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Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: I'm not Robert Evans. I'm not going to start this

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Speaker 2: episode with a horrible noise. Welcome to it could happen

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Speaker 2: to hear a show about things falling apart with me today,

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Speaker 2: Mio Wong, James Stout, I'm Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 3: We have never as a society been this Year's of

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Speaker 3: lead paint as we are now.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not great.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of things falling apart. The lead paint in my

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Speaker 2: room is crumbling. It's probably great things to my brain. Wonderful,

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Speaker 2: love this, love this so okay.

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Speaker 3: Most a lot of this episode is going to be

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Speaker 3: about the Charlie Kirk assassination and everyone's reaction to it

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Speaker 3: and everyone's sort of losing their minds. But I think

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Speaker 3: that the place that we want to start is with

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Speaker 3: a little bit about the concept of the years of

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Speaker 3: Lead Paint, which was developed by friend of the show,

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Speaker 3: Vicky astro Wall, to explain something I feel like almost

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Speaker 3: i've once forgotten about, which was right after Trump got elected,

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Speaker 3: there was that car bomb outside of a Trump hotel

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Speaker 3: that was like a tesla that was a right winger

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Speaker 3: who was trying to get everyone to like do the Purge, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The cyber Trek, former Green Beret guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is the kind of thing that you

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Speaker 3: would have seen during the original years of Lead.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So for people who don't know what the original years

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Speaker 3: people are using to understand what's going on now, and

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Speaker 3: I think there are problems with that that we'll get to.

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Speaker 3: But the original years of Lead are this period from

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Speaker 3: I mean that there's you know, you can you can

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Speaker 3: start in a couple different places, but like roughly sort

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Speaker 3: of like the sixties through the eighties, like early mid

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Speaker 3: eighties in Italy that are this period of really really

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Speaker 3: intensifies in the seventies is really really intense period of

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Speaker 3: political violence in Italy. It is largely a right wing

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Speaker 3: reaction to this massive series of uprisings in Italy. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the whole the whole sixties in Italy are a time

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's first factory occupations are like

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Speaker 3: occupations in nineteen sixty eight, which are sort of a

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Speaker 3: global phenomena. But then also the next year, there is

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Speaker 3: an Evans called and this is literally the term for it,

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Speaker 3: the Hot Autumn of sixty nine, which.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna really a.

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Speaker 3: Nice great yeah, which which was this massive like a

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Speaker 3: second series of like you know, workers taking over factories

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Speaker 3: and starting like factory councils, and like, there are so

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Speaker 3: many communist factions that, like the communist faction that's doing

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Speaker 3: this stuff, they have mutated to a point where they're

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Speaker 3: And this has becomes like a major influence on like

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Speaker 3: American anarchism later and in response to the fact that

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Speaker 3: these people very nearly on multiple occasions, like very nearly,

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Speaker 3: this strategy of using terrorist attacks and using political violence

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Speaker 3: like more fascist and then eventually just a straight up

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Speaker 3: like restore the power of the Nazis, et cetera, et cetera. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's us selling these people Italian fascists, the

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Speaker 3: these people are very weird Italians.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, these people are Italians.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he said, Kisses. One of the big opening

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Speaker 3: things is that the Piazza Fontana bombing, which is this

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Speaker 3: The Italian state, which will go on to admit a

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Speaker 5: I think this guy died.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of a lot of anarchists are lazy.

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Speaker 2: I can see, I can see it happening.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is a good play that I took part

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Speaker 5: in during high school called Accidental Death of an Anarchist

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Speaker 5: by Dario Foe. Yeah, which you can enjoy.

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Speaker 2: This is the most like James backstory moment ever seen before.

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Speaker 2: This is wild. Yeah, WHOA someone, someone update the icy

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Speaker 2: HH wiki page James backstory. This is great. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: In my theater era, who did you play? I can't remember?

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Speaker 5: It was tragic twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: You should you should have remembered.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I know. It was very fun. We had a

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Speaker 5: and I'm sure all eight people who watched it also

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Speaker 3: So in less fun times, So this bombing was actually

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Speaker 3: carried out by a group called Ordine Nouvo, which is

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Speaker 3: it's literally new order fascist groups only have four names.

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Speaker 3: And this is a group that was aided by a

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Speaker 3: these fascist terror cells. And they do a lot of these, right,

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Speaker 3: They do a lot of bombings and they and they

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Speaker 3: one is the Bologna train bombing, which killed like eighty

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: This is also a period where like there is real

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Speaker 3: one of the things they kidnap bosses and have like

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Speaker 2: Just like in the Dark Knight Rises by Marxist historian

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Speaker 3: God. I see, I thought you were gonna say, just

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Speaker 3: like cancel culture.

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Speaker 2: But just like just like what the right's doing right

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Speaker 2: now for anyone who posts about Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: But but there was also stuff like like for example,

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Speaker 3: I like killed the police officer who was interrogating Guiseppe Pinelli.

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Speaker 3: So you know, like there are left wing assassinations. A

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Speaker 3: But the important thing about this period, right, and this

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Speaker 3: eventually works, it does destroy the left. But the important

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Speaker 2: But actual organized factions anya a legitimate armed struggle.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the Red Brigade are literally organized in a

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Speaker 3: But this is also true of like this is also

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Speaker 3: of group I mean, you know, like obviously like autonomia

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Speaker 3: And the strategy of tension is being deliberately managed by

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Speaker 3: not even cla. Yeah, the Charlie Kirk assassination is neither

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Speaker 3: nor was it a guy who's like a CIA agent

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Speaker 5: Like just a guy. It's a guy who got.

