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Speaker 1: we are on a Thursday, Chris Brown with Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Thurm and Thomas back in the chair.

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Speaker 1: Thursday's becoming your day here, Thurm, at least until Steve

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Speaker 1: But I enjoy coming on the show. I'm talking to you.

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Speaker 1: and it's rather appropriate that we have you to weigh

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Speaker 1: I believe that's going to take place tomorrow. But as

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Speaker 1: So that game thirty two carries one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: Also running back? Would Walter do it? Nope? No close?

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Speaker 1: will play yeah, tire, Yeah, so less hope and let's

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Speaker 1: pray that the Bills continue on the surge that they

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Speaker 1: have had in the last couple of games. In the

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Speaker 1: running game. Yeah, and they played great defense. So I mean,

429
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Speaker 1: you know, Kansas City is a nemesis. This is and

430
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Speaker 1: they've added a piece of the puzzle. You still gotta

431
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Speaker 1: Kelsey Hill well. And I think that is the impetus

432
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Speaker 1: for making this move because through the first three weeks,

433
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Speaker 1: their big play passing game with Tyreek has been completely

434
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Speaker 1: absent from their offense because every defense they're playing, they

435
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Speaker 1: are overplaying and keeping Tyreek in front of them, And say,

436
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Speaker 1: you have to nickel and diamonds all the way down

437
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Speaker 1: the field if you're gonna put points on the board.

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Speaker 1: And to a certain extent they still have. But I

439
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Speaker 1: think they feel like Tyreek is underutilized through their first

440
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Speaker 1: three games, so they say, well, how do we pull

441
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Speaker 1: attention off Tyreek. Well, let's get this guy screaming down

442
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Speaker 1: the other side, right, and then we'll pick your poison.

443
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Speaker 1: You Yeah, what hash Mark? Are you gonna stand? And

444
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Speaker 1: also too, I think what the Kansas City Chiefs saying.

445
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: You know, people always say if I say something, this bullet,

446
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Speaker 1: bulletin board material whatever. I still think that their offensive

447
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: blind is not as good as it was their first year.

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah nineteen. Yes, I think they tried to show some

449
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Speaker 1: improvement by signing a couple of guys, but I don't

450
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Speaker 1: think it's there. Still. Well, they got big names, talented players.

451
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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Tuning is a highly priced guard. A

452
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Speaker 1: lot of people consider him one of the top five

453
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Speaker 1: guards in the league. They get Orlando Brown via trade

454
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Speaker 1: from Baltimore because he wanted to be a left tackle

455
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Speaker 1: and they already have Ronnie Stanley in Baltimore, so they

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Speaker 1: moved him. So those are two really good players. They

457
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Speaker 1: got the best center in the draft, Creed Humphrey, who's

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Speaker 1: starting in the pivot for them at Oklahoma, and Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna remember the right side of the offensive

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Speaker 1: line off the top of my head Oklahoma source subject

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Speaker 1: source subject, Um, I just don't think it's Jaeled yet

462
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Speaker 1: because they've got four new starters. Yeah, we saw what

463
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Speaker 1: happened here in twenty nineteen when the Bills completely revamped

464
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Speaker 1: what was a non functional offensive line in twenty eighteen here.

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Speaker 1: I mean they couldn't that was that was Lashawn's last

466
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Speaker 1: year here. He couldn't run the ball because the line

467
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Speaker 1: couldn't move right, they couldn't win it the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: So they revamped the offensive line here going into twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: four new starters. Then Dawkins was the only guy rolled

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Speaker 1: over from twenty eighteen. It took them to like week

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Speaker 1: eight or nine before they really kind of hit their stride.

472
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Speaker 1: And you know, we're playing consistent football, so hurry up. Well, yeah,

473
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Speaker 1: because you're right about that, because it's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of time left and they're behind the eight ball right now.

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Speaker 1: They're wanted two. Yeah, and they have not looked good

476
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Speaker 1: at all the first three games of the season, so

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Speaker 1: they need to wake up call eight. They've got a

478
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Speaker 1: host of problems it's not just that old line. Their

479
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Speaker 1: defense has given a lot of big plays. Yes, they're

480
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: still getting turnovers here and there, but it's basically the

481
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Speaker 1: Tyrone Matthews Show and then a bunch of guys like

482
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Speaker 1: nothing is working for them. They got a lot to

483
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Speaker 1: clean up. Hopefully they're still cleaning up in week seven,

484
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Speaker 1: because that will mean the Bills have beaten them in

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Speaker 1: week five. So we'll leave that on the side for now.

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Speaker 1: Twitter conversation today, which unit will play the biggest role

487
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Speaker 1: in Sunday's game against the Texans. You can pick offense

488
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Speaker 1: or defense. Guys. You get to pick special teams if

489
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Speaker 1: you think they're gonna do something special. Who knows, So

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Speaker 1: let us know at eighth three, five fifty one, eight eight,

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty or you can hit us

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Speaker 1: up on the tweet sheet at one Bill's Live. We

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Speaker 1: have to take a break here because when we come back,

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Speaker 1: it is time for espn NFL insider Field Yates to

495
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Speaker 1: join the show, as he will be giving us his

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Speaker 1: ultimate fantasy lineup, presented by fan Duel. I think Thurman's

497
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Speaker 1: ready to rib him for some of the picks he

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Speaker 1: made last play, so that will be entertaining you're gonna

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Speaker 1: want to back for that. Here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Colloid to Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back One Bill's Live Chris Brown with Thurman Thomas Here

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Speaker 1: on a Thursday and please to be joined now by

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Speaker 1: ESPN NFL insider Field Yates, who is ready to unveil

504
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Speaker 1: his Week four Ultimate Fantasy lineup, presented by fan Duel Field.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. I'm just gonna prepare you now.

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00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: I think Thurman's gonna take you to task for a

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Speaker 1: couple of your running back picks. Last week, you fell

508
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Speaker 1: victim to the injury bug with James White. I know

509
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: nothing you can do there, but he's I think he's

510
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: pretty happy to see you've got a pretty big heavyweight

511
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Speaker 1: in your running back line up this week. I tell

512
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: you what, there's nothing worse than first of all player injuries, right,

513
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean, just devastating to see, and they're around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Certainly the Patriots are going to feel a ram of

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Speaker 1: locations of that James White injury. Not a superstar player,

516
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Speaker 1: but he's one of those guys just kind of part

517
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Speaker 1: of the core fabric of what they're about in New England.

518
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Speaker 1: That's a huge injury, and unfortunately, in fantasy football, you

519
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: can't afford to have any injuries and your lineup and

520
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Speaker 1: still expect to win on a daily slate, so that

521
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Speaker 1: one did not turn out is expected. But we wish

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Speaker 1: James well in a fast and speedy recovery and hopefully

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Speaker 1: he's back on a football field where he belongs at

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Speaker 1: the start of next season. I think when you talk

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Speaker 1: about James White, the guy that he reminds me of

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Speaker 1: that play for the Patriots that I give a lot

527
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Speaker 1: of credit to through unto years was Kevin Falk. Kevin

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Speaker 1: Falk was that guy who would take the ball out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield. He was a tough little runner inside

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Speaker 1: and out, and I talked to him a lot on

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Speaker 1: Twitter about, Man, you were the key to a lot

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Speaker 1: of those Super Bowl victories, those playoff victory was he

533
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Speaker 1: was James You know that was and that's what James

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Speaker 1: White has been doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You kind of

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Speaker 1: made that rule popular for the Patriots. And then you

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Speaker 1: had guys like Danny Wood had been followed, and you

537
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Speaker 1: saw Shane Vereen in a variety of others. But James

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Speaker 1: White's been so good for the Patriots Shane Vereen. That's

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Speaker 1: a strong pull out of the back shelf there, all right.

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Speaker 1: So let's begin at the quarterback position with a guy

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Speaker 1: I have been actively trying to acquire via trade and

542
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Speaker 1: I've been unsuccessful. This guy gets points every week. He

543
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: may not get his team to the playoffs, but he

544
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: gets points every week. Right, see that fall especially daily Fantasy.

