WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 5/25: Position groups we are looking to watch at OTAs

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Lazar and Alex bar from Lazarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bark.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. I'm doing edge defenders.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you don't like. You don't like edge a position.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a real position.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a real posit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it's a real No, it's a defensive end

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<v Speaker 1>outside linebacker. We use edge because coming into the draft

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<v Speaker 1>there are guys that in one system might play and

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<v Speaker 1>in another system might play outside linebacker. So, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's going into the draft, and we don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>system they're in, so we can't classify them as one

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. One. We're talking about the Patriots. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a system. We know where they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be playing. All right, you even just say, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you even alright, go ahead, paid just said you have

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<v Speaker 1>Kean White is a defensive end?

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<v Speaker 3>I do?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that edge? No, So you're just saying outside linebackers,

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<v Speaker 1>you're calling them.

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<v Speaker 2>Egg Yeah, that's our show in a nutshell, Alex like

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<v Speaker 2>that that right there is our show. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>like a snippet of what you're gonna get when you

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<v Speaker 2>turn on Patriots Catch twenty two that thirty second clip.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like that? That's it right there? Pretty much?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it us arguing over what is and isn't an edge?

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<v Speaker 2>And if that's a real position, is it's perfect? So

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<v Speaker 2>Evan Lazar and Alex Bart with you for the next

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<v Speaker 2>hour or so here on Patriots Catch twenty two. We

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of talk about I wish it was

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<v Speaker 2>about other things, like we were supposed to be out

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<v Speaker 2>at practice today and talking about real football on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna be talking about what's going on here

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<v Speaker 2>the news with the Patriots losing two ota practices. There's

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<v Speaker 2>since been a little bit more information coming out about

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<v Speaker 2>exactly why they were stripped to too practices, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna touch on it. We're not you know, it's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>because when this when the when they canceled practice yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been a little bit of a roller coaster as

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<v Speaker 2>when they canceled practice yesterday, it felt like they were

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<v Speaker 2>canceling practice to quite frankly stick it to us, like

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<v Speaker 2>you're not invited anymore, guys. Sorry. Right then, we got

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<v Speaker 2>over that this morning with Pro Football talk reporting that

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<v Speaker 2>it was because of a special teams meeting, a fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minute special teams meeting, where the league felt like it

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<v Speaker 2>came across as mandatory even though things this time of

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<v Speaker 2>year are supposed to be voluntary. Right, That's that's basically

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<v Speaker 2>the crux of it, which to which just an hour

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<v Speaker 2>or so go on Patriots unfiltered. I was pissed about.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, this is ridiculous, like either everything is voluntary

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<v Speaker 2>or everything's mandatory, but nothing this time of year is mandatory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all voluntary. Whether you go out to practice, whether

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<v Speaker 2>you go out in the way, you know, go work

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<v Speaker 2>out in the weight room, whether you're here at the

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<v Speaker 2>facility at all right now is voluntary. So how can

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<v Speaker 2>we have gray areas? But what isn't It isn't perceived

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<v Speaker 2>as voluntary when the whole off season program as an

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<v Speaker 2>entirety is voluntary. So that piece of it bugged me.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a little bit more come out now from

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Badard that it seemed like the what he had

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<v Speaker 2>heard is that the Patriots were here for maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit longer than the allotted amount of time to

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<v Speaker 2>hold this special teams meeting. So if that is the truth,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is the case. And I'm not questioning Greg's supporting,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is there's a lot of behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>details with these types of things.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of interpretation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if that's the case, then I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a violation. You know, there's you're only supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be here for four hours per day. If you're here

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<v Speaker 2>for longer than that, then you're here for longer than

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<v Speaker 2>that that and that's a violation. But I think where

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<v Speaker 2>I come from ef this you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can so the way I interpreted it is like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>these sessions are not the sessions are optional, right, just

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<v Speaker 1>being here at this time as optional. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's something within, like for those who are here, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't just come in and do what you want to do, right,

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<v Speaker 1>If you're gonna be you're gonna get part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You're part of the program program. Yeah, So the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is was it mandatory? Was the meeting meeting mandatory for

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<v Speaker 1>those in attendance to get what I'm saying, yes, Like

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that's where it comes up versus I

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<v Speaker 1>think because I'm I tried reading through all this last night.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very dense. I sent it to my brother who's

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer. He hasn't texted me back. But for basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the way I look at it is like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>can be here for longer than four hours, but the

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<v Speaker 1>team can't give you more than four hours to if

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<v Speaker 1>those four hours hit and you're like, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>get a lift in, you can go get a lift in.

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<v Speaker 1>So it kind of reads like, Hey, the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, we're gonna all meet with Joe Judge and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of talk about special team stuff. But the way

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<v Speaker 1>in which it was listed on the schedule wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hey, if you're still around to come by.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more of a this is part of the

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<v Speaker 1>day today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And that I can sort of understand. I

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<v Speaker 2>still think and look when when when his name, Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Judge's name is included in this report from Bedard And

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<v Speaker 2>it's a sticking point right now for Patriots fans. We

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<v Speaker 2>we both realize that right that that just him in

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<v Speaker 2>general right now is not He's not the most popular

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<v Speaker 2>guy on the block. Let me let me put it

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<v Speaker 2>to you that way. But that being said, I still

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<v Speaker 2>think that the punishment's a little harsh, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>the main thing is is that you can't have it

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<v Speaker 2>both ways. If you're the NFL, you can't hold these

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<v Speaker 2>off season programs. Insist that they're voluntary, but all thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two teams approach it the same way. And I said

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<v Speaker 2>this this earlier. If you're if you're Stefan Diggs in Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 2>does Stefon Diggs need to come to ot As. No,

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<v Speaker 2>Stefan Digs ain't getting cut. Stefan Diggs is not getting traded.

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<v Speaker 2>Stefan Diggs is not in jepfer. Are you losing his job?

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<v Speaker 2>He's not fighting for a roster spot. It's just like

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<v Speaker 2>when Brady would wouldn't come and we'd go do his

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<v Speaker 2>own thing in the off season and then come back

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<v Speaker 2>from mandatory mini camp. Those guys, for better or worse,

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<v Speaker 2>are are different for the ninetieth guy on the roster right,

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<v Speaker 2>For for Anthony Firksker, they just signed like an hour ago.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got to be here, right. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>make the team, you're gonna be here. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>think that it's it's such a wonky thing of it's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly wink wink, nod nod mandatory for guys that aren't

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady's.

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<v Speaker 1>In sorry, is well, okay, it's not option, it's not mandatory,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also not mandatory we keep you on the

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<v Speaker 1>roster right past camp. You want a little more details

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<v Speaker 1>on this, Yeah, we're tricking in. So Mike Grd quote

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<v Speaker 1>tweeted Greg's report said, can confirm this and also note

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<v Speaker 1>that per sources, the players were aware they were being

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<v Speaker 1>asked to stay longer than allowed. Did they help alert

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<v Speaker 1>the NFLPA. I don't have the answer to that as

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<v Speaker 1>of now, but basically, the players knew sitting in that meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey this is a violation, is what Mike is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and still went. So that's a really interesting dynamic. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm kind of talking through this. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>blaming anybody, but did the players say, hey, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not right, we're not supposed to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they go?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they go and then say something like That's a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting dynamic that the players knew that it was

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<v Speaker 1>a violation. So, and it goes back to your point

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<v Speaker 1>with Joe Judge. And I thought it was interesting in

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<v Speaker 1>Greg's report too that he has that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>league in the league documents which he has that Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Judge referred to as a special teams coach, and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of formalizes something a lot of us that expected.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is interesting that this whole thing's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>centering around him.

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<v Speaker 2>Not great, not great, and it's not it's not even

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<v Speaker 2>just a judge because I don't want to make him

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<v Speaker 2>like a target for people, because there's already enough of

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<v Speaker 2>a target for people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why I'm saying, like the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>ends up in the middle of this is kind of like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think what the biggest thing that we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about off air, the most important thing, because

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<v Speaker 2>when this originally happened, I full hand up on this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was pissed because we couldn't go to practice today

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm gonna admit that, like I wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was excited. You know what, we we nerd out

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<v Speaker 2>about this kind of stuff. We get to go watch

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<v Speaker 2>them play some semblance of real football. We get to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you know, the listeners, everybody, and you get

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to you guys about it, Like we like

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. This is what we what we're in the

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<v Speaker 2>job for, is what we're so I was mad about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but that aside, I think what's more important is that

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<v Speaker 2>they just lost four hours of practice. They just lost

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<v Speaker 2>four hours of practice in the spring. It's clear. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I just said that Tom Brady and Stefon Diggs. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know Sewan Diggs. That's not news breaks is retired.

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<v Speaker 2>Diggs isn't that OTAs. The Bills aren't gonna lose the

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<v Speaker 2>AFC Championship game because the fond Diggs didn't go to

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<v Speaker 2>OTAs right like that, that's not going to be the case.

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<v Speaker 2>But the bottom line is is that you have a

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<v Speaker 2>new offensive coordinator, you're changing some things. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>if Joe Judges is involved on special teams that he's

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<v Speaker 2>calling meetings, it sounds like you're changing some things on

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<v Speaker 2>special teams as well. And the bottom line is is

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<v Speaker 2>that you just lost four hours of practice time and

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<v Speaker 2>that in itself is something to be critical about because

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<v Speaker 2>you you need every ounce of practice that you could

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<v Speaker 2>possibly get. And at this time yesterday, when it just

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<v Speaker 2>felt like they were just canceling, just to cancel, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, what they think they're ready? Like they

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<v Speaker 2>think they're you know, they don't need these practices. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that this comes out, it adds another layer to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But certainly it's still in the same realm of let's

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<v Speaker 2>button it up here, guys, right, Like, let's let's get

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<v Speaker 2>a hold of these things a little bit more. Because

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff for a team that's trying to rebuild or

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<v Speaker 2>retool or reinvigorate, whatever word you want to use, this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff can matter. It can matter. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that as a Patriot fan, I would be a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit disappointed in the team that they allowed this to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>that they are losing two practices that now I think

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing and with this Joe Judge report coming out,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest fear that I have is that this sounds

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<v Speaker 2>a lot like last year. Yeah, this sounds a lot

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<v Speaker 2>like last year with the situation, the setup on offense,

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<v Speaker 2>and the players either not being on the same page

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<v Speaker 2>as the coaches, the players not agreeing with the philosophies

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<v Speaker 2>or the methods of the coaches. And this is same book,

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<v Speaker 2>different chapter. And I think that in order for this

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<v Speaker 2>team to get where we want this team to go,

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<v Speaker 2>they need to be clean slate from last year. Just

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<v Speaker 2>like Bill O'Brien said, right, you need to completely wipe

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<v Speaker 2>the slate, cleaning of any of that type of thing

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<v Speaker 2>going on. So it's that part of it I think

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<v Speaker 2>is maybe even more important than the four hours of

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<v Speaker 2>practice time, is that this is the type of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that was happening in last year. And now how do

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<v Speaker 2>these players that were you know, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>have to worry about like Matthew Slater, right, but what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think Chris Board's thinking, Well, you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think you know a mere speed in Isaiah

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<v Speaker 2>Bolden and you know the guys that they drafted at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the draft of special teams guys. It

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<v Speaker 2>just you don't need this right now. You need to

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<v Speaker 2>get everybody pulling the rope in the same direction. And

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<v Speaker 2>this makes it feel a lot like last year that

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's there's a chasm, right, there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a sticking point there. So that that's your that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>where we're at right now with the Patriots and and

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<v Speaker 2>the OTAs well.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just said the other thing too. You mentioned you know,

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<v Speaker 1>guys on the same page and might you already had

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<v Speaker 1>it there? The players knew that it was past the

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<v Speaker 1>alloted time, and you know, did they or are they

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who went to the NFLPA or No, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know two of the Patriots for NFLPA reps or

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Cardon and Cody Davis special teamers. So that's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting wrinkle. And one more thing on the practice thing

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<v Speaker 1>too that you were talking about. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to sound this out sounding over le dramatic,

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<v Speaker 1>So just no, I don't. There's not a better way

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<v Speaker 1>to phrase this. But there are ota practices. I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're non padded and air all that doesn't this like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of put pressure on the players now for Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>because if they come out and they don't look great,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know it's ot. They'm not saying if like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, oh, they're struggling, like if the defense is

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<v Speaker 1>making plays, the defense is making place. But I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>if they come out and it looks like early training

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<v Speaker 1>camp last year, where guys are running the wrong routes,

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<v Speaker 1>or guys are running into each other, or they can't

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<v Speaker 1>get the playoff in time and things like that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be they're gonna get a lot of questions about

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<v Speaker 1>do you guys feel like you could have used those

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<v Speaker 1>extra practices? Do you feel like you guys missed that

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<v Speaker 1>practic this time? When I say there's pressure on this

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<v Speaker 1>as an OTAM talking relative compared to a normal attell,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's which has zero stakes. But there is something

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<v Speaker 1>there now.