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Speaker 2: Reddit gamer and discord political violence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these are these are these, These are decentralized acts

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Speaker 3: being fueled by sort of radicalization. But they're not like

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Speaker 2: I mean some of them aren't even fueled by radical

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Speaker 2: Like even even the word radicalization here is sometimes in miscount.

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Speaker 2: This one in particular is like not that really a degree.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's also worth noting that like from the

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Speaker 2: Well some people would argue otherwise.

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Speaker 3: Lives Matter activists who weren't the ones in the NGO

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Speaker 3: suddenly turned up dead. That's the closest thing, right, And

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Speaker 3: that's not even a like, we know they did this,

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Speaker 3: that's a like and that was and that was over

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Speaker 3: a decade ago. Yeah, right, that this is this is

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Speaker 3: same series of uprisings that like all of this fascist

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Speaker 3: response to Ferguson, it's response to twenty twenty. But like

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Speaker 3: in American years of lead doesn't really work because we're

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Speaker 3: dealing with something way weirder, yeah, and way less concrete.

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Speaker 2: Which is why we're calling it something else, the years

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Speaker 2: of lead paint, because these people are just like because

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Speaker 2: it is not the result of this large scale like

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Speaker 2: deep state orchestration, nor these legitimate organized fashions. Everyone is

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Speaker 2: simply brain rotted.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually multiple months later for my workplace harassment training.

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Speaker 5: I can see why.

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Speaker 9: Matter, And don't play that bullshit with me.

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Speaker 9: What I'm saying is there was no demonization amplification about

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Speaker 5: With the healthcare stuff, like, we should probably point out

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Speaker 2: So that's the political background that these people on the

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Speaker 2: of terrorism or domestic violent extremism. Quote. Since nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 2: far right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides

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Speaker 2: than far left or radical Islamist extremists, including two hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty seven events that took more than five hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty lives. In the same period, far left extremists

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Speaker 2: committed forty two ideologically motivated attacks that took seventy eight lives.

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Speaker 2: So this study has been scrubbed from the website to

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Speaker 2: follow in line with Trump and the right's general talking

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Speaker 2: points about this spike in left wing violence. I think

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Speaker 2: in part, the right would view explicit white supremacist, neo

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Speaker 2: Nazi linked violence as like separate from like, you know,

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Speaker 2: conservative even some like far right violence. They don't understand

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Speaker 2: the linkage from you know, explicit white supremacist mass shootings

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Speaker 2: and you know, make America great again. Right, That's something

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Speaker 2: that they would like reject as a legitimate coupling.

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Speaker 5: In Congress today cashpitel that claimed to have no idea

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Speaker 5: who did? Then Rufe was correct and like what he

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Speaker 5: was about.

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Speaker 2: A lot of them just aren't aware of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just this National Institute Justice study. These

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Speaker 2: findings are incredibly consistent across multiple studies. The notably not

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Speaker 2: left wing Cato Institute found very similar results in their

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Speaker 2: analysis of six hundred and twenty politically motivated murders since

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five, excluding nine to eleven, most political violence

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Speaker 2: comes from the right. They counted three hundred ninety one

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Speaker 2: murders from the right and sixty five from the left.

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Speaker 2: Can link that below to get a better look at

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Speaker 2: their actual methodology and what they count as right wing

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Speaker 2: what they count as left wing violence. But these stats

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Speaker 2: simply don't matter to the right. In a lot of cases,

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Speaker 2: many average rightists will just reject these results altogether, say

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Speaker 2: that the study is faked or had faulty methodology, But

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Speaker 2: others might frame it as even if this data is true,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't match the current trend of escalating left wing violence,

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Speaker 2: specifically targeted left wing violence, not just mass shootings. Here's

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Speaker 2: another clip from Fox's The Five.

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Speaker 9: I Understand why people are saying what about this?

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Speaker 4: And what about this?

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Speaker 9: Because if you have to face the underlying fact to this,

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Speaker 9: your life is going to fall apart because you're going

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Speaker 9: to realize you're not the good guys. If you sat

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Speaker 9: around and you defended the mutilation of children, you're not

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Speaker 9: the good guys.

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Speaker 4: If you sat six hundred seven.

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Speaker 9: Hundred cases of harassment against Republicans and you said, but

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Speaker 9: what about this?

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Speaker 4: What about this?

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Speaker 9: And then you see this murder after calling somebody a

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Speaker 9: fashion you fascist, you realize maybe I'm not the good guy.

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Speaker 9: That is a hell of a realization to deal with.

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Speaker 9: So therefore, therefore you have to grasp at rationalizations.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to do that, Jessica. They do. I

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Speaker 4: don't believe you're part of that group.

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Speaker 9: But why the hell do you have to mimic an

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Speaker 9: echo that.

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Speaker 4: Crap to us? He was a patsy. That guy was

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Speaker 4: a patsy.

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Speaker 9: He was under the hypnotic spell of a direct to

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Speaker 9: consumer nihil, the trans cult. And you know that if

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Speaker 9: you can decide that biology is false, you can agree

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Speaker 9: that that murder is okay and that humanity is expendable.

