1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Rivercafe, Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Adami Studios. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: Austin Butler is a winner. He beats me at carts, 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: knows how to cook a wild salmon on the grill, 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: and when we had a dinner every Sunday night for 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: a year when he was filming in London, he always 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: arrived with a new book, he was reading, a piece 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: of pottery he just made, or a rare bottle of tequila. 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: We first recorded this podcast in May twenty twenty one, 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: but we wanted to play it for you again in 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: case you hadn't heard it. It is one of my 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: definite favorites, just like Austin. If you like listening to 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: Ruthie's Table four, would you please make sure to rate 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: and review the podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you. My favorite 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: line in this conversation is when Austin Butler refers to 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: his and my relationship as family. Austin arrived here from 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: filming Baz Luhrmann's movie Elvis, playing Elvis himself. London was 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: just out of COVID lockdown and leading an immediate tradition 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: we decided to have dinner at my home every Sunday 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: night with the same small group of friends. Austin would 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: turn up early and cook with me, and this is 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: what we did every Sunday for thirty nine weeks. Austin 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: is a brilliant actor, a beautiful singer, a poet, and 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: a true friend. And Austin is my family. So Austin, 26 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: you and I are here in the River Cafe to 27 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: talk about food, our memories, travel and a lot more. 28 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: But maybe we should just start with Australia. 29 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: I was in Australia for a year and a half. 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: I was making Elvis with Basil Rman. 31 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: Did he have food on set? Did you sit down 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: to meals? 33 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, we did this thing. 34 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: It's I'm realizing it's a very European sort of thing 35 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 3: where you have these rolling lunches, which basically means you 36 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: don't have a lunch break. You eat while you're filming. 37 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 3: And I actually kind of like it because it keeps 38 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: the momentum of filming. And so while we were filming 39 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 3: a lot of times it was just I was eating 40 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: for It was like gasoline, you know, I was eating 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: for energy. I just gathered making the most thing black hand. 42 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: And then when we wrapped, Bas and I were at 43 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: his house and there was a small group of us, 44 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: and it was the night that we wrapped it was 45 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 3: it was the first time that he and I both 46 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: sort of were able. 47 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: To go, ah, we did it. 48 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 3: You know, we've been working on this for I've been 49 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: at times for about two and a half years at 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: that point, maybe three years. He'd been doing this for 51 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: long or five or eight years or something. And we 52 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: we just we danced until the sun came up. We 53 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: just yeah, well we had a little group there, but 54 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: we we just put on vinyl records and we just danced, 55 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: and we ate oysters and we just we just lived life. 56 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: It was like this feeling of letting our hair down. 57 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: And then the sun started to come up and and 58 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: Bas looked out and he lived across the street from 59 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: the sea, and he said, should we go swim in 60 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: the ocean right now? And this is the night that 61 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: we wrapped the film, and so we both we were like, yeah, 62 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: let's do it. So we ran across the street and 63 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: we jumped in the ocean. And it's like five and 64 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: morning now, and we swam in the ocean, and so 65 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: the sun's rising, and I was gonna not go that 66 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: night as well, and I said, I said, Baz, I 67 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 3: can't believe I was going to go to sleep tonight. 68 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: And he started singing nessa dorma and he goes, no 69 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: sleep tonight, No sleep tonight, and he starts singing this 70 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: opera and I hadn't really heard that song, and he 71 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: was telling me the story of the opera and then 72 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: he said, I'll play it for you when we get 73 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: back to the shore. And he went back to the 74 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: shore and I kind of took a second from myself 75 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: in the ocean where it's just me. I just watched 76 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: the sun rise, and I sort of processed all that 77 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: we had done. And you don't know the final outcome 78 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: of a film. You hope that you did everything you 79 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: possibly could and you gave every bit of your soul, 80 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: but you don't know how it's going to be received. 81 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: But at that moment, I just kind of processed all 82 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: that we had, the work that we had done, and 83 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: the joy and the love that we'd put into it. 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 4: And I sort of had that moment. 85 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 3: And then as I sort of slowly walked back the shore, 86 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: I look at Baz and he's holding a speaker above 87 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 3: his head like John Cusack can say anything. 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: And he's playing nessa. 