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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, and is a Nascard Team All Star weekend

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. John middlecoff

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Speaker 1: In again today, Jmack back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: So you hear this all the time, and I want

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Speaker 1: to start today with something that's been true for a

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Speaker 1: long time. The NFL is called a copycat lead because

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Speaker 1: coaches copy other coaches schemes.

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Speaker 2: It's not about the players.

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Speaker 1: That's why half the league runs Kyle Shanahan's offense, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of defensive teams can run a two shell

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Speaker 1: the high shell stuff. Now everybody wants to run that

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Speaker 1: and they're taking away big plays.

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Speaker 2: It's called the copycat league.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at one point in the NFL, teams with

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Speaker 1: good quarterbacks were piking the ball to running backs for

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Speaker 1: about a ten game stretch. The wildcat offense was a thing.

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Speaker 1: Absurd as that sounds, the NBA is different. The NBA

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Speaker 1: is a follow the leader league. It's not about schemes.

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Speaker 1: Nobody copied Phil Jackson's great triangle offense. Ever, It's about

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Speaker 1: is your star committed to defense yours?

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Speaker 2: Does your star care?

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Speaker 1: So for the last seven years, the All Star Game stunk,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it is the best players in

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Speaker 1: the NBA have become all international, and until Wemby yesterday,

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Speaker 1: none of them care about the All Star Game. Jokis

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Speaker 1: didn't care, Luca didn't care. They care about playing for

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Speaker 1: their country, which is awesome, and they care about winning championships.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. But as the league has.

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Speaker 1: Gotten more international, the best players are seemingly all international.

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Speaker 2: I don't care as.

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Speaker 1: Much about the All Star I mean, Yokic doesn't care

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean he just mocks it. Luga didn't care.

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Speaker 1: So you know who cared about the All Star Game?

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant in his prime, he'd humiliate you, he'd go

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Speaker 1: after you, he'd trash talk you. He trash talk Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Lebron cared about it. So when Kobe's prime, the All

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Speaker 1: Star Game is pretty good, and Kevin Garnet's prime, well,

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Speaker 1: the All Star Game is pretty good because those guys

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Speaker 1: cared about it. I've been saying this for years. The

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Speaker 1: Patriot Way was nonsense. The Patriot Way was tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: The minute he left, the Patriot Way disappeared because Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady allowed Belichick to coach him hard. The reason the

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Speaker 1: Spurs were great and so great defensively wasn't just Greg Popovich.

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Speaker 1: It was that Tim Duncan played defense, practiced hard, played hurt.

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Speaker 1: If Carmelo Anthony's drafted by the Spurs, they may win titles.

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Speaker 1: They're not playing that level of defense. I mean Mello's teams.

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Speaker 1: Mellow was an offensive guy. Barkley was more of an

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Speaker 1: offensive guy, didn't practice hard. Well, then that's the culture.

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Speaker 1: The star player in professional basketball leads the culture. People

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Speaker 1: talk about the Miami Heat culture, it's d Wade. D

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Speaker 1: Wade was an impeccable shape, workout, lifting weights every day,

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Speaker 2: They got all the titles, right. Okay, So this.

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Speaker 1: All Star Game, everybody's talking about, let's change the format,

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Speaker 1: It almost had an NBA feel to it, a dunkin feel,

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Speaker 1: In this mythology which is just absolutely ridiculous, that the

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Speaker 1: Here's what Bryce Harper I love. Bryce Harper said about

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 5: I mean they pay them money, they spend the money.

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Speaker 1: They do it the right way.

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Speaker 5: They understand what it takes to be the best team

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Speaker 1: And this is a guy whose team is getting beat

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. So, and I've said this for years as

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks with Dirt Noviski. It was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: They both make eight hundred million dollars in revenue a year.

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers just spending on their players. It's like I

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Speaker 1: never understand these people that buy a house and they

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Speaker 1: bad plumbing and bad wiring and all that white paint

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Speaker 1: Buy a house over the next two or two years.

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Speaker 1: infrastructure and the foundation. All the Dodgers really do. And yes,

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Speaker 1: they make a lot more money than other teams, not

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Speaker 1: Red Sox decided profit was number one. The Dodgers decided

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Speaker 1: winning is number one. And I mean, look at Netflix.