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Speaker 9: How you cannot see that.

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Speaker 4: Alone and see that for what.

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Speaker 9: The evil it is without having to attach all of

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Speaker 9: these other things is beyond me.

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Speaker 5: His explicit claim that we should just like flag is

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Speaker 5: that it's not He's not necessarily talking about leftists as

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Speaker 5: a whole. He's specifically talking about people who accept the

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Speaker 5: trans people are people of being and like that the

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Speaker 5: existence of trans people leads to this nihilism.

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Speaker 2: I guess, well, yeah, I mean they see the existent

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Speaker 2: trans people as like a result of this nihilist culture, right, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, he seemed to put the cause all hour the

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Speaker 5: other way though, in that he seemed to suggest that

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Speaker 5: the nihilism comes from accepting trans people.

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't fully agree that that's how he's

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Speaker 2: saying it. I think they view it as it's both

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Speaker 2: caused but also a symptom. I think they play it

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Speaker 2: kind of both ways and showing how it's it's more

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Speaker 2: so just like the result of this like breakdown in

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Speaker 2: like a moral fabric, right, which is then breaking down

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Speaker 2: this like notion of reality, which is right, like you know,

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Speaker 2: transness is such an existential threat to the right wing

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Speaker 2: worldviewing like many senses. But that's another topic. I do

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Speaker 2: find it interesting how quick these people are just completely

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Speaker 2: discount right wing mass shootings, right, And I think one

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Speaker 2: key difference in talking about, you know, left wing violence

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Speaker 2: is right ring violence, it seems, and almost all their

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Speaker 2: examples here they're talking about assassinations targeted against specific people.

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Speaker 2: Most right wing violence in these like statistics from like

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Speaker 2: CATO and the National Institute of Justice are are mass shootings,

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Speaker 2: right that the number of individual people might not be

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Speaker 2: that different, but the kill count for right wing and

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Speaker 2: specifically like white supremacist attacks are so much higher. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's the actual numbers that matter to these people,

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Speaker 2: it's their proximity to being the recipient of such violence

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Speaker 2: that really freaks them out. For these commentators, the likelihood

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Speaker 2: of them being in a black church when a white

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Speaker 2: pharmacist mass shooting happens is slimtonon right, Like, that's never

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Speaker 2: gonna happen to these people, But being the victim of

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Speaker 2: targeted violence against a high profile figure is to them

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Speaker 2: it seems like an increasing possibility, and that really freaks

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Speaker 2: them out. Like obviously this type of attack directly affects

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Speaker 2: their political class in a way that a far right

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Speaker 2: mass shooting does not. I think that is influencing the

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Speaker 2: way that they're talking about this, you know, quote unquote

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Speaker 2: spike in left wing violence. We're gonna go on an

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Speaker 2: ad break and then return to talk about Jed Vance's

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Speaker 2: temporary takeover of the Charlie Kirk Show and how his

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Speaker 2: rhetoric is affecting this general debate on political violence. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we are back. On Monday, September fifteenth, Vice President jd

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Speaker 2: Vance hosted The Charlie Kirk Show from his office in

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Speaker 2: the White House Complex, the Vice President sitting down hosting

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Speaker 2: a private citizens radio talk show. The show's intro has

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Speaker 2: clips from Charlie's studio with signs that read big Gov

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Speaker 2: socks warning does not play well with liberals. To introduce

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Speaker 2: the show, Jade Vance says that, quote, we have to

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Speaker 2: talk about this incredibly destructive moment of left wing extremism

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Speaker 2: that has grown up over the last few years. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about how to dismantle that and how

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Speaker 2: to bring real unity unquote. His first guest was Stephen Miller.

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Speaker 2: Ben said he wanted to talk to Miller about quote

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Speaker 2: all the ways we're trying to figure out how to

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Speaker 2: prevent this festering violence that you can see from the

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Speaker 2: far left becoming even more and more mainstream.

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Speaker 7: You have the crazies on the far left were saying, Oh,

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Speaker 7: Stephen Miller and JD. Vance, they're going to go after

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Speaker 7: constitutionally protected speech, and we're going to go after the

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Speaker 7: NGO network that fomens facilitates and engages in violence that's

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Speaker 7: not okay. Violence is not okay in our system, and

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Speaker 7: we want to make it less likely that that happens.

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Speaker 7: Walk me through at a high level, like what you

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Speaker 7: and I have been working on, what the whole administration

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Speaker 7: has been working on to try to make sure that

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Speaker 7: we don't reward and promote this craziness.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so it's an excellent question. I've said this before,

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Speaker 1: but there's repeating. The last message that Charlie sent me

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Speaker 1: was I think it was just the day before we

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Speaker 1: lost him, which is that we need to have an

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Speaker 1: organized strategy to go after the lefting organizations that are

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Speaker 1: promoting violence in this country. And I will write those

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Speaker 1: words onto my heart and I will carry them out.

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Speaker 2: The NGO network.

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Speaker 5: Yep, Yeah, this has been a thing with them for

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Speaker 5: a while.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there was supposed to be a series of executive

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Speaker 2: orders that were drafted earlier this year, specifically targeting Democrat

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Speaker 2: funding platforms like Act Blue and environmental NGOs that it

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Speaker 2: was reported that Trump was about to sign and then

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Speaker 2: they kind of disappeared. This was around like April to May.