89 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: Daughter, the Pavarieti version, and it's blaring at like five 90 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: point thirty in the morning now on the beaches of 91 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: the Gold Coast. It was so magical and cinematic. And 92 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: then we made breakfast. What was that we made? We 93 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: looked in the refrigerator and thought, okay, what can we make? 94 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: Because he and I both had been working so hard, 95 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: and there's this thing about filming where you're there's so 96 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: many responsibilities that other people end up almost treating you 97 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: like you're a child. In many areas, they walk you 98 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: to the bathroom. You know, if I said i'm when 99 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: I go to the trailer, they walk me there and 100 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: to make sure I don't get lost. They treat you 101 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: like you can't do anything, and they bring you your food, 102 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: and so you're very spoiled in many ways. But there's 103 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: something so relieving about that moment when you're finally able 104 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: to do something for yourself. And and so he and 105 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: I that was our moment. We opened the refrigerator and 106 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: we saw that, Okay, we got eggs, we got asparagus, 107 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: we got some spinach, there, we got some tomatoes, we 108 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: got some farmers and cheese. 109 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 4: What can we do? And so we kind of just 110 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 4: made this breakfast. 111 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: And there's this loaf of bread, and so we cut 112 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: off bits of this bread and we toasted it and 113 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: just made this delicious meal. And that's one of the 114 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: most glorious memories of my life. Was like after we 115 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: finished this thing that was so terrifying and daunting, and 116 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: that we gave it everything we could and then then 117 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: we just sat there and as the morning sun sort 118 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: of laid down on us and ate that breakfast, and 119 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: it was so glorious. 120 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: It's it's about memories, isn't it. It's about the time. 121 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: And what about Tarantine? Now? Was he interested in food? 122 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah. 123 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: Remember one night we were we were doing night shoots 124 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: and it was about three in the morning. He had 125 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: this amazing crape maker come and make crapes and we. 126 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 4: Were eating these amazing crapes and. 127 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: He said, he said, Austin, you know, my thing is 128 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: I want to give everybody such a good experience on 129 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: this job that their next job sucks. 130 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: And it was such a wonderful thing. 131 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: So every every night there would be some new food 132 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 3: thing that he would, he would organize, so you just 133 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: had this thing to look forward to. And and the 134 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: other thing that he did was after every hundred rolls 135 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: of film, which, believe it or not, this was the 136 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: first time I had shot anything on film, because everything 137 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: since I grew up was on digital essentially with every 138 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: person that I had worked with, and so that was 139 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: really special just hearing the sound of the film going 140 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: through the camera when you're sitting in the car. But 141 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: every hundred rolls of film, you'd throw a party and 142 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: it would have a theme. So he'd have you know, 143 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: Groppo would come out and so everybody and they'd be 144 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: singing these songs, and or Margarita's would come out and 145 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: he'd have a mariachi band or so every hundred rolls, 146 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: whether it be ten in the morning or you know, 147 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: three in the morning, it was something to look forward to. 148 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: I think that does actually give people a kind of 149 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: commitment to the person you're working for. You know that 150 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: they're taking care of you, know they're thinking about you, 151 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: they're recognizing that you're working hard and that you want 152 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: to give them something back. It's a lot, doesn't it. Yeah, 153 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: When you lived by yourself and you once told me 154 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: that you chose a house in Los Angeles because it 155 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: had a pizza oven. 156 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: Oh that was great. 157 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this beautiful house that had belonged to Gary 158 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: Oldman before and he had built a pizza oven. And 159 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: I became obsessed with learning how to make the perfect 160 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: fire and this pizza oven, the specific type of wood 161 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: and exactly how to lay it. And I got one 162 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: of those laser temperature gauges so I could make it 163 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: a thousand degrees and learn how to make the pizza 164 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 3: sauce and the dough and everything. And it was actually 165 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: Christmas that I made the most pieces, I think, and 166 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: the first couple kind of came out rough and then 167 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: and then started to get really into the zone of it. 168 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 4: And it was amazing to me. 169 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 3: How you have I. 170 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 4: Asked, you could cook a pizza? 171 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that he in that heat thirty seconds for 172 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 3: forty five seconds, and you can cook a whole pizza. 