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<v Speaker 2>It just this is our first look in at the team.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was already gonna be intrigue about how things

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<v Speaker 2>were going. Intrigued pressure, But I just mean like there's

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<v Speaker 2>always gonna be stories coming out of that of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what was Bill O'Brien, like, what was Joe Judge doing?

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<v Speaker 2>But now that gets ramped up. Right now, now, well

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<v Speaker 2>that's the coaches right now, there's pressure on where are

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<v Speaker 2>they at?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what does it look like? Where are they at?

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<v Speaker 2>What what's Joe Judge look like? And what sort of

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<v Speaker 2>his dynamic like his interactions with players, Like if he's coaching,

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<v Speaker 2>if he's a special teams coach, that means that he's

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<v Speaker 2>hands on coaching, right, if he's leading meetings, he's hands on.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do how are players responding to him? How

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<v Speaker 2>how is this whole thing going? It's uh, it's another

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<v Speaker 2>it's another sort of thing that they just don't need.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what his bottom line is is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not you're you're right, It's not the biggest deal in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. It's spring practices. There's no reason to blow

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<v Speaker 2>it out of proportion. But at the same time, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just one of those things that you just don't need.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to lose practices, you don't need it

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<v Speaker 2>to be go this way and have it be because

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<v Speaker 2>of these types of things. And you, if you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to turn this football team around, this is just not

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<v Speaker 2>something that you need right now. So it's just, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see where it goes. Wednesday's gonna be interesting. That

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. I mean it was already gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>like somewhat interesting, but now forget about it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>now it's really interesting now. And now we'll see what

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<v Speaker 2>with all this, you know, all this kind of shakes

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<v Speaker 2>out and special teams is still as much as they've

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<v Speaker 2>turned over the personnel there. There was questions about Camra

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<v Speaker 2>Cord from a lot of people. I get emails and

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<v Speaker 2>texts and the d ms about that all the time, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, okay, well they brought in Chris Board, they

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<v Speaker 2>brought in this guy, but how they still have the

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<v Speaker 2>same coat. So now Joe Judge sounds like he's maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even more involved than we even thought, almost like a

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<v Speaker 2>de facto assistant Special Teams Coordinator or something like that

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<v Speaker 2>if he's leading meetings and things like that. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be fascinating. We're we are going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on or will be going on on the

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<v Speaker 2>field at OTAs we both Alex and I both wrote

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<v Speaker 2>OTA previews for the practice that was supposed to happen

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<v Speaker 2>today that didn't. So we'll both have some thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>what we want to have our eye on and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So we'll get to that as well. Get

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<v Speaker 2>to your calls. Eight five to five PATS five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>Web Radio at Patriots dot com is the email. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>take a few calls and we'll get into some of

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<v Speaker 2>our or what we're watching or what what what? How

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<v Speaker 2>did you phrase yours storylines?

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<v Speaker 1>To watch?

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<v Speaker 2>Storylines? To watch? What caught my eye whatever. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that in a second, but let's start with Sean

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<v Speaker 2>and Vancouver.

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<v Speaker 4>What's up Sean, Hey, guys, how's going?

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<v Speaker 3>OK?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I wanted to mention something that was on the

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<v Speaker 4>previous show. We had a color who was a little

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<v Speaker 4>discouraged about the Patriots upcoming season, and you know, saying

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<v Speaker 4>that they're all there is is hopeful. We can't really

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<v Speaker 4>rely on that. But you know, Evan, you mentioned that

0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.640
<v Speaker 4>older fans like myself, I'm going to be fifty seven November,

0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.160
<v Speaker 4>we had terrible teams and we had this rebuilding thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know what, in reality, we didn't because all

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<v Speaker 4>the success prior to two thousand and one was just limited,

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<v Speaker 4>like it didn't continue. You'd have to be a fan

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<v Speaker 4>of the Cowboys or the Steelers, so something like that

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<v Speaker 4>who had some success and then rebuilt and then had

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<v Speaker 4>more success later on. So for us, you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>look back at the seventies with the team that was

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<v Speaker 4>the first championship caliber team and got screwed by the

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<v Speaker 4>rest in Oakland. And then in the eighties the great

0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.760
<v Speaker 4>win in Miami finally won a game never won down

0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.399
<v Speaker 4>there before. That team was was also a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>of a surprise because it was a wildcard team that

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<v Speaker 4>went to the Super Bowl got killed by the Bears,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, that was the end of that. And

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<v Speaker 4>then in the nineties, Parcels team was was what six

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<v Speaker 4>and ten in in ninety five and then ninety six

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<v Speaker 4>again they went to Superbowl, but Parcels was on his

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<v Speaker 4>way out and it wasn't wasn't quite rebuilt from from before,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they went downhill. They they they had to

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<v Speaker 4>rebuild something that wasn't even there, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 4>it was a big surprise in two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because they were terrible in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 4>Tom Brady had the magic from that Jets game and

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<v Speaker 4>then the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point, Sean. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>just was to fill you in on what we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about things for the call. Sean just I think

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<v Speaker 2>that sometimes a lot of the frustrat and sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the impatience at times. And I hate to use that

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<v Speaker 2>word because it has been a couple of years now, right,

0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's totally fair, but in general, I

0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:13.399
<v Speaker 2>think we have never really been through this, right, Like,

0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, you dropped off from the greatest run in

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<v Speaker 2>NFL history and now you're a team that's back with

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<v Speaker 2>the pack and just sort of another team in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think that that's hard for fan bases.

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<v Speaker 2>And my point was, you know, being honest about myself

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a fan of the team and now

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that reports on the team, I've never seen them

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<v Speaker 2>lose like I've never seen them have anything really but success.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even like what I remember of the nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>those teams weren't you know, weren't always great, but they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't they weren't terrible either, and they certainly had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some some moments. And then really my first vivid football

0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.760
<v Speaker 2>memories are of two thousand and one, and so all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, this team it just never loses, right,

0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, you go twenty years like that, it gets

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where it's hard to be down here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to just be another one of the crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's sort of where the Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>are at and their expectation that were set by the

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<v Speaker 2>standard that they had with Brady. It's never gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>like that again. Like did you welcome to the real NFL? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is sort of what it's like for everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they didn't operate really the same way the other

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<v Speaker 1>teams did.

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<v Speaker 2>They're one of thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Two now, and that's just just just kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, what's up, Patty? How you doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Up? Guys?

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<v Speaker 1>So?

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<v Speaker 5>Can I give you a quick brief history of my

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<v Speaker 5>Patriots fandom and my thoughts on what happened with them

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<v Speaker 5>losing practices? Sure, all right, So the year's nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm in eighth grade. I wasn't really that big

0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.040
<v Speaker 5>of a football fan, so and I remember Monday night

0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.119
<v Speaker 5>games leading up to a Monday night game between the

0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.280
<v Speaker 5>Giants and the forty nine ers, who I believe were

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.600
<v Speaker 5>both eleven and one at the time, and I'd spoken

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.920
<v Speaker 5>something about the game, and I'll never forget this kid,

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.640
<v Speaker 5>Walter Garcia said, hey, pat, I never hear you talk

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<v Speaker 5>about football. Who's your team? And I said, well, I'm

0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.680
<v Speaker 5>from here, I'm a Patriots fan. And the whole class,

0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.160
<v Speaker 5>like all the kid, even the girls dude back then,

0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.600
<v Speaker 5>laughed at me. And it was that moment that I said,

0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.280
<v Speaker 5>you know what I said in my head, I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to become the biggest Patriots fan. And really, who's laughing now?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, who cares about the last few years I

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<v Speaker 5>was allowed to see six Super Bowl championships? You know,

0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.320
<v Speaker 5>who cares if his Giants had a couple of a

0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.160
<v Speaker 5>couple of them on mine? But what that's whatever, bro,

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<v Speaker 5>But that's my my breef standem history. And if I'm

0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:53.199
<v Speaker 5>Robert Krapf this. Indeed, if this, if this whole the

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<v Speaker 5>Shenanigans were due to Joe Judge and his machismo or

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 5>his ego or whatever hell he want to call it,

0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to Byllain saying, listen, after what happened last

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<v Speaker 5>year and that now we're getting now we can't practice

0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.639
<v Speaker 5>for two days. This guy's got to go. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's just how I feel as a fan. And

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<v Speaker 5>you know, if I was in the owner shoes, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's probably a good thing. I'm not the owner. That's

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<v Speaker 5>all I.

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<v Speaker 2>Gott Thanks, Patty. Look, I've I'm always wary out of

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<v Speaker 2>calling for people's jobs. I don't like doing that. But

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<v Speaker 2>Patty having those feelings about Joe Judges, I can't blame

0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.760
<v Speaker 2>him for it, right, I just I can't blame you.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're looking at this and saying that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's to that point for you. I think that's

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:43.399
<v Speaker 2>a valid feeling to have. But I wonder it's funny

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.960
<v Speaker 2>because when we found out that Joe Judge was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be involved on special teams, I think we all

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of, at least myself, I want to say we

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<v Speaker 2>all speak for myself. We're kind of happy about that, right,

0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.560
<v Speaker 2>like that's where he should be coaching. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>a special teams guy, like that's that's his roots. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think what with him, the issues that come up

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.800
<v Speaker 2>are when he oversteps, right, when he thinks that he

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<v Speaker 2>is more than just an assistant coach on the staff

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<v Speaker 2>and he becomes a little bit bigger than that, and

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<v Speaker 2>that this is sort of along those lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Not gonna lie well, I mean it goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this conversation we had when it was revealed

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.040
<v Speaker 1>that he was coming back. I guess if he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be here special teams kind of helping out overseeing cam

0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Accord in a more game planning role, that's the best

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:34.760
<v Speaker 1>spot for him if he has to be here. But

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<v Speaker 1>that that was kind of my point is after everything

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that happened last year, does he still have to be here?

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<v Speaker 1>And now here we are?

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<v Speaker 2>It is an interesting dynamic and clearly clearly Bill thinks

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<v Speaker 2>highly of Joe Judge. Yeah, because Joe Judge has gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of strikes with Bill and so.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think he is a great special teams coach

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<v Speaker 1>for everything here, like the special teams when he was

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<v Speaker 1>the Special Teams cording his first thing here, Yeah, was

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<v Speaker 1>probably as good as they've been as long as Brad Seeley. Yes,

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>at least I'll admit I didn't follow special teams as

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:12.880
<v Speaker 1>closely back then.

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody follows special teams closely as you

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:16.800
<v Speaker 2>do now.

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Like he is really good at what he Joe Judge

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.159
<v Speaker 1>is really good at what that job is. Like, you

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>can't deny that.

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.320
<v Speaker 2>It'll be interesting to see now that we move forward.

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Because even though Patty, I can understand your your sentiment

0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.399
<v Speaker 2>about Jojo, he's gonna he's gonna be here right, Like,

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine that after everything that went on last year,

0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.560
<v Speaker 2>like this being the final. Yeah, I don't know. I

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.360
<v Speaker 2>just can't see that well the other here. But what's interesting,

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, just quickly, what would be interesting is how

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>is it run on the sideline come September?

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:46.880
<v Speaker 5>Right?

