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Speaker 1: Happy Holidays, everybody. This is Chuck here with one of

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Speaker 1: our episodes for our Stuff you Should Know Well Days

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Speaker 1: of Christmas Toys playlist. We decided to put this together

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Speaker 1: that'd be a fun little holiday idea to kind of

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Speaker 1: gather up some of our toy centric episodes and release

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Speaker 1: them this December or all packaged uff. So here we

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Speaker 1: are with I think this is the first one, either

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Speaker 1: the first or the second one on the list, and

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Speaker 1: the episode title is what makes I must have Christmas

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Speaker 1: toy If you want to know, listen in and find out.

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Speaker 1: Happy Holidays, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of Iheartradios

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Speaker 2: How Stuff Works.

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Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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Speaker 3: there's Charles w Chuck, Brian over there, there's Jerry over there,

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Speaker 3: and this is Stuff.

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Speaker 1: You Should Know Early Christmas Edish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're kicking it off fairly.

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Speaker 1: Like the rest of the retail world, do you.

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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah? Man, this year you could find Halloween, Thanksgiving

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Speaker 3: and Christmas stuff in stores at the same time, like

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Speaker 3: it was just the most normal thing in the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you don't follow me on Twitter, and you should.

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Speaker 1: I'm not on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying. You should get on Twitter

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Speaker 3: to follow me.

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Speaker 1: No, thank you.

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Speaker 3: But at seven thirty in the morning on November one,

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Speaker 3: the day after Halloween, I tweeted Merry Christmas. I got

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Speaker 3: a lot of hate back for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you like Twitter?

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Speaker 1: Do you just poke people like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty much, just troll I gotcha. Yeah, well that

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Speaker 3: was my plug for Twitter. Oh yeah, yeah, here we go.

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Speaker 3: So let's see back in nineteen eighty three, Chuck, you

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Speaker 3: were twelve, okay, I was seven. You didn't have a

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Speaker 3: cabbage Patch kid, did you.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a story there if you really want to know.

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Speaker 3: I think you've told it before, but let's have it.

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Speaker 1: Well, we bought my sister one of the very first

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Speaker 1: little people is what they were called before they were

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Speaker 1: cabbage patch kids, right in Helen, Georgia, when they were

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Speaker 1: handmade by Xavier Roberts, who I recently learned stole that

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Speaker 1: idea from a woman and took it as his own

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Speaker 1: I mean I wanted to do maybe we'll do a

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Speaker 3: But we I mean We definitely talked about that, because

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Speaker 3: I think we have talked about like must have toys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we had she got this doll. Its name

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Speaker 3: That's so funny.

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Speaker 1: And it was a big deal. I think it was

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Speaker 3: Does she still have it?

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Speaker 1: Huh? Oh, that's great. And We'll finish with Cabbage Patch

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Speaker 3: So go ahead, Okay, I know what you're gonna take

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Speaker 3: issue with.

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Speaker 1: Oh I don't know if you do know, so let.

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Speaker 3: Me let me start, all right. So, back in nineteen

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Speaker 3: eighty three, Cabbage Patch Kids were like the must have

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Speaker 3: Now that's not to say there weren't extraordinarily popular toys

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Speaker 3: at around Christmas time before nineteen eighty three. Star Wars

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Speaker 1: One of the great great marketing gems of all time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was a thing all the way back

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Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty two. Mister potato Head was a hot

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it was. I don't think it

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Speaker 3: Well it was the first Well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm just speaking from my

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Speaker 1: So Kenner didn't have as many of these made in

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Speaker 1: that there was a big demand, a huge demand. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they sold like forty million of.

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Speaker 4: These, No, forty million boxes, I'm trying to yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: I don't know forty million Star Wars toys Okay at

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm not surprised to hear that.

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Speaker 1: And did you know that you can even buy these

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Speaker 1: I saw one listed for fifteen hundred bucks.

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Speaker 1: And then, just very quickly, I also want to point

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Speaker 1: that was in nineteen eighty two. Okay, that sold seven

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, great, the numbers don't lie. That's a big,

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Speaker 3: for that empty box of Star Wars, for that Atari

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Speaker 1: No, Well, I think human behaviors have changed over the years.

