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Speaker 1: Morning Combat. Welcome everyone on a Merry Christmas, Happy Honukah,

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Speaker 1: Happy Kwanza edition, Happy Holidays edition. It is the hostess

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Speaker 1: Everyone, welcome to Morning Combat here on this twenty third

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Speaker 1: BC's VCS. My name is Luke Thomas. I am, of

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Speaker 1: course joining from the capital of the Statusnedos, joined by

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Speaker 1: my friend and HEATERO Life mate, Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Luke. I'm gonna tight ugly medium Christmas sweater.

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Speaker 4: I'm fired up for the holidays. And if you ask

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Speaker 1: No, look, if we can't put the stats on the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, better stamina, Luke. You gotta say that too. He

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the three judges had Usik winning the

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Speaker 4: look like against Jack Johnson, Rocky Marciano, Joe Lewis. He's

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Speaker 4: six foot nine and just as skilled as these guys, right,

433
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 4: Yet Usik could bridge that gap and figure out a

434
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Speaker 4: way to decode him. Yes, in some ways it is

435
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Speaker 4: similar to what I mentioned Michael Spink's moving up from

436
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 4: light heavyweight and doing that twice to Holmes. But Fury

437
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 4: is the ultimate heavyweight unicorn, even at thirty six, and

438
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 4: Usik exited that fight looking like he wasn't even touched. Luke,

439
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 4: this is brilliance what we are watching here.

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Speaker 1: Let's put up the judges scorecards if we can. Here.

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Speaker 1: I take a look at them. These are all three

442
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 1: of them I'm trying to see. So you have Martinez

443
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: on the left, Morally in the middle, and then Robless

444
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: on the side. Roblest giving one round which was round

445
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 1: nine to Fury basically since you know Jesus from round

446
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: six on, my God, and then you have Morally giving

447
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: everything to Usik from round six on. And then you

448
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: have Martinez giving everything to Usik from round six on

449
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Speaker 1: except round twelve, which I really disagree with. I thought

450
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: that was a pretty clear Usik round. I agree, But nevertheless,

451
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 1: look at that back half dominance. It's stunning, stunning when

452
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Speaker 1: you realize everything you had said before, a significant height disadvantage,

453
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Speaker 1: a significant weight disadvantage, a significant reach disadvantage. And once

454
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Speaker 1: round six got started, basically again there was tight moments

455
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Speaker 1: and of course, you know some of this is debatable,

456
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Speaker 1: but he really truly never looked back. That is the

457
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Speaker 1: sign of someone who has again the only other guy

458
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Speaker 1: I can think of like this who could consistently do

459
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Speaker 1: it against in many ways, bigger guys than him. I know,

460
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: Mayweather got bigger as he got older, but he wasn't

461
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: the same size as Codo. He wasn't the same size

462
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: as a lot of guys, certainly not well. He had

463
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: drained Canelo, but you get what I'm trying to say.

464
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Speaker 1: And then to just out box them so cleanly down

465
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: the stretch that all they could do is just sort

466
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Speaker 1: of helplessly do their best and watch it is truly historic, Looch,

467
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: you were watching from a guy like this.

468
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Speaker 4: Lusik had tried to just out box him from the outside,

469
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Speaker 4: which is what we always assumed Usik would do against

470
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Speaker 4: these super heavyweights. I'm not sure if he has that success.

471
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 4: He walked down the bigger man and landed the better

472
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Speaker 4: power shots and the more efficient ones. I mean, this

473
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Speaker 4: is like you said, Mayweather level brilliant and Dominan's Canelo

474
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 4: level at his very prime when he was that efficient counterpuncher.

475
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 4: This is absolutely amazing, which is why I got to

476
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Speaker 4: call out his own here. While this card was paced

477
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: a lot better than previous read Sason fight cards, even

478
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 4: though it still took, you know, nine hour broadcasts. Having

479
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Speaker 4: a full British team called the fight like they did,

480
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 4: they overleas threw it. I thought in favor of Fury,

481
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: it wasn't the best look. Why is Todd Grisham, who

482
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Speaker 4: called the first fight and has delivered such great sound

483
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 4: bites and big moments and this era of heavyweight magic

484
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 4: on his own and in read season? And why are

485
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Speaker 4: you having Anthony Joshua be your unofficial score when it's

486
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Speaker 4: obvious the business of Fury winning that rematch and potentially

487
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 4: winning a trilogy to regain control of the division would

488
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 4: only benefit Joshua in not having to go back through

489
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Speaker 4: Dubois and instead cutting the line and facing Fury, who

490
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: will probably fight next anyway, and it'll be a big

491
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Speaker 4: deal title or no title. I just feel like that

492
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 4: came off as a weird fail and maybe helped fuel

493
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Speaker 4: the argument that Fury was a lot closer in this

494
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Speaker 4: fight than he actually was. I didn't love that part

495
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Speaker 4: of it.

496
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Speaker 1: I didn't love that part of it. But I also

497
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: want to say this out right. It's I want to

498
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Speaker 1: be clear about what argument I'm making. Maybe you feel differently,

499
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like, at least on this issue,

500
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Speaker 1: I do think Fury, in certain important respects boxed better.

501
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: You can't look at this performance BC and say Fury

502
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: didn't learn any lessons from the first fight. I just

503
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: don't see how you can look at this and say, oh,

504
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: he picked up on nothing. There was no meaningful difference.

505
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: He didn't try anything different again, all the way down

506
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Speaker 1: to his facial appearance, which I know was some measure

507
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: of controversy, his weight. We talked about his spatial awareness

508
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: and ring generalship. He got bullied a little bit as

509
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: the fight went on, especially in round eleven. I thought

510
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: he got really bullied. But in general relative to the

511
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: first fight, did a much better job about maintaining effective

512
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Speaker 1: positioning again relative to the first fight in this one. However,

513
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Speaker 1: with all of that being said, while that was a

514
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Speaker 1: very commendable performance against a super unenviable challenge, there is

515
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Speaker 1: no oh, I'm sorry, a scorecard for Tyson Fury is

516
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: a fucking joke. It's a joke. Sorry, take it him

517
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: shoving up your ass. I don't agree with the AI

518
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: judge that had, you know, I think they gave Fury

519
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: at most two. I think ye, that's a little on

520
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: the extreme side. And then two of those rounds they

521
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: had is like ten ten rounds, which is us a

522
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: little strange. Again, we'll talk about that a little bit later,

523
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: but I do think that one sixteen one to twelve

524
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: is more than fair BC had at one seventeen one eleven. Again,

525
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Speaker 1: is that within the realm of I think reasonable it is.

526
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Speaker 1: I could see as much as seven to five four.

527
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: You can give five fourish five ish rounds for Tyson Fury.

528
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Speaker 1: There is no possible way to find him six and

529
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: there is certainly BC absolutely no way possible if you

530
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Speaker 1: have even a remotely functioning mammalian brain that you can

531
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Speaker 1: find seven rounds for Tyson Fury. That is cope, that

532
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: is fan fiction. It did not happen. Tyson Fury lost

533
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: it cleanly, even if I can admit he thought an

534
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: improved and admirable performance.

535
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Speaker 4: And let's just remind everyone who are the people that

536
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: are saying the most prominently publicly that Tyson won. Just

537
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: to reiterate, it's the British broadcasting team that the Zone used.

538
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: It's Anthony Joshua who was scoring the fight and wanted

539
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: Fury to win. It was Eddie Hearn who didn't have

540
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: a dog in the fight, but was sitting next to

541
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 4: who the co promoters of Fury, Bob Aaron and Frank Warren,

542
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: who also had it for Fury. So did Oscar de

543
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 4: la Hoya, who they interviewed live in front of the

544
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 4: arena and said he had Fury up three rounds at

545
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 4: a point where most people had husick ahead. So I

546
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: think it was the wrong people. I'm glad what you said,

547
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: Ousik the rightful winner, Luke. Will we see this fight again?

548
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: Will we see this series continue again? Despite the two

549
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 4: zero nature here of Usik. That's a question I have

550
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 4: only you can answer.

551
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: Right now, we're going to get to that a little

552
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: bit later. That's going to be question number three. But

553
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah. But in general, this is why I like

554
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: the fight BC. I think you found it. It wasn't

555
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: a thriller. It was it was a thriller.

556
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: It was a technical thriller. In my opinion.

557
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Speaker 1: It was edge of your seat for a long time.

558
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: But I can't put those score cards up one more time.

559
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: Put them up if you can. I mean, it's hard

560
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: for me to look at everything from round six on,

561
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: and I understand just because someone wins all those rounds

562
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: doesn't mean the rounds weren't close. In fact, that's not

563
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. What I am saying to you, though,

564
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: is amidst all of this, it is hard for me

565
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: to look at scores like that. Thank you, buddy, I

566
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and then come to the conclusion that this

567
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: had ebbs and flows. There were times when Fury was

568
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: able to kind of wrestle back a moment score and

569
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: Aaron shot again. He had a couple of good uppercuts

570
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: to the body, I thought from round five on before

571
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: he got taken away. But this one didn't have the

572
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: up and the down and the swings. It didn't have

573
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Speaker 1: that one for that reason because it was just one

574
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: guy sitting across country pace on another one, it was

575
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: anti climactic is not the word, but thriller seems a

576
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: little aggressive.

577
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: I think, well, all right, I mean I'll argue it

578
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 4: all day, but uh, I was entertained by the high

579
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: level skill the PoTA.

580
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely absolutely entertained.

581
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, meaning everything across the board. Dude, can we say

582
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 4: anything bad about usik?

583
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 6: Does?

584
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 4: He seem to win every category, every conversation. He's hilarious,

585
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: he's humble, he gives respect, he's a family guy, he's

586
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: a man of God. He's all these things that maybe

587
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: I'm looking for in an extreme athlete. What can we

588
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: say negative about this guy? Luke, He's kind of stole

589
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: this era in some ways, Like he just he's the

590
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: train that keeps climbing. Man, he's thirty seven years old.

591
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: Look at the shape he was in heavyweights. Don't fight

592
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 4: at this pace. It's just insane. Man, I'm so humbled

593
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: by this performance.

594
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Speaker 1: It's kind to me. It is always really interesting though,

595
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: Like the very very very best guys I've ever see now,

596
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: Bud Crawford just putting Eryl Spence to waste is a

597
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: little bit of an exception to this, and you know,

598
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: obviously Usik has had some dynamic performances as well. But

599
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: I don't say this has any kind of downside. I

600
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: actually think it's kind of like an interesting experiment. There

601
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: are guys that are much more devastating punchers, obviously, and

602
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: then there are guys who are good boxers and better finishers.

603
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: But the guys who have that like really generational next

604
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: level skill, they're not super dynamic finishers. They're not super aggressive,

605
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: agro guys, the kind of thing that you would really

606
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: sort of paint as maybe your model boxer. It turns

607
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: out that when you actually get in the real world

608
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: what the very best boxer looks like, he is or

609
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: she But in this particular case, he he is measured,

610
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Speaker 1: He is thoughtful, crafty, tuned in, extremely dialed in with

611
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: their fundamentals. Right. But they're not necessarily hardcore punchers, they're

612
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily dynamic finishers. They're not really any of the

613
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: things that we would tend to associate with being true

614
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: prowess in some certain respects in boxing. It's all the

615
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: things that lead from here out, not from here down,

616
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: so to speak. Right, kind of an interesting twist.

617
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.

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00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: All right, topic number two. So now we have an

619
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Speaker 1: interesting conversation to have about Usik beyond that, namely, where

620
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: does he rank all time? So let's go through this

621
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: for just a second. He was the, among other accolades,

622
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: the twenty twelve Olympic gold medalist. He cleaned out cruiserweight

623
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: and obviously has remained undefeated and now heavyweight again the

624
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: entire time hasn't lost a fight in his professional record. So, BC,

625
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: there are three ways we can ask this question, and

626
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask him for all three Where does

627
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: he rank all time among cruiser weights? Where does he

628
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: ran all time among heavyweights? And if you can hazard

629
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: a guess? And I realize the bigger that we go

630
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: with this question, the harder it becomes to discern. But

631
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: where does he rank all time among the best boxers ever? Yeah?

632
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: These are really hard conversations to have because it's not

633
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: an Apple's Taples comparison. Boxing is. It's weird. Maybe in

634
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: some ways it's easier to compare in different eras than

635
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: other sports where the rule changes so much affect you

636
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: know what you're seeing statistically, But you know, boxing like

637
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 4: this guy's got twenty three fights. How can you actively

638
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: accurately compare that to somebody who had, you know, one

639
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: hundred and fourteen and did so many great things and

640
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: was fighting every other month. That is the hardest part

641
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: to to compare erra wise. But let's talk this through.

642
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: Even though cruiserweight has rarely been a sexy division in

643
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: boxing and many eras since it's you know, relatively recent creation,

644
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: it has been kind of dead or featuring exclusively guys

645
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 4: from other countries that we may not be in tune

646
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: with at the States. I just want to point out

647
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: that the cruiserweight division Usik went through is arguably the

648
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: deepest that division has ever been in thanks to the

649
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: structure of that World Boxing Super Series tournament at that time,

650
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 4: he literally had to go through every unbeaten champion in

651
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: order to acquire all the belts. So when Usik's cruiserweight

652
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: career ended with that brilliant knockout of Tony bell U,

653
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: there really was a feeling from historians that we were

654
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: looking at maybe the greatest cruiserweight of all time, or

655
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 4: if not, maybe second to Evander Holyfield. So that's first

656
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: and foremost showing you what he's accomplished there. I think. Secondly,

657
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: he's got seven heavyweight fights. How are you going to

658
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: compare in terms of greatness in terms of accomplishments seven

659
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: heavyweight fights to twenty five heavyweight title defenses from Joe

660
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: Lewis right, you just can't do it. So can I

661
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: accurately and confidently put Usick in a top ten heavyweight

662
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: frame and try to compare that perfectly? No, it's it

663
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: is difficult, to be very fair, but the last five

664
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 4: fights of this seven fight heavyweight rain have been absolutely ridiculous.

665
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: To go into two title fights against a unified champion

666
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: in aj, take some damage and win, you know, close

667
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 4: but clearly two tough decisions, then knock out Daniel Dubois

668
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: before his own you know, rejuvenation to become a title holder,

669
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: and then do this back to back at this age

670
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: to fury. Look, one thing I can say, it's obviously

671
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: special and unique. The track record at heavyweight is so

672
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: small that you almost have to have this discussion more

673
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: in a larger scale of where does he fit in

674
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: sort of pound for pound? Again, never easy to do,

675
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: especially with how many belts there are these days, which

676
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 4: can really inflate somebody's worth compared to back in the

677
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: day where there was eight divisions and one champion per division.

