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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar from Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bark.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. I'm doing edge defenders.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't like. You don't like edge a position.

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Speaker 1: It's not a real position.

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Speaker 2: It is a real posit.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's a real No, it's a defensive end

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker. We use edge because coming into the draft

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Speaker 1: there are guys that in one system might play and

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Speaker 1: in another system might play outside linebacker. So, right, but

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Speaker 1: that's going into the draft, and we don't know what

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Speaker 1: system they're in, so we can't classify them as one

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Speaker 1: or the other. One. We're talking about the Patriots. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about a system. We know where they're going to

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Speaker 1: be playing. All right, you even just say, all right,

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Speaker 1: you even alright, go ahead, paid just said you have

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Speaker 1: Kean White is a defensive end?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: It's not?

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Speaker 1: Is that edge? No, So you're just saying outside linebackers,

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Speaker 1: you're calling them.

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Speaker 2: Egg Yeah, that's our show in a nutshell, Alex like

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Speaker 2: that that right there is our show. If you want

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Speaker 2: like a snippet of what you're gonna get when you

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Speaker 2: turn on Patriots Catch twenty two that thirty second clip.

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Speaker 2: Is it like that? That's it right there? Pretty much?

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Speaker 2: Is it us arguing over what is and isn't an edge?

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Speaker 2: And if that's a real position, is it's perfect? So

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Speaker 2: Evan Lazar and Alex Bart with you for the next

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Speaker 2: hour or so here on Patriots Catch twenty two. We

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Speaker 2: got a lot of talk about I wish it was

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Speaker 2: about other things, like we were supposed to be out

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Speaker 2: at practice today and talking about real football on this show.

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Speaker 2: But we're gonna be talking about what's going on here

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Speaker 2: the news with the Patriots losing two ota practices. There's

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Speaker 2: since been a little bit more information coming out about

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Speaker 2: exactly why they were stripped to too practices, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna touch on it. We're not you know, it's interesting

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Speaker 2: because when this when the when they canceled practice yesterday,

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Speaker 2: there's been a little bit of a roller coaster as

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Speaker 2: when they canceled practice yesterday, it felt like they were

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Speaker 2: canceling practice to quite frankly stick it to us, like

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Speaker 2: you're not invited anymore, guys. Sorry. Right then, we got

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Speaker 2: over that this morning with Pro Football talk reporting that

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Speaker 2: it was because of a special teams meeting, a fifteen

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Speaker 2: minute special teams meeting, where the league felt like it

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Speaker 2: came across as mandatory even though things this time of

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Speaker 2: year are supposed to be voluntary. Right, That's that's basically

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Speaker 2: the crux of it, which to which just an hour

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Speaker 2: or so go on Patriots unfiltered. I was pissed about.

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Speaker 2: I was, this is ridiculous, like either everything is voluntary

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Speaker 2: or everything's mandatory, but nothing this time of year is mandatory.

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Speaker 2: It's all voluntary. Whether you go out to practice, whether

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Speaker 2: you go out in the way, you know, go work

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Speaker 2: out in the weight room, whether you're here at the

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Speaker 2: facility at all right now is voluntary. So how can

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Speaker 2: we have gray areas? But what isn't It isn't perceived

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Speaker 2: as voluntary when the whole off season program as an

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Speaker 2: There's been a little bit more come out now from

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Speaker 2: hold this special teams meeting. So if that is the truth,

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Speaker 2: and that is the case. And I'm not questioning Greg's supporting,

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Speaker 2: but this is there's a lot of behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of interpretation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's the case, then I think that you know,

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Speaker 2: that's a violation. You know, there's you're only supposed to

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Speaker 2: that that and that's a violation. But I think where

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Speaker 2: I come from ef this you.

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Speaker 1: Can so the way I interpreted it is like you said,

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Speaker 1: these sessions are not the sessions are optional, right, just

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna be you're gonna get part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: You're part of the program program. Yeah, So the problem

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Speaker 1: So it kind of reads like, Hey, the end of

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Speaker 1: kind of talk about special team stuff. But the way

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Speaker 1: It was more of a this is part of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that I can sort of understand. I

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Speaker 2: it's a sticking point right now for Patriots fans. We

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Speaker 2: we both realize that right that that just him in

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Speaker 2: general right now is not He's not the most popular

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Speaker 2: to you that way. But that being said, I still

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Speaker 2: the main thing is is that you can't have it

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Speaker 2: both ways. If you're the NFL, you can't hold these

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Speaker 2: off season programs. Insist that they're voluntary, but all thirty

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Speaker 2: two teams approach it the same way. And I said

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Speaker 2: this this earlier. If you're if you're Stefan Diggs in Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: does Stefon Diggs need to come to ot As. No,

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Speaker 2: Stefan Digs ain't getting cut. Stefan Diggs is not getting traded.

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs is not in jepfer. Are you losing his job?

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Speaker 2: He's not fighting for a roster spot. It's just like

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Speaker 2: when Brady would wouldn't come and we'd go do his

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Speaker 2: from mandatory mini camp. Those guys, for better or worse,

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Speaker 2: are are different for the ninetieth guy on the roster right,

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Speaker 2: For for Anthony Firksker, they just signed like an hour ago.

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Speaker 2: He's got to be here, right. If you want to

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Speaker 1: In sorry, is well, okay, it's not option, it's not mandatory,

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm kind of talking through this. I'm not

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Speaker 1: So it is interesting that this whole thing's kind of

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Speaker 2: Not great, not great, and it's not it's not even

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why I'm saying, like the fact that he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what the biggest thing that we

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Speaker 2: I was excited. You know what, we we nerd out

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Speaker 2: but that aside, I think what's more important is that

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Speaker 2: I just said that Tom Brady and Stefon Diggs. Don't

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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is is that you have a

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Speaker 2: But certainly it's still in the same realm of let's

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Speaker 2: that they are losing two practices that now I think

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing and with this Joe Judge report coming out,

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Speaker 2: the biggest fear that I have is that this sounds

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Speaker 2: a lot like last year. Yeah, this sounds a lot

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Speaker 2: like last year with the situation, the setup on offense,

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Speaker 2: or the methods of the coaches. And this is same book,

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Speaker 2: different chapter. And I think that in order for this

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Speaker 2: our or what we're watching or what what what? How

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Speaker 2: Storylines? To watch? What caught my eye whatever. We'll get

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Speaker 4: What's up Sean, Hey, guys, how's going?

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Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to mention something that was on the

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Speaker 4: then in the nineties, Parcels team was was what six

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Speaker 4: it was a big surprise in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point, Sean. You know, I

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Speaker 2: Like this is sort of what it's like for everybody else.

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Speaker 5: Up? Guys?

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Speaker 5: That's that's just how I feel as a fan. And

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Speaker 2: Gott Thanks, Patty. Look, I've I'm always wary out of

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Speaker 2: If you're looking at this and saying that it's not

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Speaker 2: like that's where he should be coaching. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: a special teams guy, like that's that's his roots. But

434
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Speaker 2: I think what with him, the issues that come up

435
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: are when he oversteps, right, when he thinks that he

436
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Speaker 2: is more than just an assistant coach on the staff

437
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Speaker 2: and he becomes a little bit bigger than that, and

438
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Speaker 2: that this is sort of along those lines.

439
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Speaker 1: Not gonna lie well, I mean it goes back to

440
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Speaker 1: I remember this conversation we had when it was revealed

441
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Speaker 1: that he was coming back. I guess if he's gonna

442
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Speaker 1: be here special teams kind of helping out overseeing cam

443
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Speaker 1: Accord in a more game planning role, that's the best

444
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Speaker 1: spot for him if he has to be here. But

445
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Speaker 1: that that was kind of my point is after everything

446
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Speaker 1: that happened last year, does he still have to be here?

447
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Speaker 1: And now here we are?

448
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Speaker 2: It is an interesting dynamic and clearly clearly Bill thinks

449
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Speaker 2: highly of Joe Judge. Yeah, because Joe Judge has gotten

450
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Speaker 2: a lot of strikes with Bill and so.

451
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Speaker 1: Look, I think he is a great special teams coach

452
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Speaker 1: for everything here, like the special teams when he was

453
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Speaker 1: the Special Teams cording his first thing here, Yeah, was

454
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Speaker 1: probably as good as they've been as long as Brad Seeley. Yes,

455
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Speaker 1: at least I'll admit I didn't follow special teams as

456
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Speaker 1: closely back then.

457
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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody follows special teams closely as you

458
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Speaker 2: do now.

459
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Speaker 1: Like he is really good at what he Joe Judge

460
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Speaker 1: is really good at what that job is. Like, you

461
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Speaker 1: can't deny that.

462
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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see now that we move forward.

463
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Speaker 2: Because even though Patty, I can understand your your sentiment

464
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Speaker 2: about Jojo, he's gonna he's gonna be here right, Like,

465
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that after everything that went on last year,

466
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Speaker 2: like this being the final. Yeah, I don't know. I

467
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Speaker 2: just can't see that well the other here. But what's interesting,

468
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Speaker 2: you know, just quickly, what would be interesting is how

469
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Speaker 2: is it run on the sideline come September?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is he is he the coordinator? Like is he the

473
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Speaker 2: one with the headset in the in the sheet and

474
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Speaker 2: he's calling out, you know, calls to to the guys

475
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Speaker 2: on the field. Is he the one in the middle

476
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Speaker 2: of the huddle like you know, look, it's a special

477
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Speaker 2: team's coordinator. We've I'll see what it looks like or

478
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Speaker 2: is that still cam Accord and Joe Judge is just

479
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Speaker 2: there to help from like like a lot of coaches

480
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: say Monday through Saturday, right, and then on Sunday it's

481
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Speaker 2: it's somebody else's gig. Like, is that the way it's

482
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Speaker 2: gonna go. It's gonna be interesting to see how involved

483
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Speaker 2: he is. I guess it is a short way of

484
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Speaker 2: saying it, but based off of this, it sounds like

485
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Speaker 2: he's gonna be heavily involved, So we'll see.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other question again we're getting into semantics here. Yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: did they know the meeting was going like I'm saying

488
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Speaker 1: the coaches whoever put on schedule?

