WEBVTT - Years of Lead Paint 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.920 Al Zone Media. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:07.560 I'm not Robert Evans. I'm not going to start this 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.160 episode with a horrible noise. Welcome to it could happen 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:16.080 to hear a show about things falling apart with me today, 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.280 Mio Wong, James Stout, I'm Garrison Davis. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.720 We have never as a society been this Year's of 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:25.919 lead paint as we are now. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:28.160 Oh my god. 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:30.840 Yeah, it's not great. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.960 Speaking of things falling apart. The lead paint in my 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.239 room is crumbling. It's probably great things to my brain. Wonderful, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.000 love this, love this so okay. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:41.920 Most a lot of this episode is going to be 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.919 about the Charlie Kirk assassination and everyone's reaction to it 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.480 and everyone's sort of losing their minds. But I think 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.600 that the place that we want to start is with 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.720 a little bit about the concept of the years of 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:56.560 Lead Paint, which was developed by friend of the show, 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.960 Vicky astro Wall, to explain something I feel like almost 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.560 i've once forgotten about, which was right after Trump got elected, 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.360 there was that car bomb outside of a Trump hotel 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.560 that was like a tesla that was a right winger 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:13.640 who was trying to get everyone to like do the Purge, Yeah. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.560 The cyber Trek, former Green Beret guy. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.680 Yeah, And this is the kind of thing that you 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.199 would have seen during the original years of Lead. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:24.600 Yeah. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.640 So for people who don't know what the original years 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.840 of Lead was, because this is becoming a thing that 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.240 people are using to understand what's going on now, and 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.039 I think there are problems with that that we'll get to. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.960 But the original years of Lead are this period from 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.200 I mean that there's you know, you can you can 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.760 start in a couple different places, but like roughly sort 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.520 of like the sixties through the eighties, like early mid 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:54.080 eighties in Italy that are this period of really really 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.720 intensifies in the seventies is really really intense period of 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:02.280 political violence in Italy. It is largely a right wing 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:07.320 reaction to this massive series of uprisings in Italy. I mean, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.959 the whole the whole sixties in Italy are a time 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.440 of incredible sort of turmoil and left wing uprising. There's 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.639 I mean, I think there's first factory occupations are like 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.640 sixty five, but there's the fact there's the massive factory 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.080 occupations in nineteen sixty eight, which are sort of a 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.079 global phenomena. But then also the next year, there is 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.160 an Evans called and this is literally the term for it, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.880 the Hot Autumn of sixty nine, which. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.320 I'm not even gonna really a. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.680 Nice great yeah, which which was this massive like a 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.840 second series of like you know, workers taking over factories 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.120 and starting like factory councils, and like, there are so 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.359 many communist factions that, like the communist faction that's doing 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.760 this stuff, they have mutated to a point where they're 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.120 almost effectively anarchists. So this is what's called the autonomists. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.720 And this has becomes like a major influence on like 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.280 American anarchism later and in response to the fact that 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:07.239 these people very nearly on multiple occasions, like very nearly, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.960 take Italy, a combination of rut wing fascist groups and 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.520 organizations inside of and sort of parallel to the Italian 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.840 government developed this thing called the strategy of Tension, which 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.919 and I think this will to some extent sound familiar 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.000 in terms of what's what's happening right now, which is 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:32.000 this strategy of using terrorist attacks and using political violence 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.320 to show this like fear and panic and chaos that 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.400 would cause people to turn to the state for safety 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.880 and cause people to turn specifically to like a stronger, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.040 like more fascist and then eventually just a straight up 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.120 fascist state that would permanently destroy the left and you know, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.880 like restore the power of the Nazis, et cetera, et cetera. Well, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.600 I mean that's us selling these people Italian fascists, the 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.920 og fascists, well, and also neo fascists too, because they're 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.800 these people are very weird Italians. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:58.800 Yeah, these people are Italians. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.680 Yeah, yeah, he said, Kisses. One of the big opening 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.000 things is that the Piazza Fontana bombing, which is this 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.360 massive bombing that kills nineteen people injures an unbelievable number 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.640 of people, and it is immediately blamed on anarchists. There's 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.440 an anarchist named Giseppe Pinelli who he's among like eighty 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.200 anarchists who arrested. Almost immediately, he like somehow falls out 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.960 of a four story window of a police building while 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.240 he was being interrogated. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:24.480 Yeah. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.159 The Italian state, which will go on to admit a 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.039 lot of the shit that it did, maintains to this 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:30.760 day that he just got tired and fell out the 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:35.320 window himself. I'm gonna let you try your artus. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.000 I think this guy died. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.159 I mean a lot of a lot of anarchists are lazy. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:40.760 I can see, I can see it happening. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:45.040 Yeah, there is a good play that I took part 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.120 in during high school called Accidental Death of an Anarchist 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.240 by Dario Foe. Yeah, which you can enjoy. 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:56.760 This is the most like James backstory moment ever seen before. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.360 This is wild. Yeah, WHOA someone, someone update the icy 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:09.479 HH wiki page James backstory. This is great. Yeah. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.359 In my theater era, who did you play? I can't remember? 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.840 It was tragic twenty years ago. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:17.600 You should you should have remembered. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.120 Oh, I know. It was very fun. We had a 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.200 good soundtrack. It was very enjoyable for me and my friends, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.800 and I'm sure all eight people who watched it also 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.560 had a wonderful time. 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.640 So in less fun times, So this bombing was actually 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.159 carried out by a group called Ordine Nouvo, which is 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.560 it's literally new order fascist groups only have four names. 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.440 And this is a group that was aided by a 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.440 combination of Italian intelligence and this thing called Gladio, which 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.520 was this American netwill sort of stayed behind networking case 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.640 with Soviet invasion that had all of these weapons, cashes, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.080 placed around the country that's eventually sort of repurposed into 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.159 these fascist terror cells. And they do a lot of these, right, 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.160 They do a lot of bombings and they and they 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.839 mostly blamed the left for them. Probably the most famous 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.159 one is the Bologna train bombing, which killed like eighty 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.960 people injured a huge number of other people, was done 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.920 by a kind of like like another fascist group. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:13.200 Right. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.360 This is also a period where like there is real 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.359 left wing violence. Right, the left is doing like like well, 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.640 one of the things they kidnap bosses and have like 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.680 show trials of bosses all the time. They love doing 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.080 this factory bosses. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:32.120 Just like in the Dark Knight Rises by Marxist historian 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:32.960 Christopher Nolan. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.159 God. I see, I thought you were gonna say, just 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:38.200 like cancel culture. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:42.280 But just like just like what the right's doing right 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.200 now for anyone who posts about Charlie Kirk. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:46.039 You know. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:47.760 But but there was also stuff like like for example, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.800 Lota Continua, which is a leftist group of staggering complexity, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:57.240 I like killed the police officer who was interrogating Guiseppe Pinelli. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.840 So you know, like there are left wing assassinations. A 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.960 group called the Red Brigades kidnaps the former Prime Minister 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.880 of Italy, Aldo Moro. See every other episode where I've 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.000 yelled about this. They had been heavily infiltrated and were 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.200 sort of being manipulated by a number of intelligence organizations 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:14.600 that if I started listening to them right now, you 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:15.880 would think I was insane. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:16.440 Yeah. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.560 But the important thing about this period, right, and this 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.960 eventually works, it does destroy the left. But the important 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.800 thing about the structure of this in the actual years 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.680 of lead, is that these are concrete groups, right. They 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.080 are shifting, they are flowing, people move between them. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.920 But actual organized factions anya a legitimate armed struggle. 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.160 I mean, the Red Brigade are literally organized in a 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.960 military fashion, right, with like units and command structure. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:44.840 But this is also true of like this is also 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.520 true of the fascists, right, yeah, and it's also true 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.360 of group I mean, you know, like obviously like autonomia 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:56.760 and the sort of like anarchistic communist factions are looser, 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.280 but like they're still they still are like organized, and 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.560 they're rooted in a whole bunch of different kinds of struggles. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:07.160 And the strategy of tension is being deliberately managed by 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.120 by Italian intelligence and by American intelligence and by a 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.040 bunch of other sort of like state groups. And this 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.920 is not at all what we're dealing with right now, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:23.000 not even cla. Yeah, the Charlie Kirk assassination is neither 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.080 a guy who was part of like some Marxist group, 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.680 nor was it a guy who's like a CIA agent 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:30.960 or something, right. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.120 Like just a guy. It's a guy who got. 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.319 Reddit gamer and discord political violence. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.240 Yeah, these are these are these, These are decentralized acts 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.440 being fueled by sort of radicalization. But they're not like 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.439 active intelligence operations. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.760 I mean some of them aren't even fueled by radical 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.760 Like even even the word radicalization here is sometimes in miscount. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.320 This one in particular is like not that really a degree. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.800 It seems like a degree of like personal motivation based 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.360 on his relationship with his roommate as well as this 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:06.280 general like gen Z sort of nihilism that allows you 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:10.080 to do a pretty wild act like this, I think 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.360 specifically in this case, you know, it's like existential violence 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:18.000 manifesting an incredibly political action from someone who otherwise isn't 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.439 like overtly political. This guy's not a leftist. It's definitely 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.920 not a groeper as I've been trying to argue for 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:29.280 days now. Yeah, but I mean what he did certainly 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.160 is is political, even though he's not you know, card carrying, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.240 you know, communist or you know, an anti imperialist, like 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.480 the guy who assassinated the tow israel embassy staffers was right, 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.200 which is kind of the only arguably like left wing 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.040 assassin we've like seen in the past, i don't know, 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.320 ten years in the United States, is the guy who 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.400 killed the two Israeli embassy staffers. Every other assassin or attended 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.600 assassin would not accurately be described as like left wing 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.800 in orientation, including someone like Luigi Mangioni, who is very 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:04.359 much which basically a teapot gray tribe libertarian. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:05.600 Yeah. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.080 Yeah, And it's also worth noting that like from the 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.680 state end, these like this is not something that was 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.320 like deliberately unleashed by the state, except in the sense 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:13.760 of like. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.160 Well some people would argue otherwise. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.000 Yeah, but right there, if that's the issue, you know, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.160 like if like the last time we saw something that 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.560 you could argue even sort of look like that is 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.440 like there is genuinely something kind of suspicious about the 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.040 way that a whole bunch of the most famous Black 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.440 Lives Matter activists who weren't the ones in the NGO 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.679 suddenly turned up dead. That's the closest thing, right, And 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.680 that's not even a like, we know they did this, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.839 that's a like and that was and that was over 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:43.840 a decade ago. Yeah, right, that this is this is 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.480 a long time ago. And you know, and and I 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.640 would argue it's important in that it's part of the 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.720 same series of uprisings that like all of this fascist 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.839 stuff is a response to right and sense, it's a 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.000 response to Ferguson, it's response to twenty twenty. But like 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.000 that structure, which is the structure that a lot of 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.440 people are using to end is this of just purely 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.160 in American years of lead doesn't really work because we're 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:11.560 dealing with something way weirder, yeah, and way less concrete. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.920 Which is why we're calling it something else, the years 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.840 of lead paint, because these people are just like because 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.720 it is not the result of this large scale like 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:28.240 deep state orchestration, nor these legitimate organized fashions. Everyone is 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:29.520 simply brain rotted. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:30.440 Yeah. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:30.920 Yeah. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.640 To contrast, right in the twentieth century that the prevailing 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.960 concept of how the left would change the world was 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.080 through the violent capture of state institutions or in the 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.640 case of the anarchists, I guess less so that you know, 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.640 if we look at like this communist ideal of revolution. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.480 Yeah, how's that anarchist revolution going, buddy? 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.560 Well, I mean, these guys are thirty years after the 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.640 Spanish Revolution, right, Like it's some of them have seen 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.600 anarchists hold whole cities and hold off the country's army. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.400 It's not out of the out of the realm of 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.400 possibility for them. That concept of revolution. I mean, it 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.760 does exist. It exists with people with like anime Twitter 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.480 abbatars still, but like, for the most part, that concept 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.720 of revolution is not that relevant in twenty first century 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.560 leftist political organizing and so like it cannot be the 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.760 same because the nature of the thing, that's the struggle, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.160 it's not the same on the left. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.600 There isn't even illegitimate left in the United States, like 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.320 in any meaningful sense. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.160 Yeah, I mean that there exists, Like I guess it's like, 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.120 I don't want to call it incoherent, but like a 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.760 lot of the left exists. The people going hardest on 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.600 the left are going hardest on the internet. I guess 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.560 this is what I want to say, And like this 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.280 is nothing like post sixty eight Italy. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.320 We've seen a nice, nice like resurgence stuff like union 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.240 organizing and that's like the most realistic manifestation of the left, but. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.800 And mutual aid organizing. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.080 And I will also say we did have the So 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.400 this band from twenty eleven to twenty twenty was like 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:07.280 a really massive period of like really large scale street 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:12.920 movement in a way that really terrified these people, Like 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:18.160 twenty fourteen s petificlarly Ferguson and twenty twenty like really 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:24.840 truly rattled the psychology of all of the people who 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.880 who are like currently running this country in that it 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.600 demonstrated that like, oh damn, there could be a world. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.839 We're like, we're not automatically the superior race and we're 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.560 not like treated like that because it's betting bullshit and 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.559 people were willing to fight for that. But also like, yeah, no, 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.760 like we don't have the kind of like organization or 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.760 logistical capacity that like any of these things had, and 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.720 it's not clear to me that you like you won't 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.559 yet things that look like that anymore. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.040 Yeah, Like as much as like the right wing YouTube 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.440 podcast Fear wants to make it the case. First of all, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.160 there is not like an organized revolutionary left in the US, 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:09.600 not a serious one. And secondly, the organized revolutionary left 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:14.440 that existed in twentieth century relied on a network that 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.600 was international and that sometimes and not always had its 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:23.320 roots in Soviet I guess foreign policy right. That also 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.320 does not like as much as a YouTube world wished 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.800 to be the case. China is not sending people little 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.280 yellow hard hats to go out in Portland and get 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.680 mad at the Feds being there. That is not the case. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.320 Here's an advert for hard hats, which you have to 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.920 buy in your own because China is not sending them 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:41.160 to you. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:58.160 We're back talking lead paint. Speaking of lead paint, and 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.080 in some ways the conspiratory real elements of the years 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.160 have led there is no shortage of conspiratorial thought permeating 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.720 across the entire spectrum of American politics in ways that 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.280 I've never really seen at this scale before, which isn't 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.480 saying much, because you know, I'm not, however old James is. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:16.600 But I have been. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:26.000 Gris wo fuck me, but I have been. Monitor industry 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:33.560 was politics for a decent section of time, mainly the 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.120 past like seven years, the past like five or so years. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.120 Professionally, We're gonna have to watch another video because of 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.720 this whole second of the scarison. I have you known. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.800 I'm actually multiple months later for my workplace harassment training. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:48.160 I can see why. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:53.680 My god, but it's it's it's it's pretty bad. Just 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.760 the the total rejection of reality and the separation of 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.720 truth and reality as as coherent concepts. And we've seen 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:04.800 this and some of people's responses across the political spectrum 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.040 to the release of alleged text messages between the alleged 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.520 shooter of Charlie Kirk and their roommate, which was released 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.560 in the indictment that dropped on Monday, which shows the 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.720 it lled shooter explaining to their roommate what they did 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.400 and like how they did it and in part why 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.720 we'll talk more about this in Executive Disorder. These actual 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.520 messages and like what they contain, but people's reaction to them, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.440 both on the left and right, have been pretty wild. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:40.000 Matt Walsh is arguing that these messages were scripted between 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.160 the roommate and the shooter as a way to absolve 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.760 the transgender roommate, referring to this strategy as being influenced 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:56.600 by Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad is a television show, an 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.320 American television show released around two thousand and eight. I'm 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:01.479 not going to explain Breaking. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.920 Bad garretson do you remember that? 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:06.200 Oh my god, you. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.080 Were like Matt Walsh's Matt Walsh is comparing this to 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.200 to something that Walter White did during during Breaking Bad, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.000 saying that this feels like a strategy that these two 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.760 people cooked up by watching too much TV, which in 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.080 fact just shows that it is Matt Walsh who watches 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.080 too much TV by the fact that this is the 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:27.400 first thing he thinks of. But it's not just Walsh. Communists, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.800 anti imperialists, people on the left are spreading a completely 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.600 unfounded assertion that this text exchange between the roommate and 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.440 the alleged shooter was quote unquote obviously written by an 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.880 FBI agent. Posts like this are receiving tens of thousands 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.760 of likes cross platforms. Yeah, it's such a misunderstanding of 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.960 how state craft works and how like the legal system 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.159 works that people communists really think that this state of 0:17:54.280 --> 0:18:01.760 Utah could could orchestrate and convincingly, convincingly orchestra completely faked 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.520 text exchanges like that's just simply not how our legal 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:10.199 system works, and you have people like Hassan spreading this 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.280 sort of stuff. Yeah. Quote, half of the right thinks 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.440 the messages are fake because it doesn't implicate the transperson. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.920 The other half thinks the shooter is a patsy because 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.400 it was Israel that killed Charlie Kirk. I will say 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.800 the text messages are too perfectly plugging holes for the 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:30.080 investigators unnatural, like come on, come on, come on, guys. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:34.280 This is like I don't even know what to like 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.760 argue with with, Like there's no way to argue against 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.600 people who believe in this in any kind of real way. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.159 Yeah, right, Like how do you someone who has rejected facts, Like, 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:45.600 how do you bring them back? 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.320 They have to argue in court that the led shooter 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.040 actually did the shooting, right, That's what they're trying to establish. Yeah, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.320 this is the evidence that will be agreed upon as 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.879 as evidence. To introduce the text messages in court, the 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.480 DA will have to prove their authenticity through chain of 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.680 custody and metadata. The reason why they were released now 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.800 is because they were included in the indictment laying out 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:12.640 the charges against Tyler Robinson. Robinson might use some odd words, 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.000 but he was raised Mormon, and all of this just 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.359 tracks at a face level to me. He's explaining his 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.560 actions to the person that he loves and instructs them 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.000 to delete the messages. He doesn't think that these are 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.080 going to come back to hurt him. And this isn't 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.240 just Betel's FBI saying this. This is the work of 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.320 local police and State of Utah police in the State 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.000 of Utah court. And this rejection of evidence, not what 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.520 the evidence argues, just the base evidence itself. Follows a 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:43.359 week of debate regarding this shooter's political orientation, which me 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.800 and Robert already discussed in an episode earlier this week. 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:51.240 And I understand people's intensity around this issue, especially framing 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.080 it in this years of led concept right of the 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.680 right using this to majorly crack down on trans people 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.800 and on the left, which yeah, they're been to tried 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.600 to do. But trying to argue at this point that 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.359 he's a groyper is just so faulty, And trying to 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:12.480 argue that these text messages are faked somehow, similarly, is 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.720 just so faulty and is so detached from how this 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.439 situation actually happened and how it fits in to the 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:23.119 current dynamic of political violence in the United States. On 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.040 that topic, a few days ago, Fox News is the 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:30.199 Five was debating if they needed more information to definitively 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.159 say that the shooter was on quote unquote the left. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.720 Greg Gutfield went on about how high profile liberal and 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.760 left wing figures aren't being assassinated by people on the 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.840 right and wrote off the murder of Minnesota House Speaker 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.000 Melissa Hartman and her husband. 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.280 We don't need more information, really, yes, we don't need it. 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.320 What is interesting here is why is only this happening 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:56.560 on the left and not the right. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:58.119 That's all we need to know about that. 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.840 There was absolutely no call you want. 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.480 To talk about Melissa Oorsman. Did you know her name 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.159 before it happened? None of us did. None of us 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.760 were spending every single day talking about missus Hortman. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.160 I never heard of her until after she died. 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:16.080 Matter, And don't play that bullshit with me. 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:17.600 You know what I'm talking. 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:21.439 What I'm saying is there was no demonization amplification about 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.560 that woman before she died. It was a specific crime 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.080 against her by somebody who knew her. The same thing 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.120 you can bring up Josha Piro, but then you will 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:30.680 not bring up, for example, that that. 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.439 Was a pro Palestine person. So don't use your what 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.480 about this. The fact, the fact of the. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:41.240 Matter is the both sides argument not only doesn't fly, 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:43.000 we don't care. 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:44.560 We don't care. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:48.280 About your both sides argument that shit is dead. For 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.240 one thing, there is no cognitive dissonance on our side. 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:56.439 On your side, your beliefs do not match reality. So 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.000