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Speaker 2: And this has been something that they obviously have been

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Speaker 2: wanting to do, but for one reason or another, haven't

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Speaker 2: followed through on yet. But now are are talking about

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Speaker 2: this as an impending policy that the Trump administration is

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Speaker 2: going to enact.

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Speaker 5: I think some of their fascination with NGOs comes from

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration's first term, when NGOs were very successful

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Speaker 5: in bringing suits that delayed or prevented some of the

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Speaker 5: policies that the mill of faction of the Trump administration

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Speaker 5: would have liked to implement.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I think the other angle of this

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Speaker 3: is just a pure idy Semitism mango that partly when

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Speaker 3: they're saying NGOs they mean NGO's and partly when they're

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Speaker 3: saying NGOs they mean Jews. And it's great.

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Speaker 5: It's very often this specific focus is on he s right,

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Speaker 5: highest Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Who I mean, we see

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Speaker 5: this in the Tree of Life shooting for instance in

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. Right, this has been with us for some

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Speaker 5: time on the right.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to play another clip where they outline more

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Speaker 2: strategies for clamping down on left wing violence.

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Speaker 1: And we are going to channel all of the anger

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Speaker 1: that we have over the organized campaign that led to

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Speaker 1: this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. So

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Speaker 1: let me explain a bit of what that means. So

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds, it'll be quick stephen the organized docs and campaigns,

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Speaker 1: the organized riots, the organized street violence, the organized campaigns

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Speaker 1: of dehumanization, vilification, posting people's addresses, combining that with messaging

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Speaker 1: this design to trigger inside violence, and the actual organized

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Speaker 1: cells that carry out facilitate the violence. It is a

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Speaker 1: vast domestic terror movement. And with the Goddess my witness,

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Speaker 1: we are going to use every resource we have at

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government

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Speaker 1: to identify, disrupt, dismantle, and destroy these networks and make

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Speaker 1: America safe again for the American people.

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Speaker 4: It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name.

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Speaker 2: So in their discussion of taking down this big doxing network,

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Speaker 2: they also inadvertently and ironically describe the doxing campaign that

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Speaker 2: the right is currently doing at a far larger scale

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Speaker 2: and with way more institutional backing than any antif for

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Speaker 2: left being, doxing has looked like targeting people making posts

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Speaker 2: in support of Charlie Kirk's assassination or people making jokes

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Speaker 2: about Charlie Kirk in the wake of his assassination, with

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Speaker 2: a doxing website listing thousands of quote unquote Charlie's murderers,

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Speaker 2: which are actually just people who have made posts about

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Speaker 2: the death of Charlie Kirk. This is building off the

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Speaker 2: Canary Mission strategy used against pro Palestinian Act savists, which

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Speaker 2: has been adopted by the State Department for Immigration Enforcement

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Speaker 2: and judging visa applications. This is the actual, like organized,

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Speaker 2: state backed, institutionally backed dosing campaign that exists right now

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Speaker 2: in this country. It's not your average torch Antifa chapter

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Speaker 2: doing this at scale now. It's the right with the

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Speaker 2: mechanism of state encouraging them, backing them, and tons of

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Speaker 2: money being funneled into an organized operation to actually impact

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Speaker 2: state policy on who gets allowed in the country. On

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Speaker 2: that note, Mark Rubio has talked about denying visa applications

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Speaker 2: for people who celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 10: We are not in the business of inviting people to

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Speaker 10: visit our country who are going to be involved in

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Speaker 10: negative and destructive behavior. Okay, so why should if I

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Speaker 10: invite someone? If we invite someone to visit the United

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Speaker 10: States of America as a student, as a tourist, as whatever,

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Speaker 10: then they have a different The standard they should be

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Speaker 10: held to is very high. We shouldn't be bringing people

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Speaker 10: into this country. We should not be giving visas to

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Speaker 10: people who are going to come to the United States

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Speaker 10: and do things like celebrate the murder, the execution, the

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Speaker 10: assassination of a political figure. We should not And if

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Speaker 10: they're already here, we should be revoking their visa.

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Speaker 2: So now there's an organized campaign to not only try

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Speaker 2: to deport and revoke visas or deny visas to people

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Speaker 2: quote unquote celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, but also

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Speaker 2: get citizens here fired from their jobs and disrupt their life.

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Speaker 2: Just two years ago, Elon Musk tweeted, quote, if you

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Speaker 2: were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or

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Speaker 2: liking something on this platform Twitter, we will fund your

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Speaker 2: legal bill, no limit. Please let us know unquote what's

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Speaker 2: different about the right use of these tactics is the

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Speaker 2: merger of like the right wing non government organization like

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Speaker 2: activist apparatus with the ruling conservative government. Like the Dems

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Speaker 2: in the left, have never done this before. There's never

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Speaker 2: been this coordination between the actual democratic establishment and like

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Speaker 2: the far left. That's never happened. Like Palestine crackdowns started

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Speaker 2: under Biden. Biden's DOJ prosecuted many twenty twenty, George Floyd

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Speaker 2: uprising cases, federal assistance, and the domesti terrorism investigation into

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Speaker 2: cop City started under Biden. As for quote unquote organized

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Speaker 2: riots and street violence, right wing street violence has been

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Speaker 2: encouraged and coordinated with Trump and the Trump administration stand

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Speaker 2: back and stand by to stop the steal protests leading

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Speaker 2: to January sixth, which Trump played a large part in

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Speaker 2: making happen, and then Trump pardoned all the participants.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's pretty clear.

