Speaker 1: Hell, I Suck It Dating with Dean Dared Haven and
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Speaker 1: at Dating. I'm Jared, have Ben and yep, you guessed it.
Speaker 1: Joined by Dean Angler and guess what. We have the wonderful, amazing,
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Speaker 1: I know how to say your last name. I'm smile,
Speaker 1: I'm smart. We also have a very wonderful guest joining
Speaker 1: us from the brand new Joe Millionaire for Richer or
Speaker 1: Poorer or for poorer excuse me? That is on Thursdays
Speaker 1: on Fox. It is Kurt sours Kurt. And first of all,
Speaker 1: that I said your last name right? Did the first
Speaker 1: time in the history of this podcast. I swear to
Speaker 1: got on so baddle last names. It's embarrassing. Uh, Kurt,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Buddy? Welcome to the podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: great man, happy to be here. Thanks for having me so.
Speaker 1: Uh you said that you had a long day at work.
Speaker 1: You are a CEO in construction. Uh. So, first of all,
Speaker 1: tell us how how did you get on Joe mill Millionaire?
Speaker 1: M Uh it was completely random and last minute, so
Speaker 1: it's funny. To Actually, Steve and I talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'll speak for Steven since he's not here to talk
Speaker 1: all things Joe Millionaire. But so they found him about
Speaker 1: a year before filming. He was the first guy they interviewed. Um,
Speaker 1: he was the obviously really rich one. I was the
Speaker 1: last man they interviewed, literally the very last. Um. They
Speaker 1: found me, uh, four or five weeks before filming started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they slid my d M s and I didn't have
Speaker 1: any social media presence at all. I think I had
Speaker 1: about followers on Instagram, no Facebook, no Twitter. Um slid
Speaker 1: my DM said they liked my look. Um, they could
Speaker 1: tell I was in construction and wanted to know a
Speaker 1: little bit more about that. Um. Within a couple of conversations,
Speaker 1: I was out in l a um interviewing with Fox.
Speaker 1: So it was all through a d M slide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all through a DM slide. That's great. You know, DM
Speaker 1: slides get a really bad rip. But I think a
Speaker 1: lot of good can come from him, clearly. So I
Speaker 1: mean all I've really heard. I'm not a big like
Speaker 1: reality TV fan, but my girlfriend is obsessed and she
Speaker 1: will not stop talking about Joe Millionaire. Uh yeah, you
Speaker 1: know I don't know if you know this, but the
Speaker 1: three of us at least are from the Bachelor franchise. So, uh,
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Jared's face at some point. Uh deean,
Speaker 1: when were you on? I was on like four or
Speaker 1: five years ago. I was on Rachel season and then uh,
Speaker 1: I was the guy that lived in a van on
Speaker 1: the Last Bachelor in Paradise. I was kind of I
Speaker 1: kind of like created my own for richer for poorer.
Speaker 1: I was like the poor. Um. But she's obsessed with
Speaker 1: Joe Millionaire. She talks about it all the time. She
Speaker 1: thinks it's better leaps and bounds in the Bachelor Is nowadays.
Speaker 1: Um So, how does it feel to be like part
Speaker 1: of I guess like this resurgence of Joe Millionaire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really cool. Um. Honestly, it's it's so ironic
Speaker 1: that I'm even on television. I U I would full
Speaker 1: hit me a couple of years ago, removed the TV
Speaker 1: out of my living room. I don't even watch that
Speaker 1: much television at all. Um. So it's so funny that I,
Speaker 1: even you know, was said yes to this opportunity because
Speaker 1: it was kind of uncharacteristic for me. Um. But it
Speaker 1: does feel very cool. And I think the reason why
Speaker 1: I did say yes to it was the production company
Speaker 1: that was behind it were not Five Productions. Um, Sally
Speaker 1: Anne is a queen and she you know, I just
Speaker 1: got really good um feelings of her when I went
Speaker 1: out and at her in l A. And we had
Speaker 1: to sit down, and you know, I gave her a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of trust. So I took a
Speaker 1: leap of faith and I'm glad I did. That's awesome
Speaker 1: that you know Sally because I follow her on Twitter
Speaker 1: and I am a huge Jersey Shore fan, so I
Speaker 1: know four nine five Productions very well because they also
Speaker 1: produced Jersey Shore. So they're just killing the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very nice. Well, I think that you probably hit the
Speaker 1: home run with them too, or like I guess they
Speaker 1: hit the home run with you because you know, like
Speaker 1: you said, you take the TV out of your room.