678
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 4: But with all that long talking said, if you don't

679
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: think after this fight that he's not one of the

680
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: greatest fighters of all time, that if he's not in

681
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 4: the discussion of greatest fight or this century of this

682
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 4: era along with and it really depends on how are

683
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 4: we blocking off the eras. If we're talking about this century,

684
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 4: then you're talking about Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Canelo Alvarez,

685
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: maybe Niowa Innue when it's all said and done, and

686
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: oh yeah, Usik belongs in that category. But look, I

687
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: think the most interesting conversation we can have about Usik

688
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 4: from a heavyweight ranking standpoint is simply from that mythical

689
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: matchmaking point of view, or just from the point of

690
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 4: view of pure skill. Remember, he's doing this in the

691
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 4: super heavyweight era, where yes, we can quibble and argue

692
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: and say, would this era be as competitive in the

693
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: seventies or the nineties, the two greatest heavyweight aras of

694
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: all time. I think this is the third best heavyweight

695
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: era of all time. Other people say, hey man, these

696
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: guys may be fun to look at and watch and

697
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: they're charismatic. But I don't know about that. But you

698
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: can only fight who is in your era. This era

699
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 4: is much more difficult and deep than the one Vladimir

700
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: Klitschko went through. Just by comparison, I think that Usik

701
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: is among the most skilled heavyweights of all time, and

702
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 4: at six foot three, which makes them small for this

703
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 4: era but perfect for any other. Do the mythical matchmaking

704
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: in your head. He takes away everything you're good at.

705
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 4: He fights at an incredible pace, He's got a ridiculous chin,

706
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: a daring nature, fights for his country like seemed to

707
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: be about the right things, dude, you want to do

708
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 4: any kind of mythical thing. He belongs in these conversations.

709
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: We are watching all time greatness right now. But because

710
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: of the fact that he only has twenty three fights

711
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: and he's been on the upward build and not hanging

712
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: around in one division for too long. It comes down

713
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 4: to whether you're gonna take his small sample of greatness

714
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: and compare it against somebody who's done a lot more

715
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 4: for more Hall of famers. It's never gonna be perfect,

716
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 4: So looke, that's a long way of not giving you

717
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: an answer at all, but it is a way of saying,

718
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 4: however you want to frame it, this guy's the goods.

719
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: He's of that ilk. Right, I've met the criteria, Isaiah Thomas.

720
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: I have some specific answers. I think as you get bigger,

721
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: it's a little harder to get. But let me tell

722
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: you where I'm at. So one thing that you said

723
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: was he's an all time great. I think by any

724
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: standard this is inarguable, and Steven Bredman Edwards made a point.

725
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: You can debate who he would win against, who he

726
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 1: would lose against, but he's competing. He's competing against any

727
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: heavyweight ever. That's a fact. That's not a fucking opinion.

728
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: That's a fact he can compete against. Listen to exactly

729
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: what I am saying. Olexander Usak can compete and potentially beat,

730
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: but certainly at a bare minimum, compete against any of

731
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: the top heavyweights ever. That's the kind of guy we're

732
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: talking about here. Whether you think you would beat him

733
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: or not, certainly we'll never know. But that's the level

734
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: of skill we're talking about. As we narrow it down cruiserweight,

735
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: he is at worst the second best cruiserweight of all

736
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: time and arguably number one, so he's either one or

737
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: two at cruiserweight. At heavyweight, it becomes a really difficult

738
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: assignment BC for many of the reasons that you raised.

739
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: You've got guys like Ali Lewis Frasier, fifty plus fights,

740
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: sixty plus fights, you know, rains over a division for

741
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: long periods of time, which is in some ways I

742
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: think you can appreciate. I know the fans as well.

743
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: If you just think about the UFC side having a

744
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: title and holding it and then accepting all the contenders,

745
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to do over a long period of

746
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: time versus I'm gonna go up to one way class.

747
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a short burst at it, relatively speaking.

748
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: And again, that short burst he made is insanely good,

749
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: but it's only a short burst. It's Chas Witherspoon. It's

750
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: no was that cruiser weight or not? I was heavyweightspoon,

751
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah, the late replacement and then Shazora and

752
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: then he was off to the races after that. So

753
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: you get the point I'm trying to make. It's a

754
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: short amount of work. So in that sense, it's a

755
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: little harder to say, but I think in terms of

756
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: what it does mean to beat Fury twice. What it

757
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: does mean to beat Joshua twice, What it does mean

758
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 1: to beat Dubois, three of the very best of this era.

759
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: I I think somewhere top twenty, top twenty five heavyweights

760
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: of all time is probably a fair discussion. I don't

761
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: even tend to.

762
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: Twenty if you're keeping the pump for pound angle in there,

763
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 4: because think about what he did with a fifty five

764
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 4: pound weight disadvantage Like this is ridiculous. This is the

765
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 4: definition of pound for pound.

766
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: It's true. I mean again, he was what to twenty ish,

767
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: This guy was a fucking you know, right, He's he's

768
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: essentially staying at cruiserweight for these bat matches and then

769
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: letting the guys have these significant weight advantages. So I

770
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: think somewhere in there is probably best. It's gonna be

771
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: hard to get him to go past the Foreman's and

772
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: the Alis and honestly even his fellow Ukrainian Klitschko Vladimir,

773
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: who held the titles and unified them for long periods

774
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: of time. Right, this is a very very difficult guy

775
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: to on seat based on the length and the depth

776
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: of that resume. Once you get to the question of

777
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: like all boxers. Well, that becomes really difficult to say,

778
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: so BC, let me throw this out. We're talking every

779
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: box or ever. Where would Usik fit again hard to say,

780
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna ask where is he? No worse than right,

781
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: No worse than top seventy five all time, yes, no

782
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: worse right, and maybe even better than that. Yes, no, right,

783
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: this is what we're talking about of the millions of people.

784
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: Look at this sort of like way in which you

785
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: can understand his resume. He was the WBA Cruiserweight Champion,

786
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: the WBC Cruiserweight Champion, IBF, WBO, Ring Magazine, and then

787
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: he did it all again at heavyweight and BC. Something

788
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: to keep in mind here. By the time he had

789
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: his first real title, which was the WBO cruiserweight title,

790
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: which he won in twenty sixteen, he fought the Polish

791
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: opponent for it in Poland. He then fought his next

792
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: fight in California. He then fought locally against Michael Hunter

793
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: in Oxenhill, Maryland. He then fought in Germany. He then

794
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: fought in Latvia against Britus.

795
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: And ase you're all his opponents backyards literally right.

796
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: Then he fought Gassiev, a Russian in Moscow. Then he

797
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: fought Tony Bellu in Manchester. Then he beat Chas Witherspoon

798
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and again there was some issue there by

799
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: the replacement. But he beat Derek Chazora in London, Anthony

800
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: Joshua in Tottenham Hotspur, which is in London. Then the

801
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Neutralish territory of so to speak of Saudi Arabia, when

802
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: he wins there, he then goes back to the grind

803
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: BC and beats Daniel Dubois in Poland, not not Ukraine,

804
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: then two times more in Saudi Arabia. This guy, from

805
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: the moment he was fighting championship level fights, never one

806
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: fucking time had hometown advantage, and in fact most of

807
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 1: the time was handing that over to his in many

808
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: cases b side opponents in certain ways. Of course he

809
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: was beside certain times, but you get the idea. This

810
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: guy has done all of this without any of the

811
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: benefit of the trimmings that a lot of other A

812
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: sides typically enjoy, whether it's a commission familiar with them,

813
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: judges that are familiar with them again, people who are

814
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: of the same nationality in the same country, in the

815
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: same city. He had absolutely none of that. In BC,

816
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: there was this narrative last week about Usick, you know,

817
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: being uh, everyone wanted Fury to win to make the trilogy,

818
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: And some people might think that that's overstated or not.

819
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: But here's one point I wanted to make. It's not

820
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: to me that boxing ever conspired to like not let

821
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Usik get to the front of the line. I don't

822
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: think that's quite right. They did. They did. They were

823
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: not hostile to him in general in that way. But

824
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: what you can say, very matter of factly from looking

825
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: at the places where all these title fights happened, among

826
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: any other number of criteria, he was never the favorite son. No,

827
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: he was not the guy that boxing illuminaries and power

828
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: players designated as somebody that they had kind of had

829
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: their eye on, as we're gonna put all our eggs

830
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: on a basket for this guy. We really believe in

831
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: this guy. He had to take the throne of power

832
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: by blood, against unenviable circumstances and in certain cases extremely

833
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: difficult opposition, all while having to do it uphill guys.

834
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: Wherever you rank him, it will be another twenty years,

835
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: another thirty years before you see a guy quite this good.

836
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: You just nailed it, and you think about not being

837
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: the favorite son you think about. You know, a lot

838
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 4: of people didn't see his cruiserweight run. Why because it

839
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 4: wasn't For the most part, it was not American television.

840
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: It was like this guy was, you know, in the shadows.

841
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 4: But like I said, fighting killer, undefeated cruiserweight champions one

842
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: after another. It's remarkable what he's done. I mean, I

843
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 4: wonder if he was American or British, if he would

844
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 4: be a worldwide star, you know, way before this because

845
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: of the success in the ring, the way he carries himself,

846
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: how hilarious he can be. But that on the flip side,

847
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 4: can be all about his god, family, country, be on

848
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: the front lines with soldiers in Ukraine. I mean, it

849
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 4: really is an absolutely remarkable run that I'm so happy

850
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: he finally getting the close up for. But he also

851
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 4: from a business standpoint, had to navigate it definitely, just

852
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: the same he had to sign with Matchroom to get

853
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 4: in position to face Anthony Joshua for the Unified Crown.

854
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 4: He had to co promote himself with that Saudi Arabian promotion.

855
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: He was the first big fighter to really do that

856
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 4: to get himself in line to try to get the

857
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 4: Tyson Fury fight, because remember Tyson Fury kind of pushed

858
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 4: this fight off for a little more than a year,

859
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: for a long time, saying that Usik's not a big

860
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: enough name, he's small, he's this, he's a rabbit, he's

861
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: all this stuff. It took a while. We thought there

862
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 4: were periods with this fight wasn't gonna happen. So, whether

863
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: it only happened because of Turkey or not, Usik the

864
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: right place, the right time, the right guy for the job,

865
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: you said twenty thirty forty years, I don't know if

866
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: you're ever going to see another career exactly like this.

867
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: It's been brilliantly perfect, and it hasn't been selective matchmaking.

868
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: It hasn't been this. It's been who's the next best

869
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 4: in the world? Where do I have to go? Who

870
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 4: do I have to sign with? Country do I need

871
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 4: to fly to? And I will show you who cares

872
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 4: about the size, who cares about anything I feel? Do

873
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 4: not worry, Do not be afraid. I will not leave

874
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: you alone. I mean these are now, in hindsight, almost

875
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 4: triple G style one liners that we as American fans,

876
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: you know, get all behind but like in every category,

877
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: quietly behind the scenes, this guy has built a dream legacy.

878
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: I mean, look, is there is there an argument to

879
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: be made historically to have him higher than the other

880
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: heroes of this era, than above Mayweather, Pacquiao and Canelo.

881
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: I mean, not as many fights, not as many you know,

882
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 4: pay per view main events and big blockbusters, not as

883
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: many titles and as many divisions as those three, but

884
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 4: perfection from start to finish.

885
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. You just never saw Usak

886
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: go face down like Pakiao did when he fought Marquez,

887
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, let me ask you

888
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: how many times has Usik touched the canvas? Do you know?

889
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Not many? Right, gotta be less long?

890
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 4: Trying to think of even one.

891
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: Here, I'm not sure how many times he's ever touched

892
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: the canvas.

893
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 4: They had a glove touched the canvas once on the rise.

894
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think right here, but that I can't

895
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: figure it out is answers it right?

896
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, some of these other guys you mentioned, this is

897
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, it's hard to compare across

898
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: eras it's hard to compare across weight classes. But I've

899
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: this guy more than anybody, and not even because it's

900
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: not even a close second. This guy reminds me of

901
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: what Mayweather did times a million. Like it just there's

902
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: to me. He is absolutely the heir to the kind

903
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: of boxing dominance, the specific strain that Mayweather was able

904
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: to employ. But the difference is Mayweather got a lot

905
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: of criticism, some of it unfair, some of it fair

906
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: about getting guys pre or post prime, not like crazy

907
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: post prime, but like.

908
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 4: Just a little bit off, always advantageous.

909
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, Usik doing the exact fucking opposite. Yes, doing

910
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. It's insane to me what he's been

911
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: able to achieve. It like it's hard to even quantify

912
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: because there's so much depth to it when you really

913
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: begin to think about how he was able to use

914
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: boxing's architecture to build what he's built, but having to

915
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: do so frankly, the hard way. He just was unstoppable.

916
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: Quite literally, he has been unstoppable, a hard number.

917
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 4: One when you're a heavyweight, since the whole system was

918
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: created as a way to compare non heavyweight you know, essentially,

919
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 4: and then he's holding number one at the same time

920
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 4: that Bud Crawford in a new way have accomplished what

921
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: they have in the last twenty four months. That's telling

922
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: you something.

923
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Huge right there. Yeah, it truly is all right. So

924
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: with that in mind, BC, it now brings up a

925
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: question for topic number three, which is where the hell

926
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: do we go from here? Now? It could be retirement

927
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: for both guys, maybe Usik continues, maybe fear It continues, BC,

928
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: before I ask you the question about where are we

929
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: going to go with this Turkey Alashk who of course

930
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: was present for these and is obviously an architect of

931
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: a lot of these fights. What he thinks, whether we

932
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: like it or not, matters, and he was asked afterwards

933
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: about what he thinks will be next for both guys,

934
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: or at a bare minimum, what he wants to see next,

935
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: and this is what he said next.

936
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 4: I want if de Bois, if Dubois when in February.

937
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 4: I want to see Os and Dibois game again.

938
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: That would be fantastic.

939
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 4: And I want to see Tyson maybe with Joshua or something.

940
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: We would decide. I was going to say, just very quickly.

941
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: I just spoke to Eddie harn. We know that we've all,

942
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: as British boxing fans, we've been desperate to see Anthony,

943
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: Joshua and Tyson Field.

944
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 4: See, let's see what can happen?

945
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: Do you think it's realistic? Everything else is that it

946
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: is absolutely look everything, please don't behead me. Okay, BC,

947
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: what what will happen? What should happen? Give me the

948
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: road ahead for both gentlemen.

949
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 4: Well, even though Daniel Dubois didn't read the room and

950
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 4: crashed the party like an ogre and was like, girv

951
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: me my rematch during Usik's sort of moment of trying

952
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 4: to hear the translation when they're just asking him, you

953
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: know about winning right there, his response was hilarious, doing

954
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 4: the how do you say, Turkey ala Chik, make this

955
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: fight next? He said afterwards in the press conference that

956
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: he's going to continue. He'll fight whoever Turkey wants for him.