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Speaker 3: From nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guarantee you I could find one violent incident

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Speaker 3: I'll bet you couldn't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that's a big part of it too, right,

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Speaker 3: The cabbage Patch cabbage Patch kids if not worthy first,

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Speaker 1: Did you have one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Weberdino, you had a cabbage Patch kid. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I ended up taking his head off and giving him

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Speaker 1: But because and not to be not to be too

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Speaker 3: What I've always broken the mold, chuck.

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Speaker 1: Well, sure, no, there's nothing wrong with it. I grew

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Speaker 1: just don't know. I think it must have Christmas toy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as far as I knew, everybody wanted a cabbage

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Speaker 3: Like a cabbage Patch kid with a mohawk that you adopted. Yep,

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Speaker 3: so right, well, that was a big thing. Like there

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Speaker 3: ways that that was generated was by I think Kalco,

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Speaker 3: Ever since that very very first time in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It was great, especially the Battle Royale where you

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Speaker 1: So I did not take it well when my friends

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that was always a bummer. What about Tickle Meomo?

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Speaker 3: That was a big one, thanks to Rosie O'Donnell.

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Speaker 1: I was a little old for that. Oh really, that

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Speaker 3: I had one.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you were in high school.

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Speaker 3: Not really, yeah, this was nineteen ninety six. This is

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Speaker 3: I think it's just like here's the hot list according

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Speaker 3: to Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a bit about marketing in general around

444
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Speaker 1: the holidays that you know, it's a science in a way,

445
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: and they have found out through science that happy people

446
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Speaker 1: buy more. You are not everyone's happy around the holidays,

447
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Speaker 1: but they definitely as marketers, play on the idea that

448
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Speaker 1: you are happier around the holidays, and so you should

449
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Speaker 1: be in the buying spirit. Definitely. When you're talking about kids,

450
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Speaker 1: that is the case. They pummel children with ads. There

451
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Speaker 1: was one study here University of Hertfordshire counted one hundred

452
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Speaker 1: ads and a three hour Saturday morning kids slot Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Hundred one hundred and a three hour slot. That's a

454
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Speaker 3: lot of ads, it is. And then and of course,

455
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Speaker 3: you know, children are on more than one screen these days,

456
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Speaker 3: so they're also getting ads on you know, when they're

457
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Speaker 3: watching YouTube or whatever, or just on kids websites. There's

458
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: ads everywhere. I can't remember what episode we really kind

459
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Speaker 3: of dove into that advertising their children.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I think it was about advertising for children,

461
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Speaker 1: like must have been. That was the sole, you know goal.

462
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Speaker 3: So so the idea is that just the holiday season

463
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Speaker 3: itself puts most of us in a pretty good mood,

464
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Speaker 3: and advertisers say, oh well, if we release ads that

465
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Speaker 3: are holiday themed, we'll be able to kind of tap

466
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Speaker 3: into that goodwill and good mood and make you nostalgic

467
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Speaker 3: or feel good about things. And so by doing that,

468
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: we'll be able to kind of tie our brand or

469
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Speaker 3: our product to that holiday, that holiday sensation, and you'll say, oh,

470
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Speaker 3: I do want to go buy that because it makes

471
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Speaker 3: me think of being a kid at Christmas time. That's

472
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Speaker 3: really basic stuff. I mean, like that's everywhere. You can't

473
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Speaker 3: get away from that in the holiday season. And there's

474
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Speaker 3: not even necessarily anything wrong with it. It's just it's

475
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Speaker 3: just basic marketing and advertising one oh one when it

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Speaker 3: comes to holiday advertising.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other thing we mentioned earlier in terms

478
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Speaker 1: of marketing, and this is also marketing one on one

479
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Speaker 1: is about scarcity.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you have a toy that there is a limited

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Speaker 1: amount of, that is when you're going to find people

483
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Speaker 1: trampling each other to get there, because people are motivated

484
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Speaker 1: by fear. And if you know that a toy is

485
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Speaker 1: a must have and there aren't many of them and

486
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Speaker 1: they're going on sale at a certain time, it is

487
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Speaker 1: frightening what a parent, some parents might do to secure

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Speaker 1: that toy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so this is finally we've reached the key ingredient. Right,

490
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Speaker 3: You've got lists of toys that are promoted and advertised

491
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Speaker 3: and maybe even show up with their own articles in

492
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Speaker 3: the media. Then you have the fact that we're already

493
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Speaker 3: kind of primed to buy because it's the holiday season,

494
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: we're in a good mood. But when you add that

495
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: scarcity marketing, it ramps it up to a totally different level.

