1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants of 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: pill poppers in the penthouse. The Clearinghouse of hot takes 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now, nine in the air everywhere, a 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: brand spanking new edition The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: and Danny g Radio back at it again. The weekend 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: is here and if you smell the air, that's not 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: a flash lens. That is football. It is right around 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: the corner. And I thought, what better way to get 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: us set up for the upcoming NFL and college football season? 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: Then chat with the man, the myth, the legend, Charles Davis. 15 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: Now Charles Davis has been a broadcaster for many, many years. 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: In fact, I would argue over the last twenty years 17 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: he is called most of the big college football games. 18 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: I know when he was at Fox he did so 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: many of them. He is now one of the top 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: broadcasters at CBS on their NFL coverage, but he still 21 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: dabbles in college football Charles is one of the hardest 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: working broadcasters. He did not play in the NFL. It's 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: an interesting story. He was a good player at Tennessee 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: back in the day, was on the Dallas Cowboys practice squad, 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: didn't make the NFL, went back, got some more education 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: and has taken the broadcast business by storm over the years. 27 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: And used to be a regular on the weekend show 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: that I did with Looney the Blitz. On the weekend 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: we stopped Charles on all the time talking about different 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: NFL games he was doing. And then, rather quietly, in 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: the middle of the pandemic, Charles had a great opportunity 32 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: that popped up at CBS, and so he joined the 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: NFL on CBS. But he's also the voice of the 34 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: Madden video game. And if your kids play Madden, or 35 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: you play Madden, or you've played Madden within the last 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: seven or eight years, chances are you've heard the dulcet 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: tones of one Charles Davis. So he's all over the place. 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: But Charles, welcome in. Good to have you with us 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: year on the Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard and Danny 40 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: g So let's start with the video game here and 41 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: riddle me this Charles, What is the coolest thing about 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: being the voice of the iconic Madden franchise. It's It's 43 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: truly a wonderful question. And I'm not sure what's not 44 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: cool about it, right, I mean, whatever aspect you want, 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: I think if I have to narrow it down to 46 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: one thing. Obviously, along with the A Sports e A 47 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: Sports doing the nuts and bolts, Coach Madden with the 48 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: vision and the drive and the consistent how can it 49 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: get better? And the word authentic was the number one 50 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: word for everything. And I'm part of a franchise that 51 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: has his name on it, and Ben and if you're 52 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: of a certain age like I am, you remember Coach 53 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: Madden is a Super Bowl winning coach and one of 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: the iconic franchises in NFL history, and seemingly playing for 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: the right to go to the Super Bowl every year 56 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: is what it felt like under him as a tenure run. 57 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: But a good number of people who play this game, 58 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: they know him as the video game guy. And just 59 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: to be a part of that and part of that 60 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: pamp beyond the people who have participated and been part 61 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: of it, been the voices of it, I'd said, that's 62 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: probably the coolest thing and I imagine when you're traveling 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: around Charles, people come up to you and probably pepper 64 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: you with all kinds of of questions. I think, what's 65 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: they they realized they connect the dots. That must be interesting, 66 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: your travels around the NFL, running into different people and 67 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: the things they say to you. Right, yeah, it's it's fun. 68 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: But I will tell you, Ben, it happens a lot 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: less than you might imagine. And I think a big 70 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: part of it is myself and my partner Brandon Godden, 71 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: handles the play by play and does it wonderfully. We're 72 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: not quote unquote in the game, right, so, so like 73 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: you don't see us. I think at one point, I 74 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: don't know if we still do. We would pop up 75 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: from very briefly at the end of the third quarter. 76 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: But you know the great players that the real gamers, 77 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: they button through everything so fast. I'm not sure. So 78 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 1: we're essentially voices. And I've been doing this game now 79 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: with Brandon, and we finished our seventh year. We're going 80 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: into our eighth now. I will tell you, and this 81 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: is no exaggeration. I've been recognized twice by NFL players 82 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: as the maddened guy and all the time you've gone 83 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: to practices, games, meetings, the whole deal. Because we're just voices. 84 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: A lot of them don't connect. Only one connected voice 85 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: and that was Jalen Hurts. First time I asked him 86 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: a pa to to sit down with the Eagles, he said, 87 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: hold of the second, I know that voice, I said, 88 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: I said, Jalen has never happened before. And the other 89 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: was it was Mike Daniels the big defensive tackles with 90 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: the Packers. Then he rolled over and said, Yo, my kids, 91 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: My kids enjoy the game. I was like, hey, that 92 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: is that is very cool. But it does it does happen. 