545
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Speaker 1: I don't care if you win twenty. If you can

546
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Speaker 1: throw for yards, I'll take you. So the first entry

547
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Speaker 1: into our lineup is Kirk Cousins were referencing, of course, Chris,

548
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Speaker 1: And you know the NFL is a game of close calls.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that the Vikings are the

550
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Speaker 1: only ones that have been stung by close calls so

551
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Speaker 1: far this year. But you'll were called Week one, Dalvin

552
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Speaker 1: Cook fumbled the ball. If he doesn't fumble that ball,

553
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: they're probably beating the Bengals. We two, they've got a

554
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Speaker 1: thirty something yard field goal that Justin Tucker could probably

555
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Speaker 1: make on his left foot, and they push it wide right,

556
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Speaker 1: and that team could easily lead. The Vikings could easily

557
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Speaker 1: be three. And oh and if they were we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about Kirk Cousins in a very different like, Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins has over twenty two Fantasy points in every game

560
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Speaker 1: so far this year. How about this, He's averaging three

561
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Speaker 1: hundred and six passing yards per game. He's got eight touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: no interceptions, no fumbles lost. With Kirk Cousins, He's put

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Speaker 1: up numbers in the past. The problem has been some

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Speaker 1: of those unforced errors. You're like, how did he make

565
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Speaker 1: that throw? Well, he hasn't made that throw so far

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Speaker 1: this year. Give me Kirk Cousins in a matchup against

567
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Speaker 1: Cleveland that I don't love the matchup against Cleveland, but

568
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Speaker 1: they will be about Greg Newsome, their first round pick

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Speaker 1: out of Northwestern, who's played ninety four percent of the

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Speaker 1: snaps for them so far this year. Nice. Yeah, I

571
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Speaker 1: was a little worried about Cleveland, especially after their field

572
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Speaker 1: day at Chicago last week. But I can I can

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Speaker 1: see my way past it. I got no problem with that.

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Speaker 1: Take the running backs, yeah yeah, okay, go ahead, said

575
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Speaker 1: they said the Vikings offensive line a little bit better

576
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: than the Bears as well, just a little bit. Yeah.

577
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Speaker 1: But I want to make Thurman happy. And first of all,

578
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: like it's like a good rule to follow in life

579
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: is like, keep the Hall of Famer happy, but let's

580
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Speaker 1: make him especially happy. Let's go to the running backs.

581
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Speaker 1: And it's very rare in daily Fantasy that you advocate

582
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Speaker 1: for having the most expensive player at any position in

583
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Speaker 1: your lineup. And yet this week Derrick Henry might wind

584
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Speaker 1: up being a discount. He's priced at ten thousand, two

585
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, and typically what you're looking for when you're

586
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: playing daily Fantasy is for however many thousands of dollars

587
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: the player that is multiple, Take that and multiply it

588
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: by three, and so ten two hundred bucks. You want

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Speaker 1: thirty point six Fantasy points from Derek Henry. I think

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Speaker 1: that's within reeves. They played the Jets on Sunday, sounds

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Speaker 1: that they won't have a j Brown, sounds like they

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Speaker 1: might not have Julio Jones. And the Jets have all

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Speaker 1: sorts of defensive injuries right now, most recently Marcus May,

594
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Speaker 1: who's probably their best defensive player, certainly the most consistent

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Speaker 1: defensive player right now. I think the Titans could just

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00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: unleash Derrick Henry in a way that makes him so unique.

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Speaker 1: And what I love about the involvement so far this

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Speaker 1: year for Henry he's got twelve catches, which may not

599
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Speaker 1: sound like much. He's never had more than nineteen in

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Speaker 1: a season. He's got twelve in three games. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he might wouldn't surprise me a bit. And look, just

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Speaker 1: while we're doing it, w as we keep going with

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Speaker 1: the running backs. Then while we're talking backs, and Chase

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Speaker 1: Edmonds is the second one that I'll mentioned here, And

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Speaker 1: I almost wish I was doing this in reverse order,

606
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Speaker 1: because you're going to notice that the cardinal who's most

607
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: popular fantasy is DeAndre Hopkins. But I'm intentionally avoiding you.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna beat the Rams, I don't think the

609
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Speaker 1: way that you do so is by challenging their best

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Speaker 1: defensive players and Aaron Donald and also Jalen Ramsey. But

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Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds very good past catching running back. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they'll be able to run the football much with

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Speaker 1: James Connor. I'm banking on the volume, get the ball

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Speaker 1: out quick, and the best way to do so is

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Speaker 1: by leaning on a running back like Chase Edmonds. But

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Speaker 1: let's go from the value play. Let's go back to

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Speaker 1: let's shop at Tiffany's one more time as wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: How about this Davante Adams finds ring in my lineup,

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Speaker 1: and the matchup is not great. Right, The Steelers are

620
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Speaker 1: a very good defense, we think that. Being said, it

621
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Speaker 1: looked that great last week against the Bengals, and beyond that,

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Speaker 1: they also have some injuries that we're still monitoring this week.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like t J. Watts got a chance to play.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like Alex high Smith, the other outside lightbackers got

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Speaker 1: a chance to play. But Davante Adams, guys, I mean

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Speaker 1: you all watched on Sunday night. How do you stop

627
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Davante Adams? He is truly ridiculous, priced at eight thousand,

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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars, which leads us into our next wide

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Speaker 1: receiver that I'll tell you guys about, and s DK

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Speaker 1: metcalf I've got like all the aliens in my lineup

631
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Speaker 1: this week, right, DK Metcalf, Right, somehows a wide receiver. Yeah,

632
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Speaker 1: he's ridiculous. Right. He runs a four four forty at

633
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Speaker 1: six foot three, two hundred and thirty pounds or whatever

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Speaker 1: he is, and he had a time shown last week.

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Speaker 1: He's got a touchdown in two of his first three games.

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Speaker 1: And as you guys are well aware, this forty nine

637
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: or secondary right now, so banged up. They signed Josh

638
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: Norman recently, well, he left the game early last week.

639
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: They recently signed Buster Screen that was yesterday. He's a

640
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: nickel corner that's been out of the NFL so far

641
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: this year. I think the limited experience in that San

642
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: Francisco secondary sets up DK metcap were a major major

643
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: day on Sunday. So why so you mentioned, you know,

644
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: your concerns with the Rams defense and that's why you

645
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: picked Chase Edmonds. Why did you take one of his

646
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: teammates here as your other as your third wide out? Yeah,

647
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: so my third wide out is Rondel Moore. It's a

648
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: great question. Why are you sort of fading away from

649
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: one one Cardinals wide receiver but leaning on the other. Well,

650
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: the price is nice here for Rondel Moore, but you

651
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars really explosive player, a guy who last

652
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: week was not one of the Cardinals to go up

653
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: over one hundred yards, but he has done so once

654
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: already this season. And the logic is all right, Let

655
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: Dylan Ramsey were about DeAndre Hopkins, Let Darius Williams worry

656
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: about AJ Green or Christian Kirk and then let Rondelle

657
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: Moore be the mismatch because I know that it's hard

658
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: to have multiple wide receivers every single week sustained fantasy value.

659
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: But I do think the stars have kind of aligned

660
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: here for a Rondale More matchup day against this Rams

661
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: defense that we know is very good. But as you

662
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: guys also know, it's so much easier to play productive

663
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: offense and it is to play productive defense in the league. Now,

664
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: So give me Rondel Moore, all right, next one third?

665
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: When you got there? Tight end, Yeah, yeah, that's right.

666
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: No fancy Broncos tight end who first round pick just

667
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. And you know it's hard

668
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: to find tight ends in general and fantasy. But what

669
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: you like here is, well, you're bummed that the Broncos

670
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: are without two separate wide receivers in Jerry Judy in

671
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: kJ Hamler. And while I think Tim Patrick, the next

672
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver up, is definitely a good fantasy value. Maybe

673
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 1: one of the ways that the Broncos account for being

674
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: down two wide receivers is distributing more throws to the

675
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: middle of the field and tight ends. And if you

676
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: look at who the Ravens have faced this year, they

677
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: play the Broncos on Sunday. Week one, Darren Waller Week two,

678
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. Both of them went nuts. Last week they

679
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: got t J. Hawkinson who did not. But as you

680
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: guys know, if you're trying to slow down Detroit, it's

681
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: basically slowing down the tight end and the wanting backs.

682
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: There's not really a wide receiver that scares you. So

683
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: I think that no offense could have a reasonable day

684
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: and that I'll bring running in my flex spot. And

685
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: last week we saw the Dolphins just grind out dry.

686
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: It wasn't pretty and it certainly wasn't that productive. But

687
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: Jail and Wattle had unbelievable volume. He had twelve catches

688
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: last week. You get a point for every reception. He

689
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: would exceed his projection right away with just twelve more

690
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: catches this week. And the problem last week for deal

691
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: and Wattle was that he had twelve catches for fifty

692
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: eight yards, which is actually the low whist receiving total

693
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: for a player with at least eleven catches other than

694
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: running backs history like it was a very very inefficient day.

695
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: For inefficiency does not bother me as long as you're

696
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: getting a lot of volume and Jalen Wattle should see

697
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: plenty of volume. Yeah, and you go double Dolphins here

698
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: with defense. Yeah, this Dolphins defense they are I mean,

699
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: I know the Bills game was a thirty five to

700
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: nothing shutout, but I would I think you guys might agree,

701
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: like they play friskier defense. Then that number suggested they

702
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: did not make life easy on some of the bills

703
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: best offensive players. Right Stefon Diggs was relatively kept in check,

704
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen did not have his best game of the year.

705
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: And this Dolphins defense on Sunday faces a Colts team that,

706
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: you know, are you really scared of them right now?