496
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Speaker 3: And when you have a must have toy that is

497
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Speaker 3: hard to find, like you said, people will do very crazy, violent,

498
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 3: mean stuff to get it. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: reasons why even if you're not willing to like throw

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Speaker 3: an elbow to get a toy, you might still be

501
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Speaker 3: willing to camp out at four am waiting for you know,

502
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Speaker 3: a twenty four hour retailer to restock their supply of

503
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Speaker 3: this so you can buy it. That's unusual behavior and

504
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 3: the reason why it all comes down to scarcity marketing

505
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 3: and the idea that we have a fear of missing out,

506
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Speaker 3: a fear of social embarrassment, a fear of our kids

507
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Speaker 3: not loving us as much as they could had we

508
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: gotten them this toy, and that all of these things,

509
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 3: the scarcity marketing is the real driver that kind of

510
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: hypercharges must have toy frenzy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not you know, just toys. You've seen

512
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Speaker 1: everything for You make a great point about Pappy van

513
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Speaker 1: Winkle whiskey.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I should say that's from marketing Land. A guy

515
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: named Jacob Bodsgar wrote an article on marketing Land where

516
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: he cited that, and the Disney Vault is really good examples.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Disney Vault, it's another great one. They were very

518
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Speaker 1: famous for not just saying like here's all the movies

519
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: we've ever made that you can buy on VHS, all

520
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: in one big package. They would release them every every

521
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Speaker 1: now and then, and you know you had a limited

522
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Speaker 1: time to get them. And I wasn't really hipped all this,

523
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: but my dad and his wife were way into the

524
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Speaker 1: Disney stuff, and you know they were adamant about making

525
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Speaker 1: sure they filled out the entire collection and really kept

526
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Speaker 1: up with when they were going to be released. And

527
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Speaker 1: what a big deal that was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a big one. And Bodsgard makes a

529
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Speaker 3: point like by making them limited and available also only

530
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Speaker 3: for a limited time, with years sometimes a decade in

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Speaker 3: between times when you can buy these things, it create

532
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: it's this like frenzy to go buy them. And it

533
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Speaker 3: also makes them like a treasured part of that person's home,

534
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can also fake out the public a

536
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: little bit and mislead them on the scarcity. You might

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Speaker 1: have a lot of the stuff and just kind of

538
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: lead the public to believe, like, now you better go

539
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: get one right now because they may not be around

540
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The people who made hatchimles spin Master. Hatche moles

542
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: were really hard to find in I think twenty sixteen,

543
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: seventeen and eighteen, and spin Master was basically accused of

544
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: purposefully using scarcity marketing. And for their part, they said, hey,

545
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: we were totally called off guard three years in a

546
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: row by the the you know, the popularity of hatche moles,

547
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: and other people were like, that's that's bs. You can

548
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: totally ramp up production pretty fast. Another must have toy

549
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: was fingerlings. Remember them from like last year the year before.

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00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: They were like little monkeys or sloths or dragons or

552
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: whatever that would hang on to your finger And they

553
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: were little finger sized robots that would like blink and

554
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: blow kisses and do all sorts of cute airf They weren't.

555
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 3: They were cute instead of uncanny because they went kind.

556
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: Of the words finger sized robots together, so.

557
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: Right, they would cut your throat while you slept. But

558
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: they were caught unaware. Even though they really tried it

559
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: hard to make them hit through social media, they were

560
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: still surprised when it actually happened. But they ramped up production.