173 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I cooked pizzas for. 174 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 3: My whole family, and such a great experience just getting 175 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: to feed them and the special thing of all kind 176 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: of being around the fire and and we had this 177 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: table out there and it sort of looked like the 178 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: Secret Garden as well in his backyard and cooked all 179 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: these pizzas, and then I started getting into other things. 180 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 4: I thought, what else can I cook it this fire? 181 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: And there's a restaurant in la called Pacha that is 182 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: in Laurel Canyon that makes this salmon on a cedar plank, 183 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: and so I thought, I want to learn how to 184 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 3: make that. 185 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: And so I ended up getting these. 186 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: Cedar planks and soaking them in water and putting the 187 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: salmon on top and seasoning it and sticking it in 188 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 3: the wood fire. It came out so incredibly. 189 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: This is something solitary. When I talked to Michael Caine, 190 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: he said that he'd loved to write a book Yeah, 191 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: to a Garden, and he liked to cook because doing 192 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: a movie, you are surrounded by hundreds of people surrounded 193 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: whatever you're doing. You just describe being walked to the 194 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: bathroom or trying to find your trail. There's always someone around. 195 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: And then he chose three solitary things that you can 196 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: do on your own. So it sounds like maybe that 197 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: cooking was something that you could do without. 198 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely it makes you feel self sufficient. 199 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also giving back to the people that you 200 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: want to feed. 201 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it becomes my love language in a way. I 202 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: cook so much for the people around me. I'll look 203 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: into their eyes when they're eating it and try to 204 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: see if they love it as much as they say 205 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: they do, and try to figure out ways of making 206 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: it better. 207 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: And it sounds the way you're talking about it, like 208 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,239 Speaker 2: a performance. 209 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 210 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: Do you think there are parallels between acting or performing 211 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: or singing and cooking looking into people's eyes and seeing 212 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: how they are responding to your performance. 213 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely grilled white peaches with amoretto. Serve six six ripe 214 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: white peaches, one vanilla pod, two tablespoons cast of sugar, 215 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty milli liters amoretto, preheat of into 216 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety degrees celsius. Heat a grill pan 217 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: until very hot. Cut each peach in half and remove 218 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: the stone. Place the peach halves cut side down on 219 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 3: the hot pan, and grill until slightly charred. Remove from 220 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 3: the pan and place face up on an oven proof dish. 221 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: Slice the vanilla pod lengthways and put with the sugar 222 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: into a mortar pound until the vanilla pod is broken 223 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: up and combined with the sugar. Scatter the vanilla sugar 224 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: over the peaches and pour over half off of the amaretto. 225 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: Bake for ten minutes or until the peaches are soft, 226 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: had the remaining amaretto, and serve hot or cold with 227 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: a spoonful of crim fresh. 228 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. 229 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: That sounds delicious. 230 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: Austin amaretto and Italian liqueur peaches grilled. Is that anything 231 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: to do with any food you grew up with in California? 232 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 233 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: So I was born in Anaheim, right near Disneyland, and 234 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: we used to have these We used to have trees 235 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: in the backyard that it wasn't We didn't have peaches, 236 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: but we had grapefruit trees and we had an orange 237 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: tree in the backyard. And so like the smell of 238 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: fresh fruit. I remember my mom picking it and us 239 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: having this fresh fruit and the kitchen and these lemons 240 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 3: and grapefruit. 241 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 4: So that's that's sort of what that made me think of. 242 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: Did your mom? Was she a good cook? 243 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: She was a great cook, and especially as the years 244 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: went on, I remember eating a lot of fish sticks 245 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 3: and you know, the things that you'd get in the 246 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: freezer aisle, and little corn dogs that she would make. 247 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: Because when I was born, she wanted to be a 248 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 3: stay at home mom, and she was a dental high 249 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: genist at the time, and then she ended up starting 250 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: daycare out of the house, and so she would watch 251 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: the children of the mothers who taught at the school 252 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: right right around the corner that I eventually went to 253 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: elementary school there, and so so we always had little 254 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: children in the house, and so she had to make 255 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: these meals that were really quick and easy. So as 256 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: a kid, I just remember eating those and tuna fish 257 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: sandwiches and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and so nothing 258 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: really gourmet at all. And then as the years went on, 259 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 3: she became vegetarian, and then she became vegan, and then 260 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: she got really into making special things with portobello mushrooms 261 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: and bell pepper's stuffed with gooscous or. 262 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 4: Things like that. 263 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: So she got a little bit more into it later on, 264 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: But when I was growing up, it wasn't extremely healthy 265 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: in the house. It was it was kind of efficient meals, and. 266 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: She's probably working so hard. 267 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: She was working so much, and I mean there was 268 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: twelve kids in the house sometimes and yeah, all different ages. 269 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: And when I was when I started going to elementary school, 270 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: we lived around the corner from that same school, and 271 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: I would walk home every lunch and she'd have a 272 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: peanut butter and jelly sandwich waiting for me, and we 273 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: watched this home decorating show called Surprise by Design, and 274 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: then we would we would come up with things that 275 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: we were going to do around the house, and so 276 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: we we'd lay a brick path in the backyard or 277 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: plant little flowers or that sort of thing. We'd get 278 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: inspired by this show, and I just remember how excited 279 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: I was to walk home every day and just eat 280 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: the sandwich that she made for me, and how specially 281 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: that was. 282 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: It was a beautiful memory of your mother something for 283 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: you and going home for lunch. That's that's Would you 284 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: have dinner as well? Would you all sit down to 285 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: dinner or was that Well? 286 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: My parents divorced on I was seven, and a lot 287 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: of my memories go back to that time because it 288 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: was when sort of the stability of family split up 289 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: and my dad moved into this this person that he 290 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: worked with, He moved into their garage and they had 291 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: sort of a converted garage and we had a tiny 292 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: little miniature fridge and that was that was where we 293 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: kept all our groceries, and we had air mattresses that 294 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: we slept on and we put them down at night, 295 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: and then we put them up and we'd put down 296 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: a table during the day. 297 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 4: And so it was this one room. 298 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: That was our entire house, and it was just this 299 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: old garage and there was a treadmill in the corner 300 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: that was their old treadmill, and we would we would 301 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: make food there, and so we shared their kitchen betther 302 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: than that. We had sort of just this one room. 303 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: And I started cooking as a kid because with my 304 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: dad had he had work and so he would say, hey, 305 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: I'll pay you two dollars if you'd cook dinner tonight, 306 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: and so as a way that I could stock up 307 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: money as a kid was cooking dinner. And there was 308 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: like three staple things maybe, and one of the main 309 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 3: ones that I remember is burritos. We'd make Dennison's chili 310 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: bean burritos, which this can of beans with some sour 311 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: cream and cheese, and I haven't eaten one of those 312 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: in years, but we used to eat that every night. 313 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: And then a special occasion would be getting a five 314 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: dollars pizza from down the road or something like that. 315 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: So those were that was like the idea of a 316 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: fancy meal was ordering a pizza out when I was 317 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: a kid, which I think then years later coming to 318 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: a place like like your restaurant here, going to French 319 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: laundry for the first time or something like. 320 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: That, was was so felt. 321 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: I felt so out of my element in a way 322 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: when I first started going to really nice restaurants, because 323 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: you know, five dollars sounded like a lot for me 324 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: when I was a kid. 325 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: Would you do the shopping or would he order out? 326 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: Would you? 327 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: We would always we'd usually get a costco as a kid, 328 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 3: yeah and yeah, we'd get food and bulk and then 329 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 3: and make meals out of that. And then at a 330 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: certain point, I think when I moved I moved out 331 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: when I was seventeen, and I started wanted to learn 332 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: how to make food and wanted to know how flavors 333 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: fit together. And I started making some money, and so 334 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 3: I started trying restaurants in La Or and then I 335 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: worked in New York for the first time, and that 336 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: was really eye opening because you know, just getting to 337 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: try great little Italian restaurants. And I remember going to 338 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: Roberta's for the first time, which is this restaurant in 339 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: Brooklyn and a friend of mine who owned all these 340 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: restaurants in la he said, this is the restaurant that 341 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: made me want to open a restaurant. And uh so, 342 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: going to Roberta's and and trying there and it feels 343 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: a lot like here, where you feel like you're home, 344 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: you know you're and I realized I have a lot of. 345 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 4: Instability in my life. 346 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: There hasn't been a lot of continuity in many areas 347 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: of my life since I was young, just because I 348 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: travel a lot, and even the nature of doing a 