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Speaker 2: I'm not Robert Evans. I'm not going to start this
Speaker 2: episode with a horrible noise. Welcome to it could happen
Speaker 2: to hear a show about things falling apart with me today,
Speaker 2: Mio Wong, James Stout, I'm Garrison Davis.
Speaker 3: We have never as a society been this Year's of
Speaker 3: lead paint as we are now.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 2: Speaking of things falling apart. The lead paint in my
Speaker 2: room is crumbling. It's probably great things to my brain. Wonderful,
Speaker 2: love this, love this so okay.
Speaker 3: Most a lot of this episode is going to be
Speaker 3: about the Charlie Kirk assassination and everyone's reaction to it
Speaker 3: and everyone's sort of losing their minds. But I think
Speaker 3: that the place that we want to start is with
Speaker 3: a little bit about the concept of the years of
Speaker 3: Lead Paint, which was developed by friend of the show,
Speaker 3: Vicky astro Wall, to explain something I feel like almost
Speaker 3: i've once forgotten about, which was right after Trump got elected,
Speaker 3: there was that car bomb outside of a Trump hotel
Speaker 3: that was like a tesla that was a right winger
Speaker 3: who was trying to get everyone to like do the Purge, Yeah.
Speaker 5: The cyber Trek, former Green Beret guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is the kind of thing that you
Speaker 3: would have seen during the original years of Lead.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So for people who don't know what the original years
Speaker 3: of Lead was, because this is becoming a thing that
Speaker 3: people are using to understand what's going on now, and
Speaker 3: I think there are problems with that that we'll get to.
Speaker 3: But the original years of Lead are this period from
Speaker 3: I mean that there's you know, you can you can
Speaker 3: start in a couple different places, but like roughly sort
Speaker 3: of like the sixties through the eighties, like early mid
Speaker 3: eighties in Italy that are this period of really really
Speaker 3: intensifies in the seventies is really really intense period of
Speaker 3: political violence in Italy. It is largely a right wing
Speaker 3: reaction to this massive series of uprisings in Italy. I mean,
Speaker 3: the whole the whole sixties in Italy are a time
Speaker 3: of incredible sort of turmoil and left wing uprising. There's
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's first factory occupations are like
Speaker 3: sixty five, but there's the fact there's the massive factory
Speaker 3: occupations in nineteen sixty eight, which are sort of a
Speaker 3: global phenomena. But then also the next year, there is
Speaker 3: an Evans called and this is literally the term for it,
Speaker 3: the Hot Autumn of sixty nine, which.
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna really a.
Speaker 3: Nice great yeah, which which was this massive like a
Speaker 3: second series of like you know, workers taking over factories
Speaker 3: and starting like factory councils, and like, there are so
Speaker 3: many communist factions that, like the communist faction that's doing
Speaker 3: this stuff, they have mutated to a point where they're
Speaker 3: almost effectively anarchists. So this is what's called the autonomists.
Speaker 3: And this has becomes like a major influence on like
Speaker 3: American anarchism later and in response to the fact that
Speaker 3: these people very nearly on multiple occasions, like very nearly,
Speaker 3: take Italy, a combination of rut wing fascist groups and
Speaker 3: organizations inside of and sort of parallel to the Italian
Speaker 3: government developed this thing called the strategy of Tension, which
Speaker 3: and I think this will to some extent sound familiar
Speaker 3: in terms of what's what's happening right now, which is
Speaker 3: this strategy of using terrorist attacks and using political violence
Speaker 3: to show this like fear and panic and chaos that
Speaker 3: would cause people to turn to the state for safety
Speaker 3: and cause people to turn specifically to like a stronger,
Speaker 3: like more fascist and then eventually just a straight up
Speaker 3: fascist state that would permanently destroy the left and you know,
Speaker 3: like restore the power of the Nazis, et cetera, et cetera. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean that's us selling these people Italian fascists, the
Speaker 3: og fascists, well, and also neo fascists too, because they're
Speaker 3: these people are very weird Italians.
Speaker 5: Yeah, these people are Italians.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he said, Kisses. One of the big opening
Speaker 3: things is that the Piazza Fontana bombing, which is this
Speaker 3: massive bombing that kills nineteen people injures an unbelievable number
Speaker 3: of people, and it is immediately blamed on anarchists. There's
Speaker 3: an anarchist named Giseppe Pinelli who he's among like eighty
Speaker 3: anarchists who arrested. Almost immediately, he like somehow falls out
Speaker 3: of a four story window of a police building while
Speaker 3: he was being interrogated.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Italian state, which will go on to admit a
Speaker 3: lot of the shit that it did, maintains to this
Speaker 3: day that he just got tired and fell out the
Speaker 3: window himself. I'm gonna let you try your artus.
Speaker 5: I think this guy died.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of a lot of anarchists are lazy.
Speaker 2: I can see, I can see it happening.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is a good play that I took part
Speaker 5: in during high school called Accidental Death of an Anarchist
Speaker 5: by Dario Foe. Yeah, which you can enjoy.
Speaker 2: This is the most like James backstory moment ever seen before.
Speaker 2: This is wild. Yeah, WHOA someone, someone update the icy
Speaker 2: HH wiki page James backstory. This is great. Yeah.
Speaker 5: In my theater era, who did you play? I can't remember?
Speaker 5: It was tragic twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: You should you should have remembered.
Speaker 5: Oh, I know. It was very fun. We had a
Speaker 5: good soundtrack. It was very enjoyable for me and my friends,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure all eight people who watched it also
Speaker 5: had a wonderful time.
Speaker 3: So in less fun times, So this bombing was actually
Speaker 3: carried out by a group called Ordine Nouvo, which is
Speaker 3: it's literally new order fascist groups only have four names.
Speaker 3: And this is a group that was aided by a
Speaker 3: combination of Italian intelligence and this thing called Gladio, which
Speaker 3: was this American netwill sort of stayed behind networking case
Speaker 3: with Soviet invasion that had all of these weapons, cashes,
Speaker 3: placed around the country that's eventually sort of repurposed into
Speaker 3: these fascist terror cells. And they do a lot of these, right,
Speaker 3: They do a lot of bombings and they and they
Speaker 3: mostly blamed the left for them. Probably the most famous
Speaker 3: one is the Bologna train bombing, which killed like eighty
Speaker 3: people injured a huge number of other people, was done
Speaker 3: by a kind of like like another fascist group.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: This is also a period where like there is real
Speaker 3: left wing violence. Right, the left is doing like like well,
Speaker 3: one of the things they kidnap bosses and have like
Speaker 3: show trials of bosses all the time. They love doing
Speaker 3: this factory bosses.
Speaker 2: Just like in the Dark Knight Rises by Marxist historian
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 3: God. I see, I thought you were gonna say, just
Speaker 3: like cancel culture.
Speaker 2: But just like just like what the right's doing right
Speaker 2: now for anyone who posts about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: But but there was also stuff like like for example,
Speaker 3: Lota Continua, which is a leftist group of staggering complexity,
Speaker 3: I like killed the police officer who was interrogating Guiseppe Pinelli.
