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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Rich Barre. Let's talk about Harvey Kubernick. He's an American author,

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Speaker 2: journalist in music historian. From the mid seventies, he wrote

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Speaker 2: for music publications such as Melody Maker in the Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles Free Press. His articles, interviews and reviews has since

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Speaker 2: been published in multiple magazines and newspapers, and he is

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Speaker 2: the author of Get This, ten books on popular music,

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Speaker 2: and he keeps going for several decades. He also worked

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Speaker 2: as a director for MCA Records and as a record

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Speaker 2: producer too. We got a lot to talk about tonight.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of music. The music of our childhood

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Speaker 2: is back in full HD. It seems like right now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Harvey Kupernick. Harvey, nice to meet you, finally,

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Speaker 2: nice to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Really happy to be invited to be a guest.

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Speaker 2: I know we had to reschedule. I think we had

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Speaker 2: you scheduled for October and we weren't able to do that.

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Speaker 2: So I really appreciate your patients, and I'm really excited

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Speaker 2: to talk to you tonight and I was just thinking

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Speaker 2: about this as we were coming on sixty years ago,

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Speaker 2: six decades ago this weekend, the Beatles came to America,

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Speaker 2: and that was a little bit of a seismic shift.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure it Actually it was sixty one years, you know,

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Speaker 3: one years Okay, Yeah, But like this Sunday will be

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Speaker 3: the sixty first anniversary of their debut appearance on The

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Speaker 3: Ed Sullivan Show. You know, one thing, I mean, that

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Speaker 3: was a very monumental booking. But I think people, as

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Speaker 3: we look back, they already had a number one record

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Speaker 3: in the United States, if I want to hold your

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Speaker 3: hand when they arrived. But certainly the Ed Sullivan Show

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Speaker 3: appearance to tailed you know, their work out there, and

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Speaker 3: here we are, two thirds of a century later, still

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Speaker 3: mesmerized by them.

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Speaker 2: Take me back there a little bit, because I feel

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Speaker 2: like this is a little bit before my time, The

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Speaker 2: Ed Sullivan Show. But as I grow up listening to

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Speaker 2: bands and listening to shows like rock Line, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just about every band that came from the seventies and

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Speaker 2: eighties talked about that night watching The Ed Sullivan Show

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Speaker 2: and having something shift inside him. I mean, every band

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Speaker 2: I can think of Heart I mean, you know, Brian

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Speaker 2: guys that just said now I need to do that.

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Speaker 2: We're watching TV that night. How big was that show

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Speaker 2: back in the.

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Speaker 3: Day, you know, for many of us, and I wasn't

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Speaker 3: even a teenager yet. Ed Sullivan was our Sunday school teacher.

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Speaker 3: He had you know, musicians on, He had rock and

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Speaker 3: roll people on. He had Elvis Presley on in the fifties,

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Speaker 3: so it was sort of must must watch TV. But

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Speaker 3: when the Beatles arrived and my friend Stevie van Zaan,

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Speaker 3: who people know from the Sopranos or Being and Bruce

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Speaker 3: Springsteen band, he said that the day after the Beatles

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Speaker 3: were in in Sullivan, everybody had a band. It was

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's all kinds of theories about why it

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Speaker 3: impacted us. Yes, we were coming out of a very

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Speaker 3: dreary November, December and January, you know, late sixty three,

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Speaker 3: early sixty four, following the John F. Kennedy assassination. But

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Speaker 3: the world was changing and they kind of arrived at

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Speaker 3: a time where, you know, at least this country needed them,

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Speaker 3: and they'd already made big splashes in Europe and England

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Speaker 3: and France. But you know, if I have a theory

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Speaker 3: about why the influence continues, and now that I look back,

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Speaker 3: in a weird way, they were selling American music and

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Speaker 3: American rooted sounds back at us because there is influences

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Speaker 3: with motown. So they were kind of bringing us material

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Speaker 3: or a repertoire that we kind of already knew about.

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Speaker 3: But then it just got fortified visually by their clothing

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Speaker 3: and their hair and the big machine behind them as well.

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Speaker 2: There is something too, I think about the blues from

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Speaker 2: America when it goes through the British filter, that it

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Speaker 2: comes back a little different but pretty appealing.

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Speaker 3: Well, do is listen to the Rolling Stones? And so

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Speaker 3: they took it a little deeper and edgier, you know,

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Speaker 3: through the music of Sun Records. But still it's America

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Speaker 3: back through the lens of hardcore music fans, and we

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Speaker 2: Well, let's let me ask you about this. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five. I means, were on last weekend the Beatles

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Speaker 2: won a Grammy and the Rolling Stones won a Grammy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, there's many things to say about that,

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Speaker 3: But the fact is they're still relevant. The music from

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Speaker 3: the era is still relevant because it's multi generational now

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Speaker 3: it's so planted in everybody's environment that we get reminded.

