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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there.

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Speaker 1: It's just the two of us. So that's okay because

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Speaker 1: you're here, dear listener insert your first name after that,

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Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should Know. That's right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Stanley kuber condition m sort of. I went to go,

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Speaker 1: um watch that last night? Oh yeah, and then I

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Speaker 1: was like, wait, I think that's really long. So I

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Speaker 1: Pazz of Glory instead. What was that? Is that? The

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Speaker 1: one about Barry Lyndon? Now that was Barry Lindon. That's

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Speaker 1: great too, But if you're gunning for early Kubrick, I

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Speaker 1: would say, uh, Killer's Kiss if you want to go

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Speaker 1: super early. And then as of Glory, which is the

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Speaker 1: other one he did with Kirk Douglas, the World War

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Speaker 1: One trench warfare film. That's great, okay. And Barry Lyndon,

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Speaker 1: which is just a masterpiece, wasn't that Ryan O'Neill, Yeah, boy,

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Speaker 1: it's good. Yeah, he's in one of my favorite movies

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Speaker 1: of all time Paper movie. That's right, and one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite movies. The main event? What was that? It

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Speaker 1: was a rom com? He did as he played a

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Speaker 1: It was not great. I mean it was fine. It

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Speaker 1: was one of the seventies rom coms, but not one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite movies by any stretch. Speaking of rom coms,

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Speaker 1: but minus the rom part and just the calm, heavy

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Speaker 1: on the calm. Have you seen Eliza this Lessengers sketch

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Speaker 1: show on Netflix? No, it was very good that How

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Speaker 1: do I know that name? She's She's gotten pretty big

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Speaker 1: as a stand up in the last couple of years. Um.

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Speaker 1: She If you haven't discovered her yet, you're welcome. She's

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Speaker 1: I don't normally do. I don't think I recognize her. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: And then she just debuted a season of a sketch

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Speaker 1: to check that out. Ryan O'Neil's not in it yet,

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Speaker 1: but like I said, it's just one season. Uh, we're

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Speaker 1: on a shout out Live Science. By the way, we

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Speaker 1: used how Stuff Works article on Spartacus and this great

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Speaker 1: Live Science article on Spartacus, the real Spartacus, not Kirk Douglas.

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Speaker 1: I also read an article from a guy named Um

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Spartacus Kenneth P check c z e c H

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Speaker 1: article back in the nineties about Um Spartacus that was

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Speaker 1: very exhaustive, that was helpful. And then there's also a

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Speaker 1: historian named Barry Strauss who I read some like interviews

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Speaker 1: So the story of Spartacus, if you've watched this the

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Speaker 1: going to give you the real story of spartacus life,

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Speaker 1: which is that of a and the leader of an

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Speaker 1: uprising of slaves who said Rome We're not going to

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Speaker 1: That's right, We're not going to take it. And it's

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Speaker 1: the original title, I think. Um, and we we met

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Speaker 1: that guy. Oh, actually we passed that guy backstage on's

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Speaker 1: members right? What show was that? Whatever? I think it

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Speaker 1: and Jennifer, right, Jennifer and Alexis. Wow. Yes, remember when

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Speaker 1: remember the Jeff Probes Show. He was interviewing us and

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Speaker 1: he zoned out so hard I almost said, like, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: So when we left off, Chuck um Boba fett Head

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Speaker 1: important people, because they sent him with a few a

423
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: few Roman soldiers and said, hey, when you get to Vesuvius,

424
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: just recruit some nicals to to go fight this this

425
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: band of runaway slaves and be back by dinner time. Please. Yeah.

426
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: It was you know, I love the National Guard, not

427
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: knocking them, but it kind of reminded me of, you know,

428
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: sort of sending in the National Guard to take care

429
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: of something rather than the Marines storming the beach. It's

430
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: basically the story of John Rambo in First Blood. I

431
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: trust me, I thought of that more than what R

432
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: I P. Brian Dennehy. By the way, when like last week, what,

433
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: how did I not hear that? I think it's just

434
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: sort of been under the radar with everything going on.

435
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: Was it from coronavirus? No, just I think he was

436
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: like in his early eighties and just just passed away.

