WEBVTT - The Human Centipede 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.680 On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.320 women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:11.639 husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef In 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:18.080 best start changing it with the Bell Cast. Hey, Caitlin, Yeah, Jamie, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:27.080 what was the last meal? You eight? I'm just asking, well, 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.960 it it doesn't matter because I threw it up after 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.239 watching this movie. Oh well, I just I was like, well, 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.400 we're two friends and we've been on vacation together, and 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.839 I just I was wondering what your last meal was here, wait, 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.040 let me let me try again. It was definitely not 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:52.000 someone else's poo pooh. Oh, what a disappointment. I was 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:56.800 really hoping it was going to be someone else's poop poo. Well, well, 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.520 egg on my face, uh and poopoo in my mouth. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:06.200 I didn't realize, Um, why what what was your last meal? Jamie? 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:11.000 It was poop? It was it was it was, you know, 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.480 and depending on I think the beauty of and today 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.000 we are. We we thought, listen, like there's a lot 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:22.080 going on. It's just like a really stressful, heavy time, 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.880 and so we wanted to meet the moment with an 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:32.040 episode about I think one of the most politically impactful 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.360 pieces of I'll just go ahead and say art. Well, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.160 not only that, I would call this this is not 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.319 only a feminist text. Oh yeah, I would say that 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.360 this is a feminist masterpiece. Oh yeah, I totally agree. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.480 And so we wanted to like, we wanted to spotlight 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:57.800 great feminist art um, to just start April and to 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.000 to really just you know, I think it's like this 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.640 is a if we're talking about gigantic feminist watershed moments 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.760 in cinema. I'm shocked it took us almost five years 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.560 to get to the Human Snipede, which is what we're covering. Yeah, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.840 and this is our probably most commonly requested episode. I 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.000 think it's requested at least fifteen hundred times at this point, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:28.080 if not more. Um, the people are just gagging on 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:33.440 pooh for us to cover this movie and finally we're 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.840 here and we're doing it, so um, the time is now. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.000 First of all, wanted to apologize that it's taken us 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.360 so long to cover it because the response, as you 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.960 were saying, Caitlin, it has been really overwhelming and I 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.160 feel like I'm getting two or three messages a day 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.120 to say to the point where people have figured out 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.280 what my home address are and they're sending me handwritten 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.280 letters being like where is it? Where is it? Where 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.919 is it? And so here it is. You know, it's 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.160 understandably it's going to be, you know, a really serious episode. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.960 And but but I think that we're gonna have a 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:16.680 really really rich, fiber full conversation and it's just gonna 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.520 be a mouthful of fiber. I feel like in terms 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.520 of what the episode is gonna be, like, what's gonna 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:31.280 be you don't like to listen to? Yeah, so so 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:38.279 this is the back pedcast. It's a really serious podcast. Yeah, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.000 I apologize for laughing. It's prior to what's going to 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:51.160 be such serious. It's not funny. Yeah, this is a 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.760 serious episode. Sometimes we do an episode on something, you know, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.560 like National Treasure where we can just go and sometimes 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.120 we do something club or This is not one of 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.560 those episodes. This, this is going to generate some very 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:10.160 serious discourse. And I apologize for laughing because I was inappropriate. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.600 We laugh. Humans laugh in response to fear, and human 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:20.680 centipede and human centipes um probably shouldn't laugh because their 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:26.720 mouth is full. They can't they can't laugh if they 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:33.919 laugh it's muffled. Um yeah, what if one of them, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.279 one of them gets a cold and their nose gets 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.680 stuffed up? Do they just suffocate? I feel like we're 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:46.720 introduced with kind of a cat dog dilemma with this film. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.800 But it's also just like what if there was a 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.080 third animal between I mean, I guess with the human centipee, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.320 what separates a human centipede from a cat dog is 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:00.880 the third piece is the centerpiece, Because apparently if you 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.880 remove the center of the human centipede, all you have 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:09.839 is a hilarious children's TV show. Um. But but the center, 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.000 the center person, really is what elevates it to a 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.280 feminist text, right, Yes, because I don't know. I mean, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.080 did we did you watch? Did you ever watch Cat Dog? 