349 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: film or a TV show, you sort of make a 350 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: family of the entire crew and then it splits up. 351 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: And through therapy, I sort of realized that that was 352 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: that I was almost like reliving my childhood of my 353 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 3: parents getting divorced, for you know, many years of making 354 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 3: a family and then it splits up, and you make 355 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: a family and it splits up. And so I'd seek 356 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 3: out ways of having stability and consistency and most of 357 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: that for me while on location, whether I was in 358 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: Vancouver or New Zealand or Australia or here in London 359 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: or wherever I was, I would find restaurants that became 360 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: my second home and I'd get to the point where 361 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: I'd go there every day and the staff then knew 362 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 3: me and I knew them, and suddenly it felt like 363 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 3: there was there was this thing that was separate from 364 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 3: my work, that felt like home. 365 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: Even if I've woken up with. 366 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: Anxiety, or if i feel sad or I feel overwhelmed, 367 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: I go to a restaurant, I think what you've created 368 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: here is so beautiful because I feel it here as well. 369 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 3: I'll come here with a book and you know, and 370 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: I get to see you, and I get to read, 371 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: and I know the people who work here, and that 372 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: goes even deeper because you and I have a family relationship. 373 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 2: Beyond that, I think I always say that in an 374 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: irregular world, we do need regular things. And I think 375 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: even if we have you know, your life, you know, 376 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: the way you describe it is very moving and very 377 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: honest and a revelation of who you are. But I 378 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: think that even if you have a consistency and you 379 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: have those foundations and you have that life, it's still 380 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: we seek out. You know, you talk to people about 381 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: the Sunday lunch, people going home for Sunday lunch or 382 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: Friday night supper, or Christmas the Christmas lunch has to 383 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: be the same every year, and so food does mean that, 384 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: doesn't It gives you a sense of stability. And I 385 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 2: always wanted a restaurant to feel like home. You know. 386 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 2: That is a place. I'm always amazed that people will 387 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: come to a restaurant even if they've had a really 388 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: bad day, you know, or something bad has happened. 389 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 4: Sometimes we need it on those days the most. 390 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that you come. 391 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 4: This morning, I. 392 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: Could hardly leave the house. I just felt anxious for 393 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: some reason. And then I got myself. I just said, 394 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: you know, I just got to get to the cafe. 395 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 3: And once you get there, then suddenly there's life around 396 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: you and it sort of buzzes and you feel humanity 397 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: wash over you and things that are happening outside of 398 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: your own experience. And then you eat delicious food and 399 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: that really helps. 400 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: Did you eat pizzas in Italy when you went on 401 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: that trip? You tell me that you took a road trip. 402 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a lot of pizza there. 403 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: Where did you start? 404 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 4: We took this. 405 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: One of the best trips I've ever taken was this. 406 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: Spent a month just road tripping through Italy. That was 407 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 3: probably four years ago. 408 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 4: Or something before. And we started in Milan. 409 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: Drove from Milan to the coast and went to port 410 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: Afino first, and I'd only ever spent maybe a week 411 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: in Italy before this, and that was incredible. And then 412 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: drove down and went to Chink with Tera and hiked 413 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 3: between the little villages and went through the venues there 414 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 3: had pasta. Oh my gosh, the best pesta pasta besides yours. 415 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: They can make a better one of mine, I'm not competitive. 416 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 3: Incredible, and then drove down to tell drove to Florence 417 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: and did that for a couple of days, and drove 418 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: out to this little bed and breakfast in Tuscany. It 419 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 3: was run by this beautiful Italian woman and her husband, 420 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: and they had two daughters, and one of the daughters 421 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: would play piano in the afternoon and you'd hear it 422 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: reverberating through the vineyard, and so it's just us and 423 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: this family, and she'd bring for catcha up and you'd 424 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: eat it around the pool in the afternoon and then 425 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 3: and then at night her husband would would One night 426 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 3: he caught a wild boar, and so then she made 427 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: this wild boar and it was just absolutely divine and 428 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 3: one of their daughters. Was dating a young man who 429 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: was eighteen years old that he was half Israelian half 430 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: Italian and he told me, he said, you know, I 431 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 3: am a pilot. And I said, oh, you're a pilot. 