707
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Given that Carson Wentz playing on two bulky ankles, Their

708
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver groups still does not have t Y Hilton,

709
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: the offensive lines probably going to be without Quinton Nelson,

710
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: their best player on the entire team, and also Braden

711
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Smith the right tackle. Left tackle Eric Fisher has been back,

712
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: but this offensive line is not the dominant group that

713
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: we're used to it being. So I think the Dolphins

714
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: defense could feast on Sunday once again. After all these

715
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: picks right here, that's probably my first pick. The Dolphins

716
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: deep versus like that. Yeah, I like that. I like

717
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: that for some reason. I mean, the Colts are what

718
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: they're all and three. Carson Wentz, like you said, both

719
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: ankles and probably both ankles and probably mentally too. Just

720
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: not all there. Yea, his internal clock has been kind

721
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: of compromised by an underperforming old line. Hasn't a field

722
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: it has been. Unfortunately, this offensive line's been so hampered

723
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: by injuries. You think that guy could player Bradon Smith,

724
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: went Nelson, Eric Fisher when he's healthy, and Ryan Kelly

725
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: when he's healthy, even Matt Glewinsky when he's healthy. Problem is,

726
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: injuries have really piled up, basically all of them, with

727
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: delping with some injury at some point during this preseason,

728
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: plus COVID issues. So this Colt offensive line not more

729
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: accustomed to it, and it's kind of strikes me as

730
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: a potential loser. Leaves town matchup between the Dolphins and

731
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: the Colts. The Colts go to Owen four, you can

732
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: basically kiss the playoffs goodbye. The Dolphins go to one

733
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: and three. You know I'm forecasting a big Bills win

734
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: on Sunday that I don't know. The Bills are making

735
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: up three games or I guess two more. The Dolphins

736
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: picking up two games. I know it's early, but I

737
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: think this Dolphins team needs to win to stay in

738
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: the AFC East. Pick of it Field. Curious about your

739
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: thoughts on Sam Darnold's hot start to the season. What

740
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: are the Panthers and OOC is Joe Brady? I think right?

741
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: So what is what are they doing to put him

742
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: in positions to succeed that maybe the Jets just couldn't

743
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: get around to doing with him. It's so much better.

744
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: It's it's much better personnel, right. I actually think the

745
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: Bills are kind of a good way to look at this, right,

746
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: where Josh was as a rookie and the pieces of

747
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: rounds and compared to where they are now are so different.

748
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: That's not to say that Josh hasn't put in a

749
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: ton of work, but it's ask testament to how better

750
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: support makes a quarterback look much better. And with Sam Donald,

751
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: he hasn't had to carry the heavy load for the Panthers.

752
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: They have yet to trail in a single moment this

753
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: entire season, the only team in the NFL, the only

754
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: team in the NFL that is not at any point

755
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: trailed during the year. So the pressure is so different

756
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: from Sam Donald. He is able to play much more

757
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: on schedule and what he's accustomed to, and it's good

758
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: coaching down there. I'm impressed with Sam Donald. I think

759
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: he's had some flash moments in the past. He still

760
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: has to do it for a much longer time period

761
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: before I'm convinced this as real as in like really real,

762
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: but impressive start so far from Carolina, one of the

763
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: few teams that are still free and out. Feel one

764
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: last thing before we let you go, the return of

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00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon to the Kansas City Chiefs. How do you

766
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: see that plan out? I mean, obviously the Kelsey and

767
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: He'll haven't been able to explode like they did for

768
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: the past couple of years. How much do you think

769
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: this will help the Chiefs and how much do you

770
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: think Josh Gordon still have left in a tank? I

771
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: think it helps. I think it's a bigger story and

772
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: name that it is an impact. Just because Josh sport

773
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: has been out of the league for a little while.

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00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: He's played with great quarterbacks in the past, Russell Wilson

775
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: and Tom Brady, and it's not like he was a

776
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: consistent part of those two offenses. But if you're the

777
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: Chiefs as you imagined, Thurman, it's been you know those

778
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: two guys, Travis Kelcey, well, really Tyreek Hill has been

779
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: the one that's been kind of bottle up in the

780
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: first two games. But if it's not one of those

781
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: two players, who is it right now? In Kansas City,

782
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna be fine, by the way, But you know,

783
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: next Sunday night Buffalo, that's gonna be a huge matchup

784
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: to figure out just how brave these Chiefs concerns are.

785
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: I think they'll be two and two going into Week five,

786
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: But if they're not and the Bills have the opportunity

787
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: to make them one and four, can you imagine the

788
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: sterria that would be emanating throughout the NFL. Yeah, be

789
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: pretty unexpected, that's for sure. It's just I'm just more curious,

790
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 1: and I know we're at a time with you feel

791
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm just curious how the Bills are going to prepare

792
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: for him with literally zero film because he's Andy said

793
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: he's not playing this week, so they'll probably have something

794
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: up their sleeve with him for that Week five matchup.

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Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas with you wanted to pass along some comments

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Speaker 1: from the players this week. We talked about this on

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00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: the show yesterday when we had Ruben in with us

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00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: on the likelihood of the Bills overlooking the Texans, knowing

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00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: the chief chiefs lurk on the Horizon. In Week five,

816
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: Mitch Morris was asked that question directly by the media.

817
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: Here was his answer. I can only speak for myself,

818
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: and I mean when people ask who's the best player

819
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: I play against, it's the person I'm playing at that time.

820
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, every dude's a nightmare to block, in my opinion,

821
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: in this league. It's just there's a reason why they

822
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: play in the NFL. And so for us, no, we

823
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: understand that this is a very talented defense, a front

824
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: four that plays exceptionally hard. I think you watched the film.

825
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: They play through the whistle, um, and they play with

826
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: extreme effort, which is which a lot of the production

827
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: comes from just out competing their opponents. So for us,

828
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: it will be a great challenge matching that intensity. Um.

829
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: So maybe you to answer your question a little bit

830
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: more of what the media makes and what we feel

831
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: like in the building. Yeah, no surprise there. I mean,

832
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott has this team straight and narrow. There is

833
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: no deviating into anywhere near the state of complacency that

834
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: people worry about. No, not even not even the sixteen

835
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 1: and a half point under underdogs seventeen seventeen. Now, oh see,

836
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: I don't patition, but I mean that's yeah. I mean,

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00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott has showed over the years, hey, this team

838
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: is it is always going to play at a high level,

839
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: laser focused, laser focus every single day and in every

840
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: single game, and you know what, too much it has

841
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: showed that those guys are I mean, obviously you'll have

842
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: a game or two during the year would be like,

843
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it just it just didn't work, just a happen.

844
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: But most of the time, these guys here laser focus,

845
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I I wore Micah high jersey

846
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: last week for some reason, and I was like, oh, okay,

847
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: got me a little like I got a veteran guy

848
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: here who's been there, who knows it and end up

849
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: getting the interception in the game. And so yeah, these

850
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: guys have always been focused on what they had to do.

851
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs also spoke to the media, and he too

852
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: commented on facing the underdog Texans this weekend. I've been

853
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: on teams that you were supposed to win the game

854
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: and you didn't win the game. But I try not

855
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: to think too much about favorites or like teams, because

856
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: if they come to play and they have a good

857
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: game plan, any team can win. And I feel like

858
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: we had that kind of like experience the first game

859
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: of the season. I'm saying, like as far as like

860
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I didn't. I'm not gonna say

861
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: we were supposed to win, because that's a great team,

862
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: but you know, you always expected when you always expect

863
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: the play extremely well, and we didn't. So having that

864
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: humbler experience early I rather happened early than later. And

865
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: so now it's kind of like put us in that

866
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: spot of Okay, they ground, they stay focused and stay grinding,

867
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: because I'm saying, any given Sunday, you're happening. So for us,

868
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: now we're in a great spot of just keep working,

869
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: keep your head down, and you know, when Sunday rose around,

870
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: put your best team. And Diggs was on the Minnesota

871
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Vikings team Theirm in twenty eighteen Bills at Vikings. Vikings

872
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: seventeen point favorites. They have two turnovers in the first

873
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: quarter deep in their own territory. That was the josh

874
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: and they get two early touchdowns the twenty seven to six. Yeah,

875
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: it was over and the Vikings were seventeen point favorites

876
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: in that game. So he knows firsthand, firsthand what happened. Yeah,

877
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: I mean, and like you said, man, this is this

878
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: is what happens in the National Football League. And I

879
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: think some of the teams that I played on in

880
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: the nineties we were putting that position and was kind

881
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: of like late in the year to be clinch a

882
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: playoffs spied or too. I remember some games where we

883
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: lost in New England US bad. Then yeah we lost

884
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: to the Coat. Um they were bad too. They were

885
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: bad too, and I think we might have been like

886
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: twenty points favor to win again and it didn't happen.