561
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: They brought a third factory in China online. They went

562
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Speaker 3: from shipping via cargo boat to air transport to get

563
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Speaker 3: supplies here faster, and they were able to ramp up

564
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: and meet demand pretty quickly. So the idea that Hatchemll

565
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: just couldn't possibly do that really smelled to a lot

566
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Speaker 3: of people like they were purposefully using scarcity marketing.

567
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Scarcity, I mean it's an interesting concept because you

568
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: see it everywhere. You know, they have restaurants that you

569
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Speaker 1: know here in Atlanta, Homan and Finch had the Homan

570
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: and Finch perg or that like one day a week,

571
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Speaker 1: like we'll sell a hundred of them starting at ten

572
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: pm on this night and then everyone's like, oh my god,

573
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: what is in that burger?

574
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: People would line up to get the block. Yeah.

575
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Or this is a nice little tidbit here that you

576
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: dug up about supermarket experiments.

577
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's from an article from market Watch by Mark Elwood.

578
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, on that one, it's amazing. Even putting up a

579
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: sign for soup that says limit twelve per person will

580
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: make people be like, oh, I should I should probably

581
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: buy twelve of these, right for whatever reason, they might

582
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: stop making their chicken noodle soup.

583
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: Right or in this case, it was soup that was

584
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 3: on sale, so who knows what the price is going

585
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Speaker 3: to go back to.

586
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: You know, well, that's true.

587
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: So one of the other things that scarcity produces is

588
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: this idea that there are haves and have nots. Right,

589
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: So if the idea that you're fearful of missing out

590
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: or fearful of your kid not loving you isn't enough,

591
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: there's a whole other cognitive bias of being a have not,

592
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Speaker 3: of being left on the cold, which I guess is

593
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Speaker 3: a fear of missing out. But there's also the benefit

594
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Speaker 3: of being a have where if you're talking about like

595
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Speaker 3: a fingerling, which is a fifteen dollars toy, but people

596
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: were crazy for those things that either last year or

597
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: the year before, like just about anybody can afford this

598
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: fifteen dollars toy. So even if you're like a have

599
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: not throughout the year, you're down on your luck, maybe

600
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: you're unemployed or you're underemployed, things just aren't going your way.

601
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Speaker 3: You could still camp out and wait for that late

602
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: night restocking the fingerlings and get your kid that toy,

603
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Speaker 3: and for that time you are a have, and maybe

604
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: even somebody with a much higher social status than you

605
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: couldn't get that fingerling, which makes it all the more sweet.

606
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: And then let's also not forget. Like we said, this

607
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: is during the holiday season, so emotions like count extra

608
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: So to be a have when you're normally not during

609
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: the holiday season because you gotta must have toy is

610
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Speaker 3: exponentially increased.

611
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big deal because it's it. Even if

612
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: it's just emotionally equal for a brief period of time,

613
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: it can be a big deal for somebody. I say,

614
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: we take our final break here and then we come

615
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: back and talk about the worst people toy flippers right

616
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: after this. All right, so I set up the worst

617
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Speaker 1: people are toy flippers. Obviously there's a lot of really

618
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Speaker 1: really bad people in the world. And I'm being somewhat highperbolic,

619
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: but I do think somewhat the idea of buying, targeting

620
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: and buying a lot of must have toys to sell

621
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: later for profit on eBay makes you a pretty rotten person. Yeah,

622
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: go ahead and lay that judgment down.

623
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Speaker 3: Some people do. I reserve judgment for the ones who

624
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: do it professionally. I think if you are a person

625
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: who is just trying to augment your your own like

626
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: holiday expenses, and you are foreseeing a lack of supply

627
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 3: ahead of time, I say more power to you.

628
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not into it. I feel the same way

629
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: about ticket scalpers.

630
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly. I mean it's the same thing basically.

631
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's buying up a bunch of things sometimes

632
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: and this is completely gross and awful. Using bots, Yeah,

633
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: that's the pits too, especially for con tickets, like when

634
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: bots buy up all the best concert.

635
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: Tickets, especially our tickets.

636
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I.

637
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: Think anybody uses bots on ours?