93 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here trying to be Mr. Supermodest and 94 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now I'm being inauthentic, which 95 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: Coach Madden would hit me outside the head for. But 96 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen as often as one might think. But 97 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: it's very nice when it does, and people are people 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: are very very nice about it and the whole thing, 99 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: and you know, and we're we're just trying our best 100 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: to make it better all the time. As my son 101 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: told me when I took the job, he said, hey, 102 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: make sure you do a lot of stuff so that 103 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't know all the time what's going to pop 104 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: up when a certain play happens. And I said, well, 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: we'll do our best, but we have our limits to kids. 106 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: We're doing our best to try and come up with 107 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: new stuff all the time that sounds good and doesn't 108 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: sound cheesy and all the rest of it. And uh, 109 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: we just put it out there and let the consumer 110 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: tell us if we we hit it or not. Yeah, 111 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to get into that shows I. I know 112 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: I've asked you in the past, but there's new people 113 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: listening all the time. Like to put a video game 114 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: like that together with hundreds of players. Now you don't 115 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: say the names of the players per se, but you 116 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: still have to come up with, as you said, unique stuff. 117 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: You've been doing this a long time, so roughly, how 118 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: many hours does it take for you and your your 119 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: partner there to go into a recording studio? Do you 120 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: do it from home? Do you have to go into 121 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: uh to the facility and record the stuff? And how 122 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: many hours of commitment are we talking about to put 123 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: a video game together each year? It's crazy. Well, pre 124 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: covid Um, we would go into the studio Andy a 125 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: sports um. Since COVID. We've been recording from home. He 126 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: has moved into a new facility and there's still in 127 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: the process of moving everything over there, so we're not 128 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: back in the in the in the facility yet in 129 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: the room, but we hope that will happen sooner rather 130 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: than later because it's a lot better for the game. 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: I think when I can look at my partner, he 132 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: can look at me. Because when we do the game, Ben, 133 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: we're not doing it to video. It's all blank, Okay, 134 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: we have we have words in front of us. That's 135 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: our script doing the joy tri beyond the air quotes 136 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: there that we have a wonderful writer, uh At Brady 137 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: does a fantastic job, and we've had other people who 138 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: have assisted over the years and they give us a script. 139 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: But most of the time the script is there are 140 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: things that we have to get in and have to 141 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: be precise about, and there's a lot of things where 142 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: it's just a situation. What can you guys come up with, 143 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: and here's the here's the framework. What can you put 144 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: to that? And we'll do a lot of number of 145 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: different takes and then they decide what they like and 146 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 1: don't like and go on from there. Then we usually 147 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: start preseason NFL, which is August, and we wrapped usually 148 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: middle of June. UM. When we were in the studio, 149 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: our sessions would often last four hours or some. Now 150 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: that we're not in the studio, we're usually doing a 151 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: hard two hours each time. UM. He and I both 152 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: do games on the weekend, so he'll do college football 153 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: and some NFL. I'm doing NFL. So our games are 154 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday, and then Monday we're in the studio recording 155 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: and we do that Monday Tuesday during the season, and 156 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: then as the season ends, we may add extra days on. 157 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: We usually do, so I can't tell you the exact 158 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: number of hours. And remember we're not doing it every 159 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: week as well once the season ends because brand you know, 160 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: Brandon has basketball and baseball and I have other stuff 161 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: that comes up, so we would get it together. But 162 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: we will consistently go from August until June. All right, 163 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: you know, two to three hours of pop in the session, 164 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: and when we're in the normal it's usually two times 165 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: a week, and then the outer it can be four 166 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: times a week. You're putting the hours in there, and 167 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: are you gonna branch out to any other video games. Charles, 168 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: I know you're you're a football guy, but you now 169 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: you've got this on your resume. You've done this for years. 170 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: Is there a possibility of something else? Listen? I I 171 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: would listen to anyone who would be crazy enough to 172 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: be interested in me, and I'm sure Brandon would do 173 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: the same. But so far we're we're just proud to 174 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: be the voices of mad And uh, I can't. I 175 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: don't know that there's another one out there for me. 176 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: There could be for Brandon played by plays different. Yeah, 177 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: you know when when you're doing the analyst work, if 178 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: it's basketball, they're gonna want a true basketball guy, baseball, 179 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: true baseball guy, soccer, but you know they're gonna want 180 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: the true soccer guy with me. That group is not 181 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: going to stand for anything else, you know that, So 182 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, right on down the line. So I'm just 183 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: fortunately able to do what I'm doing, and uh, I 184 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: think that will probably be it. I got you, I 185 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: got you now I gotta talk about you. You had 186 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: been at Fox for a long time and then the 187 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: whole world, as we know, the last couple of years 188 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: have been wonky. Things are starting to get back to 189 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: the normal. Most places and still still a little out there. 