489
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Speaker 2: Yep?

490
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Speaker 1: Did they know the meeting was going too long? It

491
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Speaker 1: was like we're gonna try to get through it. Or

492
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Speaker 1: was it just like a miscommunication they didn't realize? Right,

493
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Speaker 1: Because that also sort of frames how how they react

494
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Speaker 1: to it.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's fair a man, just another thing

496
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Speaker 2: that they just didn't need. That's all I'm gonna keep repeating,

497
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: is this, These these things are things that they've got,

498
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Speaker 2: They've got a button up. They've got to find a

499
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Speaker 2: way to clean this type of stuff up. All right,

500
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Speaker 2: let's talk a little bit about OTAs and about the

501
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Speaker 2: next couple weeks with spring practices. We still get two,

502
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Speaker 2: so we're still gonna be out there for two. Then

503
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Speaker 2: we get the three mandatory mini camp days, so things

504
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 2: are gonna heat up. There's a couple of things that

505
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Speaker 2: I wrote it, but I wrote eight things, and I'll

506
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Speaker 2: get to as many as we can, and you can

507
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Speaker 2: get to yours. I think the biggest one, though, just

508
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: starting off the top, is obviously seeing at least the

509
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Speaker 2: basic or the foundation elements of Bill O'Brien's system, Right,

510
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Speaker 2: what what is it gonna look like? I think there's

511
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Speaker 2: been a lot of speculation on him, you know, certainly

512
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Speaker 2: on this program, we've talked a ton about what it

513
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Speaker 2: might look like. But I think the general gist of

514
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Speaker 2: what I imagine we're gonna see is mainly seventy five

515
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Speaker 2: percent Bill O'Brien. Right, We're gonna see, you know, Houston

516
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Speaker 2: early Patriots, Bill O'Brien, you know, twenty twenty eleven Bill O'Brien,

517
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Speaker 2: and obviously a little bit of Alabama Bill O'Brien too.

518
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Speaker 2: But maybe we also see a little bit of doing

519
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Speaker 2: what worked and for Mac Jones in the offense, in

520
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: Max Rogie year. And now I know that that comes

521
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Speaker 2: across as oh, well, you know what, bringing back a

522
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Speaker 2: full back and under center, and and maybe that it's

523
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: not that deep, right, maybe it doesn't go to formations

524
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Speaker 2: and personnel groupings and go down in that path, But

525
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Speaker 2: just in general, I think where they're aiming to attack

526
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Speaker 2: the field, you know, I think what the big thing

527
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Speaker 2: is with what happened last year, and they talked about it,

528
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Speaker 2: you know, Matt Patrischa openly talked about how they wanted

529
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit more vertical, and they wanted

530
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit more bombs away. And I

531
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Speaker 2: think that they looked at Mac Jones at Alabama and

532
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Speaker 2: saw that he had the touch and the ability to

533
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Speaker 2: throw not necessarily a twenty five yard dart, but throw

534
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Speaker 2: a touch deep ball, you know, throw a true deep

535
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Speaker 2: ball pass. And I think that they wanted to get

536
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Speaker 2: a little bit more like that. But it certainly had

537
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Speaker 2: more downs and ups, but it had it's up and downs,

538
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Speaker 2: and I think the main thing was is that it

539
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Speaker 2: was it was, it was inconsistent, it was it was

540
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Speaker 2: just extremely volatile. So my question is more and less

541
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Speaker 2: so about formations and personnel groupings because I think at

542
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, Bill O'Brien's going to live

543
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Speaker 2: in the groupings and the formations that he lives in. Right,

544
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be eleven, it's gonna be twelve. I don't

545
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Speaker 2: think it's gonna be any twenty one. But the question

546
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: is is do they get back to really trying to

547
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Speaker 2: win between the numbers and within that fifteen to you know,

548
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Speaker 2: five to fifteen yard range versus trying to push the

549
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Speaker 2: ball down the field more like they were doing the

550
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Speaker 2: year before. And I think some of the personnel moves

551
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Speaker 2: that they made in the offseason, mainly Juju but even

552
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Speaker 2: Mi Kasiki to be a seam runner kind of point

553
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Speaker 2: to the fact that they want to get back to

554
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Speaker 2: that team that dices you up in the middle of

555
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Speaker 2: the field.

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Speaker 1: Well, just big picture here. When you talk about Lebrian,

557
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Speaker 1: let's rewind for a second. What were the two biggest

558
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Speaker 1: stories at least I honestly don't remember what we talked

559
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: about with the defense last year. Coming out of OTS

560
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: you don't talk a lot about defense. Yeah, during OT

561
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: is unpadded practices, you don't see ton. But although there

562
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Speaker 1: is one defensive storyline, I want to get to. We'll

563
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Speaker 1: get into that in a second. The two biggest storylines

564
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Speaker 1: last year were the new offensive system, right was look good,

565
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Speaker 1: they're running zone They're running you know, zone block.

566
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Speaker 2: Concepts and that really carried over.

567
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Speaker 1: And the flat the fact they flipped the tackles that

568
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Speaker 1: Isaiah When's on the right side, Trent Browns on the

569
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Speaker 1: left side. Well you know here we are here later.

570
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Speaker 1: Two of the biggest things I think we're looking for,

571
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Speaker 1: and the third that we didn't have last year is

572
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Speaker 1: how big of how much is this quarterback competition actually

573
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Speaker 1: going to be a competition if at all?

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Speaker 2: Oh I have I have a take on it. I

575
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Speaker 2: do too.

576
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Speaker 1: But besides that, what's the offensive system going to look like?

577
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Speaker 1: And like you said, we might not know exactly, but

578
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Speaker 1: we'll get an idea. Are they going back to power run,

579
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Speaker 1: what kind of personality using and who's playing where at tackle?

580
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Speaker 1: Because this isn't going to be your typical position battle.

581
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Speaker 1: Trent Brown, Calvin Anderson, Riley Reef, all three of them

582
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Speaker 1: can play both left and right. Now there's strengths for

583
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Speaker 1: some more one than the other, but it's not as

584
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Speaker 1: simple as hey, there's there's two guys competing for one spot,

585
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: or there's three guys competing for you know, the starter

586
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: and the backup job. It's gonna be start one bench,

587
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: one cut, one right. This is three guys essentially competing

588
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: for four jobs starting left tackles, starting right tackle, backup

589
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: left tackle, backup, right tackle, right. And there might be

590
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: overlap in there for sure, But it's this thing where

591
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a direct you know, all right, well,

592
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Speaker 1: this guy's gonna play here, this guy's gonna play here.

593
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Speaker 1: There's different permutations of it. Yeah, you know, with Trent Brant,

594
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Speaker 1: let's say it's Trent Brown on the left side rather

595
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Speaker 1: the reef on the right side, or Trent Brown on

596
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Speaker 1: the right side, Calvin Anderson on the left side.

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Speaker 2: Well then who what? So those are kind of the two.

598
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Speaker 1: Big things we're going into looking at this, and it's

599
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: funny because it's kind of the big things we came

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Speaker 1: away from last year's OTAs.

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Speaker 2: The other big thing that I think that we came

602
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: away from last year's OTIA is that one keeps in

603
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: perspective that it's OTAs right and two points to what

604
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Speaker 2: I was talking about before about the stylistic decisions of

605
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: the offense. The big picture philosophies of the offense. Remember

606
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Speaker 2: who the star was on offense last year? No ta

607
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: is Alex Yeah, Tray Nixon yea. And why was he

608
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: the star? Because they were bombing and away to trade

609
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: Nixon down the field of No tas. So one, it's

610
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Speaker 2: the Maurice Harris of it, all right, it's the fact

611
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: that this actually means absolutely nothing. And in two, it's

612
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Speaker 2: also just the fact that that was a philosophical shift

613
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Speaker 2: right out of the gate. Right out of the gate,

614
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Speaker 2: they wanted to be a bigger play offense, a more

615
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: vertical offense, hunt chunk plays, things like that, And I

616
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Speaker 2: really hope and wonder, but mostly hope that they're back

617
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Speaker 2: to being more efficiency based this year. And I think

618
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Speaker 2: that's better for the quarterback as well. Let's talk about

619
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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. This is my big thing other than Bill O'Brien,

620
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Speaker 2: and this is my big take about the entire spring

621
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Speaker 2: of the summer. I have no time and you can

622
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Speaker 2: call in an email in and disagree, because plenty of

623
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Speaker 2: people already have about this. I have absolutely no time

624
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Speaker 2: at all for your quarterback competition. I do not I

625
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: did not want to see a quarterback competition. I want

626
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: to waste time with the quarterback competition. I don't want

627
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: to hear it. I don't want to hear about how

628
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: it pushes. Oh, it's gonna push Mac Jones. This is

629
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Speaker 2: gonna get the best out it, you know, because they

630
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Speaker 2: haven't tried pushing. You know what's gonna get the best

631
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: out of Mac Jones? Getting him ready for the season.

632
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: How about that? How about he's on his third coordinator

633
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: in three years and the NFL is in another system. Again,

634
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: it's certainly gonna have some overlap to his rookie year system.

