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Speaker 1: a very good Friday, back at it in the podcast

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Speaker 1: Vernon Davis, you know the name. You know the name.

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Speaker 1: I've got it. I got hit called camp chance did

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Speaker 1: uh Asan Wilson, I mean, just Asan this but he

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I've had many moments like like that. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have that distracting. I kept doing

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Speaker 1: what I have to do. That's crazy. No surgeries in

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Speaker 1: fourteen years in the NFL. That's wild. It's crazy. Looking

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Speaker 1: at the NFL now, the tight end position. Now, you

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Speaker 1: you were seeing as I remembined you were coming out

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Speaker 1: of college, when people thought of you as like this

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Speaker 1: unicorn that you and you lad this. I feel like

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Speaker 1: you were one of the leaders of this new wave

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Speaker 1: of tight ends where the tight end in the NFL

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Speaker 1: these days. I haven't played in a few years, but

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Speaker 1: the tight end is a central part of a number

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Speaker 1: of offenses around the NFL. You do you feel like

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Speaker 1: the forefather of the modern era of the tight end?

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Speaker 1: Vernon They had a little role because of your speed

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Speaker 1: and what you brought to the game. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I mean, I think I think I was,

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Speaker 1: you know, as far as I don't think as far

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Speaker 1: as running the fastest times for a tight end NFL history,

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Speaker 1: I think that really that was just something that I've

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00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: always been good at. I've always been fast. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: I've had to really is I got bigger. I kept

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Speaker 1: my speed for some reason, some odd reason. But I

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Speaker 1: think I think that has to do with me continue

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Speaker 1: to work on certain things like um being exposed, um

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Speaker 1: running track, and just continue to the battlements player. But

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Speaker 1: also I don't know, I don't know. I just I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't I guess, I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: my speed is like the number one thing that allowed

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Speaker 1: me to be able to do some of the things

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Speaker 1: that I was able to do is a tight end. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you look around now and you know Travis Kelsey

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Speaker 1: and Kansas I go down a list if you want.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a bunch of guys that are

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Speaker 1: playing tight end that are that are like the key

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Speaker 1: guy or one of the key players in their offense

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Speaker 1: and and really seemed kind of as a like a

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Speaker 1: receiver almost right these days. Runing the way that they

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Speaker 1: these teams are playing these days in the NFL, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty pretty wild to see the change, and it's really

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Speaker 1: happened within the last like five ten years or so.

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Speaker 1: I would say, you agree with that or disagree with that? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, I think you started with

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Speaker 1: guys like Kelly when so see you who who's someone

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Speaker 1: who I looked up to. And then you know his

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00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: son came along and they got Mackie and chanting sharp. Well,

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Speaker 1: have you have guys of that of that caliber? You know,

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Speaker 1: they were really and Tony Gonsot you know, I can't

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Speaker 1: as well as Tony uh Antonio Gates. Those guys are

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Speaker 1: those were bride receiver tight ends, but they also could block,

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Speaker 1: you know, they did it all. But yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's what I think. When I came in, I think

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Speaker 1: what I what I did, I added to to what

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Speaker 1: those guys were already doing. But my speed was just different.

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Speaker 1: You know, stretched the field, get downfield, and you know

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00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: when I came in, they they put the line, they

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Speaker 1: had a lineback on me at first, and then what

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00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: happened was, you know, I started to take the middle

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Speaker 1: of the field. We had with these plays where the

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Speaker 1: Titans run now unto the field because it was always

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Speaker 1: a couple of two, it was always open. Then they

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Speaker 1: started dropping they do Tampa two where they dropped the

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Speaker 1: mic back, so the Titan couldn't take the middle field, right,

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Speaker 1: But then what happened so fast and I started running back,

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00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 1: running by the lineback even in Tampa two. So they

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00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: had to figure out that. So then they had to

497
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Speaker 1: come up with another way to take that. Now, so

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00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: what happens, So what happens now the mike the mike

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00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: and Tampa two, the Mike drops back a lot faster,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of wouldn't get down there. Yeah, I've

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00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: seen a lot of change, you know, as far as

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Speaker 1: me playing the game, you know. Yeah, And and I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, and the fact that you and your

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Speaker 1: your younger brother both played in the NFL, that's pretty

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Speaker 1: I know it's happened every once in a while. That's

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00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: pretty impressive that you two guys, uh, we're able to

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Speaker 1: make the end of it. Was just something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you obviously had a rough child that it's been well

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Speaker 1: documented U from you know, growing up in d C

510
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: and whatnot. What do you what do you think was

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Speaker 1: that the reason because you had such a kind of

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00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: a tough time as a kid, growing up that you

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Speaker 1: and your brother both were able to make the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. But when I got drafted,

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00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: I heard a cool fact. They said that my brother

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Speaker 1: I was the fourth generation of brothers to get drafted

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Speaker 1: in the first round. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I thought

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00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: that was uh yeah, but you know, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: You know, I used to put my brother along with

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00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: me when I was when he was in grade school.

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00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: I used to make him go to the field with

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Speaker 1: me and do these workouts because I used to sneak

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Speaker 1: out of the house when I was Jennie High School.

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Speaker 1: I used to sneak out late at night, about twelve am,

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Speaker 1: and I used to go over the field and work

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Speaker 1: on my game. Oh wow, that's cool that you were

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00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: getting You were getting in trouble running or you just

528
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: working on your game? Were you getting out? Were you

529
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: haven't even issues out? No, I was actually going to

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00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: work in my game. I was cool, like there was

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00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: someone out there out work in me. And I had

532
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: this thing in my mind. My parents and my grandparents

533
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't understand it. I just knew that I had to.

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00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: I wanted to make it so bad. I wanted to

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00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: be successful and sports. But the only way to be

536
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: successful sports is to put the working and to me,

537
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: going outside late at night and working out, jumping, running hills.

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00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: I was doing all kinds of step man, and I

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00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: made sure I was just I was. I was accountable

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Speaker 1: enough to make sure that I got back home and

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00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: I got get in trouble. You know, I didn't get

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00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: any trouble at that age when I was a sleeper

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00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: at the house. I was absolutely going to work on

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00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: my game and it paid off. And you're working on

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00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: your game and acting and all that, and again, you

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00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: want to check out Vernony co stars here here Tyler

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00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: Cobb right this new project that's on Pure flicks dot com,

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00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Going Home, it's streaming. You can check that out and Vernon,

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00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: thank you for your time, man. I appreciate it. Good

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00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: luck in Hollywood and acting, and we look forward to

551
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: seeing this project here. And I'm sure you'll be in

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00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: many other projects over in the next few years, so

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Speaker 1: I look forward to checking that out. Thank you, Vernon