190 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: But during all of that, the haze of the COVID 191 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: shutdown and all that, you switched jobs and you go, 192 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: you went from Fox to CBS, and I feel like 193 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: we did not do the proper send off to you 194 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: when you made the change. How weird was that with 195 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: everything going on in the world as it was, and 196 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: then you end up making a major career change and 197 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: and congratulations, you're You're great. I love you on CBS 198 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: as well, But how weird was it when you realize, Hey, 199 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be changing gigs here, and everything in the 200 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: world's all wonky? Right, yeah, it's but there's a lot. 201 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: I think you described it pretty accurately. I think that 202 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: anyone who's listening to us and had similar experiences, you know, 203 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean, think of all the people who had to 204 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: go through furloughs and then the job was gone, or 205 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: trying to change jobs or find a new job. Wonky 206 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: is the perfect word. I mean, there was no playbook 207 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: for that at all, right, there is no getting around this, 208 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: that and everything. So I was just fortunate enough that 209 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: during that time frame, I had another I had I 210 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: had an option. You know, it's the best way to 211 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: put it, I mean, one day we one day I can, 212 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: you know, I'll probably talk about the whole thing or whatever. 213 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: I don't know that now it is truly the time. 214 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: But I was fortunate enough that the incredible people at 215 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: CBS Sports thought that I was good enough to come 216 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: over and join their group, join their family, and and 217 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: it happened, as you said, during a crazy, crazy time 218 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: at fourteen years I believe that you know there, I mean, 219 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you go back to BCS on you know, 220 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: the BCS games called National Championship Games and big time 221 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: BCS Bowl games too, NFL football and part pairing with 222 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, Gus Johnson on college football again and then 223 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: moving back to the NFL, and had wonderful, wonderful partners 224 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: and people that I worked with there. But at that 225 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: time frame, I guess the way I described it then 226 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: it's probably still most accurately. It just seemed that that 227 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: was the TVs just seemed to be in the right 228 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: place for me to be at that time. And I 229 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, and I'll just leave it at that for now. 230 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: But uh, a lot of great people I've worked with 231 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: along the way, don't get me wrong, that's for sure. 232 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: And is there is there really any difference to what 233 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: you do like the nuts and bolt of calling an 234 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: NFL game, whether or a college game, whether at Fox 235 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: or CBS. Is it obviously it's different people, But does 236 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: it really change all that much? You're still doing your 237 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: your same stuff. What's it like for you now? It's 238 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: really not that much change, man. I mean football games. 239 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: The football games a football game, right, So we're not 240 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: we're not reinventing the wheel on it, you know. I mean, 241 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: what what what Fred Flintstone and Bartie Rubble we're doing 242 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: back in those times we're doing now? Now? You're trying 243 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: to do it better each and every time out for yourself. 244 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm trying to do it better than 245 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: other people. Where you're really it's kind of liking it 246 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: to golfin you're playing the course and the course every game, 247 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: every time is the game itself. I know that fans, 248 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: I know that media critics, I know that everyone tries 249 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: to compare us and this person does it this way. 250 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: That's all fine and dandy. You have to be true 251 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: to yourself, be true to your partner, to be true 252 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: to your team. But we're calling football, you know, and 253 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who's broadcasting. At the end of the day, 254 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: the rules are the same. And I could go all 255 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: Gene Hackman here at Hoosier's right. The dimensions of the 256 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: same change, the players of the same. But who you're 257 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: working with, how you're doing it, what your bosses are 258 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: are asking from you. There's subtle differences, don't get me wrong. 259 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: But in broad macro it's still football. Yeah, and as 260 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: it got You played college football Tennessee back in the day, 261 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: and looking around you broadcast college football over the years. 262 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: When you see what's going on right now behind the 263 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: scenes in college football, Uh, where does it end here? 264 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: And do you have any you have a crystal ball here, Charles? 265 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: Are we looking at only two or three conferences five 266 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: years from now? How's this gonna shake down? Well? First 267 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: of all, when I heard U, C, l A and 268 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: USC we're going to the Big ten, I think that's 269 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: when my childhood officially died. I'm fifty seven now. I 270 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: think my childhood officially died at that moment. And I 271 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: mean it in a in a truly negative sense. We've 272 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: had plenty of upheaval, right, We've had plenty of big 273 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: time names switching conferences and this going there and knowing 274 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: that you know, Oklahoma and Texas were coming to the 275 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: SEC and those don't seem as much of a stretch 276 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: as U c L a USC Big Ten. And I 277 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: remember thinking right away, Ben, I can't wait, and I 278 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: hope I'm around for the day if the Rose Bowl 279 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: continues to exist, because I have my doubts about bowl 280 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: games going forward, but they continue to exist. And you 281 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: know how what a big player the Rose Bowl is 282 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: in the Bowl Bowl situation, right, You couldn't get to 283 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: you couldn't get to the BCS in a playoff without 284 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: being able to have blessing and allowances for the Rose 285 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: Bowl game itself. Right, So when I heard that, all 286 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: I said was, please let me be around for U 287 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: c L air USC to win the Big Ten and 288 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: be announced as the Big Ten representative in the Rose Bowl. 289 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: That will really set it on it's ear, because you know, again, 290 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: as I've mentioned before, also of a certain age, that 291 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: was a big deal with what which team was coming 292 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: coming west out of the cold weather the Big Ten 293 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: to play in and U c L and USC we're 294 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: often the hosts of that game, and now we're gonna 295 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: change it that way. As far as the crystal ball, 296 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: I keep hearing about different you know, three conferences, four conferences, 297 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: I get all of that. I think it's going to 298 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: go farther than I think that. We're going to end 299 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: up with much more of an NFL model, but bigger 300 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, the NFL is thirty two teams. 301 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: I can easily see that doubled. We can stretch it 302 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: to seventy. But I don't know if we get much 303 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: more beyond that, if if we even get to that number, 304 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: because what it's going to take to play that big 305 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: time football, that kind of money. You're gonna have teams 306 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: that you and I grew up with, and when I 307 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: say teams, universities and colleges that we grew up with 308 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: that financially won't be able to keep up and may 309 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: have to play. What we see now is one double 310 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: a right, So they'll have super deal, super conference, whatever 311 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: you want to call it. But I don't think it'll 312 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: even be conferences anymore. I think it will be divisions, 313 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: just like the NFL has, and it may change from 314 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: year to year. This Green group may go there. Maybe 315 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it'd be like relegation, but they may 316 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: change it up. You know, Okay, we're gonna for four years, 317 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: gonna be this grouping, all right, next four years this grouping, 318 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: and then try and play that way. I see a 319 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: commissioner for it, because the n c A doesn't really 320 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: govern it anyway. So I see a commissioner type person 321 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: and an organization that way. I think it'll model the 322 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: NFL in a lot of ways down the road. But 323 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: until we get there, we know the SEC is gonna 324 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: survive the nuclear blasts. We know the Big ten's gonna 325 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: say I had the new clear blasts. I think the 326 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: A c C will, but they probably want to go 327 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: and get some reinforcements because they're what they call the 328 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: grant of rights is pretty locked solid until I don't 329 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: think anyone's going anywhere, and the Big twelve looks like 330 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: they're making moves the PAC twelve Big twelve, if they 331 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: go into some sort of alliance, that will be interesting 332 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: to see, but I don't know that anyone's clamoring for that. 333 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: So it's four or five conferences we get it. But 334 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: eventually I think we have the super super conference that 335 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: I see more like an NFL model, and I'm gonna 336 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: put the number around fifty to sixty UH programs in 337 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: the country. I love that. And you mentioned relegation, and 338 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: that is also something that is obviously from Europe and 339 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: that's what they do in soccer and whatnot. But I 340 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: think that would be wonderful if they can somehow incorporate 341 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: that in college. Now I'm not a university president or 342 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm not an athletic director, but the idea of a 343 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: concept of hey, if you're if you're not getting it done, 344 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: you've got to go to a lower level. And I 345 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: wish there was a way we could do that in 346 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: all of our sports in America. I think it's just 347 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: better for for fans that teams keep trying. I've always 348 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: been annoyed, Charles with the tanking that goes on, at 349 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: least the perceived tanking sometimes real in sports, And if 350 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: you could eliminate that or at least make that much 351 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: more difficult with relegation, that would be a wonderful thing. 352 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea if they could do 353 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: that in college, I don't see a way you can 354 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: do it in the other professional leagues. Is there a 355 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: path to that and the other sports leagues, Gerald, it's 356 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: really really hard. And the reason I think relegation works 357 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: well in Europe and and and I'm sticking with soccer 358 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: because I'm not familiar if there's any other sports to 359 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: have the relegation is that they've managed to maintain their 360 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: teams on a pretty equal level, whether they're in the 361 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: top level or the next level. And so when you 362 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: get relegated it down, you're not so huge and you're 363 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: not so small, and when you bound your way up, 364 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: you've already put the resources in to begin with. Here, 365 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: If we go to relegation somehow, that would that would 366 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: mean that you have two tiers of college football that 367 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: are still basically spending the same amount of money. And 368 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: I just don't see that happening. See what I see 369 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: happening is the super supers are gonna spend you know, 370 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: pick your number, right. So if we're spending one million dollars, 371 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: which we know as far short as the number I'm 372 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: just using as an example, and an FCS or one 373 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: double a team spending let's say roughly five hundred thousand dollars, 374 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: you're not gonna spend a million dollars on the FCS level. 