635
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna deny that. But in general, another system,

636
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: another voice, another guy leading the charge, a guy that

637
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: we think is gonna be good at the job. I'll,

638
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, I'll put that aside. All that. I've seen

639
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: two quarterback competitions in my time on the beat already

640
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: because of the situation that we're in. One of them

641
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: was a legitimate competition. That was twenty twenty COVID year

642
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: Cam Newton versus Jaredson Mcbrian Hoyn, which.

643
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: Cam Newton won by decidedly by default. He won that

644
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: in a first round knockout.

645
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: He won it by default. But but with that being

646
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: said they wasted. I would say there was no spring

647
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: that year, right because of COVID. They wasted like the

648
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Speaker 2: first ten days of training camp on a competition on

649
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: rotating every oh everybody gets a turn, right, everybody gets

650
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: a turn, and we're gonna do this, and we're gonna

651
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: do that. I don't think the Cam Newton Patriots that

652
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: roster was was.

653
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: In shambles, was beyond camp.

654
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: That was not a good team. But I still wonder

655
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: to an extent if they had just came into camp

656
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: knowing that Cam Newton was going to be the starting

657
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: quarterback and didn't try to try to convince themselves that

658
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: Jared Stidham at that stage or ever was a starting

659
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: quarterback in this league. How much more creative, how much

660
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: more could they have put in right in terms of

661
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: the running elements is what I'm talking about.

662
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: How much even more than that, how much more comfortable

663
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: would Cam have been with some of the receivers, because

664
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: it was definitely a feeling out process early on, right, and.

665
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: He was our already behind the eight ball because of

666
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: how short the off season and the training camp were.

667
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: I don't even think he didn't sign it until like July.

668
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so yeah, he was already wasn't a full camp. Yeah,

669
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: and then they wasted the time trying to figure out

670
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: all who's the starter when it was pretty clear the

671
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: only guy that had any chance to start in the

672
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: NFL that season for the Patriots is Cam Newton. So

673
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: that's one. The other one that I witnessed was obviously

674
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Cam versus Mac, right, which wasn't really a quarterback competition again,

675
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: because Cam would get four reps and then Mac would

676
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: get twenty five straight.

677
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Right, But yes, and no, Cam would get four reps,

678
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Mac would get twenty five straight. But Cam would get

679
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: four reps with the starters and Mac would get twenty

680
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: five with the backups. Yeah, it didn't shift till the

681
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: end of the year. I don't mean to cut you

682
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: off here, but.

683
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: It's also a waste of time, that's my point.

684
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: But here's the thing about that one. If you are

685
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: somebody who thinks Mac's not the best option, right, they

686
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: should go with Bailey's appy, they should go with Billie

687
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: Cunningham and somebody somebody brought this up in the chat.

688
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's the best player plays No, but wait,

689
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. That's sort of what that twenty twenty

690
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: one battle was Yeah, Mac, I don't think it was

691
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: about so you said before, Right, they wasted time because

692
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: they didn't know who their starter was going to be

693
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: early on.

694
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: Yep.

695
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: I think what happened in twenty twenty one was they

696
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: did know. I think they went into camp fully ready

697
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: for Cam Newton to start that season and Mac Jones

698
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: to begin the year on the bench, and Mac played

699
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: so well they had no choice, okay but to say,

700
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: all right, we have to now start giving to this

701
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: kid a chance with the starters. So could that be

702
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: the thing that happens. So here's the thing.

703
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: They're two different kinds. Yes, that, and that's sort of

704
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: what I'm driving at too, right. I'm glad you kind

705
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: of summed it up that way. Yeah, but I am

706
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: leaving the door open for Vailey's appy. If Mac Jones

707
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 2: has a rough camp, if Mac Jones has a rough

708
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: start to the season, is where I'm really at with it.

709
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: Like if the first month doesn't go well, yeah, and

710
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: they're zero to four coming out of September, and it's

711
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: just clear that this wasn't all just Matt Patricia being

712
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia. This is also just Mac is maybe just

713
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: not not the guy. Right then, I'm leaving that door open.

714
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: But going into the season, I don't want to hear

715
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: that the best player will play. I don't want to

716
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: hear that. Oh well, we gotta you know, Mac, you

717
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: got to push him. We got to see what it's no, no,

718
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: be it be good teams don't do stuff like but

719
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: here's but here's what I'm in line.

720
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: So again, the twenty twenty one was like a true

721
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: when people think of quarterback competition, both guys going back

722
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: and forth to the starters don't do that. Yeah, because,

723
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: like you said, they need to get Mac ready. Yeah

724
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: that Mac needs to be working with David Andrews and

725
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: with Juju Smith Schuster and Hunter Henry and Mike Kasicki

726
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: and that whole group. Yep, right, that's what he needs

727
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: to be doing all the time. But at the same time,

728
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: down at Brookline, whatever you said. You said you want

729
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: to leave the door open for Bailey's apps.

730
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 2: I want to leave the door open.

731
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rephrase that.

732
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm leaving the door open me too. I'm leaving the

733
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: door open because from all the tea leaves, I have

734
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 2: to write like I can't I can't ignore the fact

735
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: that the head coach of the team didn't say his

736
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: name for like six months in the offseason, right, So

737
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: I can't leave it. I have to leave it open

738
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: because it is a possibility.

739
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: Well, no, but there's a difference here. There's a difference

740
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: between what we think they should do and what they

741
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: will do. Honestly, even what I think they should do.

742
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: And this is me is a mac Jones guy. I'm

743
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: not leaving the door open for Bailey's appy, but I'll

744
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: leave it unlocked if he can open it.

745
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: Like, this is the thing. Drill mac Jones with the starters.

746
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: Give mac Jones all the high impact reps, all that,

747
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: but if on that second field, Bailey's appy looks so

748
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: damn good that you can't help. But wonder what happens

749
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: if we plug this guy in with the starters, if

750
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: it gets to that point. I'm not opposed, but I

751
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: don't think it's a true quarterback competition. Everything should be

752
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: set up for mac Jones to be getting ready for

753
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: the season. The only reason Bailey should come. Bailey's appy

754
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: should come into the conversations. If it becomes clear mac

755
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: Jones maybe isn't the best option for the season because

756
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: as of right now, everything we know, Mac Jones is

757
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: the best option and it's not close, so just get

758
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: him ready. I just that's what they should be focusing.

759
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: I just think that a lot of the time, with

760
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: these these competitions and with the best players should have

761
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: played mentality and and the back and forth and all

762
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, what you end up doing is

763
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: you end up not fully preparing either guy exactly, right.

764
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, well it's that old saying when you have

765
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, you know, on a quarterback right.

766
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: So, and what it also reminds me of is, you know,

767
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 2: we've covered a lot of training camp practices at this point,

768
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: and some joint practices too, and sometimes they've had joint practices.

769
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: And I go back to like Carolina last year, Yeah,

770
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: right where it was it was Donald, right, Donald and

771
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: Baker and they had a quarterback competition. It was it

772
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: was two former failed top five picks going head to

773
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: head and they had a quarterback competition. And they got

774
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: into the season and it was Baker right off the top,

775
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: I think, or I don't even remember, but either the

776
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: bottom line is it didn't work out for either one

777
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: of them. They both sucked, right, and maybe they just

778
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: both suck, like maybe they're just both bad players. Like

779
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: I you know, that's I'm leaving that out there, but

780
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: I am of the school thought that I believe that

781
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: if they had fully prepared Baker Mayfield, they're fully prepared

782
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold and not wasted their time going back and forth,

783
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: it would have been better. And this is why a

784
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: lot of teams only really have a competition for like

785
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: a week, right, and then they and then they call it,

786
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: you know, because somebody at some point in time, you

787
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: have to start getting the guy ready. And at this point,

788
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: I want Mac Jones to be the guy. I want

789
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: everything this offseason to be pushing those chips in the

790
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: middle of the table of Mac Jones being the guy.

791
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: Where I will open the door for Bailey Zappy is

792
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 2: if they start zero and four, they start one six,

793
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: if they start terribly, yeah, and now they have decided

794
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: that Mac is not our future. We are going to

795
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: draft another quarterback. We're gonna be in the quarterback carousel

796
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: again next offseason. And if they want to give the

797
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 2: last seven eight games to Bailey Zappy to see, well,

798
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: maybe it's Bailey.

799
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Just to see right, just to find out because fine

800
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: might as well know.

801
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: Fine, but this year is about deciding on Mac Jones

802
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: and getting him into a quarterback competition in the summer

803
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: does him no good.

804
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: But I and I'm right there with you. It should

805
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: be Mac Jones.

806
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: It's his job.

807
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: I wrote this last year after the Bears game. It's

808
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: still Mac Jones' job because it was his job to

809
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: lose and he didn't lose it.

810
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: He didn't.

811
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: He did not lose it last year. Right now, I

812
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: don't know that they'll see it the same way. I

813
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if we get out there and

814
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: it's him and Bailey ZAPPI splitting reps fifty fifty. I

815
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: don't think it would be the right.

816
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: Move, but I could see it. Will bug me, I know, no,

817
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: it'll bug me too, But could you see it? I

818
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: could one hundred percent see it. And that's exactly I

819
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: wanted to get this take out because I could see

820
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: it coming from a mile away. And what I think

821
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: is gonna again, what I will repeat, I think is

822
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: gonna end up happening if you do that to yourself,

823
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: is that neither Mac Jones nor Bailey's Appy will play well.

824
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: It's gonna look discombobulated again. Yeah, because there's not gonna

825
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: be that chemistry.