957
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 4: So we are setting ourselves up nicely. Daniel Dubois on

958
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 4: February twenty second, at that absolutely loaded better Bfbvall two

959
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 4: card is going to fight Joseph Parker, the former champions,

960
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 4: a very legitimate fight. But if Dubois wins, and he

961
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 4: will be favored to since he has turned himself into

962
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: an absolute psychopath destroyer. I mean, just remember if Usak

963
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: hadn't won on Saturday cementing the Fighter of the Year

964
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 4: ballot ahead of people like in a way Baan Rodriguez,

965
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 4: et cetera, Daniel Dubois would have rightfully been your Fighter

966
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: of the Year. So Duboa versus Usik two, given the

967
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 4: controversy of the body shot, knocked down or knock out

968
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 4: that Dubois thought he had in the first fight, is

969
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: very viable. I think it's a different fight now given

970
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 4: Duboi's new demeanor. He did gas out late against Usik

971
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: and got stopped, but it's a different man right now,

972
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: so that'll be happening on one side of the bracket.

973
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 4: The loser's bracket is this you know, gift that we're

974
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: gonna get and it doesn't need a title. It's Anthony

975
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 4: Joshua versus Tyson fury. And whether it happens in riad

976
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: season in Saudi or you put it probably where it belongs,

977
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: you know, a Wembley stadium with as many people as

978
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 4: you can pack in there. That's obviously a sort of

979
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: UK generational fight that was going to happen in some

980
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 4: form regardless, but it's also in my opinion, going to

981
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 4: play a big role in terms of once Usik gets

982
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: through the winner of Dubois versus Parker, who might have next.

983
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: So I don't think we're done personally with this Usik

984
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 4: Versus Fury series. I think we get to a trilogy.

985
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 4: I think it's completely deserved, given how close Tyson Fury

986
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 4: fought in the first two. Obviously he would have to

987
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: get through Joshua to get there. But I don't see

988
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 4: him stepping away either, because I thought for as much

989
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 4: as there were elements of sour grapes to Fury not

990
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 4: doing the post fight interview, you know, walking away in

991
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 4: the tunnel as the cameras were saying, and he thought

992
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 4: he was three rounds ahead. If you really listen to

993
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: him in the post fight press conference, there wasn't as

994
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 4: much of what he did in the first fight, saying, hey,

995
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 4: fair play to Usik, but if Ukraine wasn't in war,

996
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: the judges wouldn't escort it for me. He didn't go

997
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 4: that range. He just said, look, I don't know what

998
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 4: else I can do. I fought as best as I could,

999
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: I trained as best as I could, and I think

1000
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: I won both fights. I think that stance in the

1001
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 4: fact that there are people who believe these are so close,

1002
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 4: like Spinx versus Holmes one and two. I think it

1003
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: gets us back to these two potentially seeing each other again.

1004
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: But even though this is very much nearing the end

1005
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: of this renaissance heavyweight era, which did start in twenty

1006
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: fifteen one Fury upset Clitch Go and we did get

1007
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 4: almost every matchup we wanted it or deserved, with the

1008
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: exception of AJ versus Wilder, And you can always argue

1009
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 4: whether that was Al Hayman's fault for not letting Wilder

1010
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 4: at that time accept that huge offer of one hundred

1011
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 4: million from his own for three fights, two of them

1012
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 4: against AJ, and we never got Wilder versus U Sik.

1013
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 4: But that's fine, it's not relevant anymore. We've gotten almost

1014
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 4: everything we've wanted and now we have the promise. In

1015
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 4: my opinion of more, Martin Bacoli is still lingering. There's

1016
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 4: still a couple guys with name and known, you know,

1017
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: Julai zag I mean, we are at an exciting time

1018
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 4: right now. You saw Moses Atalma in the Comain event.

1019
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 4: It's just nineteen years old with a big breakthrough knockout

1020
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 4: at heavyweight. Turkey loves the heavyweights. I think he understands

1021
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: that that's the way you get boxing back to the

1022
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 4: extreme prominence. I actually think in totality this week Turkey

1023
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 4: gave a great performance in my opinion from the Ring

1024
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: Magazine relaunch. In the gala, we didn't have any ch

1025
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: camery with the scoring for Fury, even though we had

1026
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: some questions coming in. I think, all in all, heavyweights

1027
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: in a great place, even with these aging legends, you know,

1028
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: getting older by the day, and I think we might

1029
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: end up back at Usik Fury three.

1030
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: Luke, what about you? I don't have any interest in

1031
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: a third fight.

1032
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 4: Well, not tomorrow, but if they eliminate the other players,

1033
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 4: including Dubois and aj from you know, being in line

1034
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 4: to get that title. I mean, wouldn't you like to

1035
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 4: see do Usik versus Bocoli one day? I mean, there's

1036
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 4: some fights to make here.

1037
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: No, I don't have any interest in seeing that none.

1038
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 4: All right, well, hey, Luke, what are you into?

1039
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: Then?

1040
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 4: Well, okay, then let me tell you your search history

1041
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 4: please in depth?

1042
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: Is it may rhyme with Schmazers? I don't know. Let's

1043
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: start with the other direction, because I think the more

1044
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: interesting conversation to me is actually not about Usik. He

1045
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: could retire b seen. We just said that, like he's

1046
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: one of the best to ever freaking do it. I

1047
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: mean I don't. It's not that I don't want to

1048
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: see him, it's but I don't. I have a very

1049
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'm going different than other

1050
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: Fight fans. Once a guy is as accomplished as Usik,

1051
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: and again we're talking about a very rare breed, but

1052
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: once they are as accomplished, I get diminishing returns when

1053
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: they keep going, especially when like the really relevant hills

1054
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: have been conquered. That's not to say that their matchups

1055
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: don't couldn't change things or again, Bocoli is a puncher.

1056
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: That that is something that is you have to take seriously.

1057
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: But just given what he's accomplished, he did he beat

1058
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: the game. I mean he truly, truly truly beat the game. Now,

1059
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: the one exception to that would be Dubois. I want

1060
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: to circle back to that in a second. But the

1061
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: one that is actually interesting to me is what they

1062
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: do with Fury Fury versus AJ. They missed a window

1063
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: the British public, the fighters themselves, to really make that

1064
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: a thing before Usik ever came along. And I think

1065
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: it would have been a much bigger deal, like who's

1066
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: the real face not just of the heavyweight division BC,

1067
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: but British boxing more generally at.

1068
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 4: That or even in all of boxing. If you're really talking,

1069
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 4: it's Canelo and those two.

1070
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: Right, great point, absolutely, like there was a window in

1071
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: time they could have had that. A bunch of that

1072
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: has been lost. Like a bunch of that has been lost. However,

1073
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: if you for MMA fans watching, there's a lot of nostalgia,

1074
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: for example, around Chuck eventually Lodell fighting Vanderley Silva in

1075
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: the UFC. I have to tell you, when that fight

1076
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: was made, there were a lot of concerns and gribes

1077
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: from people that like it was a little bit past

1078
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: its due date, that was a fight that should have

1079
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: happened in Pride. That's why Chuck went over to Pride.

1080
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: And you know, now they're doing it late and it

1081
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: ended up being pretty good, and now folks look back

1082
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: on it like it's a really historically relevant fight. I

1083
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: could tell you in real time that was not exactly

1084
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: how it was perceived, but it kind of shows you

1085
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: what the lesson is here. BC, even if they've lost

1086
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: the window to make what AJ versus Fury could have

1087
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: been and maybe should have been. It's still a hot

1088
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: ass ticket. Yeah, that is still something. I don't give

1089
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: a shit what stadium they want to do that in

1090
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: the UK. It's going to to be gigantic.

1091
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: YEA.

1092
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 4: I ended knockout either way.

1093
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: To be exactly, it's competitive. It's probably gonna be thrilling.

1094
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: Both guys are vulnerable to degrees that Usik is simply not.

1095
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: It might even be for the casual fan and even

1096
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: us too a better overall fight. Surely, BC, that's the

1097
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: fight to make. But I want to ask this question

1098
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: to you, what would be the reason that wouldn't get made?

1099
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: Because it seems to me it's a promotional layup.

1100
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 4: There's no reason it will be next. Like everyone wants it.

1101
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 4: They've wanted it, they've basically been waiting for an excuse

1102
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 4: to do it. There was even a time when Fury

1103
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 4: was trying to figure out how to extend the Usik

1104
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 4: fight even more to slide in AJ, but AJ, I

1105
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: think was not the right point at that time, and

1106
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 4: maybe coming off a loss, I mean, it's always been

1107
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 4: in conversation, so it will be next. And it almost

1108
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 4: reminds me even though it's not a perfect comparison, but

1109
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 4: to Bowl holy Field three. Obviously, that was the third

1110
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 4: and final meeting in one of the most historic trilogies,

1111
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 4: but it was the only one that wasn't a title fight.

1112
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: At the point where both had already been champion, there

1113
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 4: were some questions about do they still have it, and

1114
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: that turned out to be one of the wildest heavyweight

1115
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 4: fights of the great nineteen nineties, in which both were

1116
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 4: down and you know, Holyfield was still battling what we

1117
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 4: thought was old age in a weak heart, but really

1118
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: it was hepatitis, and you would have these flushes of

1119
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: energy and momentum, and it was this absolute war. That's

1120
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 4: kind of inevitably what Fury and aj at this age

1121
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 4: will be. They're both kind of wounded and or vulnerable,

1122
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: as you mentioned, so it will be next. It's one

1123
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 4: of the biggest fights you can make still in this

1124
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 4: entire sport. On the short list. You get riodd Season

1125
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 4: and Turkey involved, and they're gonna, you know, make you

1126
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 4: that movie trailer again and hopefully put it in a

1127
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: massive stadium. It's gonna be great. But Usik has not

1128
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: sounded at all Luke like he wants to go away.

1129
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 4: That's what that's the thing though, if you take it away.

1130
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: But let me stay with this one for just a

1131
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: second and we'll turn my attention to Usik. What would

1132
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: it happen under? Okay, if they put that fight in

1133
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, it seems like that'd be a travesty, But

1134
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: that's a real possibility. You can't exclude that. I don't

1135
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: think that they would, but one never knows. But more importantly,

1136
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: how bad would it be for their careers if that

1137
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: fight never gets made?

1138
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be bad. I'm just basically trying to say,

1139
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: there's no question that, in my opinion, that it doesn't

1140
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 4: get made, and it doesn't get made next. It's next.

1141
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 4: It's a giant, it's happening, it's coming. It's a coming attraction, Looke.

1142
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 4: There are no impediments to it.

1143
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: You don't have, You don't even have the slightest concern.

1144
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 1: It would no.

1145
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: Because not only do they both want it, not only

1146
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 4: is it the biggest fight both can make next financially,

1147
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: but they both seem to want back in on the

1148
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 4: title picture to some degree, and they got to go

1149
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: through each other to do it. It's perfect. We're set

1150
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 4: up even though it's the tail end of this era.

1151
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 4: Even though we feel like we kind of know who's

1152
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 4: who in this era, while there's going away, Joshua was

1153
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 4: not what he once was, et cetera, et cetera. There's

1154
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 4: still some unanswered questions. We still need du bois ou

1155
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 4: sick too. I still need to see what happens when

1156
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 4: aj and Fury meet. But they're all gonna survive and

1157
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 4: advance somebody, and we're gonna have another undisputed payoff at

1158
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 4: the end. I mean, that's the alert for me and

1159
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 4: Usik Duboa too, not just unfinished business, but it gets

1160
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 4: us back to the undisputed level. And hopefully Uncle Turkey

1161
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 4: can fix the issues with the sanctioning bodies too, so

1162
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 4: we don't have to do stuff like this anymore.

1163
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: All right, So now to the other side, I am

1164
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: totally cool if Usik wants to come back and do

1165
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: one more with Dubois. I think that is fine. We

1166
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: already know the controversy of the perceived low blowbc's out

1167
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: how you would call it something like that, But.

1168
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 4: It sounds like you're trying to retire this gentleman, where

1169
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 4: he's not trying to retire himself.

1170
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: He's not. He doesn't sound like he is. He sounds

1171
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: like he still has an active interest, but I cannot

1172
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: imagine it goes on for too much longer, although I

1173
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: guess I could be wrong about that. One never knows.

1174
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: He's a weird dude, right, I mean, if nothing else,

1175
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: Usik has always marched to the beat of his own drum.

1176
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: He's got his own idea about things, and whatever they've been,

1177
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: they have been proven correct. Let's just be very very

1178
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: clear about that. My only concern is BC is like

1179
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: the self assessment, obviously, he's still good enough to be

1180
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: the very best that we have right now, and I

1181
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: think he should beat Dubla. And given that what Dublis

1182
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: has done against Anthony Joshua, I think the rematch is

1183
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: actually even more compelling. I'm all in on that. I guess.

1184
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to say, who would be an opponent

1185
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: after that that would be a meaningful contributor to his resume.

1186
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: Not like the guy wouldn't be tough or it wouldn't

1187
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: be you know, there would be some value in watching

1188
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: it for entertainment sake, But you beat Dubla twice, that

1189
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: would make it unified. You beat Joshua twice, you beat

1190
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: while there's not eligible Ruiz forget about it, Like that's

1191
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: that's the game. The whole game is that, Like I

1192
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: don't understand.

1193
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 4: What I got you, but but they got that nineteen

1194
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: year old who's coming up and making noise. You got

1195
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 4: put cold. He looked awesome by the way, Jay Opataiyah

1196
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 4: and never eventually is going to come up. And also

1197
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 4: there's also the possibility that Husick may say, if Opataia

1198
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 4: continues to extend the idea that he's the best cruiserweight

1199
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 4: in the world, maybe they do that again at cruiserweight.

1200
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, not gonna linger around forever

1201
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 4: and just take whoever's coming next. But there are a

1202
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 4: couple matchups left. Did you hear by the way during

1203
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 4: Thursday's ring gala ceremony that they ran on his own

1204
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 4: there one of those British announcers saw Francis and Ghanu

1205
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 4: in the crowd and was like, could we be saying

1206
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 4: Gano next against Pecoli in riodd season hits Africa? And

1207
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, who's been talking about that? Is this new

1208
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 4: I've missed out on that? Would you be down?

1209
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 7: Is in?

1210
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 4: Ghan who's still in play here, Luke, in your.

1211
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 1: Opinion, Yeah, yeah, I mean, but I think Beacoli would

1212
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: fuck him up.

1213
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 4: I do too.

