies are using to harvest hydrogen.

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Speaker 1: Hydrogen as it turns out as hard to get hold of.

567
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: It's usually bonded with something else, and so we have

568
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: to spend energy to get hydrogen. One of the ways

569
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: is to run an electric current through water to break

570
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: down molecular bonds and release oxygen and hydrogen and then

571
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: harvest hydrogen that way. So you can do it, but

572
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: using pure water is very difficult because, like I was

573
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: saying before, pure water doesn't really conduct electricity if you

574
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: have ions in the water that allows electricity to conduct

575
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: through it. So you might have something like a um

576
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: magnesium ions in there in order for you to be

577
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: able to do some electrolysis of the water. Uh, but

578
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: it is, it is a real thing. So often you'll

579
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: again find claims from from technology manufacturers that say this

580
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: electrolysis device will ionize your water, and that doesn't mean anything.

581
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: And also the devices they're selling probably not putting out

582
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: enough electric current to actually do anything to the water.

583
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, one of the themes that keeps

584
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: emerging when we're talking about this is this idea that

585
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: these um the molecular structures, Yes, you can manipulate them,

586
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: but that but these sort of changes or splits are

587
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: less transient. Yeah, yeah, they are minor, they don't last

588
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: very long, so it's, you know, effectively, most people just

589
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: say there's no change because in a meaningful way, there

590
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: isn't a real change. But what if you're like, you

591
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: have this this cup of water, you're staring on it

592
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: and you're really concentrating, like you are thinking of the

593
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: most beautiful unicorn ever. Okay, well that existed before the dinosaurs. Right,

594
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: So it's a Thursday, is what you're saying. Right, That's

595
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: how I spend my thursdays. Yeah, okay, say I'm having

596
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: really super fantasies, warm fuzzy thoughts while staring at water. Yeah,

597
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: what are you getting out? What I'm getting is like

598
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: maybe like maybe that water can be like conscious, Like

599
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: it could really jive to this idea that you have

600
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: of this magical you know, creature. So you're and then

601
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: you would drink it and you would feel magical. So

602
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: you're talking, you're talking about some some beliefs that would

603
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: be championed by masaru Imoto. Then yes, so Masumoto, who

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00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: we're recording this in November two thousand fourteen. He passed

605
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: away in October. Yeah, so, uh. Mr Ramoto was a

606
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Japanese entrepreneur among other things, and an author, and he

607
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: had written a couple of books about his personal experiments

608
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: with water and emotions. And his claim was that your

609
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: emotional state could affect the quality of water, and you

610
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 1: would be able to see this effect when you would

611
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: do things like freeze the water. Was about to say, like,

612
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: we've talked about water being transparent, how do you how

613
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: do you glimpse into this water consciousness? You freeze it? Yeah,

614
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: and that he he had claimed that water that came

615
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: from a pure source, not just pure and chemically, but

616
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: pure with emotion would form more beautiful crystalline structures. So

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00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: a snowflake from such water would be, uh, would be

618
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: more beautiful than water from some other like negative source,

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00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: Like he had a bunch of a bunch of negative

620
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: nancies who were just hanging out next to the water

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00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: water cooler. The water from that would make ugly snowflakes.

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00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: I think his initial experiment. And this, by the way,

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00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: if you guys aren't familiar with this and you've ever

624
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: seen the movie What the Bleep do we know? He

625
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: is featured pretty heavily in this movie. Um talking about this,

626
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: and initially in his experiment, he took something like a

627
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: hundred Patrio dishes filled with water, and then he froze them.

628
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: And then some of those Petrio dishes had you know,

629
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: positive vibes, the other had negative ones. And that's and

630
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: then when he looked out in a microscope, he thought

631
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: he saw these you know, let's not say that. He

632
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: thought he saw patterns that he felt were as you say,

633
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: um more symmetrical and beautiful, whereas the negative ones were

634
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: duller jagged and asymmetrical. And then like he kind of

635
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: felt fueled by that. So then he did uh sort

636
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: of variants of this experiment. He taped the name Adolf

637
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: Hitler to one to a glass of water to see

638
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: what happened with that. So clearly water can also read yes,

639
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: well no, it's just the thought, just even the right

640
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: if you look at I like your joke, but you

641
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. His idea was like, now I'm

642
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: looking at this glass of water and Hitler's water. And