887
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, he understands it. I think this team does too. Um,

888
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: you know, these guys are gonna be ready to play

889
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: because you don't want this team to look forward to

890
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: the following game against Kansas City. But you know what,

891
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: if the Texans are mad about anything, they should be

892
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: mad about being seventeen point underdogs, and that's gonna kind

893
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: of drive them when they come here Sunday. So yeah,

894
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. And uh, I think I'm gonna

895
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna reveal what jersey I'm gonna wear, but

896
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: oh okay, yeah, I think I'm gonna save that you're

897
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: gonna save that for Twitter. I'm leaving that for your

898
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: Twitter hand, my Twitter folks, Sunday, exactly all right, we

899
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: have to take a break here, but when we come back,

900
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: we'll have the color analyst for CBS. Who's doing the

901
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: game this weekend. It is one Tiki Barber who will

902
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: be joining us. It's it all running back day today,

903
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: Lashawn retires, Thurman's here here and now we got Tiki

904
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: next on One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. It's

905
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio down at a Steve Tasker who has

906
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: been all over the fields. Kind of unique. He was

907
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: kind of a dual role player for you, Steve, Steve

908
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: a blimp. We're not even in the stragedyre of normalcy here,

909
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: all right? Our number two here on a Thursday, Chris Brown,

910
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas here on the show. And please to be

911
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: joined now by the guy that's going to be calling

912
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: the game with Beth Mwens on the NFL on CBS

913
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: on Sunday. It is one Tiki Barber joining us. Tiki,

914
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: how you doing? Thanks very much for giving us some time.

915
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: You're looking forward to this one? I am. I'm excited

916
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: to see Josh Allen in person. We'll get a chance

917
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: to have a production with meeting with him tomorrow, and

918
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: all I've heard is how big he is. He's like

919
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: this super athlete at six to five and two hundred

920
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: and thirty pounds and can run like a running back

921
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: and throw like some of the best in the game.

922
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to meeting him in person, hearing

923
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: the story a little bit, and then calling the game

924
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: on Sunday. It'll be a fun one. Well, I tell

925
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: you what, when he walks in that room, you're gonna

926
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: be like, is that a defensive end? I'm jelly. I've

927
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: known him now for over the last since he's been here,

928
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: and Lemon tell you, I've become really good friends with him,

929
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: and he's just a I mean, he is a statue

930
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: around the city of Buffalo and when you see him, man,

931
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean. But the thing that I like about Josh

932
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: is that you're gonna love him. You're gonna absolutely love him. Yeah,

933
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. I've heard so many great

934
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: things about him. I actually talked to his offseason quarterback coach,

935
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer, and I say, just give a sense of

936
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: you know what it was like when you first met him,

937
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: and he said, he's big. He's got a big arm,

938
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: he's got a big, big talent, he's got a big personality,

939
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: and he learns really quickly, and that's why he accelerated

940
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: from a guy who was completing fifty six or seven

941
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: percent of his passes early on to a guy who

942
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: was in the MVP race last year. And he looked

943
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: from fantastic last weekend. So there's so many weapons around him,

944
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: you know this, Thurman. They play like you guys used

945
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: to play back in the day eleven personnel is get

946
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: a running back out there and catching some passes, throwing

947
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: the ball all around the field. So they're fun when

948
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: they play that way. Yeah, and they finally got back

949
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: to playing that way last week against Washington. That's something

950
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: that you know, the Bills fans were a little concerned about,

951
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: having not seen it at least operate with the same

952
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: level of efficiency the first two weeks. They got back

953
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: to it this past week against that Washington defense. Now

954
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: the question is can it continue, And odds are that

955
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: it will because this is a Houston team that's still

956
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: trying to pull a lot of new pieces together after

957
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: an overhaul of their roster in the offseason, right, Yeah,

958
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. I mean Tennessee, I mean the Texans

959
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: have been really going through a difficult time this past offseason.

960
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: We all know that Deshaun Watson story. It's not worth

961
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: rehashing it. But Trod Taylor comes in to be a

962
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: stop gap in a sense, and he plays great to

963
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: start the season. I remember everyone being surprised that this

964
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: David Kelley team. He goes on the road and wins,

965
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: and then he gets hurt and now they're back. They're

966
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: stuck with a rookie from Stanford who in Davis Mills,

967
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: who hasn't really seen a lot, both in college and

968
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: not in the NFL. He didn't turn the ball over,

969
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: and in that regard, you could probably put him at

970
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: the top of the rookie quarterbacks who have had a

971
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: really tough time this season. But there's a lot of

972
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: moving parts. They moved around the offensive line, defensively, there's

973
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: there's not really many impact players. Yet you still can't

974
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: afford to overlook it if you're a Bill's team looking

975
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: forward to next week, because we all know is a

976
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: huge game on their schedule. But you gotta stay in

977
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: the present because anybody can beat you when you when

978
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: you're not paying attention to him. Well, usually Steve Aska

979
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: will be on there talking to me. I'm just kind

980
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: of philing in for Steve Man. And he's got Chris

981
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: Brown and Steve Dasher. They got all these notes and

982
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I'm not even sure because I don't

983
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: watch a lot of football anymore. Really, I just kind

984
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: of watched the Bills and just going to my next

985
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: who's the running back for the Texans. Well, there's a

986
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: couple of guys that, well, you know mark Ingram, market Ingram. Okay,

987
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: you know that David Johnson, Remember David David Johnson. Okay,

988
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: that's from the trade right any of the year and

989
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: a half in Arizona where he was just out of

990
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: the gate. And then Philip Lindsay is one of their

991
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: backs as well, who was in Denver. He's mostly used

992
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: as a third down type player and out of the

993
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: backfield change of pace. But the one player you gotta

994
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: worry about on Houston is Brandon Cooks. Now, Brandon Cooks

995
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver has maybe one of the most

996
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: unique transient careers. And he's only twenty eight years old,

997
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: but he's been everywhere. So he's in New Orleans, he

998
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: goes for a thousand yards, he gets, he goes over

999
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: to the New England Patriots, a thousand yards. He goes

1000
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: out to forget the third team he was the Rams,

1001
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: the Rams, that's right, he said, the ramp a thousand

1002
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: yards season. So back to back to back thousand yards

1003
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: seasons with three different teams in three different years. The

1004
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: dude just balls, and so far he's been the leading

1005
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver out there. He's dangerous if you if you

1006
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: if you're not careful about watching where he is. Yeah.

1007
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: Right now, he's tied for the AFC leading receptions with

1008
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, but both of those guys have twenty three

1009
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: catches in three games, and Cooks does it at a

1010
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: better yards per catch average than Beasley does. Usually works

1011
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: a lot of the underneath routes. What should what do

1012
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: you make of the fact that while Houston has not

1013
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: gotten down in the red zone terribly often, Tiki, they

1014
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: are seven for nine inside the twenty yard line on

1015
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: red zone touchdown efficiency. When they get down there, they

1016
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: make it count, they really do. And that's a testament

1017
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: to the execution there that they play with. You know,

1018
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: there's certain teams that are going to struggle this year.

1019
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: The Houston Texans are one for all the reasons we

1020
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: mentioned that the Jacksonville Jaguars or another the Detroit Lions.

1021
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: But I think some of the things that we're seeing

1022
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: with these teams that have new head coaches is that

1023
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: the guys are still fighting for them, you know what

1024
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean. It's not like this is an old school

1025
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: or an old coach who's been there for five or

1026
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: six years and the message is just worn thin and

1027
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: the guy's like, all right, whatever, okay, whatever, dude. It's like,

1028
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: new coach, not only are playing for right now, but

1029
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: you're playing for your futures, even if it happens to

1030
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: not be with the team that you're currently on. And

1031
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: so the Texans have some fight in them and they

1032
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: know that they're going to struggle. But that doesn't mean

1033
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: they're not playing, at least early on in the season,

1034
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: as hard as they possibly can. Well, looking at this game, obviously,

1035
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: seventeen point underdogs or whatever, what do you think the

1036
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: Texas like their top three things that they have to

1037
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: do in order to win this football game. I know

1038
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: we've all going through. Yeah, Chris and I talked about

1039
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: a couple of well we were heavy favorite and it

1040
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: didn't turn out well. But what do you think the

1041
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: Texans have to do? Yeah, I mean I don't think

1042
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: they're going to you know, they don't have to play

1043
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: exceptional to Wars game. The one thing that they're not doing,

1044
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: which is so important if to stay in any game,

1045
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: is turning the football over. I mean, Davis Mills was

1046
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: very limited in the in the in the what he

1047
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: was given, right, they ran the same play a couple

1048
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: times over. I watched the first couple of series of

1049
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: that game, and like, didn't they just run that play?

1050
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: You know, let's do it to the right, pick up

1051
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: five yards. I just do it to the left, right.

1052
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: And so it's like it's one of those simple game

1053
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: plans for Davis Mills because he was kind of thrust

1054
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: into that role, took over for to Rod Taylor and

1055
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: is injured against Cleveland. Then he got his first start

1056
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: last weekend against the Carolina Panthers, which is a vicious

1057
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: defense as we all know, number one in the league

1058
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: right now. And it was just simple. And so if

1059
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: they keep it simple right and don't try to do

1060
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: too much, don't take too many Risks. Don't give the

1061
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills short fields and opportunity. They can stay close

1062
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: in this game, I believe, and maybe if things go

1063
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: wrong for Buffalo, they can find a win. That's the

1064
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: only way I can see the Texans, who are struggling

1065
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, to get a win.