Speaker 3: So you know, like there are left wing assassinations. A
Speaker 3: group called the Red Brigades kidnaps the former Prime Minister
Speaker 3: of Italy, Aldo Moro. See every other episode where I've
Speaker 3: yelled about this. They had been heavily infiltrated and were
Speaker 3: sort of being manipulated by a number of intelligence organizations
Speaker 3: that if I started listening to them right now, you
Speaker 3: would think I was insane.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the important thing about this period, right, and this
Speaker 3: eventually works, it does destroy the left. But the important
Speaker 3: thing about the structure of this in the actual years
Speaker 3: of lead, is that these are concrete groups, right. They
Speaker 3: are shifting, they are flowing, people move between them.
Speaker 2: But actual organized factions anya a legitimate armed struggle.
Speaker 5: I mean, the Red Brigade are literally organized in a
Speaker 5: military fashion, right, with like units and command structure.
Speaker 3: But this is also true of like this is also
Speaker 3: true of the fascists, right, yeah, and it's also true
Speaker 3: of group I mean, you know, like obviously like autonomia
Speaker 3: and the sort of like anarchistic communist factions are looser,
Speaker 3: but like they're still they still are like organized, and
Speaker 3: they're rooted in a whole bunch of different kinds of struggles.
Speaker 3: And the strategy of tension is being deliberately managed by
Speaker 3: by Italian intelligence and by American intelligence and by a
Speaker 3: bunch of other sort of like state groups. And this
Speaker 3: is not at all what we're dealing with right now,
Speaker 3: not even cla. Yeah, the Charlie Kirk assassination is neither
Speaker 3: a guy who was part of like some Marxist group,
Speaker 3: nor was it a guy who's like a CIA agent
Speaker 3: or something, right.
Speaker 5: Like just a guy. It's a guy who got.
Speaker 2: Reddit gamer and discord political violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are these are these, These are decentralized acts
Speaker 3: being fueled by sort of radicalization. But they're not like
Speaker 3: active intelligence operations.
Speaker 2: I mean some of them aren't even fueled by radical
Speaker 2: Like even even the word radicalization here is sometimes in miscount.
Speaker 2: This one in particular is like not that really a degree.
Speaker 2: It seems like a degree of like personal motivation based
Speaker 2: on his relationship with his roommate as well as this
Speaker 2: general like gen Z sort of nihilism that allows you
Speaker 2: to do a pretty wild act like this, I think
Speaker 2: specifically in this case, you know, it's like existential violence
Speaker 2: manifesting an incredibly political action from someone who otherwise isn't
Speaker 2: like overtly political. This guy's not a leftist. It's definitely
Speaker 2: not a groeper as I've been trying to argue for
Speaker 2: days now. Yeah, but I mean what he did certainly
Speaker 2: is is political, even though he's not you know, card carrying,
Speaker 2: you know, communist or you know, an anti imperialist, like
Speaker 2: the guy who assassinated the tow israel embassy staffers was right,
Speaker 2: which is kind of the only arguably like left wing
Speaker 2: assassin we've like seen in the past, i don't know,
Speaker 2: ten years in the United States, is the guy who
Speaker 2: killed the two Israeli embassy staffers. Every other assassin or attended
Speaker 2: assassin would not accurately be described as like left wing
Speaker 2: in orientation, including someone like Luigi Mangioni, who is very
Speaker 2: much which basically a teapot gray tribe libertarian.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's also worth noting that like from the
Speaker 3: state end, these like this is not something that was
Speaker 3: like deliberately unleashed by the state, except in the sense
Speaker 3: of like.
Speaker 2: Well some people would argue otherwise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but right there, if that's the issue, you know,
Speaker 3: like if like the last time we saw something that
Speaker 3: you could argue even sort of look like that is
Speaker 3: like there is genuinely something kind of suspicious about the
Speaker 3: way that a whole bunch of the most famous Black
Speaker 3: Lives Matter activists who weren't the ones in the NGO
Speaker 3: suddenly turned up dead. That's the closest thing, right, And
Speaker 3: that's not even a like, we know they did this,
Speaker 3: that's a like and that was and that was over
Speaker 3: a decade ago. Yeah, right, that this is this is
Speaker 3: a long time ago. And you know, and and I
Speaker 3: would argue it's important in that it's part of the
Speaker 3: same series of uprisings that like all of this fascist
Speaker 3: stuff is a response to right and sense, it's a
Speaker 3: response to Ferguson, it's response to twenty twenty. But like
Speaker 3: that structure, which is the structure that a lot of
Speaker 3: people are using to end is this of just purely
Speaker 3: in American years of lead doesn't really work because we're
Speaker 3: dealing with something way weirder, yeah, and way less concrete.
Speaker 2: Which is why we're calling it something else, the years
Speaker 2: of lead paint, because these people are just like because
Speaker 2: it is not the result of this large scale like
Speaker 2: deep state orchestration, nor these legitimate organized fashions. Everyone is
Speaker 2: simply brain rotted.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: To contrast, right in the twentieth century that the prevailing
Speaker 5: concept of how the left would change the world was
Speaker 5: through the violent capture of state institutions or in the
Speaker 5: case of the anarchists, I guess less so that you know,
Speaker 5: if we look at like this communist ideal of revolution.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how's that anarchist revolution going, buddy?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, these guys are thirty years after the
Speaker 5: Spanish Revolution, right, Like it's some of them have seen
Speaker 5: anarchists hold whole cities and hold off the country's army.
Speaker 5: It's not out of the out of the realm of
Speaker 5: possibility for them. That concept of revolution. I mean, it
Speaker 5: does exist. It exists with people with like anime Twitter
Speaker 5: abbatars still, but like, for the most part, that concept
Speaker 5: of revolution is not that relevant in twenty first century
Speaker 5: leftist political organizing and so like it cannot be the
Speaker 5: same because the nature of the thing, that's the struggle,
Speaker 5: it's not the same on the left.
Speaker 2: There isn't even illegitimate left in the United States, like
Speaker 2: in any meaningful sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that there exists, Like I guess it's like,
Speaker 5: I don't want to call it incoherent, but like a
Speaker 5: lot of the left exists. The people going hardest on
Speaker 5: the left are going hardest on the internet. I guess
Speaker 5: this is what I want to say, And like this
Speaker 5: is nothing like post sixty eight Italy.
Speaker 2: We've seen a nice, nice like resurgence stuff like union
Speaker 2: organizing and that's like the most realistic manifestation of the left, but.
Speaker 5: And mutual aid organizing.
Speaker 3: And I will also say we did have the So
Speaker 3: this band from twenty eleven to twenty twenty was like
Speaker 3: a really massive period of like really large scale street
Speaker 3: movement in a way that really terrified these people, Like
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen s petificlarly Ferguson and twenty twenty like really
Speaker 3: truly rattled the psychology of all of the people who
Speaker 3: who are like currently running this country in that it
Speaker 3: demonstrated that like, oh damn, there could be a world.
Speaker 3: We're like, we're not automatically the superior race and we're
Speaker 3: not like treated like that because it's betting bullshit and
Speaker 3: people were willing to fight for that. But also like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: like we don't have the kind of like organization or
Speaker 3: logistical capacity that like any of these things had, and
Speaker 3: it's not clear to me that you like you won't
Speaker 3: yet things that look like that anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like as much as like the right wing YouTube
Speaker 5: podcast Fear wants to make it the case. First of all,
Speaker 5: there is not like an organized revolutionary left in the US,
Speaker 5: not a serious one. And secondly, the organized revolutionary left
Speaker 5: that existed in twentieth century relied on a network that
Speaker 5: was international and that sometimes and not always had its
Speaker 5: roots in Soviet I guess foreign policy right. That also
Speaker 5: does not like as much as a YouTube world wished
Speaker 5: to be the case. China is not sending people little
Speaker 5: yellow hard hats to go out in Portland and get
Speaker 5: mad at the Feds being there. That is not the case.