1214
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: I love Big Francis, but I don't like that fight

1215
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: for him at all.

1216
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 4: I basically only want Big Francis against Deontay Wilder. That's

1217
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 4: where we're seriously, that's where we're at. That's where it' not.

1218
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: People hate this idea, but I love this idea. You

1219
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: gotta mix it up. You gotta do that one in

1220
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: m A gloves. I'm telling you, Oh no, just doing boxing.

1221
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: It's fine. Why Why why?

1222
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 4: Wilders washed as af and he doesn't seem to know it.

1223
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 4: He keeps saying that he's gonna come back and win

1224
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 4: the Heavywood Championship BC.

1225
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: To what extent is it a reasonable worry that Parker

1226
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: could beat Dubois.

1227
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 4: It's certainly in play. Parker is rejuvenated, he has He

1228
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 4: is a different fighter from his initial title reign. But

1229
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 4: if the Dubois from the Ergovich fight, from the Joshua fight,

1230
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 4: from whatever fight he had to close twenty twenty three

1231
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 4: that I'm misremembering right now, was it saying who was it?

1232
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 4: He is a new fighter. He is a destroyer right now.

1233
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 4: So I still think this Dubois is on the forward

1234
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 4: momentum to get himself back into a NUSK fight. But Luke,

1235
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 4: you gotta play, you gotta you gotta fight it out.

1236
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 4: Parker's got a chance in here. He's always been a

1237
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 4: smart boxer. He seems to be more offensive than he

1238
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 4: used to be. He's taking more chances, he's going after people,

1239
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 4: So this will be a very fun fight. Long Island

1240
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 4: looks saying, Jirell big baby Miller. Maybe we can slow

1241
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 4: the roll on that.

1242
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: Okay, let's pull him.

1243
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 4: That was the name. Oh sorry, that was the name.

1244
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 4: Thank you, long Aland that was the name.

1245
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: Yes, we haven't talked to him once about this fight.

1246
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: I'd love to pull him in here. Let's list. Let's

1247
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: speak your brain. First of all, you did not find

1248
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: any knockdowns for against Usik on his box wreck resume, correct, dude.

1249
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: If he's never been knocked down with that kind of

1250
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: resume against those kinds of child, that's fucking insane, dude.

1251
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: Because here's the issue. Canelo has been like drilled, you

1252
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's a chin issue for him. Usik.

1253
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: It's a chin issue. Partly it's a skill issue that

1254
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: he was able to avoid that fucking oh, sir, come

1255
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: back long on. Look, I'm not I'm not done with.

1256
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 4: You yet, I laugh.

1257
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 8: I mean I don't. I don't like to linger while

1258
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 8: you guys are talking.

1259
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, first of all, your impressions of the fight

1260
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: and what you want to see next.

1261
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 8: I scored it eight four real time.

1262
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: Uh, that's right.

1263
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 7: I thought the first like four rounds were pretty close.

1264
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 7: I think I had it to too after four. But yeah,

1265
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 7: Usik just way too good. What I want to see next?

1266
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: I agree.

1267
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 8: I think Fury Joshua was definitely the fight to make.

1268
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 7: As far as Usick, I guess du bois, but I

1269
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 7: think my boy Joseph Parker might come for the upset here.

1270
01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. Does anybody have a huge interest

1271
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: in Usik versus Parker. I'm not saying I hate it.

1272
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't love it.

1273
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 4: I mean a good name to have on there. If

1274
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 4: he gets him, it's a good name.

1275
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 7: And depending on how he beats Dubois. If he knocks

1276
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 7: out Dubois, then.

1277
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: S yeah, if he goes in there and starts his Dubai.

1278
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: By the way, go back to the Herkovic fight. Duboi

1279
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: gets hit. He gets hit, you know what I mean,

1280
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: Like that's a real thing, so you'd have to watch

1281
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: outmat dude. He's in the middle of this like incredibly

1282
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: triumphant moment and then ogre Hands just comes over and

1283
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: goes me Cookie, Cookie, Like, get the fuck off screen,

1284
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: what are you doing? That's the thing about Dublah, dude.

1285
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: He builds up like all this goodwill and then spends

1286
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: it in the worst way imaginably.

1287
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 4: He's kind of hilarious. His interviews are so weird. Do

1288
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 4: you see what they had him on the live broadcast.

1289
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 4: He gave me nothing like who's gonna win tonight? I

1290
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 4: don't even know what he said. It was just words.

1291
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: It just you know, dude, he's he's a different one.

1292
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: And who who is he signed to? Queensberry? Yeah, Queensberry,

1293
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: Frank Warren guy.

1294
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 4: All right, but it almost doesn't matter anymore. As Turkey

1295
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 4: said Luke in Riod Season, there's no like, what do

1296
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 4: you say, anything is possible.

1297
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: There's no like, just like Jesus Christ, all things are

1298
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: possible through Rice.

1299
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 4: Exactly. That's what I yeah, exactly, Okay, comparison right there.

1300
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: Okay, except for the AI judging, which we're gonna get

1301
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: to in a little bit. Anything else about this fight

1302
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: you want to cover, any other point you wanted to make.

1303
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 4: No, Oh, I'll dead wrong myself. Obviously, I was wrong

1304
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 4: in playing that video earlier this week of Usik from

1305
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 4: the first fight. I'd forgotten that they brought out the

1306
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 4: crucifix and that's what he kissed Luke. It wasn't a vape,

1307
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 4: it wasn't a breathing machine.

1308
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 1: So he thick news to me. I had never seen

1309
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 1: that before. I was like, wow, I didn't.

1310
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 4: I forgot that that ever happened. And then I was like, oh,

1311
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 4: yeah he did. Okay, there you go, So yeah, that's

1312
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 4: all I.

1313
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: Got for you. Okay, very good. Let's get them to

1314
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: topic number four. Let's turn our attention, if we can,

1315
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: not to be C's Cats, but to a little bit

1316
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: of mma BC. We now have reports that have confirmed

1317
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: for UFC Fight Night. I don't know what the name

1318
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: of it will be, but it'll be on March first.

1319
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: Looks like your main event is gonna be Brandon Reuval

1320
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: taking on Manel cop Royval obviously has kept his name

1321
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: relevant despite some setbacks, but with some great wins as well,

1322
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: and then Cop, most recently coming off that dramatic performance

1323
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: over Bruno Silva at UFC three ten. Now, BC, give

1324
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: me a your impressions of the fight, and B it

1325
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: has to be number one contender, But I want to

1326
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: talk about what the implications of that would be if

1327
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: Brandon Reuvill wins.

1328
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 4: Your reaction, Yeah, I think this is really good matchmaking

1329
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 4: because there is sort of a what are you going

1330
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 4: to do next? We think it's probably Kay car France

1331
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 4: for the belt for Pantosia, unless you bring down Figuredo

1332
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 4: or bring back Demetrius Johnson. The success that Pantosia has

1333
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 4: had speaks for itself, but we gotta figure out who's next.

1334
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 4: I thought you could have done the Moreno versus roy

1335
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 4: vaal rematch. Cop I think has a virtuos so performanced

1336
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: himself enough in that win over Bruno Silva to have

1337
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 4: a say in here, but maybe didn't deserve to cut

1338
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 4: the line, even though I was cheering for that because

1339
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 4: of the sort of unpredictable elements of entertainment that he

1340
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 4: brings to the table. But this is a very good

1341
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 4: style matchup in Mike, this is gonna be five wild

1342
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 4: rounds if it goes that long. I like that they're

1343
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 4: both gonna have to go through each other to really

1344
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 4: figure out who stands alone. I see some early odds

1345
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 4: here from Long Island. Luke, according to DraftKings As you

1346
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 4: have Cop minus one ninety eight roy Val plus one

1347
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 4: sixty four, which is interesting, Luke Thomas, to me, that's

1348
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 4: about right. Does do those odds reflect to you what

1349
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 4: we can expect when these two?

1350
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: I do think those odds are accurate. Again, they're partly

1351
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: a design to induce betting. But Royville is more well rounded,

1352
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: I think, or at least has more weapons in different

1353
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: dimensions beyond just striking. I think is maybe a better

1354
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: way to put that. Sure, but Cop, I think is quicker.

1355
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: I think is a better athlete. He's certainly a much

1356
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: better striker. We love rud Dog on the show, but

1357
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: we just got to call it like we see it.

1358
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: So I think Cop can kick.

1359
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 4: Though he can kick, he can put that thread out there, okay.

1360
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: And dude, he's battle tested, like at this point, truly

1361
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: fucking battle tested, and so you know he's seen what

1362
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: the mountaintop looks like. He understands what that, what that

1363
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: feels like. At this point so I think between his

1364
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: improvements and by the way he has his Triking has

1365
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: gotten much better. But so between that, his jiu jitsu

1366
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: is leaps and bounds better than Cops, There's no question

1367
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: about that. But I think Cop we saw like the

1368
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: physicality of his speed and his use of it and

1369
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: then the shot selection and his combination work that makes

1370
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: him dangerous. But at the same time, dude, he's got

1371
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: a little bit of Uncolia in him, you know where

1372
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: he's he doesn't on calve, doesn't show bote, but Uncle

1373
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: l Iv has these periods where he's like it just

1374
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: makes bad decisions. Cop is a little bit like that

1375
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: at times, usually servicing off of the fact that he

1376
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: can't stay focused on a task, and that leaves like val.

1377
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 4: You're calling menel kopa donk? Does he? He kind of

1378
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 4: has donk.

1379
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: At times and it's not like he's a donk all

1380
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: the time, but like, there are moments where I'm like, dude,

1381
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: stop doing the fucking moonwalk and finish this guy off.

1382
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,839
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Yeah, they're like shadow puppets

1383
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: on the wall and shit, and I'm like, guys, guys,

1384
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: please focus your brain and accomplish this task as best

1385
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: you can in an orderly and direct fashion that leaves

1386
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 1: openings for Reuval. There's absolutely no question about that in

1387
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: my mind. But b see, it brings up a couple

1388
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: of interesting situations. If Reuval wins, does he get the

1389
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 1: title shot? And also, what's happening to Kai Kara France? France?

1390
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: How every want to say it? What? What's happening to Franz?

1391
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: What what's happening to Franz?

1392
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 4: I think Franz is getting the title shot? I think

1393
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 4: my question to you is what's happening with Brandon Moreno?

1394
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't somebody's gonna be left out.

1395
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 4: I mean, do you think if Royval beats a streaking

1396
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 4: cop right now, that he automatically gets the shot at Pintosili?

1397
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 4: Never forget he lost to Pantoja twice. That hurts him,

1398
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 4: but he was very competitive in that rematch. I think

1399
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 4: with some adjustments he can certainly be right back in that.

1400
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 4: But will they grant him that or are they just

1401
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 4: looking for him to eliminate cop from the set, you know,

1402
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 4: from the standings here.

1403
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: Or for cops to eliminate him, because as you indicated,

1404
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: Rerouville sitting at one, Moreno's sitting at two. We don't

1405
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: really know what's gonna happen with him. Albasi is good,

1406
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: but he just lost pretty thoroughly at that. Kai car

1407
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: France is sitting at four.

1408
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 4: Do you think is coming back? Do you think they're

1409
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 4: gonna they're gonna end this sort of punishment that they

1410
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 4: gave him.

1411
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 1: I do think he makes his way back to UFC. Yeah,

1412
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: I do think, and now how quickly? I don't know,

1413
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: probably this year, but it's hard to say exactly when.

1414
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: I would imagine third ish quarter or something like that,

1415
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: but you know, it's hard to know. Tetsuro Tyra is

1416
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: sitting up there, but of course Royville just beat him,

1417
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: and then Kop is sitting at six. Yes, so those

1418
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: are your relevant contenders unless Figi comes back. So what

1419
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: they could do b see is I mean, I don't

1420
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,799
Speaker 1: know if they will. Are they gonna do a fifth

1421
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: fight between Figie and Moreno? Is that a real thing

1422
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: that could happen?

1423
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 4: I think that would be poor judgment because if you

1424
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 4: have a figuredo who's willing and can physically make twenty

1425
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 4: five again and he says he can, you you save

1426
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 4: that for a title shot because Pantosia is nine and

1427
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 4: zero against your current top ten and running out of

1428
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 4: a viable opponent. So I don't think that happens unless

1429
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 4: Moreno's gonna get a fourth shot at Pantosio and we're

1430
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 4: gonna see France Fronce versus Figure. You know, I don't

1431
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 4: think so.

1432
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: No, Okay, So then we just have to figure out

1433
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: the rest of this year. What's gonna happen with you

1434
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do. I bet they're gonna do

1435
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: Albazi versus Tyra or maybe Tyra versus Yeah, no, I

1436
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: think they're probably gonna do that. That seems like a

1437
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,560
Speaker 1: reasonable fight you could make, and then actually would be

1438
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: pretty fun.

1439
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 4: We should just get Brandon roy Vall on Friday show

1440
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 4: that I love the raw Dog. That's my guy.

1441
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's actually not a bad idea. We

1442
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: could talk to him and then he could help us

1443
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 1: usher in the new.

1444
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 4: Year raw Dog. If you can hear the dog whistle

1445
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 4: that we're putting out there, okay, if you can.

1446
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: Hear it, let me ask you before we move in

1447
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: the topic, though, what does Royville need to do to

1448
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: the best of his ability to secure a victory here

1449
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: like he's the odds makers tell us he's up against it.

1450
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: Where's what can he do to in your mind to

1451
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: really level this out?

1452
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 4: Oh, kicks to the body will be a big part

1453
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 4: of that, Luke. There's got to be some form certainly

1454
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 4: of distance control and not let Cop get in that

1455
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 4: flow in front of you of what he's doing there,

1456
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 4: but obviously the ground as well. Luke, do you think

1457
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 4: he will have advantages and potentially taking Cop down?

1458
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: I think CoP's takedown defense looked really good recently, or

1459
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: at least again his quick down blocking. But I think

1460
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: if you can put long island, Luke, if you can

1461
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: put sustained pressure on Cop, now, you might have to

1462
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: take a couple of big shots along the way, but

1463
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: we know it's gonna be a five rounder, not a three.

1464
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: If it's a three rounder, I really wouldn't like Rouval's chances,

1465
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: but five I definitely do. If you could put sustained

1466
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: pressure on Cop, can you force him to make enough

1467
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: mistakes to win on the ground? If you're Royval, yes,

1468
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: I fuck.

1469
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 7: Until you guys started laying out this fight on paper,

1470
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 7: I was like, Yo, I'm actually gonna take Brandon roy

1471
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 7: of all here at plus one sixty four.

1472
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 8: I like that a lot. But damn right, the more.

1473
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 7: You talk about it, CoP's takedown defense is really fucking good.

