1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef In 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bell Cast. Hey, Caitlin, Yeah, Jamie, 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: what was the last meal? You eight? I'm just asking, well, 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: it it doesn't matter because I threw it up after 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: watching this movie. Oh well, I just I was like, well, 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: we're two friends and we've been on vacation together, and 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: I just I was wondering what your last meal was here, wait, 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: let me let me try again. It was definitely not 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: someone else's poo pooh. Oh, what a disappointment. I was 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: really hoping it was going to be someone else's poop poo. Well, well, 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: egg on my face, uh and poopoo in my mouth. 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: I didn't realize, Um, why what what was your last meal? Jamie? 15 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: It was poop? It was it was it was, you know, 16 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: and depending on I think the beauty of and today 17 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: we are. We we thought, listen, like there's a lot 18 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: going on. It's just like a really stressful, heavy time, 19 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: and so we wanted to meet the moment with an 20 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: episode about I think one of the most politically impactful 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: pieces of I'll just go ahead and say art. Well, 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: not only that, I would call this this is not 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: only a feminist text. Oh yeah, I would say that 24 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: this is a feminist masterpiece. Oh yeah, I totally agree. 25 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: And so we wanted to like, we wanted to spotlight 26 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: great feminist art um, to just start April and to 27 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: to really just you know, I think it's like this 28 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: is a if we're talking about gigantic feminist watershed moments 29 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: in cinema. I'm shocked it took us almost five years 30 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: to get to the Human Snipede, which is what we're covering. Yeah, 31 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: and this is our probably most commonly requested episode. I 32 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: think it's requested at least fifteen hundred times at this point, 33 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: if not more. Um, the people are just gagging on 34 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: pooh for us to cover this movie and finally we're 35 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: here and we're doing it, so um, the time is now. 36 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: First of all, wanted to apologize that it's taken us 37 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: so long to cover it because the response, as you 38 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: were saying, Caitlin, it has been really overwhelming and I 39 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: feel like I'm getting two or three messages a day 40 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: to say to the point where people have figured out 41 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: what my home address are and they're sending me handwritten 42 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: letters being like where is it? Where is it? Where 43 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: is it? And so here it is. You know, it's 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: understandably it's going to be, you know, a really serious episode. 45 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: And but but I think that we're gonna have a 46 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: really really rich, fiber full conversation and it's just gonna 47 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: be a mouthful of fiber. I feel like in terms 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: of what the episode is gonna be, like, what's gonna 49 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: be you don't like to listen to? Yeah, so so 50 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:38,279 Speaker 1: this is the back pedcast. It's a really serious podcast. Yeah, 51 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: I apologize for laughing. It's prior to what's going to 52 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: be such serious. It's not funny. Yeah, this is a 53 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: serious episode. Sometimes we do an episode on something, you know, 54 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: like National Treasure where we can just go and sometimes 55 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: we do something club or This is not one of 56 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: those episodes. This, this is going to generate some very 57 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: serious discourse. And I apologize for laughing because I was inappropriate. 58 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: We laugh. Humans laugh in response to fear, and human 59 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: centipede and human centipes um probably shouldn't laugh because their 60 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: mouth is full. They can't they can't laugh if they 61 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: laugh it's muffled. Um yeah, what if one of them, 62 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: one of them gets a cold and their nose gets 63 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: stuffed up? Do they just suffocate? I feel like we're 64 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: introduced with kind of a cat dog dilemma with this film. 65 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: But it's also just like what if there was a 66 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: third animal between I mean, I guess with the human centipee, 67 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: what separates a human centipede from a cat dog is 68 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: the third piece is the centerpiece, Because apparently if you 69 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: remove the center of the human centipede, all you have 70 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: is a hilarious children's TV show. Um. But but the center, 71 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: the center person, really is what elevates it to a 72 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: feminist text, right, Yes, because I don't know. I mean, 73 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: did we did you watch? Did you ever watch Cat Dog? 74 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was a big cat dog fan, 75 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: and and and fans of cat Dog and people who 76 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: don't give a shit about cat dog are well versed 77 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: in the argument in just the discussion of like where 78 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: does the peepee come from? Where is the poop? Who 79 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: come from? Does it come from the cat's mouth, does 80 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: it come from the dog's mouth? Does it come from 81 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle of the tube, And in the 82 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: cat dog because cat Dog is like a cat head 83 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: on one end and then a dog head on the 84 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: other end, and they're just sort of like both attached 85 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: at the abdomen kind of thing. Yeah, they're just it's 86 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: a long animal tube and there's a cat at one 87 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: and a dog on one end, and they're just, you know, 88 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: they're just simple links and they have a sweet relationship, 89 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: and they couldn't be more different. But they're on the 90 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: same tube. But um, pooping, as far as I know, 91 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: never comes up in the show, and and I think 92 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: that that's maybe intense textually intentional, but there are times 93 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: where okay, so in cat Dog, just to like ease 94 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: us into the discussion, where I believe and cat dog 95 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: heads please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe there 96 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: are instances or perhaps a whole episode where cat gets 97 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: hairballs and they come out of dogs mouth. So that's 98 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: extremely confusing because it's not like cats poop out hairballs, 99 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: they come out of their mouth, and so they're just 100 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: kind of operating on a separate, separate level. Well, Cat 101 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: Dog doesn't sound like it's medically accurate, which the human 102 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: centipede claims to be. And as jam you and I 103 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: are both doctors. We are, Yeah, we can confirm that 104 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: the human centipeate is medically accurate. Yes, this is if 105 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: if you were to do this, this is everyone would 106 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: look like the Joker, except their head is attached to 107 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: someone's butt. Um. That's exactly how it would go. And well, 108 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, if this is your first episode, welcome, 109 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: This is a really serious podcast that we started to 110 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: really start human discussions. And I feel like our podcast 111 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: is kind of a human centipete of ideas and in fact, 112 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: we've really we really just we started the podcast to 113 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: be able to talk about this episode. This is like 114 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: the grand what if this is our last episode? This 115 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: is the Grand Female? This is it. I feel like though, 116 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: if you do remember that that when you contacted me, 117 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean I would say probably five years ago now 118 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: about to start discussing, you know, doing this show together. 119 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: This was I think it took up a good hour 120 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: of our discussion of like, well, this is obviously where 121 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: we're building too, or we we would want to build too, 122 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: but it would take at least four years, and we 123 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: need to build trust, and we need to build a 124 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: listener base because we want this message to get across 125 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: to as many mouths ear, but mouth really and as 126 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: we can depending on what side of the center, peter 127 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: On and some of us are on both sides, and 128 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: so it's just it's an exchange of like what is 129 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: a human centipete if not an exchange of ideas? You know, 130 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: um where you know it's this human said to beat 131 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: is a metaphor. And if you're in the center, oh 132 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: certainly it's the least comfortable place to be. But are 133 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: you not both giving and receiving ideas from your peers? Yes, yes, 134 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: and the answers yes, and you may in fact be 135 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: the ask girls as a result, uh the ba um yeah, even. 136 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I wish that this is a 137 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: really serious episode. I think it's really important to clarify 138 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: what this show is about. So on this podcast we 139 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: analyze movies, works of arts such as Human Centipede from 140 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens, using the Backtel test as a 141 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: jumping off point. And we've been you know, the test 142 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: has been evolving along like our rendition of the test 143 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: has been evolving along with the show these past many years, 144 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: to the point where I would like to propose the 145 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: newest rendition. I mean, what better episode do two people 146 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: of any marginalized gender poop into the mouth of one another. 147 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're saying this for at the end 148 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: question mark, right. I mean it's dialogue, I think really 149 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: notwithstanding because there there you are introduced with the problem 150 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: when you get to a certain part of this Human 151 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: Centipede of how on earth could we pass this test 152 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: if if our mouths are sown to our dear friends anuss. 153 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: But that's why I'm proposing this, because we don't want 154 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: to leave anyone out. Absolutely not. This test is inclusive, 155 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: and it you know, people who's who cannot communicate verbally 156 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: because their mouth has been sown to the anus of 157 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: some other person specific. Yeah, but you know it's it's 158 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: representation that we had failed to see on screen before 159 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: this movie. So this movie really sheds a light on 160 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: those people and they should be included in the in 161 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: this test. So I felt, I felt. I just want 162 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: to start by saying I felt represented in the Human 163 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: Centipede because I have been a clueless American white girl 164 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: on vacation with a friend stumbling around there. You have 165 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: been that friend at at at many points, and so 166 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, what is the human centipede. If not, 167 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, the worst case scenario of us on tour, 168 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: of us just stumbling around wherever we happened to be, 169 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: and if we got to the to the woods of 170 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: question Mark, Common Germany, this very well could have been us. 171 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: And so it's a cautionary tale in many ways as well. Um, 172 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: what was your what was your experience with this? And 173 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: I'd like to just call it a text. Um, I 174 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, use kind of a dismissive term. 175 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: It's not simply a movie. No, No, this this text this, uh, 176 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: this document this manifesto, it's what what isn't it? Did 177 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: you ever say documentary? Documentary? I was going to just 178 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: say document but I was like, whoo. But when you 179 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: think about it, it it could be maybe it is a documentary. 180 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: What if we just don't it's a documentary, we just 181 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: don't know it yet. Yeah, could be. So my relationship 182 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: with this, I remember when the trailers were circulating on 183 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: I think the internet, Like I didn't see the trailers 184 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: weren't you know, on television or in front of any 185 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: movie I was seeing in theaters. But okay, you're distancing 186 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: I feel you. I feel you're distancing yourself from the 187 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: human sense, and I'm sorry. Well, I saw the trailers 188 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: and I was living with I think I was living 189 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: with j T at the time. Word caught on about 190 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: this movie, and I remember, I remember the marketing. The 191 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: marketing was you know this. You get a sense of 192 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: what the movie was about based on the trailer, and 193 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: I remember the claims that it was medically accurate, and 194 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: I was like, well, not only that, but it looks 195 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: to me like it's the most feminist film ever made. 196 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: So I have to see this. This is like, really, 197 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, an intersection of all of my interests, you know, 198 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: medical accuracy, poo pooh feminism. Poop poo feminism was I 199 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: think a big discussion in the late two thousand's. I 200 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: would qualify a lot of movies that came out in 201 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: the two thousands as poo poo feminism. Yeah, so we 202 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: we got ahold of it somehow, j He and I. 203 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: So I saw it in like I think it was 204 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: like or maybe eleven. I don't know. You were early, 205 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: you were really, I was an early viewer of this text. 206 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: It is true, and I loved it. I was like, 207 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: this is I feel I feel seen, I feel heard. 