1066
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: As if they they play it tight and then hope

1067
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: that the Bills make some mistakes. Yeah, I mean, Houston's

1068
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: got five takeaways in their first three games. Justin Reed

1069
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: is a player that is kind of an X factor

1070
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: for them on the defensive side of the ball. I

1071
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: know he's been limited by a knee injury this week.

1072
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: They're hoping they can get him back. So he seems

1073
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: to be like I don't want to call him Tyrn Matthew,

1074
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: but he seems to be a difference man. He's a

1075
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: difference maker for them, like a playmaking kind of guy.

1076
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: Where on a defense that doesn't have a lot of them. Yeah,

1077
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: he is a playmaker because he ranges all over the

1078
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: secondary from a safety position. But he's been out you

1079
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: mentioned because of that knee injury, and as has Commie

1080
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: Greer Hill, and so they they've had to They've been

1081
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: forced to play some young players. Lonnie Johnson Junior from

1082
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: Miami has been thrust into the starting lineup. You see

1083
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: him out there, he's number one. You can't miss him,

1084
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: um and he is actually very aggressive. The difference with

1085
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: him and and Justin Reid is that Lonnie's gonna make

1086
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: some mistakes, right, He's just he's he's new to the

1087
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: to the to the NFL. He's very aggressive, at least

1088
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: in his mind. He's very aggressive without thinking through the

1089
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 1: consequences of that aggression sometimes and so and so I think,

1090
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: I think there's opportunities for big plays. And there's one

1091
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: thing that I think we're we've seen in the first

1092
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: three weeks is Josh Allen has been mostly protected and

1093
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: when he is, he makes some unbelievable throws. A touchdown

1094
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: to Emmanuel Sanders where he got off schedule and moved

1095
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: out of the pocket and put it right, I mean

1096
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: only where Emmanuel Sanders could catch it, taken advantage of

1097
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: of of a sleeping land in Collins in that secondary

1098
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: was it was a pristine throw. And that's what I

1099
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: think we were We've gotten used to seeing from from

1100
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. And so if Justin Reid is unavailable in

1101
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: this game. I think I think Josh Allen could could

1102
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: feast simply because he's so good at moving a defense

1103
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: and you know, getting them to commit one way and

1104
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: then actually you know, executing the other way, and then

1105
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: his throws on the run are just they're just amazing. Yeah, well,

1106
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: you know what we've this is something we've been looking

1107
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: for around Bills fans, the emergence of Dawson Knox tight end.

1108
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: Been here for a couple of years and had some

1109
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: good games, and all of a sudden would have some

1110
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: bad games. But it looks like because of Steph Diggs,

1111
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: because of Beasley, and because of Emmanuel sand this guy's

1112
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: emerging as he could be Josh Allen's favorite target. Yeah.

1113
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's only gonna catch two or three

1114
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: passes a game, but for a first down and important

1115
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: first down, I mean eleven personnel. With all those guys

1116
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: out on the field, you know, Manuel Sanders, Diggs and

1117
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, there's not enough balls to go around. But

1118
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox is an important piece because he lets you

1119
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: be variable right here getting eleven personnel. It's that guy

1120
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: lined up in the backfield or is he up with

1121
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: the line of scrimage is he split out, like what's

1122
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: he doing? And again, he might catch one or two

1123
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: passes a game, or two or three, but it's gonna

1124
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: be for a first down or a touchdown. He gets

1125
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: utilized heavily in the red zone as you see watching

1126
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: these throws see him. It's not gonna have gaudy numbers,

1127
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: but they're going to be important numbers. And you know,

1128
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: not to mention the fact that he's he's a willing

1129
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: blocker as well. I love tight ends simply because they

1130
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: usually run the easiest routes for quarterbacks to complete or

1131
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: to think about. You know what I mean. It's not

1132
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: double moves. We're gonna run a post in a corner

1133
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: and then you know it'll come back right. It's like what,

1134
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: oh wait, you gotta huh, went to the tight end,

1135
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: get down the scene, you know, get to the corner,

1136
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: get a mismatch on a linebacker, and take advantage of

1137
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: your superior athleticism, which Dawson Knox does extraordinarily. Will so Ticky,

1138
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: I want to get the running back perspective from you

1139
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: on how the Bills are using theirs. So you know,

1140
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary was the first guy out of the shoot

1141
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: at the start of the season. Zach Moss was a

1142
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: healthy and active the first week, and then he's he's

1143
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: busting linebackers heads in week two at Miami down at

1144
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: the goal line. I mean, he wrecked the land in

1145
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: roberts On that Secon can have for touchdown run going

1146
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder with him. And then he factors into

1147
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: the passing game last week. So it's just a curious

1148
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: balance that they're trying to strike back there. What do

1149
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: you make of it through three games, even though we

1150
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: probably don't have the full picture yet. Yeah, I think

1151
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: it's a luxury to have a guy like Zach Moss.

1152
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know what was going on

1153
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: in training camp. I wasn't there. I don't know it

1154
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: was what happened leading up to the game, but it

1155
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: sounded like he got challenged, he wasn't doing something right

1156
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: and he got challenged. He came back with a vigor

1157
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: and is playing with so much aggression. He gets utilized

1158
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. You're right, both running draws

1159
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: or screens. He's also you know, willing blocker as well.

1160
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: But I think that the versatility of the entire backfield.

1161
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: Devin Singletire is obviously the main man there. He's averaging

1162
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: over five yards to carry, and that's that's encouraging because

1163
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: it makes things easier for your quarterback. But but but

1164
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: also Reggie Gilliam, you know, I see him in the

1165
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: game and I call it big ten, you know what

1166
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's not to not to steal the

1167
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: aggurative from the College Football Conference, but it's four wide

1168
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: receivers and and and Gilliam and so what is that? Right?

1169
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: They're not they running the ball out of that? Like

1170
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: what what's what? What's happening here? And we saw them

1171
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: run a motion screen around to Gabriel I think it

1172
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: was or maybe McKenzie that they ran it around too.

1173
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: Um And it's just it confuses a defense when you see,

1174
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, a four wide receivers on the field. They're

1175
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: lined up, you know, trips one way, you know, you know,

1176
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: a split X the other side, a fullback in the backfield.

1177
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: It looks like a tight ends. In your mind, you're like,

1178
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Like, how do I diagnose this?

1179
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: If we're playing man coverage? What you often get? I

1180
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: think that situation when's third and one it's man coverage,

1181
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: it's it's who's taking who. And I think Brian day

1182
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: Ball as a play caller can do so many varied

1183
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: things with this running back group Singletary and Moss and

1184
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: and even their fullback Reggie Gilliams. So I think they're

1185
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: in a good position to help Josh Allen grow because

1186
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: they can do so much. And that's all you want.

1187
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: You want to keep the defense guessing. Think for half

1188
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: a second, and you've already lost in some of these

1189
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: offenses that we're seeing in the NFL these days. Right,

1190
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: are you good? I'm good? Well, Okay, as a former Giant,

1191
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: I have to ask you about what are you seeing

1192
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: and how are you seeing Quon Barkley this year? I

1193
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: know that has been obviously being with the Giants and

1194
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: being in New Jersey you can hear and see all

1195
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: those things. Uh, how does he look so far? It's

1196
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: coming back from injury with his ACL Yeah. Well those

1197
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: first couple of games, Thurman he was, he was. You

1198
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: could tell he was thinking about it. Right, You know this,

1199
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: you get banged up, you just you can't help but

1200
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: think about man, is this step gonna be compromised? This

1201
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: step gonna not gonna give way, and so he was

1202
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: kind of truncated. They didn't want to commit to You know,

1203
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: it's a physical game. I know, I know we've we've

1204
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: legislated out the physicality of a lot of this game.

1205
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, if you're running back,

1206
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: it's a physical game. You gotta be willing to take shots.

1207
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: You gotta be willing to take edges and run through tackles.

1208
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not always or ever going to be clean,

1209
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: and I think there was a hesitancy early. We started

1210
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: to see him pop and runs. He had a forty

1211
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: one yard or against the Washington Football team on Thursday

1212
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: night two weeks ago. He had a fifteen or sixteen

1213
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: yard big play last weekend as well against the Atlanta Falcons.

1214
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: But it's too few and far between, and that's not

1215
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: his fault. Actually, it's on the offensive line. They've had

1216
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: some struggles. Whether it's Andrew Thomas, who was their first

1217
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: round pick last year, or the third round pick Matt Perk,

1218
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: their respective left and right tackles, they haven't played well.

1219
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: They've they've had some injuries on the offensive line. They're

1220
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: centering that Gates is out for the year, probably maybe

1221
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: you having to have a career in career ending leg break,

1222
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: and so they haven't had any continuity with the offensive line.

1223
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: And you know this, Therman, just like I know this.

