WEBVTT - Not Your Average Joe with Annaliese Puccini 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.960 Hell, I Suck It Dating with Dean Dared Haven and 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:11.120 I Heart Radio podcast. Hey, welcome to help I Suck 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.200 at Dating. I'm Jared, have Ben and yep, you guessed it. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:19.000 Joined by Dean Angler and guess what. We have the wonderful, amazing, 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.000 beautiful analyze. Back to co host with us Puccini analyst Puccini, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:24.759 I know how to say your last name. I'm smile, 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.760 I'm smart. We also have a very wonderful guest joining 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.600 us from the brand new Joe Millionaire for Richer or 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.960 Poorer or for poorer excuse me? That is on Thursdays 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.320 on Fox. It is Kurt sours Kurt. And first of all, 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.640 that I said your last name right? Did the first 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.800 time in the history of this podcast. I swear to 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.680 got on so baddle last names. It's embarrassing. Uh, Kurt, 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.040 how are you doing? Buddy? Welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.680 great man, happy to be here. Thanks for having me so. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:53.640 Uh you said that you had a long day at work. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.880 You are a CEO in construction. Uh. So, first of all, 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.360 tell us how how did you get on Joe mill Millionaire? 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:05.400 M Uh it was completely random and last minute, so 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.320 it's funny. To Actually, Steve and I talked about this yesterday. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.839 I'll speak for Steven since he's not here to talk 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:16.559 all things Joe Millionaire. But so they found him about 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.400 a year before filming. He was the first guy they interviewed. Um, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.720 he was the obviously really rich one. I was the 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.880 last man they interviewed, literally the very last. Um. They 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:32.160 found me, uh, four or five weeks before filming started. Yeah, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.080 they slid my d M s and I didn't have 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.160 any social media presence at all. I think I had 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:40.559 about followers on Instagram, no Facebook, no Twitter. Um slid 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.120 my DM said they liked my look. Um, they could 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:44.960 tell I was in construction and wanted to know a 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.920 little bit more about that. Um. Within a couple of conversations, 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.520 I was out in l a um interviewing with Fox. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.960 So it was all through a d M slide. Yeah, 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.120 all through a DM slide. That's great. You know, DM 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.040 slides get a really bad rip. But I think a 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.720 lot of good can come from him, clearly. So I 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.800 mean all I've really heard. I'm not a big like 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.520 reality TV fan, but my girlfriend is obsessed and she 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.440 will not stop talking about Joe Millionaire. Uh yeah, you 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.000 know I don't know if you know this, but the 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.720 three of us at least are from the Bachelor franchise. So, uh, 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.839 I remember seeing Jared's face at some point. Uh deean, 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.960 when were you on? I was on like four or 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.760 five years ago. I was on Rachel season and then uh, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.480 I was the guy that lived in a van on 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.200 the Last Bachelor in Paradise. I was kind of I 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.680 kind of like created my own for richer for poorer. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:37.519 I was like the poor. Um. But she's obsessed with 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.240 Joe Millionaire. She talks about it all the time. She 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.440 thinks it's better leaps and bounds in the Bachelor Is nowadays. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.959 Um So, how does it feel to be like part 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.040 of I guess like this resurgence of Joe Millionaire. Yeah, 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.560 it was really cool. Um. Honestly, it's it's so ironic 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.320 that I'm even on television. I U I would full 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:55.959 hit me a couple of years ago, removed the TV 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.280 out of my living room. I don't even watch that 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:03.360 much television at all. Um. So it's so funny that I, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.240 even you know, was said yes to this opportunity because 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.400 it was kind of uncharacteristic for me. Um. But it 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.200 does feel very cool. And I think the reason why 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.760 I did say yes to it was the production company 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.160 that was behind it were not Five Productions. Um, Sally 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.400 Anne is a queen and she you know, I just 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.200 got really good um feelings of her when I went 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:26.680 out and at her in l A. And we had 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.280 to sit down, and you know, I gave her a 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.480 lot of a lot of trust. So I took a 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.280 leap of faith and I'm glad I did. That's awesome 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.280 that you know Sally because I follow her on Twitter 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.040 and I am a huge Jersey Shore fan, so I 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.560 know four nine five Productions very well because they also 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.520 produced Jersey Shore. So they're just killing the game. Yeah, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.880 very nice. Well, I think that you probably hit the 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.040 home run with them too, or like I guess they 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.120 hit the home run with you because you know, like 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:52.880 you said, you take the TV out of your room. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.839 It's kind of more like the blue collar that they're 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.600 looking for, but you're still successful in your own right. So, Um, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.840 what was it like like your first filming then? Like 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.160 I I kind of watched a couple of minutes of 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:04.720 the show. Like I said, my girlfriend watches it all 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.920 the time, so I'm like semi aware of what's going on. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:11.480 But you met uh, I guess the other guy on 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.720 the show, and then Steven right, and then you're just 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.960 like became best buds. And then you go out and 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:17.680 you date these thirty women and figure out who wants 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.240 to like who and all that kind of stuff. Right, yeah, yes, 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.720 so um, the first couple of nights, I was so stiff, 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.440 very awkward. I'm kind of an awkward person anyhow, so 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.520 it took me a little bit to set away in Um. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.920 Fortunately though, Stephen Um, this guy was built for this. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.359 I mean he literally is. He's great for radio and 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.320 television and everything. I Mean, the guy's just so quick witted. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.760 He's always on his toes. He always has that like 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.760 presentation voice and face. So um, it was great having 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.200 him there because he carried a lot of the load, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.960 especially those first couple of days. Um uh. And then 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.719 us kind of bonding was that was legit, that was real, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.320 and that was something that the producers were nervous about, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.080 and they shared that with me out in l A 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.480 Companies before filming. They you know, we're very nervous about 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.000 the pairing of the two guys. And I think that's 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.719 I think that's why I fit into the puzzle, Um 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.640 when I did because they had another gentleman, and I 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.560 think when they stumbled upon me, they thought, oh, shoot, 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.800 this guy, would you know a company? Stephen a lot better. 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.120 So you guys also have very similar like stats, so 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.920 I know, going in, it sort of keeps the I 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:29.800 don't know if the other guys were similar stats too, 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.760 but it really keeps it like a question mark of 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.640 who is the more wealthy because you're like, okay, well 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.880 they're both sort of what do you mean what do 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:43.640 you mean by stats? Like like similar type of jobs, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.479 sort of like a similar I would say, maybe a 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.320 similar type and like looks like you're the same height ish, 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.040 you know, but also just in your upbringing, like watching 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.720 the episodes how you went to school, how you're raised, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.160 like things like that. I think it keeps it not 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.120 like one of you is from a big city and 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.760 the other one is from some small little town. You're 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.839 you're very similar. It seems like you're very different but 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.080 very similar in some of your like you're just on 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.520 paper like stats, you know what I mean? Yeah, I 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.240 can agree with that. I think um from a yes, 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.320 a background as far as work and kind of the 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.560 lives we built for ourselves. Absolutely. We we are very 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.400 blue collar. Um. You know, I've never put on like 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.480 catties or a suit for a job. I mean, I've 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.000 been in construction most of my adult life and then 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.040 even all through college, I worked as a handyman. Um. Uh. 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.200 Stephen as well. You know, he was a farmer, rancher 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.520 and he he actually he legit was running the farm 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.360 before he stepped into the CEO position, So you know, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.760 he he is a hard worker and he I mean 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.479 he's probably even harder worker now that he's in a 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.760 more professional side of it. But I mean he was 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.719 a rancher for for a good while, so he was 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.839 working with his hands. And um, you know, they've got 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.160 multiple other companies, have a construction company. They got to 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.560 Undergod utility company. H They've got some car washes that 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.080 they just new franchise at their starting that they're blowing 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.760 up over the East coast right now. So they are 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.200 they are the real deal. Busy guy, I want to 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:12.880 go back, grow quickly to what you were saying earlier 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.680 about you guys becoming friends so that the production company 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.560 wanted you guys to get along, right. There wasn't any 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.800 like desire for you guys to like have any animosity 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.240 towards each other. No, that was they wanted us to 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.320 get along, They wanted a camaraderie. They wanted uh so 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.920 Sally and her vision was she said the problem when 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:31.560 she did the batchelor back in the day. She the 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.800 first couple of seasons, she said that the best conversations 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.960 that would happen we're always between the bachelor and then 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.119 maybe a male producer, but they could never get those 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.360 on camera, right, So she was trying to find the 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.360 dynamic where you get those conversations and they could put 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.880 him on camera. So I think that's what she wanted. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.880 The two supporting roles. Well, I'll tell you what, from 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.080 my personal experience, this doesn't even hold the candles to 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.400 what you're going through at Joe Millionaire. But when I 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:01.640 host this podcast alone, I am is doable. When Jared's 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.920 here to host this podcast with me, it is so 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.480 much better for so many reasons. And I think it's 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:08.760 just so nice to like you have to have that 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.160 like outlet or like resource there for you to like 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.760 just talk to and unload on and uh you know, 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.120 bounce ideas off of all that kind of stuff I 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.200 really like from a viewer standpoint to, like, I love 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:23.080 just seeing because you guys obviously are going through this together, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.000 and so talking to a producer, I feel like sometimes 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.160 you are giving a little bit of a you know, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.880 being also in a role of like speaking to producers 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.240 versus speaking to other castmates. You're going to speak to 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.720 them a little bit differently, but like it's nice to 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.680 have somebody who's like in the same role with you 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.640 that you can relate to and like bounce ideas off 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:45.000 of and kind of like have that. Yeah, I think 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.320 I I'm I'm watching it and I'm like, I'm really enjoying. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.559 I agree with Kayalin Dean because I'm like, man, even 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.480 their beds look more like And I also I feel 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.040 like it's sort of it's like the combination of The 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.160 Bachelor and back Let in Paradise together. So I don't 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.160 know how familiar you are with like the spinoff of 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.199 Bachelor Paradise, but but like in Bachelor in Paradise, it's 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.840 like almost equal part girls and guys, and so you're 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.960 like hanging out, you're living together, um and just watching 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.560 Joe Millionaire. Now you still have that like separation, but 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.080 you're like, you know, like you come down and bring 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.839 the girls cookies or like you do different things where 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.640 it's a little bit more spontaneous. It seems like you 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.400 can actually get to know people, um like on on 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.560 Bachelor Paradise. Personally, I feel like you get to know 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:39.360 people a lot better because you have more att Yeah, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.400 and I also feel like the way that they structure 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.120 and I don't know if this changes throughout this season, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.480 but the way that its structures, like one on one 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.760 dates and things like that, it kind of gives maybe 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.880 people that you wouldn't have put in the position of 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.680 a one on one date to like get a one 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.160 on one date. M they do it sort of and again, 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.400 like I don't know if this is going to change 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.480 throughout the season, but um, for for Dean and Jared, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.040 like they kind of do it in a competition staff 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.120 so it's like if somebody wins something, maybe they're the 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.640 one that gets the one on one date. So maybe 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:08.920 it's like somebody who's like like low on your list, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.000 but then you actually get to know them more, which 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.440 I think is such a cool thing. Yeah, honestly, it 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.800 could have been you know, it could have been even 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.720 longer we didn't get to know some of these women 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.160 as um. You know, I wish I would have because 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.240 you know, this is the nature of this this game 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.400 or this experiment. Um. You know, you're speed dating these women. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.959 People aren't always the best at presenting who they are, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.679 and there's initial interactions. So it was tough, you know. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.760 And now looking back on some of the show, I'm 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.199 seeing some qualities about women that I didn't see when 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.560 or when we're filming or during the show. Um, And 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.280 I'm seeing some qualities that I that I really like 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.360 or some qualities that that I don't like. So it 0:10:48.480 --> 0:11:02.800 is interesting watching back in this perspective. What was it 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.240 like going from a guy that purposefully trying to disconnect himself, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:07.560 like he said, you took your TV out of your 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.440 living room, so then uh, trying to build a romantic 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.040 connection kissing girls like with cameras all around you, Pruce 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:14.719 is all around you. What was that like? Transition? Like 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.800 I think you can tell from the show, And it 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.600 was very stressful for me, to be honest, and you 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:26.560 know that whole the whole thing, the whole ordeal was 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.320 stressful on me. And then I'm running a company back 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.360 home and trying to manage that, and unfortunately they allowed 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.520 Steve and I both to work for two hours every morning. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.040 So from six am to eight am, we get our 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.079 phones with your computers and we crunched out as much 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.600 work as we could, and then from like eight to 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.679 eight thirty would get a quick thirty minute workout and 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.080 then you know we'd be in the chair by nine 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:51.360 am doing interviews. So um, the structure of the day 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.319 was very very um Bridge in long we were always 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.040 busy doing something uh. And then we both had all 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.679 those external stressors that were still dealing with call um. 