375 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: And then you get a chance to bounce up, and 376 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: now you're up there with the big boys, and you're 377 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: ready to go. That's why I see I'm not as 378 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: bullish on that. I think your point remains and and 379 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: and it would be a lot of fun if we 380 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: have those two tiers. I just don't think the colleges 381 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: are gonna do that. I think they're gonna they're gonna 382 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: make a choice. I'm either in it with the big people, 383 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: are running with the running with the other pack, and 384 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: schools that were used to running with the big people 385 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: won't all make it all right. That's that's the way 386 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: I see it coming. I'm not saying it with any glee. 387 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: But I'm also seeing even ones who are having success 388 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: now that have been unexpected could have trouble running with 389 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: the big boys later, you know, and and and and 390 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: could I you know, go pick your conference, take a 391 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: look and look and say, Okay, who truly has the resources, 392 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: who truly has the name that's gonna survive this bad boy? 393 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: And you look at some of the ones who have 394 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: been clustered at the bottom for a long time, and they, 395 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: let's say they are truly those true academic type places, 396 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, what I mean they pride themselves on, then 397 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: they may very well choose we're not going to jump 398 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: at race anymore because look, I'll use Vanderbilt as a 399 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: quick example. Okay, no better academics you're going to get anywhere. 400 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: Great city should be a great recruiting base. But the 401 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: private school, we know what it's like to do all 402 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 1: the things. Over the last twenty years, their success has 403 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: been minimal. James Franklin had the most did a phenomenal 404 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: job there, but it hasn't been able to be sustained. 405 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: They would be a candidate for having to make that 406 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: major decision, I think, because they probably can get the 407 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: resources to run with the big dogs. But if running 408 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: with the big dogs me and your record is still 409 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: one in eleven as opposed to what if you can 410 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: drop down a level and be really competitive? Yeah, I 411 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: think people. I think people are gonna make that decision 412 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: on that. Does that mean, though, Charles, that this is 413 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: the next year of college football is going to be 414 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: the end of Like I'm looking at Alabama schedule, they 415 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: play Utah State in Louisiana, Monroe in the in the 416 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: non is just the end of that? No? I don't 417 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: think so. I think that, Um, you know, we're not 418 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: done with it. I'm just saying down the road, I 419 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: see it happening. And when we get down the road, 420 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: then every week it's a big boy, big boy game. 421 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: Now that's when it changes when when we get to 422 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: the Super super we're not at the Super Supers yet 423 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: and people are still going to offer that up. And 424 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: if you're a true big boy trying to win a 425 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: national championship, if you're in the SEC, you're gonna play 426 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: some of those other games because every week is a grinder. 427 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: But you do pick that one nonconference game that you 428 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: need to keep yourself on the map and keep visibility. 429 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: And if Alabama always becomes a target for that, and 430 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: I can't believe it's a Tennessee guy. I'm over here 431 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: defending Alabama. Don't do what you don't. People always go for, 432 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, Alabama, especially we get to November. You know 433 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: that weekend in the SEC in November when everyone plays 434 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: no One. Always always remind people go back to the 435 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: early part of the season. Alabama is always playing that 436 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: kickoff game and usually against good opponents, name opponents. And 437 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: they jumped on Michigan and the in past years they 438 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: jumped on usc Um you know you, you name it 439 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: name Miami. Were those teams up to stuff at the time. No, 440 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: but you can't fault them for playing that traditionally strong team. 441 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: And then when they play Mercer in November if it 442 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: gets on their case, like, hey, they played those guys 443 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: back in the beginning. And by the way, they're going 444 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: to Texas this year. I think week two the week 445 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 1: to the season, So now Mamma always does that, So 446 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: they make no apologies for playing Mercery November. They're like, 447 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: give me a break. I just came off of playing 448 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: l s U. You know, old Mrs gotten Good, I 449 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: just played these people. Give me Mercer, give you a 450 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: week and then let me gut it out and get 451 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: ready for All Burn or whoever down the retch. But 452 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: don't forget in the beginning, we played a marquee team 453 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: in a marquee game, and people like that. So I 454 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: do think that continues with the big boys. But when 455 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: we get to that super super then everyone ostensibly is 456 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: supposed to be a Marquee type of the game. Yeah, 457 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: now I want to turn the page here. You go 458 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: back to the NFL, Charles, because you're the NFL CBS 459 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: coverage and all that stuff, and training camps are opening 460 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: up here. Before we know it, they're gonna be training 461 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: camps around the league. So, uh, just kind of picked 462 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: your brand on a few things. Do you see the Rams, 463 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: the reigning Super Bowl champions, being able to maintain a 464 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: similar season upcoming or will they fall off a little 465 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: bit that Super Bowl hangover? For the Rams, I see 466 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: them having the ability to maintain the Super Bowl hangovers 467 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: real And a lot of it has to do with 468 