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Speaker 2: The mayor of Minneapolis taking a knee is not on

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Speaker 2: the same level as Trump pardoning all the January sixth

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Speaker 2: quote unquote insurrectionists. At the end of Vance's two hour

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Speaker 2: long episode, he reiterated on the topic of doxing and harassment,

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Speaker 2: campaigns and political violence. Here's another clip.

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Speaker 7: I wrote a story in The Nation magazine about my

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Speaker 7: dear friend Charlie Kirk. Now The Nation is in a

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Speaker 7: fringe blog. It's a well funded, well respected magazine whose

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Speaker 7: publishing history goes back to the American Civil War. George

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Speaker 7: Soros's Open Society Foundation funds this magazine, as does the

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Speaker 7: Ford Foundation and many other wealthy titans of the American

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Speaker 7: progressive movement.

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Speaker 4: The writer accuses Charlie.

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Speaker 7: Of saying, and I quote, black women do not have

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Speaker 7: brain processing power to be taken seriously.

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Speaker 4: But if you go and watch the clip, the very.

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Speaker 7: Clip she links to, you realize he never said anything

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Speaker 7: like that. He never uttered those words. He made an

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Speaker 7: argument against affirmative action as a policy, He criticized a

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Speaker 7: specific Supreme Court justice as an individual. He never said

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Speaker 7: anything about black women as a group. He made an

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Speaker 7: argument for judging people of all races and backgrounds by

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Speaker 7: their own individual merits. The very evidence she provides, this

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Speaker 7: hack of a writer shows that she lied about a

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Speaker 7: dead man, and yet she wrote it, an esteemed magazine

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Speaker 7: published it, it made it through the editors, and of

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Speaker 7: course liberal billionaires rewarded that attack. Now, of course, even

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Speaker 7: if Charlie had uttered those words, It wouldn't mean that

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Speaker 7: he deserved his fate, But consider the level of propaganda

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Speaker 7: at work. Charlie was gunned down in broad daylight, and

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Speaker 7: well funded institutions of the left lied about what he

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Speaker 7: said so as to justify his murder.

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Speaker 4: This is soulless and evil.

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Speaker 7: But I was struck not just by the dishonesty of

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Speaker 7: this smear, but by the glee over a young husband's

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Speaker 7: and young father's death.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 7: She says he was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist.

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Speaker 7: The Nation wrote, who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to break down there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: First of all, the president of the Nation, not the

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Speaker 2: Country the magazine. The Nation magazine has stated that they,

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Speaker 2: in fact, do not receive money from George Soros or

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Speaker 2: the Open Society Foundation. Vance's gesturing two left wing billionaires

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Speaker 2: carries three parentheses around that term. Second of all, let's

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Speaker 2: play the actual clip of Charlie talking about brain processing power.

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Speaker 8: Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sila Jackson Lee and

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Speaker 8: Catangi Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks. We would have

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Speaker 8: been called the BIS. But now they're coming out and

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Speaker 8: they're saying it for us. They're coming out and they're saying,

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Speaker 8: I'm only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know,

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Speaker 8: you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise

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Speaker 8: be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a

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Speaker 8: white person slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

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Speaker 2: So he just happens to be talking about three black

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Speaker 2: women and state that they do not have the brain

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Speaker 2: processing power to do their jobs and that they stole

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Speaker 2: a white man's spot, yet in the position they are

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Speaker 2: in now. An opinion writer for The Washington Post was

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Speaker 2: fired this week for sharing this quote on Twitter, which

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Speaker 2: replaced the names of the three women's talking about with

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Speaker 2: just black women.

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Speaker 5: Did she share it like in between quotation marks if

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Speaker 5: it was a direct quotation.

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Speaker 2: She did share it as if it was a direct quotation.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I see.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to read this from the email that

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Speaker 3: they sent this writer firing her. This writer is a

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Speaker 3: black woman. Among other requirements, the company wide social media

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Speaker 3: policy mandates that all employees social media postings be respectful

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Speaker 3: and prohibits postings that disparage people based on their race, gender,

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Speaker 3: or other protected characteristics. The policy also mind's employees that

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Speaker 3: everything they post is reflective on the company and should

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Speaker 3: not affect the integrity of the post journalism. You're posting

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Speaker 3: some blue sky which identify you as a post columnist

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Speaker 3: about white men in response to the killing of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 3: do not comply with our policy. For example, you posted

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Speaker 3: refusing to tear my clothes and smear ashes on my

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Speaker 3: face and performative morning for a white man that espoused

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Speaker 3: violence is not the same thing as violence. And part

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Speaker 3: of what keeps America violent is the insistence that people

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Speaker 3: perform care, empty goodness and absolution for white men who

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Speaker 3: espoused hatred and violence. So this is explicitly a a

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Speaker 3: They think that reverse racism is real, and that's saying

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Speaker 3: that and talking about white people as a class of

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Speaker 3: people in the US that are responsible for things is

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Speaker 3: in fact racism. That is, that is the argument that

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Speaker 3: the post the Washington Post is making in the email

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Speaker 3: where they fire her, which is like that reverse racism shit,

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Speaker 3: even like three years ago was like a pretty fringe

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Speaker 3: right wing like like that was a knot. It was

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Speaker 3: originally like a Nazi thing, right And this is now

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Speaker 3: being used by like the Washington Post to fire their

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Speaker 3: own writers for writing really incredibly reasonable things about Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: To close Charlie Kirk's episode, and to close our episode.