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Speaker 1: In the first ten years, they were losing money. The

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Speaker 1: But Netflix was isn't just about profits, that wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: in baseball and class, the Dodgers pay their announcers a lot.

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Speaker 1: because it was the Dodgers. We're going to be classy,

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Speaker 1: It's not just winning World Series titles, because for about

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. It now plays for the podres the Dodgers rivalry, says,

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I think every team should be doing it.

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Speaker 4: You know, they've figured out a way to do it

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Speaker 3: Honestly, so I think every team, every every team has

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Speaker 4: So you know, I hope, you know, all thirty teams

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Speaker 1: For the record, the Dodgers valuation increased like twenty to

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Speaker 1: twenty five percent last year alone. Why because they want

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Speaker 1: to get They've done the Netflix. We're not just sitting

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Speaker 1: here looking about profits and handling out dividend checks. We

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Speaker 1: are creating a massive brand and we are building an

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Speaker 1: when you think of winning classy baseball thirty years from now,

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Speaker 1: They're just saying that because they want to get paid now.

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza, who will be the number one pick of

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. And we did this when Andrew Luck came out,

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Speaker 2: I think he's really good.

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Speaker 1: I think he's better than all the scoucher tell me

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Speaker 1: Steff and he's not very athletic, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: I'm not rigid. I'm going to listen to criticisms. I

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Speaker 1: this one feels legitimate. There's an NFL analyst who calls

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Speaker 1: something pressure to sack rate and how many negative plays

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Speaker 1: And if you look at last year in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Shader Sanders and cam Ward okay, and he has Mendoza's

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Speaker 1: So I look at Caleb Williams his first year hit

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Speaker 1: Because it's code stunk. So I don't worry about Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: I worry about the Raiders as his parent in this league,

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Speaker 1: I have a Mendoza to the Raiders issue. You just

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Speaker 2: The parent the kid is limited.

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Speaker 1: You've all seen this before when you were a kid

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Speaker 1: So as good as the quarterback, get Trevor Lawrence, until

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I love this guy. Okay, So who picks

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Speaker 1: you matters a lot. I think it's an interesting red flag.

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Speaker 1: You know, look at a lot of the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, but there is. Is it just a coincidence

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Speaker 1: that Caleb Williams suddenly is the leading candidate next year

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Speaker 1: because here's the thing. Caleb may have struggled, but Caleb's

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Speaker 7: I had it Caleb, Drake, Jayden Daniels, all three of

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Speaker 7: those guys would carry a higher grade than Mendoza. But

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Speaker 7: he's a little more robotic, is the way I would

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Speaker 1: But as analyst says, Mendoza's propensity to take negative plays,

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Speaker 1: didn't really know what he was going to be. Mendoz.

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Speaker 1: I feel much more positively optimistically about. But it's something

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Speaker 1: that's a red flag that's worth listening to.

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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff with the news.

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Speaker 4: No, no, turn on the news.

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Speaker 6: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Colin, we have some breaking news.

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Speaker 8: The future Hall of Famer Tyreek Hill has been released

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Speaker 8: by the Miami Dolphins. Tyreek now becomes an unrestricted free

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Speaker 4: But here's the problem.

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Speaker 8: If you forgot, he dislocated his knee and tore his

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Speaker 4: About a week ago. So the Dolphins save.

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Speaker 8: A bunch of money. Tyreek's status for twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: Well, I think he's a great talent. I don't know

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Speaker 1: But it's I've never thought the Miami architecture. John made

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Speaker 2: I think moving off him is the right move.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think two things can be true.

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Speaker 8: He was a winning player because they won a Super

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Speaker 8: But when they pivoted and traded for him, they kind

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Speaker 8: So Miami it felt like, was a little desperate when

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Speaker 8: in terms of big wins in the playoffs. Ye here's

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Speaker 8: another story that the just won't go away, Big Ben

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Speaker 8: and their time together in Pittsburgh. Well, another Steelers legend

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Speaker 4: He's taking Instagram to defend his quarterback.

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Speaker 8: He said, it's unbelievable to hate I'm seeing from people

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Speaker 4: You know, get away from it.

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Speaker 8: If you're against Big Ben, bleep, you you're against me.

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Speaker 4: Clout is a disease.