Speaker 5: Here's an advert for hard hats, which you have to
Speaker 5: buy in your own because China is not sending them
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 2: We're back talking lead paint. Speaking of lead paint, and
Speaker 2: in some ways the conspiratory real elements of the years
Speaker 2: have led there is no shortage of conspiratorial thought permeating
Speaker 2: across the entire spectrum of American politics in ways that
Speaker 2: I've never really seen at this scale before, which isn't
Speaker 2: saying much, because you know, I'm not, however old James is.
Speaker 4: But I have been.
Speaker 2: Gris wo fuck me, but I have been. Monitor industry
Speaker 2: was politics for a decent section of time, mainly the
Speaker 2: past like seven years, the past like five or so years.
Speaker 5: Professionally, We're gonna have to watch another video because of
Speaker 5: this whole second of the scarison. I have you known.
Speaker 2: I'm actually multiple months later for my workplace harassment training.
Speaker 5: I can see why.
Speaker 2: My god, but it's it's it's it's pretty bad. Just
Speaker 2: the the total rejection of reality and the separation of
Speaker 2: truth and reality as as coherent concepts. And we've seen
Speaker 2: this and some of people's responses across the political spectrum
Speaker 2: to the release of alleged text messages between the alleged
Speaker 2: shooter of Charlie Kirk and their roommate, which was released
Speaker 2: in the indictment that dropped on Monday, which shows the
Speaker 2: it lled shooter explaining to their roommate what they did
Speaker 2: and like how they did it and in part why
Speaker 2: we'll talk more about this in Executive Disorder. These actual
Speaker 2: messages and like what they contain, but people's reaction to them,
Speaker 2: both on the left and right, have been pretty wild.
Speaker 2: Matt Walsh is arguing that these messages were scripted between
Speaker 2: the roommate and the shooter as a way to absolve
Speaker 2: the transgender roommate, referring to this strategy as being influenced
Speaker 2: by Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad is a television show, an
Speaker 2: American television show released around two thousand and eight. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to explain Breaking.
Speaker 5: Bad garretson do you remember that?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you.
Speaker 2: Were like Matt Walsh's Matt Walsh is comparing this to
Speaker 2: to something that Walter White did during during Breaking Bad,
Speaker 2: saying that this feels like a strategy that these two
Speaker 2: people cooked up by watching too much TV, which in
Speaker 2: fact just shows that it is Matt Walsh who watches
Speaker 2: too much TV by the fact that this is the
Speaker 2: first thing he thinks of. But it's not just Walsh. Communists,
Speaker 2: anti imperialists, people on the left are spreading a completely
Speaker 2: unfounded assertion that this text exchange between the roommate and
Speaker 2: the alleged shooter was quote unquote obviously written by an
Speaker 2: FBI agent. Posts like this are receiving tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of likes cross platforms. Yeah, it's such a misunderstanding of
Speaker 2: how state craft works and how like the legal system
Speaker 2: works that people communists really think that this state of
Speaker 2: Utah could could orchestrate and convincingly, convincingly orchestra completely faked
Speaker 2: text exchanges like that's just simply not how our legal
Speaker 2: system works, and you have people like Hassan spreading this
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Yeah. Quote, half of the right thinks
Speaker 2: the messages are fake because it doesn't implicate the transperson.
Speaker 2: The other half thinks the shooter is a patsy because
Speaker 2: it was Israel that killed Charlie Kirk. I will say
Speaker 2: the text messages are too perfectly plugging holes for the
Speaker 2: investigators unnatural, like come on, come on, come on, guys.
Speaker 2: This is like I don't even know what to like
Speaker 2: argue with with, Like there's no way to argue against
Speaker 2: people who believe in this in any kind of real way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Like how do you someone who has rejected facts, Like,
Speaker 5: how do you bring them back?
Speaker 2: They have to argue in court that the led shooter
Speaker 2: actually did the shooting, right, That's what they're trying to establish. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the evidence that will be agreed upon as
Speaker 2: as evidence. To introduce the text messages in court, the
Speaker 2: DA will have to prove their authenticity through chain of
Speaker 2: custody and metadata. The reason why they were released now
Speaker 2: is because they were included in the indictment laying out
Speaker 2: the charges against Tyler Robinson. Robinson might use some odd words,
Speaker 2: but he was raised Mormon, and all of this just
Speaker 2: tracks at a face level to me. He's explaining his
Speaker 2: actions to the person that he loves and instructs them
Speaker 2: to delete the messages. He doesn't think that these are
Speaker 2: going to come back to hurt him. And this isn't
Speaker 2: just Betel's FBI saying this. This is the work of
Speaker 2: local police and State of Utah police in the State
Speaker 2: of Utah court. And this rejection of evidence, not what
Speaker 2: the evidence argues, just the base evidence itself. Follows a
Speaker 2: week of debate regarding this shooter's political orientation, which me
Speaker 2: and Robert already discussed in an episode earlier this week.
Speaker 2: And I understand people's intensity around this issue, especially framing
Speaker 2: it in this years of led concept right of the
Speaker 2: right using this to majorly crack down on trans people
Speaker 2: and on the left, which yeah, they're been to tried
Speaker 2: to do. But trying to argue at this point that
Speaker 2: he's a groyper is just so faulty, And trying to
Speaker 2: argue that these text messages are faked somehow, similarly, is
Speaker 2: just so faulty and is so detached from how this
Speaker 2: situation actually happened and how it fits in to the
Speaker 2: current dynamic of political violence in the United States. On
Speaker 2: that topic, a few days ago, Fox News is the
Speaker 2: Five was debating if they needed more information to definitively
Speaker 2: say that the shooter was on quote unquote the left.
Speaker 2: Greg Gutfield went on about how high profile liberal and
Speaker 2: left wing figures aren't being assassinated by people on the
Speaker 2: right and wrote off the murder of Minnesota House Speaker
Speaker 2: Melissa Hartman and her husband.
Speaker 9: We don't need more information, really, yes, we don't need it.
Speaker 9: What is interesting here is why is only this happening
Speaker 9: on the left and not the right.
Speaker 5: That's all we need to know about that.
Speaker 3: There was absolutely no call you want.
Speaker 9: To talk about Melissa Oorsman. Did you know her name
Speaker 9: before it happened? None of us did. None of us
Speaker 9: were spending every single day talking about missus Hortman.
Speaker 4: I never heard of her until after she died.
Speaker 9: Matter, And don't play that bullshit with me.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm talking.
Speaker 9: What I'm saying is there was no demonization amplification about
Speaker 9: that woman before she died. It was a specific crime
Speaker 9: against her by somebody who knew her. The same thing
Speaker 9: you can bring up Josha Piro, but then you will
Speaker 9: not bring up, for example, that that.
Speaker 4: Was a pro Palestine person. So don't use your what
Speaker 4: about this. The fact, the fact of the.
Speaker 9: Matter is the both sides argument not only doesn't fly,
Speaker 9: we don't care.