826
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: Right, So let's let's like you said, when you have

827
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: when you have two quarterbacks, you don't have a quarterback.

828
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: Even if this is this is really what it is

829
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: to me, Even if mac Jones isn't the guy, I

830
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: want them to act like he's the guy. I want

831
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: them to play the part for now. And if you

832
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: decide come October, come November like this just isn't working

833
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: here and this isn't the path that we're gonna go

834
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: down long term, then then maybe you get Bailey some

835
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: games late in the year to see what he's got.

836
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: So that way, there you have a full picture of

837
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: how you're going into your off season to jump back

838
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: on the carousel. But for right now, you act like

839
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: he's the unquestioned QB one he acts, and I want

840
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: to see that out of him too, Like I want

841
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: to see him acting like he's the young question QB one,

842
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: him him leading the offense, him playing with confidence, Like

843
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: those are the types of things that I want to see.

844
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: And look, I'll admit and I think you're in the

845
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: same boat, Alex, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm more confident

846
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: in mac Jones than other people are, I think, And

847
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: I'm willing to live on that hill like I'm willing

848
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: to die on it. I mean, I think he can

849
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: play in this league. I think that he can be

850
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: a starting quarterback in this league. Do I think that

851
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: he's ever going to be Patrick Mahomes?

852
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: No?

853
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 2: But do I think that he could be at least

854
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins in the NFL if things are how they

855
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: should be. Yes, And I think there's a lot to

856
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: be said for that level of quarterback, Like, yes, you

857
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: could jump back in the carousel and go after the

858
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: lottery ticket, right and try to chase a Patrick Mahomes

859
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: or a Josh Allen.

860
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: Means it goes back to something we said earlier. Patriots

861
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: fans already fed up? Right, Yeah, do you want to

862
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: spend two decades doing that? Because that's usually how long

863
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: it takes. I'm with you on mac Jones. Look, I think,

864
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: and I've given this speech before. If you're sitting here

865
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: on May twenty fifth, twenty twenty three, and you're comfortable

866
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: definitively saying mac Jones is the answer, or comfortable saying

867
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 1: mac Jones is not the answer, You're kidding yourself. Yeah,

868
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: because we don't know. We haven't seen enough to know

869
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: something as an anomaly. Either twenty twenty one is the

870
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: anomaly or twenty twenty two is the anomaly.

871
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

872
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: If I had a guess, and I'd like to think

873
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: I've watched a little bit of football in my life.

874
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: I have a decent understanding how these things work. Yeah,

875
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: nobody's right every time. But I again, I've seen the

876
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: game once or twice. I think twenty twenty two is

877
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: the anomaly. Yeah, I think he's closer to the player

878
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: he was as a rookie than he was last year.

879
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: I go back to a comp evan. Both of us

880
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: made a lot coming out of the draft. That's as

881
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: the ceiling, and that's Matt Ryan.

882
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we did. That was our ceiling.

883
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: I still think that's on the table if they put

884
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: the right pieces around him.

885
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: Ceiling feels like I still think.

886
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: That's on the table if they put the right if

887
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: they put the right pieces around him.

888
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: Does he get Sark and Julio Jones too, or is

889
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: it just Matt ran Well.

890
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you Shanahan, or I wanted to

891
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: ask you that that actually reminds me a question I

892
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: meant to ask earlier, we didn't get to it is

893
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. He's had three offensive coordinators now or will

894
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: have three? Bill o brian the best offensive coordinator Mac

895
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: Jones has had.

896
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: Well, somebody actually asked us in that email, Josh McDaniels

897
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: or Bill O'Brien. I think that Bill O'Brien. It's a

898
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: good question. I think Bill O'Brien's maybe a little bit

899
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: more creative, like a little bit more innovative. Yes, I

900
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 2: say more than a little. I think that he's somebody

901
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: that truly enjoys the evolution of the game, and like

902
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: I think he has a lot of fun. Like I

903
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: think I talked to him last time he had assistants.

904
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: I talked to Will Longing, the new tight ends coach

905
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: who came with Bill O'Brien, was in Houston with Bill O'Brien.

906
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: Then he was with Alabama with Bill O'Brien. So he was, yeah,

907
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: so he's followed him everywhere. And the one thing, you know,

908
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: we were talking a little bit about Alabama and everything

909
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: they did there, and a couple of things that he

910
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: said was, you know, Bill's really good at We've had

911
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: some very very different personnel pretty much everywhere we've gone,

912
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: you know, like it really hasn't been you know, at

913
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: Penn State it was like Christian Hackenberg, right, it was

914
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: then it was DeShawn obviously in Hopkins, very different quarterbacks

915
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: Houston and then and now it's Price Young, right, and

916
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: and what they've had at Alabama and he said, you

917
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: know that they they really ran things through the strengths

918
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: of the personnel, and some of that was drastically different, right.

919
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing that he mentioned, you know,

920
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: we were talking a little bit about the RPO package

921
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: at Alabama, and I was just like, you know what

922
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: makes it. It's this, It's it's held to a very

923
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: high standard in terms of RPO.

924
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: The Alabama RPO package, for people who don't know, is

925
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: like the gold stand That is when when when people

926
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: want to show what an RPO is, how an RPO

927
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: is supposed to work the show element.

928
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's one of the gold standards of it

929
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: for sure. And he said that that was is.

930
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Like the titleist pro Yeah of r PO package.

931
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. That's like the golf.

932
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: I have no idea what he's talking about.

933
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: It's like three dollars a ball.

934
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: Is that expensive?

935
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: Yes?

936
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so uh expensive? No idea, uh RPO the RPO package.

937
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: And he said, well that was already there, you know

938
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: that we kind of adopted that and and kind of

939
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: learned about it and and all those types of things.

940
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: So I think that Bill O'Brien's a little bit more

941
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: open to new ideas, I guess, you know, and a

942
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: little bit more innovative and a little bit more cutting edge,

943
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: if you will, than Josh McDaniels. I do think that

944
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: there's something to be said for the foundational elements for McDaniels.

945
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: Like I think that his his core set of plays

946
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: and like his core playbook is gonna be sound in

947
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: football one hundred years ago and one hundred years so right,

948
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: Like it just it's always gonna work. That's something to

949
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: be said for that.

950
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: To go back to the original question, is Bill O'Brien

951
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: the best offensive coordinator Max's ever had?

952
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

953
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: That, And I know you're a guy that really likes

954
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: and really respects Josh McDaniels, are not knocking you for that,

955
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: But that sounded like a really long way of saying, yes,

956
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is better without actually saying it because you

957
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to say that about Josh McDaniels. Am I

958
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: translating correctly.

959
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: They're just different cats. I don't know, they're just different

960
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: like Josh. Josh is a traditionalist, right, like Josh is

961
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: under center full back.

962
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: Who is better for mac Jones? I'm not saying who's

963
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: a better offense corner.

964
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: I would say probably Bill O'Brien because you know what,

965
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: I think another big difference between the two of them

966
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: two is Bill O'Brien's a little bit more of a

967
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: gun slinger, Like Bill O'Brien shoots from.

968
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: The hippottle a little more just effet.

969
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, And I don't mean that as like,

970
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, last year, like they're chucking the ball fifty

971
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: yards down the field and throwing picks. I don't mean

972
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: it like that. I just mean like he's a little

973
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: bit more willing to try stuff.

974
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: He'll put his cards on the table. Yeah yeah, So yeah,

975
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: to go back to the original original question.

976
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: Now that's the PG wave of putting that.

977
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: To go back to yeah, I know, to go back

978
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: to the original way, the original question of or the

979
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: original point of I still think the truth ceiling that

980
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan Kopp is still there, and you had said,

981
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: does he get Steve Sarkisian, does he get Julio Jones?

982
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: So he doesn't have Julio Jones yet?

983
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: Well what have we spent this entire offseason yelling about

984
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: more than anything else?

985
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: Right, So that's my point.

986
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to be Matt Ryan this year,

987
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: but I'm saying if they get him everything they need

988
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: to get him, I think they can. And that is

989
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: part of the reason I've been so blue in the

990
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: face about go get Jerry Judy, go get one of

991
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: these guys. And I'm still gonna be that. Well, we'll

992
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: see how it goes this year, but like assuming he

993
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: comes back, and we'll be saying that next year, right,

994
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: let's trade up in the draft. They're not gonna be

995
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: able to get Marvin Harrison junior, but go get save

996
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: you're worthy, Go get a guy like that.

997
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting to see what if mac

998
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: thrives more in Bill O'Brien's system than McDaniel's system. But

999
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: let's say he does, because mcdaniels's system is very much

1000
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 2: like you play my system, right, like you like Cam

1001
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: Newton was like running the same drought back concept as

1002
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: Tom bract Like. It's like just like you have to

1003
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: figure this out, whereas I think Bill O'Brien is a

1004
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: little bit more Yeah, like I said, a little bit

1005
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: more cutting out, a little bit more willing to evolve.

1006
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: So to go back to the point Bill O'Brien's here,

1007
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: let's say they click this, yere works that next year

1008
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: they go out and they get add the any wide

1009
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: receiver number one you want, right, a real wide receiver one.

1010
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: What are we going to be sitting here saying the

1011
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: expectations are for mac Jones, Hi exactly. That's good point.

1012
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on from this. And I'm sorry

1013
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: we got some people a little bit angry. So if

1014
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: you want to call in and yell at us about

1015
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: the quarterback competition, which I still can't figure out for

1016
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: the life I.

1017
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: Think people are just annoyed that we talked about it,

1018
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: which I'm kind of glad.