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Speaker 4: JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance talked about before we can have any national unity,

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Speaker 2: we must, like Charlie, tell the truth.

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Speaker 7: Unity Real unity can be found only after climbing the

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Speaker 7: mountain of truth. And there are difficult truths we must

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Speaker 7: confront in our country. One truth is that twenty four

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Speaker 7: percent of self described quote very liberals believe it is

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Speaker 7: acceptable to be happy about the death of a political opponent,

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Speaker 7: while only three percent of self described very conservatives agree.

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Speaker 7: Three percent is too many, of course. Another truth is

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Speaker 7: that twenty six percent of young liberals believe political violence

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Speaker 7: is sometimes justified, and only seven percent of young conservatives

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Speaker 7: say the same. Again to high a number in a

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Speaker 7: country of three hundred and thirty million people. You can,

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Speaker 7: of course find one person of a given political persuasion

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Speaker 7: justifying this or that or almost anything, but the data

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Speaker 7: is clear people on the left are much likelier to

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Speaker 7: defend and celebrate political violence.

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Speaker 4: This is not a both sides problem.

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Speaker 7: If both sides have a problem, one side has a

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Speaker 7: much bigger and malignant problem, and that is the truth.

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Speaker 4: We must be told.

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Speaker 2: So these stats are from a recent you gov survey

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Speaker 2: where twenty four percent of very liberals to say it's

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Speaker 2: okay to be happy with the murder of a political opponent,

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Speaker 2: and twenty six percent of young liberals to say sometimes

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Speaker 2: political violence is justified for two seven percent of young conservatives.

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Speaker 2: This study also found that Democrats and Republicans are more

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Speaker 2: likely to say that political violence is a big problem

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Speaker 2: after attacks on members of their own party. Of course,

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Speaker 2: this polling is going to be heavily influenced by whatever

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Speaker 2: recent events just happened. That's going to change people's stated

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Speaker 2: opinion on these questions. After the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 2: sixty seven percent of Republicans so that political violence is

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Speaker 2: a very big problem. Fifty eight percent of Democrats agreed.

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Speaker 2: After the assassination of Melissa Hartman, fifty six percent of

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Speaker 2: Democrats said it's a very big problem. Only forty four

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Speaker 2: percent of Republicans agreed. After the assassination attempt on Josh Shapiro,

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Speaker 2: forty four percent of Democrats, thirty seven percent of Republicans.

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Speaker 5: Wait, just Shapiro wasn't assassinated?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 2: They tried to ban his houseing. Yeah, they're counting that

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Speaker 2: as an attempt assassination.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: After the attendive assassination on Donald Trump, fifty one percent

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Speaker 2: of Republicans said political balance is a very big problem,

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Speaker 2: forty six percent of Demi democrats, And after the attacks

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Speaker 2: on Paul Pelosi, fifty three percent of Democrats said political

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Speaker 2: violence is a very big problem, compared to thirty one

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Speaker 2: percent of Republicans. These stats are very fluid and absolutely

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Speaker 2: changed depending on whatever current events were current at the time,

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Speaker 2: whatever just happened. We're going to talk about this more

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Speaker 2: in a bit, but I think the way that we

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Speaker 2: frame cheering on political violence also massively varies based on

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Speaker 2: what you count as political violence. Is a police killing

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Speaker 2: count as political violence? If so, that's going to majorly

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Speaker 2: affect the way we think about this question. Here's Vance

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Speaker 2: again talking about Trump's assassination and the pyramid that supports

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Speaker 2: political violence.

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Speaker 7: Now, any political movement, violent or not violent.

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Speaker 4: Is a collection of forces.

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Speaker 7: It's like a pyramid that stacks on top one support

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Speaker 7: on top of the other. That Peermid's got a foundation

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Speaker 7: of donors, of activists, of journalists. Now, social media influenceers

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Speaker 7: and of course, of politicians. Not every member of that

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Speaker 7: pyramid would commit a murder. In fact, over ninety nine

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Speaker 7: percent I'm sure would not. But by celebrating that murder,

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Speaker 7: apologizing for it, and emphasizing not Charlie's innocence, but the

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Speaker 7: fact that he said things some didn't like, even to

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Speaker 7: the point of lying about what he actually said, many

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Speaker 7: of these people are creating an environment where things like

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Speaker 7: this are inevitably going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Benson goes on to talk about how people yelled at

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Speaker 2: him and his family when he visited Disneyland, and discusses

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Speaker 2: how after Charlie's death, one of his friends and a

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Speaker 2: senior White House staffer had left leaning operatives in his neighborhood,

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Speaker 2: passing out leaflets telling people what he looked like and

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Speaker 2: where he'd lived, and quote encouraging neighbors to harass him

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Speaker 2: or God forbid to do worse. While he was mourning

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Speaker 2: his dead friend, he and his wife had to worry

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Speaker 2: about the political terrorists drawing a big target on his home.

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Speaker 2: He shares with his own children. Are these people violent?