437
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: R I P. For sure he was good, But I definitely,

438
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: I definitely thought of Rambo a lot while I was

439
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: reading this. The difference is was that Spartacus had a

440
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: team um to aid in his uprising, and Rambo was

441
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: of course a one man army in a team if

442
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: you will. But at any rate, they didn't send the

443
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: best of the best because they're all busy. Glabor's little army.

444
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: They they said, you know what, We're not even gonna

445
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: attack Spartacus. We'll just block off the route up to Vesuvius.

446
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna pitch our tents, we're gonna hang out and

447
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: get drunk, and he's gonna starve to death and that's

448
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: kind of gonna be the end of it. So we think, yeah,

449
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: you said, Glabor glabors that praytor um. His name was

450
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: Claudius Glaber. He sounds like an inept kind of person

451
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: that you would send to take care of. I'll send

452
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: Glabor exactly. His name is just too close to Glaban,

453
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: I think so so Um Glaber said, he yeah, it's

454
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: exactly what you said. He posted a couple of guys

455
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: on the road to Vesuvius, the only road in or

456
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: out up the mountain. Um. And then the rest of

457
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: the group is at camp, and so um Spartacus in

458
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: his band are. They know that they can't get down

459
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: this road, but they're also not about to starve at

460
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: the hands of a guy named Glaber. So they actually

461
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: fashioned rope and rope ladder out of the vines that

462
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: are growing up on Vesuvius, and they climbed down the

463
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: mountain to a different spot, and they come up behind them.

464
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: The guys who are guarding the road, kill them, sneak

465
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: into the Roman camp, kill all of them while they're

466
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: bathing and sleeping, and have done two things. They just

467
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: wiped out the soldiers of a praetor a very high

468
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: elected official, and they just captured a Roman camp with

469
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: all of its supplies, all of its weapons, all of

470
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: its armory um. And these were really two really big

471
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: first strikes of fuel allow that and I will not.

472
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: And it was a really big deal because you know,

473
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: word gets around and for the first time slaves in

474
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: Italy we're thinking, Wow, there's actually someplace we could go.

475
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: It's not it's not like the in America where there

476
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: were slaves in the south mainly and they could escape

477
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: to the north. It was just like that all over Italy.

478
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: So they had no uh, they had nowhere to go.

479
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: They had no safe harbor, no quarter. If I'm allowed,

480
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: I will allow that as well. And they said, wow,

481
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: we got a place we can go. We can go

482
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: join up with this guy Spartacus. Um he's out there

483
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: sneaking up on on glabers and killing them while he's

484
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: taking a bath. And then like that sounds pretty good

485
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: to me. I want to get in on the fun. Yeah. Um.

486
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was this historian Irwin from

487
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: um Murray State or if it was part of the article,

488
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: but somebody says at some point um that and I'm sorry,

489
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: not Irwin, Aaron Irvine is the name of the historian,

490
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: but somebody says at some point that those slaves because

491
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: they had nowhere to go, like you were saying, but

492
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: also because of the way that slave uprisings were brutally

493
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: dealt with that they very frequently didn't even require supervision.

494
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: That they would Um that there were whole rural areas

495
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: and towns that Spartacus was moving around to um where

496
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: the slaves vastly outnumbered the freed people. And Um they

497
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: were able to sustain that disproportionate um population distribution because

498
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: the slaves in Rome had such little hope of any

499
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: different life than what they had. And so yeah, like

500
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: you're saying, Spartacus provided hope and something different, and Um,

501
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, his little ragtag band of slaves

502
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: and their slave uprising suddenly became a very large slave uprising.

503
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: And in a really short time they attracted something like

504
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: forty thousand slaves from these rural areas up around Vesuvius

505
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: and in northern Italy I think northeastern Italy. Um that

506
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: they would just run away and now they had a

507
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: place to go, I e. Spartacusses camp and they would

508
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: join up there and show up with like kitchen knives

509
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: and farm tools and stuff like that, and they would

510
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: be trained in combat. And now all of a sudden,

511
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: it goes from this ragtag band of gladiator slaves who

512
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: had escaped to something that looked a lot like a

513
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: actual rebellion. And that's what Rome started to think that

514
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe they're dealing with. Yeah, and I get the ideas

515
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: around this time that sparka spartacus becomes kind of an

516
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: idea um, even more so than an actual human being,

517
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: because you know, when the word is getting around, it's

518
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: not like the newspaper's head front page headlines or anything.