208 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a movie this feminist in ever, so 209 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: it became one of my favorite movies of all time. 210 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: What about your TV? My history with Human Centipede was 211 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: I honestly wasn't sure even going into because I hadn't. 212 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: I feel like I have a habit in my life 213 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: depriving myself of joy, and so I hadn't seen this. 214 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: I had just been kind of like intentionally depriving myself 215 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: of this text for for years out of avoidance and 216 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: just not wanting to feel really great. Um. I honestly 217 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: wasn't sure in preparing for this episode if Human Centipede 218 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: was like an online joke that became a movie, or 219 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: if the movie came first and then it became an 220 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: online joke because I had not seen so I had 221 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: to go back and because you know how like I 222 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: kind of thought that it was it had gone in 223 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: the direction of slender Man, where like Human Centipede was 224 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: this online thing and then it became I p But 225 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: it turns out I was quite wrong. It came from 226 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: the mind of one genius and then Mr Tom six 227 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: Feminist Icons six. Yeah, I think we should up him 228 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: to seven. While we're at it. Um Tom six, who 229 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: is also I mean, I think fascinating is an applicable word. 230 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: Just who he is, um, the Tom six universe, um, 231 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: and how he got his money is fascinating to me. 232 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: We'll get to that. But yeah, I kind of thought 233 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: this was an Internet thing that became a cinematic text 234 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: and was I don't know if the phrase is pleasantly surprised, 235 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: but I was, you know, artistically intrigued that it was 236 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: in fact a single person's idea that I mean, most 237 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: of what I knew about the human centipede was just 238 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: like internet jokes, like because I feel like they, I 239 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: mean they you know EBB that they you know, wax 240 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: and Wayne like the moon. But human centipede jokes are 241 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: always around, and in fact, I think there should be 242 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: more of them. Let's get let's get to waxing folks. 243 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: We need more human centipede jokes. Going seriously. Um, yeah, 244 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: So this was my first time really taking it all in. 245 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: I felt I felt really center of the centipede. Um. 246 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: I was taking it in and I was letting it out, 247 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: you know. So it was an absolute pleasure to prepare 248 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: for this really important episode. I will say, what is okay, 249 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: this is maybe I don't want to like get ahead 250 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: of ourselves. But what is your favorite part of Humans 251 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: and Defeat, Like, what's your favorite theme? I do have 252 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: a favorite, like moment um. This feels like cheating, but 253 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: all of them, every scene I love. I love that 254 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: it's a tight I was honestly thrilled to be like, oh, 255 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: it's just an hour and a half. I was terrified 256 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: that it would be a second longer. My favorite moment 257 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: in the Human Centipede parentheses first sequence, by the way, 258 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: and you know we did not watch the other two. 259 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: I did consider it though, but I said, you know what, 260 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: I've felt enough joy for one week. I you need 261 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: things to look forward to, you know, especially especially in 262 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: this pandemic. It's not a binger. I mean, yeah, you 263 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: want to like prolong this as much as you can, exactly. 264 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: My favorite moment in first sequence was when the so, 265 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: you know, the cops are a little too good in 266 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: this movie, right, I don't know what German cops are like, 267 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: but I can assume not great, right, But there is 268 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: a moment where when after the police have arrived, where 269 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: they're like, so you made the Human Centipede, right, and 270 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: he's like, no, no, I did not make the human 271 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: sent feed, but the human centipete cage is out. And 272 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: my favorite moment in the whole cinematic text is when 273 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: the cop is looking at the humans and human sentipet 274 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: cage and going, h what is this? But it's literally 275 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: the human centipete cage and it's just out there for anyone, 276 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: for anyone to stumble across. So, you know, I just 277 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: thought that that was a beautiful moment of I don't 278 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what I would call 279 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: you have to film degrees, what would you know? What 280 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: is that play there? What's going on there? Me? Is 281 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: it irony? Is it? It's a little bit, it's you know, 282 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: I would classify it as a number of things. It's um, 283 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's perhaps foreshadowing. It's um, it's motif, it's 284 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: it's allegory, it's definitely Oh, there's a lot of metaphorically 285 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: on here. Yeah, um, you know, it's plant and payoff, 286 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: it's it's just a lot of it's a lot of 287 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: narrative devices all rolled into one. Because you know, this 288 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 1: is just a really masterfully written screenplay that is just 289 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: like making use of a lot of just like very 290 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: effective narrative devices. I totally agree. I mean, and I 291 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: had a fun like White Stripes moment trying to figure 292 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: out if Tom six and a Lot of six were 293 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 1: married or siblings. Oh, um, they are siblings, unlike the 294 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: White You. I always assumed the White Stripes were siblings, 295 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: but they were dating. This is quite the opposite, I see. 296 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this is this isn't you know, 297 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: an oh to our piece, uh from from the six family, 298 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: which which is kind of fun down to the editing. 299 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: You know, Tom six was one of the credited editors, 300 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: of course, So I mean, when you have this brilliance 301 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: a concept, you have to be really protective of it. 302 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't want to get this wrong. You 303 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: don't want to put this in the hands of some 304 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: ya who who can't edit together the Human Centipede. Yeah, 305 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: I understand that he wanted to do that himself. Yeah, 306 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: a movie is so good that nonfeminine like misogynist icon. 307 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: Roger Ebert refused to give it any rating because it 308 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: was to quote unquote gross, which I think intentionally misses 309 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: the point. Yeah, gosh, Roger Ebert, don't get us started. 310 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: I already know we were not going to refuse to 311 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: give it a rating on our scale and cowards. I 312 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: already know what rating I'm going to give it, which 313 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: is obviously five nipples. Oh yeah, I don't see any 314 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: reason to hold back on what we're going to be 315 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: giving this movie. It's going to be five and well, actually, 316 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: actually the human centipede featured in this film has six nipples. 317 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: Oh that's true. Let's be included. Let's include every nipple. 318 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: So human snapede facts with Caitlin human sonapedes. At least 319 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: this I mean there. I mean again, I haven't seen 320 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: the sequels. I don't know if more centipedes get attached. 321 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: My understanding is, and I honestly didn't fully check, but 322 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: my understanding is that with each passing film, the centipede 323 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: gets the centipede gets longer, several times longer. Yeah, that 324 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: makes sense. So at least for um, what's this one 325 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: called first sequence? The third one? The third one may 326 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: in fact be as like scented like a full hundred. 327 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm not totally sure, but they might have. Really, that's 328 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: where it was added. That's I mean heightening. If you 329 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: want to learn about heightening and storytelling, my gutwait really quick, 330 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: just go to the Wikipedia page for the Human Centipee 331 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: three and look at the poster and it might be 332 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: more than a hundred on god, that is so I 333 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: don't want to know anything else. This is so fucked up. 334 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: That's a lot of people. Uh so, yeah, safe to 335 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: say it gets longer than three. Um, but we did not, 336 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: We did not watch It looks like it just gets 337 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: longer with every movie. And I'm pretty sure based on 338 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: I consulted horror buff and friend of the cast Corey 339 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: Johnson about this because I was like, who, off the 340 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: top of my head, can I be certain has seen 341 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: all three Human Centipee movies and it is her? And 342 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: of course she said, um, she said, what what we 343 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: know already, which is that there is a message to 344 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: the first Human Centipede movie if what you sacrifice, and 345 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: that is a pretty short centipede. And as the centipede 346 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: gets longer, perhaps the powerful message gets smaller. You know, 347 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: it's a given take. So if you want a long centipede, 348 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: it has to be meaningless. If you have a short centipede, 349 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: you can have a powerful, tight react structure. Sure of course. Yeah. 350 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: So all that to say that the centipede featured in 351 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: this first film, this first work of art has six nipples. Therefore, 352 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: that is what I will be giving this movie. I wis, yes, 353 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much. Um so, uh do 354 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: we need to talk about anything else before I recap 355 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: this brilliant narrative? Um? I don't think so. I mean 356 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: I think that you know, we we shouldn't hold back 357 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: any longer and really just like really, you know, release 358 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: like the information. Yeah, I'd love to um feed you 359 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: so to speak the recap Oh yes, please, please please 360 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: and iconic? How did that not end up on an 361 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: a f I list? Feed her, feed her, and if 362 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: you apply that to feed her knowledge, it becomes this 363 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: really powerful thing. It all depends on the direction you're 364 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: coming at it analytically. It's a brilliant film. Yeah, of course. Actually, 365 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break first, you know, go to 366 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: the bathroom or whatever you need to do, and will 367 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: be right back. Okay. The Human Centipede first sequence opens 368 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: on a man. He is looking at some photos of 369 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: three dogs who are seen all kind of standing in 370 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: a single file line. They're in a row. They seem 371 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: to be sniffing each other's butts. We don't, but we 372 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: don't really might it be something more? And then we 373 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: see that same man approach a trucker who has pulled 374 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: off the road to take a poopoo, which is the first, um, 375 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: the first indication that that poopoo might be featured as 376 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: a motif in this film. I really thought that was 377 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: a tasteful introduction of what a prominent motif was going 378 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: to be, because then you go back and you watch 379 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: it later and you're like, oh my god, I mean again, 380 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: foreshadowing at its finest. Incredible stuff. Yeah, really really thoughtful. 381 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: So the man is seen approaching this uh, this truck 382 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: driver with a gun. Oh god, and we're like, oh. 383 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: Then we cut to two women, Lindsay and Jenny. They 384 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: are American tourists in Germany and they are heading to 385 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: a party but they get lost. Their car gets a 386 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: flat tire, they get out and walk through the middle 387 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: of the woods, which, really, it should be said, the 388 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: entire beginning of the movie between Lindsey and Jenny pretty 389 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: thoroughly passes the Bechdel test. They are talking to each 390 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: other about like do I want to go out? Do 391 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: I not want to go out? What do I want 392 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: to do? Oh my gosh, you know where we are No, 393 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't. They're having really impactful conversations, and so I 394 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: feel like, also early on, you learned like, oh, this 395 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: is about women, this is about women, this is a 396 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: woman's story. This is an empowering story about female friendship. Yeah, 397 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: we see them interact a lot, and I honestly, I'm 398 00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: genuinely very invested in their friendship, particularly with and we'll 399 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: get there, but like where their story goes, you know, 400 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: and where their story and I honestly I was not 401 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: prepared for where their story ends and how UM genuinely like, oh, 402 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm sad I was going to feel at the end. 403 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: I value their friendship. They seemed to They seem to 404 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: be like really complimentary late two thousands, I like, I 405 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: like when I think it's Jenny Who's like, I'm wearing 406 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: shorts and high heels. I'm not getting out of the car. 407 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, that is what people were 408 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: saying in two thousand nine, you know it is. So 409 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: they're wandering through the woods. They're wandering through the woods, 410 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: and they eventually come upon a house. They knock on 411 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: the door, and who greets them, who opens the door? 412 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: But the man we saw at the beginning but we 413 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: forgot to mention that when they are stuck there, the 414 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: creepy guy pulls up and he hits on them, he 415 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: scares them. This is like plot relevant, so that by 416 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: the time they go into the woods, they are already 417 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: very anxiety written, they already feel really nervous, and so 418 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: I feel like you're given and I have some notes 419 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: about the way that seems to present it. But um, 420 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: they've already been kind of been made to feel unsafe 421 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: before they find this house, so they're already on like 422 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: ty alert. Yes, and this man opens the door, he 423 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: invites them in there, like, hey, can you call the 424 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: car company for us so that we can, you know, 425 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: hitch a ride out of here, And then he says 426 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: are you alone? Which is never a way to start 427 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: a conversation with the scariest looking person I've ever seen 428 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: in my life. Yes. Also, that actor's name is Dieter Laser, 429 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: which is also a very menacing name. Just everything. And 430 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: then the more I learned about the actor and his 431 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: conduct on set, I'm like, he just sounds like a scary, 432 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: scary guy. Yeah, we'll talk about Mr Lazer. It's probably 433 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: like Laser or or something. Please our German our German 434 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: listeners forgive us, but I just I was like, his 435 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: last name is Laser. He's scary. And then you look 436 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: up the facts about production and then everyone's like, no, 437 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: he was quite scary. Yep, everyone agrees. So he pretends 438 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: to call the car company for them, and then he 439 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: gives them both a glass of water which he has 440 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: drugged so the women lose consciousness. They wake up in 441 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: his basement tied to hospital beds. The trucker from earlier 442 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: is there as well, also tied to a bed, and 443 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: the man who Dr. Hyder, Yeah, Dr Hyder comes in 444 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: and he's like, he says to the truck driver that 445 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: he's not a match. We don't really know exactly what 446 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: he means, what context, but he kills the truck driver 447 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: while Lindsay and Jenny watch on in horror. What did 448 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: he mean when he said you are not a match? 