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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry and

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson, and I seem to be forgetting

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Speaker 1: how we do interest to shows lately he talked about

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Speaker 1: roads and highways. This week we did, and we promised

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Speaker 1: we would talk about comparing auto grills to things we

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Speaker 1: have in the US that we were more familiar with,

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Speaker 1: although we have been to auto grills, yeah and so well.

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Speaker 1: When I read your description in the outline, I had

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Speaker 1: this moment where I forgot we ever drove anywhere in Italy,

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Speaker 1: and forgot that we made stops on the drive in

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Speaker 1: Italy and must have been in a place that would

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Speaker 1: be like under the umbrella of an autogrill, which I

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Speaker 1: did not find to be enormously different from some of

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Speaker 1: the service plazas that we have in Massachusetts and other

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Speaker 1: parts of the Northeast. So, in my mind, a rest

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Speaker 1: area on an interstate highway in the US is one

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Speaker 1: of the places where you pull into a lane from

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Speaker 1: the highway and it takes you directly to the parking

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Speaker 1: for that like you're not getting off into secondary roads

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Speaker 1: and making other turns you're getting off the highway to

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Speaker 1: the rest area, and the rest area in most of

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Speaker 1: the places that I've lived in, like the Southeast, that

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Speaker 1: includes a bathroom and vending machines, and if you're at

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Speaker 1: a state line, maybe also a visitor center that has

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Speaker 1: maps and brochures and stuff. When I moved to Massachusetts,

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Speaker 1: the first time we went on a road trip and

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Speaker 1: we pulled off the highway into a service plaza which

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Speaker 1: had more like a bathroom, a convenience store, multiple quick

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Speaker 1: service restaurants, and gas pumps. I was like, what is

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Speaker 1: this miracle? And the places that I remember, specifically one

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Speaker 1: place that we stopped in Italy that felt like sort

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Speaker 1: of a slightly more upscale version of that to me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: although I will call you on a lack of memory, okay,

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Speaker 1: because it only just occurred to me that you and

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Speaker 1: I have stopped at such a service plaza in the

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Speaker 1: South uh huh on the way to Disney World, okay

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Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. Yeah, Oka humpka service plaza, which I

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Speaker 1: almost always hit on my head. And then there's like

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Speaker 1: also a thing I mentally have as a separate category,

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Speaker 1: which is the truck stop and the truck stop is

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Speaker 1: a lot like a service plaza, maybe also has showers

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Speaker 1: right to go with the bathrooms, but is like not

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Speaker 1: a thing that you pull into a lane on the

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Speaker 1: highway and that highway lane takes you directly to it.

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Speaker 1: Like the truck stop you get off the highway to

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Speaker 1: go to. Everyone I'm sure is very fascinated by my

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Speaker 1: mental hierarchy of places to stop on the highway. Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing that really separates for me about auto grills

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Speaker 1: that you just get off and you're right there, it's

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Speaker 1: right off of the highway. And two, unlike a service

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Speaker 1: plaza where it's kind of like a bunch of vendors

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Speaker 1: they're usually one. It's one big thing. It's not so

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Speaker 1: like you can pick up your sandwich, get a candy bar,

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Speaker 1: and you know, twenty seven sodas if you're me, and

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Speaker 1: then you check out with all of that at the

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Speaker 1: same place. Yeah, I only got snacks and a drink.

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Speaker 1: Snacks as in prepackaged things to be consumed out of

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Speaker 1: their packaging, not like a meal when we when I

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Speaker 1: remember stop and when we were in Italy, well, we

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Speaker 1: also had the wonderful thing of like that we have

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Speaker 1: had on all of our international trips that we've done

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Speaker 1: through the show spectacular groups of people. The Italian trip

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Speaker 1: was so fun because it felt very much like family.