519
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: You get these whispers and you get these stories and uh,

520
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: the spark of hope among the slaves, and this idea

521
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: that there is this rebellion and he's a great boss.

522
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: He splits everything right down the middle, and he's not

523
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: some awful leader. He divides all the spoils equally, and

524
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: he's getting non slaves to join up. Because even if

525
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: you're like a you know, you might not be a slave,

526
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: but if you're a very poor farmhand or something, uh,

527
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: it might look appealing all of a sudden because you're

528
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: not part of the elite Roman kind of upper echelon class. Yeah,

529
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: so the idea that he was splitting the spoils with

530
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: people like that's huge, and apparently that stands up that um.

531
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: Basically all of the ancient sources agree like this guy

532
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: took all his plunder and distributed. He didn't keep it

533
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 1: fro himself. He didn't turn himself into a king UM.

534
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: And he was running around freeing slaves. And that you know,

535
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why he he did, like

536
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: you said, become a hero or an idea, and a

537
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: hero that's still to the state group's kind of latch onto.

538
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: So he's attracting more and more people. UM. One of

539
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: the things, one of the ugly truths about this is

540
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: that when they were going around to these small towns,

541
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: in these rural areas, freeing slaves, getting them to join

542
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: their ranks. UM, there was also a lot of plundering

543
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: going on, and they were not merciful with the slave

544
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: owners who own these big enormous um estates that they

545
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: were plundering. They would um engage in rape, they would

546
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: engage in torture, um, they would engage in murder. And

547
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: from what I saw, it wasn't Spartacus that was doing that,

548
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: that he actually commanded against that, but that his army

549
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: had a mind of its own in a lot of cases,

550
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: and that they would they would be pretty merciless and

551
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: brutal with them the freed people. Who who's stuff they

552
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: were taking? Yeah, I mean I'm sure they were like, no,

553
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: you're rape in pillage. That's what you do, right, That's

554
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: what That's how it is right now. Um, even in

555
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: the movie, Spartacus he uh he refuses to take part

556
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: in that. So there are a few things you know

557
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: that that Kubrick Um he didn't write the screenplay. That

558
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: was actually Dalton Trumbo, but he uh he he had

559
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: that in the movie. So there were bits of truth

560
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: throughout for sure. So, oh this is going on. Rome

561
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: finally is like, all right, we gotta really deal with

562
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: this guy. Can someone can someone please go kill Spartacus

563
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: for me? Right? Slabor glabor sucked so bad, you guys.

564
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: We gotta get a non glabor in there to take

565
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: care of business. And they did. They sent um Publius Varennius,

566
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: and he was another prator. So they're sending like pretty

567
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: important guys um along with their soldiers, and um Varennius.

568
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: He was almost nearly captured, which would have been enormous.

569
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: He was so close to being captured that I believe

570
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: Spartacus himself he stole the guy's horse. He got his

571
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: his horse and Varennius Publius, Publius, Varennius um. And that

572
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: was a huge black eye to Rome that like not

573
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: only as as this you know, band of runaway slaves.

574
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: You know it will like able to engage Rome in battle,

575
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: but he stole your horse and you're insignia and and

576
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: almost got your guy. That was a big deal. And

577
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: so all these these victories. With each victory, spartacus legend

578
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: just grows, and he's able to attract more and more people. Um.

579
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: I think within a year that UM historian Kenneth Check

580
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: says within a year, maybe a little more than a year,

581
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: there was as many, possibly as a hundred and twenty

582
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: five thousand freed slaves or slaves, escaped slaves and commoders

583
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: um who had joined spartacus army. A hundred and twenty

584
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: five thousand. And he started with seventy gladiators the year before. Yeah, seventy,

585
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: not seventy, just to reiterate, yeah, no, that's worth saying.