1019
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: I just can't figure out for the life of me

1020
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: why people want a quarterback competition Like that doesn't mean

1021
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 2: that's not a good thing, folks. It's not a good

1022
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: thing if you if you have a quarterback competition means

1023
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: both of your guys think, all right, like.

1024
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: They weren't having quarterback competitions when they were winning six Super.

1025
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: Bowl Yeah, no, exactly. Maybe backup, you don't go to

1026
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: Kansas City OTAs and they're like, oh, what about that

1027
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: quarterback competition today? Guys, No, they don't talk about those

1028
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: types of things anyways. What else so with with OTAs,

1029
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: I think the other big thing, Look, the rookies is

1030
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: always a popular one. I think we're all looking forward

1031
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: to seeing Christian Gonzales, even seeing you know, tomorrow Douglas

1032
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: and Kaishan Bhute, right like that, that's always out there,

1033
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: and the rookies are up there. How they replaced Devin

1034
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: mccordy in that back on defense and that I think

1035
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: we can really start to glean some things from OTAs

1036
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: just because of who is playing what position, right, Like,

1037
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily you know, game planned, it's not we're

1038
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: not getting even close to anything like that, but we

1039
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 2: can see who's lining up where right, and that's gonna

1040
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: be a big tell. And I'm I'm I'm fascinated by

1041
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: it because there is a couple, there's more than a couple,

1042
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: there's a probably half a dozen ways that I can

1043
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: think of that they could do this, and then there's

1044
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: probably another half a dozen that they that I I'm

1045
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: not thinking about that they are, right Like, so we're

1046
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: we're talking about a lot of different variables in a

1047
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 2: lot of different ways about going about things. I think

1048
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: the the really really like off the beaten path things

1049
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: that people have come up with, for example, like Jonathan

1050
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 2: Jones moving to free safety. I don't think that that's

1051
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: something that you do right away. I don't think that

1052
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: that's a that that's something that you jump to immediately.

1053
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: I think that's something that you might go to if

1054
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: you are giving up big plays all over the place

1055
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: in September and you just you have to figure out

1056
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: something else, right, you have to come up with a

1057
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: different idea. I think for right now, what I think

1058
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: they're going to try to do is really not put

1059
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: too much on one guy's plate to play the single

1060
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: high role all by himself and kind of be a

1061
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: little bit more unpredictable, Like less predictable, I guess is

1062
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: a better way to put that, right. Because I remember

1063
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: Devin mccordy, shortly after he announced that he was retiring,

1064
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: he actually tweeted this out that one of the biggest

1065
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: things for him looking at their defense was opposing offenses

1066
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: knew where he was going to be, Like he was

1067
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: going to be in the deep part of the field,

1068
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: right Like everybody knew that that's where Devin mccordy was

1069
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 2: going to be. Now with Kyle Duggart, with Adrian Phillips

1070
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: and Jabriel Peppers, and I do believe that we're gonna

1071
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: get out there and Jalen Mills is going to be

1072
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: a safety. I think he's going to be working with

1073
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: the safeties. Jalen Mills with the safeties. They they are

1074
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 2: a little bit more interchangeable, Like they have that potential

1075
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more versatile, a little bit

1076
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: more mixed and match and interchangeable. And my guess is

1077
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: is that that's what you're going to see a ton of.

1078
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot of post snap rotations, not

1079
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: a whole lot of static structure. It's going to be

1080
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: too high into one high. It's gonna be one high

1081
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: into too high, and they're really just gonna spin the dial,

1082
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: which they do a lot anyways. But I think at

1083
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: the end of the day, what was always had, you know,

1084
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: most of the time is Devon was spinning the dial

1085
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: into the same spot right right, So they might start

1086
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: it too high. But when they rotated into single high,

1087
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: they know that the buzz player is going to be

1088
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar and the single high guy is gonna be

1089
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: Devin mccordy. Now it could be either one of those safeties,

1090
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: which maybe does present a little bit more of unpredictability.

1091
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: But that's where I think that we're gonna see most

1092
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: of it. So I think we're gonna get out there

1093
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 2: at ota Is next week and everybody's gonna be playing

1094
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: free safety. It's not, you know, and I think that

1095
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: will be a big storyline. Yeah, I agree with you there.

1096
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: You know, you named a bunch of different possibilities. Is

1097
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: it Kyle Duggar, Is it Jonathan Jones? Is it Jalen Mills?

1098
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Is Miles Bryant back there? Are they going one high?

1099
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: Are they going too high? I think the reality is

1100
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: all the above. I think it's gonna be a little

1101
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: bit of everything. You know. The real question is when

1102
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: they get down into goal line, what does it look like?

1103
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 2: Right?

1104
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: You know, if they do a two minute drill when

1105
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: it's third and ten, fourth and ten, right, does it

1106
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: look like that's really the question. But I think it's

1107
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a whole bunch of different looks. I don't

1108
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: think they're gonna stick with one thing, and that's gonna

1109
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: be how they replace Devin mccordy.

1110
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you replaced a player of that

1111
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: caliber just by saying you got it, Kyle Duggar right, like,

1112
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: like you're Devin mccordy now. Like, I don't think you

1113
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 2: can do that because there's just so much downloaded into

1114
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 2: the computer from Devin McCarty's perspective for all the years

1115
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: that he was back there that I think it's so

1116
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 2: hard to just ask one guy to replace a player

1117
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: like that. I mean, you're asking one guy to basically

1118
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: replace a borderline Hall of Fame player guy I would

1119
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: put it in Canton. But you know, maybe that's an

1120
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: argument for people that aren't as biased as me on

1121
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: that one, but in general, I think that's that's not

1122
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: how you do it. I am really interested to see

1123
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: when we get into the season, and obviously, you know,

1124
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: keep track of this type of stuff, like do they

1125
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: get more into the too high family, Like are they

1126
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: more of a cover two quarters based defense instead of

1127
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 2: what they've been so heavily a post safety cover three,

1128
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 2: cover one defense for Devin McCarty's career. Are do they

1129
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: go on that trend a little bit more, because that's

1130
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: the trend right now, right it's the Fangio tree, it's

1131
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: college style stuff, it's type fronts, it's you know, so

1132
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: much of what the league is doing now is to

1133
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: try to slow down. Obviously these quarterbacks and these passing

1134
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: offenses and too high is getting extremely popular. And even

1135
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: the Patriots have been a little bit more too high heavy,

1136
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: certainly in certain situations in particular, than they have been

1137
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: in the past, and that that's actually not you know

1138
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: that Bill's played some too high in his career, like

1139
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: he's been a base too high guy. Early two thousands

1140
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: they did a little bit more than they do now. Yeah,

1141
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: eighties with the Giants, they were, I mean, because it's

1142
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: so long ago, Cover twos, cover two doesn't change.

1143
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: S got distracted because the Falcons ran a surprise on

1144
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: sidekick on the TV behind you.

1145
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: It's okay, I was watching Michael Vick highlights when callers

1146
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 2: were calling in and complaining about how bad the team was. Like, yeah,

1147
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: so anyways, I'm interested to see that I'm trying to

1148
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 2: think of this is our first look and just kind

1149
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: of moving away from the defense for a second, because,

1150
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, as much as I wish

1151
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: that we could talk about like storylines on the defensive

1152
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: line and stuff like that, there's no pads, there's no contact,

1153
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna get too caught up in like

1154
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: what Keon White looks like in this these spring practices,

1155
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, I think we'll talk about like what he

1156
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 2: looks like physically, like you know that that sometimes pops

1157
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: out at you, like even though he's not the same player.

1158
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 2: But Sam Roberts last year, I remember being like, Okay,

1159
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: that guy's gigantic. Yeah, like that's an NFL defensive lineman.

1160
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: So maybe we'll see some of that. But the other

1161
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: thing that I think will be really interesting about what

1162
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: happens is we've really we've not seen Juju or Mike

1163
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: Kasiki like in the Patriot uniform yet, right, Like, this

1164
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 2: is sort of our first look at that and really

1165
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: our first semblance of what their roles are gonna sort

1166
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: of be. And I think, in particularly with Juju, what

1167
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: how are they gonna make him the high volume guy?

1168
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: Because he's clearly here to be the high volume guy, right.

1169
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna be a guy that, in theory

1170
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 2: should have one hundred plus targets seventy five plus catches

1171
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: like he had ninety last year catches wise with the

1172
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: with Kansas City, So he should be a high volume guy.

1173
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: First time really kind of seeing what that's gonna look like.

1174
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 2: What do you expect I guess out of this those

1175
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: Juju things. I think a lot of it is we

1176
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: almost like have forgotten, not forgotten, but I think we

1177
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: talked so much about some of the other guys that

1178
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: that juju, and in particular, we haven't really talked about

1179
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: him a lot lately. You know, it's kind of with

1180
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 2: the draft and everything.

1181
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean exactly what you said. I think

1182
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: he's going to be in the slot. I think he's

1183
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna be that guy. I think he should be on

1184
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: pace to catch one hundred footballs. So yeah, we'll see

1185
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: if there's confirmation of that to one other and I

1186
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: so I don't know if we'll see him. You kind

1187
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: of reminded me of this with Keon White.

1188
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: Don't want to bring this up.

1189
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: I talked about how this is really more so ot

1190
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: is more about learning usage than seeing like who's beating

1191
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: out who for what position? Yeah, I don't it doesn't

1192
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: is Martain Mapu gonna be on the field, Like, I'm

1193
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: not sure think so right, because it's coming back from

1194
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: that shoulder surgery. I really would have liked to see

1195
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: how they were using him.