1474
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 7: And I don't know if Royvall is going to get

1475
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 7: this fight to the ground, and like his stand ups

1476
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 7: decent enough, but Cop looks so fucking good that, like,

1477
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 7: I'm almost talking myself out of it as I talk

1478
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 7: about it.

1479
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: When he's on, he's on, You know what I mean,

1480
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know what to say. The thing is,

1481
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: you got to pressure that guy and make him make mistakes.

1482
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: And I think I, of course, of five rounds can

1483
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: do that. I do believe that.

1484
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 7: Also, I want to give a shout out to who

1485
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 7: I called as my dark horse of the year, a

1486
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 7: Sue Alma Bay.

1487
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 8: If he's ranked number eight, he's on a three fight win.

1488
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 7: Streak, he should get Tyra Albasi Morino one of those guys.

1489
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, is that guy.

1490
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 8: Dude?

1491
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 4: Have I seen that guy fight?

1492
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 8: Yeah? He just beat Nicolau. You probably saw it, maybe possibly, but.

1493
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 4: I was probably like in the eighth row and scratching

1494
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 4: my my my mail bag, so to speak.

1495
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: Right, you're getting your mail bag ready?

1496
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I was. I was sorting out things. Yes, okay,

1497
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 4: that's weird. Yeah that's gross.

1498
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: Wow. All right, our last and final topic, this should

1499
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: be a fun one here. We've got like a few

1500
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: things to go through. We got some MMA, some BJJ,

1501
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: some boxing DC. Let's go down the list here, So

1502
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: put up the graphic if we have it, Long Island,

1503
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: look for the Geechee and Hooker.

1504
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 4: Now do you want me to give you the size

1505
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 4: of my package? Invally?

1506
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: Justin geiche and Dan Hooker have kind of hinted at

1507
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty five showdown BC. Is this the fight

1508
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: that both of them should make? And if they do?

1509
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: Are we talking the frozen steak that was in Connor

1510
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: McGregor's dungarees at the Mayweather Way in? What are we

1511
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: talking about?

1512
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,839
Speaker 4: I mean we could be because the personalities and styles

1513
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 4: involved can only produce Fight of the Year contendership here

1514
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 4: in just an absolute violent brawl. But I'm only going

1515
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 4: to go rock solid at this news because call me crazy,

1516
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 4: but in this great era of lightweight brawl, who have

1517
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 4: put in these are elite title contending lightweight brawlers, some

1518
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 4: of them champions who have put together nothing but memorable wars.

1519
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 4: My two favorite players, and my favorite fight is still

1520
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 4: Poorie gai chie one Gaichee winning the rematch for the

1521
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 4: BMF by headkick. There's unfinished business here. I want that trilogy, Luke,

1522
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 4: more than I want Hooker involved, or even Chandler involved. Now,

1523
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 4: obviously I'd get involved on a Chandler Poorier rematch if

1524
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 4: that was Dustin's best option to end his career. But

1525
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 4: before I'm going to try to, you know, break out

1526
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 4: that frozen rope. Let me stay relevant, sober, rock solid, though,

1527
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 4: because this one will deliver. But I want what I want,

1528
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 4: and I want it now, Luke, give me that, Give

1529
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 4: me that Poorier Gaichee trilogy.

1530
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: I realized it's a little late in the game for this.

1531
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: The fight absolutely makes sense, and if you're a fight fan,

1532
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: this is exactly the kind of thing that you want

1533
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,879
Speaker 1: to see. I'd be lying BC if I didn't feel

1534
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about their health. A little bit worried, right,

1535
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: Gaechee hasn't fought since Max flatlined them and took an

1536
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: emetric ton of abuse in his career. Before that, Dan

1537
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: Hooker has taken the kind that makes me worried about

1538
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: his future. Dude, they're gonna kill each other, you know

1539
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like there's no way that fight doesn't

1540
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: go some kind of deeply violent, distressing way. I'm a

1541
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I don't know, like

1542
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: I can't say no in any way that makes sense

1543
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: other than I'm kind of watching that one through my

1544
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 1: fingers a little bit.

1545
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you almost hope for like an early second round

1546
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 4: finish rather than five crazy, insane rounds of back and

1547
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 4: forth where it looks like round five of Hunt versus

1548
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 4: Silva Ward.

1549
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: You know what it is like when Poirier and Hooker.

1550
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember if this is exactly the right one,

1551
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: but you've seen it before where it's like the fight

1552
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: was incredible, they win fight of the night, and then

1553
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 1: on social media it's both guys in their nine to

1554
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: one to one hospital fucking gurneys and they're like they're

1555
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: they're like high five and and shit, and they look

1556
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: like they've been mauled by a pack of wolves. Yes, yes,

1557
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, I don't know if I want

1558
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: that for them a little bit.

1559
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 4: That's all about here's the thing, Luke. You can't control them,

1560
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 4: and they're gonna find just as just as easy another

1561
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 4: killer to open up against it. That's what they do.

1562
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 4: And if they don't do it in the cage, they'll

1563
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 4: probably do it in a bar and down under or something.

1564
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're talking about hooker, I mean, this

1565
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 4: is the life that they live. It's who they are, Luke.

1566
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 4: You gotta let them, can you please? Let them bang?

1567
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: You gotta let you got a leopard be a leopard.

1568
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: You gotta let a lion be a line. You know

1569
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Let me bang, bro, Yeah, you gotta

1570
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: let you gotta let a sex pest be a sex pest.

1571
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: All right. Uh, let's jump around on this one if

1572
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: we can, Long Island, Luke, let's talk about the Burns

1573
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: and Covington back and forth. So this seems like a

1574
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: lot of manufactured nonsense, but basically, Gilbert Burns didn't like

1575
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: some analysis from jail sun In about him and then

1576
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: released his number in public, his phone number, which, by

1577
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: the way, can confirm that's his real number. I was

1578
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: texting with jail All. I was texting with jail All

1579
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 1: last week and he confirmed me. I was like, dude,

1580
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: what happened there? He's like, uh, he goes. I gotta admit,

1581
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: Gilbert got me good. He got me good with that one.

1582
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 4: So but jail did a forty five minute show answering

1583
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 4: phone calls.

1584
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: From so he's so good at this it's insane. But

1585
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: in any case, now it looked like Colby was like,

1586
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to get back in his honor, which could

1587
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: just be a bunch of bullshits. Let me ask you, BC,

1588
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: A is a a good fight to make? And even

1589
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: if they make it, where is your temperature on this one?

1590
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: For two? Let's say aging but still somewhat viable? Welterwaits,

1591
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: I must you have.

1592
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 4: To understand that I'm aging two. So I hope that

1593
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 4: I'm maybe a one. I'm ag one over. I hope

1594
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 4: I'm able to still produce a frozen roll on call Luke.

1595
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 4: But no, there's one word to describe this. Flashed dude.

1596
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 4: I don't want anything to do with this. I don't

1597
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 4: want to see Colby again in a big fight. I

1598
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 4: saw those excuses he made. I was on the campaign

1599
01:18:59,160 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 4: trail for.

1600
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: He's the deputy He's like, he's the deputy director of

1601
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: national Security policy. Like, get the fuck out of it.

1602
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 4: You know what I'd rather see for Gilbert the kind

1603
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 4: of fights that gaegean Hooker are trying to make with

1604
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 4: each other at this point, you know what I mean,

1605
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 4: Like there's still something.

1606
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 1: On what old guy and Burns, who I think is

1607
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: still viable, but certainly you know, he's closer to forty

1608
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 1: than thirty, and I think Colby's probably washed, but he's

1609
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: asking for a full camp. They're both in that area,

1610
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: old guy versus old guy. I gotta tell you that

1611
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: it's something I do. What's what's left to.

1612
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 4: Get entertained by Colby. I'm not going to be entertained

1613
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 4: by if he gets knocked out, flatline, I don't want

1614
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 4: to see him anymore.

1615
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm done.

1616
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 7: I just wanted to pop in to say that the

1617
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 7: top seven and eight, if you include the champion, are

1618
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 7: all kind of like should be matched up against each other,

1619
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 7: and then that kind of leaves Gilbert Colby on the outskirts.

1620
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 7: So the fight does make sense from a matchmaking standpoint,

1621
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:51,839
Speaker 7: but I'd rather.

1622
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 4: See Gilbert and Camaro again, even though they're trying to

1623
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 4: fashion Hooseman into a really big fight.

1624
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not in which I don't really get.

1625
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, Usman's still viable. I'm like I think

1626
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna to find out in the next fight that

1627
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: he's not.

1628
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 4: He's thus three in a row. He hasn't fun. Well,

1629
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 4: what are we doing here?

1630
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: I know I can't believe that. I mean again, I

1631
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: still think he's not a pushover. That's not what I'm saying.

1632
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: But I don't like people like, oh, he could you know,

1633
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: make another run? I'm like, no, that's not happening at all. No,

1634
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I don't need to see Colby again.

1635
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: But Gilbert wants it. It's two old guys again, old guys.

1636
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 4: So what do you what's your level right now? You're

1637
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 4: your rock solid for this with you?

1638
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: No, but like you know, well, what would be the

1639
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: middle ground? I don't know, morning Wood or something. I

1640
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell would be.

1641
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 4: If you've got a big let me search it. I

1642
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 4: guess you know what I mean.

1643
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: If they make it, I'm not against it at all.

1644
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: I I am totally okay with it. You're you seem

1645
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: to have much less interest I do.

1646
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 4: I don't see it on your list. But did you

1647
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 4: hear about blood? Bobby knocks?

1648
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: Over there?

1649
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 4: Robert Whittaker? I got two five man after your own

1650
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 4: matchmaking hard is trying to make the biggest and best

1651
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 4: fight you can make against John Jones two. Now he's

1652
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 4: saying that he he's more likely to move up to

1653
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 4: light heavyweight than he ever would be to go back

1654
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 4: down to That's really what he's saying.

1655
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I didn't bring it up because I saw

1656
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: it. It was kind of funny.

1657
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 4: But that's great, that's great.

1658
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's right. I mean, he like he was.

1659
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: He was it was hard for him to make one

1660
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: seventy at the time, which he moved on much less now.

1661
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: You know, I can't.

1662
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 4: Believe he got sunned twice. I mean, it happened to

1663
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 4: two very good fighters, but he got that took. I mean,

1664
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 4: that guy, if one little thing changes, he could be

1665
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 4: fighting for a title again and be your champion again.

1666
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 4: I mean, is it overlook not over in the fact

1667
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 4: that he can't be competitive against good fighters, But is

1668
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 4: Robert Whitaker never going to put that belt back around

1669
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 4: as way?

1670
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's over. It's over.

1671
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to. I don't want to live in

1672
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 4: a world where that's the reality the.

1673
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: Fight game is. Dude, I don't have to tell you this.

1674
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: It's Unforgiving's unforgiving, unforgiving.

1675
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 4: All right, an all time great luke.

1676
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: A couple more notes. Let's go to the AI scorecard

1677
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: if we can long island. Look, let's put this on

1678
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,520
Speaker 1: the screen. So this was very haunted. Here is the scorecard,

1679
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: the AI scorecard, such as you want to call it,

1680
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: that they headed one eighteen to one twelve. If you'll

1681
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: note rounds one and twelve were ten ten upon rewatch,

1682
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: I could entertain the idea around one was ten ten.

1683
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that's correct. I definitely don't think ten

1684
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: ten for a twelfth round is correct. The right guy

1685
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: one BC. But your impressions of all of this my

1686
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: preamble noting that I think it's this is largely not

1687
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: useful technology aside, what do you think I mean?

1688
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 4: Look, no one's putting a gun to my head or

1689
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 4: offering me a check to say this. But I apologize

1690
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 4: for assuming, given the history of chicanery in this sport,

1691
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 4: that Turkey Alashik's aggressiveness in terms of saying, look, Furi's

1692
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 4: my brother. I look at him like family. I want

1693
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 4: him to win. But Turkey ultimately said right before the fight,

1694
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 4: he's picking Usik. I thought Usik won my scorecard's pretty

1695
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 4: damn close to the AI. I thought it was hilarious

1696
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 4: when Tyson at the press conference was like, fuck computers, at.

1697
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, fair enough, fuck computers.

1698
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 4: I'm okay, We're gonna go to walk one day with them, Luke.

1699
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 4: So I'm on Tyson Fury side in this war. I'll

1700
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 4: have to say the AI guy wasn't wrong, I guess.

1701
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 2: So.

1702
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 4: Do I want this involved in a trending direction toward

1703
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 4: becoming part of our sport. No, But if it's some

1704
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 4: independent thing of saying, well, look, the computer scored it,

1705
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 4: you know. It reminds me of that scene in Willy

1706
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 4: Wonka and the Chocolate Factory when they're trying to enter

1707
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: into the computer the exact whereabouts of the remaining golden ticket,

1708
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 4: and he's like, you can now tell the computer exactly

1709
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 4: where he can shove his lifetime supply of chalcol am

1710
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 4: I the only one that knows every word from that

1711
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 4: movie and still thinks it's one of the best five

1712
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,959
Speaker 4: films ever made, Luke or my alone, This best.

1713
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 1: Is Gene Wilder Dead, because otherwise it's.

1714
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 4: You, wow, okay, okay, looked, Thank you, Grandpa Joe. Why

1715
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 4: don't you defraud your family out of money for years

1716
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 4: and then miraculously just get up and know we get

1717
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 4: we got free chocolate. Let's hit it.

1718
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 2: You know.

1719
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: Uh, here's my read on it. It was in offensively worthless.

1720
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Like I don't really understand understood what it gave to us.

1721
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing I mentioned before, there was no

1722
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: demo about it. We didn't get to see the technology

1723
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: in any way beforehand. It wasn't explained to us how

1724
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: it worked. I mean I realized they read talking points,

1725
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: but they didn't actually show us this. And the folks

1726
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: at Jabber were even kind of distancing themselves from the

1727
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: very version that this fight was using, saying like, our

1728
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: full technology is not even being applied here. This is

1729
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: something a little bit different. So like even the people

1730
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: who make this stuff, this was not even the full

1731
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: breadth and depth of what they do. And in the

1732
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,480
Speaker 1: end you got a scorecard that's not like totally insane,

1733
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: but it's like, what are we adding here to this?

1734
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: I saw people being like, yeah, a little more training

1735
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: and it would have had eight to four. I'm like, right,

1736
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: what is the goal with this? Is the goal to

1737
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: be just as good as a normal judge, Like we

1738
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: don't need AI to be what a normal judge does.