1224
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: The reason I was good was because my offensive line

1225
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: was amazing and they had worked together for three years

1226
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: or so together and we just gelled. Same thing goes

1227
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: for you. You remember this as well, Glynn Parker and

1228
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: those guys. It's a different it's a different animal with

1229
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: this Giants team, and everybody, every facet is struggling because

1230
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: of it. The one good thing with the Giants is

1231
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones hasn't thrown an interception, and in certain

1232
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: games he's in certain moments and games he's really looked

1233
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: the part right. He throws a good deep ball. He's

1234
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: a good athlete, not dissimilar to Josh Allen. He could run.

1235
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: He's currently the leading rusher on the team right now,

1236
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: and they're starting to put more trust in him, and

1237
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing, because you got to

1238
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: figure out whether he's your guy. Tiki. We would be

1239
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: remiss if we didn't congratulate you for being on the

1240
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: Modern Era nominees list for the Pro Football Hall of

1241
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: Fame Class at twenty twenty two. Congrats for that. So

1242
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: with that in mind, With that in mind, I wanted

1243
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: to bounce this off you because I was talking to

1244
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: Thurman about it as well. I don't know if you

1245
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: saw today, but LaShaun McCoy announced his retirement. He's got

1246
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: just over eleven thousand rushing yards. I don't have to

1247
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: tell you that every running back in the Hall of Fame,

1248
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: at least in recent in the recent a it has

1249
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: twelve thousand or more rushing yards. What do you think

1250
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: about the prospect or potential of that kind of number

1251
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 1: coming down a little bit for the more modern era

1252
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: players knowing the propensity for more teams to throw the ball? Now,

1253
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: do you think maybe the Pro Football Hall of Fame

1254
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: selectors may consider someone like Lashawn McCoy a lot more

1255
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: knowing certainly the second half of his career took place

1256
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: in an era of football where everybody started throwing it

1257
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: all over the yard. Yeah, I definitely do. I mean,

1258
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: and you know, you guys know this, seeing how this

1259
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: has worked over the last few years. It's all about

1260
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: being able to create a narrative around somebody and that

1261
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: can work force a player or against the player. I'll

1262
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: give you the perfect example, Threll Owens. When he got

1263
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: when he was up for the Hall of Bame, He's

1264
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: easily a first ballot Hall of Fame. Right. Anybody who

1265
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: watched him play knew that he was one of the

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01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: best wide receivers in football, right, And didn't matter that

1267
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: he bounced around. He was a second leading receiver all

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01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: time when he retired. But when the time came for

1269
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: the conversation about t O, it was this narrative that

1270
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: started to percolate. I remember we had a conversation with

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01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: Clark Judge of the Hall of Fame Network at the time,

1272
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: and he was like, wait, wait, hold on, He's not

1273
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer because nobody

1274
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: wanted him. I was like, what what do you mean

1275
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: nobody wanted him? I mean he played for fourteen years,

1276
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: it was a second leading receiver all time. What do

1277
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: you mean nobody wanted him? And that's why it took

1278
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 1: two years. They didn't want to make him a first

1279
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer because there was this stigma that

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 1: surrounded him as a person and a personality. And so

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01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: I think as as as the game has evolved and

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01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: actually it's it's just coming circle again. Like the Roger

1283
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: Craigs of the world, the Thermon thomas Is of the world. Right,

1284
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: used to be you threw the ball to the running back,

1285
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen. You used to throw the ball to the

1286
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: running back and let him be on the edges. There's

1287
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: an extended run, so to speak, and I think that

1288
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: is that is evolved the game in so many ways,

1289
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they don't run between the tackles

1290
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: a lot. I actually thought Leshawn McCoy was going, I'm

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01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: in a unique group of NFL running backs and even

1292
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: Thurman's not in this group of ten thousand yard rushers

1293
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: and five thousand. Yeah, yeah, it's it's me, Marshall, Falk

1294
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: and Marcus and Marcus all And I thought that Leshawn

1295
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: was going to be the next one. But what happened

1296
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: is he started bouncing, right. He bounced from one from

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01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: Eagles to Buffalo and then you know, he just bounced

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01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: from team to team to team. Now, he won a

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01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: couple of Super Bowls these last couple of years with

1300
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: the Kent City Chiefs and Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but he

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01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: wasn't really a part of that. So the question becomes,

1302
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: can you create a narrative around Leshawn McCoy, And if

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01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: the answer in that Hall of Fame room, which is

1304
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: very secretive, becomes yes, then he has a real chance,

1305
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: especially given the way that running backs are being appreciated

1306
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: for their multi use roles in NFL to games. All right, listen, Ticky,

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01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. As always, we look forward to

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: seeing you up here this Kenyan Buffalo to do the

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01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 1: game with Beth Mullins on CBS. Thanks again, most most importantly, guys,

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01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get up and take check out

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: the Bills Mafia. Yeah. Yeah, that's Ti bar in the

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01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: NFL on CBS joining us here, and I think there

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01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 1: is I really am curious. I mean, I know we

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01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the show, but what becomes Well,

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01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: Tiki pointed out a good point too. There always are

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01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: narratives around players, and usually one of the Hall of

1317
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: Fame selectors is given an assignment. You have to stump

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01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: for this player, you have to, and then you present

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01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: that player's case, and that's how it works in the room,

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01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: and then they vote. So what is the narrative? I'm

1321
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: let's put our heads together here Thurman. What is the

1322
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 1: narrative that you think gives Lashawn McCoy the best chance

1323
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: to get thumbs up instead of thumbs down? And is

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01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: he a first ballot No, probably not. Is he a

1325
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: second ballot? Probably not. He might be waiting a little bit. Um,

1326
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: But what do you think is the best way to

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01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,440
Speaker 1: present Lashawn McCoy for induction in terms of his career? Um?

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: Why you start with the words that I look at

1329
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: when I see when I see play, dynamic, exciting. Um

1330
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: can control a game by himself? Yeah, I mean that's

1331
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: hard to do, especially at the running back position. You

1332
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: always hear about it at the quarterback position or whatever.

1333
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: Whether you talk about a running back that average over

1334
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: a hundred yards Rynu scrimmat yards per game. That's every

1335
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: single gambianuts that's putting in work. That's a lot of

1336
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: percentage of your offense is going through him and doing

1337
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: it over what twelve years he played twelve or thirteen? Yeah,

1338
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: so the last two year, two or three years? Not really? Yeah,

1339
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: as the primary guy, you look at a guy, did

1340
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: he make plays that he put up numbers? Did he

1341
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: give his team an opportunity to win football games? I

1342
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: don't know if he's a first ballot or a second ballot,

1343
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: but I do think one of these a Lashawn will

1344
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: be in Pro Football Hall of Fair. Yeah. So he

1345
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: played twelve years total, counting the Kansas City in Tampa

1346
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: years where he only appeared. He only had about one

1347
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: hundred and eleven carries over his last two years with

1348
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: Kansas City and Tampa. For his career, as we mentioned,

1349
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: just over eleven thousand rushing yards, only just under thirty

1350
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: nine hundred receiving yards, so he didn't get there. But

1351
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: total yards from scrimmage is an even fifteen thousand, so

1352
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: he didn't have ten and five, but he still had

1353
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: fifteen fifteen total. And as you said, he was the

1354
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: focal point of the offense for Philadelphia for probably a

1355
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: span of one, two, three, four, five, probably five years.

1356
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: Five of the six years he was in Philly, he

1357
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: was the focal point of the offense. Michael Vick Jackson,

1358
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: Jackson was there, they had weapons right and then three

1359
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: of the first four years he was here, he was

1360
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: the focal point of the offense. So I think that

1361
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: counts for something when you look to a guy every

1362
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: single week to tote the mail for you and be

1363
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: the engine that runs your offense, much like you did here.

1364
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think that's the way you

1365
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: probably present him to the Hall of Fame selectors. I

1366
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: think it is still going to take some time because

1367
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: he is a difficult case. That's why he's a difficult case.

1368
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: And then, as we always know, what also factors in

1369
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: is who the heck else is up on the nominee list,

1370
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: Like if you got some big names that are like,

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like Bruce Smith's on the list,

1372
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, done, Like you know what I mean? Like,

1373
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: if that guy's on the list and he's taken one

1374
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: of five or six spots, You're gonna wait until next year, buddy,

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like, it's just not gonna happen. No, I

1376
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: totally agree with you with all that. So I think

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01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna it will take a little bit of time,

1378
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: But I think his candidacy may get some more traction

1379
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: than people anticipate if they base it solely on his

1380
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: rushing numbers compared to some of the guys that have

1381
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: gotten in in the last ten fifteen years. And it

1382
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: comes down to his presentner too, who are right guy

1383
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: from Philadelphia and that's gonna be lobbing for him to

1384
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: get into Pro Football Hall of Fame. I think I

1385
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: think that is a big, big part of you getting

1386
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You are correct

1387
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: on that, no doubt about it. Thurman and I are

1388
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna take a break here. When we come back, we'll

1389
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: see if you got any thoughts for us on the

1390
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: tweet sheet in terms of which unit do you think

1391
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: is going to show up and play the biggest role

1392
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: in Sunday's game against the Texans. We'll do that when

1393
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 1: we come back, and maybe a little NFL true false.