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Is he is he the coordinator? Like is he the

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 2>one with the headset in the in the sheet and

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.679
<v Speaker 2>he's calling out, you know, calls to to the guys

0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 2>on the field. Is he the one in the middle

0:23:57.640 --> 0:23:59.200
<v Speaker 2>of the huddle like you know, look, it's a special

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 2>team's coordinator. We've I'll see what it looks like or

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.679
<v Speaker 2>is that still cam Accord and Joe Judge is just

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:08.119
<v Speaker 2>there to help from like like a lot of coaches

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 2>say Monday through Saturday, right, and then on Sunday it's

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.239
<v Speaker 2>it's somebody else's gig. Like, is that the way it's

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna go. It's gonna be interesting to see how involved

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 2>he is. I guess it is a short way of

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 2>saying it, but based off of this, it sounds like

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:21.960
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna be heavily involved, So we'll see.

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the other question again we're getting into semantics here. Yeah,

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:30.680
<v Speaker 1>did they know the meeting was going like I'm saying

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the coaches whoever put on schedule?

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Yep?

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Did they know the meeting was going too long? It

0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>was like we're gonna try to get through it. Or

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.040
<v Speaker 1>was it just like a miscommunication they didn't realize? Right,

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.919
<v Speaker 1>Because that also sort of frames how how they react

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>to it.

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, that's fair a man, just another thing

0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 2>that they just didn't need. That's all I'm gonna keep repeating,

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 2>is this, These these things are things that they've got,

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.520
<v Speaker 2>They've got a button up. They've got to find a

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 2>way to clean this type of stuff up. All right,

0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 2>let's talk a little bit about OTAs and about the

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:02.920
<v Speaker 2>next couple weeks with spring practices. We still get two,

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 2>so we're still gonna be out there for two. Then

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 2>we get the three mandatory mini camp days, so things

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 2>are gonna heat up. There's a couple of things that

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I wrote it, but I wrote eight things, and I'll

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 2>get to as many as we can, and you can

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.719
<v Speaker 2>get to yours. I think the biggest one, though, just

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 2>starting off the top, is obviously seeing at least the

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:25.719
<v Speaker 2>basic or the foundation elements of Bill O'Brien's system, Right,

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 2>what what is it gonna look like? I think there's

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.360
<v Speaker 2>been a lot of speculation on him, you know, certainly

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 2>on this program, we've talked a ton about what it

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>might look like. But I think the general gist of

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 2>what I imagine we're gonna see is mainly seventy five

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 2>percent Bill O'Brien. Right, We're gonna see, you know, Houston

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:50.360
<v Speaker 2>early Patriots, Bill O'Brien, you know, twenty twenty eleven Bill O'Brien,

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 2>and obviously a little bit of Alabama Bill O'Brien too.

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 2>But maybe we also see a little bit of doing

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>what worked and for Mac Jones in the offense, in

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Max Rogie year. And now I know that that comes

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 2>across as oh, well, you know what, bringing back a

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 2>full back and under center, and and maybe that it's

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 2>not that deep, right, maybe it doesn't go to formations

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.919
<v Speaker 2>and personnel groupings and go down in that path, But

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>just in general, I think where they're aiming to attack

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>the field, you know, I think what the big thing

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 2>is with what happened last year, and they talked about it,

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, Matt Patrischa openly talked about how they wanted

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit more vertical, and they wanted

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit more bombs away. And I

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.199
<v Speaker 2>think that they looked at Mac Jones at Alabama and

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>saw that he had the touch and the ability to

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>throw not necessarily a twenty five yard dart, but throw

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 2>a touch deep ball, you know, throw a true deep

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 2>ball pass. And I think that they wanted to get

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more like that. But it certainly had

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 2>more downs and ups, but it had it's up and downs,

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and I think the main thing was is that it

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 2>was it was, it was inconsistent, it was it was

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>just extremely volatile. So my question is more and less

0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 2>so about formations and personnel groupings because I think at

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, Bill O'Brien's going to live

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 2>in the groupings and the formations that he lives in. Right,

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be eleven, it's gonna be twelve. I don't

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's gonna be any twenty one. But the question

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.919
<v Speaker 2>is is do they get back to really trying to

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 2>win between the numbers and within that fifteen to you know,

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 2>five to fifteen yard range versus trying to push the

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 2>ball down the field more like they were doing the

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>year before. And I think some of the personnel moves

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>that they made in the offseason, mainly Juju but even

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Mi Kasiki to be a seam runner kind of point

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that they want to get back to

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>that team that dices you up in the middle of

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:44.679
<v Speaker 2>the field.

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, just big picture here. When you talk about Lebrian,

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>let's rewind for a second. What were the two biggest

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 1>stories at least I honestly don't remember what we talked

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 1>about with the defense last year. Coming out of OTS

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't talk a lot about defense. Yeah, during OT

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:01.920
<v Speaker 1>is unpadded practices, you don't see ton. But although there

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>is one defensive storyline, I want to get to. We'll

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.160
<v Speaker 1>get into that in a second. The two biggest storylines

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>last year were the new offensive system, right was look good,

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>they're running zone They're running you know, zone block.

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Concepts and that really carried over.

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>And the flat the fact they flipped the tackles that

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Isaiah When's on the right side, Trent Browns on the

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>left side. Well you know here we are here later.

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Two of the biggest things I think we're looking for,

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and the third that we didn't have last year is

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>how big of how much is this quarterback competition actually

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be a competition if at all?

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh I have I have a take on it. I

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:33.120
<v Speaker 2>do too.

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 1>But besides that, what's the offensive system going to look like?

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>And like you said, we might not know exactly, but

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>we'll get an idea. Are they going back to power run,

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>what kind of personality using and who's playing where at tackle?

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Because this isn't going to be your typical position battle.

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Trent Brown, Calvin Anderson, Riley Reef, all three of them

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>can play both left and right. Now there's strengths for

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.239
<v Speaker 1>some more one than the other, but it's not as

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>simple as hey, there's there's two guys competing for one spot,

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>or there's three guys competing for you know, the starter

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and the backup job. It's gonna be start one bench,

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 1>one cut, one right. This is three guys essentially competing

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>for four jobs starting left tackles, starting right tackle, backup

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>left tackle, backup, right tackle, right. And there might be

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>overlap in there for sure, But it's this thing where

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily a direct you know, all right, well,

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>this guy's gonna play here, this guy's gonna play here.

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>There's different permutations of it. Yeah, you know, with Trent Brant,

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>let's say it's Trent Brown on the left side rather

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>the reef on the right side, or Trent Brown on

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the right side, Calvin Anderson on the left side.

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Well then who what? So those are kind of the two.

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Big things we're going into looking at this, and it's

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>funny because it's kind of the big things we came

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>away from last year's OTAs.

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 2>The other big thing that I think that we came

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>away from last year's OTIA is that one keeps in

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>perspective that it's OTAs right and two points to what

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I was talking about before about the stylistic decisions of

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the offense. The big picture philosophies of the offense. Remember

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>who the star was on offense last year? No ta

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>is Alex Yeah, Tray Nixon yea. And why was he

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 2>the star? Because they were bombing and away to trade

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Nixon down the field of No tas. So one, it's

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 2>the Maurice Harris of it, all right, it's the fact

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>that this actually means absolutely nothing. And in two, it's

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 2>also just the fact that that was a philosophical shift

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>right out of the gate. Right out of the gate,

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to be a bigger play offense, a more

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 2>vertical offense, hunt chunk plays, things like that, And I

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>really hope and wonder, but mostly hope that they're back

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to being more efficiency based this year. And I think

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 2>that's better for the quarterback as well. Let's talk about

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the quarterbacks. This is my big thing other than Bill O'Brien,

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 2>and this is my big take about the entire spring

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>of the summer. I have no time and you can

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>call in an email in and disagree, because plenty of

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 2>people already have about this. I have absolutely no time

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 2>at all for your quarterback competition. I do not I

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 2>did not want to see a quarterback competition. I want

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 2>to waste time with the quarterback competition. I don't want

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 2>to hear it. I don't want to hear about how

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 2>it pushes. Oh, it's gonna push Mac Jones. This is

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna get the best out it, you know, because they

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>haven't tried pushing. You know what's gonna get the best

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 2>out of Mac Jones? Getting him ready for the season.

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>How about that? How about he's on his third coordinator

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 2>in three years and the NFL is in another system. Again,

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>it's certainly gonna have some overlap to his rookie year system.

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna deny that. But in general, another system,

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 2>another voice, another guy leading the charge, a guy that

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>we think is gonna be good at the job. I'll,

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll put that aside. All that. I've seen

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>two quarterback competitions in my time on the beat already

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 2>because of the situation that we're in. One of them

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>was a legitimate competition. That was twenty twenty COVID year

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Cam Newton versus Jaredson Mcbrian Hoyn, which.

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Cam Newton won by decidedly by default. He won that

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 1>in a first round knockout.

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>He won it by default. But but with that being

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>said they wasted. I would say there was no spring

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that year, right because of COVID. They wasted like the

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>first ten days of training camp on a competition on

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 2>rotating every oh everybody gets a turn, right, everybody gets

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 2>a turn, and we're gonna do this, and we're gonna

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 2>do that. I don't think the Cam Newton Patriots that

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>roster was was.

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>In shambles, was beyond camp.

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>That was not a good team. But I still wonder

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>to an extent if they had just came into camp

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>knowing that Cam Newton was going to be the starting

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>quarterback and didn't try to try to convince themselves that

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Jared Stidham at that stage or ever was a starting

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>quarterback in this league. How much more creative, how much

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>more could they have put in right in terms of

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>the running elements is what I'm talking about.

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>How much even more than that, how much more comfortable

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>would Cam have been with some of the receivers, because

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>it was definitely a feeling out process early on, right, and.

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>He was our already behind the eight ball because of

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>how short the off season and the training camp were.

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think he didn't sign it until like July.

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, so yeah, he was already wasn't a full camp. Yeah,

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>and then they wasted the time trying to figure out

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 2>all who's the starter when it was pretty clear the

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 2>only guy that had any chance to start in the

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 2>NFL that season for the Patriots is Cam Newton. So

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>that's one. The other one that I witnessed was obviously

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Cam versus Mac, right, which wasn't really a quarterback competition again,

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 2>because Cam would get four reps and then Mac would

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>get twenty five straight.

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, But yes, and no, Cam would get four reps,

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Mac would get twenty five straight. But Cam would get

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>four reps with the starters and Mac would get twenty

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>five with the backups. Yeah, it didn't shift till the

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>end of the year. I don't mean to cut you

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>off here, but.

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 2>It's also a waste of time, that's my point.

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing about that one. If you are

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody who thinks Mac's not the best option, right, they

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>should go with Bailey's appy, they should go with Billie

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Cunningham and somebody somebody brought this up in the chat.

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>It's you know, it's the best player plays No, but wait,

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding. That's sort of what that twenty twenty

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>one battle was Yeah, Mac, I don't think it was

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>about so you said before, Right, they wasted time because

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>they didn't know who their starter was going to be

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>early on.

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I think what happened in twenty twenty one was they

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>did know. I think they went into camp fully ready

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>for Cam Newton to start that season and Mac Jones

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to begin the year on the bench, and Mac played

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>so well they had no choice, okay but to say,

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>all right, we have to now start giving to this

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>kid a chance with the starters. So could that be

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.359
<v Speaker 1>the thing that happens. So here's the thing.

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 2>They're two different kinds. Yes, that, and that's sort of

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 2>what I'm driving at too, right. I'm glad you kind

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.399
<v Speaker 2>of summed it up that way. Yeah, but I am

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 2>leaving the door open for Vailey's appy. If Mac Jones

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>has a rough camp, if Mac Jones has a rough

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 2>start to the season, is where I'm really at with it.

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Like if the first month doesn't go well, yeah, and

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 2>they're zero to four coming out of September, and it's

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>just clear that this wasn't all just Matt Patricia being

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Matt Patricia. This is also just Mac is maybe just

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 2>not not the guy. Right then, I'm leaving that door open.

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 2>But going into the season, I don't want to hear

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>that the best player will play. I don't want to

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 2>hear that. Oh well, we gotta you know, Mac, you

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 2>got to push him. We got to see what it's no, no,

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>be it be good teams don't do stuff like but

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>here's but here's what I'm in line.