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Speaker 1: And what was happening is when we stopped at auto grills,

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Speaker 1: people would buy things and then they would all get

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Speaker 1: passed around the bus. So everybody was trying everybody's everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it was very, very fun, to the point that

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Speaker 1: didn't have everybody with you know, the same licorice, marshmallows

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah. I just remember us all being kind

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Speaker 1: of blown away by how nice they were. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: they're way nicer. I will say I have never been

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Speaker 1: singing right now. I have never been to a Bucky's. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what BUCkies. I know what BUCkies is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know people that love love, love all caps, love

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Speaker 1: and at one point. My beloved stopped there when he

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Speaker 1: remember him texting me like, it's a lot, it's a

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Speaker 1: I also will say that when I'm traveling in the

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Speaker 1: everybody stop and get out and have your bathroom brains together.

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Speaker 1: I'll take all the time in the world. But if

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Speaker 1: I'm driving people, particularly like to Disney World, I'm like

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Speaker 1: the worst stereo type of like a sitcom Dad there

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Speaker 1: ever was where I'm like, all right, you guys, pee

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Speaker 1: really fast. You have right back in this car. No,

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Speaker 1: we are not stopping for that, No we are not.

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Speaker 1: I'm It's one of the reasons I like to drive

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Speaker 1: through the night. If we can start at two in

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Speaker 1: the morning, everybody falls asleep and leaves me alone to drive.

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Speaker 1: I also like it because I will just be in

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Speaker 1: my head thinking my thoughts, and that's quite enjoyable to me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not as much as like, oh this part

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Speaker 1: of the journey is the party. No, get back in

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Speaker 1: the car, let's go. Possibly why I don't really remember

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Speaker 1: the service Plastic that I stopped at on that trip,

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Speaker 1: Tracy Curry, we have time to buy one donut. Get out.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I remember about about that drive. I remember

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Speaker 1: that we left my house really really early in the morning.

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Speaker 1: It was two am. Yeah, And I remember we were

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Speaker 1: somewhere and you and I were the only ones awake.

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Speaker 1: I think Brian was asleep, and I was telling you

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Speaker 1: something that had happened on Rift Tracks. Yes, and I

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Speaker 1: started laughing so hard that I thought I might wet

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Speaker 1: my pants. If you are a Rift Tracks fan, it

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Speaker 1: was or can't spell, but it mouse, Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: stopped somewhere, and the rest of the both drives, it's

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Speaker 1: just a fog. Well I do because I made you.

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Speaker 1: can get to one of my favorite breakfast restaurants in

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Speaker 1: time for breakfast at a nine or nine thirty seating

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Speaker 1: go to Boma. Yeah, breakfast. It's the best to have

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Speaker 1: and now we have been, especially if it's just me

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Speaker 1: time we leave, and we have been flying down more,

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Speaker 1: been a minute. I think the last time I did

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Speaker 1: Before moving to New England, I went on a number

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Speaker 1: I drove when I wasn't living in Asheville, I drove

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Speaker 1: there are more trains, I'm increasingly like, can I get

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Speaker 1: I don't mind driving at all. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: which feels very luxurious to me, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: can't be answering emails. I can't be answering texts. Oh

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Speaker 1: can now because technology is evolved, where like I can

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Speaker 1: the meditation of travel. I do always marvel at highways

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Speaker 1: in other countries, just because I'd like to notice the

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Speaker 1: on a lot of them. My family, when I was nine,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. It

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Speaker 1: I have associations of like the bickering that goes on

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Speaker 1: I bet you camp please, yeah, please? Ah, roads, there

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Speaker 1: we could do a whole other We do a series

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Speaker 1: I've had I've had Root sixty six on my short

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Speaker 1: its whole persona. Yeah. In the United States, really and

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Speaker 1: then not so much roads. There are long distance trails

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Speaker 1: you know, the funding of the government to build a road,

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Speaker 1: but there were a lot of other roads that were

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Speaker 1: really really really terrible for decades after that. Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth Infantry Regiment Bicycle Corps, which had another big

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