449 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: Was there a reason that he wasn't a match? I 450 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: wasn't sure in text why precisely he wasn't a match? 451 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: What was I don't know if it was like a 452 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: blood type thing, oh, like literally a medical reason that 453 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: a human cent like all the human centipes have to have, 454 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: like viby blood types. I don't. Well, again, um, we 455 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: should know this since we are doctors women in stems. 456 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: If you're a gay human centipide, do the blood types 457 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: need to be vibe are? Like there are certain pre 458 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: existing conditions that disqualify you from participation eating. I wonder 459 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: what it would be. Yeah, I mean I know that 460 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: like if you're getting a an organ transplant, for example, 461 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: you have to like make sure that there's some kind 462 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: of and again I don't know if it's blood type 463 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: match or some other just sort of like compatibility thing. Um, 464 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, my guess was there there was like a 465 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: medical reason that the truck driver could not participate and 466 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: he had to go. It was nothing personal, but you've 467 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,239 Speaker 1: been said to be it's never personal. That's and I 468 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: love that that's a major theme in this movie. Um, 469 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: it's important to remember that sometimes the fate that the 470 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: truck driver suffers is uh far less bad than like 471 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: the fate he would have suffered if he had. Yeah, 472 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: I think we would all agree we would rather just 473 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: just die. So he kind of gets off easy. Yeah, 474 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: he gets let off the hook, but we still but 475 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: we still need I'm sorry, did you say but I'm sorry. 476 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: I was trying to hit the t hard so that 477 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: it would be implied that there were two of them. 478 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: Um but lead one more but to make a human centipede. 479 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: And that's when Dr Hyder comes home with a new man, 480 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: cut Serro, who he has abducted, and then he explains 481 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: to all of them what he plans to do. So 482 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: the thing with him is he is a retired surgeon 483 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: who used to specialize in separating conjoined twins. Right, he 484 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: uses a dismissive and very dated term that we're not 485 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: even going to repeat here, but yes, conjoined twins is 486 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: the is the correct term to use. One of the 487 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: few mistakes um this otherwise perfect movie. Yes. Um So, 488 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: now that he is retired, he has kind of refocused 489 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: his efforts and takes his surgical expertise and pivot applies 490 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: it to He's pivoting, he's having a second he's having honestly, 491 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: like my my dad just retired and he's kind of 492 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: looking for a second act. And so I kind of 493 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: want to show him this movie as a kind of 494 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: aspirational thing of like, oh, you already have applicable skills, 495 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: you just need to find your second act. You know, 496 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: and so you know that the doctor's really decided on 497 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: what his second act is going to be, which is 498 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: that he now is obsessed with surgically joining people together 499 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: but a very particular way, in a very particular way. 500 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: And what he is going to do is attach these 501 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: three people together, mouth to anus in a chain, forming 502 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: the iconic human centipede the feminist psychon. And so with 503 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: the three I feel like with the three person human centipede, 504 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: you really do have um, you know, everyone's role is 505 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: quite different, and you know, the longer the centipede gets, 506 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: the more kind of like central, Like if you're reaching 507 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: human centipee three, which that I don't know what goes 508 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: on in that movie, but there's like five people in 509 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: that chain. That's like four parts of the human centipede. 510 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: They could fucking unionize at that point. But in this point, 511 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: but it's like if you just have three people, there's 512 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: one person who's uniquely suffering as a part of the centipede, 513 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: and then you also have an appointed mouthpiece, right, the 514 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: only person whose mouth is available that is then the 515 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: head of the chew chew, the head of the the 516 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: poo poo train, the poopoo. Yeah, he doesn't and the 517 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: one who eats from the bowl, etcetera. So Dr Hyder 518 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: starts to prep them for surgery, but Lindsay manages to 519 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: escape her restraints, but he finds her again and he 520 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: says he's going to punish her by putting her in 521 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the centipede. I found this sequence to 522 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: be very compelling. We see Lindsay acting with a lot 523 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 1: of um she's taking a lot of initiative, she has 524 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: a lot of agency. She's fighting for her life and 525 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: her friend's life, and she's really like going up against 526 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: the oppressor. I on it, I mean going I had 527 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: a lot of now I find to be ridiculous negative 528 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: assumptions going into this. But right at the top, we 529 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: see you know, like a highly motivated female character being like, 530 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: you know, what some think about this human centipede just 531 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: doesn't sound right to me, and I don't want to participate. 532 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: And she, you know, she she fights, and she also 533 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: fights for her friend. And I genuinely thought that sequence 534 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: was very like exciting is not the right word, but 535 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: I was on the edge of my seat. Sure, thrilling, 536 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: It's thrilling, And like you said, we see a woman 537 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: having agency. We see a woman like just taking the 538 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: information that's been provided to her and thinking critically about 539 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: it and like thinking about what she should do next, 540 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: so you know, she's using her brain. It's all pretty 541 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean in all series, Like everything Lindsay and Jenny 542 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: do in like the first act of the movie more 543 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: or less make sense to me, as like tourists who 544 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: are panicking and we have just been scared by someone 545 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: who was aggressively hitting on them. It seems like like 546 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: wanted to assault them. There's only one house. They're like 547 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: communicating with each other silently as this creepy guy is 548 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: making them drinks. They're like, it's just like it's I 549 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: don't know, like there I was, I was like, oh, 550 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad that a Lana six was in 551 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: the room because I feel like these women, given the 552 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: horrific circumstances they're being thrown into, like it didn't seem 553 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: completely like in the way that most horror and like 554 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: especially like Gore movies, will introduce female characters as like 555 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: completely irrationally trusting of people. They don't really seem that way. 556 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 1: They just are like this is the option, and we're 557 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: still very freaked out, and like let's see what happens. Yeah, 558 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: I would, I mean not to criticize this perfect film, 559 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: but I know I I say this with a lot 560 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: of caution, But um, well, I see what you're saying, 561 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: and I think they're characterized maybe a little bit. I 562 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,479 Speaker 1: don't want to say I don't want to say better. 563 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't Also, I'm just like, when do we drop 564 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: the bit? But a bit sorry, I'm so sorry. Um. 565 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: There were still like choices that they made that I 566 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: was like, oh, these are female characters written by a 567 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: male horror writer, like which I had a point to 568 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: where I got like, oh, this is the line where 569 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: this has like lost I mean, and that is like 570 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: a trope of the genre or whatever, But like, what 571 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: was the choice for you where you're like, I'm no 572 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: longer like feeling connected to this this character's logic, I mean, 573 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: just like them getting out of the car. My thing 574 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: was them leaving the road. I could see them getting 575 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 1: out of the car if the car wasn't going to move, 576 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: but them leaving the main road to me made very 577 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: little sense. I was just like that, wouldn't you just 578 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: follow the road back to the town you came from? Ultimately, 579 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: and then like hope someone passed. Um. The other thing 580 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: is like, it's not a great idea, but you can 581 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: drive slowly with one flat tire for some amount of distance. 582 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: You could turn around, Like you could turn around. That's true. 583 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: I also don't have a driver's license, so I'm just like, 584 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: maybe you can't do that, but like it's not great 585 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: and it's gonna like mess things up a bit in 586 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: the car probably, But like the fact that they get 587 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: out of the car and then yeah, go immediately into 588 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: the woods. Going into the woods, I was just like, on, like, 589 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: it would make sense to me if they like we're like, oh, 590 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: I know something is here, but clearly they don't. They 591 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 1: have no idea where they were, so they get lost immediately. Yeah. 592 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: I can't imagine myself, especially in a country I know 593 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: nothing about and I don't speak the language, and all 594 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: this stuff like wandering into the woods does seem like 595 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: begging to die. Um, so in that way, and then 596 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: even if you can suspend your believe through that, because 597 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: then I like challenged myself, I'm like, Okay, what if 598 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: I what if I could get myself to the doctor's house? Right? 599 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: I Also I find it really I don't know, maybe 600 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: if you're like truly, I was kind of of two 601 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: minds of this. I don't think in one as an 602 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,479 Speaker 1: adult that knows better. I don't think that I would 603 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: have accepted a glass of water from a total stranger 604 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: without watching them pour it. Like I feel like there's 605 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: a world where I could have been, like, I really 606 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: need water, I've been wandering around the fucking woods for 607 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: an hour, but let me see you just pour it 608 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: from the sink, you know, or something like that, because 609 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: he's just roofying literally everyone who walks in the door. Um. 610 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: But but I also could see and I don't know 611 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: how hard our King Tom six is thinking about this. 612 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: I also feel like when I was younger, which I 613 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 1: think that I don't know how out old these characters 614 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,919 Speaker 1: are supposed to be, like anywhere between nineteen and thirty five, 615 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm assuming college right early twenties. 616 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: When I was younger, I can see myself wanting to 617 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: watch someone prepare my drink and maybe being a little 618 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: too anxious to ask. And so, but I also am like, 619 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 1: how hard is Tom six thinking about this? Probably probably 620 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: no disrespect to our our king, but very possibly zero percent. 621 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: But I've had I don't know, have you ever had 622 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: a moment like that where someone offers you a drink 623 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: and I immediately always when like a stranger at all, 624 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: but particularly a stranger who is a man, forers me 625 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 1: a drink. I if I want to accept, I need 626 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,919 Speaker 1: to know that I am watching it be prepared, just 627 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 1: because of the experience of knowing better. But I also 628 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: was an age at one point where I would have 629 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: been too nervous to advocate for myself up in that 630 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: way for sure. I mean, yeah, I definitely didn't always 631 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: insist on watching or it just insist on today I 632 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: would like, I would just be like, I'll make it myself. Thanks. 