Speaker 1: It's kind of more like the blue collar that they're
Speaker 1: looking for, but you're still successful in your own right. So, Um,
Speaker 1: what was it like like your first filming then? Like
Speaker 1: I I kind of watched a couple of minutes of
Speaker 1: the show. Like I said, my girlfriend watches it all
Speaker 1: the time, so I'm like semi aware of what's going on.
Speaker 1: But you met uh, I guess the other guy on
Speaker 1: the show, and then Steven right, and then you're just
Speaker 1: like became best buds. And then you go out and
Speaker 1: you date these thirty women and figure out who wants
Speaker 1: to like who and all that kind of stuff. Right, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: so um, the first couple of nights, I was so stiff,
Speaker 1: very awkward. I'm kind of an awkward person anyhow, so
Speaker 1: it took me a little bit to set away in Um.
Speaker 1: Fortunately though, Stephen Um, this guy was built for this.
Speaker 1: I mean he literally is. He's great for radio and
Speaker 1: television and everything. I Mean, the guy's just so quick witted.
Speaker 1: He's always on his toes. He always has that like
Speaker 1: presentation voice and face. So um, it was great having
Speaker 1: him there because he carried a lot of the load,
Speaker 1: especially those first couple of days. Um uh. And then
Speaker 1: us kind of bonding was that was legit, that was real,
Speaker 1: and that was something that the producers were nervous about,
Speaker 1: and they shared that with me out in l A
Speaker 1: Companies before filming. They you know, we're very nervous about
Speaker 1: the pairing of the two guys. And I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's why I fit into the puzzle, Um
Speaker 1: when I did because they had another gentleman, and I
Speaker 1: think when they stumbled upon me, they thought, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: this guy, would you know a company? Stephen a lot better.
Speaker 1: So you guys also have very similar like stats, so
Speaker 1: I know, going in, it sort of keeps the I
Speaker 1: don't know if the other guys were similar stats too,
Speaker 1: but it really keeps it like a question mark of
Speaker 1: who is the more wealthy because you're like, okay, well
Speaker 1: they're both sort of what do you mean what do
Speaker 1: you mean by stats? Like like similar type of jobs,
Speaker 1: sort of like a similar I would say, maybe a
Speaker 1: similar type and like looks like you're the same height ish,
Speaker 1: you know, but also just in your upbringing, like watching
Speaker 1: the episodes how you went to school, how you're raised,
Speaker 1: like things like that. I think it keeps it not
Speaker 1: like one of you is from a big city and
Speaker 1: the other one is from some small little town. You're
Speaker 1: you're very similar. It seems like you're very different but
Speaker 1: very similar in some of your like you're just on
Speaker 1: paper like stats, you know what I mean? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can agree with that. I think um from a yes,
Speaker 1: a background as far as work and kind of the
Speaker 1: lives we built for ourselves. Absolutely. We we are very
Speaker 1: blue collar. Um. You know, I've never put on like
Speaker 1: catties or a suit for a job. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: been in construction most of my adult life and then
Speaker 1: even all through college, I worked as a handyman. Um. Uh.
Speaker 1: Stephen as well. You know, he was a farmer, rancher
Speaker 1: and he he actually he legit was running the farm
Speaker 1: before he stepped into the CEO position, So you know,
Speaker 1: he he is a hard worker and he I mean
Speaker 1: he's probably even harder worker now that he's in a
Speaker 1: more professional side of it. But I mean he was
Speaker 1: a rancher for for a good while, so he was
Speaker 1: working with his hands. And um, you know, they've got
Speaker 1: multiple other companies, have a construction company. They got to
Speaker 1: Undergod utility company. H They've got some car washes that
Speaker 1: they just new franchise at their starting that they're blowing
Speaker 1: up over the East coast right now. So they are
Speaker 1: they are the real deal. Busy guy, I want to
Speaker 1: go back, grow quickly to what you were saying earlier
Speaker 1: about you guys becoming friends so that the production company
Speaker 1: wanted you guys to get along, right. There wasn't any
Speaker 1: like desire for you guys to like have any animosity
Speaker 1: towards each other. No, that was they wanted us to
Speaker 1: get along, They wanted a camaraderie. They wanted uh so
Speaker 1: Sally and her vision was she said the problem when
Speaker 1: she did the batchelor back in the day. She the
Speaker 1: first couple of seasons, she said that the best conversations
Speaker 1: that would happen we're always between the bachelor and then
Speaker 1: maybe a male producer, but they could never get those
Speaker 1: on camera, right, So she was trying to find the
Speaker 1: dynamic where you get those conversations and they could put
Speaker 1: him on camera. So I think that's what she wanted.