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Speaker 8: One thing's pretty clear, Tomlin walking away from this situation.

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Speaker 8: A lot of noise around the Steelers, don't how about you, Colin.

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Speaker 8: I know a lot of people criticize the McCarthy hire.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Well, it also shows you there was a divide with

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Speaker 1: But Tomlin's out of the building. He didn't have the power,

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Speaker 1: So what Pouncy's saying is.

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Speaker 1: Then there's these other guys saying Joey Parter Sr. Saying

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Speaker 8: I also think quarterbacks, not every guy is Tom Brady,

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Speaker 8: Last, but not least, when John Harbaugh took over the

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Speaker 8: New York Giants, there were a lot of questions about

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Speaker 8: him and his future relationship with the GM Joe Shane

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Speaker 8: and how would it work.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 8: Shane even went as far to say it doesn't matter

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Speaker 8: in terms of who has the power. Well reports indicate

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Speaker 8: that Shane has had He's seen a shrinking role when

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Speaker 8: it comes to power, and Harbaugh is basically handling all

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Speaker 8: the scouting.

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Speaker 4: What's your thoughts on one takeaway I.

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Speaker 8: Have with the Giants is they've always been a general

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Speaker 8: manager run operation and the coach ran It was a

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Speaker 8: big change. There was a story I read this weekend

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Speaker 8: that had a big sticking point for John Harbaugh was

446
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Speaker 8: I need to go directly to the owner, right, That's

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Speaker 8: who I answer to.

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Speaker 4: I don't answer to the general manager, which makes sense.

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Speaker 8: Here's the thing though, when Andy Reid went to Kansas City,

450
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Speaker 8: he said, I don't want anything to do with the players.

451
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Speaker 8: I want a GM to run that part of it.

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Speaker 8: Harbaugh has always had Ozzie Newsom and Eric Acosta. I

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Speaker 8: do think sometimes it can get a little out of

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Speaker 8: whack when the coach has too much power. And let's

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Speaker 8: face it, Joe Shane hasn't done much to deserve the power.

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Speaker 8: So I understand John Harbaugh going I want to be

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Speaker 8: the boss. I do think that's when you can make

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Speaker 8: some poor decisions. Though, When a head coach, especially a

459
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Speaker 8: guy sixty three years old, he sends a hundred million

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Speaker 8: dollar contract, you can make some decisions that are living

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Speaker 8: more week to week than the big picture decisions that

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Speaker 8: general managers there to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a handful of coaches who are

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Speaker 1: good with personnel.

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Speaker 2: Sean Payn's pretty good with it. He has a system.

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Speaker 1: Guys fit in, but they're more often than not even

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Speaker 1: the very good coaches. I remember when Holmgren was in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Mike's super smart, great coach when he had a lot

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Speaker 1: of power up there. I didn't like his draft picks

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Speaker 1: at all, and they had some guys that missed. It

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Speaker 1: was like, I mean, Bill Belichick college personnel not good.

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Speaker 1: Last six drafts, seven drafts when he was one of

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Speaker 1: the whole operation during the draft. Belichick couldn't draft offensive

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Speaker 1: player skill players.

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Speaker 2: He was brutal. So yeah, John Middlekoff.

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Speaker 6: With the News, Well that's the news, and thanks for

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Speaker 6: stopping by the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: So generally, if you limit pathways for people to make

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Speaker 1: a really good living, they're going to do what they

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Speaker 1: have to do. Their kids, build their business. You know,

481
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Speaker 1: you find cultures that you get a lot of tax sheeting.

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Speaker 1: It's often where there's a lot of regulations. Europe's got

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Speaker 1: some of this grease.

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Speaker 2: For years.

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Speaker 1: They had to use Google maps to figure out who

486
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Speaker 1: had nice homes and nice pools because there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of people in that culture that weren't paying their taxes.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of regulation. Europe's always had a

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Speaker 1: lot of that. And so the reality is the NBA

490
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Speaker 1: is really bummed out about tanking. Well, the NBA used

491
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Speaker 1: to be a transactional league. You could go trade for KD.

492
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Speaker 1: You could go buy Shack and make a huge trade.

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver didn't like that. He thought the league was

494
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Speaker 1: getting top heavy. And I like Adam Silver. But Adam

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Speaker 1: Silver decided We're going to be a draft and develop league.