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>So again, the twenty twenty one was like a true

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>when people think of quarterback competition, both guys going back

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and forth to the starters don't do that. Yeah, because,

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.280
<v Speaker 1>like you said, they need to get Mac ready. Yeah

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that Mac needs to be working with David Andrews and

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.280
<v Speaker 1>with Juju Smith Schuster and Hunter Henry and Mike Kasicki

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and that whole group. Yep, right, that's what he needs

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.280
<v Speaker 1>to be doing all the time. But at the same time,

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>down at Brookline, whatever you said. You said you want

0:35:59.960 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 1>to leave the door open for Bailey's apps.

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:02.479
<v Speaker 2>I want to leave the door open.

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna rephrase that.

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm leaving the door open me too. I'm leaving the

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 2>door open because from all the tea leaves, I have

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.240
<v Speaker 2>to write like I can't I can't ignore the fact

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 2>that the head coach of the team didn't say his

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 2>name for like six months in the offseason, right, So

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I can't leave it. I have to leave it open

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:23.320
<v Speaker 2>because it is a possibility.

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, but there's a difference here. There's a difference

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 1>between what we think they should do and what they

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>will do. Honestly, even what I think they should do.

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>And this is me is a mac Jones guy. I'm

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>not leaving the door open for Bailey's appy, but I'll

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 1>leave it unlocked if he can open it.

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Like, this is the thing. Drill mac Jones with the starters.

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Give mac Jones all the high impact reps, all that,

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>but if on that second field, Bailey's appy looks so

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>damn good that you can't help. But wonder what happens

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>if we plug this guy in with the starters, if

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>it gets to that point. I'm not opposed, but I

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's a true quarterback competition. Everything should be

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>set up for mac Jones to be getting ready for

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the season. The only reason Bailey should come. Bailey's appy

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 1>should come into the conversations. If it becomes clear mac

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Jones maybe isn't the best option for the season because

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>as of right now, everything we know, Mac Jones is

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the best option and it's not close, so just get

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>him ready. I just that's what they should be focusing.

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 2>I just think that a lot of the time, with

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 2>these these competitions and with the best players should have

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 2>played mentality and and the back and forth and all

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff, what you end up doing is

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 2>you end up not fully preparing either guy exactly, right.

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:31.840
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well it's that old saying when you have

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:33.399
<v Speaker 1>two quarterbacks, you know, on a quarterback right.

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>So, and what it also reminds me of is, you know,

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:40.479
<v Speaker 2>we've covered a lot of training camp practices at this point,

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>and some joint practices too, and sometimes they've had joint practices.

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.760
<v Speaker 2>And I go back to like Carolina last year, Yeah,

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 2>right where it was it was Donald, right, Donald and

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Baker and they had a quarterback competition. It was it

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 2>was two former failed top five picks going head to

0:37:56.280 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 2>head and they had a quarterback competition. And they got

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 2>into the season and it was Baker right off the top,

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I think, or I don't even remember, but either the

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 2>bottom line is it didn't work out for either one

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>of them. They both sucked, right, and maybe they just

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 2>both suck, like maybe they're just both bad players. Like

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I you know, that's I'm leaving that out there, but

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I am of the school thought that I believe that

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 2>if they had fully prepared Baker Mayfield, they're fully prepared

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Sam Darnold and not wasted their time going back and forth,

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 2>it would have been better. And this is why a

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of teams only really have a competition for like

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 2>a week, right, and then they and then they call it,

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, because somebody at some point in time, you

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 2>have to start getting the guy ready. And at this point,

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 2>I want Mac Jones to be the guy. I want

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 2>everything this offseason to be pushing those chips in the

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 2>middle of the table of Mac Jones being the guy.

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Where I will open the door for Bailey Zappy is

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.479
<v Speaker 2>if they start zero and four, they start one six,

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 2>if they start terribly, yeah, and now they have decided

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 2>that Mac is not our future. We are going to

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>draft another quarterback. We're gonna be in the quarterback carousel

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 2>again next offseason. And if they want to give the

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.439
<v Speaker 2>last seven eight games to Bailey Zappy to see, well,

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:17.360
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's Bailey.

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Just to see right, just to find out because fine

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>might as well know.

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Fine, but this year is about deciding on Mac Jones

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 2>and getting him into a quarterback competition in the summer

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 2>does him no good.

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>But I and I'm right there with you. It should

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:28.240
<v Speaker 1>be Mac Jones.

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 2>It's his job.

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.799
<v Speaker 1>I wrote this last year after the Bears game. It's

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>still Mac Jones' job because it was his job to

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>lose and he didn't lose it.

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 2>He didn't.

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>He did not lose it last year. Right now, I

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know that they'll see it the same way. I

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>would not be surprised if we get out there and

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 1>it's him and Bailey ZAPPI splitting reps fifty fifty. I

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>don't think it would be the right.

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Move, but I could see it. Will bug me, I know, no,

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 2>it'll bug me too, But could you see it? I

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 2>could one hundred percent see it. And that's exactly I

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.839
<v Speaker 2>wanted to get this take out because I could see

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>it coming from a mile away. And what I think

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>is gonna again, what I will repeat, I think is

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna end up happening if you do that to yourself,

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.719
<v Speaker 2>is that neither Mac Jones nor Bailey's Appy will play well.

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.879
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna look discombobulated again. Yeah, because there's not gonna

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>be that chemistry.

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, So let's let's like you said, when you have

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 2>when you have two quarterbacks, you don't have a quarterback.

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Even if this is this is really what it is

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>to me, Even if mac Jones isn't the guy, I

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 2>want them to act like he's the guy. I want

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>them to play the part for now. And if you

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 2>decide come October, come November like this just isn't working

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>here and this isn't the path that we're gonna go

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>down long term, then then maybe you get Bailey some

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>games late in the year to see what he's got.

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 2>So that way, there you have a full picture of

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>how you're going into your off season to jump back

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>on the carousel. But for right now, you act like

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>he's the unquestioned QB one he acts, and I want

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>to see that out of him too, Like I want

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.319
<v Speaker 2>to see him acting like he's the young question QB one,

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 2>him him leading the offense, him playing with confidence, Like

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:06.280
<v Speaker 2>those are the types of things that I want to see.

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 2>And look, I'll admit and I think you're in the

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 2>same boat, Alex, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm more confident

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 2>in mac Jones than other people are, I think, And

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm willing to live on that hill like I'm willing

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 2>to die on it. I mean, I think he can

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 2>play in this league. I think that he can be

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 2>a starting quarterback in this league. Do I think that

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 2>he's ever going to be Patrick Mahomes?

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.479
<v Speaker 2>But do I think that he could be at least

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Kirk Cousins in the NFL if things are how they

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>should be. Yes, And I think there's a lot to

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>be said for that level of quarterback, Like, yes, you

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>could jump back in the carousel and go after the

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.640
<v Speaker 2>lottery ticket, right and try to chase a Patrick Mahomes

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 2>or a Josh Allen.

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Means it goes back to something we said earlier. Patriots

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 1>fans already fed up? Right, Yeah, do you want to

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 1>spend two decades doing that? Because that's usually how long

0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 1>it takes. I'm with you on mac Jones. Look, I think,

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and I've given this speech before. If you're sitting here

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>on May twenty fifth, twenty twenty three, and you're comfortable

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>definitively saying mac Jones is the answer, or comfortable saying

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.479
<v Speaker 1>mac Jones is not the answer, You're kidding yourself. Yeah,

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 1>because we don't know. We haven't seen enough to know

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.800
<v Speaker 1>something as an anomaly. Either twenty twenty one is the

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 1>anomaly or twenty twenty two is the anomaly.

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>If I had a guess, and I'd like to think

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I've watched a little bit of football in my life.

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I have a decent understanding how these things work. Yeah,

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>nobody's right every time. But I again, I've seen the

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 1>game once or twice. I think twenty twenty two is

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the anomaly. Yeah, I think he's closer to the player

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 1>he was as a rookie than he was last year.

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I go back to a comp evan. Both of us

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.839
<v Speaker 1>made a lot coming out of the draft. That's as

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:47.720
<v Speaker 1>the ceiling, and that's Matt Ryan.

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we did. That was our ceiling.

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I still think that's on the table if they put

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the right pieces around him.

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Ceiling feels like I still think.

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 1>That's on the table if they put the right if

0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 1>they put the right pieces around him.

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Does he get Sark and Julio Jones too, or is

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 2>it just Matt ran Well.

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you Shanahan, or I wanted to

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 1>ask you that that actually reminds me a question I

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>meant to ask earlier, we didn't get to it is

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Bill O'Brien. He's had three offensive coordinators now or will

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>have three? Bill o brian the best offensive coordinator Mac

0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Jones has had.

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, somebody actually asked us in that email, Josh McDaniels

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:23.800
<v Speaker 2>or Bill O'Brien. I think that Bill O'Brien. It's a

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.359
<v Speaker 2>good question. I think Bill O'Brien's maybe a little bit

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 2>more creative, like a little bit more innovative. Yes, I

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.240
<v Speaker 2>say more than a little. I think that he's somebody

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 2>that truly enjoys the evolution of the game, and like

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I think he has a lot of fun. Like I

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 2>think I talked to him last time he had assistants.

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I talked to Will Longing, the new tight ends coach

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.240
<v Speaker 2>who came with Bill O'Brien, was in Houston with Bill O'Brien.

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Then he was with Alabama with Bill O'Brien. So he was, yeah,

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 2>so he's followed him everywhere. And the one thing, you know,

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:03.720
<v Speaker 2>we were talking a little bit about Alabama and everything

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 2>they did there, and a couple of things that he

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 2>said was, you know, Bill's really good at We've had

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 2>some very very different personnel pretty much everywhere we've gone,

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, like it really hasn't been you know, at

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Penn State it was like Christian Hackenberg, right, it was

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 2>then it was DeShawn obviously in Hopkins, very different quarterbacks

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Houston and then and now it's Price Young, right, and

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and what they've had at Alabama and he said, you

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 2>know that they they really ran things through the strengths

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 2>of the personnel, and some of that was drastically different, right.

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 2>And I think the other thing that he mentioned, you know,

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 2>we were talking a little bit about the RPO package

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 2>at Alabama, and I was just like, you know what

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 2>makes it. It's this, It's it's held to a very

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 2>high standard in terms of RPO.

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 1>The Alabama RPO package, for people who don't know, is

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like the gold stand That is when when when people

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 1>want to show what an RPO is, how an RPO

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to work the show element.

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's one of the gold standards of it

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.399
<v Speaker 2>for sure. And he said that that was is.

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Like the titleist pro Yeah of r PO package.

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that means. That's like the golf.

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what he's talking about.

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:05.799
<v Speaker 1>It's like three dollars a ball.

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Is that expensive?

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so uh expensive? No idea, uh RPO the RPO package.

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 2>And he said, well that was already there, you know

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>that we kind of adopted that and and kind of

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 2>learned about it and and all those types of things.

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 2>So I think that Bill O'Brien's a little bit more

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>open to new ideas, I guess, you know, and a

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 2>little bit more innovative and a little bit more cutting edge,

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 2>if you will, than Josh McDaniels. I do think that

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 2>there's something to be said for the foundational elements for McDaniels.

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I think that his his core set of plays

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 2>and like his core playbook is gonna be sound in

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 2>football one hundred years ago and one hundred years so right,

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Like it just it's always gonna work. That's something to

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 2>be said for that.

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.400
<v Speaker 1>To go back to the original question, is Bill O'Brien

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the best offensive coordinator Max's ever had?

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:02.879
<v Speaker 1>That, And I know you're a guy that really likes

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 1>and really respects Josh McDaniels, are not knocking you for that,

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:08.719
<v Speaker 1>But that sounded like a really long way of saying, yes,

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Bill O'Brien is better without actually saying it because you

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to say that about Josh McDaniels. Am I

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 1>translating correctly.

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 2>They're just different cats. I don't know, they're just different

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 2>like Josh. Josh is a traditionalist, right, like Josh is

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 2>under center full back.

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.439
<v Speaker 1>Who is better for mac Jones? I'm not saying who's

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:27.240
<v Speaker 1>a better offense corner.

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.359
<v Speaker 2>I would say probably Bill O'Brien because you know what,

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I think another big difference between the two of them

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 2>two is Bill O'Brien's a little bit more of a

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 2>gun slinger, Like Bill O'Brien shoots from.

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>The hippottle a little more just effet.