586
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: So spring of seventy two, b c uh, Spartacus has

587
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: these troops. Some of them stay in the south with

588
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: his buddy Crixus, And then he said the rest of

589
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: you come with me. We're the head towards the Alps

590
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: because it's lovely this time of year. And I think

591
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: at the time, who would they These guys have great names. Uh,

592
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Rome sent armies led by Lucius Gellius public Publicola and

593
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: Neus Cornelius Lentulus Claudianus. Those are great names. Wow. Those

594
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: guys were councils, so they were the highest elected officials

595
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: in Rome. Yell of as many as like twenty guys

596
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: put together like this is serious business at that at

597
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: this time to go take care of Spartacus. Yeah. I

598
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: think when he almost captured Varennius, that was that really

599
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: caught Rome's attention for the first time. Um. Unfortunately, these

600
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: two councils what were their names again, Chuck, let's just

601
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: call him public Coola and claude Anius. Okay, fine, Um,

602
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: they were no better equipped to fight uh Spartacus either.

603
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: I think by this time he had he hadn't come

604
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: close to people yet, but he was up to forty

605
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: thou and both of um, both of the yeah, peaches

606
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: in herb nice Um. They underestimated how many troops he'd had.

607
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: They also were unaware that he had wintered UM in

608
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: the I think the north of Italy and had spent

609
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: the winter stealing horses and building up a cavalry unit,

610
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: which they had no idea. He had this UM and

611
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: one other thing he put to good use. So remember

612
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: this guy's potentially a Roman army veteran from Thrace, which

613
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: means he's familiar with guerrilla warfare that the Thracians practiced

614
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: and conventional warfare which the Romans practiced. And he's like

615
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: commanding tens of thousands of troops to to great effect

616
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: built a cavalry. And he also so like some of

617
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: those commoners who joined up who weren't slaves, but they

618
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: were not well off and they wanted to fight the

619
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: fight the power, so they joined UM. They were usually

620
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: like herdsman or shepherds or something like that from local

621
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: areas who knew the areas really well. So he used

622
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: them as scouts and um peaches and herb had no

623
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: idea that this, again, this band of runaways slaves had

624
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: turned into an actual like legit army under the command

625
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: of somebody who knew what they were doing, and he

626
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: ate both of them alive. Yeah, well it actually was, UM.

627
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: It was kind of tough. Because Peaches went down there

628
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: to the south where Crixus was and killed him with

629
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the rebels. And then Herb came in

630
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: from the north of Spartacus, where he was headed toward

631
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: the Alps. Uh came you know, he was ahead of him,

632
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: so he came south from the north and he came in,

633
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: and Spartacus was basically trapped between these two armies that

634
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: had better equipment, better weaponry, better armor, more munitions and

635
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: food and water and everything and wine. And they had

636
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: no idea that this cavalry was waiting for him, that

637
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: he had been working on. It was kind of his

638
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: little Uh, kind of his little trojan horse in a way,

639
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: and they had never seen anything like it. And he

640
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: beat Peaches, I think, or was that Herb. Now am

641
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: all confused? He beat Herb. Okay, he beat Herb and

642
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: got all of the supplies that Herb's army had, and

643
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: then it was it was on in a big, big way.

644
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: So I misspoke. By this time, yes, he probably had

645
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: close to people in his army, but they had split

646
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: off because Crixus, who was one of the gladiators that

647
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, one of the original gladiators, he broke

648
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: out of gladiator school with and who basically co operated

649
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: the army with him. Um. He apparently wanted to split

650
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: off and take it straight to Rome, wanted to attack Rome.

651
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Him and Sparta Kisses whole thing was like, no, no, no,

652
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: let's go north to Thrace, out of Italy. We can

653
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: be we can build our army up even better there

654
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: and either just hang out in Thrace and be great

655
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: or maybe then we can come back to Italy. And

656
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: they had a disagreement, they had a falling out, um,

657
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: and they split up, and crix Has took thirty thousand men.