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.080 I didn't know. I was a big cat dog fan, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.360 and and and fans of cat Dog and people who 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.800 don't give a shit about cat dog are well versed 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.000 in the argument in just the discussion of like where 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.240 does the peepee come from? Where is the poop? Who 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.520 come from? Does it come from the cat's mouth, does 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.400 it come from the dog's mouth? Does it come from 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.400 somewhere in the middle of the tube, And in the 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.320 cat dog because cat Dog is like a cat head 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.920 on one end and then a dog head on the 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.200 other end, and they're just sort of like both attached 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.440 at the abdomen kind of thing. Yeah, they're just it's 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.320 a long animal tube and there's a cat at one 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.240 and a dog on one end, and they're just, you know, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.160 they're just simple links and they have a sweet relationship, 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.919 and they couldn't be more different. But they're on the 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.960 same tube. But um, pooping, as far as I know, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.520 never comes up in the show, and and I think 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:20.000 that that's maybe intense textually intentional, but there are times 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.240 where okay, so in cat Dog, just to like ease 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:27.640 us into the discussion, where I believe and cat dog 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.680 heads please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe there 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:35.599 are instances or perhaps a whole episode where cat gets 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:42.440 hairballs and they come out of dogs mouth. So that's 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.320 extremely confusing because it's not like cats poop out hairballs, 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.280 they come out of their mouth, and so they're just 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.160 kind of operating on a separate, separate level. Well, Cat 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.599 Dog doesn't sound like it's medically accurate, which the human 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:02.919 centipede claims to be. And as jam you and I 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.400 are both doctors. We are, Yeah, we can confirm that 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:11.960 the human centipeate is medically accurate. Yes, this is if 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.280 if you were to do this, this is everyone would 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.760 look like the Joker, except their head is attached to 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:22.480 someone's butt. Um. That's exactly how it would go. And well, 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.040 by the way, I mean, if this is your first episode, welcome, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.880 This is a really serious podcast that we started to 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.840 really start human discussions. And I feel like our podcast 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.960 is kind of a human centipete of ideas and in fact, 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.080 we've really we really just we started the podcast to 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.960 be able to talk about this episode. This is like 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.720 the grand what if this is our last episode? This 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.000 is the Grand Female? This is it. I feel like though, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.600 if you do remember that that when you contacted me, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.960 I mean I would say probably five years ago now 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.880 about to start discussing, you know, doing this show together. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.920 This was I think it took up a good hour 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.160 of our discussion of like, well, this is obviously where 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.880 we're building too, or we we would want to build too, 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.320 but it would take at least four years, and we 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.000 need to build trust, and we need to build a 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.200 listener base because we want this message to get across 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:24.120 to as many mouths ear, but mouth really and as 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.240 we can depending on what side of the center, peter 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.000 On and some of us are on both sides, and 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.440 so it's just it's an exchange of like what is 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:40.640 a human centipete if not an exchange of ideas? You know, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.360 um where you know it's this human said to beat 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.040 is a metaphor. And if you're in the center, oh 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.640 certainly it's the least comfortable place to be. But are 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:57.120 you not both giving and receiving ideas from your peers? Yes, yes, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.600 and the answers yes, and you may in fact be 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:12.400 the ask girls as a result, uh the ba um yeah, even. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.440 I mean, you know, I wish that this is a 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.120 really serious episode. I think it's really important to clarify 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:25.439 what this show is about. So on this podcast we 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:31.079 analyze movies, works of arts such as Human Centipede from 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:37.080 an intersectional feminist lens, using the Backtel test as a 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.000 jumping off point. And we've been you know, the test 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.960 has been evolving along like our rendition of the test 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:49.120 has been evolving along with the show these past many years, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.199 to the point where I would like to propose the 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:59.560 newest rendition. I mean, what better episode do two people 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:07.440 of any marginalized gender poop into the mouth of one another. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:14.600 I'm so glad you're saying this for at the end 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:18.960 question mark, right. I mean it's dialogue, I think really 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:23.559 notwithstanding because there there you are introduced with the problem 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.280 when you get to a certain part of this Human 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.559 Centipede of how on earth could we pass this test 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:32.360 if if our mouths are sown to our dear friends anuss. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.480 But that's why I'm proposing this, because we don't want 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.000 to leave anyone out. Absolutely not. This test is inclusive, 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:44.120 and it you know, people who's who cannot communicate verbally 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.120 because their mouth has been sown to the anus of 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:52.720 some other person specific. Yeah, but you know it's it's 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.920 representation that we had failed to see on screen before 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.719 this movie. So this movie really sheds a light on 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:05.960 those people and they should be included in the in 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.719 this test. So I felt, I felt. I just want 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.040 to start by saying I felt represented in the Human 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:19.079 Centipede because I have been a clueless American white girl 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.760 on vacation with a friend stumbling around there. You have 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.560 been that friend at at at many points, and so 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.079 it's like, oh, what is the human centipede. If not, 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.760 you know, the worst case scenario of us on tour, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:39.040 of us just stumbling around wherever we happened to be, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.600 and if we got to the to the woods of 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:47.800 question Mark, Common Germany, this very well could have been us. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:52.840 And so it's a cautionary tale in many ways as well. Um, 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.600 what was your what was your experience with this? And 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.240 I'd like to just call it a text. Um, I 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.840 don't want to, you know, use kind of a dismissive term. 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:09.679 It's not simply a movie. No, No, this this text this, uh, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.120 this document this manifesto, it's what what isn't it? Did 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:19.240 you ever say documentary? Documentary? I was going to just 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:25.400 say document but I was like, whoo. But when you 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.439 think about it, it it could be maybe it is a documentary. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.240 What if we just don't it's a documentary, we just 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:35.360 don't know it yet. Yeah, could be. So my relationship 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:42.120 with this, I remember when the trailers were circulating on 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.160 I think the internet, Like I didn't see the trailers 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.400 weren't you know, on television or in front of any 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.440 movie I was seeing in theaters. But okay, you're distancing 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.560 I feel you. I feel you're distancing yourself from the 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.520 human sense, and I'm sorry. Well, I saw the trailers 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:03.640 and I was living with I think I was living 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.559 with j T at the time. Word caught on about 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.400 this movie, and I remember, I remember the marketing. The 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.520 marketing was you know this. You get a sense of 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.319 what the movie was about based on the trailer, and 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.880 I remember the claims that it was medically accurate, and 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.360 I was like, well, not only that, but it looks 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.240 to me like it's the most feminist film ever made. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.839 So I have to see this. This is like, really, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.920 you know, an intersection of all of my interests, you know, 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:45.480 medical accuracy, poo pooh feminism. Poop poo feminism was I 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.120 think a big discussion in the late two thousand's. I 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.360 would qualify a lot of movies that came out in 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:57.600 the two thousands as poo poo feminism. Yeah, so we 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.400 we got ahold of it somehow, j He and I. 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.640 So I saw it in like I think it was 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.720 like or maybe eleven. I don't know. You were early, 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.600 you were really, I was an early viewer of this text. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:16.679 It is true, and I loved it. I was like, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.120 this is I feel I feel seen, I feel heard. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:27.040 I haven't seen a movie this feminist in ever, so 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.400 it became one of my favorite movies of all time. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.960 What about your TV? My history with Human Centipede was 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.800 I honestly wasn't sure even going into because I hadn't. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.600 I feel like I have a habit in my life 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.520 depriving myself of joy, and so I hadn't seen this. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.720 I had just been kind of like intentionally depriving myself 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.880 of this text for for years out of avoidance and 0:14:56.000 --> 0:15:01.040 just not wanting to feel really great. Um. I honestly 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.240 wasn't sure in preparing for this episode if Human Centipede 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.240 was like an online joke that became a movie, or 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.920 if the movie came first and then it became an 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.720 online joke because I had not seen so I had 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.280 to go back and because you know how like I 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.400 kind of thought that it was it had gone in 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.920 the direction of slender Man, where like Human Centipede was 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:29.600 this online thing and then it became I p But 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.080 it turns out I was quite wrong. It came from 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.960 the mind of one genius and then Mr Tom six 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.880 Feminist Icons six. Yeah, I think we should up him 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.680 to seven. While we're at it. Um Tom six, who 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.000 is also I mean, I think fascinating is an applicable word. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.800 Just who he is, um, the Tom six universe, um, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.200 and how he got his money is fascinating to me. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.000 We'll get to that. But yeah, I kind of thought 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:04.120 this was an Internet thing that became a cinematic text 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.880 and was I don't know if the phrase is pleasantly surprised, 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.360 but I was, you know, artistically intrigued that it was 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.240 in fact a single person's idea that I mean, most 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.080 of what I knew about the human centipede was just 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.000 like internet jokes, like because I feel like they, I 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.480 mean they you know EBB that they you know, wax 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.360 and Wayne like the moon. But human centipede jokes are 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.720 always around, and in fact, I think there should be 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.400 more of them. Let's get let's get to waxing folks. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.880 We need more human centipede jokes. Going seriously. Um, yeah, 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.440 So this was my first time really taking it all in. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.280 I felt I felt really center of the centipede. Um. 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.560 I was taking it in and I was letting it out, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.720 you know. So it was an absolute pleasure to prepare 0:16:54.800 --> 0:17:04.320 for this really important episode. I will say, what is okay, 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.400 this is maybe I don't want to like get ahead 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:10.560 of ourselves. But what is your favorite part of Humans 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.960 and Defeat, Like, what's your favorite theme? I do have 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:19.159 a favorite, like moment um. This feels like cheating, but 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.359 all of them, every scene I love. I love that 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.000 it's a tight I was honestly thrilled to be like, oh, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.640 it's just an hour and a half. I was terrified 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.679 that it would be a second longer. My favorite moment 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.480 in the Human Centipede parentheses first sequence, by the way, 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.520 and you know we did not watch the other two. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.400 I did consider it though, but I said, you know what, 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.080 I've felt enough joy for one week. I you need 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.679 things to look forward to, you know, especially especially in 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.080 this pandemic. It's not a binger. I mean, yeah, you 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.680 want to like prolong this as much as you can, exactly. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:00.240 My favorite moment in first sequence was when the so, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.879 you know, the cops are a little too good in 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.080 this movie, right, I don't know what German cops are like, 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.840 but I can assume not great, right, But there is 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.960 a moment where when after the police have arrived, where 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.959 they're like, so you made the Human Centipede, right, and 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.600 he's like, no, no, I did not make the human 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.879 sent feed, but the human centipete cage is out. And 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.160 my favorite moment in the whole cinematic text is when 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.600 the cop is looking at the humans and human sentipet 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:37.800 cage and going, h what is this? But it's literally 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.320 the human centipete cage and it's just out there for anyone, 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.239 for anyone to stumble across. So, you know, I just 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.480 thought that that was a beautiful moment of I don't 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.040 I mean, I don't even know what I would call 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.800 you have to film degrees, what would you know? What 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.200 is that play there? What's going on there? Me? Is 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.320 it irony? Is it? It's a little bit, it's you know, 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.360 I would classify it as a number of things. It's um, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:09.360 you know, it's perhaps foreshadowing. It's um, it's motif, it's 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.959 it's allegory, it's definitely Oh, there's a lot of metaphorically 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.480 on here. Yeah, um, you know, it's plant and payoff, 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.760 it's it's just a lot of it's a lot of 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.280 narrative devices all rolled into one. Because you know, this 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.239 is just a really masterfully written screenplay that is just 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.600 like making use of a lot of just like very 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:36.480 effective narrative devices. I totally agree. I mean, and I 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.440 had a fun like White Stripes moment trying to figure 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.359 out if Tom six and a Lot of six were 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:48.959 married or siblings. Oh, um, they are siblings, unlike the 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.160 White You. I always assumed the White Stripes were siblings, 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.040 but they were dating. This is quite the opposite, I see. 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.359 But yeah, I mean this is this isn't you know, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:02.680 an oh to our piece, uh from from the six family, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.359 which which is kind of fun down to the editing. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.440 You know, Tom six was one of the credited editors, 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.000 of course, So I mean, when you have this brilliance 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.439 a concept, you have to be really protective of it. 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.560 I mean, you wouldn't want to get this wrong. You 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.360 don't want to put this in the hands of some 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:23.880 ya who who can't edit together the Human Centipede. Yeah, 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.760 I understand that he wanted to do that himself. Yeah, 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:34.480 a movie is so good that nonfeminine like misogynist icon. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:40.120 Roger Ebert refused to give it any rating because it 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:45.440 was to quote unquote gross, which I think intentionally misses 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:51.000 the point. Yeah, gosh, Roger Ebert, don't get us started. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.720 I already know we were not going to refuse to 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:59.200 give it a rating on our scale and cowards. I 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.080 already know what rating I'm going to give it, which 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.120 is obviously five nipples. Oh yeah, I don't see any 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:05.919 reason to hold back on what we're going to be 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.480 giving this movie. It's going to be five and well, actually, 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:14.080 actually the human centipede featured in this film has six nipples. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.399 Oh that's true. Let's be included. Let's include every nipple. 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:23.880 So human snapede facts with Caitlin human sonapedes. At least 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.720 this I mean there. I mean again, I haven't seen 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:31.440 the sequels. I don't know if more centipedes get attached. 