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Collid of Health. It's Buffalo

1395
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. All right, welcome back One Bill's Live Thursday edition.

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 1: Chris Brown with Pro Football Hall of Famer thurm and

1397
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: Thomas joined us helping us out today. Thanks again for

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01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: doing that. Absolutely. I tek he played ten years. I

1399
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: think that's right. Ten years. Yeah, I had ten thousand

1400
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: yards and five thousand receiving yards. It's a lot. Yeah,

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01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: that's why he's on the list. Yeah, he's gonna get

1402
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: some consideration. He always always look at that list, and

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01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: I always look at like you look at him. Ten

1404
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: years Barry had ten years in fifteen thousands. Barry was

1405
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: also the whole damn team right for a while. I

1406
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: don't have to tell you that, right, but I always

1407
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: always look at those numbers to be like, wow, yeah,

1408
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of work. That's a lot of

1409
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: work for for himself, but the team not so much. Yeah,

1410
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 1: it was not a good deal. You know, Barry certainly

1411
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: better than I do. Being fellow alums of Oklahoma State,

1412
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure he would tell you that he would sacrifice

1413
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: five thousand of those yards in a second to win

1414
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. Absolutely, yeah, because that's why he got

1415
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: out right like he just I'm done, I'm not gonna

1416
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: win here. Yeah. I mean I think he only went

1417
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: to the playoffs like twice in ten years and being

1418
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: one of the most dynamic players ever and never going

1419
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I mean they went the last time

1420
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: that they went to the playoffs I think was nineteen

1421
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: ninety one. They might have went after that, but that's

1422
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: a year that the Riskins beat him. That the nfcles, Right,

1423
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: I remember that Eric Kramer was their quarterback. Eric Kramer. Yeah,

1424
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: that's good, pretty good? Wow? Um? Yeah, and now you

1425
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: know why Math Matthew Stafford said, get me the heck

1426
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: out of Dodge. Calvin Johnson said, I'm retiring. He took

1427
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: the Barry Sanders plan just said I'm out. Thanks for

1428
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: coming eight oh three oh five fifty then number to

1429
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: get on board. We're asking you which unit will play

1430
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: the biggest role in Sunday's game against the Texans. Let's

1431
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: go to the phones and leading us off. Here is

1432
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: Neil and Buffalo. Neil, what do you have for us?

1433
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: You're on one Bill's Live, Neil, Are you there? Yes,

1434
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: I am. What do you got for us? Neil? I

1435
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: would just let you know I sing Buffalo Bills are

1436
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: the best team, and I got to meet Simon Thomas

1437
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: and everybody when you were practicing in Fordonia. Oh boy,

1438
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: that's a little while ago, Thirm. Wow, I know. I'm

1439
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: fifty two years old. I won my first team when

1440
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: I was twelve years old, and I had been die

1441
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: hard ever since. Appreciate appreciate it. So it sounds like

1442
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: you're pretty excited to see a game on Sunday. Joelf

1443
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: Ferguson was the first quarterback I got to meet. That's cool. Well,

1444
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: all right, Neil, thanks very much for calling. We appreciate it. Um,

1445
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: he certainly pumped up for the game and man for Donia.

1446
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: That's a that's a minute ago, isn't it. I did

1447
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: the last I covered the last three training camps at

1448
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: Fredonia n ninety nine and the biggest thing that stuck

1449
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: out in those three years to me was Eric Molds

1450
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: taking over the ninety eight training camp. Right, oh my god,

1451
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: like his fur and I know you're kind of responsible

1452
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: for kicking him in the We need more from your buddy,

1453
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: need a little bit more from you, time to kick

1454
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: it into gear. Well message received, because that training camp

1455
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: in ninety eight, nobody could cover him. And I'm just like,

1456
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna explode this year. He looks like a

1457
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: man possessed. I remember that camp, Yes, I remember. I

1458
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: mean just going in the film room after practices and

1459
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: one you can ten plays a day exactly. We're like, wow,

1460
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: what you know? So at that portant time, you know,

1461
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: we used to break out into individual groups or whatever,

1462
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: but we were like really excited to come together as

1463
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: a team as a unit for the offense. It was

1464
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: because of Eric. Eric was making plays all over the

1465
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: seven or seven nobody could cover. Yeah, it was ridiculous. Yeah,

1466
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: Like even if somebody was in his hip pocket, he

1467
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: just kind of box him out like a basketball play,

1468
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: Like he was like Moses Malone. Yeah, boxing somebody out

1469
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: and still making a play. I still think he's one

1470
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: of the more underrated players in Bill's history. I put

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01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: Eric Molds Ted Washington. Yeah, like how Washington is I

1472
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: can't go against. I mean, I still don't think either

1473
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,480
Speaker 1: of those guys get enough respect for the exceptional athletes

1474
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: that they were. I mean, well, yeah they were, they were.

1475
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean Ted was dominant, dominant. How is he not

1476
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 1: on the nominee list? Yeah, I don't get it. And

1477
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: he played for almost twenty years. He didn't play for

1478
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: one of my saying twenty years. He played for almost twelve,

1479
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen years. I want to say he played

1480
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: for But I guarantee you if you look at his

1481
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: numbers and look at the defense, were they ranked, I

1482
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: guarantee the top ten all pretty much all almost all

1483
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: almost all of them. Yeah he was, Oh he was,

1484
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: so those those would be my top two you know

1485
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: of Bills like nineties, early two thousands Arab Bills that

1486
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 1: really I think just because the team didn't have as

1487
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 1: much success. Unfortunately, don't get enough recognition. But man, those

1488
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: guys got to get consideration. Well yeah, and Rube too. Well,

1489
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: we were talking about that yesterday with him, just all

1490
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: the guys in that era. God, he had a funny

1491
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: story yesterday. I don't know if he ever told you

1492
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: the story. So he's telling because we were talking about

1493
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: the whole Belichick Brady thing on Sunday, which has been

1494
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: pumped up to high heaven this week. I'm already ready

1495
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: to throw up. Yeah, no doubt, and it's only Thursday.

1496
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: But we were taught. He was telling us the story

1497
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: about at a Pro Bowl one year, him and Ted

1498
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: who used to always mess around in stretch line. They

1499
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: never stretched, they'd be like dancing around doing so now

1500
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: they're at the Pro bowls out it counts even less.

1501
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: And Belichick was coaching the AFC team that year. Yeah,

1502
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: and so him and Ted are messing around again. They're

1503
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: dancing whatever music is playing, and he says, Belichick comes

1504
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: up to him and says, aren't you even gonna stretch?

1505
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: And Rubin grabs Belichick by both arms and tries to

1506
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: start making him dance with him, and he said, you

1507
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: never saw somebody try to fight out of a hole

1508
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: faster than Belichick did. From that day forward, Belichick hated me.

1509
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: Every time I saw him, he'd be scowling at me

1510
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: and everything. And it's like Pro Bowl. That the Pro Bowl. Yeah,

1511
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: like you're really gonna give him a hard time at

1512
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? I guess no, day's off. It

1513
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: is a true mantra that he didn't buy. Unbelievable, but

1514
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: well you pretty funny him describing the story. One year,

1515
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: I think it was ninety When did we beat Denver

1516
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: in AFC Championship Game nine? Ten seven game you're talking about? Yeah,

1517
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: the ten seven game ninety one, I believe that was. Yeah.

1518
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: The coach was d Raids were still there. Yeah, yeah,

1519
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: try to make us go four pass when whatever. Because

1520
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship coaching staff coaches the Pro Bowl, so

1521
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:18,839
Speaker 1: he was made pads. He boycotted for two days. Nobody

1522
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: showed up the practice. We were trying to We're going

1523
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: full paths yea okay, yeah, Like a couple of the

1524
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: Bills are like, dude, we just came off with Super Bowl.

1525
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: We just got beaten out. I'm not ready to put

1526
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: on full pass. Oh yeah, Like me and Darrel like,

1527
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,719
Speaker 1: we're like Boycott. It's one of the years that Darren

1528
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: went to the UH to the Pro Bowl, and yeah

1529
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: we bought two days. I like, man ain't going out there.

1530
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: No sat on the side line. Let everybody else do

1531
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: their thing. Uh. Steve tells the story about how after

1532
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: when the Pro Bowl used to be after the Super Bowl,

1533
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: the after Super Bowl twenty five, you guys had to

1534
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: fly on the same plane as the Giants out to Honolulu. Yeah. Yeah,

1535
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't separate teams. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, those are

1536
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: the last guys you want to see. I mean yeah,

1537
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,560
Speaker 1: and Lawrence Taylor was on that flight too, and it

1538
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: was not purty. It was not purty. It was not pursy.

1539
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: He was all looped up. Oh yeah, looped up three

1540
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: times in one flight. There's a long flight, you know.