633 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: I would even go so far as to be like, 634 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: let's make them together. I'll come to the kitchen with you, 635 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,959 Speaker 1: like so that there's nothing funky going on. And but 636 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, as as a as a teenager, I can't 637 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know that I would have 638 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: had the because I truly, at this point in my 639 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,760 Speaker 1: life don't give a funk. I just want to um live. 640 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: H But what I would probably do if I was 641 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: even in like my earlier more naive days or like 642 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: days of just like not being able to advocate for 643 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: myself or like speak up or like you know, just 644 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: be like fuck you, I'm making my own drink or 645 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: whatever I would say. Now I would I would accept 646 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: a drink, but just not touch it. I just would 647 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: not drink it. Yeah, I've done that too. I the 648 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: the part of that scene that I genuinely felt like, oh, 649 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: that is definitely kind of a thing that I recognized, 650 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: like in myself and when I was younger, and like 651 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: in college of like when the guy is being really 652 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: weird and then he leaves the room and then immediately 653 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: you turn to your friend and you're like what is 654 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: going on? Like that, I was like, oh, I've done 655 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 1: that five hundred times. And then the second he walks 656 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: back in, you're like like nothing to see here. I 657 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: feel this is so normal for me. Um well. I 658 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: also don't think I would have gone in the house 659 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: like and I understand it. It's like it's raining, you know, 660 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: they probably want to get out of the rain. That's 661 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: the thing is like I the fact that they added 662 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: the rain and the night. I think I would have 663 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: like knocked on the door and asked to use the phone, 664 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: but then like stayed outside on the stoop and like 665 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: not actually gone inside the house. And I also wondered. 666 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: I was like, is there some sort of and again 667 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. We can't and we 668 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: can't put ourselves in the mind of a genius artist Tom. 669 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: We can't really know the mind from which the idea 670 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: for a Big Brother came is like Tom six thought 671 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: of Big Brother. So he's just he's just did you 672 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: know that? I did not? Oh my god. So that 673 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: is where Tom six Is money comes from. He was 674 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: an original director on the Dutch reality TV series Big Brother, 675 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: which apparently was the first incarnation of Big Brother that 676 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: obviously became an international phenomenon. So he was like into 677 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: some like some stuff, you know, and some like low 678 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: key torture, um pre human sense. I'm not seeing that 679 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: on his IMDb. Oh, it's in the first sentence. He 680 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: was six was an original director on his it's on 681 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: his uh Wikipedia's Wikipedia six was an original director of 682 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: Dutch reality TV series Big Brother, which has since become 683 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: an international franchise. So that's how he um established himself 684 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: and got you know, some credibility was by the survey 685 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,919 Speaker 1: the abuse of surveillance TV show of of a generation. 686 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: Uh So there you go. I guess this is all 687 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: to say that, yeah, some choices were made to have 688 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: the women in the movie behave in a way that 689 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: I think was pretty indicative that those characters were written 690 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: by someone who UM does not really understand what it 691 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: is to be a woman who has to move about 692 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: the world and the danger we are often in and 693 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: the amount of on guard we always have to be 694 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: because a lot of men put us in danger and 695 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: make us feel unsafe. But I would say I would 696 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: say that, like, given I mean, and in this genre, 697 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,919 Speaker 1: there's so many brilliant women who work in the horror 698 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: genre that UM would have executed this more realistically. But 699 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: in terms of like horror movies that I'm familiar with, 700 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: which are mostly like American horror movies that are probably 701 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: not great and we're released to wide audiences, Lindsay and 702 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: Jenny navigate the situation more realistically than a lot of 703 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: whole horror movies I've seen, where they're never just like 704 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: wandering into a room just to be like what's in here, 705 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: which I feel like is what we get a lot. 706 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: So it's a little more grounded UM. And also it's 707 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a it's a and I 708 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,399 Speaker 1: mean no disrespect, it's a B horror movie. So it's 709 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: like certain things just need to happen. But yeah, I'm 710 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: a but but yeah, So the bar we're comparing this 711 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 1: up against is so unbelievably low. Why would you say that? 712 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 1: Calen the bit? I mean bit, Well, I'm what I'm 713 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: saying that this movie rises far above the bar. Like 714 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 1: women are acting not completely the way a real woman would, 715 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: but they're not acting so unlike you would in that 716 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: situation that you're like, I have no I feel nothing 717 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: about this, you know, where it's like there were little 718 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: moments whereas like oh I got that, Oh I got that. 719 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: Oh I would never do that, but maybe, like maybe 720 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: someone I know might in some situation do that, you know, 721 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: Like it didn't feel so off the wall that it 722 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 1: was like completely in any case there they end up 723 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: participating in a human centipede. Yeah, voluntarily, they don't. Well 724 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: that's the other thing. I'm like, Okay, in in the 725 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: worst case scenario of the script, what if they're like, 726 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,720 Speaker 1: pitch this to me and he's like okay, so here's 727 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: my idea. They're like okay, um, I guess like they 728 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: do not they do not consent to be a part 729 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,839 Speaker 1: of the human centipede. That would not be realistic, No 730 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:03,320 Speaker 1: one concerns. So so we we've got some realism represented 731 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: on screen here. It is it's realism. Um okay. So 732 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: let's see where were we in the recap? So dr 733 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: hyder okay. So he explains his plan, Lindsay tries to escape. 734 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to punish you by putting you 735 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,640 Speaker 1: in the middle. They have a bit of us scuffle. 736 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: She ends up in his swimming pool. I think he 737 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: thinks that she has drowned, so he walks away. He 738 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: clearly does not know what his own swimming pool is like, 739 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 1: because she literally just like pushes up that Because I 740 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 1: was kind of wondering that when he's like, I'm going 741 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: to trap you, I'm like, I'm pretty sure those kind 742 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: of things you just kind of push up a little bit, 743 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 1: and then you have breathing room, which is she's fine. Yes. 744 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 1: So he goes away and Lindsey takes this opportunity to 745 00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: go back down and try to save Jenny. So she's 746 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: dragging Jenny, who I think is unconscious, up the stairs, 747 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: out of the basement, out of the house. But oh. 748 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: Dr Hyder finds them and shoots Lindsay with a tranquilizer. 749 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 1: There's a lot of moments in Human Centipede. Truly, Yes, 750 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean this again. This movie accomplishes many things. Feminism, 751 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,240 Speaker 1: oh moments. Um it is. It's a very it's an 752 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: effective horror movie. It makes you feel horrified. Yes, yeah, 753 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: yes so um so. Then he performs the surgery, making 754 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: them into a human centipede with Cutsuro in the front, 755 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: Lindsay in the middle, and Jenny in the back. Lindsay 756 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: in the middle as punishment for trying to escape, right, 757 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,800 Speaker 1: and Dr Hyder loves his creation. It's his little pet. 758 00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: He makes them walk around the yard. He take picks, 759 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,319 Speaker 1: he takes pictures the kennel. There's a kennel. He makes 760 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,719 Speaker 1: Cut Sorrow eat out of a dog food dish. It's 761 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: all very fucked up. It's extremely fucked up. And then 762 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: eventually Cuts Sorrow goes poo poo into Lindsay's mouth, which 763 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 1: then you have to imagine the trickle down effect does go. 764 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: It's like economics. It's like that economics thing that never works, 765 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: but in the driggle down system may not work in 766 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: the American economy, but in the human centipede it is 767 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: extremely effective. Um, and so it does it does all. Well, 768 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,839 Speaker 1: that's a question I had because again this movie, if 769 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,360 Speaker 1: if if a woman poo poos into the mouth of 770 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: another woman, it passes the Picktel tests, especially if they're 771 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: holding hands because they're freshly exactly. But I don't know 772 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 1: if that ever ends up happening in this movie, because 773 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: at one point Dr Hyder is doing a check up 774 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: on all of them and he's like, cut Sero, you're 775 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 1: you look great, You're you're healthy. Is a human centipede 776 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: To Lindsay, he says, you're constipated. She doesn't want to 777 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 1: poop in her friend's mouth. She doesn't. Yeah, she's like 778 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: holding it in like this. I don't know this woman, 779 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: so I guess she'll understand. I don't know. I mean like, 780 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to run it cuts from cut Sero's perspective. 781 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not going to run into her. I 782 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,479 Speaker 1: don't know her. Whereas Lindsay and Jenny, if Lindsay poop 783 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: who is into Jenny's mouth, they have to drive home together, 784 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: Whereas cut Sero is like, I can just go, you know, 785 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: you have no idea where where I'm going. So it's 786 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,239 Speaker 1: not a big deal. It is kind of like a 787 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: one night stand thing versus a long term relationship. Sure, exactly. Yeah. 788 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: Also worth mentioning that cut Serro does not speak English, um, 789 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: he speaks Japanese, so he is unable to communicate with 790 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 1: both the Doctor Hyder or the two women. And also 791 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 1: like it's another way in which Dr Hyder kind of 792 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: has the upper hand because it seems like when he 793 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,759 Speaker 1: does not want the women to know what's going on, 794 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: he speaks in German, and when he does want the 795 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,240 Speaker 1: women to know what's going on, he speaks in English 796 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 1: in a way that they can understand him. But Catsro 797 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:24,280 Speaker 1: is kind of like uniquely isolated in this way. Yeah, yeah, 798 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: and so yeah, the check up happens, and then Jenny 799 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,799 Speaker 1: seems to be very ill. She she's not taking well 800 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: to the human so ton apede. Well, she's starving operation 801 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: no one's giving her poop poo, She's starving. She her 802 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: her mouth's incisions are infected. Uh, and it seems like 803 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: she's dying. Then two detectives show up to Dr Hyder's 804 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 1: house and asks if he knows anything about some people 805 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,239 Speaker 1: who have gone missing. Then my favorite moment in the 806 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: movie where they see the humans Hanne Kennel and the 807 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: detective I think we're supposedly that is the smarter detective 808 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: in that he is not the detective who immediately becomes roofied. 809 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,879 Speaker 1: He is like, so what is this for? It's so 810 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 1: funny to me when he looks at the humans that 811 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: to be the cage and it's like, are you sure 812 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: you don't know anything about these people who have gone? Meanwhile, 813 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: Dr Hyder is acting, he's acting out, he really is yelling. 814 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: He's really banking on them being roofied soon based on 815 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:35,279 Speaker 1: his behavior, right. Um. Dr Hyder then goes back down 816 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: to the basement and he's like, okay, new plan. Jenny's 817 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 1: about to die, so she'll get removed from the human centipede, 818 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,480 Speaker 1: but I'm going to add two more people, these detectives 819 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: who are upstairs. But before that happens, the detectives leave 820 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,880 Speaker 1: because they need to go. They said this is another 821 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: thing that I was like, Oh, this is genuinely like 822 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: sort of a funny trace where they're like, we really 823 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: want to inspect the house and he's like, well, you're 824 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to get a search warrant and they're like, Okay, 825 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,720 Speaker 1: we'll be back in twenty minutes. And in the twenty 826 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 1: minutes things really go off the rails inside the Human 827 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:17,239 Speaker 1: Centipete house truly, because Cut zero, Lindsay and Jenny use 828 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: this as a distraction to attack the doctor and kind 829 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,839 Speaker 1: of incapacitate him. Cut Soro really like he I think 830 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: gives him like too brutal, like debilitating wounds. Yes. And 831 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,760 Speaker 1: then so they're using this opportunity to try to escape, 832 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,400 Speaker 1: but the doctors like right, he's you know, dragging himself 833 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,840 Speaker 1: right behind them, and it seems like they're trapped and 834 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 1: they have no way out. So cut zero kills himself, 835 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: not before making uh Shakespearean monologue where we'll talk about this, 836 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,320 Speaker 1: but like cutzero, we know we I mean, it's another 837 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,920 Speaker 1: I feel like we've done a lot of these movies 838 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,360 Speaker 1: recently where you know nothing really about any of the 839 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,919 Speaker 1: character is in terms of other than like who knows 840 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,919 Speaker 1: each other and who doesn't. I think you, I would 841 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,879 Speaker 1: argue you most you know most about the doctor at 842 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,480 Speaker 1: this point, because you really don't know anything about the 843 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,919 Speaker 1: girls other than their American and friends, and you know 844 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,480 Speaker 1: nothing about kut Serro other than he has been plucked, 845 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: you know, out of his car. And then he like 846 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: gives this this like soliloquy at the end where he's like, 847 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: I've lived a sinful life. I have lived selfishly. I 848 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,680 Speaker 1: abandoned my child. And you're like, cat Sero, what is 849 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,600 Speaker 1: going on? And then and then he's dead, and it's 850 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: just like you learn everything you're ever going to learn 851 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 1: about this character at the like three seconds before he does, 852 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 1: and it's like, right, what that was, we'll talk about it. 853 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 1: But I was like, oh my god, cat Sero, and 854 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,359 Speaker 1: no one can understand what he is doing. I mean 855 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: we can as an audience because we are given the subtitles. 