1196
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully, like maybe there he's healthy enough to like

1197
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: go through like positional drills and stuff like that. He's

1198
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: definitely I would be absolutely shocked if he's participating in

1199
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: anything team related, but maybe he's in. When I see

1200
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 2: team related, I mean like seven on seven, eleven on eleven,

1201
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: if maybe we get to see him go through a

1202
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: positional drill which helps us dictate where what position he's thrilling,

1203
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: So maybe we get to see that that that those

1204
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: are always interesting, you know who's who's changing positions, who's

1205
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: working out with what, especially with those types of guys

1206
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: like Mapu kind of like blare the lines between a

1207
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: couple positions of where he could potentially be one last

1208
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: thing that I had on my list, And uh, you know,

1209
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: just a general take on this as well, I might

1210
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: be right about it at some point because I think

1211
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: this is such a big They were just talking about

1212
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: Julio Jones. Can Mac that guy Taekwon Thornton Like this

1213
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: is this is a low key big deal for this offense.

1214
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: Is type is making Taekwon Thornton work, like making him

1215
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: a thing? It's Mac Joe. Making Mac Jones work is

1216
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: number one by a long shot, but making Taekwon Thornton

1217
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: work might be number two. Don't they kind of go

1218
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: hand in hand? Yeah? Jones are what I mean?

1219
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Don't you have to get Taekwon Thornton going?

1220
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think that that's sort of where I'm

1221
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: coming from. So I think that when you look at

1222
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien, he's actually had two receivers that have similar

1223
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: body types to Taekwon Thory. Now one of them's Will Fuller.

1224
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 5: Uh.

1225
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: With with the the Texans, will Fuller was like six

1226
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: feet one eighty five.

1227
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: I was surprised. I will Fuller to me always seemed

1228
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: like a much bigger guy.

1229
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: Than me too. Yeah, but he's not. I looked this

1230
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: up and what he waited at the combine. He seemed

1231
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: to play bigger, and I think that the difference, you know,

1232
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: watched I went back and watched will Fuller's big season.

1233
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty nineteen with Bill O'Brien made, Yeah,

1234
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen something like that, and uh, the one thing

1235
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: that definitely stood out was, you know, they would give

1236
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: him these opportunities on twenty twenty on the outside to

1237
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: just go one on one and uh and he well,

1238
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I think it wasn't that was his big year,

1239
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: but that was no Brian, Brian, Brian, that was well

1240
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: Brian for the first four weeks of the season. Oh,

1241
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: you're right. So I looked at twenty nineteen.

1242
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: He had a pretty good year in twenty nineteen two

1243
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: as pretty good did There were a lot of times

1244
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: and this is sort of what I've said about Taekwon

1245
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: in the past, where he's just going one on one

1246
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: against press on the outside and wins, right, you know,

1247
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: And I think the big thing.

1248
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: Not only getting off the line of scrimmage, but being

1249
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: able to finish through some contact at the catch point

1250
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: was something that stood out with Bill Fuller. If Taekwon

1251
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: is going to be an eight hundred yard plus like

1252
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: a really good receiver, not just a field stretcher, not

1253
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: just like this gimmicky thing. If he's gonna be like

1254
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: a high volume, really really good receiver. He's going to

1255
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: have to add that to his bag. And I think

1256
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: that's where putting on weight, developing his routes, you know,

1257
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: developing his strength down the field, like, that's where those

1258
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: things come into play from him on an individual basis.

1259
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: But there was a lot of other things that that

1260
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: O'Brien did with Will Fuller. The other guy that as

1261
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: a similar body type is Jameson Williams, right, And I

1262
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: think you look at those two guys and some of

1263
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: the alignments and some of the ways that Bill o'pro

1264
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: and a either created foot races for them in space

1265
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: or b just simply got them off the line of

1266
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: scrimmage without them having to make a move off the

1267
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and press right like that just a stack,

1268
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, where it's one guy in front of him

1269
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: and him off the line of scrimmage. So it just

1270
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: kind of creates that natural separation, that natural bubble of

1271
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: space like a pick or a bunch formation, which is

1272
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: similar motion certainly like bringing him in motion before the

1273
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: snap are at the snab to avoid contact. Those are

1274
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: the types of things that I think that Bill O'Brien

1275
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: can do that will get Taekwon to be a threat, right,

1276
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: the stats are gonna come from Taekwon, Like, Taekwon's going

1277
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: to have to do that individually. But for Taiwan to

1278
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,479
Speaker 2: be a threat, I think Bill O'Brien can do that

1279
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: with alignment, with play calling, with that type of stuff.

1280
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: And the other thing he did with Fuller was obviously play

1281
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: action shots right, deep post routs, deep overs, things like

1282
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: that off play action where the intermediate is sucking up

1283
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: the safety and then it becomes a one on one

1284
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: for the receiver over the top. Like those are the

1285
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: types of things that the coach can do. What I

1286
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: want to see out of Taekwon is certainly, look where's

1287
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: he at physically, Like in terms of his frame. You know,

1288
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: if he comes in and no one wants him to

1289
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: be two hundred and ten pounds and lose the four

1290
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: to two eight like, no one wants that pose. Yeah,

1291
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: but if he's one ninety instead of one to eighty,

1292
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 2: like that could be a big difference. And just his

1293
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: physicality and his willingness to kind of fight through some

1294
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: contact and finish plays and finish routes not just catches

1295
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: right like, not just fighting for it at the catch

1296
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: point but when he breaks the route off is it

1297
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: is he able to kind of stave off a defender.

1298
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: Is he able to kind of run through the frame

1299
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: a little bit and through that contact to get himself separation.

1300
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: He is a big time X factor for this team

1301
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: and it feels like, like you said, it goes hand

1302
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: in hand with mac Jones, And if this offense is

1303
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: to hit its ceiling, then both those guys have to

1304
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: hit their ceilings, so they both have to individually perform.

1305
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And you know, I think it's that

1306
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: Z position And that's probably where I know a lot

1307
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: of people think of Thornton as an X because he's

1308
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: six three.

1309
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's that Z And I know.

1310
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: You just talked a lot about Taekwon Thornton, but to me,

1311
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: it's between Thornton and Born. They need somebody in that

1312
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: position like truly producing.

1313
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: You know that.

1314
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, pull these numbers out of nowhere.

1315
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: I kept running that that pff FLA season simulators just

1316
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: because I was curious earlier. Good good that they well, no,

1317
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: make fun of the simulator, not me.

1318
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's a little bit of I.

1319
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: Like Kendrick Bourne kept getting like fifty catches, eight hundred yards,

1320
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: like five touchdowns. Well no, but here's my point, Like,

1321
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: if they can get that stat line from the Z position,

1322
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: whether that's Born or Thornton, like that, they're in great shape. Right,

1323
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of the season you're looking for from that role.

1324
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, when we talked about the

1325
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: Z position, it's Wes Welker and Julian Edelman are one

1326
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: type Z, and obviously Taekwon is a different type of Z. Right,

1327
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: He's not going to be a jitterbug. He's not going

1328
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: to be you know, five yard ends and whip routs

1329
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: and like that's not gonna be his game necessarily, But

1330
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that he's not a Z. And when

1331
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: you say a Z, you mean a guy that is

1332
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: playing off the line of scrimmage, right, So that allows

1333
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: him to move around, that allows him to come in motion,

1334
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: that allows him to play in the slot a lot,

1335
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: and to basically play off of the line so that

1336
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 2: he's not pressed up against a second X. And this

1337
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 2: team really, I think is still gravitating to Devonte Parker

1338
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 2: probably being the primary X guy. I mean they should

1339
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: just simply because he's the best body type and best

1340
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: player for it right now, that leads Taekwon as probably

1341
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: the natural Z in a different type of mold certainly

1342
01:03:53,840 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: than what they've had historically there and then Juju, it's

1343
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: kind of it kind of becomes like a different he's

1344
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: kind of an F right, like he's.

1345
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: He's a slot.

1346
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: So the F is the F is the other off

1347
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 2: the line receiver, right, So X is your X, you

1348
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: backside on the line receiver. Z is your flankers. He

1349
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: is your move around guy's the guy that plays off

1350
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: the line too. And in three receiver sets, O'Brien calls

1351
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 2: it an F like it's the F receiver, which is

1352
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: your other off the line guy that's not playing on

1353
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: the on the weak side of the formation, so he's

1354
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: playing on the same side as the tight end primarily.

1355
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 2: That that feels like Juju, And you know that that position.

1356
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: You know O'Brien's offense plays a ton in the slot.

1357
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: You know that that that's a guy that's probably going

1358
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: to play sixty five percent at least out of the slot.

1359
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: And you start to get into that's right, and you

1360
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: start to get in some different things. So the question

1361
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: really is is with this receiver group other than the rookies,

1362
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: which we can get to here in a second and

1363
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: kind of end it with that is when they are

1364
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: playing twelve personnel, Kaziki kind of becomes the f right

1365
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: like he's the move tight end, you know, Hunter Henry

1366
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: is still the why? Like how who comes off the field? Right?

1367
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: Like is Taekwon then become an X? Or does Taekwon

1368
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: come off the field and Devonte Parker stays on the

1369
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: field as the X? Like how does that situation sort

1370
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: itself out? But in three receiver sets? Like you know

1371
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: that should? I think that Taekwon is a natural Z,

1372
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: Like that's the guy that is your fastest, most dynamic

1373
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 2: player and I think right now that's probably him.