643
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: then he had some other water that was blessed with

644
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: holy up by a monk or someone. And then he

645
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: had another experiment in which I don't know, people two

646
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: thousand miles away, we're thinking good pure thoughts about this

647
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: water that he had in his lap, if good vibes

648
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: at a distance could have effect on this water. So

649
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: here's the thing, though he didn't really engage in any

650
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: sort of blinded tests. No, that is, there was no

651
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: scientific rigor here, right if he if if you want

652
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: to prove that there is some sort of emotional effect

653
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: on water, like from a molecular structure standpoint, which by

654
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: the way, has absolutely no basis in any kind of science,

655
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: than what you would have to do is have a

656
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: double blinded test in which the person observing these crystals

657
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: has no idea what the origin source of that water was.

658
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: They could not know because he knew which samples were

659
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: supposed to be the pure ones versus the ugly ones,

660
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: which automatically enters bias into the picture. Beyond that, you're

661
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: talking about something that's subjective as well. You would have

662
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: to have a much more objective approach by saying, all right, well,

663
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: what what constitutes the molecular patterns we would expect with

664
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: this happy water versus sad water? Because beautiful is not

665
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: going to cut it, because beauty is in the eye

666
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: of the beholder, as we have all heard, and what

667
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: one person might find esthetically pleasing, someone else might think

668
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: is ugly or uh, is not as pleasing, And so

669
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: this was problematic from start to fill. And the other

670
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: thing is that no scientists could ever reproduce his results.

671
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: That's flag And the other thing is okay, so why

672
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: can why couldn't they reproduce his results? Well, I mean

673
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things that could be going on.

674
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: One is that you can easily have conta contaminants that

675
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: would change the structure of the ice crystals. Yeah. In fact,

676
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, for things like snowflakes and rain drops are

677
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: particulate is particulate matter is necessary so that they can

678
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: form around it. Right, So if you had a pure

679
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: source of water with no contaminants at all, it would

680
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: actually be harder for you to form any kind of

681
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: crystalline structure because it would have a thing to form around.

682
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: And then the second thing is that that structure is

683
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: going to vary widely based on the cooling rate. Yeah,

684
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: so obviously not so scientific. How about have you heard

685
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: of alkaline water or alkaline water if you prefer Noway,

686
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: so it's it's the battery in water. Not quite. I

687
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: mean you could, but I wouldn't recommend it. Now. This

688
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: is this is supposed to be water that's supposed to

689
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: restore your body's pH levels, that you are you are

690
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: balanced properly um and you know it. The way you

691
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: do it is you have water that raises the pH level,

692
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: like the water itself has got a higher pH level

693
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: than water typically does, and that this can counteract the

694
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: acids that you encounter. Here's some problems. First of all,

695
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: pure water can't be alkaline oristic by its very nature.

696
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: It can't. It's chemically impossible. Electrolysis won't affect pH levels.

697
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: Although a lot of places claimed that they have boosted

698
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: pH levels through electrolysis, that's just not true. For water

699
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: to be alkaline, you actually have to add metallic ions

700
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: to it, so that might be sodium or calcium or magnesium.

701
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: And we get rid of excess acid already we don't

702
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: need this, uh, we do it through respiration by by

703
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: exiling carbon dioxide, we get rid of some acid. Um.

704
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: We also have this gastric fluid in our stomach that's

705
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: highly acidic. It would immediately counteract in any kind of

706
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: alkaline substance that we would drink in. And not only that,

707
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: but we don't absorb water primarily through our stomachs. We

708
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: absorb most of the water through our intestines. Well, when

709
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: water passes from the stomach to the intestines, you get

710
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: some pancreatic secretions which raised the pH level and make

711
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: it alkaline anyway, so you don't even need alkaline water.

712
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: Regular water becomes alkaline after it goes into your intestine.

713
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: Your body does it for you, you know. Rubbert and

714
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: I just did an episode on oxygen, and mainly because

715
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: we really want to explore the new material that will

716
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: store and bind release the gas, not the television network.

717
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: Does that still exist? I don't know. I haven't watched

718
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: TV in a while, you know, and I don't know

719
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: that you can't store and then bind and release that

720
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: the actual TV channels. Yeah, but you can with oxygen right. Anyway,

721
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: we wanted to to explore that, and then we thought, well,

722
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: let's just look into other matters of oxygen and oxygen bars.