Speaker 4: We don't care.
Speaker 9: About your both sides argument that shit is dead. For
Speaker 9: one thing, there is no cognitive dissonance on our side.
Speaker 9: On your side, your beliefs do not match reality. So
Speaker 9: you're coming up with these rationalizations like.
Speaker 4: What about this or what about that?
Speaker 9: We're not doing that because we saw it happen. We
Speaker 9: saw a young bright man assassinated.
Speaker 4: And we know who did it.
Speaker 2: So if you look at like left wing violence or
Speaker 2: violence targeting right wing figures, even just like the past
Speaker 2: two years, right, there's the two attempted Trump assassinations, which
Speaker 2: the right frames as left wing violence. Though the first
Speaker 2: Trump shooter did not have left wing politics. They had
Speaker 2: more of the psychological profile of a school shooter who
Speaker 2: was looking to do something to get into history books
Speaker 2: and came from a conservative upbringing. This person was on
Speaker 2: a leftist right. But this is still targeting a right
Speaker 2: wing figure, so it's framed in this same conversation the
Speaker 2: United Healthcare assassination. Similarly, right, this wasn't a left wing
Speaker 2: person who did this, but targeting a CEO on a
Speaker 2: healthcare topic associates it with the left or with progressive
Speaker 2: stances around healthcare. There's the arson against Jos Shapiro's home.
Speaker 2: The guy who did this had a mixture of like
Speaker 2: approach Trump background, but with pro Palestine motivations. The most
Speaker 2: clear example would be the murder of two Israeli Emacy
Speaker 2: staffers and now the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5: With the healthcare stuff, like, we should probably point out
Speaker 5: that Trump also ran on like medicine is too expensive, right,
Speaker 5: it would cost too much to get the pills you
Speaker 5: need to stay alive. Like that has been a cornerstone
Speaker 5: of his platform too. It can be framed as like
Speaker 5: a populist sentiment of populist stunce, yeah, yeah, not necessarily
Speaker 5: a leftist one.
Speaker 2: So that's the political background that these people on the
Speaker 2: right are coming from, right, Like, that's how they see
Speaker 2: see this. That that's like this spike and loft being
Speaker 2: violence that they're seeing refers to this collection of acts. Now.
Speaker 2: For Media has reported that a few days after Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk's assassination. The Department of Justice removed from their website
Speaker 2: a National Institute of Justice research study showing a white
Speaker 2: supremacist and far right violence far outweighs any other type
Speaker 2: of terrorism or domestic violent extremism. Quote. Since nineteen ninety,
Speaker 2: far right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides
Speaker 2: than far left or radical Islamist extremists, including two hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty seven events that took more than five hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty lives. In the same period, far left extremists
Speaker 2: committed forty two ideologically motivated attacks that took seventy eight lives.
Speaker 2: So this study has been scrubbed from the website to
Speaker 2: follow in line with Trump and the right's general talking
Speaker 2: points about this spike in left wing violence. I think
Speaker 2: in part, the right would view explicit white supremacist, neo
Speaker 2: Nazi linked violence as like separate from like, you know,
Speaker 2: conservative even some like far right violence. They don't understand
Speaker 2: the linkage from you know, explicit white supremacist mass shootings
Speaker 2: and you know, make America great again. Right, That's something
Speaker 2: that they would like reject as a legitimate coupling.
Speaker 5: In Congress today cashpitel that claimed to have no idea
Speaker 5: who did? Then Rufe was correct and like what he
Speaker 5: was about.
Speaker 2: A lot of them just aren't aware of this stuff.
Speaker 2: And it's not just this National Institute Justice study. These
Speaker 2: findings are incredibly consistent across multiple studies. The notably not
Speaker 2: left wing Cato Institute found very similar results in their
Speaker 2: analysis of six hundred and twenty politically motivated murders since
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five, excluding nine to eleven, most political violence
Speaker 2: comes from the right. They counted three hundred ninety one
Speaker 2: murders from the right and sixty five from the left.
Speaker 2: Can link that below to get a better look at
Speaker 2: their actual methodology and what they count as right wing
Speaker 2: what they count as left wing violence. But these stats
Speaker 2: simply don't matter to the right. In a lot of cases,
Speaker 2: many average rightists will just reject these results altogether, say
Speaker 2: that the study is faked or had faulty methodology, But
Speaker 2: others might frame it as even if this data is true,
Speaker 2: it doesn't match the current trend of escalating left wing violence,
Speaker 2: specifically targeted left wing violence, not just mass shootings. Here's
Speaker 2: another clip from Fox's The Five.
Speaker 9: I Understand why people are saying what about this?
Speaker 4: And what about this?
Speaker 9: Because if you have to face the underlying fact to this,
Speaker 9: your life is going to fall apart because you're going
Speaker 9: to realize you're not the good guys. If you sat
Speaker 9: around and you defended the mutilation of children, you're not
Speaker 9: the good guys.
Speaker 4: If you sat six hundred seven.
Speaker 9: Hundred cases of harassment against Republicans and you said, but
Speaker 9: what about this?
Speaker 4: What about this?
Speaker 9: And then you see this murder after calling somebody a
Speaker 9: fashion you fascist, you realize maybe I'm not the good guy.
Speaker 9: That is a hell of a realization to deal with.
Speaker 9: So therefore, therefore you have to grasp at rationalizations.
Speaker 4: You don't have to do that, Jessica. They do. I
Speaker 4: don't believe you're part of that group.
Speaker 9: But why the hell do you have to mimic an
Speaker 9: echo that.
Speaker 4: Crap to us? He was a patsy. That guy was
Speaker 4: a patsy.
Speaker 9: He was under the hypnotic spell of a direct to
Speaker 9: consumer nihil, the trans cult. And you know that if
Speaker 9: you can decide that biology is false, you can agree
Speaker 9: that that murder is okay and that humanity is expendable.
Speaker 9: How you cannot see that.
Speaker 4: Alone and see that for what.
Speaker 9: The evil it is without having to attach all of
Speaker 9: these other things is beyond me.
Speaker 5: His explicit claim that we should just like flag is
Speaker 5: that it's not He's not necessarily talking about leftists as
Speaker 5: a whole. He's specifically talking about people who accept the
Speaker 5: trans people are people of being and like that the
Speaker 5: existence of trans people leads to this nihilism.
Speaker 2: I guess, well, yeah, I mean they see the existent
Speaker 2: trans people as like a result of this nihilist culture, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, he seemed to put the cause all hour the
Speaker 5: other way though, in that he seemed to suggest that
Speaker 5: the nihilism comes from accepting trans people.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't fully agree that that's how he's
Speaker 2: saying it. I think they view it as it's both
Speaker 2: caused but also a symptom. I think they play it
Speaker 2: kind of both ways and showing how it's it's more
Speaker 2: so just like the result of this like breakdown in
Speaker 2: like a moral fabric, right, which is then breaking down
Speaker 2: this like notion of reality, which is right, like you know,
Speaker 2: transness is such an existential threat to the right wing
Speaker 2: worldviewing like many senses. But that's another topic. I do
Speaker 2: find it interesting how quick these people are just completely
Speaker 2: discount right wing mass shootings, right, And I think one
Speaker 2: key difference in talking about, you know, left wing violence
Speaker 2: is right ring violence, it seems, and almost all their
Speaker 2: examples here they're talking about assassinations targeted against specific people.