1374
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think the beauty of it and if they're

1375
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: gonna go back to true Earhart Perkins, right is you

1376
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: do both because if you're running the same play like

1377
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: the same x's and o's and draw lines forever, right, Yeah,

1378
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: But you run it once with Parker at the X,

1379
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: Thornton at the z juju in the slot Hunter Henry

1380
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: is your tight end, and then you run it again

1381
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: with Thornton at the X juju as the z Kasiki

1382
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: is the slot and Henry is the tight end. Even

1383
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: though it's the same rep combination, it's a very different

1384
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: play that has to be defended. That personnel grouping has

1385
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: to be defended completely differently with a different package. So ideally,

1386
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: the answer to your question is sometimes this sometimes that

1387
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: I've been saying this for two years, the strength of

1388
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: this team's receiver group. I know they don't have a

1389
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: true number one, but I think there's legitimate strength and

1390
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: legitimate upside in the fact that there's really no overlap

1391
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: outside of maybe Borden and Thornton, but not even really everybody.

1392
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: Everybody wins differently, and you can throw Gasiki and Henry

1393
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: into that as well. So when you can, and when

1394
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: they were at their best in the first O'Brien stint

1395
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: and early on with Josh McDaniels, this is what they did.

1396
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: They don't run a lot of different plays. They just

1397
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 1: run the plays they run with different personnel and the

1398
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: execute him at a very high level. Yeah, it's they

1399
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: kind of have the perfect offense.

1400
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 2: To get back to that. It's window dressing, you know.

1401
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: They dress them up differently and it looks a little

1402
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: bit different, but it's really the same. Yeah. Look, I

1403
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: think there's a lot to be said for all that,

1404
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be interesting to see how they use

1405
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: all these guys that are I will we will both

1406
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: fully admit I think that none of these guys. They

1407
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: don't have a Tyreek Hill. They don't have a Stefon Diggs.

1408
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 2: They don't have a DeVante Adams, they don't have an

1409
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: aj Brown, they don't have one of those guys as

1410
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 2: just you know, the most talented guy on the field.

1411
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: They don't. But they do have guys that they can

1412
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: mix and match with a little bit, and it can

1413
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 2: place in do some different things. And if you can

1414
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: get Taekwon's speed to be a factor, and you can

1415
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: get Juju's catch and run ability to be a factor,

1416
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: and if you can get Kasiki's seam running ability to

1417
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: be a factor, then those things can put stresses on

1418
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: defenses individually. Even if it's not like one guy that

1419
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: on Tesday, you know, the Tuesday meeting guy like that,

1420
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: they don't. They still don't have that guy. We can

1421
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: fully admit that.

1422
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: I just hope, you know, is disappointing last year to

1423
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: see them come out in like my And this isn't

1424
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: anything against any of these players specifically but you know, Myers,

1425
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: Agalore and Parker all had like over an eighty five

1426
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: percent usage eight week one, and they didn't play Kendrick Bourne.

1427
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily necessarily saying they should have played

1428
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: George Humphrey, but it was those three that was And

1429
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: then too, when Thornton came back, they kind of pushed well,

1430
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: first Jakoby Myers has hurt, and then they kind of

1431
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: pushed Nelson Agiler out of a lineup and they still

1432
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: just it was just the same three receivers and they

1433
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: didn't rotate or mix and match at all, and that's

1434
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: always been a strength of what they do offensively. I

1435
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: really hope they get back to that because this group,

1436
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: to me, is built to play offense like that, where yeah,

1437
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: Juju is probably gonna be a ninety something percent usage guy.

1438
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: He should, He's not gonna come off the field after him.

1439
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: Everybody else, Parker Born, Shton, Henry Kasiki.

1440
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: It's situational.

1441
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: They need to be rotating all those and I'm not

1442
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: saying it's fifty to fifty for everybody, but they need

1443
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: to be rotating all those guys in and out a

1444
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: healthy amount.

1445
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a phone call and then we'll

1446
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: wrap it here, Jerry, what's up?

1447
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 3: What's going on for Let's tell y'all doing it well?

1448
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 3: All right? So I got a quick question, is there

1449
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 3: any way possible this season where we see what's his name? Gonzales,

1450
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 3: Jack Jones, and Isaiah Boulden on the field at the

1451
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 3: same time. And the reason why I ask is because

1452
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 3: based off them through the loan, that's a lot of

1453
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 3: speed in one section, so I feel like we'll be

1454
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: able to play a lot of man and man press.

1455
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: But just wanted to get your.

1456
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: Thoughts on that.

1457
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, Jerry, And that kind of segues us

1458
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: perfectly because I was gonna wrap it with the rookies,

1459
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: which is always whenever we get a chance to first

1460
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: see the rookies, it's always a good thing to watch.

1461
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bolden. I'm not sure I think Isaiah Bolden projecting

1462
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bolden. I don't know how you feel about this.

1463
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: Alex says anything more than a special team or at

1464
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: this stage I think is a little bit lofty, like, yes,

1465
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 2: he's fast. I yes, I've some of the film I

1466
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: have seen on him. His physicality at the line of

1467
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: scrimmage is decent. You know he can do some of

1468
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: those types of things. I just wouldn't get to I

1469
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 2: don't know. I can't. I can't get myself too excited

1470
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: about him on defense. I not yet. At least let's

1471
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 2: see what it looks like.

1472
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: So if we are going to have that conversation. Yeah,

1473
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, I said this when they

1474
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: drafted him. I wonder if he's a safety in the NFL.

1475
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: I just look at the way he processes the game. Yeah,

1476
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: and his straight I think he is better straight line

1477
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: speed than you know, change of direction ability. I think

1478
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: if they're gonna play him on defense, and I'm with you,

1479
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: like see him on special teams first and build up

1480
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: to that. But I if he's gonna play on defense,

1481
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: I want to see him at like true if they

1482
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: want to go single high, I'm not saying he put

1483
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: him out there against the Chiefs out of nowhere, but

1484
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: I'm curious to look start out with second team. What

1485
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: does he look like as a single high safety or

1486
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: even in too high. What does he look like playing

1487
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: free safety? Because if he is gonna play defense in

1488
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: the NFL, I think that's probably a better role for

1489
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: him than corner.

1490
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't disagree with you there.

1491
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: And I think he played some safety at Jackson State.

1492
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 2: They played a lot of zone, so you know, I

1493
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: think that some of his interceptions, like you could see

1494
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: some of that translating to safety, right, you know, like

1495
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 2: where he's kind of ball howking things like that. Wrapping

1496
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: it up here on the rookies. Look, I think everybody

1497
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 2: knows that I'm excited to see Christian Gonzales. Maybe just

1498
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I think the biggest thing with

1499
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez is I do feel like and we not

1500
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: gonna lie. We haven't had the best the best track

1501
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: record of this in our time covering the team because

1502
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: of the way that they've drafted, unfortunately, but I fully

1503
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 2: believe in the fact that you can see it almost

1504
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 2: right away when a guy is just different, like when

1505
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 2: we're we're not talking about you know, you're talking about

1506
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: movement skills. Yeah, and I'm not talking about like when

1507
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: when I say different, I don't mean like Taekwon, who

1508
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: we know on a track and burn anybody out there

1509
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: right Like you know, I'm talking about just is a freak,

1510
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: like just looks different, looks like looks the part looks

1511
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: The first round pick Worthy and I I'm hoping and

1512
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that that's exactly what we're going to see

1513
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: out of Christian Zalez, where he just looks like somebody

1514
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: that is different than the vast majority of the rest

1515
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: of the players out there. The other two guys, look,

1516
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: this is a passing camp. And even though we just

1517
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 2: talked about it earlier Trey Nixon being the star of

1518
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: the summer last year, Frankly, if Kishan Butte or do

1519
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 2: Mario Douglas has any chance of hitting the ceiling that

1520
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 2: I think both of us think that they have the

1521
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: potential to hit, we gotta start seeing it now like

1522
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: this is there's no contact, there's no there's no reason

1523
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: if you're a good receiver you should show out in

1524
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: these types of practices. So we're gonna I'm not trying

1525
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 2: to put too much pressure on them. I'm just saying,

1526
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: you know, if we're gonna see flashes from either one

1527
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: of those guys, it's gonna come in the spring. So oh,

1528
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 2: we'll see what those two guys look like as well.

1529
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: And I looked it up.

1530
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden only played thirty six snaps at free safety

1531
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: last year, compared to five hundred and ninety two is

1532
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: the slot corner, so would be new for him. But

1533
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: again I try. Yeah, I'm with you on the receivers.

1534
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: I think Kaishawn Butte is going to get as much

1535
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,440
Speaker 1: attention as maybe any player really outside of the quarterbacks

1536
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: in this in this spring session here really excited to

1537
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: see what he can do. I'm like back and forth,

1538
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: like tomorrow, Douglas is the kind of player that should

1539
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: tear up the spring But I feel like the role

1540
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: for him is going to be that gadget basically Marcus

1541
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: Jones role. Right, They're not gonna tip their hand on

1542
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: that till they have to. We're not gonna see that

1543
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: that's being done in the close practices. That's not being

1544
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: done when we're they're so yeah, I know how much

1545
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: we'll see him in like team drills, but one on

1546
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: ones I expect him to be electric.

1547
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's that's a fair assessment. I

1548
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: just think that either one of those guys, like I

1549
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: just said, it's a passing camp. This is not a

1550
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: full padded practice. If you can't get open in ot as,

1551
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: you are not going to get open in the real thing, right, Like,

1552
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: that's just the bottom line. You're just it's it's got

1553
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: to start somewhere, and for receivers it often starts in

1554
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: the spring. All right, anything else that I missed, I

1555
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: don't think so. I think that that about covers it.

1556
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, the trenches, the trail, like we'll

1557
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: see who's out there, we'll see who's at left tackle,

1558
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: who's at right tackle. Those will be notes, certainly, but

1559
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: you're not really going to grade them or like evaluate them.