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Speaker 1: That's more fair to the little guy. Okay, but you've

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Speaker 1: you've cut off. It's a much harder cap. Now. Used

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Speaker 1: to be a soft cap. You could, you know, pay

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Speaker 1: a luxury tax. In San Francisco, Joe lakeb as kind

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Speaker 1: of a soft cap you so you could draft her

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Speaker 1: and develop, or you could go trade for and make

502
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Speaker 1: big swings. At Adam Silver's NBA, it's a hard cap.

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Speaker 1: The way to go from awful to great is the tank.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Utah is tanking.

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Speaker 1: They're going to get probably one of the top three

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Speaker 1: picks with the current roster. They have watch out for

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Speaker 1: the Jazz next year. By the way, the Spurs for

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Speaker 1: eight years have been in a rebuild. The first four

509
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Speaker 1: or five, you know, after like Duncan Kawhi, it was

510
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Speaker 1: like Damar DeRozan, we'll do this ethically, and they were

511
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Speaker 1: absolutely uninspiring and nobody watched.

512
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Speaker 2: And then they.

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Speaker 1: Decided about three years ago in San Antonio, let's tank

514
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Speaker 1: and they got Stefan Castle and Wemby. Now they're great

515
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Speaker 1: because that's the pathway to be great. Detroit for years

516
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Speaker 1: they were going to rebuild forever and then they kind

517
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Speaker 1: of tanked. They got Kid Cunningham and nowther the number

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Speaker 1: one seed in the East. Now not everybody tanks Oklahoma City,

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Speaker 1: Sam Presty. They remained viable, made a couple of big deals,

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Speaker 1: like they got s the Clippers. But there's just not

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Speaker 1: that many pathways. It's a harder cap, there's fewer loopholes.

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Speaker 1: There's massive penalties now all these aprons, so all these

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Speaker 1: teams are like it's different in the NFL. Coaching is

524
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Speaker 1: so valuable in the NFL. The Bears can go get

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, the Patriots can go get Mike Frabel, the

526
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Speaker 1: Broncos can get Sean Payton.

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Speaker 2: The next year, you're a different team. Two teams.

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Speaker 1: Last year, the Jags and the Patriots tripled their wins.

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Speaker 1: A couple teams, the Bears and the Niners doubled their

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Speaker 1: wins the year before was the Commanders. That happens all

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Speaker 1: the time. That happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: In the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'm on a four year streak where I've picked two

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Speaker 1: teams every year to double their win totaler more, I've

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Speaker 1: gone like eight for eight next year to the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants and probably Tennessee if you get the right coach.

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Speaker 1: But that's because football the coach collegeer pro has so

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Speaker 1: much influence over the schemes. But in the basketball, Eric

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Speaker 1: Spolster's not winning a lot. Now, why you know the

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Speaker 1: guys can't make big trades pat Riley and Spolster. Well,

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warrior Steve Kerr is brilliant, right, the team's terrible. Why, well,

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Speaker 1: you can't make trades. It's very, very difficult. So the

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Speaker 1: NFL makes trading very easy, and therefore it's the League

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Speaker 1: of hope you can go from. I mean, the Washington

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Speaker 1: Wizards have been unwatchable for how many years? Been terrible forever,

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Speaker 1: Bulls have been mediocre forever. So I will say this.

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Speaker 1: I say that I'm pro tanking, but what I'm pro

548
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Speaker 1: is the ability to get great.

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Speaker 2: And how do you go from not good at all

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Speaker 2: to great?

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Speaker 1: Spurs get Wembyan Stefan Capel, Castle Pistons.

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Speaker 2: Get Day Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: So don't be shocked if all these super smart gms

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Speaker 1: around the league and owners they're.

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Speaker 2: Like, let's tank. We'll pay the fines. That's glove compartment money.

556
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Speaker 2: They don't care well, gladly write the checks.

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Speaker 1: Last year's draft and this year's draft are stacked. You

558
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: got to get a top five pick. Adam Silver addressing

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Speaker 1: the tanking problem.

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Speaker 2: The league is eighty years old.

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Speaker 9: It's time to take a fresh look at this and

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Speaker 9: to see whether that's an iniquated way of going about

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Speaker 9: doing it. We got to look at some fresh thinking here.