856 00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: We're given the subtitles, but it's like the centipee nor 857 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: the doctor can understand this like very tragic thing he's 858 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 1: just told us. It made me sad. Yeah, everyone in 859 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:16,600 Speaker 1: the human centipede deserved better, I'll say it. I'd even 860 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: go so far as to say they didn't deserve to 861 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,919 Speaker 1: be made into a human centipede. But that's just me, 862 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: I just me, I agree. And something that made me 863 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 1: really particularly sad about Catzera's speeches that he didn't seem 864 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 1: to feel that way he seemed to feel like, well, 865 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 1: because of all this ship that I've done in my 866 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,680 Speaker 1: life that is bad, and I have like done these 867 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: things that were that I feel a lot of guilt about. 868 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: I guess this is my come uppance. I guess I 869 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,839 Speaker 1: just had. And he's like, I'm but and I love genuinely. 870 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,160 Speaker 1: I was moved when he said, but I am still 871 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,880 Speaker 1: a human being, and you're like, yeah, there's nothing you 872 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 1: can do that would be so bad, so us to 873 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,360 Speaker 1: deserve being a human centipede? Really, I mean, certainly not 874 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 1: what he's describing. He's it sounds like he's certainly made 875 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:12,959 Speaker 1: big mistakes in his life regrets, but not a human centipede, greed, sin. 876 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 1: It's just it was I was moved by that speech. 877 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, same heavy indeed. Um. So the movie 878 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 1: is almost over. The detectives come back and they discover 879 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: the human centipede. They are there, they don't know what 880 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,160 Speaker 1: they this is out of their pay grade. Then there's 881 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 1: like a scuffle between them and Dr Hyder where they 882 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: both the detectives and Dr Hyder are shot and killed 883 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: or killed in some way, and then Jenny dies. So 884 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,120 Speaker 1: Lindsay is in the middle still alive, but with two 885 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: dead people on either side of her, and she's like 886 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,880 Speaker 1: sobbing and there's no one to help, and she's her 887 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: life has been. She's in a human centipede. And that 888 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,680 Speaker 1: is how all the movie ends. I mean, it's it's 889 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 1: safe to say that she's fucked. You know, she's more 890 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,040 Speaker 1: or less fucked, is is what you could really say 891 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,360 Speaker 1: about her situation. Let I was shocked that that's where 892 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: it ends. I guess, let's take a break. Let's take 893 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:36,640 Speaker 1: a break. We'll come right back and we're back. Yes, 894 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 1: all right, well, um we I mean during the recap 895 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 1: we talked a fair amount about the relationship between the 896 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,760 Speaker 1: two female characters in this movie. You know, I don't 897 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,680 Speaker 1: think it's a perfectly written relationship. I think that it 898 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,439 Speaker 1: is in terms of, like, if we're going this genre specifically, 899 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:04,440 Speaker 1: it's not the word. And I felt like, I don't know, 900 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,520 Speaker 1: most of my feelings about this movie get into like 901 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,400 Speaker 1: the themes surrounding the doctor. Yeah, so I don't know. 902 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 1: I guess, let's do you have any other kind of 903 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 1: observations about how the women in this movie are treated 904 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 1: outside of becoming a human centipede? Of course? Right? Um? 905 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,040 Speaker 1: As far as like character development goes, Yeah, I just 906 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 1: don't think a lot of time is spent characterizing them. 907 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: In fact, I don't even know if I could. I 908 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,160 Speaker 1: could not tell the difference between the two women for 909 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 1: a long time. I knew curly hair, straight hair, That's 910 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,800 Speaker 1: what I knew. And I also I it felt like 911 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 1: kind of early you found out like, oh, Linda is 912 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,800 Speaker 1: our final girl, because she is the one making an 913 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,200 Speaker 1: active effort to escape, which I genuinely do appreciate in 914 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: this genre because sometimes it's just like nope, like everyone 915 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,920 Speaker 1: here just doesn't have like any sort of judgment skills, 916 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: and they'll do anything, and they're not going to try 917 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: to escape, and they're going to be very passive, and 918 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Lindsay is kind of immediately established as the person who 919 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,520 Speaker 1: will be active. I feel like it would have been 920 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: maybe cooler to see them both participating in this effort. 921 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,480 Speaker 1: But Jenny is like unconscious for most of the time, 922 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,680 Speaker 1: like most of Act two and three, it seems like 923 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 1: she was like drugged maybe harder, Like it seems like 924 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,000 Speaker 1: like the drugs like affected her maybe more than it 925 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 1: did Lindsay. That's what it seemed like, because she's like 926 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,040 Speaker 1: knocked out a lot. I don't know, I appreciated their friendship. 927 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,920 Speaker 1: I was like, like at the end when Jenny died, 928 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,400 Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't see it coming, but 929 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,800 Speaker 1: when Jenny died, and because there is kind of this 930 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,800 Speaker 1: like repeated shot of like when things are the most 931 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 1: fucked up with the Human Centipede, Jenny and Lindsay will 932 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,680 Speaker 1: hold each other's hands as if to say, Wow, this 933 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,600 Speaker 1: is really fucked up, that's what. But it was like, 934 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 1: I really thought that that was like a nice touch 935 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,680 Speaker 1: to connect these characters because they're the only characters in 936 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,320 Speaker 1: these scenes that know each other and have any history together, 937 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,720 Speaker 1: and like having god having a female friendship at the 938 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,880 Speaker 1: center of the Human Centipede. I just I thought it 939 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,400 Speaker 1: was nice that they that you kind of got that 940 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,439 Speaker 1: repeated connection between them just to even remind the audience like, oh, yeah, 941 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: these women like really know and love each other and 942 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 1: what's happening to them. And so so by the time 943 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,960 Speaker 1: that Jenny died at the end, I genuinely did feel 944 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,360 Speaker 1: like really like I don't know, given what, and we'll 945 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 1: talk about kind of the behind the scenes stuff, but 946 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 1: I thought that the actors in this movie given truly 947 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,520 Speaker 1: impossible material did pretty well of like communicating their arc. 948 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:59,200 Speaker 1: And I think that like Jenny and Lindsay had like 949 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,520 Speaker 1: clearly commu indicated what their arc was as friends and 950 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 1: human centipies. I think that cut Serro like given truly 951 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,480 Speaker 1: nothing until the end, Like you just, I thought that 952 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: the actors in this movie did that really made a 953 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,920 Speaker 1: meal of of the poop poo, because because I was 954 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: genuinely like like that that whole scene at the end 955 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,800 Speaker 1: where cutzero is like gives his like parting monologue and 956 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 1: you're like what and then he and then and then 957 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:33,200 Speaker 1: immediately after Jenny dies and the doctor, which we'll talk 958 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,080 Speaker 1: about him, but he's like the scariest villain of all time, 959 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,640 Speaker 1: and like you did feel like I don't know, I 960 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,160 Speaker 1: guess that my only my not my only note. But 961 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,400 Speaker 1: like Lindsay and Jenny sort of seemed to be on 962 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,640 Speaker 1: like they weren't on really separate arcs. They were kind 963 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 1: of a unique character like you were describing, And I 964 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,520 Speaker 1: kind of wish that you got more from the two 965 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: because there was space for that. Yeah, I think their 966 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,560 Speaker 1: characters could have been like differentiated a bit more. I 967 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:06,720 Speaker 1: couldn't really get a sense of a distinct personality from 968 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 1: either of them, or they just sort of seemed to 969 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,480 Speaker 1: be kind of like two characters with the same personality, 970 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 1: which was barely developed in the first place. It seemed 971 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,880 Speaker 1: to kind of come down to like and and in 972 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,680 Speaker 1: a way that I could really distinguish particularly but like 973 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Lindsay is the strong one for some reason, and Jenny 974 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 1: is the weak one for some reason. But if you 975 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,440 Speaker 1: were asked to decide who was who in the establishing scene, 976 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: it would be basically impossible. You're like, they're kind of 977 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 1: acting exactly the same. Why would one behave one way 978 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,520 Speaker 1: or over the other. So yeah, I think they do 979 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:44,280 Speaker 1: kind of form this unique character. They also are the 980 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,560 Speaker 1: ones the only ones that have to eat poop um, 981 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 1: so there is that the way only women eat poop 982 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,560 Speaker 1: and human centipede one. And I mean, I mean, just 983 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,440 Speaker 1: thinking about the behind the scenes production, like these actors 984 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,240 Speaker 1: on this set, it also means that this this writer 985 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:07,160 Speaker 1: wrote a movie where two women actors have to have 986 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,600 Speaker 1: their faces in someone's ass and their topless. Also the 987 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,959 Speaker 1: entire movie. Yes, uh huh, So let's talk a little 988 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,919 Speaker 1: bit because we I know we both read this. There 989 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,520 Speaker 1: was I I feel like every like camp or like 990 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,000 Speaker 1: niche movie we covered, there is some sort of extremely 991 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,640 Speaker 1: useful oral history that's been done. And I love this trend. 992 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,600 Speaker 1: I hope it keeps up. This one is from Vulture 993 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,840 Speaker 1: was put together by Kenny hurt zog Um. We're going 994 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,880 Speaker 1: to be pulling from the first one because I was like, 995 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,480 Speaker 1: I just cannot interact with other movies in this series. 996 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 1: But but there is a lot like with a movie 997 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,479 Speaker 1: like this, particularly where you're like, this is the most 998 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,400 Speaker 1: fucked up thing you could Like, this is truly Tom 999 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 1: six saying what's the most fucked up thing I could 1000 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,840 Speaker 1: think of? And then I'll make a movie of it. 1001 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,720 Speaker 1: And I feel like when you are doing that, it 1002 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,840 Speaker 1: is is like a responsibility of the creator to be 1003 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,960 Speaker 1: very careful and be very deliberate with how you're treating 1004 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 1: your cast and your crew who you are, you know, 1005 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,480 Speaker 1: like paying to execute your vision. But you have to 1006 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,560 Speaker 1: treat people honestly and in good faith. And so I 1007 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,560 Speaker 1: went into this thing being like, I hope that Tom 1008 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,400 Speaker 1: six was very upfront about like this is what this is. 1009 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,360 Speaker 1: If it's really foxed up and you don't want to 1010 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,640 Speaker 1: do it, that's totally fine, don't do it. But this 1011 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,040 Speaker 1: is what it is. It does not sound like that 1012 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,800 Speaker 1: is the way that it went. But first I wanted 1013 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,400 Speaker 1: to just mention as just kind of a way of discussing, 1014 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Like I do think that there is a point to 1015 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 1: the first human centipede. It sounds like there's not to 1016 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,680 Speaker 1: the other ones. But like the way that Tom six 1017 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:53,440 Speaker 1: described his conceiving of the worst thing everyone now knows 1018 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: for some reason, like from one man's mind, everyone's nightmare 1019 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,040 Speaker 1: forever was that it sounds like it came from two places. 1020 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,480 Speaker 1: And I have a longer but like, let's talk about 1021 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,760 Speaker 1: the protection. But he started, he started by saying, like, 1022 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: you know, what is the worst I mean, it seems 1023 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,520 Speaker 1: like he was what's the worst crime I could think of? 1024 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,560 Speaker 1: And how would I punish it? And so what he 1025 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,000 Speaker 1: thought of was child sex abuse and what is the 1026 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,200 Speaker 1: worst way to punish a child sex abuser? Something akin 1027 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,040 Speaker 1: to a human centipede? And so that is kind of 1028 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,640 Speaker 1: where this idea comes from. And then it seems like, 1029 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,560 Speaker 1: and I have other stuff here too, but like it 1030 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,600 Speaker 1: seems like where he goes is building out this like 1031 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,720 Speaker 1: Nazi doctor character and kind of taking it in this 1032 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:45,080 Speaker 1: different historical direction to create this uniquely cruel punishment. But 1033 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,800 Speaker 1: the difference with the human centipede is that the people 1034 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,920 Speaker 1: who are forced to be a human centipede are not 1035 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:55,880 Speaker 1: child sex abusers. They're just people who this doctor perceives 1036 01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:02,560 Speaker 1: to be vulnerable. So and on top of that, I 1037 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:08,680 Speaker 1: read the writer, director Tom six, saw some television program 1038 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: about like a child sex abuser and was like, Oh, 1039 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,400 Speaker 1: what's the worst possible punishment for them? I know, stitching 1040 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:21,120 Speaker 1: his mouth to the anus of a quote fat truck driver. 