638
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Well, probably not. But actually, stuff you should know is

639
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: we've seen very few bad examples of people trying to

640
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: overcharge for a sold out show. More times than not,

641
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: it's a fellow listener that's like, hey, just come along,

642
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: you can sit next to me for face value, or

643
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I'll even give it to you.

644
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that happens quite a bit. And yeah, I mean

645
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: there's only been a couple where somebody's like, you know,

646
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: a million dollars and of course they didn't sell it. No,

647
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: but yeah, we haven't run into that. Mostly the problem

648
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: is from ticket outlets just charging ridiculous fees on top

649
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: of our ticket price.

650
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: Well that makes us mad, and you all should know

651
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: we don't have control over that. No, we're the Eddie

652
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Vedder of podcasting.

653
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: Right.

654
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: But if you ever find yourself in a situation where

655
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: you got shut out of a stuff, you should know

656
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: show and your option is to not go or to

657
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: pay like a ridiculous amount, just send us an email

658
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: put you on the list.

659
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: Oh god, Chuck, Wow, you just opened some floodgates.

660
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's very few list spots, so it's not

661
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: like you.

662
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: Know, right now, you just started a must have toy

663
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: frenzy for the list. Look of what you've done.

664
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh, let's get back to bots. These bots are so

665
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: savvy that they can they can buy out, they can

666
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: have hundreds of credit card numbers on file because sometimes

667
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: they'll have like a limit to how many things you

668
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: can buy. They are all these shortcuts and ways to

669
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: bypass all of these safeguards put into effect, including captures.

670
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: They will hire foreign workers to sit around and type

671
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: in the captures to get through security.

672
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: Which I mean, if there is anything that says holiday

673
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: spirit more than that, I can't think of it.

674
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: But these bots can can sometimes buy out something in

675
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the second that it goes up online for a regular

676
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: human being to say, oh, all right, they've released the

677
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: tickets or the doll.

678
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: Gone, because they'll so what they'll do is they'll go

679
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 3: on to like retail websites and figure out what the

680
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 3: unique idea is for the product that they're looking for.

681
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: That's the real art.

682
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 3: It'll start right, it'll start monitoring that page because people

683
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: who build these pages will put them out and just

684
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: won't you know, kind of rely open the curtain for

685
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: hours ahead of time. So the bot will have the

686
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 3: page targeted and just keep refreshing it hundreds of times

687
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: a second until that sale goes live, and they will

688
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: have ordered scores of these things, or dozens or hundreds

689
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: whatever however many it can before you can even if

690
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: you're sitting there refreshing your browser, between the time it

691
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: takes to refresh your page, they will have wiped the

692
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: place out using these bots, and then if you're truly sophisticated,

693
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: you probably have another set of bots who take your

694
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: inventory and then put it up for sale at some

695
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: exorbitant price on Amazon or eBay or Craigslist or something

696
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: like that.

697
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the worst people.

698
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: So like, you don't even have to do anything, you

699
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 3: just stick your bots on it.

700
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I stand by it, even for the enterprising person

701
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: who I just I don't know. I don't have a

702
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: big problem with someone making money off of someone else's

703
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: misfortune to not have been able to get that themselves.

704
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes someone scrappy or enterprising at all.

705
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: Hey man, that's that's fine.

706
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll die on this hill.

707
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine. So if you are one of those

708
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: people that Chuck hates and you want to be enterprising,

709
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 3: there is an article written by Lisa Smith. It's Uninvestipedia

710
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: and it's called the Guide to reselling toys at Christmas

711
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: for extra money Oh God, which is very innocuous. Then

712
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: there's some tips actually that make a lot of sense.

713
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: If you want to do this, Do you want to

714
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: go over them? Are you going to remain mute? You

715
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: can go over them so you could talk to parents

716
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 3: if you wanted to write, Chuck, Yeah, that's right, Josh.