723
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: And it's the whole thing about like, you know, there's

724
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: there's twenty one percent oxygen in our atmosphere and that's perfect.

725
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: That's what we've evolved into, right or that's that's the

726
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: thing that makes our bodies work. There's no reason to

727
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: go into an oxygen bar and have oxygen put up

728
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: into your nose holes for twenty minutes. It's not. Your

729
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: body is already perfectly calibrated with the amount that's available

730
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere. And that's what reminds me a lot

731
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: about what we're talking about today, is you know, all

732
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: these sort of ideas at least like a sort of

733
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: foe technology, yeah, and are delivering Actually are you know,

734
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: flying the face of what are finely tuned systems are

735
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: doing naturally right? That that is definitely odd because the

736
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: messages that this is supposed to restore balance, but in

737
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: reality it's it's taking the thing that actually is balanced

738
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: and putting it out of whack. Or if if in

739
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: fact it works and the technology is actually doing what

740
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: is claimed to be doing, I haven't even gone into that,

741
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of these examples where it

742
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: may very well be that if you were to disassemble

743
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: such a device uh that was supposed to change water

744
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: in some meaningful way, you might find that there's nothing

745
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: at all there, just a charcoal filter maybe yeah, yeah,

746
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: which definitely does work. But that's a totally known quantity um.

747
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: There's also just a round out the various types of

748
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: crazy water stuff. There's the concept of energized water, which

749
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: can cover a huge spectrum of pseudo scientific claims, including

750
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: things like that use words like vibration, the piece of

751
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: electric one would be very similar to that, or quantum.

752
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: Quantum is a great word that can mean anything that

753
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: anyone wants it to mean. It's actually I've heard some

754
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: scientists say that we should retire the word quantum wells

755
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: and yeah, because it no longer means what it was

756
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: intended to mean. Now it just kind of means mystical, like,

757
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, because because things on the quantum level behave

758
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: in a way that's very different from the classic level

759
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: of physics. And and because these things that would be

760
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: impossible on the macro scale are commonplace on the quantum scale.

761
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: The quantum world now has this, you know, it's kind

762
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: of replaced magic for some people. Like now now it's

763
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: because certain things are possible on the quantum scale. Everything

764
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: is possible on the quantums. Gale that that's the way

765
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: the thinking seems to progress. And water is water, right,

766
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: like the state of water is you know, well, you

767
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: could have three different states of water, But that doesn't

768
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: make it quantum and it's still water. It's still a thing.

769
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: I guess I'm trying to say is like if it

770
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: could just magically poof water would be gone, then maybe

771
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: we would say it's it's water, not water quantum state.

772
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's short injer's water. It's here, but it's

773
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: not here. The water is only in the pool. If

774
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: you look at the pool, look in the box. If

775
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: you look away from the pool, there's no water in

776
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: the pool. Uh. Yeah, no, we don't. It's it's a

777
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: bogus term. But there is plenty of real technology that

778
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: we use with water to make it uh potable, make it,

779
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: make it something that we can actually make use of.

780
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: Filtration is a very basic one. Filtering water is it's

781
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: incredibly simple. Essentially, you need a filter that has pores,

782
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: and the smaller those poores, the more uh contaminants it's

783
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: going to keep out of your water. So essentially you

784
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: just pass water through the filter. It holds back the impurities,

785
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: the pollution microorganisms, uh, and you have a poorous substance.

786
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: The pores might be if there let's say, oh a

787
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: micron in size or smaller, that's gonna filter up microns

788
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: super small. We're talking of a millimeter or one millions

789
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: of a meter. So from micron you would then go

790
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: down to nanometer, so we're talking really small. But if

791
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: it's a micron in size, it's gonna filter out all

792
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: the parasitic eggs and larva, which account for a large

793
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: number of problems where you have people who don't have

794
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: access to pure, clean drinking water. I mean, larva and

795
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: parasites cause enormous health problems and a large large populations

796
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: around the world, serious serious problem. Um, if you go

797
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: down to point four microns, so less than half of micron,

798
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: that's how small you need to get in order to

799
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: filter out bacteria. So we're talking like a super tiny

800
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: hole in the filter, uh, or the super tiny holes

801
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: because we talked about pores in order to be able

802
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: to filter out bacteria. So that's okay, So tell me

803
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong about this. It's like fifty microns that

804
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: across that would equal one a little sprig of hair.