Speaker 1: The two supporting roles. Well, I'll tell you what, from
Speaker 1: my personal experience, this doesn't even hold the candles to
Speaker 1: what you're going through at Joe Millionaire. But when I
Speaker 1: host this podcast alone, I am is doable. When Jared's
Speaker 1: here to host this podcast with me, it is so
Speaker 1: much better for so many reasons. And I think it's
Speaker 1: just so nice to like you have to have that
Speaker 1: like outlet or like resource there for you to like
Speaker 1: just talk to and unload on and uh you know,
Speaker 1: bounce ideas off of all that kind of stuff I
Speaker 1: really like from a viewer standpoint to, like, I love
Speaker 1: just seeing because you guys obviously are going through this together,
Speaker 1: and so talking to a producer, I feel like sometimes
Speaker 1: you are giving a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: being also in a role of like speaking to producers
Speaker 1: versus speaking to other castmates. You're going to speak to
Speaker 1: them a little bit differently, but like it's nice to
Speaker 1: have somebody who's like in the same role with you
Speaker 1: that you can relate to and like bounce ideas off
Speaker 1: of and kind of like have that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm watching it and I'm like, I'm really enjoying.
Speaker 1: I agree with Kayalin Dean because I'm like, man, even
Speaker 1: their beds look more like And I also I feel
Speaker 1: like it's sort of it's like the combination of The
Speaker 1: Bachelor and back Let in Paradise together. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how familiar you are with like the spinoff of
Speaker 1: Bachelor Paradise, but but like in Bachelor in Paradise, it's
Speaker 1: like almost equal part girls and guys, and so you're
Speaker 1: like hanging out, you're living together, um and just watching
Speaker 1: Joe Millionaire. Now you still have that like separation, but
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, like you come down and bring
Speaker 1: the girls cookies or like you do different things where
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more spontaneous. It seems like you
Speaker 1: can actually get to know people, um like on on
Speaker 1: Bachelor Paradise. Personally, I feel like you get to know
Speaker 1: people a lot better because you have more att Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I also feel like the way that they structure
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this changes throughout this season,
Speaker 1: but the way that its structures, like one on one
Speaker 1: dates and things like that, it kind of gives maybe
Speaker 1: people that you wouldn't have put in the position of
Speaker 1: a one on one date to like get a one
Speaker 1: on one date. M they do it sort of and again,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if this is going to change
Speaker 1: throughout the season, but um, for for Dean and Jared,
Speaker 1: like they kind of do it in a competition staff
Speaker 1: so it's like if somebody wins something, maybe they're the
Speaker 1: one that gets the one on one date. So maybe
Speaker 1: it's like somebody who's like like low on your list,
Speaker 1: but then you actually get to know them more, which
Speaker 1: I think is such a cool thing. Yeah, honestly, it
Speaker 1: could have been you know, it could have been even
Speaker 1: longer we didn't get to know some of these women
Speaker 1: as um. You know, I wish I would have because
Speaker 1: you know, this is the nature of this this game
Speaker 1: or this experiment. Um. You know, you're speed dating these women.
Speaker 1: People aren't always the best at presenting who they are,
Speaker 1: and there's initial interactions. So it was tough, you know.
Speaker 1: And now looking back on some of the show, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing some qualities about women that I didn't see when
Speaker 1: or when we're filming or during the show. Um, And
Speaker 1: I'm seeing some qualities that I that I really like
Speaker 1: or some qualities that that I don't like. So it
Speaker 1: is interesting watching back in this perspective. What was it
Speaker 1: like going from a guy that purposefully trying to disconnect himself,
Speaker 1: like he said, you took your TV out of your
Speaker 1: living room, so then uh, trying to build a romantic
Speaker 1: connection kissing girls like with cameras all around you, Pruce
Speaker 1: is all around you. What was that like? Transition? Like
Speaker 1: I think you can tell from the show, And it
Speaker 1: was very stressful for me, to be honest, and you
Speaker 1: know that whole the whole thing, the whole ordeal was
Speaker 1: stressful on me. And then I'm running a company back
Speaker 1: home and trying to manage that, and unfortunately they allowed
Speaker 1: Steve and I both to work for two hours every morning.
Speaker 1: So from six am to eight am, we get our
Speaker 1: phones with your computers and we crunched out as much
Speaker 1: work as we could, and then from like eight to
Speaker 1: eight thirty would get a quick thirty minute workout and
Speaker 1: then you know we'd be in the chair by nine
Speaker 1: am doing interviews. So um, the structure of the day
Speaker 1: was very very um Bridge in long we were always
Speaker 1: busy doing something uh. And then we both had all
Speaker 1: those external stressors that were still dealing with call um.