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know, And I don't mean that as like,

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, last year, like they're chucking the ball fifty

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 2>yards down the field and throwing picks. I don't mean

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 2>it like that. I just mean like he's a little

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 2>bit more willing to try stuff.

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.959
<v Speaker 1>He'll put his cards on the table. Yeah yeah, So yeah,

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:53.040
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the original original question.

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Now that's the PG wave of putting that.

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 1>To go back to yeah, I know, to go back

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>to the original way, the original question of or the

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 1>original point of I still think the truth ceiling that

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Matt Ryan Kopp is still there, and you had said,

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>does he get Steve Sarkisian, does he get Julio Jones?

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>So he doesn't have Julio Jones yet?

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Well what have we spent this entire offseason yelling about

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 1>more than anything else?

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, So that's my point.

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he's going to be Matt Ryan this year,

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying if they get him everything they need

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 1>to get him, I think they can. And that is

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 1>part of the reason I've been so blue in the

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 1>face about go get Jerry Judy, go get one of

0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:28.879
<v Speaker 1>these guys. And I'm still gonna be that. Well, we'll

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>see how it goes this year, but like assuming he

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 1>comes back, and we'll be saying that next year, right,

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>let's trade up in the draft. They're not gonna be

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:36.919
<v Speaker 1>able to get Marvin Harrison junior, but go get save

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you're worthy, Go get a guy like that.

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be really interesting to see what if mac

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 2>thrives more in Bill O'Brien's system than McDaniel's system. But

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:53.040
<v Speaker 2>let's say he does, because mcdaniels's system is very much

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:58.959
<v Speaker 2>like you play my system, right, like you like Cam

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Newton was like running the same drought back concept as

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Tom bract Like. It's like just like you have to

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:06.320
<v Speaker 2>figure this out, whereas I think Bill O'Brien is a

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 2>little bit more Yeah, like I said, a little bit

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>more cutting out, a little bit more willing to evolve.

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So to go back to the point Bill O'Brien's here,

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.799
<v Speaker 1>let's say they click this, yere works that next year

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 1>they go out and they get add the any wide

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 1>receiver number one you want, right, a real wide receiver one.

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 1>What are we going to be sitting here saying the

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 1>expectations are for mac Jones, Hi exactly. That's good point.

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's move on from this. And I'm sorry

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 2>we got some people a little bit angry. So if

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 2>you want to call in and yell at us about

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 2>the quarterback competition, which I still can't figure out for

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 2>the life I.

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Think people are just annoyed that we talked about it,

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 1>which I'm kind of glad.

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I just can't figure out for the life of me

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 2>why people want a quarterback competition Like that doesn't mean

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.399
<v Speaker 2>that's not a good thing, folks. It's not a good

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.439
<v Speaker 2>thing if you if you have a quarterback competition means

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>both of your guys think, all right, like.

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 1>They weren't having quarterback competitions when they were winning six Super.

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Bowl Yeah, no, exactly. Maybe backup, you don't go to

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City OTAs and they're like, oh, what about that

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.399
<v Speaker 2>quarterback competition today? Guys, No, they don't talk about those

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 2>types of things anyways. What else so with with OTAs,

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.279
<v Speaker 2>I think the other big thing, Look, the rookies is

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>always a popular one. I think we're all looking forward

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.280
<v Speaker 2>to seeing Christian Gonzales, even seeing you know, tomorrow Douglas

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 2>and Kaishan Bhute, right like that, that's always out there,

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:22.799
<v Speaker 2>and the rookies are up there. How they replaced Devin

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 2>mccordy in that back on defense and that I think

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 2>we can really start to glean some things from OTAs

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 2>just because of who is playing what position, right, Like,

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 2>it's not necessarily you know, game planned, it's not we're

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:39.840
<v Speaker 2>not getting even close to anything like that, but we

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:42.439
<v Speaker 2>can see who's lining up where right, and that's gonna

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 2>be a big tell. And I'm I'm I'm fascinated by

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 2>it because there is a couple, there's more than a couple,

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a probably half a dozen ways that I can

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 2>think of that they could do this, and then there's

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.480
<v Speaker 2>probably another half a dozen that they that I I'm

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 2>not thinking about that they are, right Like, so we're

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about a lot of different variables in a

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:05.959
<v Speaker 2>lot of different ways about going about things. I think

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the the really really like off the beaten path things

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that people have come up with, for example, like Jonathan

0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Jones moving to free safety. I don't think that that's

0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 2>something that you do right away. I don't think that

0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 2>that's a that that's something that you jump to immediately.

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that's something that you might go to if

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.640
<v Speaker 2>you are giving up big plays all over the place

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:32.799
<v Speaker 2>in September and you just you have to figure out

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 2>something else, right, you have to come up with a

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 2>different idea. I think for right now, what I think

0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:42.600
<v Speaker 2>they're going to try to do is really not put

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 2>too much on one guy's plate to play the single

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:48.840
<v Speaker 2>high role all by himself and kind of be a

0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:52.360
<v Speaker 2>little bit more unpredictable, Like less predictable, I guess is

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 2>a better way to put that, right. Because I remember

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Devin mccordy, shortly after he announced that he was retiring,

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:01.880
<v Speaker 2>he actually tweeted this out that one of the biggest

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:07.239
<v Speaker 2>things for him looking at their defense was opposing offenses

0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:08.880
<v Speaker 2>knew where he was going to be, Like he was

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 2>going to be in the deep part of the field,

0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.400
<v Speaker 2>right Like everybody knew that that's where Devin mccordy was

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.760
<v Speaker 2>going to be. Now with Kyle Duggart, with Adrian Phillips

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:19.239
<v Speaker 2>and Jabriel Peppers, and I do believe that we're gonna

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:20.560
<v Speaker 2>get out there and Jalen Mills is going to be

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 2>a safety. I think he's going to be working with

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 2>the safeties. Jalen Mills with the safeties. They they are

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:28.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more interchangeable, Like they have that potential

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:30.319
<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit more versatile, a little bit

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.440
<v Speaker 2>more mixed and match and interchangeable. And my guess is

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>is that that's what you're going to see a ton of.

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a lot of post snap rotations, not

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of static structure. It's going to be

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 2>too high into one high. It's gonna be one high

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 2>into too high, and they're really just gonna spin the dial,

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 2>which they do a lot anyways. But I think at

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.359
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, what was always had, you know,

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.719
<v Speaker 2>most of the time is Devon was spinning the dial

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.280
<v Speaker 2>into the same spot right right, So they might start

0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it too high. But when they rotated into single high,

0:51:58.040 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 2>they know that the buzz player is going to be

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Duggar and the single high guy is gonna be

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Devin mccordy. Now it could be either one of those safeties,

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.480
<v Speaker 2>which maybe does present a little bit more of unpredictability.

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 2>But that's where I think that we're gonna see most

0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.160
<v Speaker 2>of it. So I think we're gonna get out there

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.479
<v Speaker 2>at ota Is next week and everybody's gonna be playing

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 2>free safety. It's not, you know, and I think that

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 2>will be a big storyline. Yeah, I agree with you there.

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, you named a bunch of different possibilities. Is

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.320
<v Speaker 1>it Kyle Duggar, Is it Jonathan Jones? Is it Jalen Mills?

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Is Miles Bryant back there? Are they going one high?

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Are they going too high? I think the reality is

0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:33.919
<v Speaker 1>all the above. I think it's gonna be a little

0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 1>bit of everything. You know. The real question is when

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 1>they get down into goal line, what does it look like?

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:39.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, if they do a two minute drill when

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.200
<v Speaker 1>it's third and ten, fourth and ten, right, does it

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 1>look like that's really the question. But I think it's

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a whole bunch of different looks. I don't

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.719
<v Speaker 1>think they're gonna stick with one thing, and that's gonna

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:50.000
<v Speaker 1>be how they replace Devin mccordy.

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think you replaced a player of that

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 2>caliber just by saying you got it, Kyle Duggar right, like,

0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 2>like you're Devin mccordy now. Like, I don't think you

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:02.479
<v Speaker 2>can do that because there's just so much downloaded into

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:05.479
<v Speaker 2>the computer from Devin McCarty's perspective for all the years

0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:07.759
<v Speaker 2>that he was back there that I think it's so

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:10.720
<v Speaker 2>hard to just ask one guy to replace a player

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.240
<v Speaker 2>like that. I mean, you're asking one guy to basically

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:16.040
<v Speaker 2>replace a borderline Hall of Fame player guy I would

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.359
<v Speaker 2>put it in Canton. But you know, maybe that's an

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 2>argument for people that aren't as biased as me on

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:23.960
<v Speaker 2>that one, but in general, I think that's that's not

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 2>how you do it. I am really interested to see

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 2>when we get into the season, and obviously, you know,

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:31.759
<v Speaker 2>keep track of this type of stuff, like do they

0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 2>get more into the too high family, Like are they

0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>more of a cover two quarters based defense instead of

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.439
<v Speaker 2>what they've been so heavily a post safety cover three,

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:44.919
<v Speaker 2>cover one defense for Devin McCarty's career. Are do they

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 2>go on that trend a little bit more, because that's

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 2>the trend right now, right it's the Fangio tree, it's

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:53.840
<v Speaker 2>college style stuff, it's type fronts, it's you know, so

0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 2>much of what the league is doing now is to

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>try to slow down. Obviously these quarterbacks and these passing

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:03.000
<v Speaker 2>offenses and too high is getting extremely popular. And even

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots have been a little bit more too high heavy,

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 2>certainly in certain situations in particular, than they have been

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 2>in the past, and that that's actually not you know

0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 2>that Bill's played some too high in his career, like

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 2>he's been a base too high guy. Early two thousands

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:22.399
<v Speaker 2>they did a little bit more than they do now. Yeah,

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 2>eighties with the Giants, they were, I mean, because it's

0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:30.360
<v Speaker 2>so long ago, Cover twos, cover two doesn't change.

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:33.560
<v Speaker 1>S got distracted because the Falcons ran a surprise on

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:35.400
<v Speaker 1>sidekick on the TV behind you.

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.680
<v Speaker 2>It's okay, I was watching Michael Vick highlights when callers

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:42.399
<v Speaker 2>were calling in and complaining about how bad the team was. Like, yeah,

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:46.799
<v Speaker 2>so anyways, I'm interested to see that I'm trying to

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:50.439
<v Speaker 2>think of this is our first look and just kind

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:52.320
<v Speaker 2>of moving away from the defense for a second, because,

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.799
<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you, as much as I wish

0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 2>that we could talk about like storylines on the defensive

0:54:57.120 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 2>line and stuff like that, there's no pads, there's no contact,

0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not gonna get too caught up in like

0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:05.040
<v Speaker 2>what Keon White looks like in this these spring practices,

0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:07.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think we'll talk about like what he

0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:10.280
<v Speaker 2>looks like physically, like you know that that sometimes pops

0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>out at you, like even though he's not the same player.

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:15.280
<v Speaker 2>But Sam Roberts last year, I remember being like, Okay,

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:19.040
<v Speaker 2>that guy's gigantic. Yeah, like that's an NFL defensive lineman.

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:21.399
<v Speaker 2>So maybe we'll see some of that. But the other

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:24.400
<v Speaker 2>thing that I think will be really interesting about what

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 2>happens is we've really we've not seen Juju or Mike

0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Kasiki like in the Patriot uniform yet, right, Like, this

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:32.760
<v Speaker 2>is sort of our first look at that and really

0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:37.239
<v Speaker 2>our first semblance of what their roles are gonna sort

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:40.000
<v Speaker 2>of be. And I think, in particularly with Juju, what

0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:42.839
<v Speaker 2>how are they gonna make him the high volume guy?

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:44.839
<v Speaker 2>Because he's clearly here to be the high volume guy, right.

0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's gonna be a guy that, in theory

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:51.280
<v Speaker 2>should have one hundred plus targets seventy five plus catches

0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.319
<v Speaker 2>like he had ninety last year catches wise with the

0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:57.279
<v Speaker 2>with Kansas City, So he should be a high volume guy.

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.120
<v Speaker 2>First time really kind of seeing what that's gonna look like.

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:03.319
<v Speaker 2>What do you expect I guess out of this those

0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Juju things. I think a lot of it is we

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:09.640
<v Speaker 2>almost like have forgotten, not forgotten, but I think we

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:11.359
<v Speaker 2>talked so much about some of the other guys that

0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that juju, and in particular, we haven't really talked about

0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:17.239
<v Speaker 2>him a lot lately. You know, it's kind of with

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:18.280
<v Speaker 2>the draft and everything.