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Speaker 9: I mean, what we're doing, what we're seeing right now

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Speaker 9: is not working, There's no question about it. Are we

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Speaker 9: seeing behavior that is worse this year than we've seen

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Speaker 9: in recent memory? Yes, is my view.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you know again, like I started this

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Speaker 1: by saying, if I mean, if you tell I don't

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Speaker 1: believe in crime, I don't commit a lot of crime.

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Speaker 1: But if I didn't have a job and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: make money and I had to feed my kids, I'd

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Speaker 1: probably consider it. That would be the only pathway to

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Speaker 1: feed my kids.

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Speaker 2: Right. I would get that.

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Speaker 1: I hope I am never there, but I would get

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Speaker 1: that the only pathway to go from unwatchable to great

578
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Speaker 1: is currently tanking. So the league has made it so

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Speaker 1: difficult with all these aprons to access quality players.

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Speaker 2: You know, so you're I mean, I own a team,

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Speaker 2: I run a team. How else can I do it?

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Speaker 2: You tell me?

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Speaker 1: And so, I, like Adam Silver, I think it is

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Speaker 1: time to come up with different ways.

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Speaker 2: Here's more, Adam Silver.

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Speaker 9: If you step back and the fundamental theory behind a

587
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Speaker 9: draft is to help your worst performing teams restock and

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Speaker 9: be able to compete.

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Speaker 4: The issue is if.

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Speaker 9: Teams are manipulating their performance in order to get higher

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Speaker 9: draft picks, even in a lottery, then the question becomes,

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Speaker 9: even if teams were rewarded for draft picks purely according

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Speaker 9: to predicted odds of the lottery, are they the worst

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Speaker 9: performing teams. So it's a bit of a conundrum.

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Speaker 1: Yes it is, and my bottom line would be stop

596
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Speaker 1: making it so hard to trade for players. NFL makes

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Speaker 1: it easy. The NFL, you can go from terrible to

598
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Speaker 1: writ the Super Bowl in one year. A coaching matters

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Speaker 1: more in football. Get the right coach Ben Johnson, Brabil,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Liam Cohen.

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Speaker 2: Things change fast.

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Speaker 1: But the second thing is, you know you ever notice

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Speaker 1: in the NFL?

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Speaker 2: John you know this? You ever notice this In the.

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Speaker 1: NFL, everybody kind of just the Eagles just figure out

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Speaker 1: a way to work the cap, like everybody always have

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Speaker 1: available money. It's like it used to be the NFL

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Speaker 1: felt like it had a hard cap. Everybody just kicks

609
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Speaker 1: stuff down the road. In the NFL, if you want

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Speaker 1: a player, you find a player, you can get a player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are zillion dollars over the cap.

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Speaker 1: They'll figure out if they want to get ways. Jerry

613
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Speaker 1: Jones could do it. In the NBA now it's really hard.

614
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: So it's like, all right, I own a team, I

615
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: run a team. I just always feel like in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: the cap it's kind of squishy, can't hear, John?

617
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Speaker 2: Did you have your mic on?

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Speaker 8: They made it worse Colin when they waited the lottery,

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Speaker 8: So if you were worse, you had a better chance.

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Speaker 8: When it was equal the top ten twelve teams or whatever,

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Speaker 8: everyone like you weren't as incentivized to be as bad

622
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Speaker 8: as the Jazz are. But the Jazz are incentivized to

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00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 8: be the worst, to give themselves the best possible chance

624
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 8: with the most amount of the ping pong balls, because

625
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Speaker 8: you guarantee yourself a top I think it's a four

626
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Speaker 8: pick if you have the worst record, where before you

627
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 8: go from ten to one no different than go to

628
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Speaker 8: three to one. And I think that's got out of

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Speaker 8: whack because, let's face it, the NFL, you can't really

630
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 8: play fifty percent, right, If you're gonna play a game,

631
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Speaker 8: you gotta try. In basketball, you can play pickup and

632
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 8: not try you, let alone these NBA guys.

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Speaker 4: So I think Adam Silver is a problem on his

634
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: hands and there's no east the answer to fix it.

635
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know.