432 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: That's that's fantastic. And he said and he said, do 433 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: you know I can fly you if you want me to. 434 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: And I said, wow, yeah, I mean that would be cool. 435 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: But I thought, I'm not trusting our lives in this 436 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: eighteen year old kids' hands, you know. And then the 437 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: next night his mom came to dinner. She was in 438 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: the Israeli Air Force. She said, you know, he's actually 439 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 3: a very good pilot. I said, you know what, you 440 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 3: only live once. I mean, where can we go? And 441 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: he said, you know, I can fly you to Elba, 442 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: it's when. And I thought, well, last where Napoleon was exiled, 443 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: and you could go to that little island and that'd 444 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: be really cool. And I said, you know what, let's 445 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: do it. Let's I'll pay for guys, I'll pay for 446 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: the plane, whatever we need. And so we ended up 447 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: we end up getting in the car and he couldn't 448 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 3: drive a car, but he could fly a plane, and 449 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: so I drive us all It's me and my girlfriend 450 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: at the time, and him and his girlfriend, and we 451 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 3: drive up to Florence and we end up getting to 452 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: the little like separate private area of the airport and 453 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 3: we go through security, and then he ends up going 454 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: to a little garage and by hand pulling out a 455 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: little four seat or cessna, see you pictured this skinny 456 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: little Italian. Oh my gosh, he pulls this thing out 457 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 3: by hand. I'm thinking, oh my god, what are we 458 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 3: doing here? It felt like riding in a go kart 459 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 3: or something. And we get into the plane and go 460 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: through all the pre flight checks and then we take 461 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: off and he and then I can't hear him at all. 462 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: It's static in the headphones, and I see panic over 463 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: his face, and we we're in the air now and 464 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: we're flying. I'm thinking, he's the only person that can 465 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: land this plane. And there's panic on his face and 466 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: I can't hear him, and it's static. And then I 467 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: realized that he just couldn't figure out how to switch 468 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 3: a certain switch, and so we couldn't hear each other. 469 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: And once he figured that out, then peace came upon 470 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: the airplane. And then he told me it's a very 471 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: dangerous landing place in Elba because you have to fly 472 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: in this zigzag shape, and so that's send I'm going. 473 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 4: To a god. 474 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 3: We trusted eighteen and we end up zigzagging through the 475 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 3: mountains of Elba and landing and we got there safely, thankfully, 476 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 3: and then we clearly. And then we ate pasta with 477 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: him and his girlfriend that day for lunch, and they 478 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: flew back and we stayed and rode around on vespers 479 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: and ate pasta all these different beaches on Elba and 480 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: went to the vineyards that Napoleon used to go to. 481 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 3: And then he came back three days later and picked 482 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 3: us up on the plane and we flew back to Florence. 483 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: And that was It was magic. 484 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: So the adventure of travel, the adventure of eating. 485 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 4: It's like over dinner, you create these adventures. 486 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: You know, the culture of a country is so taken 487 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: through its food, and very often it is this. You know, 488 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 2: we meet somebody who comes back from a country and 489 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: we don't ask what museum they went to or you know, 490 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: what gallery they saw, what church, what we do, But 491 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: you know this also tells you so much by them saying, 492 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: as you've just described the food that they ate. The 493 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: culture of the dinners or the shooting a boar or 494 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: catching a fish, or it's as exciting as getting on 495 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: a plane. Crazily, I might say, am I somebody you 496 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: don't know? You know, it's all about curiosity and exploring 497 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: and opening ourselves up. And so if we think about 498 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 2: you know, we've talked about food as memory of the 499 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: food that you've found that sets and traveling and working 500 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: and the food that connects us. All I suppose it 501 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: connects our memories, it connects each other. Is a sense 502 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 2: of excitement, but it's also a sex of comfort. What 503 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: would be the food you would probably go to for comfort. 504 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: I've been away from home for a long time, and 505 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 3: as well as the fact that my mother's no longer here. 506 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: She passed away when I was twenty three, and I 507 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: almost hadn't put it into conscious thought. But I often will. 508 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 3: After a big week or if I'm feeling really overwhelmed, 509 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: I'll make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and that 510 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: becomes my thing. I made one the other day and 511 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 3: it's just that comfort sensation. Yeah, so that that's one 512 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: of my go to comfort foods for sure. 513 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: I'll see you for cards on Sunday Night partner I'll 514 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: see you. Thank you. To visit the online shop of 515 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: the River Cafe, go to shop Therivercafe dot co dot UK. 516 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: River Cafe Table four is a production of iHeartRadio and 517 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: Adamized Studios. 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