1041 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,240 Speaker 1: So it's already like extremely insensitive things to do. And 1042 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 1: I didn't even want to repeat that because I'm like, fine, well, 1043 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to give that air. Like I understand 1044 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,080 Speaker 1: the idea he's communicating, but I found it interesting that 1045 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:40,600 Speaker 1: he took that idea but then applied it to innocent people, 1046 01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,479 Speaker 1: Like it sounds like it was conceived as like, what's 1047 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,200 Speaker 1: the worst punishment for the worst crime you can think of? 1048 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,160 Speaker 1: And then was like, but then the way his script 1049 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,320 Speaker 1: works out, it's three not just innocent people, but three 1050 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 1: marginalized and uniquely vulnerable people in this situation. Um, and 1051 01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: he's like putting language barriers in front of people, and 1052 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, through doctor, what's his name doctor scary. You know, 1053 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:13,959 Speaker 1: like he is like this wealthy white guy who intentionally 1054 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:19,799 Speaker 1: victimizes two women and a Japanese man who he holds 1055 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,400 Speaker 1: a lot of power over, whether it's a control, and 1056 01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,360 Speaker 1: how he speaks to them and how he treats them physically, 1057 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,479 Speaker 1: and it just seems like he's intentionally choosing people that 1058 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,639 Speaker 1: he perceives to be as weaker than him. And even 1059 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 1: if you you know, apply that lotgic to the trucker 1060 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,559 Speaker 1: from the beginning, who's another white guy, but a white 1061 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,759 Speaker 1: guy who who doesn't have money, and uh it comes 1062 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,240 Speaker 1: from a lower class, and it's like he, you know, 1063 01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,439 Speaker 1: the doctor is very intentionally choosing people that he used 1064 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,000 Speaker 1: to be whatever I mean, like weaker than him or 1065 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,559 Speaker 1: I felt like that was like an intentional choice writing wise, Yeah, 1066 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,719 Speaker 1: and then, like you mentioned, the rector was trying to 1067 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,840 Speaker 1: draw a parallel between like the events of this movie 1068 01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: and then like medical experiments that were being carried out 1069 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:16,000 Speaker 1: by Nazi doctors in Nazi Germany, and like that's where 1070 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,080 Speaker 1: part of the inspiration of this movie came from. Where 1071 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:22,360 Speaker 1: he's like drawing this parallel and I guess like attempting 1072 01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:30,439 Speaker 1: to comment on like Nazism and fascism. Yeah, I mean 1073 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,720 Speaker 1: I can speak to that a little bit. That's as 1074 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,439 Speaker 1: close as I could get to feeling like this movie 1075 01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,720 Speaker 1: was trying to say something. You know, it's like, does 1076 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,880 Speaker 1: it make the point very effectively? Almost definitely not. But 1077 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,800 Speaker 1: but in terms of like creating, so it's like his 1078 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,720 Speaker 1: two intentions are definitely in conflict because his first thing 1079 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,280 Speaker 1: was what we just talked about, where it was like, 1080 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, if there were no rules, how would you 1081 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,960 Speaker 1: punish the most vile crime you can think of? And 1082 01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,479 Speaker 1: he doesn't do that in this Instead he goes this 1083 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,280 Speaker 1: other direction of like creating this I mean, I think 1084 01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:12,040 Speaker 1: very clearly coded Nazi doctor. He's they're literally in Germany 1085 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:17,440 Speaker 1: and you're brought into this man's house, and like it's 1086 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,680 Speaker 1: not a sensitive portrayal of anything, but there is I 1087 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:25,200 Speaker 1: mean in terms of like reflecting any sort of realism. 1088 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,679 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't even want to go too deep 1089 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,680 Speaker 1: into it, but there there, of course is a very 1090 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:36,720 Speaker 1: traceable and underreported and not taught in mainstream education history 1091 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:42,840 Speaker 1: of medical experimentation on marginalized people's and so this particular 1092 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,639 Speaker 1: doctor is commenting it seems to be like on Nazi doctors, 1093 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,080 Speaker 1: and there were a ton of Jewish people who were 1094 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:54,320 Speaker 1: medically experimented on without their consent, against their will. Some 1095 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,480 Speaker 1: were murdered as a result. And this is an extremely 1096 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,439 Speaker 1: I mean at this point, well document did, but not 1097 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,240 Speaker 1: commonly discussed thing. And there's a great book about it 1098 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,200 Speaker 1: that we can link in the description called the Nazi 1099 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,240 Speaker 1: Doctor's Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide. That there's 1100 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 1: many you know, there's many commonly held medical practices today 1101 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:20,520 Speaker 1: that were achieved because of these really brutal and murderous 1102 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,360 Speaker 1: doctors from from the twentieth century. And it also applies 1103 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,280 Speaker 1: to um black Americans very often. There's this there's the 1104 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 1: Tuskegee um syphilis experiment that we can also link to. 1105 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: It's I mean, really and and then there's of course 1106 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,200 Speaker 1: the issue of I think that it's intentional that women 1107 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:46,520 Speaker 1: are here um in in this uh in this human centipede. 1108 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,880 Speaker 1: Uh not just because they're this is so common to 1109 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,480 Speaker 1: the genre of victimizing women, but also because medical experimentation 1110 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,719 Speaker 1: also targe like very often targets women without their consent. 1111 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,160 Speaker 1: And I think that it's this is like the furthest 1112 01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,240 Speaker 1: thing from the human centipede, but I was reminded of 1113 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,479 Speaker 1: the story of Henrietta Lacks. There was like a movie 1114 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,639 Speaker 1: about it a couple of years ago that obrah wasn't 1115 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:16,200 Speaker 1: But m Henrietta Lacks was a um someone who eventually 1116 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:20,040 Speaker 1: died of cancer, whose cancer cells were studied without her 1117 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:25,000 Speaker 1: consent to create uh you know, just strides forward in 1118 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,720 Speaker 1: the field that have saved millions of life since. But 1119 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 1: this was a black woman who's you know, a part 1120 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: of her body was taken from her without her consent, 1121 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 1: and her family was never compensated. She was never asked, 1122 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,080 Speaker 1: And this is like a serious issue in the medical community, 1123 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,479 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, we're we're not the best 1124 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,400 Speaker 1: qualified people to talk about it, but it is like 1125 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,120 Speaker 1: a very real thing that's going on. Does the human 1126 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:57,320 Speaker 1: said depeede? No, No, But I I did find it 1127 01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,800 Speaker 1: at least I guess that. I I'm like working with 1128 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,840 Speaker 1: a with a yardstick of like more than I expected. 1129 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,960 Speaker 1: UM like that it even attempts to kind of touch 1130 01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,920 Speaker 1: on something like this, because I honestly went into this 1131 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,040 Speaker 1: movie thinking like they just want to do the grossest 1132 01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,559 Speaker 1: thing they can think of and make me watch it, 1133 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,240 Speaker 1: which is what they do as well. But but there 1134 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 1: was also like at least some level of cognizance in 1135 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,280 Speaker 1: terms of how the characters were curated. I'm not saying 1136 01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,920 Speaker 1: it's good. I'm just saying it's more intentional than I 1137 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:37,479 Speaker 1: thought it would be. Yes, I can't argue with that, 1138 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,960 Speaker 1: but it's again it's a matter of like intention versus 1139 01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:47,600 Speaker 1: what actually ends up happening on screen. Like, well, I 1140 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,880 Speaker 1: feel like it's I do think that, Like I don't 1141 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,960 Speaker 1: know that the human centipedes trying to say anything. It's 1142 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,800 Speaker 1: like it's referencing more than I thought it was. Sure, sure, sure, 1143 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,400 Speaker 1: because ultimately I don't know that Tom six is like 1144 01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:05,360 Speaker 1: there is some grand takeaway you should be unless he's 1145 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,920 Speaker 1: really just like off in this other zone. I don't 1146 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,320 Speaker 1: even recognize, Like I don't know that he's being like 1147 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,880 Speaker 1: and you're going to take away this huge it's really 1148 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,000 Speaker 1: going to make you think. But he's just like referencing 1149 01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,599 Speaker 1: more things than I I thought he was just gonna 1150 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,160 Speaker 1: be like mouths a butt, it's going to be ninety minutes, 1151 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna watch it or you're not going to, which 1152 01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:27,880 Speaker 1: is true to an extent, But like he's he is 1153 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:32,639 Speaker 1: referencing some stuff that I was like, I mean, it's 1154 01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,640 Speaker 1: not saying anything, but it is referencing things where I 1155 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,840 Speaker 1: don't know what the intention is here. I mean honestly, like, 1156 01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't it's it's it's interest. Interesting is a very 1157 01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,040 Speaker 1: generous way to describe it. But like in this oral history, 1158 01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,000 Speaker 1: I feel like it seems like Tom Sticks was being 1159 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,160 Speaker 1: asked what his intention is over and over and over 1160 01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,719 Speaker 1: and he is not really able to answer the question. 1161 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,639 Speaker 1: He's able to like list things he was thinking about, 1162 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,320 Speaker 1: and he's able to things that he's referencing, but he's 1163 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,160 Speaker 1: not really able to tell you, like this is the point. 1164 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:09,240 Speaker 1: I think the point is it's fucking gross. Like yeah, ultimately, 1165 01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,760 Speaker 1: I think that is the point. I don't know. Yes, um, 1166 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about like the 1167 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,920 Speaker 1: production of it. Yes, Yeah, let's go, let's go through 1168 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,360 Speaker 1: that a little more because this, um, there's a lot 1169 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:27,280 Speaker 1: to to chew on with this oral history. Yeah, so 1170 01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,519 Speaker 1: because it seems like it was presented very disingenuously to 1171 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,439 Speaker 1: the actors and the production in general. Yeah, I did 1172 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,559 Speaker 1: read I think this is mentioned in the oral history 1173 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,240 Speaker 1: that um, because I'm pulling information from both of that 1174 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,720 Speaker 1: and UM our favorite scholarly journal Wikipedia. UM. But like 1175 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,479 Speaker 1: a lot of actors who came in to read for 1176 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:55,160 Speaker 1: the roles of like Lindsay or Jenny or cuts, We're like, 1177 01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,160 Speaker 1: this is what this movie is. Fuck no, and then 1178 01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,439 Speaker 1: they like stormed out of the audition kind of things. 1179 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,559 Speaker 1: So there was some transparency, But like, I do think 1180 01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,000 Speaker 1: that it seems like it is like kind of bizarre 1181 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,439 Speaker 1: to me that you could get all the way into 1182 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,000 Speaker 1: the like that's I guess something that It's like, I 1183 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,200 Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever Maybe this isn't totally true, 1184 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,040 Speaker 1: but I don't know that I've ever gone into an 1185 01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:23,439 Speaker 1: audition room for something that is like that much with 1186 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,400 Speaker 1: having no idea until I'm already in the room with 1187 01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,920 Speaker 1: the director. You know, Like that even seems kind of 1188 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,120 Speaker 1: like sketchy. Um that you could get all the way 1189 01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,639 Speaker 1: into an audition before realizing what a human centipede is. 1190 01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,400 Speaker 1: You know, they should be more upfront about Yeah, I 1191 01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:46,040 Speaker 1: did read that. Um. Before the actors signed onto the project, 1192 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,120 Speaker 1: they were given an outline of the script or an 1193 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,120 Speaker 1: outline of the storyboard, rather than a full script, so 1194 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:59,080 Speaker 1: they didn't fully know exactly what like specific scenes they 1195 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:00,840 Speaker 1: were going to have to be doing out that they 1196 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,960 Speaker 1: were given sketches of how this centipede would look, so 1197 01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,320 Speaker 1: they at least know, well, that's not not that part. 1198 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:15,080 Speaker 1: My favorite cursed quote from from this was Ashlyn Jenny, 1199 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,880 Speaker 1: who played Jenny. The way that her manager framed it 1200 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,519 Speaker 1: to her when she was asked to audition was hey, 1201 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,400 Speaker 1: would you like to audition for this controversial European film. 1202 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, could you like frame the 1203 01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:35,439 Speaker 1: human centipede in a less honest way than I mean, 1204 01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,720 Speaker 1: it is technically a controversial European film, but that's not 1205 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,280 Speaker 1: what I think of, no, when I think of yeah. 1206 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,920 Speaker 1: And then I was also curious because I was like, 1207 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:49,679 Speaker 1: how safe were these actors? How much discomfort were they 1208 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,240 Speaker 1: in on like physically, emotionally, mentally, you know, I just 1209 01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,439 Speaker 1: I had to feel. I was just like, I was 1210 01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:00,559 Speaker 1: so worried that I would learn the condition on set 1211 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,679 Speaker 1: were like really unpleasant and toxic, and to some degree 1212 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:11,080 Speaker 1: they were. And regarding Dieter later Dieter Laser Mr laser Um, 1213 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he sounds like when he was in method 1214 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,679 Speaker 1: zone he was like full Tom Hardy as Matt mac full, 1215 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,760 Speaker 1: like like any man doing method. It sounds like he 1216 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,519 Speaker 1: was behaving and as scary and kind of like in 1217 01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,599 Speaker 1: that same way where it's like, oh, well, he's an artist, 1218 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,080 Speaker 1: so he's allowed to treat you like ship while you're 1219 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,479 Speaker 1: at work, like that ship that we've talked about a 1220 01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,840 Speaker 1: million times that we like fucking hate. Yeah. Yeah, he 1221 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,920 Speaker 1: was screaming at the other actors. He was like refusing 1222 01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,440 Speaker 1: to talk to them like between takes to like preserve 1223 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:47,400 Speaker 1: the level you know, the whatever. Who even knows, But um, yeah, 1224 01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,799 Speaker 1: so he was being a real piece of ship on set. 1225 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:55,080 Speaker 1: It seems like the human Centipede itself, the three were, um, 1226 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:59,200 Speaker 1: there was some solidarity within the Centipede. Yeah, and I 1227 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:04,880 Speaker 1: where and that they were given like massages at the 1228 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,040 Speaker 1: end of the of each shooting day because of like 1229 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:12,719 Speaker 1: the uncomfortable positions they had to maintain, and there were robes. 