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I mean exactly what you said. I think

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:22.359
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be in the slot. I think he's

0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna be that guy. I think he should be on

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 1>pace to catch one hundred footballs. So yeah, we'll see

0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:28.719
<v Speaker 1>if there's confirmation of that to one other and I

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:31.000
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know if we'll see him. You kind

0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 1>of reminded me of this with Keon White.

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Don't want to bring this up.

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I talked about how this is really more so ot

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 1>is more about learning usage than seeing like who's beating

0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:41.440
<v Speaker 1>out who for what position? Yeah, I don't it doesn't

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>is Martain Mapu gonna be on the field, Like, I'm

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:45.480
<v Speaker 1>not sure think so right, because it's coming back from

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:47.239
<v Speaker 1>that shoulder surgery. I really would have liked to see

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 1>how they were using him.

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hopefully, like maybe there he's healthy enough to like

0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.640
<v Speaker 2>go through like positional drills and stuff like that. He's

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:58.080
<v Speaker 2>definitely I would be absolutely shocked if he's participating in

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.960
<v Speaker 2>anything team related, but maybe he's in. When I see

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:04.360
<v Speaker 2>team related, I mean like seven on seven, eleven on eleven,

0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:07.440
<v Speaker 2>if maybe we get to see him go through a

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:11.360
<v Speaker 2>positional drill which helps us dictate where what position he's thrilling,

0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:15.000
<v Speaker 2>So maybe we get to see that that that those

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>are always interesting, you know who's who's changing positions, who's

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.400
<v Speaker 2>working out with what, especially with those types of guys

0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:23.520
<v Speaker 2>like Mapu kind of like blare the lines between a

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:26.880
<v Speaker 2>couple positions of where he could potentially be one last

0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 2>thing that I had on my list, And uh, you know,

0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:32.080
<v Speaker 2>just a general take on this as well, I might

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:33.880
<v Speaker 2>be right about it at some point because I think

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.720
<v Speaker 2>this is such a big They were just talking about

0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Julio Jones. Can Mac that guy Taekwon Thornton Like this

0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 2>is this is a low key big deal for this offense.

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Is type is making Taekwon Thornton work, like making him

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 2>a thing? It's Mac Joe. Making Mac Jones work is

0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:55.480
<v Speaker 2>number one by a long shot, but making Taekwon Thornton

0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:57.360
<v Speaker 2>work might be number two. Don't they kind of go

0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 2>hand in hand? Yeah? Jones are what I mean?

0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Don't you have to get Taekwon Thornton going?

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And I think that that's sort of where I'm

0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>coming from. So I think that when you look at

0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Brien, he's actually had two receivers that have similar

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.880
<v Speaker 2>body types to Taekwon Thory. Now one of them's Will Fuller.

0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:19.760
<v Speaker 2>With with the the Texans, will Fuller was like six

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:21.200
<v Speaker 2>feet one eighty five.

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I was surprised. I will Fuller to me always seemed

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 1>like a much bigger guy.

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Than me too. Yeah, but he's not. I looked this

0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.440
<v Speaker 2>up and what he waited at the combine. He seemed

0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:32.480
<v Speaker 2>to play bigger, and I think that the difference, you know,

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 2>watched I went back and watched will Fuller's big season.

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it was twenty nineteen with Bill O'Brien made, Yeah,

0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:42.680
<v Speaker 2>eighteen nineteen something like that, and uh, the one thing

0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 2>that definitely stood out was, you know, they would give

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 2>him these opportunities on twenty twenty on the outside to

0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:51.920
<v Speaker 2>just go one on one and uh and he well,

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:54.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. I think it wasn't that was his big year,

0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>but that was no Brian, Brian, Brian, that was well

0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Brian for the first four weeks of the season. Oh,

0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:01.120
<v Speaker 2>you're right. So I looked at twenty nineteen.

0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:02.800
<v Speaker 1>He had a pretty good year in twenty nineteen two

0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:06.360
<v Speaker 1>as pretty good did There were a lot of times

0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and this is sort of what I've said about Taekwon

0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 1>in the past, where he's just going one on one

0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 1>against press on the outside and wins, right, you know,

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:13.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think the big thing.

0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Not only getting off the line of scrimmage, but being

0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:18.640
<v Speaker 2>able to finish through some contact at the catch point

0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:21.720
<v Speaker 2>was something that stood out with Bill Fuller. If Taekwon

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:25.160
<v Speaker 2>is going to be an eight hundred yard plus like

0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a really good receiver, not just a field stretcher, not

0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 2>just like this gimmicky thing. If he's gonna be like

0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:34.520
<v Speaker 2>a high volume, really really good receiver. He's going to

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:36.800
<v Speaker 2>have to add that to his bag. And I think

0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:40.560
<v Speaker 2>that's where putting on weight, developing his routes, you know,

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 2>developing his strength down the field, like, that's where those

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:46.040
<v Speaker 2>things come into play from him on an individual basis.

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:48.360
<v Speaker 2>But there was a lot of other things that that

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:51.800
<v Speaker 2>O'Brien did with Will Fuller. The other guy that as

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.120
<v Speaker 2>a similar body type is Jameson Williams, right, And I

0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:56.880
<v Speaker 2>think you look at those two guys and some of

0:59:56.960 --> 0:59:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the alignments and some of the ways that Bill o'pro

1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and a either created foot races for them in space

1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.280
<v Speaker 2>or b just simply got them off the line of

1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:09.360
<v Speaker 2>scrimmage without them having to make a move off the

1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:12.920
<v Speaker 2>line of scrimmage and press right like that just a stack,

1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, where it's one guy in front of him

1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and him off the line of scrimmage. So it just

1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:20.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of creates that natural separation, that natural bubble of

1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:23.360
<v Speaker 2>space like a pick or a bunch formation, which is

1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:27.080
<v Speaker 2>similar motion certainly like bringing him in motion before the

1:00:27.120 --> 1:00:30.680
<v Speaker 2>snap are at the snab to avoid contact. Those are

1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:32.480
<v Speaker 2>the types of things that I think that Bill O'Brien

1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:37.560
<v Speaker 2>can do that will get Taekwon to be a threat, right,

1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the stats are gonna come from Taekwon, Like, Taekwon's going

1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:44.560
<v Speaker 2>to have to do that individually. But for Taiwan to

1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:47.479
<v Speaker 2>be a threat, I think Bill O'Brien can do that

1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:51.080
<v Speaker 2>with alignment, with play calling, with that type of stuff.

1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:54.040
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing he did with Fuller was obviously play

1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:56.920
<v Speaker 2>action shots right, deep post routs, deep overs, things like

1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that off play action where the intermediate is sucking up

1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the safety and then it becomes a one on one

1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:04.240
<v Speaker 2>for the receiver over the top. Like those are the

1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:07.520
<v Speaker 2>types of things that the coach can do. What I

1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:11.120
<v Speaker 2>want to see out of Taekwon is certainly, look where's

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.320
<v Speaker 2>he at physically, Like in terms of his frame. You know,

1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:15.440
<v Speaker 2>if he comes in and no one wants him to

1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:17.160
<v Speaker 2>be two hundred and ten pounds and lose the four

1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:19.640
<v Speaker 2>to two eight like, no one wants that pose. Yeah,

1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:22.320
<v Speaker 2>but if he's one ninety instead of one to eighty,

1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:24.960
<v Speaker 2>like that could be a big difference. And just his

1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:27.880
<v Speaker 2>physicality and his willingness to kind of fight through some

1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:32.840
<v Speaker 2>contact and finish plays and finish routes not just catches

1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:34.560
<v Speaker 2>right like, not just fighting for it at the catch

1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:37.680
<v Speaker 2>point but when he breaks the route off is it

1:01:37.720 --> 1:01:40.400
<v Speaker 2>is he able to kind of stave off a defender.

1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Is he able to kind of run through the frame

1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:46.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit and through that contact to get himself separation.

1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:48.560
<v Speaker 2>He is a big time X factor for this team

1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and it feels like, like you said, it goes hand

1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:52.960
<v Speaker 2>in hand with mac Jones, And if this offense is

1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:55.720
<v Speaker 2>to hit its ceiling, then both those guys have to

1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:58.360
<v Speaker 2>hit their ceilings, so they both have to individually perform.

1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And you know, I think it's that

1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Z position And that's probably where I know a lot

1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>of people think of Thornton as an X because he's

1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:06.520
<v Speaker 1>six three.

1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's that Z And I know.

1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.640
<v Speaker 1>You just talked a lot about Taekwon Thornton, but to me,

1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:18.520
<v Speaker 1>it's between Thornton and Born. They need somebody in that

1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:20.080
<v Speaker 1>position like truly producing.

1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:21.000
<v Speaker 2>You know that.

1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say, pull these numbers out of nowhere.

1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I kept running that that pff FLA season simulators just

1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:30.200
<v Speaker 1>because I was curious earlier. Good good that they well, no,

1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:31.440
<v Speaker 1>make fun of the simulator, not me.

1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's a little bit of I.

1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Like Kendrick Bourne kept getting like fifty catches, eight hundred yards,

1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:42.360
<v Speaker 1>like five touchdowns. Well no, but here's my point, Like,

1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:44.880
<v Speaker 1>if they can get that stat line from the Z position,

1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.880
<v Speaker 1>whether that's Born or Thornton, like that, they're in great shape. Right,

1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the season you're looking for from that role.

1:02:51.600 --> 1:02:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you know, when we talked about the

1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Z position, it's Wes Welker and Julian Edelman are one

1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:02.880
<v Speaker 2>type Z, and obviously Taekwon is a different type of Z. Right,

1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:04.800
<v Speaker 2>He's not going to be a jitterbug. He's not going

1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:08.920
<v Speaker 2>to be you know, five yard ends and whip routs

1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and like that's not gonna be his game necessarily, But

1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:14.120
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean that he's not a Z. And when

1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:16.160
<v Speaker 2>you say a Z, you mean a guy that is

1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:18.840
<v Speaker 2>playing off the line of scrimmage, right, So that allows

1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:21.640
<v Speaker 2>him to move around, that allows him to come in motion,

1:03:22.200 --> 1:03:24.440
<v Speaker 2>that allows him to play in the slot a lot,

1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:27.320
<v Speaker 2>and to basically play off of the line so that

1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:31.919
<v Speaker 2>he's not pressed up against a second X. And this

1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:37.760
<v Speaker 2>team really, I think is still gravitating to Devonte Parker

1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:41.360
<v Speaker 2>probably being the primary X guy. I mean they should

1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.000
<v Speaker 2>just simply because he's the best body type and best

1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:49.920
<v Speaker 2>player for it right now, that leads Taekwon as probably

1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:53.760
<v Speaker 2>the natural Z in a different type of mold certainly

1:03:53.840 --> 1:04:00.280
<v Speaker 2>than what they've had historically there and then Juju, it's

1:04:00.440 --> 1:04:03.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of it kind of becomes like a different he's

1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:04.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of an F right, like he's.

1:04:04.600 --> 1:04:05.640
<v Speaker 1>He's a slot.

1:04:05.800 --> 1:04:08.080
<v Speaker 2>So the F is the F is the other off

1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:11.680
<v Speaker 2>the line receiver, right, So X is your X, you

1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:15.320
<v Speaker 2>backside on the line receiver. Z is your flankers. He

1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:17.400
<v Speaker 2>is your move around guy's the guy that plays off

1:04:17.440 --> 1:04:20.760
<v Speaker 2>the line too. And in three receiver sets, O'Brien calls

1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:23.480
<v Speaker 2>it an F like it's the F receiver, which is

1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:26.640
<v Speaker 2>your other off the line guy that's not playing on

1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:29.160
<v Speaker 2>the on the weak side of the formation, so he's

1:04:29.160 --> 1:04:31.160
<v Speaker 2>playing on the same side as the tight end primarily.

1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:36.520
<v Speaker 2>That that feels like Juju, And you know that that position.

1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:39.320
<v Speaker 2>You know O'Brien's offense plays a ton in the slot.