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Speaker 3: And also with them, the Beatles and the Stones winning Grammys,

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Speaker 3: it was an interesting balance to the new music and

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Speaker 3: and I'm all for it. I'm just thankful for the

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Speaker 3: existence of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rolling Stones actually one best rock album of the

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Speaker 2: year for the Hackney Diamonds, and I thought, and all

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Speaker 2: those guys are in their eighties. I'm not exaggerating either, right,

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Speaker 2: they're in their eighties.

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Speaker 3: You know, in jazz there are some people that well

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Speaker 3: into their eighties and their nineties. And the blues people

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Speaker 3: that I was very fortunate to see and meet, whether

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Speaker 3: it be Muddy Waters or Bo Diddley or Chuck Berry,

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Speaker 3: we didn't really hear them in America, and I'm talking

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Speaker 3: in live settings until they were in their forties into

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Speaker 3: their fifties, and they worked well until their seventies or

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Speaker 3: mid eighties. So it's nothing. It's sort of unique. But again,

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Speaker 3: the Masters had already paved the way for this. But

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, when I first heard the Rolling

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Speaker 3: they'd still be touring last year in America? You know.

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Speaker 3: And I've met the Beatles and I've met the Stones,

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Speaker 3: and we've talked about longevity and durability and influence and

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Speaker 3: all of them, and especially the record producer manager Andrew

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Speaker 3: Rolling Stones to us. He has always told me when

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Speaker 3: rock and roll happened in Britain and they were coming

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Speaker 3: to America, people thought it was a career that was

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Speaker 3: going to be like a two or three year wingspan.

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Speaker 3: Nobody was thinking of you know, they were bands before

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Speaker 3: they were brands. But nobody thought the stuff would last

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Speaker 3: for decades or almost be past a half century mark.

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Speaker 3: It was inconceivable. I mean, even Ringo in the early

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Speaker 3: a hairdressing salon or something like that. I mean, nobody

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Speaker 2: That's a good point you bring up, because you know,

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Speaker 2: I go to music school, I'm a musician myself and

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Speaker 2: quick to point out, well, that's not supposed to be. Ever,

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Speaker 2: what it was the long careers the exception to the rule,

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Speaker 2: not the rule. You know, a lot more songs that

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Speaker 2: and then they're out right. The fact that you know,

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Speaker 2: Beatlestone's Eagles have gone on so long is the exception,

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Speaker 3: Most of the answer, it often comes down to the

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Speaker 3: material and the song. The song is key. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, even if it's DM music or instrumental music,

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Speaker 3: the sound, the sonic blast, the relationship the audience has

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Speaker 3: with the music is the key. Surely, the visual element,

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Speaker 3: the big marketing machinations and all that, but the song

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Speaker 3: sort of has to be good for it to even

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Speaker 3: hang for a while, or you won't hear it again,

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Speaker 3: or maybe you won't see the people playing the tune.

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Speaker 2: And what about the Beatles. I think is interesting too.

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Speaker 2: Somebody pointed this out to me over the last few weeks.

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Speaker 2: If you think about their body of work, it was

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Speaker 2: all within eight years. They were thirty. They weren't even

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Speaker 2: thirty yet when they stopped as the Beatles.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've written a lot about the Beatles, and

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Speaker 3: they arrived at a time and I think your listeners

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Speaker 3: and of course yourself, you would know this. They they

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Speaker 3: of branding, which is totally fine, their focus was very

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Speaker 3: regimented of record an album, record singles. You'll be going

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Speaker 3: focus was primarily on creating the music. And now many people,

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Speaker 3: lot of multitasking, but they were not businessmen exclusively. They

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Speaker 3: So I think the climate was a little different. Plus again,

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Speaker 3: new sort of agency for them, and it translated to us.

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Speaker 2: So totally different work ethic and a totally different minimized

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Speaker 2: versions of distractions. For like, now I don't think you

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Speaker 3: Right Well, you're talking to an author somehow. There is

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Speaker 3: twenty books where I looked at a couple of recent

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Speaker 3: the let's just say the meeting wasn't as long as it.

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Speaker 1: Should have been.

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Speaker 2: Well there's something to that there, like who can we

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Speaker 3: I like the way it's going organically, just the way

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Speaker 2: It seems like now you have to make if you're

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Speaker 2: if you're a band musician or whatever you are, there's

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Speaker 2: definitely a different way that you make your living. It's

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Speaker 2: not from selling records anymore.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, Listen, Historically, musicians made their money on the road,

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Speaker 3: especially jazz musicians and blues musicians and you know, pre

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Speaker 3: webin intranets and when people were selling vinyl, and this

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Speaker 3: Now people make their money on the road or streaming

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Speaker 3: or direct you know, to their to the consumer. It's

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Speaker 3: a whole different world and maybe a bit of a

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Speaker 3: more level playing field, but there is still the desire.