805
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: Let's see it's a hundred it's it's around eighty thousand,

806
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand nanometers. So I always try to get

807
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: some sort of microns really for the diameter of a

808
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: human hair. But there's no there's a very wide range, yes,

809
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: And I keep that in mind. Yeah, And then you're

810
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: talking about so you might say, well, how is that

811
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: even possible to make filters that have these pores that's small? Well,

812
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: a lot of filters end up using other things to

813
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: help so that they don't need poor is the small

814
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: So you were mentioning when we were talking about this

815
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: before we went into the studio. You you say, hey,

816
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: are you gonna talk about the life straw? And I

817
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: completely forgot about it, So I'm glad you brought it up.

818
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: The life straws are really cool device, very simple device.

819
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: It's a pipe filter and it's a It's called straw

820
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: because the way it works is you put one end

821
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: of it into a body of water and you suck

822
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: on the other end. It pulls the water through a

823
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: filtration system so that it filters out the vast majority

824
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: of things that would be potentially hazardous to you, so

825
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: you get you get relatively clean drinking water. The reason

826
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: I use those qualifiers is because the filter on the

827
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: life straw has much larger pores than what I was

828
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: just talking about, So it has has two filters that

829
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: are porous filters. One of them has pours a hundred

830
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: microns in size, so that gets the large particulates out

831
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: of the water, and the next one has poors of

832
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: fifteen microns in size, so at that size you can

833
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: still get like um, some stuff that would be pretty dangerous. However,

834
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: it also has a chamber that has little beads filled

835
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: with iodine, and iodine will kill most of the microorganisms

836
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: that would cause you real problems. After that is an

837
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: empty chamber where the iodine can continue to work on

838
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: any kind of micro organisms as it continues through the

839
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: pipe filter. Next you have active carbon, and the active

840
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: carbon is meant to do two things. Attract any other

841
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: things that have gotten through, and also to remove the

842
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: terrible smell and taste of iodine from your water, because

843
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: iodine will create this bitter taste. It does have a

844
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: distinct smell. It's unpleasant, so the carbon is meant to

845
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: help take that out. And I've seen different figures on

846
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: how expensive each LifeStraw would be. Uh the lowest I

847
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: saw was two dollars per straw, and it's supposed to

848
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: be able to last for sevens, which is about a

849
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: year's worth of water for a single person. And it's

850
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: great because it's portable, right, I mean, with you anywhere exactly.

851
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: It's a tiny little thing comparatively speaking, compared to like

852
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: a municipal filtration system. It's it's it's microscopic practically, but yeah,

853
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a neat device, and it's very neat

854
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: because of its simplicity. But you also have other technology.

855
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: Desalination a big one. The basic way of doing this,

856
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's lots of different ways if you if

857
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: you really just want to have a very simple way.

858
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: Let's say you have a bucket and you go out

859
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: and get some sea water, and you fill you buck

860
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: it up with some seawater, and then you put a

861
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: plastic bag over the bucket so you've sealed it off,

862
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: and you you edge the plastic bag so that it

863
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: kind of tilts downward at an angle to one side

864
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: of the bucket. Heat is going to cause water to evaporate,

865
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: which will then condense on the inside of the plastic bag,

866
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: and some of that's going to run down and go

867
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: into the other end of the plastic bag off to

868
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: this out of the bucket. That water is going to

869
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: be pure water it's gonna leave behind the salt. Uh.

870
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: So that's your basic desalination. So a desalination plant tends

871
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: to have an enormous boiler where you put seawater, you

872
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: heat it up to boiling, and you collect the steam

873
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: and allow it to condense back into fresh water. That's

874
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: pretty cool. It's like on a microscale the water cycle. Yeah,

875
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: it really is the only But there are some issues.

876
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: One is that you're left with this kind of salty

877
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: slurry at the end, and uh, what do you do

878
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: with that? Um, you could body scrap. Yeah, that'd be

879
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: a good one. That'd be a much better one than

880
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: what a lot of desalination plants do, which is that

881
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: they'll return it to the ocean. Uh. The issue there

882
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: is that you have this concentrated amount of salt that

883
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: can do damage to ecosystems. So if you just dump

884
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: it like on a coral reef, then you've suddenly drastically

885
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: increased the salinity of that area. That's a problem. Uh,

886
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: but it is certainly an interesting technology and necessary for

887
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: a lot of communities that don't have access to freshwater. Uh.