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: what everyone gets in the off season. Agile ation that 469 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: you know, better, sponsorship, more deals, right, everyone's up a 470 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: radio show. I still go back to the nineties Cowboys, Ben. 471 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: It's one of the more remarkable things the run they 472 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: had because I think at one point didn't they say 473 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: something like twenty to twenty five cowboys that had their 474 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: own radio shows. I mean, they handled the celebrity and 475 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: embraced it as well as any great dynasty we've seen. 476 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: Kansas City has come through at a time where the 477 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: run that they've had, they've had to run through COVID, 478 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: they they've had to run through the time frames where 479 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: the sponsorships and all the extras that come with being 480 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: a didn't really have materialized because our world stopped, and 481 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: I think that that was common advantage to them. It 482 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: didn't splinter apart with the with the pat Riley has 483 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: called the disease of me. I don't think the Rams 484 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: are gonna suffer from it either, even though they're in 485 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: one of the great sponsorship marketing places in the in 486 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: the world in Los Angeles. For this reason, I think 487 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh keeps it fresh. I think Sean McVeigh keeps 488 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: it fun. Remember then, when he took over as the 489 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: head coach, is the youngest coach in the league. He 490 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: didn't play his starters in preseason at all period, which 491 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: has really led us to where we are now because 492 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: people were playing people less. But he never even little 493 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: hit the field and people were freaking out, people like, 494 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: what are they doing? What is going on? Have you 495 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: checked the start to the Rams seasons under Sean McVeigh. 496 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: They come out of the gate strong every year, not 497 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: just because he holds him out, but what I'd love 498 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: to do is to get embedded with that franchise and 499 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: see what he does practice wise, because they come out 500 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: sharp for people who never played in preseason, who didn't 501 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: do anything, who didn't go what is he doing and 502 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: what is his his his program doing is doing something 503 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: incredibly well. I don't have the numbers in front of me, 504 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: but I can't think of a time that Sean mcveigh's 505 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: RAMS started one in three. It's always more like three 506 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: than four. Oh, that sort of a deal. So it's 507 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: not just that he's resting guys, because everyone's resting guys, 508 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: But what are they doing in practice? How are they 509 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: how are they doing things and meetings? How is he 510 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: drilling them? And the other part is they come out 511 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: of the game and don't just win games. They don't 512 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: have fifteen penalties per game because we always talk about 513 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: how sloppy the first month in the NFL season is right, 514 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: no one's playing, no one tackles, you know, everything's this, 515 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: everything's that. I don't see that with the RAMS, So 516 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: I do believe. I do count on what I've seen before, 517 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: whatever what's been in front of me. I think that 518 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: they'll still be a hungry team. Matthew Stafford, he may 519 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: have gotten his ring, but how happy is he? It's like, 520 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? How wire someday every he could 521 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: not say that for his career in Detroit, and that 522 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: guy was a warrior in Detroit. I did two games 523 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: been of his where he didn't practice the entire week 524 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: and took every snap on Sunday, and in both occasions 525 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: Detroit was well below five. That guy when it was 526 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: time to answer the bell, he answered the bell. Now 527 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: he's answering the bell with his big smile, like, not 528 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: only to my answering the bell, I get a chance 529 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: to add to my jewelry. I get a chance to 530 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: add to my end, to my my you know, my, my, 531 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: my reputation, my my accomplishments. Because remember this, his olverall 532 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: career record is well below five because of its time 533 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: in Detroit. He's gonna have but he's gonna have Hall 534 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: of Fame numbers. How are people going to reconcile that 535 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: a second? We'll go a long way towards the racing 536 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: everything in Detroit, and everybody would just go, you know something, 537 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: don't don't put Detroit on. He put out big numbers 538 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: in Detroit, and as soon as he had a good franchise, 539 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: look at what he did. He won two rings. So 540 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: if he can get a second ring, I think he 541 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: waltz is into the Hall of Fame. Des fight what 542 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: his career record is because you can't put all that 543 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, that's a good point. And some of 544 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: the other players that sort of guys that change teams. Here, 545 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: Charles tyreek Kill is now a Miami Dolphin, Davante Adams 546 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: is in the Las Vegas Raiders organization. Now, which of those, 547 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: which of those guys do you think is the real deal? 548 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: And we've seen over the years. I saw stat a 549 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: couple of weeks back that receivers who are top level 550 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: receivers who changed teams historically their numbers go down when 551 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: they change teams. It's it's that position. So which of 552 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: these guys you think is the real deal? Which is 553 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: more likely to bring the same success they had with 554 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: their old team to their new team. They're both the 555 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: real deal. But based off of what you just said, 556 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: and it is true, Davante Adams going to the Raiders 557 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: seemingly has a better chance of quote unquote success. And 558 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: here's why. You already have the established quarterback in car 559 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: with a connection from their past in college, with a 560 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: franchise that went to the end, went to the playoffs 561 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: last year and under new management now with johsh McDaniels, 562 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: Dames Cars and who knows that operate you moved to Miami. 