717
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: Good idea there, Because they know what kids want. You

718
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: could talk to kids them, which makes sense. I mean,

719
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: just go right to the horse's mouth. I've always said

720
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: the same thing, Josh. You can talk to Santa. I

721
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: thought this was pretty enterprising. Like imagine if you are

722
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: trying so what you're trying to do here is to

723
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 3: identify what toy you want to buy as early ahead

724
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: of time as possible, so that you can have identified

725
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: the hot season, the hot toy of the season, and

726
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 3: bought them before the demand really struck. So you talk

727
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: to mal Santa's, hang out in stores. You can talk

728
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: to cashiers, stock people, all that stuff, because not only

729
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: will they know what toy you need to look out for,

730
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: they'll know when these new supplies are coming in. Maybe

731
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: slip them a Starbucks card or something like that with

732
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: ten bucks on it as a thank you, but be

733
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: sure to deduct that from your bottom line.

734
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: Sure bribery. De duck that bribery, right.

735
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 3: And then you can actually hang out in chat rooms.

736
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: There's entire websites that are dedicated to this kind of

737
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: stuff that are you know that say like here's the

738
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: toys we're looking for. I spotted some at this you know,

739
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: Walmart or whatever. This this stock guy said that Walmart

740
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: replenishes home on Thursdays at ten. There's a lot of

741
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 3: stuff you can do if you really wanted to put

742
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: the leg work in.

743
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: Great or you could put all that energy into doing

744
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: something worthwhile.

745
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: Right, I know what you're talking about. This is the

746
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: like the Michael Larson approach to the holidays, the man

747
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: who got no whammies on pressure luck.

748
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I had no problem with him.

749
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: Okay, this is virtually the same thing. It's not it's somebody.

750
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: Gave Michael Larson, wasn't There wasn't some father who didn't

751
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: have much money that you know, overpaid for a doll

752
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: to make his little girl happy at Christmas time. Michael

753
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: Larson didn't do that.

754
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: Right, he would have, though, I'm sure of it.

755
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: Oh goodness.

756
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 3: So that's what you can do if you want to

757
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: flip toys and ruin the holidays. As far as Chuck's concern,

758
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: that's right, and that is that is a big part

759
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 3: of the competition of people who will go buy out stocks.

760
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: Like you're not really facing them nationwide unless you're talking

761
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: about people who release spots onto websites or whatever. But

762
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: they are out there and they do. They do actually

763
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: create competition and help drive that frenzy even further, because remember,

764
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: what's behind must have toys of scarcity marketing, and if

765
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: there are people out there actively contributing to the scarcity,

766
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: that's a big deal.

767
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: Here's what I want to hear from. I want to

768
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: hear from some women listeners who let's say you go

769
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 1: on a on a on a date from a dating

770
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: app and you sit down across from your date and

771
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: you're like, what do you do? And he goes, I'm

772
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: a toy flipper, and she's like, what's that? He goes.

773
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: You know, around Christmas time, I go out and I

774
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: buy like tons of toys that I know little kids

775
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: really really want, and then I mark them up so

776
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: I can make a lot of money off their parents

777
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: who may not be able to afford it. You're right,

778
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: and just tell me how that day goes from there.

779
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah? Can it? Does it have to be a man

780
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: and a woman? Can it just be anybody?

781
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: It can be anybody. But you know, I think the

782
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: guy that does this is the guy that I just

783
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: did that voice.

784
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: For, who's apparently from Jersey.

785
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: Sure, they're all from New Jersey. Okay, and I love

786
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: New Jersey.

787
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: So I feel like we've learned a lot here. Yeah,

788
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: we've talked about, you know, how a toy becomes a

789
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: must have toy of a season usually has to do

790
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: with some sort of some combination of advertising and buzz

791
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: marketing as long or as well as scarcity. The flippers

792
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 3: get involved, I think, and I want to back this up, Chuck,

793
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of stuff out there on this.

794
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: This all had to be brought together. This is kind

795
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 3: of one of those rare stuff you should know theses. Yeah,

796
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: about what makes a must have toy must have toy,

797
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: But I think it's I think it holds up.

798
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: Should we talk about some of the big toys of

799
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: this year?

800
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: Yes, So those lists that are out there, this hell me.

801
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: Actually we put a bunch of well that's the point.

802
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: That's we're trying to help you and all of the

803
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: toy flippers out there. So actually this is for all

804
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: the parents. This will help you get a drop on

805
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: the toy flippers because I guarantee there are very few

806
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: toy flippers listening to stuff you should.