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Speaker 3: I mean, a couple of years ago, I remember billbro

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Speaker 3: reported vinyl outsold CDs for the first time. Yeah, yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: There's an aspect of vinyl. It's kind of a romantic expedition,

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Speaker 3: either if you're by yourself or with someone because you

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Speaker 3: are it doesn't have the portability of a CD or

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Speaker 3: listening to something on your phone or earbuds or something.

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Speaker 3: You are trapped sitting down listening to something on vinyl.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you have to flip over the vinyl where there's

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Speaker 3: another six songs. But we've seen, you know, vinyl makes

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Speaker 3: it still makes a very deep impression to people. And

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Speaker 3: it's one of the things that I really enjoy because

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Speaker 3: I'm pelted with a lot of new music, but I'm

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Speaker 3: also have access to a lot of re releases or

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Speaker 3: reissues by record labels like High Moon Records that put

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Speaker 3: out like deluxe remastered big you know albums from forty

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Speaker 3: to fifty to sixty years ago that were like neglected

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Speaker 3: or overlooked or never had proper distribution with like twenty

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Speaker 3: four and thirty six page booklets. And it's a deeper

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Speaker 3: the internet where you'll see the album cover or a

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Speaker 3: description of the music. But some people, record collectors and

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of people like having that

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Speaker 3: physical plastic in their hands.

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Speaker 2: Well, you own it. It's something that you own when

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Speaker 2: we were when we were kids, I mean, there weren't

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Speaker 2: as many things coming out like there is now, Like

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Speaker 2: where there's probably a couple of hundred releases a day,

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Speaker 2: there is only a few big albums that would come

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Speaker 2: out a month. But what I love about this generation.

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Speaker 2: In fact, as we speak week right now, my step

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Speaker 2: son is in a room next to me listening to records,

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Speaker 2: not empty three's, he's listening to records. My daughter works

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Speaker 2: at a record store, like the fourteen fifteen, sixteen year

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Speaker 2: olds like vinyl, and they're they're not necessarily always buying

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Speaker 2: new stuff. My daughter came home last week and she

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Speaker 2: had the new Gracie Abrams album, but she also had

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Speaker 2: Dolly Parton in her hand, and I think I think

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Speaker 2: she even had like a Jimmy Page album Outrider, like

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Speaker 2: a from led Zeppelin's. So she had all kinds of

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Speaker 2: crazy variety. And that's what I'm seeing with what's happening

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Speaker 2: now is of course you could go on Spotify or

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Speaker 2: you know, iHeartRadio and punch up whatever and it's right

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Speaker 2: at your fingertips, but owning it in your hand and

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Speaker 2: listening to it all the way through it, it's it's great.

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Speaker 2: That's what we used to do. We used to read

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Speaker 2: the liner notes when we were kids. Wow, that's how

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Speaker 2: we got so obsessed.

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Speaker 3: You're talking to a guy that you know, put himself

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Speaker 3: at least through college the first couple of years working

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Speaker 3: in a library, and I was just always drawn to

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Speaker 3: the liner notes and the back covers, who wrote the

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Speaker 3: songs and all that, But I also liked the words

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Speaker 3: was a sense of discovery and you felt you wanted

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Speaker 3: to take the journey with the record and I listen.

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people stared at the front

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Speaker 3: cover or rolled a joint on the front cover or

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Speaker 3: whatever it was, but the back cover had the deep secrets, and.

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Speaker 2: It's really all you knew about that artist because they

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Speaker 2: didn't have a running social media thing. There was some mystery,

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Speaker 2: like until they came to town and you saw them

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Speaker 2: when you went to go to see their concert. All

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Speaker 2: you knew before there was MTV was whatever they showed

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Speaker 2: you on that album or the inside of the album

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Speaker 2: rights that was your connection to your artists. There's something

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Speaker 2: special about that that I'm glad that it's kind of

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Speaker 2: making a bit of a resurgence.

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Speaker 3: Well. I just like the fact that we have choices.

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Speaker 3: We can listen to new indie groups like Man's Body,

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Speaker 3: or we can buy a big box seut of the

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Speaker 3: you know, the deluxe edition of Sergeant Pepper. I mean

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Speaker 3: later this year is the sixtieth anniversary of the Beatles

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Speaker 3: Rubber Soul. There'll probably be some hullabaloo about that, maybe

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Speaker 3: a re reissue or re release, maybe some bonus tracks.

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Speaker 3: We want more. We also when I see we, all

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Speaker 3: of us, we're so invested in this music as a

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Speaker 3: sometimes as a survival situation, confidence, you know, companionship, that

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Speaker 3: we also know a lot about the music business now,

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Speaker 3: the industry now then we knew ten and twenty and

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Speaker 3: thirty years ago.

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