1230 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,320 Speaker 1: There was like some because that was honestly, like I 1231 01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,439 Speaker 1: was just like, oh, is there are they being given 1232 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,240 Speaker 1: for such an obviously uncomfortable position for an actor to 1233 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,200 Speaker 1: have to be in? Were they given the correct amount 1234 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,640 Speaker 1: of like you know, layers between each other and like 1235 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,719 Speaker 1: was there there was some of that? It seems like yeah, 1236 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,479 Speaker 1: ultimately it's so low budget that. I'm like, I just 1237 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 1: find it hard to believe that it was totally above board. 1238 01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,240 Speaker 1: And there's also a few creepy quotes in there where 1239 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,240 Speaker 1: the actor who played cats Sero said something kind of 1240 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,400 Speaker 1: creepy in the in the Oral History where he's like, 1241 01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,800 Speaker 1: I did a skype audition and Tom was like, just 1242 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 1: to let you know, these two beautiful girls's face are 1243 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,720 Speaker 1: going to be attached to your ass. I was like, 1244 01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,240 Speaker 1: you're a genius, and it's like, well, that's not the 1245 01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,040 Speaker 1: best vibe to be like that doesn't make me feel 1246 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,080 Speaker 1: particularly good about the conditions that these these women were 1247 01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:12,120 Speaker 1: brought into. Uh, we weren't there. Here's something we're bravely 1248 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:17,720 Speaker 1: gonna admit we weren't on the set of The Human Centipede. Um. 1249 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it's like falls into this 1250 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,040 Speaker 1: gray area where it's like it doesn't seem like it 1251 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,200 Speaker 1: was completely I most most of where I felt like 1252 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,400 Speaker 1: uncomfortable was the pre production stuff from like, you have 1253 01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,679 Speaker 1: to be super fucking straightforward about what you're signing people 1254 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,320 Speaker 1: up for, Tom six, you can't be like coy about 1255 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,840 Speaker 1: the Human Centipede, which he was very coy about it 1256 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,679 Speaker 1: to at least to some degree that the cast as 1257 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,880 Speaker 1: well as financiers. Um, did you read this story? I 1258 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,680 Speaker 1: don't care about that. That's kind of funny, but that's 1259 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,599 Speaker 1: just funny. Where he was just like, yeah, it's about 1260 01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,160 Speaker 1: a surgeon who conjoins people, but he left out the 1261 01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,880 Speaker 1: part where it was like a mouth to anus. Just 1262 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,840 Speaker 1: didn't say where I feel like that in the on 1263 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:08,040 Speaker 1: the financier part, that's hilarious, but on the actor part, 1264 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,280 Speaker 1: it's really on though, Like if you want to build 1265 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,120 Speaker 1: trust with people and you want them to not like 1266 01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,840 Speaker 1: sue the ship out of you lately like later on, 1267 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,519 Speaker 1: then you know you've you've got to be It bothered 1268 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,560 Speaker 1: me that it sounds like he would be he was 1269 01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,479 Speaker 1: being a little coy about that, because it's like, well, 1270 01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,760 Speaker 1: what do you stand to gain other than this like 1271 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,720 Speaker 1: weird power upper hand over these relatively I mean like 1272 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,040 Speaker 1: actors that had experience, but we're not famous and you 1273 01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:42,960 Speaker 1: would imagine not famous enough to have more power than him, essentially, 1274 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:49,200 Speaker 1: Like it just made me uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't think 1275 01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,479 Speaker 1: that Tom six is a very I mean, he is 1276 01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:58,240 Speaker 1: quoted as saying that he gets quote a rash from 1277 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:03,280 Speaker 1: too much political correctives. So he's not a woke guy. 1278 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the human fucking centipede, Like he is not 1279 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:13,599 Speaker 1: not awoke guy. I mean, I'm just like, okay, even 1280 01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,120 Speaker 1: if you're not politically aligned with me, like you have 1281 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:20,320 Speaker 1: to treat your actors ethically, you know, like that is 1282 01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,479 Speaker 1: there is a very low bar you need to clear, 1283 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,719 Speaker 1: and it just didn't seem like at least it seems 1284 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,000 Speaker 1: like at least once the movie was in production, that 1285 01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:33,360 Speaker 1: there was some care taken um, but in pre production, 1286 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,439 Speaker 1: and also it's just I don't know. I never I 1287 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,719 Speaker 1: never know what to think because it's like so often 1288 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,519 Speaker 1: when actors say like, oh, I'm fine, it's just because 1289 01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,240 Speaker 1: they want to just they just wanted to be over 1290 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,280 Speaker 1: um and not because they're actually fine, but they're like, well, 1291 01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to prolong the problem, like I don't 1292 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:53,320 Speaker 1: want to prolong this by saying I'm uncomfortable. I mean, 1293 01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:57,280 Speaker 1: especially you know women or actors of color, like who 1294 01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,559 Speaker 1: don't want to which the whole human centipede is right, 1295 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,160 Speaker 1: and they don't want to appear difficult because you know, 1296 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,799 Speaker 1: if they get a reputation, they won't get cast in things, 1297 01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:11,599 Speaker 1: so they have to just kind of tolerate whatever abuse 1298 01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,400 Speaker 1: it dealt to them on set. So I meanwhile, the 1299 01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,880 Speaker 1: the you know, the main white guys going method and 1300 01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,120 Speaker 1: screaming at everybody, and so it's like there is a 1301 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:29,880 Speaker 1: clear differentiation of power, yes the set. I also just 1302 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,599 Speaker 1: want to be clear. I mean in terms of like 1303 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:36,160 Speaker 1: the medical experimentation and Nazi doctor stuff, there's just like 1304 01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,840 Speaker 1: our show is not equipped to fully unpack all of that. 1305 01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,960 Speaker 1: I tried to acknowledge that I think that that's what's 1306 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,760 Speaker 1: being referenced here, which is not. It just wasn't my 1307 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,200 Speaker 1: understanding of what this movie was that I didn't even 1308 01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,240 Speaker 1: think it was going to attempt to reference anything. And 1309 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,240 Speaker 1: the way that it does, I mean it's like, ultimately 1310 01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,840 Speaker 1: this movie doesn't accomplish anything. But I don't think that 1311 01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:03,120 Speaker 1: anyone was like shocked by that. I don't know. I 1312 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,920 Speaker 1: found there was a fun friend of the cast, Karina 1313 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,080 Speaker 1: Longworth quote in that that I wanted to share just 1314 01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,519 Speaker 1: because like she she was I think this was like 1315 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,000 Speaker 1: pre podcast and she was a full time film reviewer 1316 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,919 Speaker 1: at this time. But what she said was the reaction 1317 01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,760 Speaker 1: I had of wanting to throw up is a visceral thing, 1318 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,960 Speaker 1: and the movie showed a certain kind of skill in 1319 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,720 Speaker 1: getting that reaction out of me for what it was. 1320 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,160 Speaker 1: The Human Centipede was perfect. And it's like, I feel 1321 01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:35,280 Speaker 1: like that's like the true theme of the Human Centipede 1322 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:39,479 Speaker 1: is that it's fucking the grossest thing that anyone has 1323 01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:44,120 Speaker 1: ever thought of in their entire life. But the but there, 1324 01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,519 Speaker 1: but the but but within that, they are like putting 1325 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:52,920 Speaker 1: some historical context and they are putting two women women 1326 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:57,639 Speaker 1: and an Asian man in the Human Centipede exclusively, and 1327 01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,840 Speaker 1: there is like I don't I mean, it's like it 1328 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,800 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter if Tom six doesn't want to talk 1329 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,599 Speaker 1: about the politics of what he's doing. What he's doing, 1330 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:11,760 Speaker 1: his his choices are intentional here, you know. Yeah. Um, 1331 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,320 Speaker 1: just a little bit about the inclusion of the character 1332 01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:21,280 Speaker 1: of cut Serro, who is played by a Hiro Kitamura, 1333 01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,240 Speaker 1: who's been in a bunch of like a bunch of 1334 01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,880 Speaker 1: I was going through his filmography and like, this actor 1335 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:33,479 Speaker 1: has been in a lot of wild movies. Um, what 1336 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:38,240 Speaker 1: I was reading about that character is basically cut Serro 1337 01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:44,559 Speaker 1: was included simply to create a language barrier between him 1338 01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:49,800 Speaker 1: and like the two women and also the doctor. So 1339 01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,200 Speaker 1: basically you get an inclusion of an Asian character. But 1340 01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:58,519 Speaker 1: it's only for that reason, which again is not the 1341 01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:05,439 Speaker 1: inclusion that where hoping for in film. Well absolutely no, 1342 01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:10,400 Speaker 1: absolutely not like the like no question mark either. It 1343 01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,800 Speaker 1: absolutely isn't. And I mean it takes longer, I guess 1344 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,680 Speaker 1: than I expected in The Human Sent to Be for 1345 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,240 Speaker 1: someone to die. But the first person who dies is 1346 01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,240 Speaker 1: the only non white person in the cast is the 1347 01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,479 Speaker 1: first person to die. Um, everyone, you know, it's it's 1348 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,360 Speaker 1: kind of a Rohan Dominoes. But I feel like that 1349 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:31,040 Speaker 1: that keeps with that classic horror trope of a white 1350 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:32,920 Speaker 1: person is never the first person to die in a 1351 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,840 Speaker 1: horror movie or in a thriller gore movie like this, 1352 01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,800 Speaker 1: and the Humans Sent to Be kind of upholds that. 1353 01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're you're including the truck driver who 1354 01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,080 Speaker 1: was killed first. I guess I guess I meant, like, 1355 01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:49,280 Speaker 1: of the cast that we know, I don't I don't 1356 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:55,519 Speaker 1: even know what the truck driver's name was. Um, but yeah, 1357 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean I think that it's I would be curious. 1358 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,080 Speaker 1: I guess I'm like, I don't know if I really 1359 01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:03,920 Speaker 1: want to know what anyone who was in the Human 1360 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,640 Speaker 1: Centipede what's on their mind right now? Maybe not, but 1361 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,760 Speaker 1: but you know, I I think that it's I think 1362 01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,680 Speaker 1: it just shows like, uh that that seems like a 1363 01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:17,679 Speaker 1: Tom six problem of like just so like, oh, well, 1364 01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,360 Speaker 1: I need to introduce an obstacle and what is the 1365 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,320 Speaker 1: way I can do this? And it's just so do 1366 01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,559 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, it's just so like 1367 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:32,760 Speaker 1: white guy brain to be like, oh this would be oh, 1368 01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,800 Speaker 1: this is perfect because it's it's it's not like intentional 1369 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,920 Speaker 1: inclusion in any way, shape or form. And it seems 1370 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,160 Speaker 1: like he's choosing people that the doctor would feel comfortable 1371 01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,120 Speaker 1: victimizing too, which introduces this whole other layer of fucked 1372 01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:51,080 Speaker 1: up inness, right and then and again I'm I'm pulling 1373 01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:57,639 Speaker 1: from Wikipedia here, but hit it. It's says cut Cerro's 1374 01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:02,559 Speaker 1: position in the Centipede being like the first one sets 1375 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,960 Speaker 1: up the opportunity for the doctor and the male victim 1376 01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,120 Speaker 1: of the centipede to fight towards the climax of the 1377 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:14,759 Speaker 1: film end quote, which reads to me like Tom six 1378 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:20,439 Speaker 1: couldn't envision a scenario in which a woman would fight 1379 01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:25,120 Speaker 1: a man. Okay, I thought that was an interesting choice 1380 01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,400 Speaker 1: to that Catzerro is at the front of that, Like, 1381 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,240 Speaker 1: I guess I saw that going to directions, and I 1382 01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,519 Speaker 1: always I'm kind of assuming that Tom Sex is going 1383 01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,639 Speaker 1: in the less well thought out direction, which is that yeah, 1384 01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:42,000 Speaker 1: like he's just like, oh, well, I want a woman 1385 01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,640 Speaker 1: at the front. She'll just be yelling and screaming all 1386 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:50,280 Speaker 1: day like, and which is It's it's frustrating because it's 1387 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,720 Speaker 1: like Lindsay, you know, we've been introduced to Lindsia' is like, oh, 1388 01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,320 Speaker 1: this is the you know, this is our female character 1389 01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,680 Speaker 1: that we're kind of like rooting for. It seems like 1390 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,040 Speaker 1: she kind of has the smart and the ability and 1391 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, like know how to get out of this situation. 1392 01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,000 Speaker 1: But then she is punished, and then after she's punished, 1393 01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,400 Speaker 1: she kind of disappears like there's not really anything she 1394 01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,719 Speaker 1: does after that that is like, oh, there's that scrappy Lindsay. 