Speaker 1: So how did your like clientele or like co workers
Speaker 1: or employees react to you be on the show? So
Speaker 1: I I I sat down everybody I was contracted with
Speaker 1: at the time, all my clients, and because it came
Speaker 1: at me so quick and s I just was honest about, Hey, look,
Speaker 1: I got this opportunity. I don't even know if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take it yet, but if I do, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you guys feel about it? Um? And luckily
Speaker 1: all my clients were, We're super chill about it. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: the one I'm doing a historic renovation UM for some
Speaker 1: clients in mine, and they were they kind of pushed
Speaker 1: me to do it. They're like, don't let us hold
Speaker 1: your back. And unfortunately, I just hired a superintendent to
Speaker 1: cover the field for me, So you know, I had
Speaker 1: I left some people behind um to take to manage
Speaker 1: to work for me while I was gone. But it
Speaker 1: was still, you know, to step away from a business.
Speaker 1: And I just started my business, not not even two
Speaker 1: years ago, so I've on't even in business for myself
Speaker 1: not that long. I had to take the scales out
Speaker 1: and you know, way the pros and the columns, I
Speaker 1: think I think you made the right choice. I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of new business to be
Speaker 1: dumped up after the back too, for sure, a thousand percent.
Speaker 1: So was there ever a point where you and Steve
Speaker 1: were interested in the same girl? Yeah, I mean without
Speaker 1: spoiling anything, you know, I mean we I grew up
Speaker 1: in a big family brother so used to share it,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't that big. Did you ever feel like
Speaker 1: because you weren't the millionaire and I'm sure you do
Speaker 1: well for yourself, but like when I went on the Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: I made like I was making like forty five tho
Speaker 1: dollars fifty dollars a year, and I'm surrounded by all
Speaker 1: these dudes who are I feel like, taller than me,
Speaker 1: better looking than me, and more successful than me. I remember,
Speaker 1: like one guy one morning, He's like, oh, I had
Speaker 1: to he had to like transfer seventy dollars in his
Speaker 1: bank account towards his company. And I was like, holyh
Speaker 1: Like you have that much money in your bank account.
Speaker 1: I was like, why would this woman ever want to
Speaker 1: be with men? Did you ever get that insecurity? Because
Speaker 1: I got it all the time. Um. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I'm a little different than most men. So I
Speaker 1: checked my pride at the door, uh many years ago,
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm happy for the life I've built for
Speaker 1: myself and the success I've created for myself. So um no,
Speaker 1: I I I'm not really intimidated five men like Stephen,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm rather inspired by them and I
Speaker 1: want to learn from them. And that's exactly what I
Speaker 1: used this experience to do. I mean, the whole time
Speaker 1: we're up at the guesthouse, we were just talking shop
Speaker 1: in business and and to your point, there was one
Speaker 1: moment I was bitching about losing a bunch of money
Speaker 1: on a crypto a bunch of money. To me, I
Speaker 1: lost like four grand and he he goes dude and
Speaker 1: shows me his he lost like a couple of hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it could be worse. It could be worse.
Speaker 1: Jared to your point too. I know you've talked about
Speaker 1: this before, but same with me. I had like forty
Speaker 1: dollars in my checking account, Like, man, why would anyone
Speaker 1: ever want to choose me over this doctor or lawyer?
Speaker 1: You know? And she only ever knew. Yeah, alright, Kurt,
Speaker 1: So we see you kind of had like an instant
Speaker 1: attraction to Carolyn. Right, what was it? What was it
Speaker 1: about her that kind of set out to you the most?
Speaker 1: It was it was just an energy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I looked at her aesthetically. She is, you know, the
Speaker 1: type of woman that typically I'm into, you know, doctor
Speaker 1: darcer skid brunette, and uh so there is that, you know,
Speaker 1: initial attraction, but there was just this honestly, this this
Speaker 1: energy between us and I mean, that was real. We
Speaker 1: couldn't stop looking at each other, and everybody felt it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I guess we can kind of look forward to
Speaker 1: seeing that unfold a little bit more as the season
Speaker 1: goes on. Yeah, the relationship is starting to sour. It's
Speaker 1: always interesting. The ones that seemed to spark right away
Speaker 1: also tend to to die out just as quick. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that quick flame, but it is like that chemistry thing
Speaker 1: is so I mean you can feel it through the screen.