807
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: Know now, Because we have good people in our audience.

808
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: So all those lists that are out there now, we

809
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: kind of compiled and cross referenced them. A number of

810
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: them lists from Target, Toys, Tots, Pets, and more. That's

811
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 3: just one Amazon, the Today Show, Toy Insider, the Spruce

812
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: Crazy Coupon Lady who had a post about toy flipping, Walmart,

813
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: and New York Magazine. All of those lists we looked

814
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: at and we found ones that appeared on at least

815
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: a couple if not more, And one of them, the

816
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: first one, appeared on basically every single list that we saw.

817
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one, the bloom doll. B lu me nothing

818
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: to do with the rested development, but it is this

819
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: is something that that my daughter might like. Apparently this

820
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: is another thing you add water to and it blooms.

821
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: But this is I don't think it hatches from an egg.

822
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: I think this doll just like grows like a chia

823
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: pet mite.

824
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 3: Kind of, and like the hair that grows is I

825
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: can't tell. It looks like some sort of foam or

826
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 3: styrofoam or something, but it takes different shapes like pineapples

827
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: or cakes or something like that. And there's I think

828
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 3: twenty two different versions.

829
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and thousand of them, I'll walk it up.

830
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. But they're also yeah, they're super affordable too, so

831
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: they're probably going to be the hot must have Christmas

832
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: toy of the year.

833
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: As bloom Dolls hatchamulves are still around.

834
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's one that's from How to Train Your

835
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: Dragon Toothless Dragon. Yeah, the Baby Dragon. They have a

836
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: hatchamble version of him.

837
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: What else Shirley Barbie's on the list.

838
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, Barbie has a dream plane whoa which I saw

839
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: in a couple of lists where yeah, it's a plane

840
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 3: for Barbie. There's like a snack cart and everything. Okay,

841
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: comes with the dog that I guess lives on the plane.

842
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: Great.

843
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: There's also Lol Surprise. Have you heard of that? No?

844
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: I hadn't heard of it either until we started researching this.

845
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: But they're like a whole brand, and a lot of these,

846
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: including bloom Dolls and Lol Surprise, they tap into like

847
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: this whole trend of unboxing. Do you remember when we

848
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: talked about unboxing on YouTube where like people open toys.

849
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because our good friend Joe Randazzo did his Lego

850
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: Man unboxing videos that were right still to me. One

851
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: of the funniest things I've ever seen.

852
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: Yes, great plug by the way, but they they still

853
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: do that, like they're still unboxing. It's a huge trend

854
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: and that's worked its way into toys so lol. Surprise

855
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: is kind of based on that, and there's like a

856
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: whole line of dolls but they're like into like DJ

857
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: stuff and fashion and all that, but they also have Surprise.

858
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: And there's also a kid named Ryan's World. I don't

859
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: think that's his last name, but that's his YouTube channel

860
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 3: and guarantee we talked about Ryan's World in that Unboxing

861
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: Toys episode. But he's got all sorts of toys that

862
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: are out where you like, you just don't know what

863
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: you're getting when you open the thing. It's just surprise unboxing.

864
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: Weird sub genre on YouTube of unboxing or I remember

865
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: we talked about the one where the lady's hands would

866
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: just play with things.

867
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the Yeah remember she was like Peppa Pie.

868
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting. I'll sell you the one on

869
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: the list though that I like that. I usually look

870
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: at the toys that I'm like, would I like to

871
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: play this with my daughter? That's important. I can't be

872
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: bored out of my mind you know.

873
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good point.

874
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: And this lego make your own movie kit looks pretty

875
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: cool to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was kind of heartened to see that on

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Speaker 3: on a couple of lists, you know, because it's like, this.

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Speaker 1: Is pop motion movies you can make.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's thoughtful, it's inventive. I love it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: where it's it's yeah, there's They have a bunch of

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Speaker 3: different stages and backgrounds and props, including a banana. It's great.

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Speaker 3: So you learn how to make Are you gonna get

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Speaker 3: get her?

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Speaker 1: That?