1560
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 5: Right.

1561
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: I am excited to get the stopwatch out for Bryce.

1562
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: That was That was what I was gonna ask you about.

1563
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 2: How so it's all seriousness. Do you put any stock

1564
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: on whatsoever about what happens in the spring with the specialists?

1565
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 2: So this is I think the one because there's some

1566
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: pressure on these specialists. Now, yeah, this is actually Land.

1567
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean seriously, fourth round pick, Like that guy needs

1568
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: to pan out.

1569
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, actually, there's less pressure on him than Barringer because

1570
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: Ryland's making the team. He's a fourth ron pick.

1571
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: Well, I don't mean it like that, but like if

1572
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: this is another Justin rohor Wasser situation, then that that's fair.

1573
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 2: It's not about the pressure on Ryland. It's more about

1574
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: the pressure for the scouting department that Ryland is. Yeah,

1575
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: that's fair, that's fair.

1576
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: I think that's This is the one position where you

1577
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: can start to evaluate, especially like hopefully, well, I don't

1578
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: want to stand out and watch in the rain. But

1579
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: I remember twenty twenty one, we got that one day

1580
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: where it was like pouring rain at Otac, Remember that,

1581
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: and they kicked the ball the entire day.

1582
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the one spot where it is fever

1583
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: dream right there. You know you got a new holder,

1584
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: new kicker. Hours of kicking.

1585
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, new holder, new kicker. How are they working together? Yeah,

1586
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: you can you can start to evaluate this a little bit.

1587
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: I think Ryland's gonna beat out Folk. That's just he's

1588
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. Folk didn't finish the season well

1589
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: last year. Barrenger should beat out Weightman. But maybe there's

1590
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: more of a competition there.

1591
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because it's your But if you've cut a

1592
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 2: six round pick, it's not like unheard of to do

1593
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: something like that.

1594
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: He's also a guy that just I think you can

1595
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: get Corless weightman, or you can get Price Baron on

1596
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: the practice squad, and if Weightman's not the guy, you

1597
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: make the switch. However, many weeks in the season, whereas

1598
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: if you cut Chad Ryland, somebody's gonna pick him up.

1599
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much like snap holds kick

1600
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 2: we're gonna get in spring practices because sometimes they don't

1601
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: kick as much field goals like that, Well we'll see it.

1602
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: It'll just be off to the side, right, That's that.

1603
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: Like, look, I the Patriots need to have all their

1604
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 2: eyes dotted and all their tea's crossed this year, right

1605
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: like we can't have any botched holes. We can't have

1606
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: any snaps Canna that you know, Joe Kurdona is snapping

1607
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 2: has really ever been a huge issue. But you know

1608
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say, they got to be good

1609
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 2: on the margins. And that's a new battery, right like

1610
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: that that operation is new and this is getting into

1611
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 2: the barth of it all. But let's be honest, like

1612
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 2: it's a snapper holder kicker has been for the last

1613
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,799
Speaker 2: couple of years. The majority of it has been Joe Cardona,

1614
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: Jake Bailey, Nick Folk. Right now it's changed.

1615
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: So a really interesting thing will be and I normally

1616
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: do this, I might need to stop watch this year

1617
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: because what I want to do this year, I might enlist.

1618
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 2: You to help me with this X. I don't know

1619
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 2: if I had it, honestly.

1620
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: So the really interesting thing because they had too many

1621
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: blocked kicks last year. Yeah, I think what I probably

1622
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: should be timing, or I'll get you to time while

1623
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: I do the hangtimes is the operation time?

1624
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1625
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: What is the time from snap to kick, both on

1626
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: the punt in the field goal. Yeah, that's what I'm

1627
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: really gonna be watching because their operation times last year

1628
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: we're not good. And I never really went back and

1629
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: looked at it to the extent of like, who is

1630
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: this on? I mean, on the punts, it's usually pretty

1631
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: much on the punter, but field goals, it can be

1632
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: on the snapper, can be on the whole, or can

1633
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: even be on the kicker sometimes the combination. I'm gonna

1634
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: be interested to see what the operation times are because

1635
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: they need to be quicker this year so that weren't

1636
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: quick enough that year.

1637
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: That's why you listen to this show. If you if

1638
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 2: you listen to this show, and we thank all everybody

1639
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: that listens, but we I want to really think the

1640
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 2: die hards, because the diehards are listening an hour and

1641
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 2: twenty minutes in to hear Alex talk about operation.

1642
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, Evan, had you and you've covered this

1643
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: game a long time, have you ever heard the term

1644
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: operation time before before?

1645
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: And just now yeah, yeah from you like three years ago. Okay,

1646
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: now I know what it is. Uh yeah, So they're

1647
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 2: all big.

1648
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: So when I was in college and I covered the

1649
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: team in college, I was really good friends with the

1650
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: kicker on the team and three college football, yeah d

1651
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: three college. But but we were watching the national championship

1652
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: and I remember we sit down and watch the game.

1653
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: The team scores, and he pulls out his phone, like

1654
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: what are you doing? He goes, I want to see

1655
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: what their operation time is? That like natch this team

1656
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: that's like everybody knows Mount Union's like the d through Powerhouse, right, yeah,

1657
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: people know what that is. So he's like, you know

1658
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: they're Mount Union. I want to see what they are

1659
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: compared to us. And it was off by like they

1660
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: were slower than what his was by like two hundreds

1661
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: of a second. You would have thought he won the

1662
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: Heisman with how proud he was like, yeah, we got

1663
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: a better operation. This is huge, huge to those specialties, guys,

1664
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: big big.

1665
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: So I'm curious what it'll be all right, so, uh

1666
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: humor me for two more minutes. You're going to cover

1667
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: the Celtics tonight.

1668
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,839
Speaker 1: I am going to cover the Celtic so that's where Alex.

1669
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: Is headed, so you can check out his Celtics. We

1670
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: don't do Celtics coverage here, so I can I can

1671
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: plug your Celtics coverage and not you know, be stepping

1672
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 2: out on ninety five the sports sub dot com.

1673
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: It's also funny like I was ready assuming there was

1674
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: going to be an Ota practice today for people to

1675
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: be like really mad at us for not doing your show.

1676
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: I know if there had been both show would have

1677
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: been tomorrow.

1678
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: Marie Matt was a was a trooper about uh no

1679
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: pun intended about all the different time changes and trying

1680
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 2: to lock down a time But we didn't have to

1681
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 2: run into that issue my one minute on the Celtics

1682
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: because I you know me, I gotta talk some Celtics

1683
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 2: in the middle of May. My one minute on the

1684
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: Celtics is I am not allowing myself to be excited

1685
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 2: or hyped up or anything for this game tonight. It

1686
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: is not a series until they win tonight. If they

1687
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 2: win tonight, then evan Celtics footy pajamas is coming out right, Like, yeah,

1688
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 2: Green team or Evan is is out in full swing

1689
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 2: if they win tonight and then because then you start

1690
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: to believe, right, Like then then the believe creeps in.

1691
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 2: Then they'll crush me in Game six. But like that's

1692
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 2: when the belief kicks in. The one thing I really

1693
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: believe from a basketball standpoint now, not a Green Team

1694
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 2: or Evan Pom Pom standpoint, the Miami Heat. We've talked

1695
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 2: about this off the year. The Miami Heat, all playoff long,

1696
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 2: playoffs long have shot the three out of their minds

1697
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 2: like they were, Like I think they've been like forty

1698
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: six percent from three right in the playoffs. If they

1699
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: are finally and uh not having gave Vincent helps also

1700
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 2: because he's been one of the better knockdown shooters that

1701
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 2: they've had. Yeah, if they are finally regressing back to

1702
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: the mean, then the Celtics have hope. I am not

1703
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 2: giving the Celtics hope strictly off the fact that the

1704
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 2: Celtics are good enough to just blow doors in four

1705
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: straight games against Miami, right, They're gonna need some luck

1706
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 2: and the luck comes in with uh Strauss Duncan Robinson,

1707
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry, Kevin Love obviously, Caleb Martin starting to miss

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01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 2: right like that, that's light.

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01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: Well, so here's the big thing. Kyle Lowry has not

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01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: been good in this series.

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Speaker 2: Right, But that scares me for tonight because does Kyle

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01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 2: Lowry have because he's starting, does he have a throwback

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01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: like in the in his vault game to know that's.

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01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: Gonna be more than thirty two minutes twice in the

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01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: last three years in any game. So that's interesting.

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01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: So because that's their whole run right now, is Jimmy

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: and Bam like in the middle of the court does

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01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: drawing four eyeballs and then then they either scoring or

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01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: kicking it out to open shoes.

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01:21:58,120 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, is what the Celtics offense should be.

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01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: But that but that's been their offense, right especially around Jimmy.

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01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 2: If all of a sudden, Jimmy's kicking it out to

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01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: Duncan Robinson and he's air balling threes, then they're there.

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01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 2: There goes their offense, right, So that's the that's what

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01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: the Celtics need to happen. The Celtics need Miami's role

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01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: players to get cold.

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Speaker 4: Are we going here?

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Speaker 2: That's it? That's the sign all you told me, you

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01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: told me, I told you I had two minutes on

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01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: the Celtics. Two minutes, all right, but go cover the Celtics.

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01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 2: Go HAPPI with that, Alex and I will be back

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Speaker 2: next week. Ot a's are on Wednesday. We might do

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01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,560
Speaker 2: show Wednesday, might do it Thursday, but we'll definitely do

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Speaker 2: a OTA recap show. So don't you worry. You have

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Speaker 2: that right here on Patriots dot com Patriots Catch twenty two.

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