1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:41.920
<v Speaker 2>You know that that that's a guy that's probably going

1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:46.120
<v Speaker 2>to play sixty five percent at least out of the slot.

1:04:46.480 --> 1:04:49.360
<v Speaker 2>And you start to get into that's right, and you

1:04:49.360 --> 1:04:52.160
<v Speaker 2>start to get in some different things. So the question

1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.680
<v Speaker 2>really is is with this receiver group other than the rookies,

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<v Speaker 2>which we can get to here in a second and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of end it with that is when they are

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<v Speaker 2>playing twelve personnel, Kaziki kind of becomes the f right

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<v Speaker 2>like he's the move tight end, you know, Hunter Henry

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<v Speaker 2>is still the why? Like how who comes off the field? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like is Taekwon then become an X? Or does Taekwon

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<v Speaker 2>come off the field and Devonte Parker stays on the

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<v Speaker 2>field as the X? Like how does that situation sort

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<v Speaker 2>itself out? But in three receiver sets? Like you know

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<v Speaker 2>that should? I think that Taekwon is a natural Z,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's the guy that is your fastest, most dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>player and I think right now that's probably him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the beauty of it and if they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go back to true Earhart Perkins, right is you

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<v Speaker 1>do both because if you're running the same play like

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<v Speaker 1>the same x's and o's and draw lines forever, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But you run it once with Parker at the X,

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<v Speaker 1>Thornton at the z juju in the slot Hunter Henry

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<v Speaker 1>is your tight end, and then you run it again

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<v Speaker 1>with Thornton at the X juju as the z Kasiki

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<v Speaker 1>is the slot and Henry is the tight end. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's the same rep combination, it's a very different

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<v Speaker 1>play that has to be defended. That personnel grouping has

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<v Speaker 1>to be defended completely differently with a different package. So ideally,

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to your question is sometimes this sometimes that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been saying this for two years, the strength of

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<v Speaker 1>this team's receiver group. I know they don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>true number one, but I think there's legitimate strength and

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate upside in the fact that there's really no overlap

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<v Speaker 1>outside of maybe Borden and Thornton, but not even really everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody wins differently, and you can throw Gasiki and Henry

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<v Speaker 1>into that as well. So when you can, and when

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<v Speaker 1>they were at their best in the first O'Brien stint

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<v Speaker 1>and early on with Josh McDaniels, this is what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't run a lot of different plays. They just

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<v Speaker 1>run the plays they run with different personnel and the

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<v Speaker 1>execute him at a very high level. Yeah, it's they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have the perfect offense.

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<v Speaker 2>To get back to that. It's window dressing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>They dress them up differently and it looks a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit different, but it's really the same. Yeah. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot to be said for all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna be interesting to see how they use

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<v Speaker 2>all these guys that are I will we will both

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<v Speaker 2>fully admit I think that none of these guys. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a Tyreek Hill. They don't have a Stefon Diggs.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have a DeVante Adams, they don't have an

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<v Speaker 2>aj Brown, they don't have one of those guys as

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, the most talented guy on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't. But they do have guys that they can

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<v Speaker 2>mix and match with a little bit, and it can

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<v Speaker 2>place in do some different things. And if you can

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<v Speaker 2>get Taekwon's speed to be a factor, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>get Juju's catch and run ability to be a factor,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you can get Kasiki's seam running ability to

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<v Speaker 2>be a factor, then those things can put stresses on

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<v Speaker 2>defenses individually. Even if it's not like one guy that

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<v Speaker 2>on Tesday, you know, the Tuesday meeting guy like that,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't. They still don't have that guy. We can

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<v Speaker 2>fully admit that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just hope, you know, is disappointing last year to

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<v Speaker 1>see them come out in like my And this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>anything against any of these players specifically but you know, Myers,

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<v Speaker 1>Agalore and Parker all had like over an eighty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent usage eight week one, and they didn't play Kendrick Bourne.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not necessarily necessarily saying they should have played

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<v Speaker 1>George Humphrey, but it was those three that was And

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<v Speaker 1>then too, when Thornton came back, they kind of pushed well,

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<v Speaker 1>first Jakoby Myers has hurt, and then they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pushed Nelson Agiler out of a lineup and they still

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<v Speaker 1>just it was just the same three receivers and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't rotate or mix and match at all, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>always been a strength of what they do offensively. I

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<v Speaker 1>really hope they get back to that because this group,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, is built to play offense like that, where yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Juju is probably gonna be a ninety something percent usage guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He should, He's not gonna come off the field after him.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody else, Parker Born, Shton, Henry Kasiki.

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<v Speaker 2>It's situational.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to be rotating all those and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying it's fifty to fifty for everybody, but they need

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<v Speaker 1>to be rotating all those guys in and out a

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<v Speaker 1>healthy amount.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's take a phone call and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>wrap it here, Jerry, what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on for Let's tell y'all doing it well?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? So I got a quick question, is there

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<v Speaker 3>any way possible this season where we see what's his name? Gonzales,

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Jones, and Isaiah Boulden on the field at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time. And the reason why I ask is because

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<v Speaker 3>based off them through the loan, that's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>speed in one section, so I feel like we'll be

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<v Speaker 3>able to play a lot of man and man press.

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<v Speaker 3>But just wanted to get your.

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<v Speaker 1>Thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no problem, Jerry, And that kind of segues us

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly because I was gonna wrap it with the rookies,

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<v Speaker 2>which is always whenever we get a chance to first

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<v Speaker 2>see the rookies, it's always a good thing to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Isaiah Bolden. I'm not sure I think Isaiah Bolden projecting

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<v Speaker 2>Isaiah Bolden. I don't know how you feel about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex says anything more than a special team or at

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<v Speaker 2>this stage I think is a little bit lofty, like, yes,

1:10:13.280 --> 1:10:16.280
<v Speaker 2>he's fast. I yes, I've some of the film I

1:10:16.320 --> 1:10:19.000
<v Speaker 2>have seen on him. His physicality at the line of

1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:21.479
<v Speaker 2>scrimmage is decent. You know he can do some of

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<v Speaker 2>those types of things. I just wouldn't get to I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I can't. I can't get myself too excited

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<v Speaker 2>about him on defense. I not yet. At least let's

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<v Speaker 2>see what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we are going to have that conversation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've said this before, I said this when they

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<v Speaker 1>drafted him. I wonder if he's a safety in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>I just look at the way he processes the game. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and his straight I think he is better straight line

1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:49.599
<v Speaker 1>speed than you know, change of direction ability. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if they're gonna play him on defense, and I'm with you,

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<v Speaker 1>like see him on special teams first and build up

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<v Speaker 1>to that. But I if he's gonna play on defense,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see him at like true if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to go single high, I'm not saying he put

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<v Speaker 1>him out there against the Chiefs out of nowhere, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to look start out with second team. What

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<v Speaker 1>does he look like as a single high safety or

1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:10.240
<v Speaker 1>even in too high. What does he look like playing

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<v Speaker 1>free safety? Because if he is gonna play defense in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL, I think that's probably a better role for

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<v Speaker 1>him than corner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't disagree with you there.

1:11:16.600 --> 1:11:19.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think he played some safety at Jackson State.

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<v Speaker 2>They played a lot of zone, so you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that some of his interceptions, like you could see

1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:28.720
<v Speaker 2>some of that translating to safety, right, you know, like

1:11:28.760 --> 1:11:32.599
<v Speaker 2>where he's kind of ball howking things like that. Wrapping

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<v Speaker 2>it up here on the rookies. Look, I think everybody

1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:39.600
<v Speaker 2>knows that I'm excited to see Christian Gonzales. Maybe just

1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:42.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but I think the biggest thing with

1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Christian Gonzalez is I do feel like and we not

1:11:47.720 --> 1:11:49.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna lie. We haven't had the best the best track

1:11:49.960 --> 1:11:53.120
<v Speaker 2>record of this in our time covering the team because

1:11:53.120 --> 1:11:57.280
<v Speaker 2>of the way that they've drafted, unfortunately, but I fully

1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:01.559
<v Speaker 2>believe in the fact that you can see it almost

1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:05.200
<v Speaker 2>right away when a guy is just different, like when

1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:08.800
<v Speaker 2>we're we're not talking about you know, you're talking about

1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:11.160
<v Speaker 2>movement skills. Yeah, and I'm not talking about like when

1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:14.040
<v Speaker 2>when I say different, I don't mean like Taekwon, who

1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:17.479
<v Speaker 2>we know on a track and burn anybody out there

1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:20.920
<v Speaker 2>right Like you know, I'm talking about just is a freak,

1:12:21.240 --> 1:12:25.040
<v Speaker 2>like just looks different, looks like looks the part looks

1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:29.280
<v Speaker 2>The first round pick Worthy and I I'm hoping and

1:12:29.360 --> 1:12:31.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking that that's exactly what we're going to see

1:12:31.439 --> 1:12:35.280
<v Speaker 2>out of Christian Zalez, where he just looks like somebody

1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:39.120
<v Speaker 2>that is different than the vast majority of the rest

1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:42.479
<v Speaker 2>of the players out there. The other two guys, look,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a passing camp. And even though we just

1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:49.439
<v Speaker 2>talked about it earlier Trey Nixon being the star of

1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the summer last year, Frankly, if Kishan Butte or do

1:12:55.280 --> 1:12:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Mario Douglas has any chance of hitting the ceiling that

1:12:58.240 --> 1:12:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I think both of us think that they have the

1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:02.160
<v Speaker 2>potential to hit, we gotta start seeing it now like

1:13:02.240 --> 1:13:06.479
<v Speaker 2>this is there's no contact, there's no there's no reason

1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:08.920
<v Speaker 2>if you're a good receiver you should show out in

1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:12.599
<v Speaker 2>these types of practices. So we're gonna I'm not trying

1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:14.360
<v Speaker 2>to put too much pressure on them. I'm just saying,

1:13:14.360 --> 1:13:17.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, if we're gonna see flashes from either one

1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:19.639
<v Speaker 2>of those guys, it's gonna come in the spring. So oh,

1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:21.479
<v Speaker 2>we'll see what those two guys look like as well.

1:13:21.560 --> 1:13:22.240
<v Speaker 2>And I looked it up.

1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Bolden only played thirty six snaps at free safety

1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:26.920
<v Speaker 1>last year, compared to five hundred and ninety two is

1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:29.240
<v Speaker 1>the slot corner, so would be new for him. But

1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:31.040
<v Speaker 1>again I try. Yeah, I'm with you on the receivers.

1:13:31.080 --> 1:13:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I think Kaishawn Butte is going to get as much

1:13:33.800 --> 1:13:37.440
<v Speaker 1>attention as maybe any player really outside of the quarterbacks

1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:41.280
<v Speaker 1>in this in this spring session here really excited to

1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:43.760
<v Speaker 1>see what he can do. I'm like back and forth,

1:13:43.800 --> 1:13:46.320
<v Speaker 1>like tomorrow, Douglas is the kind of player that should

1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:49.120
<v Speaker 1>tear up the spring But I feel like the role

1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:51.960
<v Speaker 1>for him is going to be that gadget basically Marcus

1:13:52.000 --> 1:13:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Jones role. Right, They're not gonna tip their hand on

1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:56.599
<v Speaker 1>that till they have to. We're not gonna see that

1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:58.519
<v Speaker 1>that's being done in the close practices. That's not being

1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:00.439
<v Speaker 1>done when we're they're so yeah, I know how much

1:14:00.439 --> 1:14:02.599
<v Speaker 1>we'll see him in like team drills, but one on

1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:03.920
<v Speaker 1>ones I expect him to be electric.

1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that that's that's a fair assessment. I

1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:09.439
<v Speaker 2>just think that either one of those guys, like I

1:14:09.520 --> 1:14:12.000
<v Speaker 2>just said, it's a passing camp. This is not a

1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:18.200
<v Speaker 2>full padded practice. If you can't get open in ot as,

1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:22.040
<v Speaker 2>you are not going to get open in the real thing, right, Like,

1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:25.880
<v Speaker 2>that's just the bottom line. You're just it's it's got

1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:28.880
<v Speaker 2>to start somewhere, and for receivers it often starts in

1:14:29.000 --> 1:14:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the spring. All right, anything else that I missed, I

1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:34.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think so. I think that that about covers it.