Speaker 2: Most right wing violence in these like statistics from like
Speaker 2: CATO and the National Institute of Justice are are mass shootings,
Speaker 2: right that the number of individual people might not be
Speaker 2: that different, but the kill count for right wing and
Speaker 2: specifically like white supremacist attacks are so much higher. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's the actual numbers that matter to these people,
Speaker 2: it's their proximity to being the recipient of such violence
Speaker 2: that really freaks them out. For these commentators, the likelihood
Speaker 2: of them being in a black church when a white
Speaker 2: pharmacist mass shooting happens is slimtonon right, Like, that's never
Speaker 2: gonna happen to these people, But being the victim of
Speaker 2: targeted violence against a high profile figure is to them
Speaker 2: it seems like an increasing possibility, and that really freaks
Speaker 2: them out. Like obviously this type of attack directly affects
Speaker 2: their political class in a way that a far right
Speaker 2: mass shooting does not. I think that is influencing the
Speaker 2: way that they're talking about this, you know, quote unquote
Speaker 2: spike in left wing violence. We're gonna go on an
Speaker 2: ad break and then return to talk about Jed Vance's
Speaker 2: temporary takeover of the Charlie Kirk Show and how his
Speaker 2: rhetoric is affecting this general debate on political violence. Okay,
Speaker 2: we are back. On Monday, September fifteenth, Vice President jd
Speaker 2: Vance hosted The Charlie Kirk Show from his office in
Speaker 2: the White House Complex, the Vice President sitting down hosting
Speaker 2: a private citizens radio talk show. The show's intro has
Speaker 2: clips from Charlie's studio with signs that read big Gov
Speaker 2: socks warning does not play well with liberals. To introduce
Speaker 2: the show, Jade Vance says that, quote, we have to
Speaker 2: talk about this incredibly destructive moment of left wing extremism
Speaker 2: that has grown up over the last few years. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about how to dismantle that and how
Speaker 2: to bring real unity unquote. His first guest was Stephen Miller.
Speaker 2: Ben said he wanted to talk to Miller about quote
Speaker 2: all the ways we're trying to figure out how to
Speaker 2: prevent this festering violence that you can see from the
Speaker 2: far left becoming even more and more mainstream.
Speaker 7: You have the crazies on the far left were saying, Oh,
Speaker 7: Stephen Miller and JD. Vance, they're going to go after
Speaker 7: constitutionally protected speech, and we're going to go after the
Speaker 7: NGO network that fomens facilitates and engages in violence that's
Speaker 7: not okay. Violence is not okay in our system, and
Speaker 7: we want to make it less likely that that happens.
Speaker 7: Walk me through at a high level, like what you
Speaker 7: and I have been working on, what the whole administration
Speaker 7: has been working on to try to make sure that
Speaker 7: we don't reward and promote this craziness.
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's an excellent question. I've said this before,
Speaker 1: but there's repeating. The last message that Charlie sent me
Speaker 1: was I think it was just the day before we
Speaker 1: lost him, which is that we need to have an
Speaker 1: organized strategy to go after the lefting organizations that are
Speaker 1: promoting violence in this country. And I will write those
Speaker 1: words onto my heart and I will carry them out.
Speaker 2: The NGO network.
Speaker 5: Yep, Yeah, this has been a thing with them for
Speaker 5: a while.
Speaker 2: Yes, there was supposed to be a series of executive
Speaker 2: orders that were drafted earlier this year, specifically targeting Democrat
Speaker 2: funding platforms like Act Blue and environmental NGOs that it
Speaker 2: was reported that Trump was about to sign and then
Speaker 2: they kind of disappeared. This was around like April to May.
Speaker 2: And this has been something that they obviously have been
Speaker 2: wanting to do, but for one reason or another, haven't
Speaker 2: followed through on yet. But now are are talking about
Speaker 2: this as an impending policy that the Trump administration is
Speaker 2: going to enact.
Speaker 5: I think some of their fascination with NGOs comes from
Speaker 5: the Trump administration's first term, when NGOs were very successful
Speaker 5: in bringing suits that delayed or prevented some of the
Speaker 5: policies that the mill of faction of the Trump administration
Speaker 5: would have liked to implement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I think the other angle of this
Speaker 3: is just a pure idy Semitism mango that partly when
Speaker 3: they're saying NGOs they mean NGO's and partly when they're
Speaker 3: saying NGOs they mean Jews. And it's great.
Speaker 5: It's very often this specific focus is on he s right,
Speaker 5: highest Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Who I mean, we see
Speaker 5: this in the Tree of Life shooting for instance in
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. Right, this has been with us for some
Speaker 5: time on the right.
Speaker 2: I'm going to play another clip where they outline more
Speaker 2: strategies for clamping down on left wing violence.
Speaker 1: And we are going to channel all of the anger
Speaker 1: that we have over the organized campaign that led to
Speaker 1: this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. So
Speaker 1: let me explain a bit of what that means. So
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, it'll be quick stephen the organized docs and campaigns,
Speaker 1: the organized riots, the organized street violence, the organized campaigns
Speaker 1: of dehumanization, vilification, posting people's addresses, combining that with messaging
Speaker 1: this design to trigger inside violence, and the actual organized
Speaker 1: cells that carry out facilitate the violence. It is a
Speaker 1: vast domestic terror movement. And with the Goddess my witness,
Speaker 1: we are going to use every resource we have at
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government
Speaker 1: to identify, disrupt, dismantle, and destroy these networks and make
Speaker 1: America safe again for the American people.
Speaker 4: It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name.
Speaker 2: So in their discussion of taking down this big doxing network,
Speaker 2: they also inadvertently and ironically describe the doxing campaign that
Speaker 2: the right is currently doing at a far larger scale
Speaker 2: and with way more institutional backing than any antif for
Speaker 2: left being, doxing has looked like targeting people making posts
Speaker 2: in support of Charlie Kirk's assassination or people making jokes
Speaker 2: about Charlie Kirk in the wake of his assassination, with
Speaker 2: a doxing website listing thousands of quote unquote Charlie's murderers,
Speaker 2: which are actually just people who have made posts about
Speaker 2: the death of Charlie Kirk. This is building off the
Speaker 2: Canary Mission strategy used against pro Palestinian Act savists, which
Speaker 2: has been adopted by the State Department for Immigration Enforcement
Speaker 2: and judging visa applications. This is the actual, like organized,
Speaker 2: state backed, institutionally backed dosing campaign that exists right now
Speaker 2: in this country. It's not your average torch Antifa chapter
Speaker 2: doing this at scale now. It's the right with the
Speaker 2: mechanism of state encouraging them, backing them, and tons of
Speaker 2: money being funneled into an organized operation to actually impact
Speaker 2: state policy on who gets allowed in the country. On
Speaker 2: that note, Mark Rubio has talked about denying visa applications
Speaker 2: for people who celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 10: We are not in the business of inviting people to
Speaker 10: visit our country who are going to be involved in
Speaker 10: negative and destructive behavior. Okay, so why should if I
Speaker 10: invite someone? If we invite someone to visit the United
Speaker 10: States of America as a student, as a tourist, as whatever,
Speaker 10: then they have a different The standard they should be
Speaker 10: held to is very high. We shouldn't be bringing people
Speaker 10: into this country. We should not be giving visas to
Speaker 10: people who are going to come to the United States
Speaker 10: and do things like celebrate the murder, the execution, the
Speaker 10: assassination of a political figure. We should not And if
Speaker 10: they're already here, we should be revoking their visa.