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00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: I do think the playoffs will be really, really good,

637
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: but I you know, and you've only got two rounds.

638
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: So the bottom line is in the NFL you can

639
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: you can manipulate it and get twelve or thirteen picks

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00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: if you make some trades. I mean, they got con

641
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: compensatory picks. In the NBA, I've seen teams with eleven

642
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: and twelve picks. You know, the NBA, you could say

643
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: to yourself, we're going to take away draft picks. Well,

644
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: if you only get two a year and you take

645
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: away one, you're taking away fifty percent of my draft picks.

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Speaker 1: What am I gonna do?

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Speaker 8: The other problem, Colin is we've seen teams recently tank

648
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Speaker 8: and then it not work in their favorite the Wizards

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Speaker 8: last year, the Nets. So you just have this product

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Speaker 8: potentially for years on end, which is just horrendous for

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Speaker 8: individual teams, and they never get a top pick and

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Speaker 8: they never fix their problems.

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Speaker 1: Yep, good stuff, all right, coming up top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Colin right, Colin wrong. Also, it's pretty clear what is

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Speaker 1: happening with smaller quarterbacks in the league, and UCLA's basketball

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Speaker 1: coach takes a shot in the right direction.

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Speaker 6: Next, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 8: Sunday on Fox, the NASCAR Cup Series heads to Atlanta.

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Speaker 8: coverage begins at two Eastern with the green flag at three,

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Speaker 8: only on Fox.

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Speaker 2: So I said this earlier.

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Speaker 1: So Bryce Harper, who competes against the Dodgers, and Manny Machado,

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Speaker 1: the former Dodger who now plays for the rival Podres,

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Speaker 1: both came out this weekend and said, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers are great for baseball.

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Speaker 2: They spend money on the roster.

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Speaker 1: So I know everybody can say, well, course colin players

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Speaker 1: are for that.

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Speaker 2: It's not just players.

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Speaker 1: Now. Owner Steve Cohen of the Mets also admires what

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers are doing.

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Speaker 8: Listen, they're formidable, right, I mean they have the ability

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Speaker 8: to spend, so do I. By the way, Okay, and.

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Speaker 4: You know they built a great team.

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Speaker 2: But I think we've built a great.

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Speaker 8: Team, and I think we're going to be really competitive.

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Speaker 5: This year and the goals to meet him somewhere along

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Speaker 5: the way in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So a rival owner have no problem with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: They're not ruining baseball. Rival players, even one that used

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Speaker 1: to be a former Dodger, they let him go to

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Speaker 1: San Diego. He's like, yeah, I think they're doing great

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Speaker 1: for baseball. Baseball teams make a lot of money. They

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Speaker 1: have eighty two home games, rady one home games. All right,

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Speaker 1: baseball team's doing fine. You gotta spend the money and

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Speaker 1: not just worry about profits. The Red Sox started worrying

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Speaker 1: a lot about profits and let Molky bets go. Dodgers

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Speaker 1: didn't take hookie bets from the Pirates, the Mariners of

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Speaker 1: the A's. It took them. Freddie Freeman was a brave.

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Speaker 1: The Atlanta Braves didn't want to pay him. Dodgers said, okay,

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Speaker 1: we will. Braves are a very well capitalized organization.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: If you're ever in the South, SEC football hats and

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves hats. It's everywhere, hugely popular franchise. So you know,

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Speaker 1: this just goes back to something I've been preaching and

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Speaker 1: let me throw this. I have another theory on this.

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Speaker 1: So obviously sports ratings are going up because of the

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Speaker 1: new rating system. Olympics World Cup football has an advantage.

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Speaker 1: It's once a week, and as we're a busier, more

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Speaker 1: distracted a society, it's easier to sell people on an

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Speaker 1: every four year event the Olympics of the World Cup,

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Speaker 1: or like one game a week. But in baseball, hockey

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Speaker 1: and basketball, where you have long seasons and a more

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Speaker 1: distracted populous than you did fifteen twenty years ago, the

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Speaker 1: tiktoks and the instagrams and all the streaming, the one

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Speaker 1: sport that isn't losing sleep on a dynasty is baseball

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Speaker 1: and what do you know, They're having a renaissance in

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Speaker 1: ratings and attendance. So I would argue what Adam Silver

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Speaker 1: is doing does not work. In this day and age,

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Speaker 1: we have something called attention economy. There's literally an attention economy.