888
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Then there's the sling shot, and this is an invention

889
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: by a certain Dean Cayman. Are you familiar when Mr

890
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Dean Cayman. Yep, that's him, That's the guy. And he

891
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: created the Segue. He also created the Luke arm which

892
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: is a cyborg arm that is awesome. It's amazing. There

893
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: are very variations. If if I were to lose an arm,

894
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 1: I would definitely want to look arm. I would prefer

895
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: to keep my arm, I mean like attached to me,

896
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: not just in a case. I would like to have

897
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: my arm. But if I were to lose an arm,

898
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: I would want to look arm um. And it was

899
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: named after Luke Skywalker's kind of awesome. Yeah, yeah, so

900
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: but the the sling Shot was his approach to how

901
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: do you get a clean water supply to people who

902
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: other eyes would not have it in all parts of

903
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: the world. What what is the most efficient system that

904
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: he could come up with. And it's similar to a

905
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: desalination approach. So it's the sling shot uses uh it, well,

906
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: it can. It can make up to a quarter of

907
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: million leaders of clean water per year um with a

908
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: single one, which is enough to serve the needs of

909
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: about three people for that year. So that's just one

910
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: sling shot. You could get multiple ones and obviously increase

911
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: that number. And it can turn anything like seawater, sewage,

912
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: or even chemical waste into pure drinking water, which is

913
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And he's partnered with Coca Cola in Or

914
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: to distribute this two different areas. They actually had a

915
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: couple of tests UM runs out in Africa that went

916
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: really well. And they they also try to train like

917
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: they'll they'll find people local to the community to train

918
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: them to run the business so that it's all Coca

919
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: Cola does not have an interest in a direct interest anyway.

920
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: They're not profiting from it, which is a great thing. UM.

921
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: They're allowing the locals to take charge of it. They're

922
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: just providing the technology. But essentially what goes What happens

923
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: is dirty water goes into the sling shot through a hose. Um.

924
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: There's a pump that pulls the water into a boiling chamber. Now,

925
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: if you're just starting this thing up for the first time,

926
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: you're having to spend some energy to heat up the

927
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: boiling chamber to boiling two hundred degrees celsius. The water boils,

928
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: uh the water vapor the steam that comes up is

929
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: clean and so that then goes into a compressor. Now

930
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: you would think it would normally go through a condensation

931
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: coil and turn into water. Instead, he puts it through

932
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: a condenser. And here's why. Remember when we said early

933
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: on that if you increase the pressure of liquid, it

934
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: increases the boiling point. That's why. So he compresses the

935
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: water vapor. That adds about ten degrees celsius of temperature

936
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: to it in the process, but it also raises the

937
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: boiling point of the water, so it starts to condense

938
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: down into water superheated water. It's above the boiling point,

939
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: but because of the compression, that boiling point has been raised,

940
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: so you get superheated water on one side. Now that

941
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: superheated water goes through a heat exchanger so that the

942
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: incoming dirty water and the superheated pure water exchange heat.

943
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: They're in separate parts of the system, so there's no contamination.

944
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: But the cold dirty water gets flash boiled because it's

945
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: pulling heat from the superheated water, which then is cool

946
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: to room temperature. So you get room temperature water on

947
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: one side and flash boiling the dirty water on the

948
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: other side. There's also an exhaust hose that takes all

949
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: the super nasty gunk of whatever it is that was

950
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: going in there in the first place, so you do

951
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: have an exhaust hose as well. But I thought this

952
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: was a really cool thing. And the neatest thing about

953
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: it is that that superheated water provides all the heat

954
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: necessary to keep the boiling chamber at the right temperature.

955
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: So once once it gets started, the heat is self sustaining. Okay,

956
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: now you still have to you still have to pour

957
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: energy in for the pomps, but not for the boiling chamber.

958
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: That's very cool, you know, And when when you look

959
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: at this sort of technology in place, which is so

960
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: important for countries that don't have access to clean water,

961
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: it really puts into perspective like, stay here in the

962
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: United States, how crazy it is that we engage in

963
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: this kind of yuck factor. You know, when we talk

964
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: about water reclamation, we're talking about taking sewer water and

965
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: essentially purifying it so that it's potable, and a lot

966
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: of communities will sometimes push back on that because there's

967
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: that association of you know, fecle met or in my water.