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:37.840 My understanding is, and I honestly didn't fully check, but 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.320 my understanding is that with each passing film, the centipede 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.280 gets the centipede gets longer, several times longer. Yeah, that 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.960 makes sense. So at least for um, what's this one 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.199 called first sequence? The third one? The third one may 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.440 in fact be as like scented like a full hundred. 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.200 I'm not totally sure, but they might have. Really, that's 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:03.000 where it was added. That's I mean heightening. If you 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:09.200 want to learn about heightening and storytelling, my gutwait really quick, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.600 just go to the Wikipedia page for the Human Centipee 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.760 three and look at the poster and it might be 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:23.840 more than a hundred on god, that is so I 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:28.600 don't want to know anything else. This is so fucked up. 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.440 That's a lot of people. Uh so, yeah, safe to 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:39.200 say it gets longer than three. Um, but we did not, 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.480 We did not watch It looks like it just gets 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.600 longer with every movie. And I'm pretty sure based on 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.600 I consulted horror buff and friend of the cast Corey 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.080 Johnson about this because I was like, who, off the 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.399 top of my head, can I be certain has seen 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:58.520 all three Human Centipee movies and it is her? And 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.520 of course she said, um, she said, what what we 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.679 know already, which is that there is a message to 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:10.280 the first Human Centipede movie if what you sacrifice, and 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.679 that is a pretty short centipede. And as the centipede 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:18.960 gets longer, perhaps the powerful message gets smaller. You know, 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.080 it's a given take. So if you want a long centipede, 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.840 it has to be meaningless. If you have a short centipede, 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:31.640 you can have a powerful, tight react structure. Sure of course. Yeah. 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.639 So all that to say that the centipede featured in 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:42.040 this first film, this first work of art has six nipples. Therefore, 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:47.440 that is what I will be giving this movie. I wis, yes, 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:54.840 thank you, thank you so much. Um so, uh do 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.600 we need to talk about anything else before I recap 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:02.080 this brilliant narrative? Um? I don't think so. I mean 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.120 I think that you know, we we shouldn't hold back 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.960 any longer and really just like really, you know, release 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.320 like the information. Yeah, I'd love to um feed you 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:20.560 so to speak the recap Oh yes, please, please please 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.200 and iconic? How did that not end up on an 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:28.360 a f I list? Feed her, feed her, and if 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:32.960 you apply that to feed her knowledge, it becomes this 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.800 really powerful thing. It all depends on the direction you're 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:42.240 coming at it analytically. It's a brilliant film. Yeah, of course. Actually, 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.800 let's take a quick break first, you know, go to 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.720 the bathroom or whatever you need to do, and will 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:58.600 be right back. Okay. The Human Centipede first sequence opens 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:04.199 on a man. He is looking at some photos of 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:08.960 three dogs who are seen all kind of standing in 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:12.080 a single file line. They're in a row. They seem 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.760 to be sniffing each other's butts. We don't, but we 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:19.399 don't really might it be something more? And then we 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:23.480 see that same man approach a trucker who has pulled 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:28.400 off the road to take a poopoo, which is the first, um, 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.840 the first indication that that poopoo might be featured as 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.199 a motif in this film. I really thought that was 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.960 a tasteful introduction of what a prominent motif was going 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:39.840 to be, because then you go back and you watch 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:43.240 it later and you're like, oh my god, I mean again, 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:47.720 foreshadowing at its finest. Incredible stuff. Yeah, really really thoughtful. 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.639 So the man is seen approaching this uh, this truck 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.280 driver with a gun. Oh god, and we're like, oh. 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:59.640 Then we cut to two women, Lindsay and Jenny. They 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:04.560 are American tourists in Germany and they are heading to 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:09.040 a party but they get lost. Their car gets a 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:12.879 flat tire, they get out and walk through the middle 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:17.040 of the woods, which, really, it should be said, the 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:21.760 entire beginning of the movie between Lindsey and Jenny pretty 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.400 thoroughly passes the Bechdel test. They are talking to each 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:27.919 other about like do I want to go out? Do 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:29.560 I not want to go out? What do I want 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.199 to do? Oh my gosh, you know where we are No, 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:38.040 I don't. They're having really impactful conversations, and so I 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.560 feel like, also early on, you learned like, oh, this 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:45.919 is about women, this is about women, this is a 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:51.800 woman's story. This is an empowering story about female friendship. Yeah, 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:55.200 we see them interact a lot, and I honestly, I'm 0:26:55.320 --> 0:27:01.040 genuinely very invested in their friendship, particularly with and we'll 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:04.320 get there, but like where their story goes, you know, 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.960 and where their story and I honestly I was not 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:13.800