1395 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,880 Speaker 1: We knew from the beginning who got out of the situation, 1396 01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,639 Speaker 1: and it seems I mean, I guess it's like if 1397 01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:24,760 Speaker 1: this were a real life situation, maybe, but it's like, 1398 01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,960 Speaker 1: in terms of plot, it doesn't even really make a 1399 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,320 Speaker 1: ton of sense to me that you would establish this 1400 01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:33,280 Speaker 1: kind of like this female character with agency, have her 1401 01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,680 Speaker 1: be punished and then have kind of nothing happened after that. 1402 01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:40,120 Speaker 1: It seems like a there was so much set up 1403 01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,160 Speaker 1: that like a lot of the setup I didn't even 1404 01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,559 Speaker 1: dislike that. I was like, oh, okay, but then she 1405 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,760 Speaker 1: doesn't do anything. For there's the movie she's stuck in 1406 01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,840 Speaker 1: the middle of, which is like, realistically, I guess probably 1407 01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:53,840 Speaker 1: what would happen, But in terms of like a three 1408 01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,000 Speaker 1: X structure, it's like I was assuming someone was gonna 1409 01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,400 Speaker 1: unso themselves, or like something was going to happen been, 1410 01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,600 Speaker 1: or like they would find a way to like communicate 1411 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:08,200 Speaker 1: with Kutzero, or like there was just the I guess 1412 01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,920 Speaker 1: it's like foolish of me to be like the human 1413 01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:16,000 Speaker 1: said to be was so disempowered. But like, but I 1414 01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,320 Speaker 1: just thought, because you are, like the doctor is so 1415 01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:24,000 Speaker 1: intentionally creating this so that they can't possibly communicate with 1416 01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,400 Speaker 1: each other, because it does seem like that's the other 1417 01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,160 Speaker 1: That was the thing that I was like, Oh, maybe 1418 01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:32,759 Speaker 1: he's trying to do that by introducing the only person 1419 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,439 Speaker 1: who can speak no one can understand what they're saying 1420 01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,599 Speaker 1: because like Katzero is the only person in the room 1421 01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,840 Speaker 1: who speaks Japanese, and I'm like, maybe that was his 1422 01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,400 Speaker 1: but like I don't even really want to give Tom 1423 01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,320 Speaker 1: six that much credit. I just like, I just wish 1424 01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,240 Speaker 1: that the human said to be had been able to 1425 01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,759 Speaker 1: communicate or like there had been some sort of moment 1426 01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:56,360 Speaker 1: other than because I mean, and and it was exciting 1427 01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:59,200 Speaker 1: to see katzero stab the doctor and ship like that. 1428 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,760 Speaker 1: Like that was and he is our only non white 1429 01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,960 Speaker 1: character in the entire fucking movies. So I'm like, I'm 1430 01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,519 Speaker 1: glad that he had those moments of agency and like 1431 01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,200 Speaker 1: taking charge of the situation, But I would have rather 1432 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,640 Speaker 1: have seen that with them like working together, you know, 1433 01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:18,519 Speaker 1: or like connecting, because it's so it makes it even 1434 01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:23,400 Speaker 1: more upsetting when cuts Cerro makes this like tragic speech 1435 01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,840 Speaker 1: at the end that no one can understand and just 1436 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,760 Speaker 1: no one ever gets to know him, and then he 1437 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:34,120 Speaker 1: does like it's show that what are you trying to 1438 01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,920 Speaker 1: say with that? Tom Sex said so fucking depressing? It's like, yeah, like, 1439 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,120 Speaker 1: I mean, and I just don't believe that Tom six 1440 01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:42,840 Speaker 1: is actually trying to say anything with that. I think 1441 01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,400 Speaker 1: he's just like, well, he's at the front of the 1442 01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,479 Speaker 1: human see what do you want? Like, but yeah, I mean, 1443 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:54,240 Speaker 1: he's written a script and made a movie where the protagonists, 1444 01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:58,320 Speaker 1: who is a woman loses all of her agency half 1445 01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,880 Speaker 1: at the midpoint of the movie and then doesn't she's 1446 01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,880 Speaker 1: not even the protagonist by the end, Right, who is 1447 01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:07,040 Speaker 1: the protective Like, is there one like it? The doc 1448 01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,840 Speaker 1: is right, the doctor? I mean, the movie starts to 1449 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,439 Speaker 1: focus so much on the doctor, especially post surgery, because 1450 01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,840 Speaker 1: that's what happens when you sew people's mouths to other 1451 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:24,280 Speaker 1: people's anuses. They can't talk anymore too much. Like then 1452 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,519 Speaker 1: the movie focuses on the doctor and kind of like 1453 01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,559 Speaker 1: what he's up to It not that we're rooting for him, 1454 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,679 Speaker 1: but like it's such a weird writing choice. It is. Yeah, 1455 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,559 Speaker 1: Like I feel like it does get into the like 1456 01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,760 Speaker 1: factor of and I don't want to like let Tom 1457 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,320 Speaker 1: sis off the hook in anyway here because he's making 1458 01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,120 Speaker 1: a lot of racist and misogynist choices in kind of 1459 01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:48,800 Speaker 1: like like he's referencing this clear racism and misogyny that 1460 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,479 Speaker 1: this doctor has, but he's not really like it's not 1461 01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,360 Speaker 1: going anywhere, So it's kind of right, he's just racism 1462 01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,759 Speaker 1: and misogyny that's happening on screen that isn't going anywhere. 1463 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:03,280 Speaker 1: But like I just kept waiting for like well, Lindsay's 1464 01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,280 Speaker 1: got like Lindsay's going to find a pen, you know, 1465 01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,280 Speaker 1: like someone's going to find a way of communicating with 1466 01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:12,280 Speaker 1: somebody they're going to be able to. Like it's just 1467 01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like I'm trying to think 1468 01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,240 Speaker 1: of like another movie example where this happens. But it's 1469 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:20,160 Speaker 1: like characters with language barriers find ways to communicate with 1470 01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,120 Speaker 1: each other in other movies and in life, you know. 1471 01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,800 Speaker 1: And it's like I just thought that that was going 1472 01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,679 Speaker 1: to happen at some point, Like I thought that it 1473 01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,759 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, so we have this like pretty sizeable 1474 01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,280 Speaker 1: language barrier between these characters. That's why it's going to 1475 01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:40,040 Speaker 1: be all the more like Wow, when they managed the 1476 01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:43,280 Speaker 1: bigger obstacle to write and then they're going to manage 1477 01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:44,960 Speaker 1: to overcome it, and the doctor is going to be 1478 01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,519 Speaker 1: shocked and like it's going to be really exciting. But 1479 01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,599 Speaker 1: then they just they just don't and they just stay 1480 01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,400 Speaker 1: a human centipiece. And Jenny. I mean, it's like, if 1481 01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,080 Speaker 1: you think Lindsay disappears, where does Jenny go, Like she 1482 01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:02,439 Speaker 1: just is dying the entire your movie. She's just dying. 1483 01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:07,280 Speaker 1: Now that we fully dropped the bit um it's such 1484 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:14,840 Speaker 1: a It is a bummer because it's like because he 1485 01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:19,600 Speaker 1: said it is, because it's like we're given, you know, 1486 01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:24,200 Speaker 1: three characters that it could possibly it would still be disgusting, 1487 01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:26,560 Speaker 1: but like it would be interesting if they found a 1488 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,880 Speaker 1: way to communicate with each other and like make a 1489 01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,479 Speaker 1: plan instead of just like a lot of movie passing 1490 01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,519 Speaker 1: and then katzero being like, um, so we should get 1491 01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:37,680 Speaker 1: out of here right like, because that's kind of all 1492 01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,920 Speaker 1: that happened, and it makes sense that he would, you know, 1493 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,760 Speaker 1: want to get out of there. But it's just like 1494 01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:51,800 Speaker 1: the entire caboose is just really disempowered in that good 1495 01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:59,360 Speaker 1: So glad we're talking about this. Yeah, so I guess 1496 01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,040 Speaker 1: now that now that we have dropped the bit um 1497 01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,200 Speaker 1: a little peek behind the curtain, this was, Um, I 1498 01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:08,240 Speaker 1: thought it would be a very very funny April Fools 1499 01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:10,320 Speaker 1: joke if we cover I thought we should do the 1500 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:14,240 Speaker 1: Snyder cut, but that's four hours long, so this is 1501 01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:19,679 Speaker 1: actually the lesser of many evils that we pitched. So um, yeah, 1502 01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:23,400 Speaker 1: happy April Fool, Stay everybody. Yeah, let's wrap this up. 1503 01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,559 Speaker 1: I need to go, Doe, I need to go absolutely die. 1504 01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,760 Speaker 1: Um was there other stuff that kind of stuck out 1505 01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:37,240 Speaker 1: to you. I don't think so. Yeah, I think that 1506 01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:41,880 Speaker 1: this movie references one or two interesting points, but it 1507 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,080 Speaker 1: doesn't make a point about any of them. It just 1508 01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,719 Speaker 1: kind of like if you did have a pre existing 1509 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:53,160 Speaker 1: knowledge of deeply cruel medical experiments, maybe your brain would 1510 01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,679 Speaker 1: be pained at a few points in this movie of like, oh, 1511 01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,160 Speaker 1: I think that that's what they're referencing there, but it's 1512 01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,720 Speaker 1: not going anywhere, and so you are just kind of 1513 01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:08,679 Speaker 1: seeing the cruelest possible punishment inflicted onto three innocent people 1514 01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,120 Speaker 1: I just to meet. The saddest part of the movie 1515 01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,160 Speaker 1: is when we learn I mean, we end up kind 1516 01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:15,800 Speaker 1: of by the end of the movie learning more about 1517 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,000 Speaker 1: cutzero than we know about the I mean, at least 1518 01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,200 Speaker 1: Lindsay and Jenny, because he just kind of like tells 1519 01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,760 Speaker 1: his life story in his dying breath and but his 1520 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,080 Speaker 1: whole like I've done all this fucked up stuff, but 1521 01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,960 Speaker 1: human Centipede, really it just seems like a bit much. 1522 01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:35,559 Speaker 1: And then he dies and you're just like, oh my god, 1523 01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,799 Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I mean, it's like implying 1524 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,000 Speaker 1: that he might deserve it. I'm like cut Thoro, there's 1525 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,320 Speaker 1: just like no way that you deserve. You were just 1526 01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:50,840 Speaker 1: on vacation. Yeah. The best horror movies, at least for me, 1527 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,800 Speaker 1: are ones that are like clearly allegorical or have some 1528 01:36:55,880 --> 01:37:00,120 Speaker 1: kind of social commentary or something. In this movie is 1529 01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:04,160 Speaker 1: just devoid of that. I think it's like starts in 1530 01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:07,639 Speaker 1: an interesting place and then and then takes the hard 1531 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:13,760 Speaker 1: left into just simply being the human centipede. Um, which 1532 01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,320 Speaker 1: is a shame because it would I mean, like theoretically, 1533 01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:21,240 Speaker 1: it would be pretty fucking incredible if a like really 1534 01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,880 Speaker 1: skilled writer was able to turn this disgusting thing into 1535 01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,040 Speaker 1: an interesting conversation. Um, but it's kind of a nonstarter 1536 01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,080 Speaker 1: to talk about here because that's just like kind of 1537 01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:39,240 Speaker 1: not what happened. So, um, I give it six nipples, 1538 01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:46,160 Speaker 1: and it does pass the Bactel test, not even lying. Absolutely. Yeah, um, 1539 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:53,560 Speaker 1: I give it six centipede legs, which is the equivalent 1540 01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:59,200 Speaker 1: of zero nipples. Wait, you're I thought we were No, 1541 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:04,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna give okay six sorry, six nipples. I can't 1542 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,320 Speaker 1: believe you bailed. I can't believe you bailed on me 1543 01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:08,920 Speaker 1: like that. You know what that's gonna look like on 1544 01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:14,160 Speaker 1: the Wikipedia chaos. Yeah, but I can't have I cannot 1545 01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:17,200 Speaker 1: in good conscious have one of our highest rated movies 1546 01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:23,320 Speaker 1: be The Human Centipede. That's so funny, that's so funny. 1547 01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,400 Speaker 1: I want I want history to look back on this 1548 01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,160 Speaker 1: show and then and then, because all that means is 1549 01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,040 Speaker 1: they have to go back and listen to this episode 1550 01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,120 Speaker 1: and look at the date of release and be like, 1551 01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:41,280 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm giving it. Okay, I guess like 1552 01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:48,679 Speaker 1: I give it six nipples parentheses as a little joke. Okay, 1553 01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,719 Speaker 1: And I don't want to give a real rating because 1554 01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,639 Speaker 1: I don't want to think about this movie for another second. Okay, Um, ditto, 1555 01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:59,679 Speaker 1: I'll do the same thing. Whoever is editing the Wikipedia page, 1556 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,320 Speaker 1: make sure to say parent disease as a little joke, 1557 01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:08,000 Speaker 1: and then we're good to go. Well, I guess that's 1558 01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:13,800 Speaker 1: it for the Human Centipede episode. Oh yeah, I mean 1559 01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:15,840 Speaker 1: I guess. In terms of behind the scenes, it was 1560 01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:21,760 Speaker 1: literally all Tom six and occasionally his sister. So you know, 1561 01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,080 Speaker 1: there was a woman at the top of production, but 1562 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:28,719 Speaker 1: she was from a cursed bloodline. She was from Tom's 1563 01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:34,080 Speaker 1: Tom six sister. Um, so we hope you enjoyed this. Yeah, 1564 01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,720 Speaker 1: you're welcome everyone. You know, I know that this is 1565 01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,080 Speaker 1: a really that there was a high demand for this 1566 01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:42,639 Speaker 1: and people and and hey, if you want an episode 1567 01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:46,280 Speaker 1: on the Snyder Cut. Um, you know, I was. I 1568 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:47,960 Speaker 1: thought that was funny until I found out it was 1569 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,680 Speaker 1: four hours long? Is it really four hours long? It's 1570 01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:54,519 Speaker 1: literally four hours like jokes, four hours long, and it's 1571 01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be like just as bad but in a 1572 01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:02,280 Speaker 1: totally different way. Okay, So, um, you know this is 1573 01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:09,200 Speaker 1: what you get. Okay, April fool, gotcha he he joke, joke. 1574 01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:14,040 Speaker 1: We're still inside, so everything's great. And we hope you're well. 1575 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,000 Speaker 1: We hope you're safe, and we hope you're making good 1576 01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:21,360 Speaker 1: choices and um and we and we love you, We 1577 01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:25,679 Speaker 1: love you so much. And aper fools fell on a Thursday. 1578 01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,200 Speaker 1: You left us with no choice. We had to, we 1579 01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:32,719 Speaker 1: had to, and you know the usual stuff social media, 1580 01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:37,240 Speaker 1: our Matreon, give us, you know, give us six nipples 1581 01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:42,240 Speaker 1: on iTunes or Apple podcasts or whatever. Honestly, if you've 1582 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,960 Speaker 1: made it to the end of this episode, it would 1583 01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:48,080 Speaker 1: mean so much to simply give us, uh five stars 1584 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:51,120 Speaker 1: on iTunes. It always helps because occasionally we get a 1585 01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,759 Speaker 1: wave of m R A s and it and it's stressful. Yeah, please, 1586 01:40:55,120 --> 01:41:00,000 Speaker 1: So please dilute their low ratings by giving us five nipples. 1587 01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,360 Speaker 1: And um we'll be back with more soon. More to come, 1588 01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,000 Speaker 1: all right, um bye bye bye