Speaker 2: So now there's an organized campaign to not only try
Speaker 2: to deport and revoke visas or deny visas to people
Speaker 2: quote unquote celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, but also
Speaker 2: get citizens here fired from their jobs and disrupt their life.
Speaker 2: Just two years ago, Elon Musk tweeted, quote, if you
Speaker 2: were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or
Speaker 2: liking something on this platform Twitter, we will fund your
Speaker 2: legal bill, no limit. Please let us know unquote what's
Speaker 2: different about the right use of these tactics is the
Speaker 2: merger of like the right wing non government organization like
Speaker 2: activist apparatus with the ruling conservative government. Like the Dems
Speaker 2: in the left, have never done this before. There's never
Speaker 2: been this coordination between the actual democratic establishment and like
Speaker 2: the far left. That's never happened. Like Palestine crackdowns started
Speaker 2: under Biden. Biden's DOJ prosecuted many twenty twenty, George Floyd
Speaker 2: uprising cases, federal assistance, and the domesti terrorism investigation into
Speaker 2: cop City started under Biden. As for quote unquote organized
Speaker 2: riots and street violence, right wing street violence has been
Speaker 2: encouraged and coordinated with Trump and the Trump administration stand
Speaker 2: back and stand by to stop the steal protests leading
Speaker 2: to January sixth, which Trump played a large part in
Speaker 2: making happen, and then Trump pardoned all the participants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's pretty clear.
Speaker 2: The mayor of Minneapolis taking a knee is not on
Speaker 2: the same level as Trump pardoning all the January sixth
Speaker 2: quote unquote insurrectionists. At the end of Vance's two hour
Speaker 2: long episode, he reiterated on the topic of doxing and harassment,
Speaker 2: campaigns and political violence. Here's another clip.
Speaker 7: I wrote a story in The Nation magazine about my
Speaker 7: dear friend Charlie Kirk. Now The Nation is in a
Speaker 7: fringe blog. It's a well funded, well respected magazine whose
Speaker 7: publishing history goes back to the American Civil War. George
Speaker 7: Soros's Open Society Foundation funds this magazine, as does the
Speaker 7: Ford Foundation and many other wealthy titans of the American
Speaker 7: progressive movement.
Speaker 4: The writer accuses Charlie.
Speaker 7: Of saying, and I quote, black women do not have
Speaker 7: brain processing power to be taken seriously.
Speaker 4: But if you go and watch the clip, the very.
Speaker 7: Clip she links to, you realize he never said anything
Speaker 7: like that. He never uttered those words. He made an
Speaker 7: argument against affirmative action as a policy, He criticized a
Speaker 7: specific Supreme Court justice as an individual. He never said
Speaker 7: anything about black women as a group. He made an
Speaker 7: argument for judging people of all races and backgrounds by
Speaker 7: their own individual merits. The very evidence she provides, this
Speaker 7: hack of a writer shows that she lied about a
Speaker 7: dead man, and yet she wrote it, an esteemed magazine
Speaker 7: published it, it made it through the editors, and of
Speaker 7: course liberal billionaires rewarded that attack. Now, of course, even
Speaker 7: if Charlie had uttered those words, It wouldn't mean that
Speaker 7: he deserved his fate, But consider the level of propaganda
Speaker 7: at work. Charlie was gunned down in broad daylight, and
Speaker 7: well funded institutions of the left lied about what he
Speaker 7: said so as to justify his murder.
Speaker 4: This is soulless and evil.
Speaker 7: But I was struck not just by the dishonesty of
Speaker 7: this smear, but by the glee over a young husband's
Speaker 7: and young father's death.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 7: She says he was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist.
Speaker 7: The Nation wrote, who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to break down there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: First of all, the president of the Nation, not the
Speaker 2: Country the magazine. The Nation magazine has stated that they,
Speaker 2: in fact, do not receive money from George Soros or
Speaker 2: the Open Society Foundation. Vance's gesturing two left wing billionaires
Speaker 2: carries three parentheses around that term. Second of all, let's
Speaker 2: play the actual clip of Charlie talking about brain processing power.
Speaker 8: Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sila Jackson Lee and
Speaker 8: Catangi Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks. We would have
Speaker 8: been called the BIS. But now they're coming out and
Speaker 8: they're saying it for us. They're coming out and they're saying,
Speaker 8: I'm only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know,
Speaker 8: you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise
Speaker 8: be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a
Speaker 8: white person slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
Speaker 2: So he just happens to be talking about three black
Speaker 2: women and state that they do not have the brain
Speaker 2: processing power to do their jobs and that they stole
Speaker 2: a white man's spot, yet in the position they are
Speaker 2: in now. An opinion writer for The Washington Post was
Speaker 2: fired this week for sharing this quote on Twitter, which
Speaker 2: replaced the names of the three women's talking about with
Speaker 2: just black women.
Speaker 5: Did she share it like in between quotation marks if
Speaker 5: it was a direct quotation.
Speaker 2: She did share it as if it was a direct quotation.
Speaker 5: Okay, I see.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to read this from the email that
Speaker 3: they sent this writer firing her. This writer is a
Speaker 3: black woman. Among other requirements, the company wide social media
Speaker 3: policy mandates that all employees social media postings be respectful
Speaker 3: and prohibits postings that disparage people based on their race, gender,
Speaker 3: or other protected characteristics. The policy also mind's employees that
Speaker 3: everything they post is reflective on the company and should
Speaker 3: not affect the integrity of the post journalism. You're posting
Speaker 3: some blue sky which identify you as a post columnist
Speaker 3: about white men in response to the killing of Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 3: do not comply with our policy. For example, you posted
Speaker 3: refusing to tear my clothes and smear ashes on my
Speaker 3: face and performative morning for a white man that espoused
Speaker 3: violence is not the same thing as violence. And part
Speaker 3: of what keeps America violent is the insistence that people
Speaker 3: perform care, empty goodness and absolution for white men who
Speaker 3: espoused hatred and violence. So this is explicitly a a
Speaker 3: They think that reverse racism is real, and that's saying
Speaker 3: that and talking about white people as a class of
Speaker 3: people in the US that are responsible for things is
Speaker 3: in fact racism. That is, that is the argument that
Speaker 3: the post the Washington Post is making in the email
Speaker 3: where they fire her, which is like that reverse racism shit,
Speaker 3: even like three years ago was like a pretty fringe
Speaker 3: right wing like like that was a knot. It was
Speaker 3: originally like a Nazi thing, right And this is now
Speaker 3: being used by like the Washington Post to fire their
Speaker 3: own writers for writing really incredibly reasonable things about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2: To close Charlie Kirk's episode, and to close our episode.
Speaker 4: JD.
Speaker 2: Vance talked about before we can have any national unity,
Speaker 2: we must, like Charlie, tell the truth.
Speaker 7: Unity Real unity can be found only after climbing the
Speaker 7: mountain of truth. And there are difficult truths we must
Speaker 7: confront in our country. One truth is that twenty four
Speaker 7: percent of self described quote very liberals believe it is
Speaker 7: acceptable to be happy about the death of a political opponent,
Speaker 7: while only three percent of self described very conservatives agree.