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Speaker 1: You can make millions of dollars if you're an individual,

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Speaker 1: or billions as a company getting attention. Well, it's harder

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Speaker 1: to get attention. There's more rivals, more platforms. People are

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Speaker 1: more distracted. So baseball doesn't really care as it's having

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Speaker 1: a renaissance about everybody can win. Baseball is like now Yankees, Mats, Astros, Cubs, Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: padres as about seven or eight franchise. They's got more money,

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Speaker 1: they're having a ratings renaissance. They're having an intention than

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Speaker 1: it's renaissance. I mean, I would argue NASCAR would be

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Speaker 1: better served if Michael Jordan's team won fifty straight races. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I mean that was the last time, Oh, Michael Jordan's

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Speaker 1: team in a more distracted era. Dynasties are incredibly valuable,

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Speaker 1: incredibly valuable. Parody is rough. Hockey loves parody. How's that

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Speaker 1: working out for you? NBA loves parody. You can't make trades.

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Speaker 1: You go from bad to bad to bad unless you tink.

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Speaker 1: So just throwing it out there as everybody said, the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are ruining baseball. We have an owner and multiple

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Speaker 1: rival players saying no, they're not. They got a great team,

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Speaker 1: fun to watch play well.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I had dinner not long ago with the Cubs owners

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Speaker 1: Tom Ricketts. His concern is creating more revenue so we

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Speaker 1: can get more good players. He was an admiration of

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Speaker 1: what the Dodgers were doing. He's like, they're, well, they

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Speaker 1: don't waste money. They make a lot of it, but

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Speaker 1: they don't waste any of it. Albert Brears coming up,

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Speaker 1: I saw this, so Tyreek Hill Dolphins are moving off him.

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Speaker 1: They're getting very close to a decision on Tua. I

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Speaker 1: do think it's interesting. It's possible the Dolphins will move

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Speaker 1: off Tua and Arizona will move off Kyler Murray. And

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Speaker 1: can we now definitively say Russell Wilson got a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys drafted that were undersized. What's happening with all

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Speaker 1: these undersized guys. Tua's hurt, Kyler's hurt, Bryce Young hurt,

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Speaker 1: brought Purty hurt. Previous two years, Jalen Hurts was banged up.

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Speaker 1: I look at Tua and Kyler Murray and by the way,

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Speaker 1: Dolphins still owe toa a lot of money, and they

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Speaker 1: may still let him go. I'd keep him. Arizona still

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Speaker 1: owes Kyler Murray a lot of money. I mean, I'd

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Speaker 1: probably let him go because of the owner player relationship

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Speaker 1: feels toxic. But I think, can we definitively say now

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Speaker 1: go look at the quarterbacks smaller quarterbacks. There was a cycle,

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Speaker 1: and again it's a kind of a copycat league. Here's

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Speaker 1: the final four quarterbacks playing in the NFL this year six'

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Speaker 1: Five Drake, may six' Three, sam darnold Sixty Four matt

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Speaker 1: stafford and six to Two.

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Speaker 2: Bow knicks.

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Speaker 1: And, people, Say Oh caleb williams only six. To One

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Speaker 1: caleb williams has six. Six horsepower he's arguably got the

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Speaker 1: best arm Along With josh allen in, the league and

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Speaker 1: his horse power is of a six foot. Five GUY

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Speaker 1: so i can live with six foot one or six

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Speaker 1: foot and a Half With. Caleb WILLIAMS his v eight

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Speaker 1: engine is the best in the sport, right now alongside

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Speaker 1: or even Better Than josh allen in terms, of power athletic.

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Speaker 1: Ability arm but we had this kind of Cycle Of

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Speaker 1: russell wilson for, a decade really good and, Everybody's like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah this is that we can do it with.

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Speaker 2: Small guys think.

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Speaker 1: About This, philip rivers who's six' five and two, fifty

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Speaker 1: five plus comes back to the league.

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Speaker 2: On the couch.

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Speaker 1: For four years he was the thirty second most athletic

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback. When he laughed comes back heavier and, out

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Speaker 1: of shape and yet can.

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Speaker 2: Move the chains big strong quarterbacks work