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Speaker 2: I hope not? But are they guilty of encouraging violence?

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Speaker 2: You damn well better believe it. We can thank God

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Speaker 2: that most Democrats don't share these attitudes, and I do.

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Speaker 2: While acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a

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Speaker 2: lunatic fringe, a minority, but a growing and powerful minority

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Speaker 2: on the far left, Vansk goes on to state that

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Speaker 2: he seeks no unity with the far left.

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Speaker 7: There is no unity with people who scream at children

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Speaker 7: over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone

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Speaker 7: who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to

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Speaker 7: excuse his murder.

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Speaker 4: There is no.

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Speaker 7: Unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day

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Speaker 7: after the father of that family lost a dear friend.

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Speaker 7: There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie

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Speaker 7: Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people

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Speaker 7: who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these

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Speaker 7: terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband

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Speaker 7: and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he

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Speaker 7: spoke words with which they disagree.

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Speaker 4: Did you know that the George Soros.

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Speaker 7: Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the groups who

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Speaker 7: funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, Do you know

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Speaker 7: they benefit from generous tax treatment. They are literally subsidized

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Speaker 7: by you and me, the American taxpayer. And how do

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Speaker 7: they reward us by setting fire to the house built

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Speaker 7: by the American family over two hundred and fifty years.

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Speaker 2: On September thirteenth, Fox and News Morning host Brian Kilmeade

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Speaker 2: endorsed youuthanizing homeless people with quote involuntary lethal injection or something.

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Speaker 2: Just kill them.

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Speaker 6: Billions of dollars some mental health and the homeless population.

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Speaker 6: A lot of them don't want to take the programs.

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Speaker 6: A lot of them don't want to get the help

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Speaker 6: that is necessary. You can't give them a choice. Either

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Speaker 6: you take the resources that we're going to give you

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Speaker 6: and or you decide that you got to be locked

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Speaker 6: up in jail.

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Speaker 11: That's the way it has to be now, or involuntary

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Speaker 11: lethal injection or something.

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Speaker 10: I just kill him, Jim, Brian, Why did it have

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Speaker 10: to get to this point?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 11: I would say this, we're not voting for the right

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Speaker 11: people in North Carolina.

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Speaker 8: Wake up.

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Speaker 2: Just kill them.

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Speaker 5: Geez.

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Speaker 2: A Fox News host advocating the killing of homeless people,

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Speaker 2: and he didn't get fired from this. He apologized a

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Speaker 2: few days later, but he's not getting fired from his

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Speaker 2: job for this openly advocating the death of homeless people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, murder, And I think it's worth noting whatever we're

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Speaker 3: having a discussion about political violence, that two days after

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was shot, Ice just killed a guy in

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Speaker 3: Chicago who was driving away from their attempt to detain him.

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Speaker 3: He was driving away pretty slowly and there's video of it.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 3: They pulled out their guns and they killed him. And

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Speaker 3: you know, all of these people, who are the people

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Speaker 3: who ordered Ice into this city, right, who are directly

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Speaker 3: responsible for the deaths of this man who was also

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Speaker 3: a single father. Actually well, no, Kirk was not a

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Speaker 3: single father, but this guy was and was just murdered

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Speaker 3: in cold blood by Ice.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: This is not considered political violence by sort of either

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Speaker 3: liberals or conservatives, right, because they don't think that political

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Speaker 3: violence can be done by the state. And this is

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Speaker 3: also part of how you get to the situation now

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Speaker 3: where you can be like, well, the states should just

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Speaker 3: murder homeless people and that's not considered political violence because

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Speaker 3: it's the state doing it and because they don't think

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Speaker 3: homeless people are people.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to broaden that statement slightly or take

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Speaker 5: a different angle on it, right, Like there is a

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Speaker 5: complete bipartisan consensus that we should kill hundreds of people

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Speaker 5: a year acrossing our southern border because that supposedly serves

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Speaker 5: as a deterrent from other people coming, which it doesn't.

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Speaker 5: But that is not seen as political violence.

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Speaker 3: Now, they just murdered three more people on a boat

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Speaker 3: like leaving Venezuela a few days ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Events ended the Charlie Kirk Show episode. He advocated that

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Speaker 2: listeners find and call the employers of people celebrating Charlie

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Speaker 2: Kirk's death to join a TEPA USA chapter or to

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Speaker 2: run for office.

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Speaker 7: But I promise you that we will explore every option

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Speaker 7: to bring real unity to our country and stop those

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Speaker 7: who would kill their fellow Americans because they don't like

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Speaker 7: what they say.

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Speaker 4: But you have a role too. Civil society, Charlie.

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Speaker 7: Understood this well, is not just something that flows from

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Speaker 7: the government. It flows from each and every one of us.

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Speaker 7: It flows from all of us. So when you see

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Speaker 7: someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell, call

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Speaker 7: their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we

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Speaker 7: do believe in civility, and there is no civility in

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Speaker 7: the celebration of political assassination.

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Speaker 5: The idea of the fusion of the state with civil

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Speaker 5: society is really notable there, Like, that's not what civil

959
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Speaker 5: society is, right, That is a concept that is inherently totalitarian,

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Speaker 5: that civil society should flow downstream from the state and

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Speaker 5: the movement.