658
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: And like you said, I don't remember if it was

659
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: Peaches or Herb who got him, but the Crixus and

660
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: his men were killed, but simultaneously, even though Sparta kiss

661
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: later beat that both of those guys, he had just

662
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: lost thirty thousand of his troops, which is a pretty

663
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: pretty big troop reduction, especially basically overnight. Yeah, but he's

664
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: still won in the end. In that battle, he uh,

665
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: he fought very bravely. He rushed either Peaches or Herb,

666
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: broke them down, captured their supplies, and then we don't

667
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: know for sure if he defeated Herb or not. Or

668
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: if they just retreated, but at any rate, that was

669
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: sort of the end of them, and they were allowed

670
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: to go onto the Alps. Right, So you want to

671
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: take another break, Yeah, let's take our last break and

672
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: we'll we'll wind it up here with the last stand. Okay,

673
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: change to Chuck. So Sparta Kiss is not only now

674
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: beaten prators that the Romans sent, he's beaten councils in

675
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: their armies, and Rome is full lipped out. I don't

676
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: know if they knew that Crixus, who by the way,

677
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: was a celt which I find immensely interesting, but Crixus Um,

678
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew that he was coming

679
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: toward Rome and that they just narrowly avoided being attacked

680
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: by that contingent. But it was definitely on their mind

681
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: that Rome was left unprotected because remember, the best generals

682
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: and the best their best armies were in Spain and

683
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: Crete Um, and there was a really really angry group

684
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: of um impoverished and escaped slaves who were who had

685
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: assembled themselves into a pretty respectable army UM possibly coming

686
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: toward Rome. Yeah, and Rome was on thin ice at

687
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: this point. I mean, they were still super powerful, obviously,

688
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: but um, they make a good point in this article

689
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: that they kind of relied on the fact that everyone

690
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: thought they were great and was super scared of them,

691
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: and they had these big, scary armies. And once they

692
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: started getting these defeats, and once they started getting defeats,

693
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: especially at the hands of a former slave who was

694
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: leading this kind of rag tag team that was revolting

695
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: against them, there's a little chink in that armor. And

696
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Spartacus is about they're winning battles, and everyone hears about this,

697
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: and that's a big big deal to Rome. All of

698
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: a sudden, they seem like they're defeatable. Yeah, which if

699
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: you are, if your society includes slaves and the slaves

700
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: are kept in line by the idea that you were undefeatable,

701
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: that's right. And so they're there. They seem like they're defeatable.

702
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Now they're best armies in generals are away and they

703
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: couldn't really find anyone to really take care of Spartacus

704
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: until this guy stepped up. He was a wealthy prater

705
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: named Marcus Crassis, and he said, you know what, I've

706
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: got the dough and I'm a pretty brutal leader in

707
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: my own right. Maybe you've heard of me, and so

708
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finance this army and I'm gonna go kill

709
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: that guy. And so if there's a villain in this story,

710
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: it is Crassis. He was a terrible, terrible person, possibly

711
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: the richest person Rome has ever seen. Um. I read

712
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: somewhere that he he would go to places that had

713
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: caught fire with his own personal fire brigade and would

714
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: negotiate with the owner of the house or whatever um

715
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: to buy it. And if the if they would negotiate

716
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: at just an extremely cheap rate to sell their house

717
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: that was on fire, then Crassies or Crassis would have

718
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: his fire brigade put it out. If they didn't negotiate

719
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: or sell, then he would just leave with his fire

720
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: brigade and let it burn. Here's that kind of guys

721
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: is like, hey man, this place is on fire, and

722
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm offering to buy it from you. Right, it's a

723
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: fire sale. You should you should take this. Yeah. But

724
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: if they wouldn't, if they'd be like, no, this is

725
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: completely unacceptable and immoral, he'd be like, all right, see

726
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: you later, and his fire brigae would leave. That's just

727
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: not good stuff. That's the kind of thing that if

728
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: you do that people continue to talk about it in

729
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: a negative like two thousand years later on some dumb podcasts.

730
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: So Crassis, you also might recognize his name. He was

731
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: part of the first triumvirate with Um, Pompey and Caesar.

732
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: He was the third guy. Remember that name, so Um.