1739
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: We need it to fix judging. And if the best

1740
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,759
Speaker 1: that you can hope for is that it can match

1741
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: existing performance, you're not changing anything. And by the way,

1742
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: you can't even do that with this right now, Like again,

1743
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, is there a world in

1744
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: the future BC where we could get to a place

1745
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: that technology could meaningfully do it? Especially again not so

1746
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: much in mma, but in boxing, where you have a

1747
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: constrained universe of rules. I mean, you can't even backfist

1748
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: punch in boxing, right You can only punch with the

1749
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: front and then the top of the glove. You can't

1750
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 1: do it on the blade of the hand. You can't

1751
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: spin around and do stuff like that. It's a very

1752
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 1: You have to punch above the waist. You can't punch

1753
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: behind on someone's back. It's it's a very constrained universe

1754
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: of rules. And you can see the reason why I

1755
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: got one eighteen one ten is because their proprietary system

1756
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: which builds stats it's based it weighs the performance of

1757
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: statistics in a predicting score. But like, how useful is

1758
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: this If you watch an you see there's a video

1759
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: that Jabber put out and again I'm gonna speak to

1760
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: them at the end of the week. I think that

1761
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: their stats work is really good. I really like their stats,

1762
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: and I can be persuaded over time that this is

1763
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: something that could lead to an improvement in judging down

1764
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: the road. I want to be very clear, like I

1765
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: like Jabber a lot, and I like what they do

1766
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: a lot. I cannot overstate that. But this was a

1767
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: bastardized version of that that was never demoed and never tested.

1768
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 1: It didn't meaningfully add anything.

1769
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 4: I mean, look if it said if it said one fifteen,

1770
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 4: one thirteen fury, we'd be like, get this off the

1771
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 4: earth and we never want to see it again. But

1772
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 4: can it account punching power? Because judges have to take

1773
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 4: into account the effects of punches. That's why you can

1774
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 4: win rounds landing four shots if your opponent landed fifteen,

1775
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 4: if you landed the meaningful shots that moved them, how

1776
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 4: can a computer figure that part out?

1777
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: So they do motion tracking, and they say that their

1778
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 1: motion tracking can tell them that. I don't know how

1779
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 1: true that is. Exiting if if you're moving with a

1780
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: podcast business, this is so true. This is what I mean.

1781
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: If you look at the video that Jabber put out

1782
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: over the weekend. They put out something on their YouTube

1783
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: channel and they showed about that. I think we may

1784
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: have called I don't remember this, but it was Michael

1785
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Fox and he spells at nykl. I think he's out

1786
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: of my area. I'm not gonna be wrong about that.

1787
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: Taking on Gabriel my esterday, the Venezuelan guy and if

1788
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: you'll recall my esterday one in like an insane fucking robbery,

1789
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: and they showed how their proprietary software would have given

1790
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: it to Fox, and it's like, okay, So then what

1791
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 1: you're saying in this particular instance is it could solve

1792
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: the problem of like egregious, like fucked up scorecards, like

1793
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: the ones that you can't even comprehend. Okay, that's a

1794
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: valuable service. That's not nothing. And in fact, Michael Fox

1795
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: would probably tell you he would welcome something like that.

1796
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 1: But how is that useful for at this current stage,

1797
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: for something where you have to have a keen eye

1798
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: for an Alexander Usik or what the the body shot?

1799
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: And how is that changing things? And you know, again

1800
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: all of the different ways in which you have to

1801
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: use human judgment to make an evaluation of this. I

1802
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 1: know people complain about boxing judging, and if AI gets

1803
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: rid of the worst version of it, that's not nothing.

1804
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 4: I don't trust the computers. I mean, Luke, I could

1805
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 4: put an Apple Watch right now and do this for

1806
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 4: a few minutes and they'll be like, oh, you ran

1807
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 4: two miles. No, I busted a paranauts. Okay, that's the

1808
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 4: only thing that happened, right, that's it. Okay, Okay, Hey

1809
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 4: Red Fox over there.

1810
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, that was a lot for me to the

1811
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: visually kind of wrap my head around there, and now

1812
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: I need to dig show well.

1813
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 4: Jean Wilder died in twenty sixteen at.

1814
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 8: The age of eighty three.

1815
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: Good he missed all the bad stuff. Okay, Last but

1816
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: not least BC, Last but not least c JI two

1817
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: Craig Jones, who, by the way, I reached out to

1818
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: me last week. Hopefully we can get him back in

1819
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: studio first quarter of the new year. Looking forward to

1820
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: that being a thing. They're gonna do it again. CJI

1821
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: two will take place in August of twenty twenty five,

1822
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,879
Speaker 1: and this time it's going to have a team's concept.

1823
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: We have a bit of an announcement video. Let's roll

1824
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: it here, Gus.

1825
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 5: Grappling is boring. Stooling is boring. People being afraid to

1826
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 5: be submitted is boring. The CJI two we're mixing this up.

1827
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 5: We're gonna do eight teams battling for a million dollars.

1828
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 5: Last time we found out who the two best athletes

1829
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 5: in the world were. That was Cater Toler and Nicky

1830
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 5: Rot and we paid them both a million. Now we're

1831
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 5: gonna find out who is the best team in the

1832
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:45,799
Speaker 5: world Atos New Wave B Team, check Matt Cracy, Baja,

1833
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 5: Tenth Planet, whatever teams, and let's see who truly is

1834
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 5: the best team in the world. Quintet style Last Man

1835
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 5: Standing Team vers team is the most exciting form of grappling,

1836
01:29:57,960 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 5: and that's what is going to be the bulk of

1837
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 5: this show. But we're also gonna have a few crazy

1838
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 5: super fights. I won't be fighting a woman this time,

1839
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 5: although the guy has many feminine attributes, but that is

1840
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 5: yet to be announced. Two Team vs.

1841
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Ten BC. Your reaction.

1842
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I love Craig. I think he's hilarious. I

1843
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 4: would love to have him on MK again to promote this.

1844
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 4: But talk you gotta talk me into team grappling. Luke

1845
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 4: I don't love grappling to begin with. I understand that

1846
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 4: Craig sweetened up the entertainment value the first time around,

1847
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 4: brought legitimate money to the table, and is changing the game.

1848
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, everything he did leading up

1849
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 4: to that matchup with Gabby Garcia was extreme elite comedy

1850
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 4: across the board. I'm interested to see who he's gonna

1851
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 4: be his super fight against. But tell me why the

1852
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 4: team concept is gonna be the rage here and why

1853
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 4: I should care. I don't care about team NFL, our team,

1854
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 4: Team MMA or regular season PFL Luke, Why should I

1855
01:30:59,200 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 4: care about this?

1856
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: So again, they're not making an entire season about it.

1857
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: They're making a two day event about it. I think

1858
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: that's really kind of important. Again, I could imagine teams

1859
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: working in MMA if structured right, depending on the rule set,

1860
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 1: but for a short like a short one off event,

1861
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: which is that's what this is. It's a one off event.

1862
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 1: He mentioned they're going to use the quintet rules. So,

1863
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 1: by the way, they're not just like drafting like five

1864
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 1: randos calling it a team. New Wave is the danaher

1865
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: team B team is a real team. Auto's check. Matt

1866
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: Gracie Baja. These are all real teams that exist, and

1867
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: here's how Quintet works.

1868
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 4: Quote.

1869
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: Quintet is about survival and submission until only one team

1870
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: is left. One athlete from each team starts, no matter

1871
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: their size. Whoever wins by submission stays on the map,

1872
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:49,799
Speaker 1: meaning one grappler could take out an entire team by themselves.

1873
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:50,919
Speaker 4: Like a gauntlet match in WWE.

1874
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And dude, he's actually been posting like,

1875
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: what's it, what's it called? Where like they send one

1876
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 1: guy out every minute or whatever, Royal rumble, Royal rumble

1877
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: he's been doing. He's been posting stuff like that.

1878
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 4: Okay, this is brilliant, a brilliant man.

1879
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 1: This is what I mean. Dude, I'm like super all

1880
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: in on this.

1881
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean he you know, he's a brilliant man.

1882
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 4: This is exciting. He's finding ways to take something and

1883
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 4: add spicy elements to it to get us all involved.

1884
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 4: Everyone's getting paid, everyone's laughing, and at the end of

1885
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 4: the day, he's going to spend the next three weeks

1886
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 4: after the event with cocaine and hookers. So really, you know,

1887
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 4: short of getting to finally smell with Keith Peterson, smells like,

1888
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 4: this is great, Luke.

1889
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 1: I love he went to Cartagena, Columbia, place I've been

1890
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: to for a million times after the last CJI and

1891
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: I saw all the places he was visiting, you know,

1892
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: conspicuously with like Luke Rockold and other guys like with

1893
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:46,839
Speaker 1: wealth on their bodies, and they had an armed escort

1894
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: at all times, and I was like, yeah, that was right.

1895
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: That was the right call. You made the right call.

1896
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: You made the right call. All right. With that out

1897
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: of the way, those are our top five topics, let's

1898
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: get to where the fans get to ask us questions.

1899
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:58,839
Speaker 1: It's time for dms from dogs.

1900
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 4: Wow is that talkie's name? Ron Jeremy Luis?

1901
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: I need an adult every time I hear the fucking thing,

1902
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,560
Speaker 1: all right? From Appy Fatathon?

1903
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 4: Oh God, that's a that's David Appleton.

1904
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. With the next card not planned for a few weeks,

1905
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: do you think the UFC are missing a trick? With

1906
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 1: the Christmas in New York enthusiasm for sports in general

1907
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: be so you recall, it's all over my Netflix. They're

1908
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: gonna do the NFL and all that stuff there. People

1909
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: have said, there's like a window here, why not do it?

1910
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 4: What do you think, well, I think it's a it's

1911
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 4: a it's a double edged sword here because they go

1912
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,679
Speaker 4: almost every week, right, there's like two or three weeks

1913
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 4: it seems like during the regular year where you're like,

1914
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 4: oh my god, no fight night this week. Even though

1915
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 4: I'm inevitably complaining about the apex and the matchmaking, we

1916
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 4: still want it. We still need it so to give

1917
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 4: their athletes, their employees, their you know, I mean, look,

1918
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 4: do you dude, I love the people that work for

1919
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 4: the UFC. To be fair, we can have, you know,

1920
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 4: quibbles with things that Dana says or just as you're

1921
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 4: making by the TKO. But people, there's some incredible people

1922
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 4: in pr and and beyond right, Uh. To see them

1923
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 4: get almost like a month off, it's like the only

1924
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 4: off season they get. I certainly understand that this is

1925
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 4: typically the dead zone for combat sports anyway, But to

1926
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 4: your point, I mean, look at what they've been doing

1927
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 4: for years in Japan with Saki Kaba and making that

1928
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 4: New Year's cards. Just what'd you say, sok Soka Kabara,

1929
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 4: Saki Kabara. Sorry, I was trying to get that off

1930
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 4: all right, there we go. I mean, you know, he

1931
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 4: was telling me Luke when I talked to him at

1932
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 4: that press conference, that they're gonna have you know, three

1933
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 4: events on New Year's Day alone there in say Tamas. So,

1934
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 4: I do think there's an opportunity there, but you'd have

1935
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 4: to sort of figure out, like are we a fifty

1936
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 4: two week a year operation, because they're trending toward that.

1937
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: I cannot believe people like are complaining about this. I've

1938
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: seen people do like daily memes about like the UFC break,

1939
01:34:56,439 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: and it's like, first of all, if you have fight pass,

1940
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be hard for some people

1941
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 1: to hear. Good MMA took place before twenty twenty, like

1942
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: really good MMA, Like you have a universe of WEC

1943
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: Strikeforce UFC pride that I am certain the vast majority

1944
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: of people complaining about not having a live events haven't seen,

1945
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: and in fact, many of those events would be far

1946
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: better than UFC apex chart three seventy nine. Okay, let's

1947
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: just be very clear about that. Second of all, do

1948
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 1: something else with your fucking life's that's my plea to everybody.

1949
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Read a book, do some sit ups, eat a fruit cup,

1950
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: go for a walk, do something else such that you

1951
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:42,759
Speaker 1: are not utterly dependent especially if you're a degenerate gambler

1952
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:47,759
Speaker 1: hashtag Long Island luke go. Diversify your interest in life

1953
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 1: so that you are not dependent on one single thing

1954
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: as the source of both your entertainment and frankly, at

1955
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 1: this point, your personality. This is the most meaningless thing

1956
01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: to me ever. Do something else, and I make money

1957
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 1: from them having events, And I'm telling you happy right now,

1958
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to everybody complaining that they're not live UFC events.

1959
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: You're completely right BC that the employees there work their

1960
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 1: balls off. They need some time off. This is a

1961
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: great time to get it. And there's a million other

1962
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: things people could be doing with their time that would

1963
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: enrich their lives. They do not need to have constant

1964
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: fucking titillation like a strobe light raid. Everybody does, but

1965
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying the strobe light of just in your face

1966
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 1: all the time. Take a break, go to the bathroom,

1967
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 1: do something else. You're gonna be Okay.

1968
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 4: Did you see UFC got ice Cube to play their

1969
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 4: holiday party. That's pretty bad ass. Reminds me of being

1970
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,440
Speaker 4: at ESPN in the six area where the money was overflowing.

1971
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 4: They had Chaka Khan at the Christmas party, Luke, Okay.

1972
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, if you're a monopoly, you can

1973
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: just afford to do whatever. I saw Dana White talking

1974
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: about his office and like all the nice things he

1975
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: has there. I'm like, yeah, if you don't pay guys,

1976
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, fifty percent, this is what you can afford.

1977
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 4: Luke, it's the holiday season. We're letting you know the

1978
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 4: sins of the past, you know, fade away.

1979
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not all right. Question number two from Flannels

1980
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 1: and JITs, where does Usk rank as the best heavyweight

1981
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: of all time? What is next? Fury said, we literally

1982
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 1: did this one, so I hope they got the good

1983
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 1: answer for that.

1984
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 4: Okay, wow, okay, it looks like move on with your life.

1985
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: Please let me we just did like we did this one.

1986
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: We did this one.

1987
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 8: I got a new one for you. I got a

1988
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 8: new one for you.

1989
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

1990
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 7: Cji got me thinking, and I was thinking back to

1991
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 7: that season of Tough Black Zillions versus att if GFL

1992
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 7: or any of these other team combat leagues we're doing

1993
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 7: Jim versus Let's say they had att versus Fighting Nerds

1994
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 7: versus City Kickboxing.

1995
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 8: Would that make you guys more interested in it? Would

1996
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 8: that be?

1997
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: No? That wouldn't change anything. It wouldn't change anything.

1998
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 7: No, it's better than arbitrary Team Florida versus Team New

1999
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 7: York and none of the reason.