563 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: Can Tyree Hill helped bring along to it? Absolutely he can, 564 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: but too hasn't done it our consistent basis yet. So 565 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: if I were you know, if I'm sitting there saying 566 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: which one would I expect? I expected Vante Adams and 567 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: and Derek Carr to click a lot faster and really 568 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: be a factor out of the gate. Doesn't mean that 569 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: Tyree Hill and Tour won't be. But there's still a 570 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: lot of question marks. There's a lot to be proven. 571 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: And don't forget part of Tyreek Hills. Big time plays 572 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: made in Kansas City were made off of what Patrick 573 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: mahomes ability to keep a play alive, escape and then 574 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: make a seventy yard throw across his body, across the 575 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: field and on a wide open Tyreek Hill. Those plays 576 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: might not be an abundance in Miami, at least not 577 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: in the beginning, because my Homes is just beyond special 578 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: in terms of being able to do. That doesn't mean 579 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: to us not a good quarterback, not a good player. 580 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: He has to rove, but not consistent basis. But in 581 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: your mind, then I think in the minds of anyone 582 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: evaluating it. Do we see two of making those same 583 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: types of plays consistently like my Home's probably not now. 584 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: Tyreek would probably argue and go, hey, I did this 585 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: for fact. I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying there's 586 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: been plenty of plays. And think about every time you 587 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: watch Kansas City Plat didn't it feel like there's one 588 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: or two of those plays per game where he would 589 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, and all of a sudden went like he 590 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: made what throw? You know? It's just like so so 591 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: those things go a long way towards it. So as 592 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: you put as you posited it, I'm saying Adams and 593 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: Car have a better chance success early then two and 594 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: Tyreek just be because of past history and past affiliations 595 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: and Car being established in this league as a quarterback, 596 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: you probably doesn't get as much respect as they should. Yeah. 597 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: And and Charles the the chicken or the egg argument 598 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: receiver quarterback? Who is between those two? I I changed 599 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: my opinion when when Randy Moss left the Vikings and 600 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: went to the Raiders and it was, uh, did not 601 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: go well for him with the Raiders, and then he 602 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: goes to the Patriots and he lights the world on fire. 603 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: So to me, that was like, well, that's the quarterback. 604 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: He was back with a good quarterback. I think he 605 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: had like Andrew Walter not to rip him. But there 606 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: was the guys like that with the Raiders when he 607 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: was there. Are you on the same page with that 608 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: or where do you stand on that quarterback versus receiver 609 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: and vice versa? Yeah, I tend to I tend to 610 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: fall towards the quarterback because over time, when we've had 611 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: those matchups, right and you put it together, typically you 612 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: have the quarterback with the arm, the skills, the boxy, 613 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: the ability to get the ball to that receiver. Okay, 614 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: and I know receiver were screaming and yelling, but remember 615 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: this DeVante Adams in Las Vegas because a certain number, 616 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, and I know that you know, there's talk 617 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: that green. They offered more of Devanty want to be 618 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Tyreek, Kansas City drove a number in 619 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: the sand and said this is the number. If not, 620 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: we'll find you. Okay, someone else interested A J. Brown. 621 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: The Titans didn't want him to go away, but again 622 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: again the number hit and they were like, okay, if 623 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: we can find someone, and they did. In Philadelphia because 624 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: Ben every year now in the college draft. I'm telling 625 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: you until the time they closed my coffin, if we 626 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: keep playing football the way we're playing, about the throwing 627 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: we're doing at a younger age, every year you have 628 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: receivers flooding this league with potential to play. I don't 629 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: think many teams are gonna break their bank, even for 630 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: their all star receiver, but you will break your bank 631 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: for your quarterback. I think the orter back drives it. 632 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: I mean all the great duos. Sterling, sirup from Green Bay, 633 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: should be okay, had the one great year with John 634 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: Magick mccowski. But when did everything really blossom when Farve hit, 635 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, and then Sterling and and Sterling is a 636 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame receiver. People are overlooking that. Go check 637 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: the numbers, Go check his production in a seven year career. 