733
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: So Crassus steps up and he says, you know what,

734
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: my father got a triumph, which is basically like a

735
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: military parade for a great military victory. And I've always

736
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: been envious. I want mine. I'm gonna make mine the

737
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: defeat of Spartacus. I'm gonna go get them. I'm gonna

738
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: finance this army. I'm gonna go pick up some of

739
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: the other armies that have been defeated and kind of

740
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: left scattered around Italy and reassemble them. And there was

741
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: one in particular, I think it was um, the army

742
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: of the Praetor, who was almost captured Verennius. Some of

743
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: his people ran away, and Crassus got them together, I

744
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: believe five hundred people who had been accused of desertion

745
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: and running away during battle. And he brought out of

746
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: the old steamer trunk, an old technique for keeping your

747
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: troops in line. Called decimation chuck, which is a word

748
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: that we've misused for years on this podcast. But this

749
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: is the real deal that he was doing. Yeah, and

750
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we've been missusing it for years. I

751
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: think it's now part of a popular terminology, just not

752
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: necessarily reduced by ten. Okay, fair enough. But what he

753
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: did was he said, okay, all of you five break

754
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: up into fifty groups of ten, and in every group,

755
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: all ten of you draw lots. Whoever draws the shortest

756
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: lot gets executed. And he executed fifty out of five

757
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: hundred deserters in front of his troops to basically say, hey,

758
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: let's get that moral up everybody. This is what happens

759
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: to you if you don't fight valiantly. And that was

760
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: the kind of leader that he was. So he's a

761
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: real jerk in business, in a real jerk on the

762
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: battlefield too, even with his own troops, and a very

763
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: selfish lover from what I hear he really was. He'd

764
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: be like, well that's it for me, good luck to yourself.

765
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: So he had a real be in his bonnet to

766
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: get that victory parade. He goes and chases Spartacus all

767
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: over Italy and there was some infighting going on, which

768
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: is what can happen a lot of times in a rebellion,

769
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: and if you don't keep everyone's spirits up. So that

770
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of weakened his army a little bit. And so

771
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: in a last ditch effort, Spartacus said, you know what

772
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: we need to do is we need to go kill

773
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: Crassis in front of everybody. And that's that'll do the trick.

774
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: If everyone seas Crassis has gone, you cut off that head,

775
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: maybe another one will not grow up in its place. Uh.

776
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: And that didn't work out for Spartacus. He was actually

777
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: cut down in battle. His army was finally defeated. Uh.

778
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: They hunted down all six thousand of the survivors of

779
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: the army and crucified them. Uh. He was not himself

780
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: crucified like in the movie Spartacus. And there was never

781
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: that great moment in the movie that I'm Spartacus moment

782
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: that never really happened in real life. Unfortunately, Um, they

783
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: never found his body, which is sort of a a

784
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: sad end to this. Um to a leader who did

785
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: some pretty great things for a little while, but not

786
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: really though, because I read he was last seen he

787
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: was really close to Crassis. He was headed to Crasses

788
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: to kill him himself, and he I think killed two

789
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: centurions in hand to hand combat on his way to

790
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: Crasses before he was swarmed on like Hollywood style and

791
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: cut down by like just a mob of dudes who

792
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: overwhelmed them. Which is, it's not a sad end. No,

793
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: if you're living by the sword and dying by the sword,

794
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: that's the way to go for sure. Okay, I bet

795
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: you he would have preferred to kill Crasses. I'll give

796
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: you that. But if he was never faded to kill Crasses,

797
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: if that snake coiled on his head and fore told

798
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: that he would never kill Crasses, that's the way to go. Well.

799
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: In the end, Uh, he has gone. His rebellion is squashed,

800
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: but some good comes out of it. Rome kind of says,

801
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: you know what, this taught us a great lesson, which

802
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: is maybe we should listen to the lower class a

803
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: little bit more. It wasn't some huge sweeping reform change

804
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I don't want to like sugarcoat it,

805
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: but there were a number of reforms that were passed

806
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: that did strengthen the voice of the people as a whole,

807
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: and they had a little bit more say, in their

808
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: government because they didn't want another Spartacus to come along. Yeah.

809
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: And then over the years, like many thousands of years later,

810
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: like I said, he was kind of held up as

811
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: like this hero, this ideal, so like the abolitionist movement

812
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: in the United States held him up as a hero

813
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: because he was known to free slaves. That was how

814
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: he assembled his army. And he wasn't necessarily freeing slaves

815
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: for the ideal of ending slavery. He was freeing slaves

816
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: to help build up his army. Um, but I'm sure

817
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: there was a certain amount of like this is a

818
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: good thing that these slaves are no longer slaves when

819
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: they're you know with me that he must have entertained

820
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: at least. And then later on, like you said, Dalton