968
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: Even though the end result is that you have pure,

969
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: clean drinking water, you can chemically demonstrate that the water

970
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: itself is not contaminated by any of these other things

971
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: that it used to be part of. But there is

972
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: that there's that psychological barrier. Same thing is true, like

973
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: we've talked about on tech stuff and on forward thinking

974
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: about the International Space Station and how they take extremes

975
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: to try and conserve water as much as possible, and

976
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: then an ideal system would conserve water from everything from

977
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: urine to your sweat. It would all get captured, processed,

978
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: and then you would have clean drinking water and you

979
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: would expel anything else in any other contaminants out of space. Um.

980
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: So there is that thought of people are like, oh,

981
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to drink my own P. You're not

982
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: drinking You're drinking water that was reclaimed from P and

983
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: is chemically the exact same stuff that's coming out of

984
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: your faucet, which spoiler alert has probably been pid at

985
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: least once through the history of the Earth through something

986
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: some creatures. Yeah, something somewhere that water has been through it,

987
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so you know, and it might think, well,

988
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: with enough time, well that's a thing like you you get. Um.

989
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: A lot of this is just semantics. We're talking about

990
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: this earlier, Like there's a sthantic distancing, like if you

991
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: can just name it in a different way, you can

992
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: market it or spin it, then you can get that

993
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: sort of psychological distancing from the thing that it is.

994
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: But that being said, I always go back to this

995
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: microbiologist whose name escapes me at the moment, but he says,

996
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: there's a fine patina of feces covering the world, and

997
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: we forget that. You know every surface, and in the

998
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: same way, there's your in everywhere in the world. I

999
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: used to have a an interior design company where our

1000
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: slogan was there's a fine patina of FECs covering everything,

1001
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: but uh, we went business. I would have thought that

1002
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: you would have had at least some scatological minded No,

1003
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't like that the guy who created the Kloaka bot.

1004
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: Perhaps I did want to mention an unsung hero of

1005
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: water and again Stephen Johnson, he's got that chapter on

1006
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: clean in his book. He has a PBS series too,

1007
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: called How We Got to Now, But he points out

1008
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: that we largely owe our clean drinking water to this

1009
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: physician John Leal, who had this little idea of like

1010
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: maybe if I put a little chlorine in the water,

1011
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: it would clean it I wonder how I could get

1012
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: a large enough body of water to test this out.

1013
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: And surreptitiously, he goes to a plant in I believe

1014
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, Jersey City, and he puts chlorine into

1015
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: the water supply in the early nineteen hundreds to see

1016
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: if if he has any could clean the water or

1017
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: I might poison the entire population of this area. Yeah,

1018
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: it was a palsy thing to do. That's a pretty

1019
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that science does require courage, but sometimes courage can

1020
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: border on the scary. But that was awesome that it

1021
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: turned out all right? Isn't it right? Isn't it great

1022
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: that it turned out all right? And then he turned

1023
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: around and officially like presented his results drinking Jersey City.

1024
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: But in doing this and adopting this um, he actually

1025
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: cut the infant and child mortality rate in half over

1026
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: a thirty year period. Yeah, because of all the junk

1027
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: that was in their previous to that, not to mention

1028
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: making public swimming pools reality as well as all lifeguards saying,

1029
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: oh the pool, we have a f R incident. I

1030
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: think I think I could take a guess as to

1031
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: what it means. But what is that stand for? Accidental

1032
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: fecal release. Yeah, you see how you brought that all

1033
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: through sixty Yeah. Uh, I'm glad that. Uh. I'm glad

1034
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: you were here to to walk me through all things

1035
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: poop and water related. That's generally, that's what's going to happen.

1036
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: When when when you ask a Julie Douglas on the show. Okay, well,

1037
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: uh but no, Julie, thank you so much for joining

1038
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: me for this episode. It was a lot of fun.

1039
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Thanks for having me. I learned a lot.

1040
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: This is great. Yeah. Maybe uh we'll have you back

1041
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: on soon so we can talk about some other kind

1042
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: of crazy technology. Yeah. Probably throwing a lot more science too,

1043
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: because that's that's your your stuff. They actually tell people

1044
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: where they can find you. Yeah, okay, check it out

1045
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1049
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1050
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1055
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