Speaker 1: Like watching I'm like, oh my god, I was attracted
Speaker 1: to her, like just the way but like it like
Speaker 1: it's a light around her. But it is so interesting
Speaker 1: once you start to get to know people more, and
Speaker 1: you know, as like things unfold, people get more comfortable
Speaker 1: or comfortable, like how quickly dynamics can change under the
Speaker 1: pressure cooker environment. Absolutely, it is a pressure cooker. That's
Speaker 1: that's it. And um, you know it's it's so messed up,
Speaker 1: like this is it. This is not right in the
Speaker 1: world right, but on Joe Million or The Bachelor, it's
Speaker 1: it's right. So I think everybody realized that when they're
Speaker 1: there and they're trying to deal with this, you know,
Speaker 1: this is not right dating you know, ten women at
Speaker 1: the same time or for me, I mean really, I
Speaker 1: was only trying to date. A lot of the women
Speaker 1: get mad at you because in the producers were too,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't initiating conversations with other women. I wasn't
Speaker 1: pulling other women away because you know, having two or
Speaker 1: three was enough for me. And they're like, no, you
Speaker 1: have to date everybody, like this shows you to flop
Speaker 1: if you don't go date everybody. Um, it's kind of
Speaker 1: right watching it because coming from the Bachelor World, watching
Speaker 1: you struggle through that and be like and then there
Speaker 1: was that conversation between Caroline and forget about her name
Speaker 1: Amanda Amanda, and and these two girls are talking about like, well,
Speaker 1: I know that you kind of like him, and I
Speaker 1: already kissed him, and so maybe I'll back off. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this would never happen, like just because
Speaker 1: your friends with somebody in the back of the world.
Speaker 1: It's like, if I want this or if I'm curious,
Speaker 1: I'm going for it. You know you have to have that.
Speaker 1: I know, well, we didn't know why. I don't think
Speaker 1: any of us knew, you know, really what we were
Speaker 1: getting ourselves. And do somebody I saw a tweet other day.
Speaker 1: It was really funny. I said, it feels as I'm
Speaker 1: paraphrasing here, It's like it feels as the whole cast
Speaker 1: with Joe Millionaire has never watched reality heating before, and
Speaker 1: I said, that is remarkably accurate, Like literally none of
Speaker 1: us have. Did you watch the original Joe Millionaire just
Speaker 1: to like see what it was all about? We didn't
Speaker 1: even know Joe Milliar? Do we got there? Yeah? They lied.
Speaker 1: They said it was love for real. And the premise
Speaker 1: was it was the whole cast was entrepreneurs and that
Speaker 1: money has always gotten the way of relationships. So they
Speaker 1: were gonna put to entrepreneurs, one really wealthy, one not,
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of women of entrepreneurs and see
Speaker 1: what happens. And that was pretty much all they gave
Speaker 1: us to get us down there, which is like basically
Speaker 1: close enough. I guess that you're just have her name?
Speaker 1: Yeah pretty much? Yeah? Yeah? Interesting? Okay, Uh? What was it?
Speaker 1: Was it hard to keeping a secret the entire time
Speaker 1: because whenever I think of that stuff, like I think,
Speaker 1: once you get to a certain point, the girls stopped
Speaker 1: caring as much. But I would say, like the first night,
Speaker 1: it's probably friend of mine, like which one is the
Speaker 1: super wealthy one and which one isn't? Right? Was it
Speaker 1: always difficult to kind of keep that secret or did
Speaker 1: it kind of fade away like and and and became
Speaker 1: just second nature at one point. I think it was
Speaker 1: it was more difficult for Stephen, you know, Um, it
Speaker 1: was hard for him not to talk about all the
Speaker 1: businesses and and he recently had he started a like
Speaker 1: a meat snack company which is doing really well, and
Speaker 1: I know he's really proud of that. And then he, um,
Speaker 1: just this past year it started macbe coffee and car wash,
Speaker 1: or maybe two years ago, but they're just really now expanding.
Speaker 1: So he had a lot a lot of stuff going on,
Speaker 1: new stuff going on that I'm sure he wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about, and he couldn't because that'd be a dead giveaway,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think it was definitely more hard
Speaker 1: for him. For me, you know, I don't know, women
Speaker 1: stopped prying into me, And maybe I was just good
Speaker 1: at deflecting. That's probably what it was. But I definitely
Speaker 1: could imagine for him, like, you know, his companies are
Speaker 1: such a big part of his life and then he's
Speaker 1: just like not allowed to really talk about them too much.
Speaker 1: That's got to be pretty challenging for sure. For sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, yeah, it's not that he identifies
Speaker 1: by him, but it's taking a lot of hard work
Speaker 1: and dedication to build these companies, So something to be
Speaker 1: proud of. Absolutely, all right, cart before we let you go,
Speaker 1: can you tease us anything that's gonna be happening on
Speaker 1: Joe Millionaire, Because it's not too often we get somebody
Speaker 1: who's currently in the show airing. Usually it's like they
Speaker 1: just drop all the episodes and then you know, we
Speaker 1: talked to him afterwards. But now it's like, what the
Speaker 1: hell is gonna happen? Honestly, Um, it's pretty dramatic. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what I can tease, but I
Speaker 1: can't tease, but yes, stay tuned. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna turn out the way you think, are you I
Speaker 1: gotta ask are you happy without it turned out? Um? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Overall it's it's a it's a net positive overall, okay,
Speaker 1: net positive, but with a little bit of skepticism involved.