2000
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: That CJI might work where GFL can't work is CJI

2001
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 1: will have some of the very best grapplers in the

2002
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: world going up against some of the other very best

2003
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 1: crappers in the world under let me finish that under

2004
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: a very novel rule and surface set, so you actually

2005
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: have super meaningful jiu jitsu happening between people that are

2006
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: well known and celebrated, like the rule Tolos versus Andrew Tackett,

2007
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: that kind of a thing. This is washed guy versus

2008
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: washed guy. For the most part, it doesn't solve the

2009
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 1: central problem. You can do other things to make it different,

2010
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 1: but it doesn't actually defeat it doesn't. It doesn't solve

2011
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 1: their problems.

2012
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 7: All right, It doesn't solve it, but it does make

2013
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 7: it better. You would agree with that, right.

2014
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Sort of? Yeah, all right? From uh telvin Ky Papa,

2015
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: Luke love that guy? Right, Yeah, best Christmas present you

2016
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: ever gave someone. That's a good question. Yeah, Luke.

2017
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 4: I'm not a great tipper or gift giver, but I'm

2018
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 4: a lover Luke. Probably not a great lover either, but

2019
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 4: I'm a lover Luke. Have I given great gifts before?

2020
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 1: I'd have to ask my I don't know the answer

2021
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 1: is to that. I mean, I feel like I do

2022
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: pretty well with this, but I'm not sure if there's

2023
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: like one that truly like I've never gotten my wife

2024
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: a car or something like that.

2025
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 4: You know, I've never given someone a gift that's like

2026
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 4: talked about for years to come where it's like a

2027
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 4: landmark turning point in their gift, receiving lifetime or something.

2028
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I put.

2029
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 4: A roof over people's heads. Look, and I put food

2030
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 4: on the table. Okay, so leave me alone.

2031
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 1: All right? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I've definitely gotten some

2032
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: good ones before. I feel like I don't really ever

2033
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 1: struggle with this, But I don't know if there is

2034
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 1: like one that's like unbelievable relative to some of the

2035
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 1: other ones. I mean, the most recent one I got

2036
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: that was good was you know, like the vacuum that

2037
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 1: the Dyson Dyson mixed vacuums if you actually so. There's

2038
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: a Dice in store in Tyson's Corner, which is just

2039
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: outside of DC, but there's probably many of them across

2040
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 1: the country and if you go to these places you

2041
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,560
Speaker 1: can buy there are vacuums there. But Dyson actually specializes

2042
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: in like all of this, like jet technology, and they

2043
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: use it for a series of different appliances. They made

2044
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: a hair dryer for women that you know, I don't

2045
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 1: know anything about it. I never I've never used a

2046
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 1: hair dryer in my life. My hair is not like that.

2047
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,679
Speaker 1: I don't need it. But uh, it was a little

2048
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: on the expensive side as far as hair dryers go.

2049
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: But apparently it was like revolutionary technology. Wow, And I

2050
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 1: got my wife that And here's why that's relevant. Here's

2051
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 1: why it's relevant. She has like raved about how good

2052
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 1: it is. It has reduced her time to get ready

2053
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 1: by like fifty percent.

2054
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 4: Oh so everybody wins in the house, Yes.

2055
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: Ding go and like she's happy, We're happy, everyone's happy.

2056
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like that's a win all

2057
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: the way around.

2058
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 4: You know what, I now, do you do this in

2059
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 4: your house? I know this because I don't buy a

2060
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 4: lot of the gifts that are even out at my

2061
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 4: house because I have a wonderful wife. But I wrap

2062
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 4: most of them. I was wrapping multiple gifts per dog

2063
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 4: and cat in my house.

2064
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 1: God, you're a fucking loser. I mean that's you don't.

2065
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 4: Love your animals that much. I mean, these dogs get

2066
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 4: so stinking excited for Christmas.

2067
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: You see if you that's all the vet bill that

2068
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 1: I just had to pay for barbous. I don't think

2069
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 1: you'd accused me of not loving him. I think that'd

2070
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: be something you would never ever accuse me.

2071
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 4: Like I put food on the table and over that

2072
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 4: dog's head to deal with it.

2073
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not rapping a fucking bone for him.

2074
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I just be honest with you. I'm not.

2075
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 4: You know, I'm willing to rap gifts of Reggie Jackson

2076
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 4: because that guy is currently in life.

2077
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,440
Speaker 1: Clinging to my soul, Luke and your nipples.

2078
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,640
Speaker 4: At times, yes, at times he's hanging on for dear life.

2079
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: All right, question numberfore from Mike. I'm gonna say this

2080
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: the best I can here nishin something like that nineteen

2081
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: ninety five Happy holidays, guys. What are some fights with

2082
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 1: you have seen boxing you would ask Combat Santa for

2083
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: in your stockey, like like pick three or so that

2084
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: you would like really recommend to folks.

2085
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 4: Okay, it's just that we haven't seen yet, right fights

2086
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 4: to make in both sports kind of thing.

2087
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, yes, okay, yes, in.

2088
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:57,759
Speaker 4: Twenty five, I really really, really and not everybody agrees

2089
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 4: with this, but I really still want Tank Davis against

2090
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 4: Stevenson at one thirty Love It Shaquer saying that his

2091
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 4: plans are to end this calendar year coming up with that.

2092
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,679
Speaker 4: I really really want to see, even though you disagree

2093
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 4: with me, Eliot Taporia versus Islam Maha Chef, I really

2094
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 4: really want to see that. That takes me too, you know,

2095
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 4: from flaccid to rock solid to oh my gosh, that

2096
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 4: guy we you know, we thought he was fatter than

2097
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,919
Speaker 4: he was. We assumed he didn't have a respectable pipe.

2098
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,799
Speaker 4: We were wrong, right, you know, we were dead wrong.

2099
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 4: It does not to be Friday. We were dead wrong

2100
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 4: in our assumption whether that guy brought any form or

2101
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 4: level of girth to the table. Luke. Turns out, turns

2102
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 4: out I did.

2103
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:45,679
Speaker 1: God, You're disgusting, all right, My turn gotta be tom

2104
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: Asminall John Jones, no question about it. I have come

2105
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: around much more aggressively now in the last like two

2106
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: weeks to Bud Crawford and Canelo Alvarez. Really hope we

2107
01:42:56,240 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: get that. Mer really wants that for me, you know, see,

2108
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: I I on hare when everything, but I really hope

2109
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 1: he can get that one made. So that's the second

2110
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go a little bit to the side.

2111
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,759
Speaker 1: It can't really happen unless something crazy happens. But Dakota

2112
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:14,839
Speaker 1: Ditcheva versus Valentina Chevchenko I think would be awesome, awesome,

2113
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 1: awesome fight. Wouldn't love to see it.

2114
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 4: That's interesting. I'm thinking more. Yeah, what other creative matchups

2115
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 4: are out? I mean, I mean, are you getting cised

2116
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 4: at the it's angling toward it that the winner of

2117
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 4: Better B B Vall will face the winner of David

2118
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 4: Benavitez versus David Morrell.

2119
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Speaker 1: Got'ta be another huge one. I mean, in fact, the

2120
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 1: fact that they made Benavitez morel already kind of solves

2121
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 1: one of the ones I did want to see. But yeah,

2122
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 1: I'd be in favor of that. I mean, again, let's

2123
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: see how they look. If both guys kind of end

2124
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: up looking like that. But if the winner really has

2125
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: a strong performance, I would be totally okay.

2126
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 4: Would BAM versus The Monster Movie on that level or

2127
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 4: just be like an interesting thing? Say that again, Bam

2128
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 4: versus in a way? Would that be like an attraction

2129
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 4: nation fight for you or just hey, something cool and creative.

2130
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 4: Let's see what it looks like.

2131
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm more cool and creative because of the size

2132
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: or what I think is the size difference. I'm not

2133
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: sure how big it would actually be, but seems like

2134
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 1: it'd be cool. Yeah, all right. And then last, but

2135
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 1: not least, p See from ohso al Daco. Uh, what

2136
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: are some of your Christmas traditions that you guys do

2137
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: at home? B See.

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01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 4: I thought it was a ridiculous tradition when we started

2139
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 4: it as Newly Woods randomly one Christmas Eve, but it's

2140
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 4: caught on and everyone makes Christmas story jokes because they

2141
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 4: had to do that on Christmas Day, of course, because

2142
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 4: the Bumpus hounds got into the house and got into

2143
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 4: the turkey. But Christmas Eve, as a family, we get

2144
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 4: Asian takeout, typically Thai food, and we get a whole

2145
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 4: lot of it. And that's a big tradition in this

2146
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 4: house and I love it.

2147
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we've started one where we go to

2148
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 1: an Italian restaurant for Christmas Eve. Oh oh, instead of

2149
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: cooking and I'm gonna get osibuka, which is one of

2150
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 1: my favorite things to eat when done correctly. Obviously, Sure,

2151
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 1: we do the Christmas I don't know what the proper

2152
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 1: terms are. Can only say what my mom told me

2153
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: what the terms are. The Christmas crackers where you pull

2154
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 1: them apart and it pops and there's like a little

2155
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 1: toy in the middle.

2156
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 4: Oh, I never heard of that. That sounds cool.

2157
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 8: I do that too. I don't know what they're called either,

2158
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 8: but we do that too.

2159
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a fun little tradition. Yeah. So my

2160
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 1: wife is obviously Catholic, and we do Christmas Eve gifts. Now,

2161
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 1: we won't do that for the Tuchster. We'll do that

2162
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 1: after Santa gets here. She might be listening. So, but

2163
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: if everybody else will do it on Christmas Eve and uh,

2164
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: we have a couple of things where like we go

2165
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: see the National Tree and stuff like that. Great.

2166
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 4: Yeah we do. Even though my kids are sixteen, they

2167
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 4: still love it. We do one gift on Christmas Eve

2168
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 4: and it's always the Christmas pajamas.

2169
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, that you would Christmas pajamas.

2170
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then you would put them on, sleeping them

2171
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 4: and wake up and open your present eye.

2172
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, it's very cool. Okay, yeah, stuff like that.

2173
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 1: Long Island. Look, you got any traditions that your family

2174
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:06,839
Speaker 1: does besides Long Yeah? Yeah, besides besides using a pepsi

2175
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 1: can to hit a ball.

2176
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,719
Speaker 8: A pepsi can? What are we in fucking seventh grade?

2177
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 2: No?

2178
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:15,120
Speaker 7: Well, my mom's Italian. She makes lasagna for every holiday,

2179
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:18,600
Speaker 7: especially nice. So that's like the big Look what.

2180
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 4: Does your dad do on Christmas? That's like real ausy.

2181
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 8: It starts drinking beer at ten am?

2182
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 4: Is that a Fosters? It's Australian for beer.

2183
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 7: He does get foster sometimes, but he's a he's a

2184
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 7: big What does he drink? Newcastle brown al which is

2185
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 7: not Australian. But that's kind of like the closest.

2186
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 1: Where does your dad live?

2187
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:37,559
Speaker 8: Long Island?

2188
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: Okay? You know your parents are together, right, you're not divorce? Yeah?

2189
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: How many times are you out with your dad and

2190
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 1: someone's like are you from England? Or like are you

2191
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 1: from Scotland? Like how many times are they wager? And

2192
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 1: they get it wrong?

2193
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 7: Oh well, I will say every time we're out with him,

2194
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 7: they have to bring up, oh my god, where are

2195
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:53,880
Speaker 7: you from? But I will say nine times out of

2196
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:54,759
Speaker 7: ten they actually say.

2197
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 1: Get it right?

2198
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:55,639
Speaker 8: OK.

2199
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: I figured those long Island.

2200
01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 4: Can we ever get the guy out of the show

2201
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 4: and ask him in appropate questions about down under?

2202
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 7: He knows like zero about technology, so probably not. But yeah,

2203
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 7: we can make it.

2204
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 4: The same success I've had in trying to get Luke's

2205
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 4: dad or brother.

2206
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: It'll never happen. Yeah you might. You might as well.

2207
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 1: You'll get satan on here before you get there. Wow,

2208
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,680
Speaker 1: sometimes you Yeah, with that in mind, it's time for

2209
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: your feces.

2210
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I scoured the globe, and you know, I

2211
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 4: put together some funny clips that I hope makes Luke laugh.

2212
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 4: This one's called have you seen this Ish Luke? Who a, Yeah,

2213
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 4: it's the holiday Sason Luke, which means it's always better

2214
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 4: to give than receive.

2215
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: That's my kind of standard right there.

2216
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 4: Oh good Luke. Have you ever brought this to the

2217
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 4: table on Christmas dinner? Could change the way your family

2218
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 4: celebrates you know what I mean? Oh boy, that's a

2219
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 4: ball of joints, Luke. All right, Grandma loves it.

2220
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 8: Yes, that's me you Christmas.

2221
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 1: And look he's wearing the raw like uh, roll.

2222
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 4: Rolling papers, yes.

2223
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 1: Rolling papers for the for the sweater. That's sick.

2224
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 4: Great stuff, Luke, your ugly Christmas sweater of the week time.

2225
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 1: Yes, Jesus cross you want. I'll tell you what, buddy,

2226
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 1: redneck ingenuity powers this country. It really does power.

2227
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 4: Yes, we better buy in. Let's go over to the

2228
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 4: Bill's mafia. See what they're up to, Luke.

2229
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: All of all of them should get paralyzed. I hate

2230
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:44,600
Speaker 1: every single one of them.

2231
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 4: Look at what they're doing to Patrick Mahomes.

2232
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:51,679
Speaker 1: Okay, I take that back. Those guys, those guys are great.

2233
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:55,839
Speaker 4: They they groom their children young, Luke, I'm not necessarily

2234
01:48:55,840 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 4: talking about Pat Berry's coaching style. Watch this alright, but

2235
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 4: oser up and end.

2236
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, go Bells.

2237
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: That kid is going to grow up with like lead

2238
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 1: poisoning and all kinds of shit with the family like that.

2239
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be the worst worst life ever.

2240
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 4: Look, you may remember when my train, uh or I

2241
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 4: tried to take that bus home from MK and NYC

2242
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 4: that time.

2243
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Just the dumbest decision you've ever made, that's all.

2244
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,600
Speaker 4: And among many things including the driver taking the longest

2245
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:36,679
Speaker 4: possible way to get there, then getting on the highway

2246
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 4: in the wrong direction. As we're like Boston you know,

2247
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 4: sixty miles away coming up. We then got into Harford

2248
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 4: and got the bus caught under a bridge around the corner.

2249
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 4: Like just Low Clarence, low class, unbelievable. Here's another great

2250
01:49:51,080 --> 01:50:02,560
Speaker 4: moments in low Low Clarence history.

2251
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, wait does anyone speak German? What did that?

2252
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,639
Speaker 1: What did that thing say?