1541
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: He did it from Tampa to Los Angeles and Los

1542
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: Angeles to y Yeah, he did it twice. Oh my gosh.

1543
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: We've got players addressing the media here after practice, and

1544
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: I believe Matt Milano is addressing the media along with

1545
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 1: Micah Hide. Both of them are sitting there at the table.

1546
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: So let's go to those guys see what their thoughts are.

1547
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: On Sunday's game, we heard um, I believe it was

1548
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 1: Leslie who mentioned one thing that's really standing out off

1549
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: the field and even on is your far more vocal?

1550
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: Is that something that was a conscious effort this season

1551
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: or what has brought that about? Yeah, it's definitely on

1552
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 1: my mind a little bit more. Just trying to take

1553
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 1: that next step in my game. I'm just looking to

1554
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: improve helps me out and it helps the team out

1555
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: as well. So anything can do for that is That's

1556
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I feel like this is gonna

1557
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: sound weird at first, but physically you can like do reps,

1558
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: you can do more drills. How do you become more vocal? Like?

1559
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: What do you do? Oh? You just gotta talk more?

1560
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: I think, I mean you have any other ways I'd

1561
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: be glad to hear you just gotta flip the switch.

1562
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 1: So why weren't you as a vocal earlier in your career? Here?

1563
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure. You know it's a new year,

1564
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: um knew you knew me. You have to do with

1565
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: not the actual dollar amount, but the years and knowing

1566
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 1: with the new contracts, you're you're gonna be here a

1567
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: little longer now, I'm not really thinking about that. It's

1568
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: just I'm having fun. Um, we're playing great defense right now, Uh,

1569
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: in a in a good rhythm, So that's kind of

1570
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: kind of in a good flow. Stay right now, I

1571
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: guess you can say. And just making it happen. Now

1572
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: you're coming up a big game last week against Washington.

1573
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: Thinkers like I don't know for how many tackles were lost,

1574
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: the fumble recovery, things like that. Um, just what is

1575
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: it for you this season that maybe is there anything different,

1576
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: like a different approach in your game or anything like that. Um,

1577
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 1: not really, I'm just feeling really good out there healthwise.

1578
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: My mind's right, playing fast. Everybody around me is playing

1579
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: fast as well. I think once the collective unit is

1580
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: really flying around, that's when as some place I happened

1581
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: in Micah had his pick. Everybody's flying around, somebody's in

1582
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,679
Speaker 1: the way, something gets tipped, you know, ball gets lose.

1583
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: That's what happened. So I'm just playing fast and trying

1584
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 1: to keep that going. How nice is it for you?

1585
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: Because you know, I know that you've dealt with a

1586
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: lot of you know, injuries in your career so far,

1587
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: but to have that all behind you, and to be

1588
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: one hundred percent healthy to start this season. Just how

1589
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: how big is that and how how do you feel physically? Yeah,

1590
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: it feels great. Um, trying to keep it going the

1591
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 1: rest of the season. Did you do anything different in

1592
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: the off season to prepare your body? Do you do

1593
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: anything during the week to help prevent potential injuries? Um?

1594
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean gonna happen. It's a violent game,

1595
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 1: fast game, and sometimes things get hurt, things break. So

1596
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: here's what it is. I'm just taking each day one

1597
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: by one and trying to get better. You say, new year,

1598
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: new matt Um. Yeah, we know, we've known for a

1599
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: long time what Loton can do for the football team

1600
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: and he has been doing it a long time for

1601
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: the football team, so um, it's nothing new to us.

1602
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: I just think that he is uh was this year,

1603
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: five year five and and you know, just um out

1604
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: there making plays and playing fast. Mikey once. I think

1605
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: it was a couple of weeks ago you said, like turnovers,

1606
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: big plays, they happen in bunches, and for you guys,

1607
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: that's kind of happens now. But how do you keep

1608
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: that up? How do you make sure that that's something

1609
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: that this defense is able to do every week. Keep

1610
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: preaching it in practice, keep preaching it, um, film study.

1611
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: Once you get out on the practice field, fly around,

1612
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: make plays, and same thing on the on the game

1613
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: film or game field. You know you're out there. Um.

1614
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, given high effort, um, working on your fundamentals,

1615
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:07,799
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, whenever your opportunity

1616
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 1: comes balls in the air, you gotta catch it. Or

1617
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: if you have the opportunity to punch the ball out,

1618
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: go forward too. So UM, I just think it comes

1619
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: with with everything that we do each and every day

1620
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: talking about it. We preach it every day, so um,

1621
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: go out there and make it happen. Um. He's a

1622
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: he's a confident quarterback. He's stepping up in the pocket.

1623
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: He's got guys flying around him, and he's got a

1624
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: great arm so he can throw a good ball and

1625
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: uh gotta be ready for all right. That's a Milano

1626
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: and Mica hide and Uh, everybody's all about how Matt's

1627
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: being more vocal as a leader, which you know, I

1628
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: think it's just something you mature into. I don't think

1629
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: it's anything special. You just you feel, if you've been

1630
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 1: around for a while as he has, you know you've

1631
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: been you've been around US players too, Yeah, for the

1632
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: last five years. And I think that makes a big difference. Obviously,

1633
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, getting the contract or whatever. But you know what,

1634
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: he knows that he's on a great defense and if

1635
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: the communication has to be like that him to be

1636
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: a leader. I mean they I think he's heard and

1637
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: we've and he's showing us that he needs to be

1638
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,719
Speaker 1: a guy that needs to be on the football field

1639
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: when the defense is playing as great as they're playing

1640
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: right now. He's making plays, he's covering guys out of

1641
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: the backfield, running with tight ends, running running backs. I mean,

1642
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: he's doing it all. And you know what, I think

1643
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: when some of the guys asked him a question of whatever,

1644
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, he's more vocal about, yeah, I got this,

1645
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: don't worry about this. You know, I got this gap

1646
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 1: or I got the tight end or whatever. I think

1647
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: he's just more comfortable in the situation right now, and

1648
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: obviously having Sean McDermott and Leslie Lee Frasier right there

1649
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: with him, you know, and telling them he knows, Hey,

1650
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: you got to do this great job on this. When

1651
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: you hear that over and over, you become a leader.

1652
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: And I think him and like like Tremaine Amos, I

1653
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: think he's talking a little bit more than he's been

1654
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: vocal about the best three or four years. So you

1655
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: know what what Micah said. They just out there communicating

1656
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: and the communication as well, and you know what, guys

1657
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: are flying. Guys are confident that they're going to play

1658
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: well weekend and week out. Jermaine Edmonds and Matt Melano.

1659
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: This is the only defensive system they've ever known at

1660
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: the pro level. There's three or four, four or five

1661
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: years in it. Now. You should feel that comfortable, right,

1662
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: and they do. And that's why they're playing lights out

1663
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 1: right now. Hopefully it continues. Break time for us. Thurman

1664
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: and I will close it up next here on One

1665
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1666
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Thurman,

1667
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: Thomas want to just take a quick call here before

1668
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: we say goodbye. We go to Neil in North Carolina. Neil,

1669
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: what do you have for us? You're on One Bill's Live. Hey, guys, First,

1670
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: wanted to thank Thurmon for letting I had the honor

1671
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: of drive having him for five years to and from

1672
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: the show. So I hope you do him well, Thurman.

1673
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: But the questions I had for you, guys are one,

1674
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: with the running back tandem of Moss and single Arry,

1675
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: do you think they have the potential to be almost

1676
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: as good as Kenneth Davis and thurmon Thomas because of

1677
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: the way they're both different? And number two, Manuel Sanders,

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Speaker 1: you guys believe he's gonna make the difference in that

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Speaker 1: offense this year to make them go to the next step.

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Speaker 1: All right, good questions answer, Yeah, that's good, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for the call. All right, take the running back one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's well I'm getting I'm asking you to

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Speaker 1: compare him against you. First of all, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: say this, that's lofty comparison, like to compare him to

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer and a pretty damn good backup

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Speaker 1: running back who probably could have started on ten NFL

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Speaker 1: teams around the league. Yeah, so that's a lot. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we can say that about them yet.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to see more from them. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And then with respect to Sanders, yeah, I think he

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Speaker 1: could be a missing link, right, it could be a

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Speaker 1: missing link. Yeah, if he stays out there, he could

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Speaker 1: be to be and he's more versatile too, Like something

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Speaker 1: happens to Beasley and he misses the game. Move him

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Speaker 1: into the slot and then put Gabe on the field

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Speaker 1: and you're good. That is it, Thuram, thanks again for

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Speaker 1: coming in. Appreciate it. Shows fly by it. Don't think

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Speaker 1: they do all right. Appreciate the help. Tomorrow, Maddy's back

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Speaker 1: in that chair. We've got Tailgate Friday, ob L fan

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Speaker 1: mail bag and Greg co Sell and former Bill Special

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Speaker 1: Team's Ace Mark Pike. A loaded show. We'll see you tomorrow.