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.920 So how did your like clientele or like co workers 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.720 or employees react to you be on the show? So 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.560 I I I sat down everybody I was contracted with 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.719 at the time, all my clients, and because it came 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.160 at me so quick and s I just was honest about, Hey, look, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.040 I got this opportunity. I don't even know if I'm 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.240 gonna take it yet, but if I do, you know, 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.360 how do you guys feel about it? Um? And luckily 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.560 all my clients were, We're super chill about it. I mean, honestly, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:32.360 the one I'm doing a historic renovation UM for some 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.600 clients in mine, and they were they kind of pushed 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.000 me to do it. They're like, don't let us hold 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.960 your back. And unfortunately, I just hired a superintendent to 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.360 cover the field for me, So you know, I had 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.400 I left some people behind um to take to manage 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:45.960 to work for me while I was gone. But it 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.200 was still, you know, to step away from a business. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.160 And I just started my business, not not even two 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.760 years ago, so I've on't even in business for myself 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.120 not that long. I had to take the scales out 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.600 and you know, way the pros and the columns, I 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.160 think I think you made the right choice. I think 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:03.439 there's gonna be a lot of new business to be 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.320 dumped up after the back too, for sure, a thousand percent. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.840 So was there ever a point where you and Steve 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.280 were interested in the same girl? Yeah, I mean without 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:19.440 spoiling anything, you know, I mean we I grew up 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.319 in a big family brother so used to share it, 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:27.920 so it wasn't that big. Did you ever feel like 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.280 because you weren't the millionaire and I'm sure you do 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.480 well for yourself, but like when I went on the Bachelorette, 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.960 I made like I was making like forty five tho 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.480 dollars fifty dollars a year, and I'm surrounded by all 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.200 these dudes who are I feel like, taller than me, 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.880 better looking than me, and more successful than me. I remember, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.480 like one guy one morning, He's like, oh, I had 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.720 to he had to like transfer seventy dollars in his 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.640 bank account towards his company. And I was like, holyh 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.920 Like you have that much money in your bank account. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.680 I was like, why would this woman ever want to 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.960 be with men? Did you ever get that insecurity? Because 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:10.240 I got it all the time. Um. You know, I 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.040 think I'm a little different than most men. So I 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.880 checked my pride at the door, uh many years ago, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.559 and uh, I'm happy for the life I've built for 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.240 myself and the success I've created for myself. So um no, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.600 I I I'm not really intimidated five men like Stephen, 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.080 but you know, I'm rather inspired by them and I 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.240 want to learn from them. And that's exactly what I 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.560 used this experience to do. I mean, the whole time 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.600 we're up at the guesthouse, we were just talking shop 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.400 in business and and to your point, there was one 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.840 moment I was bitching about losing a bunch of money 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:42.840 on a crypto a bunch of money. To me, I 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.040 lost like four grand and he he goes dude and 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.320 shows me his he lost like a couple of hundred thousand. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.520 Oh my god. And I was like, all right, well, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.280 you know, it could be worse. It could be worse. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.160 Jared to your point too. I know you've talked about 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.600 this before, but same with me. I had like forty 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.400 dollars in my checking account, Like, man, why would anyone 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.600 ever want to choose me over this doctor or lawyer? 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.080 You know? And she only ever knew. Yeah, alright, Kurt, 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:09.600 So we see you kind of had like an instant 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.040 attraction to Carolyn. Right, what was it? What was it 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.080 about her that kind of set out to you the most? 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.240 It was it was just an energy. I don't know. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.880 I looked at her aesthetically. She is, you know, the 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.560 type of woman that typically I'm into, you know, doctor 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:29.000 darcer skid brunette, and uh so there is that, you know, 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.880 initial attraction, but there was just this honestly, this this 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.280 energy between us and I mean, that was real. We 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.000 couldn't stop looking at each other, and everybody felt it. Yeah, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.520 So I guess we can kind of look forward to 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.160 seeing that unfold a little bit more as the season 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:47.440 goes on. Yeah, the relationship is starting to sour. It's 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.160 always interesting. The ones that seemed to spark right away 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.320 also tend to to die out just as quick. Sometimes 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.000 that quick flame, but it is like that chemistry thing 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.120 is so I mean you can feel it through the screen. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.080 Like watching I'm like, oh my god, I was attracted 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.240 to her, like just the way but like it like 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.560 it's a light around her. But it is so interesting 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.520 once you start to get to know people more, and 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.200 you know, as like things unfold, people get more comfortable 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:17.240 or comfortable, like how quickly dynamics can change under the 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:21.000 pressure cooker environment. Absolutely, it is a pressure cooker. That's 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.200 that's it. And um, you know it's it's so messed up, 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.480 like this is it. This is not right in the 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.720 world right, but on Joe Million or The Bachelor, it's 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.240 it's right. So I think everybody realized that when they're 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.480 there and they're trying to deal with this, you know, 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.400 this is not right dating you know, ten women at 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.480 the same time or for me, I mean really, I 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.400 was only trying to date. A lot of the women 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.600 get mad at you because in the producers were too, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.760 because I wasn't initiating conversations with other women. I wasn't 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.760 pulling other women away because you know, having two or 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.960 three was enough for me. And they're like, no, you 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.080 have to date everybody, like this shows you to flop 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:01.000 if you don't go date everybody. Um, it's kind of 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:06.280 right watching it because coming from the Bachelor World, watching 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:10.320 you struggle through that and be like and then there 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:14.840 was that conversation between Caroline and forget about her name 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:19.720 Amanda Amanda, and and these two girls are talking about like, well, 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.200 I know that you kind of like him, and I 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.399 already kissed him, and so maybe I'll back off. I'm like, 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.200 oh my god, this would never happen, like just because 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.240 your friends with somebody in the back of the world. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.000 It's like, if I want this or if I'm curious, 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.360 I'm going for it. You know you have to have that. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.520 I know, well, we didn't know why. I don't think 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.719 any of us knew, you know, really what we were 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.719 getting ourselves. And do somebody I saw a tweet other day. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.560 It was really funny. I said, it feels as I'm 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.960 paraphrasing here, It's like it feels as the whole cast 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.000 with Joe Millionaire has never watched reality heating before, and 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.600 I said, that is remarkably accurate, Like literally none of 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.320 us have. Did you watch the original Joe Millionaire just 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.480 to like see what it was all about? We didn't 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.879 even know Joe Milliar? Do we got there? Yeah? They lied. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.040 They said it was love for real. And the premise 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:08.240 was it was the whole cast was entrepreneurs and that 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.199 money has always gotten the way of relationships. So they 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.800 were gonna put to entrepreneurs, one really wealthy, one not, 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.040 and then a bunch of women of entrepreneurs and see 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.280 what happens. And that was pretty much all they gave 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.280 us to get us down there, which is like basically 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.360 close enough. I guess that you're just have her name? 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:29.960 Yeah pretty much? Yeah? Yeah? Interesting? Okay, Uh? What was it? 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.719 Was it hard to keeping a secret the entire time 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.000 because whenever I think of that stuff, like I think, 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.000 once you get to a certain point, the girls stopped 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.320 caring as much. But I would say, like the first night, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.600 it's probably friend of mine, like which one is the 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.000 super wealthy one and which one isn't? Right? Was it 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.280 always difficult to kind of keep that secret or did 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.439 it kind of fade away like and and and became 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.320 just second nature at one point. I think it was 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.240 it was more difficult for Stephen, you know, Um, it 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.080 was hard for him not to talk about all the 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.280 businesses and and he recently had he started a like 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.679 a meat snack company which is doing really well, and 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.600 I know he's really proud of that. And then he, um, 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.240 just this past year it started macbe coffee and car wash, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:10.840 or maybe two years ago, but they're just really now expanding. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.880 So he had a lot a lot of stuff going on, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.199 new stuff going on that I'm sure he wanted to 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.000 talk about, and he couldn't because that'd be a dead giveaway, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.200 you know. So I think it was definitely more hard 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.920 for him. For me, you know, I don't know, women 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.040 stopped prying into me, And maybe I was just good 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.480 at deflecting. That's probably what it was. But I definitely 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.720 could imagine for him, like, you know, his companies are 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.160 such a big part of his life and then he's 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.960 just like not allowed to really talk about them too much. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.359 That's got to be pretty challenging for sure. For sure, 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.119 for sure. I mean, yeah, it's not that he identifies 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.280