Speaker 1: That sounds like kind of what I would expect um
Speaker 1: first time doing reality TV, obviously I would imagine, so
Speaker 1: like generally good things to come from it. I think
Speaker 1: it's definitely a good way to like say, generally net
Speaker 1: positive is a good thing because a lot of people
Speaker 1: that going around the TV end up saying no, it
Speaker 1: was a horrible experience. So it seems like you got
Speaker 1: a good head on your shoulders about it. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I think that this will be used in the right way. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, this is gonna give me a whole new
Speaker 1: access to a marketplace that I would have never had
Speaker 1: access to it before. Um. I think just the contacts alone,
Speaker 1: I mean, being brought on y'all show I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was a Jason Tarde show like two weeks ago. Nice. Um,
Speaker 1: just making these relationships already is beneficial. So right, it's
Speaker 1: all about the business and not about the romance obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's twine a little bit. Why not? Why not? Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Man, we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, my girlfriend has been glued to the
Speaker 1: TV watching Joe Millionaire. Um, I mean at this point
Speaker 1: I gotta start watching that too. Since now that we've met,
Speaker 1: I'm invested in your in your future as well, So
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Um, where can we like,
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, we we want to get more
Speaker 1: from just the show. Where can we follow you? Like
Speaker 1: on Instagram? Do you have a Twitter now? Like? Any
Speaker 1: of that's yeah, yeah, I've got Twitter, Twitter and Instagram
Speaker 1: are both start Underscore Kurt ku r T and uh,
Speaker 1: Steven's is His Instagram is just Stephen McBee and I
Speaker 1: think his Twitter is Stephen underscore mcbe. Nice man, you
Speaker 1: have follow us Fallow Joe mollon our show. Um, I
Speaker 1: am still not that active. I'm trying to be better,
Speaker 1: but hey, you're just learning, You're picking it up as
Speaker 1: you go. You're doing great. We're excited to follow along,
Speaker 1: pleasure to meet you. You seem like an awesome guy,
Speaker 1: so we're excited to see how the love story unfolds.
Speaker 1: And best of luck to you moving forward. Thanks Carl,
Speaker 1: thank thank you gentlemen and lady. Yeah, thanks, we'll talk
Speaker 1: all right, Well that's gonna do it. I think I
Speaker 1: do want to bring up something very very briefly that
Speaker 1: I looked up earlier because analyst this was well on
Speaker 1: a prior podcast, but you know, hey, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? It popped in my head. We were talking
Speaker 1: about your book and you were talking about how you
Speaker 1: started getting back into reading, and then I thought about
Speaker 1: how I had been on first dates before. And I'm
Speaker 1: not calling you a liar but I'm saying that I
Speaker 1: have definitely lied about the amount of books that I've read,
Speaker 1: and I have definitely lied on first dates about how
Speaker 1: much I read, because it's just an insecure I'm just
Speaker 1: an insecure human being. What can I say? Dean's nodding
Speaker 1: his head. So I looked up something and it said
Speaker 1: the ten most common lies that men tell women on
Speaker 1: a first date. Would you like to hear them very quickly? Yes.
Speaker 1: One his money situation, so don't be surprised if you
Speaker 1: eventually find out he doesn't have a huge salary, or
Speaker 1: that he's possibly in debt, which ties him all to
Speaker 1: the Joe Millionaire interview, which just made totally Uh. Number
Speaker 1: two his living situation. If he's living with his family
Speaker 1: or roommates, he may fear that the situation makes it
Speaker 1: appear as if he's not able to provide. Uh. I've
Speaker 1: definitely live. I remember there was a time where I
Speaker 1: moved back in my parents just for a couple months
Speaker 1: while I was in between places, and I definitely said
Speaker 1: that I was now living there. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: had a condo apartment somewhere else. Uh. Number three, this
Speaker 1: one's bullshit. If there's another woman well, if he's lying,
Speaker 1: if there's another woman, then he's already a jerk. Uh.