Speaker 7: Three percent is too many, of course. Another truth is
Speaker 7: that twenty six percent of young liberals believe political violence
Speaker 7: is sometimes justified, and only seven percent of young conservatives
Speaker 7: say the same. Again to high a number in a
Speaker 7: country of three hundred and thirty million people. You can,
Speaker 7: of course find one person of a given political persuasion
Speaker 7: justifying this or that or almost anything, but the data
Speaker 7: is clear people on the left are much likelier to
Speaker 7: defend and celebrate political violence.
Speaker 4: This is not a both sides problem.
Speaker 7: If both sides have a problem, one side has a
Speaker 7: much bigger and malignant problem, and that is the truth.
Speaker 4: We must be told.
Speaker 2: So these stats are from a recent you gov survey
Speaker 2: where twenty four percent of very liberals to say it's
Speaker 2: okay to be happy with the murder of a political opponent,
Speaker 2: and twenty six percent of young liberals to say sometimes
Speaker 2: political violence is justified for two seven percent of young conservatives.
Speaker 2: This study also found that Democrats and Republicans are more
Speaker 2: likely to say that political violence is a big problem
Speaker 2: after attacks on members of their own party. Of course,
Speaker 2: this polling is going to be heavily influenced by whatever
Speaker 2: recent events just happened. That's going to change people's stated
Speaker 2: opinion on these questions. After the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 2: sixty seven percent of Republicans so that political violence is
Speaker 2: a very big problem. Fifty eight percent of Democrats agreed.
Speaker 2: After the assassination of Melissa Hartman, fifty six percent of
Speaker 2: Democrats said it's a very big problem. Only forty four
Speaker 2: percent of Republicans agreed. After the assassination attempt on Josh Shapiro,
Speaker 2: forty four percent of Democrats, thirty seven percent of Republicans.
Speaker 5: Wait, just Shapiro wasn't assassinated?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: They tried to ban his houseing. Yeah, they're counting that
Speaker 2: as an attempt assassination.
Speaker 5: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: After the attendive assassination on Donald Trump, fifty one percent
Speaker 2: of Republicans said political balance is a very big problem,
Speaker 2: forty six percent of Demi democrats, And after the attacks
Speaker 2: on Paul Pelosi, fifty three percent of Democrats said political
Speaker 2: violence is a very big problem, compared to thirty one
Speaker 2: percent of Republicans. These stats are very fluid and absolutely
Speaker 2: changed depending on whatever current events were current at the time,
Speaker 2: whatever just happened. We're going to talk about this more
Speaker 2: in a bit, but I think the way that we
Speaker 2: frame cheering on political violence also massively varies based on
Speaker 2: what you count as political violence. Is a police killing
Speaker 2: count as political violence? If so, that's going to majorly
Speaker 2: affect the way we think about this question. Here's Vance
Speaker 2: again talking about Trump's assassination and the pyramid that supports
Speaker 2: political violence.
Speaker 7: Now, any political movement, violent or not violent.
Speaker 4: Is a collection of forces.
Speaker 7: It's like a pyramid that stacks on top one support
Speaker 7: on top of the other. That Peermid's got a foundation
Speaker 7: of donors, of activists, of journalists. Now, social media influenceers
Speaker 7: and of course, of politicians. Not every member of that
Speaker 7: pyramid would commit a murder. In fact, over ninety nine
Speaker 7: percent I'm sure would not. But by celebrating that murder,
Speaker 7: apologizing for it, and emphasizing not Charlie's innocence, but the
Speaker 7: fact that he said things some didn't like, even to
Speaker 7: the point of lying about what he actually said, many
Speaker 7: of these people are creating an environment where things like
Speaker 7: this are inevitably going to happen.
Speaker 2: Benson goes on to talk about how people yelled at
Speaker 2: him and his family when he visited Disneyland, and discusses
Speaker 2: how after Charlie's death, one of his friends and a
Speaker 2: senior White House staffer had left leaning operatives in his neighborhood,
Speaker 2: passing out leaflets telling people what he looked like and
Speaker 2: where he'd lived, and quote encouraging neighbors to harass him
Speaker 2: or God forbid to do worse. While he was mourning
Speaker 2: his dead friend, he and his wife had to worry
Speaker 2: about the political terrorists drawing a big target on his home.
Speaker 2: He shares with his own children. Are these people violent?
Speaker 2: I hope not? But are they guilty of encouraging violence?
Speaker 2: You damn well better believe it. We can thank God
Speaker 2: that most Democrats don't share these attitudes, and I do.
Speaker 2: While acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a
Speaker 2: lunatic fringe, a minority, but a growing and powerful minority
Speaker 2: on the far left, Vansk goes on to state that
Speaker 2: he seeks no unity with the far left.
Speaker 7: There is no unity with people who scream at children
Speaker 7: over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone
Speaker 7: who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to
Speaker 7: excuse his murder.
Speaker 4: There is no.
Speaker 7: Unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day
Speaker 7: after the father of that family lost a dear friend.
Speaker 7: There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie
Speaker 7: Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people
Speaker 7: who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these
Speaker 7: terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband
Speaker 7: and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he
Speaker 7: spoke words with which they disagree.
Speaker 4: Did you know that the George Soros.
Speaker 7: Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the groups who
Speaker 7: funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, Do you know
Speaker 7: they benefit from generous tax treatment. They are literally subsidized
Speaker 7: by you and me, the American taxpayer. And how do
Speaker 7: they reward us by setting fire to the house built
Speaker 7: by the American family over two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 2: On September thirteenth, Fox and News Morning host Brian Kilmeade
Speaker 2: endorsed youuthanizing homeless people with quote involuntary lethal injection or something.
Speaker 2: Just kill them.
Speaker 6: Billions of dollars some mental health and the homeless population.
Speaker 6: A lot of them don't want to take the programs.
Speaker 6: A lot of them don't want to get the help
Speaker 6: that is necessary. You can't give them a choice. Either
Speaker 6: you take the resources that we're going to give you
Speaker 6: and or you decide that you got to be locked
Speaker 6: up in jail.
Speaker 11: That's the way it has to be now, or involuntary
Speaker 11: lethal injection or something.
Speaker 10: I just kill him, Jim, Brian, Why did it have
Speaker 10: to get to this point?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 11: I would say this, we're not voting for the right
Speaker 11: people in North Carolina.
Speaker 8: Wake up.
Speaker 2: Just kill them.
Speaker 5: Geez.
Speaker 2: A Fox News host advocating the killing of homeless people,
Speaker 2: and he didn't get fired from this. He apologized a
Speaker 2: few days later, but he's not getting fired from his
Speaker 2: job for this openly advocating the death of homeless people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, murder, And I think it's worth noting whatever we're
Speaker 3: having a discussion about political violence, that two days after
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was shot, Ice just killed a guy in
Speaker 3: Chicago who was driving away from their attempt to detain him.