1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I said earlier, the trenches, the trail, like we'll

1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:39.800
<v Speaker 2>see who's out there, we'll see who's at left tackle,

1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:42.680
<v Speaker 2>who's at right tackle. Those will be notes, certainly, but

1:14:43.040 --> 1:14:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you're not really going to grade them or like evaluate them.

1:14:46.080 --> 1:14:46.200
<v Speaker 5>Right.

1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:50.639
<v Speaker 1>I am excited to get the stopwatch out for Bryce.

1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:53.280
<v Speaker 2>That was That was what I was gonna ask you about.

1:14:53.320 --> 1:14:59.679
<v Speaker 2>How so it's all seriousness. Do you put any stock

1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:03.760
<v Speaker 2>on whatsoever about what happens in the spring with the specialists?

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<v Speaker 2>So this is I think the one because there's some

1:15:06.520 --> 1:15:09.960
<v Speaker 2>pressure on these specialists. Now, yeah, this is actually Land.

1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean seriously, fourth round pick, Like that guy needs

1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:13.559
<v Speaker 2>to pan out.

1:15:13.760 --> 1:15:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, there's less pressure on him than Barringer because

1:15:17.640 --> 1:15:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Ryland's making the team. He's a fourth ron pick.

1:15:19.880 --> 1:15:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't mean it like that, but like if

1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:25.040
<v Speaker 2>this is another Justin rohor Wasser situation, then that that's fair.

1:15:25.120 --> 1:15:27.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not about the pressure on Ryland. It's more about

1:15:27.720 --> 1:15:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the pressure for the scouting department that Ryland is. Yeah,

1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:32.160
<v Speaker 2>that's fair, that's fair.

1:15:33.479 --> 1:15:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that's This is the one position where you

1:15:35.120 --> 1:15:38.280
<v Speaker 1>can start to evaluate, especially like hopefully, well, I don't

1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:39.800
<v Speaker 1>want to stand out and watch in the rain. But

1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:42.479
<v Speaker 1>I remember twenty twenty one, we got that one day

1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:45.080
<v Speaker 1>where it was like pouring rain at Otac, Remember that,

1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:47.599
<v Speaker 1>and they kicked the ball the entire day.

1:15:47.800 --> 1:15:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is the one spot where it is fever

1:15:51.040 --> 1:15:53.360
<v Speaker 2>dream right there. You know you got a new holder,

1:15:53.520 --> 1:15:55.000
<v Speaker 2>new kicker. Hours of kicking.

1:15:55.600 --> 1:15:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, new holder, new kicker. How are they working together? Yeah,

1:15:59.160 --> 1:16:01.280
<v Speaker 1>you can you can start to evaluate this a little bit.

1:16:01.360 --> 1:16:04.639
<v Speaker 1>I think Ryland's gonna beat out Folk. That's just he's

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<v Speaker 1>a fourth round pick. Folk didn't finish the season well

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<v Speaker 1>last year. Barrenger should beat out Weightman. But maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a competition there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just because it's your But if you've cut a

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<v Speaker 2>six round pick, it's not like unheard of to do

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<v Speaker 2>something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also a guy that just I think you can

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<v Speaker 1>get Corless weightman, or you can get Price Baron on

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<v Speaker 1>the practice squad, and if Weightman's not the guy, you

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<v Speaker 1>make the switch. However, many weeks in the season, whereas

1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:31.599
<v Speaker 1>if you cut Chad Ryland, somebody's gonna pick him up.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how much like snap holds kick

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get in spring practices because sometimes they don't

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<v Speaker 2>kick as much field goals like that, Well we'll see it.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll just be off to the side, right, That's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, look, I the Patriots need to have all their

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<v Speaker 2>eyes dotted and all their tea's crossed this year, right

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<v Speaker 2>like we can't have any botched holes. We can't have

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<v Speaker 2>any snaps Canna that you know, Joe Kurdona is snapping

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<v Speaker 2>has really ever been a huge issue. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to say, they got to be good

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<v Speaker 2>on the margins. And that's a new battery, right like

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<v Speaker 2>that that operation is new and this is getting into

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<v Speaker 2>the barth of it all. But let's be honest, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a snapper holder kicker has been for the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years. The majority of it has been Joe Cardona,

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Bailey, Nick Folk. Right now it's changed.

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<v Speaker 1>So a really interesting thing will be and I normally

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<v Speaker 1>do this, I might need to stop watch this year

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<v Speaker 1>because what I want to do this year, I might enlist.

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<v Speaker 2>You to help me with this X. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I had it, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>So the really interesting thing because they had too many

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<v Speaker 1>blocked kicks last year. Yeah, I think what I probably

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<v Speaker 1>should be timing, or I'll get you to time while

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<v Speaker 1>I do the hangtimes is the operation time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the time from snap to kick, both on

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<v Speaker 1>the punt in the field goal. Yeah, that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really gonna be watching because their operation times last year

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<v Speaker 1>we're not good. And I never really went back and

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<v Speaker 1>looked at it to the extent of like, who is

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<v Speaker 1>this on? I mean, on the punts, it's usually pretty

1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:59.000
<v Speaker 1>much on the punter, but field goals, it can be

1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:00.400
<v Speaker 1>on the snapper, can be on the whole, or can

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<v Speaker 1>even be on the kicker sometimes the combination. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be interested to see what the operation times are because

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<v Speaker 1>they need to be quicker this year so that weren't

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<v Speaker 1>quick enough that year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why you listen to this show. If you if

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to this show, and we thank all everybody

1:18:12.880 --> 1:18:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that listens, but we I want to really think the

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<v Speaker 2>die hards, because the diehards are listening an hour and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes in to hear Alex talk about operation.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be honest, Evan, had you and you've covered this

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<v Speaker 1>game a long time, have you ever heard the term

1:18:25.680 --> 1:18:27.320
<v Speaker 1>operation time before before?

1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:30.040
<v Speaker 2>And just now yeah, yeah from you like three years ago. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now I know what it is. Uh yeah, So they're

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<v Speaker 2>all big.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I was in college and I covered the

1:18:37.040 --> 1:18:38.360
<v Speaker 1>team in college, I was really good friends with the

1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:41.960
<v Speaker 1>kicker on the team and three college football, yeah d

1:18:42.080 --> 1:18:44.000
<v Speaker 1>three college. But but we were watching the national championship

1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and I remember we sit down and watch the game.

1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:47.360
<v Speaker 1>The team scores, and he pulls out his phone, like

1:18:47.360 --> 1:18:48.880
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? He goes, I want to see

1:18:48.920 --> 1:18:51.519
<v Speaker 1>what their operation time is? That like natch this team

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<v Speaker 1>that's like everybody knows Mount Union's like the d through Powerhouse, right, yeah,

1:18:55.920 --> 1:18:57.439
<v Speaker 1>people know what that is. So he's like, you know

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<v Speaker 1>they're Mount Union. I want to see what they are

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<v Speaker 1>compared to us. And it was off by like they

1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:04.280
<v Speaker 1>were slower than what his was by like two hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of a second. You would have thought he won the

1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Heisman with how proud he was like, yeah, we got

1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:13.160
<v Speaker 1>a better operation. This is huge, huge to those specialties, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>big big.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious what it'll be all right, so, uh

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<v Speaker 2>humor me for two more minutes. You're going to cover

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<v Speaker 2>the Celtics tonight.

1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:22.839
<v Speaker 1>I am going to cover the Celtic so that's where Alex.

1:19:22.720 --> 1:19:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Is headed, so you can check out his Celtics. We

1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:26.519
<v Speaker 2>don't do Celtics coverage here, so I can I can

1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:29.519
<v Speaker 2>plug your Celtics coverage and not you know, be stepping

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<v Speaker 2>out on ninety five the sports sub dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also funny like I was ready assuming there was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be an Ota practice today for people to

1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:39.599
<v Speaker 1>be like really mad at us for not doing your show.

1:19:39.840 --> 1:19:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I know if there had been both show would have

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<v Speaker 1>been tomorrow.

1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Marie Matt was a was a trooper about uh no

1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:48.360
<v Speaker 2>pun intended about all the different time changes and trying

1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to lock down a time But we didn't have to

1:19:50.680 --> 1:19:53.719
<v Speaker 2>run into that issue my one minute on the Celtics

1:19:53.720 --> 1:19:56.040
<v Speaker 2>because I you know me, I gotta talk some Celtics

1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:58.800
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of May. My one minute on the

1:19:58.880 --> 1:20:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Celtics is I am not allowing myself to be excited

1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:09.640
<v Speaker 2>or hyped up or anything for this game tonight. It

1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:12.360
<v Speaker 2>is not a series until they win tonight. If they

1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:17.360
<v Speaker 2>win tonight, then evan Celtics footy pajamas is coming out right, Like, yeah,

1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Green team or Evan is is out in full swing

1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:22.080
<v Speaker 2>if they win tonight and then because then you start

1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:24.240
<v Speaker 2>to believe, right, Like then then the believe creeps in.

1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Then they'll crush me in Game six. But like that's

1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:30.040
<v Speaker 2>when the belief kicks in. The one thing I really

1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:32.960
<v Speaker 2>believe from a basketball standpoint now, not a Green Team

1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:37.599
<v Speaker 2>or Evan Pom Pom standpoint, the Miami Heat. We've talked

1:20:37.640 --> 1:20:40.240
<v Speaker 2>about this off the year. The Miami Heat, all playoff long,

1:20:40.600 --> 1:20:43.920
<v Speaker 2>playoffs long have shot the three out of their minds

1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:46.040
<v Speaker 2>like they were, Like I think they've been like forty

1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:49.920
<v Speaker 2>six percent from three right in the playoffs. If they

1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:53.880
<v Speaker 2>are finally and uh not having gave Vincent helps also

1:20:53.880 --> 1:20:55.880
<v Speaker 2>because he's been one of the better knockdown shooters that

1:20:55.880 --> 1:21:00.840
<v Speaker 2>they've had. Yeah, if they are finally regressing back to

1:21:00.920 --> 1:21:05.519
<v Speaker 2>the mean, then the Celtics have hope. I am not

1:21:05.640 --> 1:21:07.840
<v Speaker 2>giving the Celtics hope strictly off the fact that the

1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Celtics are good enough to just blow doors in four

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<v Speaker 2>straight games against Miami, right, They're gonna need some luck

1:21:13.640 --> 1:21:19.840
<v Speaker 2>and the luck comes in with uh Strauss Duncan Robinson,

1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Lowry, Kevin Love obviously, Caleb Martin starting to miss

1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:27.519
<v Speaker 2>right like that, that's light.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so here's the big thing. Kyle Lowry has not

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<v Speaker 1>been good in this series.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But that scares me for tonight because does Kyle

1:21:35.080 --> 1:21:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Lowry have because he's starting, does he have a throwback

1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:40.240
<v Speaker 2>like in the in his vault game to know that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be more than thirty two minutes twice in the

1:21:43.360 --> 1:21:46.559
<v Speaker 1>last three years in any game. So that's interesting.

1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:50.880
<v Speaker 2>So because that's their whole run right now, is Jimmy

1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and Bam like in the middle of the court does

1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:56.519
<v Speaker 2>drawing four eyeballs and then then they either scoring or

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<v Speaker 2>kicking it out to open shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Which, by the way, is what the Celtics offense should be.

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<v Speaker 2>But that but that's been their offense, right especially around Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 2>If all of a sudden, Jimmy's kicking it out to

1:22:06.240 --> 1:22:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Duncan Robinson and he's air balling threes, then they're there.

1:22:10.760 --> 1:22:13.040
<v Speaker 2>There goes their offense, right, So that's the that's what

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<v Speaker 2>the Celtics need to happen. The Celtics need Miami's role

1:22:16.320 --> 1:22:17.920
<v Speaker 2>players to get cold.

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<v Speaker 4>Are we going here?

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<v Speaker 2>That's it? That's the sign all you told me, you

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<v Speaker 2>told me, I told you I had two minutes on

1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:27.479
<v Speaker 2>the Celtics. Two minutes, all right, but go cover the Celtics.

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<v Speaker 2>Go HAPPI with that, Alex and I will be back

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<v Speaker 2>next week. Ot a's are on Wednesday. We might do

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