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Speaker 3: I think you should like a movie anytime, buddy. All right,

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Speaker 3: can we make a flaming hoop out of a coat

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Speaker 3: hanger and do things with that too?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Okay? And then the other one was the Fisher Price

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Speaker 3: Linco moles, which are super cute, including the smooth move sloth.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm down with Fisher Price.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so huge, huge right now? Yeah, do you

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Speaker 3: remember Playmobile?

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Speaker 1: Playmobile?

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Speaker 3: Remember that they were like the vaguely European kind of

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Speaker 3: action people, but there was nothing like violent or military

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Speaker 3: about them. They would explore or.

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Speaker 1: I probably recognize them. I definitely know that name.

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Speaker 3: You've seen it a million times right when you see

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Speaker 3: it y'all. I'll look it up and show it to

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Speaker 3: you later, but it's you'll see it and be like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: of course, wait right there, sure, yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was kind of a Fisher Price kid. But

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Speaker 1: you know we still have some of that stuff that

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Speaker 1: our daughter plays with that we had when we were kids,

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Speaker 1: like the barn and the boat, and you know, it holds.

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Speaker 3: Up, definitely does hold up. You got anything else?

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Speaker 1: Got nothing else?

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Speaker 3: You're gonna go buy a bunch of toys and flip them.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing else except for twenty thousand Hatchimles in

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Speaker 1: my garage.

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Speaker 3: Man. Here's the other thing, though, Chuck Like, you're taking

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Speaker 3: a risk because you got to predict what the must

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Speaker 3: have toys, and if you guess wrong, you got twenty

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Speaker 3: thousand hatchimles that nobody wants.

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Speaker 1: Boy, I'd love to see that happen in real life.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee it happened. So just keep an her out,

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Speaker 3: all right. If you want to know more about the

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Speaker 3: must have toys, there's basically nothing you can't know that

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Speaker 3: we haven't already told you. So just I guess go

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Speaker 3: get your kids some Christmas toys.

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Speaker 1: That's right?

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Speaker 3: Is that a good way to sign off.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Since I said, is this a good way to

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Speaker 3: sign off? Time for listener mail.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to call this from a teacher. We always

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Speaker 1: like to shout out our teachers and their students. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: just sending one of what I'm sure is among infinite

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Speaker 1: thank yous that you receive as a teacher who regularly

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Speaker 1: references knowledge I gain from listening to your show in

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Speaker 1: my class. My students, unwittingly and I are eternally grateful

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Speaker 1: for your work. They give a hearty laugh whenever I

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Speaker 1: steal your characters. Tuktook the wise proto Homo sapien and

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Speaker 1: erg the folly prone genetic defect to elucid eight points

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Speaker 1: about the evolution of early humans. I knew you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: mind my poaching. That's so if you think, John.

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Speaker 3: You'll be hearing from our lawyers.

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Speaker 1: John, you're the toy flipper of teachers. Just kidding. The

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Speaker 1: reason I'm writing is to say I think you should

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Speaker 1: not be discouraged by any listener mail you receive telling

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Speaker 1: you to keep your opinions to yourself. My favorite episodes

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Speaker 1: are the ones where either or both of you have

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Speaker 1: such strong feelings about the subject that you can't help

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Speaker 1: but go on a rant. Maybe it's just because I

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Speaker 1: agree with every rant, but I feel like it is

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Speaker 1: important to take a stand on issues that matter to

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Speaker 1: you and admit that you're human beings with a real

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Speaker 1: stake in the game. Thanks again, I'll keep listening as

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Speaker 1: long as you keep podcasting. That is from John Lubushkin.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, mister Lubushkin, and hello to your students

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Speaker 1: mister Lubushkin's class. Yeah, hi, guys, you've got a cool teacher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he does some pretty cool He's doing God's work,

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Speaker 3: teaching the next generation.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't work in a public school because

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Speaker 3: you're going to be like, you can't say God's work.

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Speaker 3: If you want to get in touch with this like

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Speaker 3: mister Lubushkin did, or if you're a toy flipper who

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Speaker 3: has an argument against Chuck's argument, we want to hear

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