Speaker 3: He was driving away pretty slowly and there's video of it.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 3: They pulled out their guns and they killed him. And
Speaker 3: you know, all of these people, who are the people
Speaker 3: who ordered Ice into this city, right, who are directly
Speaker 3: responsible for the deaths of this man who was also
Speaker 3: a single father. Actually well, no, Kirk was not a
Speaker 3: single father, but this guy was and was just murdered
Speaker 3: in cold blood by Ice.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: This is not considered political violence by sort of either
Speaker 3: liberals or conservatives, right, because they don't think that political
Speaker 3: violence can be done by the state. And this is
Speaker 3: also part of how you get to the situation now
Speaker 3: where you can be like, well, the states should just
Speaker 3: murder homeless people and that's not considered political violence because
Speaker 3: it's the state doing it and because they don't think
Speaker 3: homeless people are people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to broaden that statement slightly or take
Speaker 5: a different angle on it, right, Like there is a
Speaker 5: complete bipartisan consensus that we should kill hundreds of people
Speaker 5: a year acrossing our southern border because that supposedly serves
Speaker 5: as a deterrent from other people coming, which it doesn't.
Speaker 5: But that is not seen as political violence.
Speaker 3: Now, they just murdered three more people on a boat
Speaker 3: like leaving Venezuela a few days ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Events ended the Charlie Kirk Show episode. He advocated that
Speaker 2: listeners find and call the employers of people celebrating Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk's death to join a TEPA USA chapter or to
Speaker 2: run for office.
Speaker 7: But I promise you that we will explore every option
Speaker 7: to bring real unity to our country and stop those
Speaker 7: who would kill their fellow Americans because they don't like
Speaker 7: what they say.
Speaker 4: But you have a role too. Civil society, Charlie.
Speaker 7: Understood this well, is not just something that flows from
Speaker 7: the government. It flows from each and every one of us.
Speaker 7: It flows from all of us. So when you see
Speaker 7: someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell, call
Speaker 7: their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we
Speaker 7: do believe in civility, and there is no civility in
Speaker 7: the celebration of political assassination.
Speaker 5: The idea of the fusion of the state with civil
Speaker 5: society is really notable there, Like, that's not what civil
Speaker 5: society is, right, That is a concept that is inherently totalitarian,
Speaker 5: that civil society should flow downstream from the state and
Speaker 5: the movement.
Speaker 2: It's this fusion between the two that the right has
Speaker 2: deployed so successfully, Yeah, which has increased their ability to
Speaker 2: actually like rule.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's that's what fatism does, right, Like
Speaker 5: that that's yeah, Franco, that's Hitler like, like that is textbook.
Speaker 2: That's like the point of the brown Shirts, yeah.
Speaker 5: Or like the Women's movement in Spain. Right to give
Speaker 5: a more civil society example, they're not like they're not
Speaker 5: like a state police agency. There are a civil society
Speaker 5: organization explicitly run by the state for its agenda.
Speaker 2: So to return to the years of lead Paint idea
Speaker 2: that opened this episode, what I'm observing right now across
Speaker 2: the political ocean is this flattening of tactics. As I
Speaker 2: discussed on the show before in the Blue on episodes,
Speaker 2: the right trojan horst political conspiracism into acceptable political discourse,
Speaker 2: which the left is now embracing. Liberals and the left,
Speaker 2: and you can see this with people's reactions to the
Speaker 2: Charter assassination and theories about the alleged shooter. So the
Speaker 2: left is embracing conspiracy theories. Meanwhile the right is adopting
Speaker 2: and accelerating political cancel culture style docsing. The key difference
Speaker 2: here is on the right, these actions have state backing
Speaker 2: and coordination, or serve to maintain state power. For example,
Speaker 2: there's types of political violence that get cheered on by
Speaker 2: the right, such as deportations and the cheering on of
Speaker 2: police after officer involved shootings. Back the blue keeps alignment
Speaker 2: with state power. Same thing with cheering on or encouraging
Speaker 2: violence against BLM protesters that supports the state structure and
Speaker 2: advocating or celebrating the deaths of protesters gets viewed very
Speaker 2: differently than the targeted assassinations that have happened the past
Speaker 2: year and now the past few days, Trump has discussed
Speaker 2: once again designating Antifa and other groups as domestic terror
Speaker 2: organizations and bringing RICO charges against Code Pink activists who
Speaker 2: screamed at him at a restaurant in d C a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Do you plan on designating Antifa finally a domestic terror organization.
Speaker 7: Well, it's something I would do, Yeah, if I have
Speaker 7: support from the people back here.
Speaker 4: I think would start with PAM, I.
Speaker 3: Think, but I would if you give me, I would
Speaker 3: do that one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And others also, by the way, but Antifa is terrible.
Speaker 2: There are other groups. Yeah, there are other groups.
Speaker 3: We have some pretty radical groups and they got away
Speaker 3: with murder.
Speaker 4: And also I've been speaking to.
Speaker 7: The Attorney General about bringing RICO against some of the
Speaker 7: people that you've been reading about that have been putting
Speaker 7: up millions and millions of dollars for agitation.
Speaker 4: This is these aren't protests.
Speaker 3: These are crimes what they're doing where they're throwing bricks
Speaker 3: at cars of the of Ice and Border Patrol. I
Speaker 3: want to close by. You know, we've seen the sort
Speaker 3: of repercusions that people have had, not even for like
Speaker 3: celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, but for like being like, wait,
Speaker 3: this guy fucking sucks and this whole you know, this
Speaker 3: whole argument about civility. And I mean that, I mean
Speaker 3: the Vice President of the United States is making right.
Speaker 3: I want to read this quote from Matt Walsh as
Speaker 3: we're recording this This is from Tuesday, September sixteenth. This
Speaker 3: was left wing LGBT terrorism. There was never much doubt.
Speaker 3: Now there is none at all. All left wing terror
Speaker 3: networks must be crushed, all of the terrorists and their
Speaker 3: helpers and funders must be arrested, prosecuted, and put to death.
Speaker 3: So and there have been absolutely zero consequences for again
Speaker 3: Matt Walsh calling for this whole network of people that
Speaker 3: he imagines exists being executed. That's their endgame, right, It
Speaker 3: is to destroy the concept of free speech in order
Speaker 3: to preserve quote unquote free speech right, in order to
Speaker 3: sort of quote unquote end political violence. They want to
Speaker 3: carry out, you know, mass political killings of their opponents,
Speaker 3: coordinated at a state level with state resources.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the state involvement makes it okay, That makes
Speaker 2: it a moral action, not the actions of some like
Speaker 2: unhinged terrorist.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And this is a really significant problem for the
Speaker 3: way that we think about political violence, because this is
Speaker 3: something that's true for both liberals and conservatives that they
Speaker 3: think that the state is the appropriate arbiter for this
Speaker 3: kind of political violence, which is how Obama can do
Speaker 3: a drone strike on a sixteen year old American citizen
Speaker 3: and kill him in cold blood because Obama had political
Speaker 3: disagreements with his father, right, and how this is some
Speaker 3: treated as something that's fine by a huge portion of liberals.
Speaker 3: And this is one of the things that's going to
Speaker 3: allow if these people are successful, and I don't know
Speaker 3: that they will be, but if they can be, that's
Speaker 3: going to be.
Speaker 2: Why well, that is how we at the show understand
Speaker 2: the years of lead Pain, or the current twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five Timber era of the years of lead Paint. There's
Speaker 2: phantoms everywhere, there's conspiracies everywhere and nowhere, and the specter
Speaker 2: of political violence is around every corner.
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