Speaker 1: Number four this, I've definitely lied about his fitness habits.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. Uh. Number five his last breakup. Perhaps
Speaker 1: he was a cheater or the one to blame in
Speaker 1: the last relationship, or maybe it's part of really broke
Speaker 1: his heart. I'm not sure if I've ever lied about this,
Speaker 1: but I know friends that have definitely lied. They're like
Speaker 1: explaining the situation to someone and I'm like, bro, that
Speaker 1: is not how I went down. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: call you out. But yeah, younger me, late teens me
Speaker 1: would lie about it, but I've since come around to
Speaker 1: the way of the truth. Uh. Number six has past
Speaker 1: if he's got a former addiction, perhaps cheated on the spouse,
Speaker 1: coming out clean about it, um. Oh. Seven, his job,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be an outright lie. But if
Speaker 1: he tells you he's a doctor and he's a janitor,
Speaker 1: that probably won't happened. But he might stretch to the
Speaker 1: truth slightly to make himself sound better. Yeah, I've definitely,
Speaker 1: I've definitely embellished like my responsibilities. Yeah. Eight his track
Speaker 1: record of commitment. Uh, unless he's a solid guy who
Speaker 1: sticks to monogamous relationships. He's going to avoid too much
Speaker 1: scrutiny of his track record. This is what we've talked
Speaker 1: about Dean about how guys have definitely lied about how
Speaker 1: many people they've been within the past nine his friends.
Speaker 1: He'll talk about his friends, but he won't mention if
Speaker 1: some of them are particularly troublesome. M hmm. I still
Speaker 1: don't know if I ever lied about that. Oh, have
Speaker 1: you lied about your friends? I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: truthful if I've ever had like bad friends, because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make me look great. Yeah, that's a good point. No, Um,
Speaker 1: Caitlin's just got an issue with some of my friends,
Speaker 1: not for any reason. She just knows that every time
Speaker 1: I go to hang out with them, we like drink
Speaker 1: too much beer and like play too much golf or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, So she that's all that
Speaker 1: I lie about it, But she definitely like doesn't love
Speaker 1: me hang out with them as much as I typically
Speaker 1: want to. And at least, have you ever dated a
Speaker 1: guy that you were like, I don't like you want
Speaker 1: I don't like you being friends with this person? Um,
Speaker 1: I can't think of like a specific one. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was somebody, but I can't remember sorr that. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's true. I don't think there's anybody that. Ashley is like,
Speaker 1: I don't want you hanging out with this person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't like stand out that I was ever like,
Speaker 1: I forbid you hanging out with this person. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not forbidden by the way. I just it's it's a
Speaker 1: sensitive subject. And number ten his real intentions, Well, that's obvious.
Speaker 1: I went out. So here's a story. I went out
Speaker 1: with this guy who stressed how he was very busy.
Speaker 1: I thought nothing of it. I'm a single parent. Well
Speaker 1: that changes the game. I'm also very busy. We made
Speaker 1: plans for a second day before we went out. He
Speaker 1: started to express he what he was looking for since
Speaker 1: he was busy. Oh, he did the whole I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to be in a relationship type thing. That's such.
Speaker 1: I don't buy. I don't ever really buy that with
Speaker 1: That's a different conversation for a different podcast. But I'm
Speaker 1: not a big buyer and I'm not ready for a relationship. Now,
Speaker 1: you're not ready for a relationship with that person, right,
Speaker 1: if you cared enough about someone or something. You would
Speaker 1: find way to make it work. And that's basically as
Speaker 1: simple as that. Um, I thought you were gonna make
Speaker 1: one of those. I know the reason you looked it
Speaker 1: up was because the reading habits thing. But I thought
Speaker 1: one of them would have been how often do you read?
Speaker 1: I thought that would be a number one lie because
Speaker 1: I was thinking about like what did I lie about
Speaker 1: on first dates or what did I embellished? And that
Speaker 1: would definitely be one of them. I still kind of
Speaker 1: I think a lot of myself about Hawfton I read.
Speaker 1: I used to read like a book a month, which
Speaker 1: I was like pretty proud of. Like I'm not a
Speaker 1: big reader. I hate reading, but I would like force
Speaker 1: myself to read one book a month. And I haven't
Speaker 1: read a full book in probably like two years. So
Speaker 1: I think I need to get back on that. Maybe
Speaker 1: already analystis to get back into it. Hell, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a It's you don't have to like finish it all
Speaker 1: at once. It's kind of the beauty of it. You
Speaker 1: can read a little bit, you can go and check
Speaker 1: out one poem if you're in a certain mood. I'm
Speaker 1: like a serious no, I don't like that I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's great. Don't don't get any wrong, But
Speaker 1: this is why I don't like it, because I've got
Speaker 1: a serial habit of starting things and not finishing them. Ever.