821
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: Trumbo wrote the script for Um, the nineteen sixty movie

822
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: directed by Kubrick on Spartacus, and Dalton Trumbo was blacklisted

823
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: from Hollywood because he was a communist or he wouldn't

824
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: name names I can't remember. And Dalton Trumbo wrote that

825
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: script based on a novel written by a guy named

826
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: Howard Fast who had written the novel in jail. Because

827
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: he wouldn't name names on the McCarthy hearings. UM, and

828
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: so Spartaca's kind of became like a hero of Marxists

829
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: because he freed slates. He overthrew the oppressors, but he

830
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: also took the oppressor's wealth and redistributed it among you know,

831
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: the lower classes, which Marxists are just bonkers for pretty

832
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: interesting stuff. Uh, there's plenty more about sparta kiss, gladiators,

833
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff. This is really thick stuff, and this

834
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: is stuff you should know. It's not what we do.

835
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: We've just kind of given overview. So if this floated

836
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: your boat at all, go look up Spartaca's start reading

837
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: on him and you will be fascinated. And since I

838
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: said that it's time for listener mail, I'm gonna call

839
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: this wastewater operator or a former now retired wastewater operators. Hey, guys,

840
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: just finished listening to the episode on wastewater treatment with

841
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: a critical ear. Having worked for over twenty years, is

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Speaker 1: both a w W lab analysts and operator. While I

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Speaker 1: understand you were aiming for the least knowledgeable common denominator

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Speaker 1: in your audience, I feel like you did a disservice

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Speaker 1: to all wastewater treatment plants and their employees by failing

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Speaker 1: to mention that every treatment plant in America must abide

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Speaker 1: by strict regulatory permits issued under the Clean Water Act

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Speaker 1: tailored to the needs of the of these specific facilities. Influent,

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Speaker 1: your words make it sound like we and operations made

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Speaker 1: our own decisions as to how clean the water, Uh,

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Speaker 1: how how clean is clean enough? And that cannot be

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Speaker 1: further from the truth. UM. I want to stop here

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Speaker 1: because I don't feel like we did that, did we?

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Speaker 1: We certainly didn't mean to. I don't think that we

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Speaker 1: were just like you know, it's up to text who's

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Speaker 1: running the levers to decide what's clean enough. If we did, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: we definitely don't think that. No, we didn't think that

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Speaker 1: at all. Uh. In my position as analysts, I perform

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Speaker 1: an average performed in average of thirty thousand standard laboratory

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Speaker 1: tests per year to maintain permit compliance and support operations.

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Speaker 1: That number increased dramatically when there are operational upsets, process changes,

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Speaker 1: influence variations, etcetera. In addition, operators collect and analyzed process

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Speaker 1: control samples several times per shift for the same reason. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think we knew that stuff was going on, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound defensive, but do this person

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Speaker 1: listen or just say, oh, I see this title. Here's

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Speaker 1: all the things are going to get wrong. Now I

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Speaker 1: think they listened. I wish to thank you for attempting

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Speaker 1: to educate the public on the vital role clean water

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Speaker 1: and sewage treatment play and the health and prosperity of

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Speaker 1: the United States. I firmly believe this is what truly

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Speaker 1: makes America great. You don't hear people saying they need

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Speaker 1: vaccinations and antibiotics to fend off water borne illness when

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Speaker 1: visiting the United States. Uh. Sorry to rant On, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time, Thanks for reading, and please put out

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Speaker 1: a big thank you to all wastewater treatment operators about

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Speaker 1: whom nobody is paying attention, but whom everyone needs. And

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Speaker 1: that is from uh. Anne Danielson, retired operator and analyst.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, and that's good stuff. And yes, agreed.

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Speaker 1: If everyone doesn't know that we need waste water treatment

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Speaker 1: people and they're not paying attention, so hats rop to

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Speaker 1: you and your colleagues from us. Agreed. Yes, I know

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Speaker 1: that there's a lot of work and analysis and testing,

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Speaker 1: and if we didn't hammer that home enough, then we

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Speaker 1: are now yeah, Well, if we missed the mark on something,

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Speaker 1: or you just wanted to add something, or just want

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, you guys nailed it, nailed it. We

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Speaker 1: love that You can get in touch with this via email,

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