2253
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:13,679
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I think he was declared dead

2254
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 4: shortly after, which was called the fourth death we've now

2255
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 4: shown in the history of this show. Luke, you remember

2256
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 4: when you got your diploma graduation? Did you do anything

2257
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 4: crazy like the d X chop or you know, trying?

2258
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: I screamed, Yeah, I did scream.

2259
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 4: Actually, all right, watched this man's decision. He's gonna live, Luke,

2260
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 4: He's gonna live.

2261
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:48,600
Speaker 1: Not everyone deserves to go to college. They should have

2262
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 1: revent his diploma right.

2263
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 4: There, Lucas, Time for MMA fighters in the wild. And

2264
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 4: here's Roman Delinze checking in from the nation of Georgia.

2265
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 6: This is my homeland. I'm in Georgia, and Luke.

2266
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 1: What I found. Guys.

2267
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 6: I don't teach you what and how to do, but

2268
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 6: I'm against this. I always think that clear brain is

2269
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 6: very important. I think twice before starting using stuff like this,

2270
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 6: any kind of stuff like this, I'm against.

2271
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:29,719
Speaker 4: Well, Luke, he's not my least favorite fighter.

2272
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: What what the fuck was he talking about?

2273
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 4: He found a gravity bomb there that somebody had made

2274
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 4: out of a water just some ingenuity out there in Georgia, Right.

2275
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I couldn't tellf he was just against littering,

2276
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:45,639
Speaker 1: you know.

2277
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 4: No, no, he was against the use of that. But Luke,

2278
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 4: you know he is you know, he is connected to

2279
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 4: one of our favorite fighters, So I guess we can't

2280
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 4: turn out him completely.

2281
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 1: Right, Who.

2282
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:00,679
Speaker 4: I am, Luke?

2283
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's your favorite? Thank you.

2284
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 4: Let's go over to this MMA A fighter in the wild.

2285
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 4: That's Hamsa Chamaia and Luke I continually play videos and

2286
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 4: he can get down. Look at this guy. Do you

2287
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 4: think chicks adore this?

2288
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 1: Look at the more a certain kind perhaps?

2289
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 4: So if I learned those steps, would I, you know,

2290
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 4: clean up in theory? Luke?

2291
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 1: I think for the kind of person you're to be

2292
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 1: looking for, this could do you some good. It wouldn't

2293
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 1: really help me.

2294
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 4: Much, all right, Okay? Luke Steepe was elected Dog Pound

2295
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:37,760
Speaker 4: Captain by the Cleveland Browns. Check this out.

2296
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that team sucks balls.

2297
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 4: All right, there's a guitar, you know, rock and roll

2298
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame.

2299
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 1: Is he strong enough to still smash it?

2300
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 4: Let's see if he could do the honky talk man bit.

2301
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, he still got at least a little bit

2302
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:51,719
Speaker 1: of that left.

2303
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 4: I'm sure his family is enjoying the John Jones paycheck

2304
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 4: this holiday season.

2305
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they are. I bet they are, speaking of

2306
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 1: that franchise is God for and they deserve every bad

2307
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 1: thing that happens to him.

2308
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,559
Speaker 4: Speaking of John Jones, Luke not a big NBA fan.

2309
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 3: It turns out, I just want to see the New

2310
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 3: York Knicks game this weekend.

2311
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 1: Last Friday night, and it wasn't Friday night, I think

2312
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,599
Speaker 1: it was Thursday night. Last Thursday night, New York Knicks

2313
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 1: was playing against the Buffalo Bills. That Buffalo Bills with

2314
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bulls.

2315
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:22,599
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bulls.

2316
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 1: Luke, here you go, Yes, okay, New York Knicks against

2317
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:31,040
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bowls. That's you talking about Premier League soccer.

2318
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, isn't a hazy Burrow playing shibbles Worth exactly?

2319
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 4: Luke? Speaking of Bony, if you've ever wondered whether he's packing,

2320
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 4: he Dana confirmed it to TMZ.

2321
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 2: So you would be shocked if this was the last

2322
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:48,200
Speaker 2: time we saw John and Octagon tomorrow night. I wouldn't

2323
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:51,760
Speaker 2: be shocked if he said I retire tomorrow night, that

2324
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:53,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me at all. I mean he's earned it.

2325
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 2: I mean the guy's thirty seven, thirty eight years old.

2326
01:53:56,280 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 2: Now he's beat everybody, he's never lost. The youngest heavyweight champion,

2327
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 2: hungest champion of all time, right.

2328
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 4: Look, the youngest champion of all the most well hung

2329
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:10,639
Speaker 4: champion of all time.

2330
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 1: He is the that is you know, listen, that is

2331
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 1: a certain form of royalty in this this world.

2332
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:18,720
Speaker 4: Luke's I don't know if your wife have confirmed that

2333
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 4: this is correct. But did you hear about the new

2334
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 4: pronunciation for al Jamaine Sterling's first name? Teddy Atlas shares it.

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Speaker 1: And yours who have Sterling? Uh Ala John al of

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Speaker 1: mine Sterling.

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01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 4: Close close, Teddy, very close.

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01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 1: He's out there naming dinosaurs alisauris uh velociraptor.

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01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 4: Look, have you ever gotten high with your grandma before?

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01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 1: Uh? No, I cannot say that I have.

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01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 4: What could go wrong? Let's watch?

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01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 8: I don't want your mo.

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01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 1: Where's my mother? Where's not did you do not? Dude?

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01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:25,720
Speaker 1: Somebody surely there is somebody in the m K universe

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01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: that can get me a hair dryer and then do

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01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 1: that to me what that guy just did to his grandma.

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01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:31,879
Speaker 4: Like, I think it's possible.

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01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: Just send me to the next realm of existence.

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01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 4: Please shout out to the guy who showed up to

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01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 4: our three Margarita show with that little container of brownies?

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01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 1: Loop? Did you not?

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01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 4: Did you not shake that?

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01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 1: I think? I think, I think after the day that

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01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: I had had, I probably brownies was not the best idea.

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01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 1: You know.

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01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 4: Okay, let's go to karate combat. Raphael Elvis delivered this

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01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 4: insane copple wear Ko Luke watched this.

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01:55:53,320 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 1: In some of those rotations with a couple kicked in

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01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 1: the head looking for the only.

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01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 4: Finish, or maybe it wasn't a finish, but that was great.

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01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 1: That's insane. The dude, he was the guy that also

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01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 1: knocked out James Vick. You'll recall that the one who

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01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 1: sent James Vick to the Land of Wind and Ghosts. Like, dude,

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01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:15,440
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't the best fighter, but that dude is

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01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 1: athletic as fuck.

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01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 4: Look are you subscribed to Shop's other channel, Eat fast

2367
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 4: get gas. Well, let's watch this clip.

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01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you something else.

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01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:26,600
Speaker 4: Watch this.

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01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 5: Oh my god, can you eat pussy like that?

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01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 1: You know what? It's a relevant question? Yeah, yeah, it's

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01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 1: a relevant question.

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01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 4: Have you ever hear that song? This store is.

2374
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 1: On fire, this house, this girl?

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01:56:51,800 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 4: Watch this? All right? That guy seems angry?

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01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 1: Oh what the fuck?

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01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:09,120
Speaker 4: I mean, what happened there, Luke?

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01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't everyone was kind of nonchalant. He's just setting

2379
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 1: ship on fire like the joker in the hospital scene.

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01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, pick a number, Luke, on this next one.

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01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 4: Any number. I just want you to pick one.

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01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:24,400
Speaker 1: Of these numbers. And did ever number you picked?

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01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:25,760
Speaker 6: That's the price you we get in.

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01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: Three.

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01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 2: Sure you can change your mind this one. For sure.

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01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:51,920
Speaker 4: She got luck.

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01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 1: That is awesome. That's a good bit.

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01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 4: That was a good right. Uh. Check out this bad

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01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 4: timed photo bomb.

2390
01:57:58,840 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 1: You don't want to what he seen.

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01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 4: It's taking place right now in Springfield, Illinois. If you've

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01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 4: ever wondered what a thousand pound cow looks like, I'm

2393
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 4: closing in person, this is the place to come.

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01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 1: Also, maybe if he wondered.

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01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:18,600
Speaker 4: Tough break for that poor young woman. Wow, all right,

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01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 4: Luka's time for your hat of the week. You down

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01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 4: with this?

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01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a great lifestyle.

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01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:30,600
Speaker 4: That's great life. Right, yeah, that is I've lived in

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01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 4: a long time. All right, Luke, time we don't have

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01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 4: elder abuse this week. We do have child abuseless. Watch this.

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01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 4: Oh look look some sweet chiin music right there.

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01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 1: Dude, look at this. She comes flying out bah hold

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01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 1: that Wow?

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01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,400
Speaker 4: A young ditch of all right there, Wow.

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01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:52,880
Speaker 1: And look at it. Look at the smile on her face.

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01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 1: That's a self satisfied abuser.

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01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 4: Look you ever see when they show old commercials from

2409
01:58:57,640 --> 01:58:59,440
Speaker 4: our youth and we're like, man, life.

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01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 1: Was just different then, right, that's true.

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01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 4: Yes, I got this one.

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01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm not John Elway, but I'm gonna mag John Elway's

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01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:13,680
Speaker 3: record with the new four Tech Megaplay, A new.

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01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:20,680
Speaker 4: That was a little aggressive, but that was the nineties.

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01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 1: Look great, wow, foreshadowing the foreshadowing the two thousands in

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01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:26,880
Speaker 1: a very unusual way.

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01:59:27,080 --> 01:59:29,280
Speaker 8: I remember that commercials so well too.

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01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't remember it ending like that. Let's go

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01:59:31,680 --> 01:59:33,880
Speaker 4: over to this. Uh this kid, Luke, I don't like him.

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01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 1: Is your aim in life? What would you love to

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01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: be doing in say, ten years time? Have you thought

2422
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 1: about it because I know you love history, right, you love.

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01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 8: History, Driving planes and buildings, driving on driving planes into skyscrapers.

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01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:52,960
Speaker 1: Right.

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01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 6: Well, let's say that's not a career option.

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01:59:54,400 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 1: What else would you like to do? Move to a

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02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 1: rock and become a terrorist.

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02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:07,320
Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's that. Somebody, somebody gets. Get a handle

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02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 4: on that kid. Wow.

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02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:12,760
Speaker 1: All right, uh online, Well we'll radicalize these kids, you know.

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02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 4: No doubt about it. Finally, Luke, you can do it

2432
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:17,640
Speaker 4: for the GRAM. You may die in the process, though.

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02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,840
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of the road. Get the fuck

2434
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 1: out of the road, you idiot. Yeap.

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02:00:24,160 --> 02:00:29,800
Speaker 4: Oh, oh my god, Oh wow.

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02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:32,720
Speaker 1: You know what this is. That's just that's just I mean,

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02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 1: there is BC. I never know if there's a God.

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02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,920
Speaker 1: It's really hard to know. But then I see this

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02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 1: and I think God loves us all you know.

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02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:41,720
Speaker 4: Wow, that's street justice right there. That's all the ship

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02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:43,440
Speaker 4: I got this week. Luke, I hope you saw it.

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02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 1: That was great. That was great. All right, Well, thank

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02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,960
Speaker 1: you to everyone who watched today. Hey, happy holidays to

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02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,600
Speaker 1: all of you. Merry Christmas. We will be back on Friday.

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02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 1: We'll have a live show on Friday. I don't know

2446
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:54,720
Speaker 1: what the fuck we're gonna do. So I think we're

2447
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:56,920
Speaker 1: gonna get What are we gonna do? You want to do?

2448
02:00:59,080 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this.

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02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 4: Let's get raw Dog out here.

2450
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:03,600
Speaker 1: All right, We'll get raw Dog out here. Let's put

2451
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: up the Gmail address one more time if we can,

2452
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Morning combat at gmail dot com, Morning Combat at gmail

2453
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:12,160
Speaker 1: dot com, send us some emails. Let's do like a

2454
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:15,520
Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty four kind of thing, because the

2455
02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 1: reality is we can't do our year end awards until

2456
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:22,160
Speaker 1: the following Monday BC because that's the last day of

2457
02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 1: the year before the end of the year. Sure, so

2458
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:28,000
Speaker 1: we'll do like a bit of a grab bag whatever

2459
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 1: else you guys want to get to Morning Coombat at

2460
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:32,040
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Hit us up, let us know what's

2461
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:33,720
Speaker 1: going on, and we'll have a good time.

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02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:36,880
Speaker 4: All right. I like that idea. And you know, happy

2463
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 4: holidays out there, I mean happy Hanukah, Kwansa Christmas. It's

2464
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:43,400
Speaker 4: a great time, Luke, to press pause on the life,

2465
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 4: to put the phone down and focus on the blessings

2466
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:53,200
Speaker 4: you have in front of you, wife, kids, animals, parents, nephews, cousins, neighbors.

2467
02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:55,680
Speaker 4: Get out there and touch somebody, you know what I mean.

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02:01:56,240 --> 02:02:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just legally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess, Luke.

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02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:04,800
Speaker 4: Guess guess who's here. Guess guess who made it?

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02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:09,920
Speaker 1: Look at that puss, any buddy? Yeah is he is?

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02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 4: He yelling at you, He is yelling at me. He's

2472
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 4: very vocal. He knows, you know, he's you know, he

2473
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:17,640
Speaker 4: really lives his whole life only focused on him. It's

2474
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:18,959
Speaker 4: a remarkable existence.

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02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:20,240
Speaker 1: That's every cat.

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02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was specifically this guy.

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02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want him to bite your fucking face.

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02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:26,840
Speaker 4: No way, no way. He's in a good mood right now.

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02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:27,440
Speaker 4: Let's let him.

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02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:32,800
Speaker 1: Let's let you stay. Okay, great guys, Happy holidays to you,

2481
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 1: Happy holidays to Long Island, Luke, everybody who works on

2482
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:39,080
Speaker 1: the show. No texting and driving, no drinking and driving.

2483
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:43,320
Speaker 1: Let's all be safe and uh let's reconvene obviously on

2484
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:46,640
Speaker 1: Friday after all the holiday festivities, and we'll get ready

2485
02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 1: to close out twenty twenty four.

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02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:51,160
Speaker 4: All right, there it is, whoomp, there it is Luke.

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02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:54,160
Speaker 1: Okay, you can follow us there on all our socials again.

2488
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 1: One more time Morning Combat at gmail dot com to

2489
02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:59,760
Speaker 1: contact the show and send us some stuff for you

2490
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 1: ad email back edition. But we're done for Long Island.

2491
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:06,360
Speaker 1: Luke for Reggie Jackson, the Cat for Brian Campbell. I'm

2492
02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for watching, and

2493
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,840
Speaker 1: until next time all of your gains. Be loyal