Speaker 1: I've got six projects going on in the house that
Speaker 1: I've maybe gotten up to sixty complete. I have like
Speaker 1: seven books that I'm like fifty pages into. It's like,
Speaker 1: why don't I just finish a book and then move
Speaker 1: on the next one. That's the thing all of mine
Speaker 1: is are there. It's like poem ms or or spoken word,
Speaker 1: which is like it's a little hard to relate sometimes
Speaker 1: onto the page, but m or it's like a little
Speaker 1: bit of backstory and interesting stories. So I feel like
Speaker 1: it is that it's the for the brains like you,
Speaker 1: like that's my brain. I have a really hard time
Speaker 1: for me. Like if I start reading a book, by
Speaker 1: the time i'm on chapter two, I have to start
Speaker 1: all over again. I have no idea what I read,
Speaker 1: Like that's just how my brain works. So I need
Speaker 1: like little snippets, little nuggets of the reading, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I feel like I did something. I
Speaker 1: feel accomplished, I learned something. Um reading is just yeah,
Speaker 1: I I really wish I did more reading. But I
Speaker 1: think something I realized in writing my book is how
Speaker 1: much it's also it's like the voice. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like um with Kurt saying that chemistry that he had
Speaker 1: with Carolyn, like it's it's sometimes you're just it's a
Speaker 1: certain somebody speaking directly to you, like it's some It's
Speaker 1: like that chemistry even with reading. And I had that
Speaker 1: happen last year with a book where it was the
Speaker 1: first book that I had read all the way straight
Speaker 1: through from front to back, and I think it was
Speaker 1: just because like the way that they spoke was the
Speaker 1: language I understood, and so UM, I think sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just like it's finding that that thing, that person, whatever
Speaker 1: that you connect to, that you relate to that makes
Speaker 1: you invested and want to have want to do more
Speaker 1: and like read more. But that doesn't That's really rare
Speaker 1: for me in relationships and books. I think I think
Speaker 1: there's a flaw on our education system because I think
Speaker 1: they don't do a good enough job of instilling um,
Speaker 1: reading things that you like reading as a kid, because
Speaker 1: you always read like textbooks and things that you dislike,
Speaker 1: and so you just grow this natural like disdain towards reading.
Speaker 1: Not everyone. Obviously, there's a lot of great readers out
Speaker 1: there and stuff. But I would say, like generally speaking,
Speaker 1: like the three of us, for instance, you know, none
Speaker 1: of us maybe for whatever reason, we don't like reading
Speaker 1: so much. But I read, you read, you read, I
Speaker 1: know you read menus, you read, I read tom reading magazines.
Speaker 1: I read ingredients for when I have to purchase pursudo
Speaker 1: duncans orders. Um. There's this one quote that I've shared
Speaker 1: on this podcast before, but I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: It's uh, he says, read what you love until you
Speaker 1: love to read. And I think that says a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, so like analyst to your point earlier, you
Speaker 1: were saying, you're reading that book that they spoke your language.
Speaker 1: You find enough of that stuff and you just read
Speaker 1: it and read and read it until eventually you just
Speaker 1: pick up the habit of reading often enough until you
Speaker 1: love to read. I think that's a good way to
Speaker 1: look at it. You have to find the things that
Speaker 1: you just like to read, Like I like to read. Um.
Speaker 1: I found that I really like to read stories about
Speaker 1: startup companies in Silicon Valley. That's very fascinating to me.
Speaker 1: I've read many books on that that is gonna do
Speaker 1: over this week's episode. It was a great episode. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys. Um if you had to have the chance
Speaker 1: to go back and listen to our first episode with
Speaker 1: Analyst co hosting with us that came out on January.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us. We really appreciate it. Analyst,
Speaker 1: Thank you for co hosting with us. Reading. You can
Speaker 1: say anything you want, take as much time, take as
Speaker 1: much time as you need. Thank you for having me
Speaker 1: first offer. And then also if you don't like reading,
Speaker 1: or if you do love reading, then please check out
Speaker 1: my book apn Written. That's it dropping undetermined in February. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's because there's there's a shipping short a cream paper
Speaker 1: shortage in North America, so shipping has changed. So that's
Speaker 1: the shortage of everything right now. It's shortage of everywhere.
Speaker 1: But that's why it's a little bit of a question mark.
Speaker 1: So I am sorry. But when I know, you guys
Speaker 1: will be the first to know. So if you're following
Speaker 1: me on my personal Instagram, uh Analyst p or ap
Speaker 1: Underscore Unwritten, you will be the first to know when
Speaker 1: it is available to buy. I love it. Keep the
Speaker 1: mystery alive. When will we get it? We're all waiting
Speaker 1: for it. It's like it's a random drop. It's going
Speaker 1: to happen one of these days. Keeping I feel like
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift feel like this is the kind of thing
Speaker 1: she doesn't gonna start dropping hints on when it's going
Speaker 1: to be available. Yes, well, we'll definitely keep our eyes peeled.
Speaker 1: APN written do in February sometime. We can't wait to
Speaker 1: read it. Follow help by suck at Dating on I
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