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Speaker 2: It's this fusion between the two that the right has

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Speaker 2: deployed so successfully, Yeah, which has increased their ability to

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Speaker 2: actually like rule.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's that's what fatism does, right, Like

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Speaker 5: that that's yeah, Franco, that's Hitler like, like that is textbook.

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Speaker 2: That's like the point of the brown Shirts, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Or like the Women's movement in Spain. Right to give

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Speaker 5: a more civil society example, they're not like they're not

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Speaker 5: like a state police agency. There are a civil society

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Speaker 5: organization explicitly run by the state for its agenda.

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Speaker 2: So to return to the years of lead Paint idea

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Speaker 2: that opened this episode, what I'm observing right now across

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Speaker 2: the political ocean is this flattening of tactics. As I

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Speaker 2: discussed on the show before in the Blue on episodes,

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Speaker 2: the right trojan horst political conspiracism into acceptable political discourse,

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Speaker 2: which the left is now embracing. Liberals and the left,

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Speaker 2: and you can see this with people's reactions to the

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Speaker 2: Charter assassination and theories about the alleged shooter. So the

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Speaker 2: left is embracing conspiracy theories. Meanwhile the right is adopting

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Speaker 2: and accelerating political cancel culture style docsing. The key difference

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Speaker 2: here is on the right, these actions have state backing

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Speaker 2: and coordination, or serve to maintain state power. For example,

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Speaker 2: there's types of political violence that get cheered on by

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Speaker 2: the right, such as deportations and the cheering on of

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Speaker 2: police after officer involved shootings. Back the blue keeps alignment

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Speaker 2: with state power. Same thing with cheering on or encouraging

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Speaker 2: violence against BLM protesters that supports the state structure and

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Speaker 2: advocating or celebrating the deaths of protesters gets viewed very

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Speaker 2: differently than the targeted assassinations that have happened the past

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Speaker 2: year and now the past few days, Trump has discussed

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Speaker 2: once again designating Antifa and other groups as domestic terror

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Speaker 2: organizations and bringing RICO charges against Code Pink activists who

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Speaker 2: screamed at him at a restaurant in d C a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Do you plan on designating Antifa finally a domestic terror organization.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's something I would do, Yeah, if I have

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Speaker 7: support from the people back here.

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Speaker 4: I think would start with PAM, I.

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Speaker 3: Think, but I would if you give me, I would

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Speaker 3: do that one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: And others also, by the way, but Antifa is terrible.

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Speaker 2: There are other groups. Yeah, there are other groups.

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Speaker 3: We have some pretty radical groups and they got away

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Speaker 3: with murder.

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Speaker 4: And also I've been speaking to.

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Speaker 7: The Attorney General about bringing RICO against some of the

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Speaker 7: people that you've been reading about that have been putting

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Speaker 7: up millions and millions of dollars for agitation.

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Speaker 4: This is these aren't protests.

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Speaker 3: These are crimes what they're doing where they're throwing bricks

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Speaker 3: at cars of the of Ice and Border Patrol. I

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Speaker 3: want to close by. You know, we've seen the sort

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Speaker 3: of repercusions that people have had, not even for like

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Speaker 3: celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, but for like being like, wait,

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Speaker 3: this guy fucking sucks and this whole you know, this

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Speaker 3: whole argument about civility. And I mean that, I mean

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Speaker 3: the Vice President of the United States is making right.

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Speaker 3: I want to read this quote from Matt Walsh as

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Speaker 3: we're recording this This is from Tuesday, September sixteenth. This

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Speaker 3: was left wing LGBT terrorism. There was never much doubt.

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Speaker 3: Now there is none at all. All left wing terror

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Speaker 3: networks must be crushed, all of the terrorists and their

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Speaker 3: helpers and funders must be arrested, prosecuted, and put to death.

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Speaker 3: So and there have been absolutely zero consequences for again

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Speaker 3: Matt Walsh calling for this whole network of people that

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Speaker 3: he imagines exists being executed. That's their endgame, right, It

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Speaker 3: is to destroy the concept of free speech in order

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Speaker 3: to preserve quote unquote free speech right, in order to

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Speaker 3: sort of quote unquote end political violence. They want to

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Speaker 3: carry out, you know, mass political killings of their opponents,

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Speaker 3: coordinated at a state level with state resources.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the state involvement makes it okay, That makes

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Speaker 2: it a moral action, not the actions of some like

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Speaker 2: unhinged terrorist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And this is a really significant problem for the

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Speaker 3: way that we think about political violence, because this is

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Speaker 3: something that's true for both liberals and conservatives that they

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Speaker 3: think that the state is the appropriate arbiter for this

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Speaker 3: kind of political violence, which is how Obama can do

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Speaker 3: a drone strike on a sixteen year old American citizen

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Speaker 3: and kill him in cold blood because Obama had political

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Speaker 3: disagreements with his father, right, and how this is some

1045
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Speaker 3: treated as something that's fine by a huge portion of liberals.

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Speaker 3: And this is one of the things that's going to

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Speaker 3: allow if these people are successful, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: that they will be, but if they can be, that's

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Speaker 3: going to be.

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Speaker 2: Why well, that is how we at the show understand

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Speaker 2: the years of lead Pain, or the current twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five Timber era of the years of lead Paint. There's

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Speaker 2: phantoms everywhere, there's conspiracies everywhere and nowhere, and the specter

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Speaker 2: of political violence is around every corner.

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