638 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: It's off the charts, probably second only to Jerry Rice 639 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: during that time. So Charles, Charles, do you do you think, Charles, 640 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: do you think that we'll get to a point like 641 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: the running back position. You know, you're you're kind of 642 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: close to We're around the same age. And when I 643 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: was a kid, the running back was like the god 644 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: of football, that was like everything was about the running back. 645 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: And now you look at these teams like the Rams 646 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: just won the Super Bowl, they had a rotation and 647 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: running backs and and a lot of teams have gone 648 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: to that. Well, will the receiver position eventually get to 649 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: that point, because as you said, there's so many guy 650 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: is in college seemingly every year that are getting better 651 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: and better. Will they just downgrade how much they want 652 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: to pay the top receivers in the next ten years 653 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: or so? I think so. I think that the top 654 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: reviewers are not gonna make as much with their current teams, 655 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: but they will with the second team. You know, that's 656 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: what it's going to be. But that'll be a smaller 657 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: pool of guys will get that second team opportunity. And 658 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: we just went in a few of mar Ra Tireek 659 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: second team, you know, Davante I'm second team, a J. 660 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: Brown second team, that sort of a deal. But you 661 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: know it's Green Bay just went and drafted you know guys, right, 662 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: you know, Kansas City drafted guys you know, and and 663 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: and we'll just see, we'll see how it all turns out, 664 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: whether they reached those same heights. But I do think 665 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: a wide receiver one is not going away anytime soon. 666 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 1: There's still gonna be the dominant receiver and much more 667 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: committee with backs. And you're right has changed. When I 668 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: was a kid, when you played fullback, you were an 669 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: integral part of the running game. Jim Round was a fullback, 670 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: Jim Taylor was a full back. Those guys led to 671 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: led the NFL and rushing. Okay, Now, the fullback if 672 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: you don't do anything but block and maybe catching occasional 673 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: path and then the running back handles the rest of it. 674 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: But the rotation is okay. The key, though, Ben is 675 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: is your rotation giving you four porce yards per carry 676 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: into the playoffs. You don't have to have a feature guy, 677 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: and the running game still has to supply enough for 678 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: you to be able to run deep. Name a Super 679 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: Bowl champ that didn't have a consistent running game. It's rare. 680 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: It's rare. I mean, they still is consistent even if 681 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: one of the guys isn't isn't a superstar for sure. 682 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: And we'll get you out on this, Russell Wilson, this 683 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: is not seeming were getting tons of attention. I know 684 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: it's Denver and it's not a huge media market and 685 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: all that, But Russell Wilson going from Seattle the Denver, 686 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: how do you see that one working out? Charles? Is 687 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: this Peyton manning two point oh for the Broncos. Are 688 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: they back among the big players in the NFL all 689 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden just getting Russell Wilson. Is that the 690 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: only thing they were missing? Well, they were, They're missing 691 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: more than that, But that's a big part of it 692 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: because consistent quarterback play. You know, they're in one of 693 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: the toughest divisions in in football's we know, the f 694 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: C West, but consistent quarterback play can carry you so far? 695 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: Did the rub very simply is this first year head 696 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: coaching Nathaniel Hackett, right, Can that defense continue to play? 697 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: Is at a high level that Vick fan Joel had 698 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: him playing? And I think that they have an opportunity 699 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: that get players Justin Simmons, Can Bradley Chubb get back 700 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: to form, etcetera, etcetera. But the flipping to the other side. 701 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: Last year, their biggest issue was they couldn't close out 702 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: or win close games with the combination of Teddy Bridgewater 703 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: and Drew Lock. Russell Wilson should handle that. Courtland Sutton 704 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: should be informed. kJ Hamdler should be informed. All those 705 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: things happened. They've upgraded the offensive line, a lot of 706 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: positives been But here's the issue. Would you at the 707 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: medic Kansas City as we sit here now, would you 708 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: put him ahead of the Las Vegas Raiders? Would you 709 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: put them ahead of Los Angeles Chargers. You've got four 710 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: of the top fifteen quarterbacks in the NFL in the 711 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: a f C West, three of the top ten, and 712 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: I suspect the fourth is closer to the top ten 713 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,439 Speaker 1: than he is to the fifty team. Yeah, so that's 714 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: what you have in that division. So someone's not gonna 715 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: make that. They're not all gonna make the playoffs in 716 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: that division. So if you if you're fortunate, you can 717 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: get three. We've seen divisions get three. Yeah. Boy, that's 718 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: rare and it's difficult to do, but that's what you have. 719 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: But on a given week, who's the best quarterback in 720 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: that division? To me, Mahomes is the guy because he's 721 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: consistently done it. No one throws it better than Herbert 722 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: and he's a better competitive people. No. Russell Wilson has 723 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: proven be nice with the new team, and and then 724 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: Derek Carr again overlooked. The guy put up well over 725 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: four grand per year and motivates his team. He held 726 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: that team together so well last year as a leader, 727 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,959 Speaker 1: with the turmoil they had. He will never get enough 728 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: credit for doing what he did to rally that team 729 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: to the playoffs last year. I hear you on that. 730 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: What's your first game this year, Charles, your first broadcast? 731 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 1: I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I haven't 732 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: gotten our schedule yet, so well, we'll find out how 733 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: coming weeks, so not quite sure, but look at the 734 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: NFL football. Ben, just send me anywhere and I'll be excited. Awesome. 735 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this, Charles. I appreciate it, and I 736 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: love watching on TV in the video game, the whole 737 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: thing and continued success. Thanks for doing it. Appreciate Its 738 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 1: same to you, Ben. Thanks for having me. You take care, 739 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: talk to you down the road.