WEBVTT - I'm Spartacus! 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:03.400 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:12.520 Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.720 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.760 It's just the two of us. So that's okay because 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.920 you're here, dear listener insert your first name after that, 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.200 and this is stuff you should Know. That's right. Uh, 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.720 Stanley kuber condition m sort of. I went to go, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.080 um watch that last night? Oh yeah, and then I 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.199 was like, wait, I think that's really long. So I 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:39.760 looked up the run time. I was like, I'm not 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.280 watching that, so have yet to see it. Yeah, watch 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.879 Pazz of Glory instead. What was that? Is that? The 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:51.760 one about Barry Lyndon? Now that was Barry Lindon. That's 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.360 great too, But if you're gunning for early Kubrick, I 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.080 would say, uh, Killer's Kiss if you want to go 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.960 super early. And then as of Glory, which is the 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.760 other one he did with Kirk Douglas, the World War 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.520 One trench warfare film. That's great, okay. And Barry Lyndon, 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.520 which is just a masterpiece, wasn't that Ryan O'Neill, Yeah, boy, 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.520 it's good. Yeah, he's in one of my favorite movies 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.440 of all time Paper movie. That's right, and one of 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:22.520 my favorite movies. The main event? What was that? It 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.400 was a rom com? He did as he played a 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:29.640 boxer opposite Barbra Streisand was she a boxer? No? It was. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:31.720 It was not great. I mean it was fine. It 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.440 was one of the seventies rom coms, but not one 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.319 of my favorite movies by any stretch. Speaking of rom coms, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.039 but minus the rom part and just the calm, heavy 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.480 on the calm. Have you seen Eliza this Lessengers sketch 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:49.440 show on Netflix? No, it was very good that How 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.200 do I know that name? She's She's gotten pretty big 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.320 as a stand up in the last couple of years. Um. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.640 She If you haven't discovered her yet, you're welcome. She's 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.080 really great. I'm looking her up now, which is something 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.520 I don't normally do. I don't think I recognize her. Okay, well, 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.919 she's got some stand up specials that are definitely worth watching. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.040 And then she just debuted a season of a sketch 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.920 comedy show that's pretty good, definitely worth seeing. I have 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.880 to check that out. Ryan O'Neil's not in it yet, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.880 but like I said, it's just one season. Uh, we're 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:25.680 on a shout out Live Science. By the way, we 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:30.120 used how Stuff Works article on Spartacus and this great 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.399 Live Science article on Spartacus, the real Spartacus, not Kirk Douglas. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.120 I also read an article from a guy named Um 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.480 Kenneth Spartacus Kenneth P check c z e c H 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.120 like check the Czech Republic. I guess maybe that's where 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.880 his family is from. Who knows, but he wrote an 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:53.400 article back in the nineties about Um Spartacus that was 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.079 very exhaustive, that was helpful. And then there's also a 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.000 historian named Barry Strauss who I read some like interviews 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.320 articles from him too. He's a bit of a specialist 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.920 on Spartacus, so shout out to those cats as well. Yeah. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.400 So the story of Spartacus, if you've watched this the 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.760 Kubrick film, it is not Um. I mean, there are 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.640 bits of truth in there, but it's definitely not some 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:21.919 real truthful biopic of his life. Good movie, but we're 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.560 going to give you the real story of spartacus life, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.320 which is that of a and the leader of an 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.440 uprising of slaves who said Rome We're not going to 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.120 take it anymore. Um, no, we ain't gonna take it. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:42.960 That's right, We're not going to take it. And it's 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.560 the original title, I think. Um, and we we met 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.480 that guy. Oh, actually we passed that guy backstage on's 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.880 members right? What show was that? Whatever? I think it 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.960 was Jeff Brokes, wasn't it? No? No, no, it was 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:59.120 the whatever show? With? Was it with? Was that Martha 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.800 Stewart's daughter? Yea, she has a first name, Alexis, Alexis 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:07.720 and Jennifer, right, Jennifer and Alexis. Wow. Yes, remember when 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:09.720 we were on TV every now and then, Yeah, we'd 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.440 be on that. We were on Jeff Probes. Do you 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.560 remember the Jeff Probes Show. He was interviewing us and 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.359 he zoned out so hard I almost said, like, Jeff, 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.160 are you okay while we were talking. Yeah, and we 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.440 used to occasionally we'd be on CNN. They would have 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.599 us on to do like talking head stuff, and then, uh, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:32.479 everyone just sort of stopped caring about us. We got 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:37.960 really well, we got really popular podcasting, and they just 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.880 all said, huh, well, whatever, we don't need those guys. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.320 That's okay, Now, I don't want to be on CNN 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.120 or any news network. Well, yeah, we were on the 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.360 soul A Deed O'Brien show. We were interviewed by Christine Roman. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.080 She's she's like super legit journalist. It was pretty so 0:04:55.200 --> 0:05:00.000 was Jeff Probest right. The tribe has spoken and they 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.320 who else? And that what he said, the tribe is spoken? Yeah, 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.520 and then he that candle. He'd kick you in the 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.320 seat of your pants on the way out, and you 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.760 would thank God, because what a relief to be kicked 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.920 off that garbage show man. It was good the first 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.200 season or two. I think. I think I did watch 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.120 the first couple of seasons. Um, but you know, I'm 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.159 not gonna yunk someone's army. There's probably still Survivor shows 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.840 going on. Oh no, there are they. I think the 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.480 most recent season they brought together like past champions or 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.599 past people who got kicked off one of the two 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.479 and said who's going to win this time? Yeah? I don't. 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.320 The only one I do like that is Top Chef, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.800 which is still maintained its integrity after all these years 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.000 and never became dumb. And then for a little while 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.960 I did that. Discovery had a show I cannot remember 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.599 the name of it where it was like a post 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:57.679 apocalyptic scenario where they would put people in this area 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.720 and like a ocasionally they would send in these mad 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.440 Max type people to mess with them and take their stuff, 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.120 and they had to build things and defend themselves. God, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.280 what was that called? It was really awful. And where 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.480 the people naked? Because I can tell you the name 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.120 of the show if they were naked. I have watched 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.920 more than one episode of Naked and Afraid I haven't. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.520 Did they just like like blur out there there, um 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.719 the parts of their bathing suit covers. No, they're completely 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.800 naked and it's just shows dong out the whole time 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:34.040 that like goyage Golden Record is blurred out. And the 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.200 kind of the first thing that the ladies do is 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:42.240 fashion some sort of uh eve like covering on her 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.640 on her bits. And the men either do that or 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.840 they're just like, hey, whatever. He's the guy at the 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.080 gym that has a towel like over his shoulder but 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.640 not around his waist. Oh yeah, that guy, that guy 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.479 wearing tennis shoes with no socks. Yes a k A. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.760 Men who were proud of their generals dong out. So 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.800 I'm guessing Spartacus is probably dong out. He was, um, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.840 are we back to Spartacus now you think, okay, So 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:16.200 Spartacus was this guy who everyone knows the name of. Uh. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.280 And you may even know that he was a gladiator. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.320 Maybe you know that he led a slave revolt. But 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:27.320 this guy was really nuanced, really detailed, and actually even 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:32.480 after a couple of thousand years of history analysis, you know, 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.640 falling in and out of favor of different cultures that 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.960 come and go, he he stands the test of time 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:43.760 pretty well, even after being draped in you know, a 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.480 lot of people's hang ups and like, you know, held 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.000 up as a prime example of the ideals of whatever 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:54.120 group are revering him. Like, even after you strip all 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.400 that stuff away and look at the historical figure, he 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:00.120 was still a pretty pretty interesting and and kind to 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.360 upstanding guy as far as leaders of slave revolts go. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.720 That's right, and that's a good way to put it. Uh. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.960 He was a Thracian, which means he is from Thrace. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.360 We don't know a ton about his early life because 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:20.840 they just didn't bother recording the history of of nobody's 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.240 slaves in ancient Rome. Why would they. It took him 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.360 to do remarkable things for historians to take notice with 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:32.839 their their quill and paper, and the Romans at the time, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.680 this was an area the Thrace was in southeast Europe 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.000 where they're always trying to subjugate this area of Europe 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.120 and first century BC, and it was just it was 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.280 just not a good scene if you weren't sort of 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.720 upper echelon Roman at the time. No, and Thrace was UM. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.680 I get the impression that it was not really want 0:08:55.840 --> 0:09:00.680 to live under Roman yoke, but I think I also 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.600 have the impression that they were, um, they were in 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.679 league with the Romans, but it was kind of like 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.439 one of those you know, we can either we can 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.280 either be an ally of yours or you can conquer 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.400 us kind of thing, and so I think there was 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.199 a bit of a tense truce and there was a U. 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.960 I don't I don't think any contemporary text about um 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.160 Sparta Kisses still around today. Most of the earliest stuff 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.760 we know about him comes from at the earliest the 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.679 first century CE, and he was living in the last 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.800 century or the first century BC. UM, so people were 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.720 writing about him a hundred two hundred years later. But 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.400 one of the one of those old texts says that 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.400 he wasn't born a slave, and that he actually was 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:51.920 a Thracian soldier who was an ally who who worked 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.720 in the auxiliary or fought in the auxiliary for Rome. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.320 So he was a soldier under Roman command at some point, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.640 and they think that that he was drummed out of 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:06.040 the army for some reason unjustly, this ancient author says, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.080 and that that kind of led on this path to 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.040 him becoming a bandit and a criminal. Yeah, he was 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.640 like the guy in the new Star Wars movies, which 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.760 one which one, the guy that that was a stormtrooper 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.200 and then said, you know what, I'm not a stormtrooper anymore. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.400 I want to kill stormtroopers. Okay, I haven't I've seen 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:33.840 the Last Jedi one. Yeah, that's one. Okay, So but 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.760 that was a that was like a side story, right, 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.400 that wasn't one of the actual cannon. No, So the 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.000 Last Jedi was they made three main ones, a part 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.000 of the cannon, and then a Star Wars fans, you 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.480 have words for all these things. Rogue one was the 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.480 one that was outside, and then the Han solo movie 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.240 was outside and not outside cannon, just not part of 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.480 the whatever that those movies. So Rogue one is the 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.080 one I'm thinking of that was really good. Yeah. I 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:01.959 enjoyed that one quite a bit. The other ones, I 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:03.640 don't think I've been able to make it through a 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.280 single one yet. Oh yeah, I like them, but they're 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.880 Star Wars movies. I don't I don't expect greatness. I 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:11.760 just think they're kind of fun. Yeah, I mean I 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.040 love the first three. Yeah, sure, but not the first 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.520 three seal you know, the first three that were released. 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.400 Ever you liked one through three sequentially or not? Yeah, 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.320 I'm talking about a fan of Menace. Yeah. It is 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:30.320 the best of the bunch, all right. So he's like 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.040 the stormtrooper guy in these new movies that is no 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.480 longer a stormtrooper and wants to kill stormtroopers. Uh. He 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.560 gets captured at one point, and he gets sold into 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.160 slavery in Rome. And then there was this man that 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.199 I love. This article says a man referred to at 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:51.080 times as Vacca. I guess that's his name, or maybe 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.199 he just had a bunch of names. But the upshot 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.680 is this guy had a gladiator school in Capua, about 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.640 a hundred and twenty miles southeast of Rome, and that's 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.680 where Spartacus was sent to train to be a gladiatory 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.160 in Hawaii, right, and I feel like we should take 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.440 a break and get our Star Wars facts straight and 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:39.880 come back. Goodness, Okay, all right, we'll be right back, Chuck, Chuck. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:46.079 So when we left off, Chuck um Boba fett Head 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.520 left the army. You know, I'm not even going to 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.400 do that to us. Have you watched Mandalorian? No, huh, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.840 it's good, the one with Amy Sadaris. Uh. Yeah, she 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.960 is the Mandalorian. She is in it, though she gets 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.200 to like hang out with baby Yoda. I think, no, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.360 it's she isn't and it's a you know, I love 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.720 seeing her in anything, but it does taking me out 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.360 of the moment just a bit. But it's a fun show. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.000 It's kind of like the A Team. You'd like it, 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.000 Oh well, yeah, I probably would like it. Then it's 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.160 like a week adventure of the Week type of thing. Okay, cool, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.400 Yeah I might. I might actually check that out. I've 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.040 been looking for something new. I started Ozark and I'm like, man, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:27.480 this is really dark. Yeah, where are you now? Fifth episode? 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:32.160 I think of season one? Okay, burned through season one 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.280 or anything. No, I've been taking it slow. I don't 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.199 like that. Yeah. I mean you've been taken in small 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.959 doses here there. Yeah, I think I'm through like the 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.840 first four of the latest season. And by the way, correction, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.280 I think I said it was like Heartwell, it is 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.960 like Alatuna. Okay, that makes way more sense because I 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.320 was thinking, is that Ala Tuna? Yeah? Alatuna is you 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:59.480 know where Alatuna is for damn is? Yeah? Ala Tuna 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.760 or heart wells up near South Carolina. It's not at 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.679 the same lake, yeah, because I have friends, We have 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.319 friends who um have a place on Heartwell. And I 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.000 was like, I don't recognize it. But then I thought 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:14.240 I probably wouldn't recognize this about any lake, so I 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.319 just kind of went with Heartwell. It was fine. Or 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.600 from what I learned, there was no such thing as 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.400 a natural lake in the state of Georgia. It's right 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.000 there all and most of them are from the Georgia 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.840 Power Company. Yeah. It's so creepy to me sometimes too, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.320 when you're swimming in a lake, if you start thinking 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.040 about what's beneath your feet, um, it makes you want 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.280 to get back on the boat. Sometimes you mean like 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.320 a former town, yeah town or the woods or something. Yeah. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:46.280 Car Oh well, oh man, how do we get so 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.600 off track? Okay, so we're talking about Sparta because who 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:53.120 has Um he left or was drummed out of the army, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.320 became a bandit is captured and when he's captured, he's 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.240 taken to that gladiator school that you talked about by 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.800 a man sometimes called this call, sometimes referred to as Vodia. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:10.040 And the thing about gladiators is thanks to movies like 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:16.360 Gladiator or UM, I don't know other movies about gladiators, Airplane, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:21.240 the original Airplane, UM. You we have this conception of 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.560 gladiators is kind of like this awesome thing. But if 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.680 you were living in in Rome around the turn of 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:32.080 the last two millennia ago, you did not think of 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:37.920 gladiators very highly. There were some that rose to incredible prominence, 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.960 like the rock stars, sports heroes all mixed together of today. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.360 Gladiator could rise to that level, but it was incredibly rare. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.160 For the most part, they were criminals, prisoners of war, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.240 um slaves, and they were considered the lowliest of the 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.960 low where the the owner their owner in this case Bodia, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:03.240 who owned Um Sparta kiss It basically said the only 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.440 way for me to make money off of you is 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:10.520 to make you fight for these gladiator battles. Um and 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.200 and either bet on you or license you or something 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.200 like that, and that was it. But you were like 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.440 as far as the even the cast of slaves went, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.160 you were at the bottom. If you were a gladiator. Yeah, 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.680 and you know gladiators, if you've seen the movies, it's 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.800 almost always depicted as a fight to the death. That's 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.040 not necessarily the case. You could kind of tap out 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.040 or if they drew blood, sometimes that would be the end. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.600 But if they drew blood that might also be the 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.800 end of view pre antibiotics. Um. Either way, you might 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.480 end up dead. But it wasn't necessarily always a fight 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.160 to the death. Uh. And like you said, sometimes they 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.040 would if you were a great gladiator and a great warrior. Um. 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:52.680 They didn't know what your face look like, but you 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.880 had this cool mask that you were identified by, kind 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.760 of like wrestling or something like that. Or I guess 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.520 the Luca Libre are the ones who always had the mask. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.280 But I can't believe we did an episode on that. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.800 It's so funny. It was a good one too. Um. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.720 But you could be if you want a lot and 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.080 you had a cool helmet you could be a pretty 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.560 big deal to the point where, um, you might have 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.000 slaves taking care of you, and you might lead a 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.760 bit of the better life, but you're still owned by 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.080 someone else. Yeah, you were a slave, you were a 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.480 prisoner of war, you were a criminal um. And but 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.520 when you were taken to gladiator school, it wasn't like 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.400 you're just kept there and then you were thrown into 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.320 the to the ring to fight like you were trained. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.800 You were put on a diet um, you were you 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.520 were basically put through boot camp and and you were 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:47.600 introduced to the specifics of certain types of gladiatorial combat. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.440 And apparently there were a handful of different types, and 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.400 one type of gladiator only fought one or two other 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.960 types of gladiators. And the type that Spartacus was was 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.919 a murmillo, which meant that he fought with a helmet, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.159 a very long um tall shield kind of like the 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.680 Roman centurions were used, and then a short sword called 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.720 the gladius um, and that's what he would have fought with. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.399 But there were other kinds of gladiators too. I ran 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.920 across the super cool one, the ready ready, ready arius, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.560 and they would have a trident and a net and 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.800 a dagger, So you know, like those gladiators that that 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:30.600 like fought with a net. I think it might have 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.360 been a mad Max or something like that. Yeah, that's 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.000 based on an actual type of gladiator that used to 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.000 fight back in the day, and again here in the 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.560 twenty one century. We can sit there and think like, wow, 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.560 this is really interesting stuff, but you have to stop 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.600 for a second and think these people were being forced 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:54.159 against their will into fights to the death, sometimes in 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:59.720 front of spectators, for the sheer blood lust of the crowds. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.159 That was it, and you can't really forget that because 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.280 it really puts you in the mind of somebody like Spartacus, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.119 who has been captured as prisoner, potentially unjustly according to 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:16.040 an ancient text, and being forced into this life of fighting, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.240 sometimes to the death, for the for the joy of 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:24.239 the wealthy crowds who came out to see everybody. That's right, 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:29.040 And that's why Spartacus looked around one day and said, guys, 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.720 we're here at Gladiator's University, right, And I know that 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.000 sounds super cool, but I see where the end is 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.359 for all of us, and that is dying for the 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.800 entertainment value of rich romans, and what do you say 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.000 we get a group of us together, like maybe seventy 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.240 of us, we get the heck out of here, and 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.640 let's let's do it, guys. And they all said, that's 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.080 a great idea. I don't want to go die in 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.840 a ring. So they got together. In seventy three b c. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.680 They hijacked a caravan that just happened to have a 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.800 bunch of gladiator weapons and armor, and they said, hey, 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.080 you know what we are, We're a little army troop. 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.920 All of a sudden, think about the luck that that took. 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.720 Like they broke out. They overpowered their guards with meat 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.560 cleavers that they stole from the kitchen, and um broke out. 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.840 And as they were breaking out, they ran across a 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:24.119 supply truck of gladiator armor and weapons. I feeling that 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.520 was targeted. That was not the case. No, it happened 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.840 to be coming in as they were leaving, and they 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.000 were like, oh, we'll take this or else. They encountered 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.359 it on the road headed to the gladiator school, and 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:38.719 the timing was really fortunate. Well, at any rate, they 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.520 got all this gear and all of a sudden they 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.160 were kidded up. And I think one of the people 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.760 he was with with with his wife, This lady sounds 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.119 very interesting. Um, Like we said, we don't know a 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.359 lot about the actual historical record. We don't know her 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:58.280 actual name. But Plutarch was a writer who wrote that 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.880 Spartacus is why it was a prophetess who was possessed 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.560 by ecstatic frenzies that were part of the worship of 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:10.480 the god Dionysus, which you know, you know what that means. 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.840 She she liked a party. She did. That was the 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.000 party cult for sure, and she apparently was one of 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.679 the priestesses of this cult in Thrace. She was thracy 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:25.280 and as well ecstatic frenzies. Yeah, all though that was cool. Um, 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.560 But she her name apparently is just totally lost. No 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.800 one has any idea what her name is or what 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.440 became of her. They assumed that she probably died alongside 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:40.480 with Sparta kissed. But um, she being a prophetess, a priestess, 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:47.280 apparently foretold his rise to power even while he was 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:49.840 a slave in the gladiator camp, like she lived with 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:53.600 him there. Um, I guess while he was sleeping one 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.280 one night or day or whatever, a snake coiled itself 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.280 around his head. And she was like, well, that doesn't 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.680 happen every day, and I'm pretty sure that Dionysus has 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.159 something to do with this. So my husband's going to 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.080 be pretty important at some point, but he's also going 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.920 to have a very unfortunate end too that the snake 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.760 for tells. And it turns out she was right, that's right. 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:15.520 And then she said, so I'm gonna go have an 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.879 orgy with all these people and drink some wine with 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:24.720 some goat goat fellas. So, uh, these these dudes, this 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.400 little kind of for lack of a better term, battalion, 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.640 all of a sudden they start to train for combat. 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.680 They're near Mount Vesuvius, which don't don't be afraid of 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.120 the volcano everyone. This is about a hundred years before 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.320 that happened. Isn't that creepy though? To think, like this 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:41.879 historic thing took place and they were tramping all over 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.920 Vesuvius to have they had no idea what was coming, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.760 just like a century from then. Mhm, I I don't know. 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:53.960 I think it's amazing, but not Vesuvius at this time. 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.920 What we're saying is it was lovely and it was lush, 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.760 and that was you could farm there. It was very fertile, 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.439 was covered with vines, and they were down their training. 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.840 And eventually Rome takes a little bit of notice, although 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:12.280 they weren't seriously worried yet. Uh. They were hiding out 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.280 and they were training. And one of his co leaders, 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.320 this guy Crixus, who kind of factors in as one 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.880 of his big co heads of state. I guess, and uh, 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:27.000 oh an a mouse as No, I think you had 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:28.960 it the first time. There was like an extra syllable 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.480 in there. Really, Yeah, but the the way you said 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.080 at the second time sounds better. Well, we'll just stick 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:39.760 to that. Uh. They would go around and raid uh 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:44.600